i didnt even have 4 set
#assassination
marsh fjord
boosting should be forbidden and i will die on that hill
raw marlin
boosting is fine, 99% of the people who boost fucking suck lol
hollow frost
i used hekili to learn enhance in dragonflight. mostly because it had like 2x the short rotational buttons of other shit so i needed reminders to help build muscle memory of what new buttons i was training myself to use
raw marlin
with resis keys its fine, kick shitter go again
raw marlin
i used hekili to learn enhance in dragonflight. mostly because it had like 2x th...
yh nothing wrong, i mean we all used to wear diapers cause we shit our pants
worthy rose
resilient keys are kinda useless tho
raw marlin
doesnt mean we need them now
worthy rose
coz you have to have alreayd cleared it to get to the resilient
which means you cant push
resilient keys only help others not yoruself
not sure how blizzard could rework that
worthy rose
yeah
raw marlin
thanks
worthy rose
but would that be too OP
raw marlin
who cares
worthy rose
coz you could jus tbrute force your way into winning
raw marlin
its a video game
worthy rose
true
its not a competitive game
even tho people try to make it one
im just here to make some wow gold and get tokens
get free gametime
raw marlin
the competitive people also will just do even higher keys lol
so yeah keys may all jump up 2 levels
but you still 2 levels behind lol
we should get a poison as rogue btw
3 new ones
1 posion = 5% more magic damage
1 posion = 5% more phy damage
thorn thorn
Kb poison
raw marlin
1 posion = BL ability
raw marlin
we should have a posiion that ramps up hard
so its like.. super shit in low hp mobs
but after say 1min or something it just fucking out DPS everything in game by 100x lol
marsh fjord
What was that ability called again
hallow glade
thats just deadly poison but it does fuck all
marsh fjord
in bfa that bleeds would bleed out faster
hallow glade
or kingsbane that also does fuck all
marsh fjord
sanquinate?
thorn thorn
Imagine if it had good synergy with spatter too
raw marlin
all bleeds, hit it and your dps went VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
pliant remnant
We should just have actual poison
thorn thorn
Exsanguinate was peak
marsh fjord
@royal lantern fight me my kitten
pliant remnant
so any mob that a rogue ever hits dies
raw marlin
@royal lantern 😭
thorn thorn
Kb also needs its nerfs reverted instantly
pliant remnant
so you just have a rogue hit Mythic Dimensius and then you just wait for it to die
thorn thorn
buffed by 30%, cap back to 100 stacks
royal lantern
<@346293680883236864> fight me my kitten
raw marlin
but i wish rogue sin was just... ok, get everything up and now yank the ripcord and watch it fucking MELTTT.. i wanna watch a reverse loading bar dude
thorn thorn
We are envenom now
raw marlin
can they at least make it so our FOV actually maxes out our combo points in a pack of 1000000 mobs?
honest vector
Kingsbane jumps from one target to the next once it expires or the target dies. It also has no cool down and does 300% more damage 👨🍳
raw marlin
double fov sucks dick
raw marlin
Kingsbane jumps from one target to the next once it expires or the target dies. ...
just the jumps is great
all bleeds jump from dead target
into aoe
at 50% effectiveness
and 50% duration
its called 'SPLATTER'
thorn thorn
Make Spatter work on bleed damage too
royal lantern
ah yes
raw marlin
just any DOT at all
marsh fjord
Kingsbane jumps from one target to the next once it expires or the target dies. ...
Promote this guy to a dev straight away
raw marlin
if its ticking, its prickling
raw marlin
you know rogue always in hearthstone has allot of 'steal other class cards'
why not.. 1 ability, take any 1 ability from any other class
royal lantern
stop
main bridge
why not.. 1 ability, take any 1 ability from any other class
druid has this in MoP and it is called Symbiosis
raw marlin
ok but im not in MoP or a druid
main bridge
it's kinda nuts because the table of spells they can use is huge
raw marlin
so give it to me in retail
and nah any ability
i want BL i get it
i want aura i get it
combust.. sure why not
oh you want wings.. you got it
half light
imagine if exsanguinate came back and worked on all your bleeds
raw marlin
thorn thorn
why not.. 1 ability, take any 1 ability from any other class
touch of the magi but for bleeds
half light
like you IC'd 8 mons with garrote and rupture, and did CT, then exs and they bleed to death
royal lantern
reminder that exsang didnt increase the dmg
you would just re-apply your dots way more often lol
raw marlin
y did they even take that out lol
half light
wasn't it nerfed to death and never used back then removed?
