assassination

[iron carbon]

I'm painting rooms

Not for baby but still

[nocturne quail]

Gotta play hybrid/cleave, or my friends clown my st dam

[maiden sierra]

Are we expecting any more class tuning before the patch release?

[red schooner]

No clue, I'm kind of expecting numbers tweaks only at this point on

[maiden sierra]

Yeah were quite close to the patch

I was asking because i was curiouse on how our sims are looking

No talent build changes i assume

Actually, with the recent tuning, have there been any changes to m+ builds?

[red schooner]

None that I'm aware of, no clue if VV is still going to be the play or if we go back to MA

I'm hoping its still VV because having vanish free for mark stuff is nice

[maiden sierra]

Ngl im kinda hoping for bleed build to die

Hybrid is my prefered build

[hearty reef]

Bleed build is the last bit of fun i had on rog in the past 2 years

[jade hedge]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[maiden sierra]

I did not play the bleed build all season

Didint like it

Though kinda troll for the weekly 12s

But who cares about trolling when you still time keys ++

[red schooner]

I'm hoping both remain solid so there's the choice

[red schooner]

I think it might be whispyrs birthday today - if so, happy birthday whispyr!

[spice spire]

It is!

My favorite twink is a year older. Love him sm

[red schooner]

Slowly becoming old like us

[hearty reef]

Eew, grtting older

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/grampa-simpson-gif-19674842

[charred obsidian]

do we have any ptr sims?

[midnight mist]

ye you can dm whyspir for some

he distribute them on demand

[analog field]

Happy birthday Whispyr of rogues

[midnight mist]

oh its his birthday?

happy birthy wospar

[main bridge]

yeah i just DMed him to wish him a happy birthday

i suggest you all do the same

[midnight mist]

ye he blocked me i cant dm him anymore unfortunatly

[main bridge]

unlucky

[red schooner]

I didn't wanna DM it felt rude, I'll just stick to the message in chat

[main bridge]

nah it's not rude he likes the personal approach

[half light]

i read that as "I didn't wanna deathmark..."

[zenith elm]

Happy birthday Whispyr

[red schooner]

Pressing X to doubt

[zenith elm]

[jade zodiac]

Hi guys! Have only 3 cartel chips, what trinket is more viable to buy, hero HoC or Myth Pacemaker? Have Hero Whistle and Magnet now. Both trinkets are simming quite the same...

[tidal dagger]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[golden loom]

If you can buy myth pacemaker that also means u can buy myth signet

[nocturne quail]

You need kezan or you’re dam will be low

[jade zodiac]

Yes, is Signet better than Pacemaker?

[jade zodiac]

even hero track?

[normal mist]

KEZAN?

[golden loom]

kezan is legit used on 1 fight

lol

[normal mist]

cambush trolling the guy

[zenith elm]

Kezan is BIS in dungeon

Trust

[jade zodiac]

o_o

[golden loom]

but yeah the on-use trinket is more important usually

[normal mist]

dont trust

[zenith elm]

You just need to chainpull

Like all the time

[nocturne quail]

Yeah G don’t get kezan

[zenith elm]

And it still goes off in certain dungeons

[nocturne quail]

Sim it tho fr

[zenith elm]

Yeah sims is life

[golden loom]

I mean if he doesnt have either HoC or Signet, you get one of those on the highest track possible

not that hard

[normal mist]

did you sim both at the highest ilvl you could?

[jade zodiac]

HoC 671 and Pace 684, yes got these results

[golden loom]

yeah and signet / hoc are the same trinkets

so if u get that on myth track, its a clear winner

[jade zodiac]

So according to Bloodmallet Myth Signet is gonna be better

ye i see

thanks

[crimson zephyr]

maybe I'm not as bad as I think I am. I basically only pug, just had a very good group and my damage increased so much. ^^maybe I should get some friends 😛

[main bridge]

friends are OP

[nocturne quail]

Wikipedia told me HoC tho

[normal mist]

keep in mind you need to have way more mastery (number) than anything else for Priory to work properly

[pliant remnant]

Ask Jeeves told me HoC tuah

[nocturne quail]

How have I never heard that before

Genius

[crimson zephyr]

What ilvl should I have for 10s?

[normal mist]

depends

650+ at least

[crimson zephyr]

I did 7s with my S1 gear and that worked fine. (like 636) and now I'm at like 648.

ok so I guess I wait a bit to not be a burden ^^

[nocturne quail]

You could time it probs np, people going to /inspect and link your gear tho

[normal mist]

^

with premades its whatever

[zenith elm]

With a good oracle discipline you can even do 12 easy

[paper spade]

Hey guys new sin rogue here - when do ya'll swap from bleed -> splatter in M+ typically? Around 12s?

[viscid spear]

Doesn't the Bleed Build use Caustic?

[paper spade]

yep! Just have seen some mixed logs and wasn't sure if there was a preference really

[viscid spear]

I mean I'm far from a top tier player but I was doing fine in my 12s

[hearty seal]

you always take spatter

like, that sole talent is still going to give you tons of damage

even in a bleed build, it's going to do a shitton more than internal bleeding

75% AP on Rupture application just can't compare to 40% of all nature damage you do being delivered to multiple targets

[golden loom]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[golden dome]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strange python]

You guys able to do underpin as sin rogue?

If so, any tips?

[viscid spear]

Wait mb, wrong one

[zenith elm]

❤️

[umbral sierra]

Go to YouTube, there’s a guy “tanks for watching” killed underpin ?? With all specs and has a guide for every spec

[strange python]

ty

[umbral sierra]

Yw, my rogue isn’t geared for pve this season so just did it on my havok dh

[strange python]

he only have outlaw?

[waxen oyster]

sin is probably the worst rogue spec at underpin

but with how much gear we have it should just die

[strange python]

its a mobility issue w/ the oil

for me

[waxen oyster]

i did it at 650 as sub

should have about the same mobility

just kick balls at the bots once your cds are down

[jaunty sky]

the ball kicking things is so frustrating tbh

did a few tries today

[warm vortex]

Underpin sucks ass compared to zekvir

[royal lantern]

do it with a interact keybind

clicking is dogshit

his model just always blocks them

[jaunty sky]

it's not only the clicking on bombs

its how having the adds IN the explode radius does nothing so you always have to run and really kick em against the wall

how u need 3 bombs for an add and sometimes one just spawns exactly opposite of the others

[golden dome]

I'm a relatively new Rogue and I've been headbutting Underpin ?? for about a month now, and unlike with Zekvir I don't think I'll feel satisfied if I eventually get it

It's an honest to god bollocks of an encounter

[warm vortex]

Stupid little green bastard

[jaunty sky]

it felt like i was busy full time with clearing shield ->kick bombs -> clear shield -> kick bombs

the golden mount looks so sick tho

[spice surge]

Kick all the bombs

[golden dome]

I only do Delves so these bosses are my seasonal goal really

[hearty coral]

There are a lot of things to have in mind for our rotation. What get me kinda confused is how kingsbane works and when to shiv.. Lest see if i understand. I should use shiv in the Last kingsbane seconds right? Also i should always open from stealth with ambush for deathstalker and darkest night buff which let me envenom like if it had max combo pints and guarented crit. Thats it?