raw marlin
also stop putting mobs with 'oh we can all see in stealth' like.. no.. let us invis skip you with shroud bitch
thorn thorn
Lets make it not dogshit
royal lantern
apply dots->exsang->apply dots again was a idiotic thing
raw marlin
ok how about... exsang = now makes dots infinite
half light
I mean it could be made to give you something or similar when it ends
royal lantern
Exsang makes all dots tick twice as often for 15s
"just make it our main cd lol"
guys
pls
stop cooking
thorn thorn
I cant
half light
I liked it 😦
royal lantern
or atleast think for 3seconds before puting it on the stove
raw marlin
i think rupture should also make mobs prone and when mobs are prone we do 100% more bleed damage
half light
what if it could pandemic with regular dots
royal lantern
what?
half light
eventually it'll get so fast it runs out before you can refresh it, but imagine a rupture ticking ultra fast
thorn thorn
raw marlin
kidney shot should be allowed on all mob types, including raid bosses lol
half light
you add rupture, ticks normally, then exs, and it ticks faster but if you rupture again you extend the duration but not stop the faster ticks
royal lantern
I prefer the phrase theory crafting
theory crafting needs a logical theory
thorn thorn
My logical theory is that if Exsang is readded in a not cringe way it will be good
half light
theory crafting needs a logical theory
what do you think would make exsanguinate work?
runic hinge
marsh fjord
There is a lot of cooking going around in here
runic hinge
If we love exsang enough it will come back to us
We let it go
It’s gotta come back
thorn thorn
I think Whispyr might be an exsang hater
marsh fjord
We need whispyr his cook on exsang
raw marlin
id rather an ability like 'you can sneak into a m+ group as the 6th member no matter what'
thorn thorn
id rather an ability like 'you can sneak into a m+ group as the 6th member no ma...
Just join a call of a full group and tell them to stream on discord
raw marlin
Just join a call of a full group and tell them to stream on discord
how am i meant to flex my score if i do that
thorn thorn
DM it to everybody in the group
runic hinge
He doesn’t like exsang cause it doesn’t do anything. And we have nothing to do with the resources it provides. More energy over a short duration but for what? We’re already gcd capped and when we sent it with dm, we’re capped on energy anyways. Just like extra damage for a lot of setup that people kinda hated and noobs didn’t understand
raw marlin
i need to get big score by doing nothing to then flex on lower level people
raw marlin
He doesn’t like exsang cause it doesn’t do anything. And we have nothing to do w...
i dont understand
royal lantern
what do you think would make exsanguinate work?
by not having it work at all in any form like it did
half light
what if while it is active, your gcd is cut in half
thorn thorn
Exsang also reducing the duration of mark 
royal lantern
"dots speed up" will always be a weird mechanic
half light
that way you can use the resources it gives and it also does something else besides speeding bleeds
you get a rush from making your enemies bleed
thorn thorn
Guys
raw marlin
why do rogues never poison themselves for increase benefits?
runic hinge
i dont understand
We haven’t been energy starved for a while so, giving us extra energy doesn’t do anything. Especially when it was most recently in the game it was paired with dm so you’re already flooded
marsh fjord
We haven’t been energy starved for a while so, giving us extra energy doesn’t do...
on ST you are starved outside of cd's
raw marlin
We haven’t been energy starved for a while so, giving us extra energy doesn’t do...
i was joking saying i dont understand aka a noob
runic hinge
Yeah but you’d never send exsang outside dm anymore so
half light
make it a 2 min cd
thorn thorn
I did and I remember having to tell people it reduces the duration of DM so it had to be used before applying DM
Which was turbo cringe gameplay
runic hinge
Yeah I exsanged my dm like ten times that patch
marsh fjord
When you press exsang your bleeds get duplicated and run out 200% faster then normal
runic hinge
One time I still pink parsed
thorn thorn
runic hinge
When you press exsang your bleeds get duplicated and run out 200% faster then no...
To what end tho? Just to have to reapply bleeds during dm?
marsh fjord
To what end tho? Just to have to reapply bleeds during dm?
Yeah kinda 😄
Im just cooking dont ever listen to my takes bro
those are horrible
thorn thorn
People play dot specs because seeing a lot of numbers is cool not because applying dots constantly is good gameplay
runic hinge
Exsang was just a lot of effort for what it did and idk if that gameplay is still interesting
It’s like
People used to call assa piano opener
thorn thorn
Certified pvp talent in the spec tree moment
marsh fjord
I like that bleeds goes faster. but wasnt it also that exsang halved your bleeds or something
i remember something like that
raw marlin
People play dot specs because seeing a lot of numbers is cool not because applyi...
this is the thing, i kind of enjoy dotting things then just watching it die slowly lol.. that is what makes dots fun
thorn thorn
I like that bleeds goes faster. but wasnt it also that exsang halved your bleeds...
It just made them run faster
They would tick more often and expire faster
runic hinge
Cause Exsang was pretty complicated. Also if you fucked it, it was horrible
runic hinge
Exsang your dm and then jump off sennarth platform
thorn thorn
Exsang would only not be cringe if it didnt reduce bleed duration anymore
marsh fjord
@balmy condor sorry for the ping but we need your opinion on exsang. provide us your knowledge my king
thorn thorn
Otherwise we go back to exsanging your DM and your opener is gg
runic hinge
Okay I need a nap. All this exsang talk got me sleepy
marsh fjord
Okay I need a nap. All this exsang talk got me sleepy
you gonna go exsang in your sleep now
raw marlin
look exsang is an ex for a reason
marsh fjord
every dot tick you gotta turn around in your sleep
marsh fjord
look exsang is an ex for a reason
never go back to your ex true confirmed
rogue discord not only advice for wow but also dating
raw marlin
long nap there numbers
half light
idk it'd be interesting to know what would it take to make exsanguinate work and be competitive
hearty coral
Guys any good debuff tracker for dots? Or you really suggest me to use those weak auras ui? Thanks
raw marlin
Guys any good debuff tracker for dots? Or you really suggest me to use those wea...
weak auras ui?
like for abilities?
half light
didn't plater helped to track debuffs too?
hearty coral
ye that luthor is so popular but i don't really get how to use it properly
raw marlin
raid weakauras are annoying as hell
raw marlin
ye that luthor is so popular but i don't really get how to use it properly
you import it to weakaura
and then you look at it
that is literally it lol
hearty coral
but after i import it there appear like 12381832 icons and i get so confused im so dumb
marsh fjord
raid weakauras are annoying as hell
yeah but imagine doing mythic lockenstock and there isnt a weakaura telling you to do something.
thats cooked bro
raw marlin
but after i import it there appear like 12381832 icons and i get so confused im ...
the icons are just your abilities
hearty coral
i dont play since S1.. has things changed too much? on rotation and skills
raw marlin
i dont play since S1.. has things changed too much? on rotation and skills
ok but that isnt a weakaura problem
you still see abilities somewhere
hearty coral
ye XD.. just wanted to know
i know to become a better player i need to work a lot on my ui
what you see is very important
raw marlin
use 1 button rotation lol
hearty coral
use 1 button rotation lol
nooo way
raw marlin
marsh fjord
my previous name was 939756
raw marlin
lol
gray dirge
!build
marsh fjord
😄
raw marlin
what mod changed it tha tis hilarious
marsh fjord
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
marsh fjord
@gray dirge got you bro
raw marlin
lets ping @normal mist as he is playing ARAM in LoL and Aram sucks
raw marlin
he cant but that is why its funny
raw marlin
he is literally in it @normal mist
tbf though @marble hemlock is playing rimworld, which is amazing.. you playing oddeeyyssey?
marsh fjord
They gonna murder you with all the pings
raw marlin
i know but i only did it as they are on do not disturb haha
so they wont get notifications.. i hope
dont kill me
marble hemlock
hallow glade
raw marlin
but rimworld is goated
raw marlin
no this is a rimworld chat now numbers
marble hemlock
just imagine, youre in a house with 50 doors, and 2 of the doors have a "do not disturb" sign on them. so you knock and ring the bell on only those 2 doors.
marsh fjord
no this is a rimworld chat now numbers
im rimming you soon if you dont be careful
marble hemlock
<@210784027752398848> I saw you do stuff for raider.io is that true?
that is true, yes
raw marlin
just imagine, youre in a house with 50 doors, and 2 of the doors have a "do not ...