[strange python]

update - switched to my boomkin and did it in 3 tries

[hearty coral]

Kingsbane is like a dot and the dmg will increase per each poison i apply so maintaining envenom buff will help me and shiv will make the dot hit way more since it amplify nature dmg taken right? So using shiv during the last kb seconds its the play. Im right? Thanks

[normal mist]

You're right yeah. if you're playing double shiv you shiv before KB and then shiv again when the first shiv ends

if not, shiv only on the last 7ish seconds of kb

[marsh fjord]

Only thing you gotta understand that your both shivs need to overlap the entire kingsbane window

the rest doesnt matter

[hearty coral]

And the darkest night buff? Its like that i get it after ambush from stealth? So i insta envenom for full dmg and crit?

[normal mist]

" Also i should always open from stealth with ambush for deathstalker and darkest night buff which let me envenom like if it had max combo pints and guarented crit." if there is no target marked yet OR you dont have Darkest Night buff, you open with ambush

[marsh fjord]

You ambush - garrote-rupture then 2x mut and then envenom

[normal mist]

If you have darkest night, you just 7cp envenom and apply it

[hearty coral]

Its important to stay 50% energy for the dmg buff?

[normal mist]

no

[marsh fjord]

isnt he talking about opener?

[normal mist]

Assuming you're talking about sanguine blades, you sometimes get to be above 50% in ST, other than that, in AoE scenarios, you're always above 50%

[hearty coral]

Aoe its like this. Ambush main target and try to garrote and rupture the largest numbers of target i can then crimson blade and the focus envenom on the main target thats it?

[normal mist]

^ basically

many bleeds = many good

[candid sun]

Is this specifically for M+ or single target only

If M+, usually I'll just bleed everything first then ambush my prio target

[normal mist]

i do the same

[hearty coral]

And then death Mark and kingsbane main target and splatter will spread that dmg

[hearty coral]

M+

[marsh fjord]

shiv before the kingsbane

if you run double shiv

[normal mist]

If you're playing m+ i recommend you playing bleed

[hearty coral]

Sorry for being dumb but i want to try my Best and try to understand it

[normal mist]

bleed doesnt play kingsbane

[marsh fjord]

oh yeah i forgot

i only play induction build

[candid sun]

You put yourself at a disadvantage by not asking questions

[hearty coral]

The dmg from aoe is splatter spreading the dots on the target plus the ruptures, garrotes and crimson dmg

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[normal mist]

Yes

Which build are you playing?

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#bleed This is what you should try to play first before trying the other variations.

"Why" you ask

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[normal mist]

^

[hearty coral]

Well i have the same s1 build. Not sure which one is it.

I want a good boss dmg with good aoe like a balance

[hearty coral]

By reading that cleave seems the pick for me

[normal mist]

let me just tell you that cleave will only work properly in high keys

What key range are you doing?

[hearty coral]

0 XD.. Im 607 ilvl.. So i should go bleeds

[normal mist]

you're basically naked

[hearty coral]

Ye XD

[candid sun]

Bleed build fucks

Actually fun to me lol

[hearty coral]

Ah the bleeds build dont take kingsbane

[normal mist]

1 less CD to worry about

[prisma cypress]

kingsbane is kind of a weak sister these days

[crimson zephyr]

tons of mistakes, many times didn't had the cuastic splatter up beause I was busy trying not to die xD (not too familiar with the dungeon), ilvl 648. I guess caustic should be on top? the difference between ct and caustic is quit huge 😮 have the basic wow m+ bleed build - was a +7

[spice surge]

Nah seems fine, crimson usually does more as bleed

[main bridge]

details breakdown doesn't really tell you much. if you want a more accurate answer, log some keys or raid

[prisma cypress]

CT is huge. theres a reason its getting nerfed

[crimson zephyr]

ah really 😮

thanks

[red schooner]

Got the mount, fixed my parse, life is good

[umbral sierra]

just keybind "interact"

how would we feel about a deathmark rework

where its a buff and not a debuff

[main bridge]

i don't think anyone would disagree with that

switching targets is already a big weakness for sin

especially given the nature of some of the upcoming dungeon and raid mechanics

[umbral sierra]

im just tired of losing my dots to baby cages and paralysis

[main bridge]

[prisma cypress]

how do you imagine it would work as a buff? i can't imagine they'd allow the effect to apply to our bleeds on all targets, unless it were much weaker

[umbral sierra]

increase bleed damage by 50% or sum

or maybe crimson tempest apply a from stealth benefited gar and rupture to everything hit

idfk

as long as it does more than the piss poor excuse of a 2 minute cd it is now and isnt a debuff im happy

bc its a sad truth that vanish is and feels like a stronger 2 minute cd for assa than deathmark

[prisma cypress]

i guess you're talking about m+ here

[coral ibex]

rework it back into vendetta and just make it a damage amp buff

[prisma cypress]

yeah i guess it's underwhelming in aoe in 5-mans, but we're not exactly lacking damage in that context

[umbral sierra]

and pvp but mostly m+ perspective

im mostly curious on the pve perspective of current DM bc in pvp DM is atrocious

[umbral sierra]

tbh i just think its not a cd that feels good to press

u press true shot on a hunter and u know ur gonna go ham, same with call of the wild or avatar on warrior, etc. dm feels like it doesnt do much , like u press it and forget its even there

[buoyant herald]

You need to make details bigger to see any actual effect

But yeah I mean I think it’s a good flavourful cooldown but the fact you don’t feel it in gameplay is meh

[umbral sierra]

i agree, esp compared to the other rogue specs, u can feel when dance and blades are rolling, u can feel adr rolling but no real change for assa

[buoyant herald]

To be fair

You can feel when ADR falls off

Since it’s such high uptime lol

[umbral sierra]

i mean yeah, im just pointing at, u can feel a difference between being in and out of cds

[fallow canopy]

Grats 🐐

[red schooner]

Thank you!