yh but to be fair, your name is green and green doors normally mean go..
raw marlin
odyssey?
half light
i saw a message disappear
marble hemlock
randy can go fuck himself sometimes
half light
LOL
raw marlin
i built a spaceship and i have a base on my little asteroid
marsh fjord
that is true, yes
If i want to report something wrong on the website is there a way to report it somewhere? i was searching for a guild but i couldnt fill in rogue it keeps auto returning to DK for some reason. and i hoped you mabye could put me into a right direction.
marble hemlock
If i want to report something wrong on the website is there a way to report it s...
we have a support team of awesome people, ye. whats the issue?
half light
the guild was "No Rogues Allowed"
marsh fjord
we have a support team of awesome people, ye. whats the issue?
Yeah that's what i explained. so i wanted to find a guild that search for rogues but it kept returning to DK
marble hemlock
just the recruitment form not working properly? would definitely reach out to support about that
marsh fjord
will do
raw marlin
If i want to report something wrong on the website is there a way to report it s...
well that is because you should not play rogue and play dk instead
all rogues swapped to dk now
makes sense
marsh fjord
raw marlin
working as intended
half light
so we can all use our raid cds
marble hemlock
but ye in any case
half light
Way of Exsanguination (passive): all dots tick 25% faster for everyone in the raid group, and last 25% longer
marble hemlock
memes aside, dont ping people for no reason, thanks
dnd means you dont get sound notifications, but you still very much get the ping
raw marlin
oh that
marble hemlock
half light
you get a numbern otification too
half light
and sometimes, if on windows, it blinks the task bar icon too
marsh fjord
oh no whishyp has a online notification is gonna murder us for talking about exsang earlier
you can ping me whenever you want
half light
death by an assassin
marsh fjord
so i feel wanted
raw marlin
@marsh fjord ok
marsh fjord
i need 1700 more market research for the black coat
worthy rose
are we talking about UI's
realistically to be doing good you only need maybe two full action bars
with keybinds
and the assassination weakaura pack
with whisypr's plater
raw marlin
and a gaming chair
worthy rose
that should set you up pretty good
never forget the gaming chair
thats how you get all your juju vibes
ripe bobcat
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
raw marlin
my plater i basically turn off every 'aura' or debuff/buff on the mobs now, its completely useless, noone looks at them lol
raw marlin
plater is the one thing i just cant change
marsh fjord
plater is gonna go away btw
raw marlin
i think ive used naowhs since sl season 1
marsh fjord
next expac
marsh fjord
because it reads wow files and thats gonna be forbidden next expac
raw marlin
yh i mean.. ill just quit
marsh fjord
same
raw marlin
not playing wow without elvui and weakauras lol
and by weakauras i mean like.. ability ones etc, not the shit ones for raid
they can go for all i care
marsh fjord
i dont use elvui anymore because it drops to much FPS. but i have a replacement that looks the same but without the FPS issues
marsh fjord
also in mythic raid?
raw marlin
yh
marsh fjord
well thats nice
raw marlin
spent far too much money on my pc
because i was getting spikes and it was annoying me lol
marsh fjord
Processor 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700K, 3400 Mhz, 16 Core(s), 24 Logical Processor(s)
this is what i have
raw marlin
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-14700KF, 3400 Mhz, 20 Core(s), 28 Logical Processor(s)
marsh fjord
with a 4070
raw marlin
5090
marsh fjord
yeah makes sense you are running it fine then 😄
raw marlin
<@308691441910153230> <@268843601935597573> 8 months without playing
do you have another AA meeting coming up
the rebound is real
marsh fjord
Goodnight my baddie
normal mist
do you have another AA meeting coming up
i don't drink
marsh fjord
Are you just spending time in league and waiting till new season @normal mist
raw marlin
i don't drink
but you do far worse
normal mist
i just wanted to play thresh
raw marlin
Aram Anonomous
normal mist
and got him twice in arams
raw marlin
Are you just spending time in league and waiting till new season <@2561884021169...