[golden loom]

I mean in single target you deffo feel when deathmark

Is active

Cause you suddenly have infinite energy

[buoyant herald]

That’s true. I do far more keys than raid so that’s my default thought state lol

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

i mean, ADR is the probably worst example, cus outlaw at this point is balanced around having a near 100% uptime on it and it "feels off" because it becomes near unplayable

ADR dropping is like dropping rupture/garrote on assa

[sharp turtle]

might be a stupid question, but does sin get access to atrophic poison for the DR?

[balmy condor]

yes

[golden loom]

yeah its in the general rogue tree

[balmy condor]

all rogue specs do

and it's not in a competitive area of the tree

essentially free to take

[sharp turtle]

cool thank you, im just not at home to check and i think im signing up for S3 on my rogue for guild raid

[buoyant herald]

Welcome, fellow sadomasichist

[prisma cypress]

what's wrong with rogue in raid

[vocal cradle]

How was assa in raid testing compared to outlaw? Anyone got the scoop?

[waxen oyster]

doomed, reroll

lowest dps

[sharp turtle]

i dont like that spec swapping is a thing for certain bosses or bwteen M+ or raid

min/max thing i guess

[red schooner]

If you ain't progging rwf, just play what you enjoy

[golden loom]

I mean u can 1 trick just fine

[sharp turtle]

i like sin, feels cooler than outlaw, but i think outlaw is just more tankier?

[golden loom]

I mean it is tankier but also is never the "go-to" prog spec anyways

[waxen oyster]

doesnt matter

feint covers most things

[vocal cradle]

After 2 seasons of assa it's getting boring but I can't justify swapping if imma do less DMG lmao

[waxen oyster]

I mean thats on you

[sharp turtle]

what makes it tankier though? like is it just the extra stam?

[waxen oyster]

this tier was relatively balanced

[golden loom]

extra vers and also stacks vers

[waxen oyster]

outlaw stacks versa

also no feint cd

[raw marlin]

we are doing some 13/14/15s i know bleed is 99% best in this situation but our ST bosses are taking FOREVERRRRR.. is the forced induction still the go to still? Imma do !builds too but want to know

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[waxen oyster]

What comp

[raw marlin]

well we are vdh and sin rogue, the rest we are just pugging or friends are comign in and out to get them to 3k

[waxen oyster]

Yeah thats a skill issue then

[raw marlin]

im 20 ilvls below them all and doing about the same if not more dps so its abit of a weird carry situation but they arent bad

[waxen oyster]

peoppe need to press buttons

sin st is not great

[raw marlin]

yh thats what im saying though, shall i go FI build to get that ST up?

[waxen oyster]

no matter build

[main bridge]

if you're 20 ivlls below and gapping them in ST that's def a skill issue (on their part)

[raw marlin]

no im gapping them in overall

[waxen oyster]

yeah that means you’re playing with potatoes

[raw marlin]

my ST is like.. near them-ish in CDs

rookery was just disgusting just now

last boss made me cry IRL

[main bridge]

yeah a lot of people switch to sub for last boss in ROOK

[waxen oyster]

if people are doing as much st as a bleed build sin rogue

yikes

[raw marlin]

yh it is yikes but imma play with them as end of season and guildies

but im just wondering what build to go lol

to compensate for them being potatoes

[main bridge]

hybrid has better ST but your overall will suffer

[waxen oyster]

nah hybrid is about the same

the no garrote one is slightly better

or just play sub

[raw marlin]

what is sub stat weights?

[main bridge]

this is 2025

we don't do stat weights

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[raw marlin]

i mean..

i have like negative haste

[waxen oyster]

haste is just a bit less value

[runic hinge]

it likes everything but haste

[raw marlin]

oh thats fine ll

[main bridge]

i don't think you need different gear to play sub

[runic hinge]

but haste is still fine

[raw marlin]

lol

can someone link me the code for no garrote sin

and also the m+ sub build lol

❤️

[waxen oyster]

realistically you’re not doing much more

to make the timer that much faster

[raw marlin]

we missed out by 1min

due to the bosses lol

[waxen oyster]

yeah that means you play with uhh

[raw marlin]

will it make up 1 min?

[main bridge]

rookery is def a boss dungeon so you need good ST

[raw marlin]

our rookery was

frost mage, ret pala, sin rogue, vdh and resto sham

[waxen oyster]

i’ve +2ed 12s with a 2m overall mage

[raw marlin]

frost was 685 and did about 200k less overall than me

[waxen oyster]

unno

[raw marlin]

im 665 lol

[main bridge]

i have never seen a frost mage do respectable damage

[waxen oyster]

I’ve seen rets do over 2m st

[raw marlin]

yh the ret did 3.5m overall

he was fine in ST too

but regardless, best build for me in this situation lol?

[runic hinge]

best build is to not group with a 685 frost mage who does less ST than a bad ST spec in a large ST dungeon

[raw marlin]

well look

I cant control their fingers

i can only control mine

[waxen oyster]

this was a 12

lol

[raw marlin]

4.77m overal lol?

look at my gear lol

[runic hinge]

you can play the FI build but it need a big target to live dm+kb for you to do a lot of damage

[waxen oyster]

yeah else its moot

[raw marlin]

im playing with tank in voice

so we can def tailor it around that

[waxen oyster]

dont invite mages

is my advice

[marsh fjord]

@raw marlin

[raw marlin]

@marsh fjord

[marsh fjord]

whaddup homie

[raw marlin]

@marsh fjord sup

im just moulding

to these keys

[waxen oyster]

its the one class i hard decline

when pugging

[runic hinge]

yeah pug mages are almost always bad, cause the good ones have guild groups

[sharp turtle]

you were getting PI

pretty normal

[waxen oyster]

pug overalls are highly dependent on pulls

People really dont have an excuse to lose to a 665 rogue at 684

[polar rampart]

there is quite a skill gap between good mages and other ones

[waxen oyster]

With most classes but mages its massive

[polar rampart]

yeah, but as he said, the good ones already have groups, lol

[primal gulch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[primal gulch]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[gray hazel]

Anyone have any tips or tricks on trying to parse on M gallywix?

just all uptime on boss?

[waxen oyster]

spatter adds

if you want orange

[gray hazel]

the little ones that spawn during p2, are they close enough to the boss to spatter to?

im looking for a blue lmao

[scarlet orbit]

If you want to parse boss dmg you can never go off boss and max melee range his aoe but you will get less overall logs because not that much add dmg pad

[gray hazel]

all i have are greys and one green heh

[scarlet orbit]

If your logs are all grey and green there is probably some rotations errors which hold you back

[gray hazel]

hah, fair enough.

Ill look into my logs and see where i need to get good.

[silk sundial]

Post some logs here for advice

[prisma cypress]

the boss has a pretty big hit box so it's not too hard to stand by the adds and still hit him

[gray hazel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1nANVZd96hGbCFYa?fight=15&type=damage-done&source=50

From kill last week, critique away.

I was on dispel duty of the adds in p1 for for a bit, but this one should be clear

[jovial quiver]

Two hunters and your stuck wasting shiv on the adds. Gross

[waxen oyster]

two hunters a boomy and a dragon

lmao

first dispel kind of lines up with dry shiv

[scarlet orbit]

If you delay cds for mechanics you still want them used at the same time. So you would hold dm here till kb is ready to use like normal. Also your shivs are sometimes spread apart to far

[waxen oyster]

our kill times are too fast for the 7min dm set to spatter adds

pain

[gray hazel]

Thank you, Ill work on that tomorrow.

[scarlet orbit]

We killed the boss at 7:02 today ^^ Was great

[gray hazel]

I know near the last set of add KBs timer gets kinda scuffed

[waxen oyster]

eww

[red schooner]

8:04 for us, our dps was kind of low apparently

[waxen oyster]

thats a decent time

[red schooner]

Swapped cooldowns to the proper times which is a huge dps boost. First kill I just sent them on cooldown almost.

[waxen oyster]

im tempted to just cloak and run on top of a good aoe class

if i get bigger badder bomb

to pad more

[gray valve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

just look at lorggs

you delay 2nd kb

send one shiv solo

else its pretty on cd

[red schooner]

Yeah, I did the hold til 3 minutes thing this time for deathmark and then on cooldown from there

Should have checked lorggs properly but, it worked out.

[waxen oyster]

it just looks bad on dps meter

if you chain wipe p1

XD

[red schooner]

Yeah, but you get to p2? Stonks.

It was our first reclear so we only had like, 14 pulls?

[waxen oyster]

i climbed 700k dps on the 7min dm set

[red schooner]

Not the worst.

[waxen oyster]

on prog kill

when i checked replay

[scarlet orbit]

We have so much aoe padders that i kinda ignored adds on progress. I fully padded boss dmg 😄

[waxen oyster]

need the 7min add set

has this guy been typing for the past 30mins?

[humble verge]

lmao ofc on my 3rd rogue i get kezan in the tw chest

[scarlet orbit]

Our gally kill times so far. I still find it funny that we got like +6% dmg raid buff and other power gain and we managed to kill the boss 20 sec faster then on prog xD

[red schooner]

I forgot that I had a mythic kezan in my bags, should have swapped to that

[waxen oyster]

i forgot to take mine off for cauldron

[red schooner]

[waxen oyster]

i also forgot to talent out of ib for oab

and we didnt wipe this week for once

[red schooner]

I didn't even want the kezan it just appeared in the vault so its just, OKAY THEN SURE I GUESS

[waxen oyster]

thats how i got capo

@slender valve

[red schooner]

Our kill time went up by 2 seconds

I have no clue how we managed that

[waxen oyster]

8min kill is probably peak

get that dm kb set on adds

then a dry shiv

[scarlet orbit]

How long is the engrage timer for gally?

[hallow glade]

8m soft enrage

i think

[fallow canopy]

9 something

[red schooner]

I think its longer than that, we didn't hit enrage unless I missed it

[waxen oyster]

probably is over 9

[fallow canopy]

on first kill

was after enrage

[waxen oyster]

if you consider people are just killing in 8 when its super nerfed

[hallow glade]

yeah maybe 9:30 or so

depends on when you break shield too

[balmy condor]

yah gally enrage if you insta break is like 9:30

I think most of the time enrage is like 9:40, 9:45

meanwhile honestly is doing speed kills in almost half that

blizzard is actually insano nerfing raids these days

it's crazy

[cursive hatch]

I've only been in for one kill so far but it was 7:10. Only timing I knew was holding for the 2:50~ add set, then just sent on cd. Terrible parse because of ilvl and playing super safe though lol

[balmy condor]

parsing in tww has been nothing but cringe

[humble verge]

what

how in dafak

[balmy condor]

just better I guess

[raw marlin]

is this the right build i have here?

[humble verge]

jesus

they are literally

[waxen oyster]

Doesnt honestly also just have

a better roster

[humble verge]

over a minute over other people

[balmy condor]

but the sheer amount of greed and fucking pad that you need to parse these days is just stupid

[waxen oyster]

than most guilds

[balmy condor]

yes that's the raid build

[humble verge]

honestly

i suck at padding

i just cant pad properly on gally atleast

[cursive hatch]

I gave up on stix, the boomkin and ele shamans in my raid make it impossible but I just want to see funny big number

[raw marlin]

i can not for the life of me find the damn m+ build to help with ST lol.. this one work or nah?

[waxen oyster]

just misdirect your devoker

[balmy condor]

no lmao

[humble verge]

real

kill my evoker

[balmy condor]

that's why it's a raid build

[humble verge]

Okayge

[waxen oyster]

i cant do it because

ours is doing a bomb

[raw marlin]

stealing it off a m+ run though lol

[waxen oyster]

else i would

[balmy condor]

I guarantee you that you are not

[raw marlin]

i mean his guild name is idiot

[balmy condor]

yeah so you stole it from a high io player

but that is not what they played in m+

that is what they logged out with

after raid

[raw marlin]

no its legit

the log from the m+ dungeon lol

[waxen oyster]

i have a crazy suggestion

if you want to time

[balmy condor]

then they swapped halfway through

[raw marlin]

its a rookery

[waxen oyster]

stop inviting 2mil mages

[raw marlin]

if they were doing weird testing

[balmy condor]

they probably swapped before the last boss

I promise you, no one is playing m+ without crimson tempest

and especially not without scent

[raw marlin]

yeah that is what i thought lol

[winged sun]

Idk why ppl think CT got nerfed

[balmy condor]

the most dumbfuck of rogues stumble into those two talents by sheer luck

[winged sun]

We had an aura buff beforehand

Like

[raw marlin]

it looks like on vod he was this then swapped to the previous one

[winged sun]

Its not useless

[balmy condor]

yes

that's an m+ build

[runic hinge]

ct pretty good

[thorn thorn]

Are we talking about dropping ct in M+

[deep gyro]

Overrated

[spice spire]

Caustic new meta

Ur cucked

[thorn thorn]

Death

[runic hinge]

cause it does crazy damage?