arent we all just wasting time until s3
marsh fjord
arent we all just wasting time until s3
true
normal mist
Besides wow i was only playing MH wilds, and i've literally done everything available
back to waiting for the next title update
normal mist
Monster Hunter yeah
normal mist
I've never played it but i love its community
coral ibex
lots of memes on social media
normal mist
Internet exists my man
worthy rose
blizz devs need to realize
how many people will quit if they have such a mad overhaul of the UI
like canning weakauras and plater etc
but also youve seen the speed at which blizzard impleents stuff and the quality at which its implemented at
i think asuming the addon purge coming in midnight is going to be very ambitious
blizz will find a way to delay it and fuck it up i bet @raw marlin
worthy rose
it will be absolutely abominable
coz we all know how dogshit the base UI is
theres no unfucking that in THIS short of a timespan
canning all addons next expansion will be suicidal for blizzard's dev team
marsh fjord
well they just can the ones that read stuff
elvui and so on
will stay
weakaraus will also stay. you cant just weakaura to read stuff
like events i mean
worthy rose
we'll have to see how it plays out
marsh fjord
damage meter is gonna be gone also 😄
worthy rose
we arent even playing wow anymore as we know it
we're prob ontl like wow 3 or wow4 at this point
if classic wow was wow 1
and burning crusade to wotlk era was wow1.5 or wow2
we're definitely in the age of wow3 or wow4 at the very least
game is unrecognizable to og uncs
like me
raw marlin
yh which is fine but we have this ass sytem.. like m+ is a lobby based game, so just let us queue game.. play, like a moba at this point
that is how we play it anyway lol
worthy rose
fuck me
if you dont have a solid group of friends to play with
it truly is que simulator
raw marlin
just like a moba
worthy rose
i dont know if its the smae with you guys but its damn near impossible to pug 15's and 16's and beyond
you NEED to have a group of friends
youll be sitting htere waiting for keys for hours
sitting in dornogal afk
raw marlin
yh you need friends
thorn thorn
like canning weakauras and plater etc
Needs to happen so people learn to play for themselves
And they also need to make base UI not crap
worthy rose
thats a lot to ask for from the current blizz team
thorn thorn
Base nameplates are bordering unusable in M+ because the information they give you is literally just a health bar
raw marlin
sitting in dornogal afk
its to the point our group wont play unless there is a full group of us to push keys lol
worthy rose
its to the point our group wont play unless there is a full group of us to push ...
yep
so now me and my friends just boost noobs for ingame gold
get our free wow gametime
i found rider to be better than sanlayn in some lower keys like 10-12
raw marlin
atm there is talk about us forming a 5man to push title which is somewhat easy with all of us and our xp but if 1 person leaves then we just hard dont ever play, then 1 more leaves etc and its end of season
worthy rose
shit just doesnt live long enough
raw marlin
our friend this tier has timed all 18s/19s and finds it hard to get invite to +12s for weekly in pugs lol
worthy rose
i think theres also alakc of incentive to push for mythic keys
raw marlin
its the dumbest system
worthy rose
dungeon drops are stale after +6
so who cares
and then mount at 2k or 3k
or whatever the markers are
thorn thorn
2k and 3k
worthy rose
so theres a mad fuckin gulf between 3k mount and world toppers
id say theres a bigger gap between 3k players and world topper than there is from a shitto noob to 3k
raw marlin
the problem is tanking and healing is so fucking boring/shit/unrewarding that noone plays it.. i am someone who has tanked high keys and healed high keys and i will never do it again because its so fucking boring
thorn thorn
The gap has been getting smaller with rewards incentivising people to push past gearing keys
worthy rose
next season doesnt seem to have anything between 3k to world topper again
the mount looks cool tho
think me and my friends will be able to get mad business from noobs wanting that mount
thorn thorn
3k mount was good idea
raw marlin
need m+ queue lol
thorn thorn
The gap will continue to be large unless they add something for after 3k
worthy rose
split between 4 people thats 200k each
250k each or something
thats about a wow token
thorn thorn
But they need to incentivise people to play healer and tank
raw marlin
that is such a waste of time lol
thorn thorn
They have the most responsibility but they are also the least fun to play
worthy rose
i mean we need the 8 dungeons anyway for vault justcuz
so might as well make some free gametime while we do it
carry some potato
raw marlin
that is like.. 250k gold for like 4+ hours of keys lol
raw marlin
buy wow token
raw marlin
push keys with friends
raw marlin
real money
yes?
normal mist
Why wasting real money
normal mist
Harunie idea is actually good
worthy rose
my point is we would still be doing the same 8 dungeons throughout the week
we might as well get some mney while doing it
raw marlin
id rather spend £200 on wow tokens each tier than 'boost' for like.. fucking £3 worth of gold an hour
thorn thorn
the problem is tanking and healing is so fucking boring/shit/unrewarding that no...