[winged sun]

Garrote talents still cooked in m+, good in dawnbreaker tho

[balmy condor]

no, it's just el classico of copying build and the talents don't make sense cause it's not the talents they used

[winged sun]

High keys thing only

[main bridge]

i only copy Whispyr builds

[thorn thorn]

You need a thing that says 90% of what you say applies to high keys

[winged sun]

Idk how to even do that

[main bridge]

so almost always irrelevant to most players?

[thorn thorn]

Change your name ig

[winged sun]

High key only sayer

[thorn thorn]

Or whispyr gives you a special role

[winged sun]

Or what

[thorn thorn]

Zeross only high

[winged sun]

Im probably the last person on earth to get a special role

Whisper hates me

[balmy condor]

yeah as if I'm going to make a special role for exactly 1 person in the discord

regardless of who that is

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

definitely not a headache

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[thorn thorn]

Confirmed whispyr is a hater

The real christian would make a role

[balmy condor]

turn the discord into elitist scum hell by making roles per 100 io

and you have to link to a bot that gives you rank based on io

[winged sun]

[thorn thorn]

That statement reeks of felhammer vibes

[winged sun]

It doesnt matter what ppl play in low keys they all suck anyway

[thorn thorn]

[main bridge]

this actually exists in the mythic plus friends server

[balmy condor]

I'm aware

[winged sun]

They’ll end up un murlok io and copy some pvp build

[main bridge]

you get a colored name based on your IO

kinda cool IMO

[winged sun]

Same story everytime

[main bridge]

i need everybody to know how cool i am based on the video game number

[balmy condor]

yeah kinda cool until you realize it's an internet forum and you just invented racism cause your color is worse than my color

then its less cool

[waxen oyster]

why are people so allergic to checking guides

[raw marlin]

@balmy condor do you have a video going over the FI build specifically?

[thorn thorn]

Reading hard

[waxen oyster]

boomy players to the back of the bus

[main bridge]

RIO Racism

[balmy condor]

no

you play it basically the same

just don't press garrote a bunch

[scarlet orbit]

Its work. The amout of people who dont put in 5 min into a class before asking god and the world about how to play it is to high for my liking.

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr should i play rogue in S3

[balmy condor]

probably not

if you enjoy other things, play other things

[main bridge]

reroll FDK right now coward

[waxen oyster]

its like

all the info you need is in one place

and people still refuse

people wonder if chatgpt will solve their problems yet mfs refuse to use raidbots

[raw marlin]

yh its just.. dont vanish/garrote anymore or only do it purely for the KB?

[waxen oyster]

and expect internet randoms to know what gear is better for them

[thorn thorn]

Fdk on my potential list but im not swapping to a meta spec cuz im not fotm scum

[balmy condor]

idk, there's a bigger subconscious in terms of guides where people have a desire to know "secret" tech

[balmy condor]

you vanish for scent mainly

[main bridge]

FDK probably gets nerfed so it will be funny to see all the FOTM rerollers get BTFO

[balmy condor]

garrote bad

[waxen oyster]

secret tech

thats a sub spell

[thorn thorn]

What is btfo

[main bridge]

Blown The Fuck Out

[thorn thorn]

Oh

Prolly

[winged sun]

Garrote will mainly be good in dawnbreaker but idk how big of a loss it’ll be to even drop double shiv

[thorn thorn]

Happens with every meta spec

[winged sun]

Didnt check yet

[waxen oyster]

the secret part is you still do zdps

[winged sun]

@balmy condor did u do tier set sims yet

[thorn thorn]

People do well, spec gets nerfed, its revealed how much their spec carried them

[waxen oyster]

so

aug players

[scarlet orbit]

which aug players?

[thorn thorn]

Yes aug was actually the example i was gonna make

[balmy condor]

it's roughly where the tier sets should be

[thorn thorn]

There are a few of us that play well cuz the spec isnt hard

[balmy condor]

which means given all the other tier sets, its bad

[thorn thorn]

But 9/10 of them need their hands chopped off

Might even be a dps increase for some

[balmy condor]

10%ish in total

[thorn thorn]

All 7 of us left

[waxen oyster]

i assume they all rerolled

[thorn thorn]

Most of them did

They are now the dev dieing 11 times in your key doing sub tank dam

[winged sun]

Idk how the cleave build can drop double shiv

Wonder if its even possible

Its probably still not worth it in dawn breaker

But idk

[waxen oyster]

skilled

they need to nerf bm hunter

[main bridge]

they need to nerf Xiani tbh

they are too good

[thorn thorn]

Ross needs a nerf

[thorn thorn]

Idk if it says bad things but i never invite evoker players in pugs

[golden loom]

The fuck did the cats do Ross??

[thorn thorn]

Every time its been a mistake

[winged sun]

Im a cat that ears

Eats

I dont ear cat

[golden loom]

Okay I got worried for a sec

[thorn thorn]

Ross consumes gatos

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[royal lantern]

thats still 9 too much

[thorn thorn]

All 7 of us are gonna meet you out back

And throw endless amounts of rocks

Maybe even throw sand

[spice surge]

And theyve kinda designed themselves in the corner because they cant really buff the tier without either
-A. Overbuffing the 2p by a lot making it way stronger than the 4p
-B. Redesign or add extra text to the 4p
-C. Actually increase the shiv duration, but thats just gonna be insanely weird if the number goes up by much more than it currently is

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1395802121726857386/Screenshot_20231224_133436_X.jpg?ex=687fba06&is=687e6886&hm=79d21117f31dd68ef3b9cd62c3aed11d2805eae10f86f5529c562a0daab6d654&

[winged sun]

I think i like ur idea of making shiv longer

Like alot alot

[thorn thorn]

That is not one of the 7

[winged sun]

Make it long enough to last throughout kingsbane

[thorn thorn]

They can get their hands chopped off for all i care tbh

[winged sun]

Cuz why not

The current gameplay is so bad imo

Feels bad to play the tier set

[golden loom]

100% shiv uptime

[winged sun]

No just make it last 15 sec

Then its fine

[golden loom]

Yeah would be kinda crazy

Imagine you would have entire deathmark AND lingering window covered with shivs

And still get a full shiv for KB

[slender valve]

Like Bloodmess fatalconcoction, just tiny dmg talents move to patch note adjustment and add some useful things 😦

[normal mist]

You were typing for so long i expected 10 paragraphs asking questions or something

I feel robbed

[winged sun]

Ye well that’ll make the tierset actually fun and not boring

Its just sluggish rn

[runic hinge]

The worst thing about blizzards tuning imo is the fact they brought back big talent trees and yet all we every see is aura/ability buffs/nerfs, hardly any talent adjusting. like oh cool another 9% of aura, when they gave themselves like 40 other knobs they could use to tune

[winged sun]

I agree

It also brings major confusion on builds 24/7, hard to balance etc

[runic hinge]

it's also like, kinda leaving things stale, when they dont change talents its just gonna be same builds for the whole patch, and that's fine but they could come up with different things imo

[buoyant herald]

There’s some degree of builds changing when they buff abilities (eg mutilate buff leading to VV being taken) but that feels like putting the cart before the horse a bit

[raw marlin]

it cant just be me right that thinkgs FI build for sin just feels bad?

[waxen oyster]

People say to not play it

[raw marlin]

even in high keys?

[waxen oyster]

that 99% of people dont do

[raw marlin]

im not asking when/if/who does it, im saying it just feels bad to even play it regardless?

even in the top 0.00001% of keys

[spice surge]

Well yes whenever you lose out on your mark because of something breaking you out of stealth it feels absolutely atrocious

Theres a reason why all the guides recommend to not play it

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats annoying

they create tuning knob talents, and then never use them and instead its ALWAYS just aura buffs/nerfs

[spice surge]

If you get broken out of stealth for any reason or use anything besides ambush to get your mark up from stealth you just do no damage for a while

[raw marlin]

but it also doesnt even feel like it does that much more ST anyway

[spice surge]

Well ye you dont do good ST either way

Its like +150k

[raw marlin]

just feels bad lol

[spice surge]

To do good ST as assa in keys you NEED adds to funnel from

[raw marlin]

yh is that why rank number 1 rogue is an outlaw lol?

[spice surge]

I mean keys are about way more than just ST

[waxen oyster]

i mean

isnt it just zac

[raw marlin]

yeah

but hes still top

[waxen oyster]

plays more

+better player ig

idk top rio is alot on who plays the game more

[royal lantern]

which turns it into a L again

[waxen oyster]

Theres probably good players who cant justify

spending 8+ hours

to be 5 points higher on a third party website

that awards nothing

[burnt star]

I.mean.. pushing title does award something

[waxen oyster]

If you’re already in title range

[raw marlin]

pushing title is dif to top 1

[waxen oyster]

at that point you’re just

going for ego

[burnt star]

Trying to be the best? Why is that bad

U might not like it. But calling it useless and unrewarding is kinda off

[waxen oyster]

Because top rio in 5 player content for your class

doesnt mean you actually are the best individual player

[burnt star]

Why do anyone ever do competitive stuff?

Well technicly. Until someone beat u out of that #1 rank. U are the best

In that content

[waxen oyster]

I feel you’re going to see people stress being #1 way more when they’re new to the scene

rather than someone who consistently is up there

wow isnt solo content either

[royal lantern]

^

you are part of a team

not the big solo hero

[burnt star]

Didnt call it solo. Its a group content we all know this. But i can totally see the hype for someone to try and be on top

[royal lantern]

i mean, "on top" is allready shady soemtimes

[raw marlin]

i mean ronaldo is the best in almost everyteam he ever played in at any age.. he still had teammates lol

[spring moat]

!talent

[raw marlin]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[royal lantern]

cus the really great guys tend to play the objectively the best options

[raw marlin]

yh the best will float to the top

but then the ones who are the 'best' and have infinite time

float to the very very top

[fresh kelp]

ye all the one tricks are awful time spent gamers and all the rerollers are true players

so real

[raw marlin]

but i also know incredibly good players who are so toxic noone will team with them and they just die out

[burnt star]

Sounds like being the best is more then gameplay skill alone

[raw marlin]

yh

gameplay, social etc

put an avg raider into a target dummy, theyll od perfect rotation

[royal lantern]

not what was said, but ok

99% of FotM guys are dogshit

somebody that plays their Arcane Mage at the highest level because its objectively the best option for their comp is not really comparable with a FotM Andy that plays Arcane Mage because a streamer put it on SS tier in their tierlist and then proceeds to do 2M overall while never Pressing mass barrier

[raw marlin]

is there anyway/best way to play iron wire with the bleed build?

[spice surge]

Drop the second shiv

[royal lantern]

drop 2nd shiv

damm eleem faster

[raw marlin]

is it good?

or terrible

we are lacking AOE cc lol

[royal lantern]

you lose dmg for utility

[raw marlin]

how much dmg?

[royal lantern]

idk, a couple %

[hoary remnant]

Used to be 2-3%

[royal lantern]

if you regulary struggle with interupts, probs worth it

[hoary remnant]

Still worth even early in the season

[fresh kelp]

just thought it was funny to see the reaction to zac being #1 to say "he plays more" like the meta group pushers dont play 24/7

I know you didn't say that the other guy did

[waxen oyster]

I mean its also possible the other guys

have rl obligations this week

as much as i'd like to joke the top players are perma unemployed

[royal lantern]

mate

its zac

i will always clown on my favorite french guy

[waxen oyster]

zac is also just one of the better people that still plays rogue

didnt casual jump ship to dk

[fresh kelp]

ye hes a traitor

jpc too

both on dk

[raw marlin]

casual is so negative lol

his stream is just.. moaning

[waxen oyster]

i mean i'd be pretty annoyed too if one missed kick

wasted 30 minutes spent

[fresh kelp]

the nonverbal incident

[raw marlin]

does iron wire do AOE silence.. how many mobs does it hit and how often can you reapply it? can i garrote, garrote, vanish, garrote garrote etc for like 20 seconds of silence on everyone?

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean its worse if you're a streaming team

because then other people are expecting you to do well

[spice surge]

Iron wire silences targets affected by garrote

So with IC you would silence 3 targets per cast

[waxen oyster]

Like it cannot be good for the mental to stream for hours

do a slight slipup

then the armchair 10 experts start spamming emotes in chat

[royal lantern]

just kick

[spice surge]

So in theory you can silence a mob for 12+5=17 seconds per stealth window, so 51s in total if you have 2 vanish charges ready

But that requires you to waste a lot of garrotes

[raw marlin]

has anyone got a weakaura to show silence portion of it and timer?