Healer is a metronome that constantly bounces between "falling asleep in my chair" and "my hands hurt from how many buttons i had to press"
worthy rose
the buyers are happy coz we are charging cheap rates
pretty sure overgeared if you paid realworld money works out ot be like 1.5 or 2mil for the buyer
to get hte same service
we providing half market rate for ingame gold
thorn thorn
But often for keys there are usually 1-3 realistic brick spots that end up being actual healer problems
raw marlin
Healer is a metronome that constantly bounces between "falling asleep in my chai...
99% of the time youre just a shit dps lol
worthy rose
we made our healer go voidweaver and prot warrior tank
raw marlin
we providing half market rate for ingame gold
yh id legit rather just buy gold lol
thorn thorn
Like candle king in dfc is a good example since if your healer is bad then the key is just dead on that fight
worthy rose
yh id legit rather just buy gold lol
understandable
but ur still playing the game all the same
worthy rose
but like
raw marlin
either we do keys that are fun, we piss about with friends or i dont play
thorn thorn
if you kow youre not getting to world top title holder
Thats pretty much the idea behind the 3k reward
And they should probably do a 3.5k or somewhere around there
But in DF it was a massive issue because you had KSM and KSH that were giga free, then portals as the sort of capstone reward that you would get
main bridge
whats the point of pushing
Is this a real question? Like any kind of competition is meaningless unless you’re at the top?
Absolutely ridiculous
raw marlin
whats the point of pushing
but also doing content that is actually hard so therefore we get better to then push in the future is also more fun than doing content that we did day 1 in month 6
thorn thorn
And then there was this massive valley of just nothing that was like a thousand rating between portal keys and title keys
And there was just nothing there
Your portal keys got you at a pretty firm like 2.8k
And in S3 title keys were pushing 4k score
So you had this massive gap between the last reward of any kind, and the next one
And it was mega cringe
main bridge
They should def add more rewards
thorn thorn
They should to give people reason to push score
main bridge
We saw a significant bump in key participation with the turbo boost rewards
thorn thorn
Cuz if you know you cant push title keys then 99% of the players in that boat wont
But if you attach a mount or cosmetics to some score number people will jump through endless hoops to get their hands on it
Something outside of just "be the best"
main bridge
Bring back challenge mode sets
normal mist
PvP does it pretty well up to 2.4
worthy rose
And they should probably do a 3.5k or somewhere around there
i agree
thorn thorn
We saw a significant bump in key participation with the turbo boost rewards
I would like to say 3k improved 12+ participation a lot but I have no data to support this statement
raw marlin
PvP does it pretty well up to 2.4
yh pvp is only not completely dead because of those rewards imo
worthy rose
we all play for different reasons i guess i dont see the point in doing harder content to not be rewarded
its just a game not my dayjob
normal mist
From 1000 to 1800 you gain pieces of the elite set (being the final two rewards, head and shoulders, at 1800) and then pvp illusion at 1950
thorn thorn
Thats kind of where im at
normal mist
Then at 2.1 a special backpiece
worthy rose
imagine if the mythic transmogs were unlocked in the same way for mythic dungeons and mythic rating
you either get the mythic gear as drop from raid
or you can unlock the transmog from like ratings up to 3200
thorn thorn
I have become a bit of a casual in this game now so I wont push for any sort of challenge unless there is an obtainable reward attached to it
worthy rose
that could be interestingm
worthy rose
I have become a bit of a casual in this game now so I wont push for any sort of ...
thats exactly me and my friends atm
so we just boost for free gametime
and fuck around
thorn thorn
If 3k mount didnt exist there is a 100% chance I would not be going for 3k
worthy rose
its kinda hilarious watching noobs play in the 12 dungeons
and get oneshot by dumb things
raw marlin
I have become a bit of a casual in this game now so I wont push for any sort of ...
the reward is having a laugh with your mates.. but unfortuantely that is getting harder to do too ha
thorn thorn
I would just be doing ports and calling it season
thorn thorn
the reward is having a laugh with your mates.. but unfortuantely that is getting...