[hallow glade]

Most people simply use plater for this

[marsh fjord]

Ragebaiting people in timewalking is my new favorite thing

they get so triggered 😄

[amber brook]

how do you ragebait in TW

[worthy rose]

i must know this skill too

for science

[winged sun]

wbhat do u even do

[calm mirage]

New to assassinate, energy feels weird, I watch other people playing and somehow they can hit high single, not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[marsh fjord]

Was a rogue, told him he was going the wrong build and he was going all ham on me

said i should touch grass

[marsh fjord]

he was mega angry

and he was doing less damage then a healer and he said due to scaling and i told him excuses and he kept being angry lol

[balmy condor]

do you have logs

[harsh anchor]

Just push your buttons bro, number goes up eventually

[stray star]

is there a simple aura to show bone spike charges? I can't seem to find one that works

[main bridge]

why would you care?

[stray star]

to make sure i have 3x out in m+?

should i not care?

[main bridge]

i dunno i'm not aware of any reason to track that

[stray star]

oh, okay. ill just keep rupturing

ty 🙏

[runic hinge]

They fire automatically if you have them up. No need to track

[balmy condor]

They also fire from carnage ruptures, so you send all 3 on pull anyway just as bonus info

[inner swift]

might be a dumb question but is there a section in wowhead for ptr talent builds?

[balmy condor]

I’d kms if I had to support that

But luckily the talents don’t change

So yes

[inner swift]

XD

[balmy condor]

If I had to do ptr guides I’d genuinely quit I think

[waxen oyster]

Do people not know what "test realm" means

[runic hinge]

PTR guides is crazy

[waxen oyster]

oh wait i forgot people cant think for themselves

[buoyant herald]

“PTR guide” feels oxymoronic

Maybe just plain moronic

[waxen oyster]

whispyr should make a talent import string but wall it behind patreon

for the funny

[balmy condor]

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if I just abandoned all morals I own and start cranking out ptr/beta tier lists and BiS and all that slop

How many people would actually just blindly take it

[waxen oyster]

Just paywall it

might as well make a buck off

[slate crown]

It's easy senior chorpity is there and can help you. Everything is slop and everyone are piggies to the trough hmmmm yum yum yum

[inner swift]

my question was not rogue oriented, was gonna test out dk in ptr but the dk discord has fuck all so was gonna see if there is anything there thats all

[balmy condor]

Good guys over there

[waxen oyster]

its a test realm

what do people not get

[hallow glade]

not likely for us to run imp gar or shrouded suff in raid/m+ then?

[inner swift]

brother are you that dense?if i never played dk and the talent tree has changed from what it was from live servers, is it that bad to ask for a source for a fucking talent tree? jesus

[waxen oyster]

It's almost like you can experiment

hence the point of a test realm

[inner swift]

omfg

[waxen oyster]

unless you cant read

which checks out

[balmy condor]

If you didn’t play it before, you probably won’t now

[waxen oyster]

guy's really stressing over "best" talents numerically when trying stuff out

[inner swift]

if im a rogue main right? and i go to ptr, i know im gonna play caustic and IC right? so i wont play a st build for my m+

tbt if you wanted to understand the point you would have, nvm XD

[waxen oyster]

They really never should have returned to old talent trees

most players are too stupid to understand it

and just copypaste off murlok

@balmy condor Is it a hot take that i hate IC as a talent

it just brings so many people who should just play something else

to a multidot spec

[polar rampart]

yes, they just finding out why they got rid of them in the first place

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/simpson-homer-stupid-gif-5030192

[polar rampart]

exactly

[spice spire]

Big fan of slop

[waxen oyster]

I remember when tierlists were mostly unserious content to judge subjective opinions.

Now they've become easy clickbait material

[slate crown]

Not sure when that was

[waxen oyster]

like rating food

unlesss someone was really trying to seriously rank slop food chains objectively

[stiff fern]

There's some builds in the frost ptr channel pinned!

Just in case you still need em.

[inner swift]

yeah found em , thanks

[zenith elm]

Good morning Fellow Rogues

[zenith elm]

i have seen serious fast food chains tierlist tho

Another Whispyr video ? BLESSED

[polar rampart]

whispyr super hard

same frfr

[vestal cliff]

is it a big dmg loss if i use a supercharged finisher on rupture?

[grim jay]

Cant be since you just ignore supercharger 99% of the time

[runic hinge]

or 100%

[vestal cliff]

i love it

[grim jay]

People that just do that dont need anything more anyways

And the issue would still be the same, just in a different form

[grim jay]

Nah there is that gimmicky supercharge CT stuff for low keys

[runic hinge]

never heard of it LOL

I suppose dry shiv counts as playing around it tho

[grim jay]

Missed nothing

[obtuse robin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawny geyser]

Happy Birthday @balmy condor here’s a little cringe song for you😂

Ah shit, it wont let me upload

[hollow dirge]

It’s a well known fact, that if anyone says something they do themself is cringe, they gain protection from cringe from the rest of us

[tawny geyser]

True man😁

[crimson zephyr]

forgot how it's called but damage modifiers always apply instantly to everything? e.g. I have a garrot up for 8s and. then shiv, now my garrot goes brrr right?

[winged quail]

Correct, Assa has dynamic damage amps no snapshotting

[shy axle]

except the improved gar, that needs to be used once, the old one will not be buffed

[crimson zephyr]

amps stands for? amplifiers?

Assuming I have no env buff up and I env and I skilled Rapid Injection, does the 10% dmg buff apply to the env that applies the buff or only for future ones?

[spice surge]

If you have envenom (the buff) up when you press envenom, youll do 10% more damage with that envenom

[iron carbon]

Wdym? Going into stealth won't buff your current garrot?

Or you mean something else

[shy axle]

yes, you need to use it once from stealth after vanishing/entering stealh. A normal gar does not transform into the buffed version when stealthing

[hidden beacon]

Hi all, when can we expect a BiS list for 11.2?

[upbeat marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[red schooner]

As a rule of thumb, ignore bis lists, they're pointless

The answer is to just sim yourself

[grim jay]

No u

[normal mist]

Hi, read whatever @red schooner said

[upper oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red schooner]

This is normally a bad idea but sometimes I make sense

[desert spire]

Is there anyone who is well versed with plater? I have a few questions.

[nocturne quail]

Right after the tierlist gets done

[nocturne quail]

What you tryna do

[desert spire]

Im trying to blacklist some debuffs and they aren't being blacklsited. Exp would be crippling poison or corrupt the blood.