We can do this on 10s-12s
worthy rose
theres been a lot of people whispering us lately for 3k
and 2k
its kinda surprising
thorn thorn
And arguably have more fun because we can goof off more
worthy rose
maybe word of mouth getting around how cheap our rates are
raw marlin
We can do this on 10s-12s
yeah we do.. but we can do 15s just as easily as 10s so.. why not try to do higher ones
thorn thorn
Cuz whats the point really
normal mist
yeah we do.. but we can do 15s just as easily as 10s so.. why not try to do high...
Because they are comfortable
thorn thorn
Outside of doing the challenge cuz its there
normal mist
At 10-12 range
thorn thorn
If you can do it then ydy
raw marlin
yh that is fine, if you want to do 10/12s then do them.. holy shit, im saying they are boring as fuck.. i dont play single player games on easy mode either
thorn thorn
But most people are gonna stick with just vibing 10-12s for memage keys
raw marlin
id read a book if i wanted easy
thorn thorn
Give me a 3.5k mount or tmog and ill push 3.5k
normal mist
yh that is fine, if you want to do 10/12s then do them.. holy shit, im saying th...
Ever thought you're not the majority of the playerbase tho
raw marlin
Ever thought you're not the majority of the playerbase tho
well nore are you
absolutely noone in here is
normal mist
But I am indeed closer than you xD
raw marlin
i bet youve played more than me in the last 6 months lol
normal mist
Arguable
raw marlin
Arguable
no you 100% have, ive played about 4 hours of this tier
and 1 hour of that was doing my ui
thorn thorn
There was some thing rio pushed out in DF but it was something like if you did +10s (20s at the time) and were timing them you were already above 80% of the playerbase
Turns out a lot of people at the time got stuck at 7s
normal mist
i bet youve played more than me in the last 6 months lol
But what does the time I played has to do with what I said before
raw marlin
But what does the time I played has to do with what I said before
cause you cant be more casual than someone who averages less than 1 minute of gametime per day?
thorn thorn
raw marlin
yeah? but skill doesnt determine how casual you are at the game?
thorn thorn
Sorry but there is 0% chance you are more casual than the dads in their 30s-40s that play the game professionally bad 7 days a week and always parse single digits
raw marlin
or is that what you mean?
thorn thorn
And dont even get aotc every season
normal mist
I mean skill yeah not in game time
raw marlin
And dont even get aotc every season
i bought my aotc this season tbf
thorn thorn
Casual is a mix of both
raw marlin
Sorry but there is 0% chance you are more casual than the dads in their 30s-40s ...
i mean im in my 30s lol
thorn thorn
You can be casual by being bad or casual by not investing a lot of time, but neither one individually cannot be more casual than both together
If they play for a few hours every season and are bad they are casual supremus
raw marlin
You can be casual by being bad or casual by not investing a lot of time, but nei...
im casual time wise, but i used to be a big sweaty nerd
thorn thorn
I used to be too but a couple of bad experiences put a bad taste in my mouth
Now im just casual, I play with guilds that struggle to get aotc
raw marlin
Now im just casual, I play with guilds that struggle to get aotc
id rather just not play the game
i think my guild is still like wr 500~
thorn thorn
I enjoy the chaos
thorn thorn
Instead of week 2 aotc its a gamble
raw marlin
let me log in 1 day a week and be done
thorn thorn
Do I get aotc on the 2nd month? 2nd to last month? last week of the season?