[nocturne quail]

You gotta figure out the spell ID and then Blacklist them, at least that’s what I would do.

Usually you can find the spell ID on Google/wowhead. I’ll pull mine up rq and can DM you the id gimme sec

[desert spire]

kk.

[iron carbon]

Yes, that's what the tooltip say I think

I never thought it could work another way kekw

[iron carbon]

I got an addon that add the id on tooltip, I just black list debuffs based on it

Easier than sneaking wowhead imho

[desert spire]

Yeah the issue was the ID. Pretty much I just changed it from the ID to the name and that fixed it.

also, thanks for the info.

[iron carbon]

Or you can black list all and just white list the one you want

Sometimes, name doesn't work properly

[desert spire]

Yeah true. I just wanted to clean up the mess that was there and get rid of stuff that I didnt need to track.

[iron carbon]

Sure, that's what I did

Only tracking garr/rupt/ct

[desert spire]

At one point it was showing like 3 rows

[warm vortex]

Or just close your eyes and pretend it's not there. Play like a DH

[iron carbon]

It would explain why my dhs always die in raid

[desert spire]

I mean that was my last resort.

[warm vortex]

Yea, they are really commited to feeling like a true demon hunter

[iron carbon]

"I've sacrificed everything, and you?"

[warm vortex]

They also probably have a displate of illidan in their room alongside a bind that spams

"My destiny is my own!"
like 6 times when they press eye beam

[desert spire]

ROFL

[solar wyvern]

I named my DH Scarrend

"I am my scars!!!1!"

[desert spire]

Named my dh "Meinai" it means "I cant see"

[warm vortex]

I just name my chars random things, but i've tried regular names lately

Somehow i got whitney and herbert

[desert spire]

lol

[pliant remnant]

me when I see a new Whispyr video

[royal lantern]

allright guys, im dumb again

5th/6th august is where the patch launches

[iron carbon]

Why "again"?

[royal lantern]

12th/13th is season launch/raid release

right

[golden loom]

yeah

[royal lantern]

ok

was confused if i took the wrong day off

[iron carbon]

I wish I could take a day off

[royal lantern]

well

i made something up

[iron carbon]

I wanna know now

[raw marlin]

yh i have this but its kind of hard to see lol

@marsh fjord sup bro

[marsh fjord]

@raw marlin sub bro

[raw marlin]

omg is there a new whysper video?

brb

[warm vortex]

Yeup

[hot jay]

Probably weird that I'm asking in this channel but if I were to explore other rogue specs to have them ready from a gameplay standpoint which would you recommend? I haven't touched outlaw since bfa and have never played sub

[raw marlin]

wooo mythic testing is here

[hot jay]

I was thinking of preparing sub as an option in case its good for one of the raid fights

[raw marlin]

miss you

[warm vortex]

I smashed together a shitty edit because i don't wanna post the other whyisper image for the 50th time

[marsh fjord]

miss you more

[raw marlin]

you change spec then play them?

the same way you learned sin?

ill show you how i do it

1. change spec
2. be overwhelemed
3. change back to sin
4. change spec and stop being a pussy
5. Learn it

[royal lantern]

mate

the last 6 tiers where "sub is good"

[hot jay]

I'll describe my question better

[raw marlin]

tbf my first spec as rogue was outlaw, then sub then sin and sin was always left last as i had no idea wtf to do, learnt it in PVP lol and then got good at it in pve

[hot jay]

I only want to pickup sub or outlaw realistically

Not sure which one is more universally useful

[royal lantern]

i mean, Outlaw was basically never great for raids

[raw marlin]

i mean this is a good video

one second

[royal lantern]

cus its dmg profile is just not that good for raiding

sub was the meta rogue spec in raids since SL

[raw marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L7uxv8amH_k

[royal lantern]

assa always tends to be allright

[raw marlin]

this is actually kind of helpful

for picking

from what i remember and last time i played sub i only ever used it in AAcademy

sin was always dog shit until recently

and outlaw was the go to

i never raided on rogue though

anndd this is like 1-2 year old 'my data'

[hot jay]

Probably easier for me to add sub as a playable option anyway due to early crafting limitations

[raw marlin]

isnt sub the go to raid spec cause of the ST?

[hot jay]

And outlaw wanting extremely different stats

No idea

[raw marlin]

outlaw is super fun though imo

[warm vortex]

Or

Just play mage and never be in a bad spot

[royal lantern]

not really

[raw marlin]

I havent raided on rogue in about 6 years lol

[royal lantern]

its because literally every raid for the first one and a half months has moments where on-demand burst is GIGA important

and sub excells at that

[raw marlin]

next tier is my first rogue tier since forever ha

[iron carbon]

Just Sub for raid, assa for M+

[warm vortex]

Or just play what you want out of the three

[iron carbon]

Or this

[raw marlin]

all 3 are super fun

its why rogue is such a fun class

i love bdk for instance but i hate the 2 dps specs so i can never main the class lol

[hot jay]

I like having options especially when I don't hate the additional specs in question

[raw marlin]

same with mage, i aint playing fire

[warm vortex]

I'm the opposite, if im playing mage it's most likely fire

haha

[raw marlin]

my fav is frost lol

[warm vortex]

tbh i still think im going BM/SV next season

[raw marlin]

i mean

its kind of broken

but BM is such a boring spec lol

shadowlands s4 i was BDK and friend was Surv hunter and he loved it as the damage but as soon as the damage drops off he swapped immediately as it was so boring

[warm vortex]

I mean i enjoy it

Just chill tbh

And the simple rota allows me to just focus on raid mechanics and what not

[raw marlin]

my 3 main classes in the last 10 years have been.. dh, monk and rogue

[warm vortex]

Because it's actually fun to do mechanics for me as bm

Because like
Doesn't hurt my dps

[hot jay]

I kind of hate that you need a different weapon for surv - thematically and gameplay wise I understand why but it sucks when the bow specs are performing better and you can't really craft a spear without hurting your potential on the other specs

[warm vortex]

Also rats

[warm vortex]

Yea, it's annoying

Idk why you need a spear for surv, just hit things with a bow and pretend it's a spear

[raw marlin]

same for allot of specs though that want to play cross roles

[warm vortex]

I mean you can use FoTE without a two hander

[raw marlin]

its why classes like dh are good

to play both

as the stats/items are very similiar

ww and mw are now good together for the most part etc

but brew hates haste lol

[hot jay]

Or mage/lock, access to 3 specs with only stats as a variable

[weary stump]

Survival hunter should use agi dagger and an axe as it'd be a thematic win