Who knows
normal mist
Now im just casual, I play with guilds that struggle to get aotc
Saaaame, I get curve with my guild every season and then just farm tmog
thorn thorn
But it dont matter to me
Cuz I could very easily pug and get aotc at any time
Cuz aotc is extremely free if you have a group that has a collective IQ of 90
raw marlin
i think ive got AOTC (except thsi tier when i bought it like 3 weeks ago) first or 2nd week since shadowlands
my main guild got HoF this tier
but i refuse to commit to actual raiding lol
its so boring
thorn thorn
Yea tbh I stopped giving a fuq about raiding after my mythic experience
It was in amirdrassil and we got stuck on igira for so fucking long
raw marlin
everyone is so toxic, id rather just play with 4 mates in m+
normal mist
its so boring
You just need the right group of people
thorn thorn
I wanted to rip my eyes out cuz there were like 6 or 7 of us that had the boss on download
And we had to wait for the other 2/3rds of the raid team to get the download too
raw marlin
You just need the right group of people
nah you dont, its the time
thorn thorn
And it was just pure, unrefined misery
raw marlin
perfect 19 people will still give me aids if its 2-3 days a week imo
normal mist
I don't raid mythic
normal mist
My guild takes it's time
raw marlin
i cant imagine 'progging' heroic
normal mist
And we have fun every week
raw marlin
that sounds so ass
normal mist
Because it honestly isn't about progress itself, but getting the time to gather every single homie and have fun in discord
thorn thorn
You can do it in raid too
thorn thorn
I would do it in mythic raid but I never will again
Because mythic guilds always got a bunch of dumb bs requirements
raw marlin
I have a guild of homies
then rotate the 4 people in m+ lol
raid part-time schedule is toxic
thorn thorn
thorn thorn
Most of us are 3k
Carry me 
normal mist
I played fury warrior this season
raw marlin
Most of us are 3k
yh but 3k is still fairly easy to get
thorn thorn
And by carry I mean please be competent in my groups
raw marlin
maybe im just clueless lol with what rating means anynmore
normal mist
13s/12s
thorn thorn
yh but 3k is still fairly easy to get
You say this but statistically a small % of the playerbase actually will get 3k
normal mist
For 3k
thorn thorn
You would be surprised the sheer volume of people that struggle to time 10s
Even at 680 and all the power we have gotten this season
thorn thorn
Like for people like us its free pickings
My groups was doing 10s second week of the season
But some people still cant do 10s this late in the season
raw marlin
i suspect well have all 12s done within the first week of season 3 by looking at the ilvl drops they give lol
dont even get upgrades until +7s
thorn thorn
Its like you are completely oblivious to the idea people are shit at the game
raw marlin
nah trust me
i know
i was shit at the game once
i mean i still am
compared to good players lol
raw marlin
but lets be real, most of the m+ top spec players are only there as they have a group that plays consistently together
swap that 1 dps spec for us and give us a season
and we sit in the top spec ranking
lol
i know this as ive seen it happen to people first hand, someone not even getting top 5% then gets into a group of people, they get top 5 spec rank
normal mist
I honestly enjoy my season loop:
- get curve;
- maybe do m+ (optional);
- farm all difficulty Tmog tiers;
Then peace out
thorn thorn
I think just in general the top players end up doing more harm for the community than good
Cuz people just take their word as gospel
nobody questions when Dorki says Pres is a shit healer even though they should because there are Pres players doing 20s currently
And Ry has gotten close to doing 21s
raw marlin
I honestly enjoy my season loop:
- get curve;
- maybe do m+ (optional);
- farm a...
yh, this season i
didnt play for 5 months
bought AOTC VIP run
do all portals and keys to 3k in 2 evenings
didnt log in again
season before was
get AOTC
first 4 mythic
portals and quit
raw marlin
nobody questions when Dorki says Pres is a shit healer even though they should b...
well people also said rogue was shit.. all went and played dk
then rogue (outlaw lol) finished above these streamers
thorn thorn
They just overestimate what "shit" actually means
raw marlin
i think casualaddict was crying for so long about rogue being shit but dk being boring but needed it to do keys for score and yet was behind the other rogue players like wtf dude
just go play rogue lol
normal mist
People always chasing "what's best" but never what "makes them feel cool"
I can't imagine rerolling 30 times a season
thorn thorn
The whole "whats best" always pisses me off tbh
raw marlin
i only get the argument like casual said if you are pugging and need invites, but he groups 99.9999% of the time anyway
thorn thorn
Cuz for the majority of people in this game just playing the spec you can actually play will be more output then whats considered op
With very few exceptions
normal mist
Even now with 1br
People are doing better than before
Especially the more casual players
normal mist
1 button rotation
thorn thorn
obr
raw marlin
Wun Buttun Rottatun
bronze pike
nobody questions when Dorki says Pres is a shit healer even though they should b...
florki
that was your first mistake
raw marlin
that was your first mistake
you say this but then i do wonder why they are regarded so highly but also so low at the same time.. is like, good players say all the top streamers are pretty shit but the shitters say they are good but then they are also top 50 all the time, (yeah they play 24/7 but w.e) but its not like elite footballers say ronaldo is shit lol.. its the same everywhere i go, go to a tank discord and naowh is shit yet is most acomplished tank in the game etc.
bronze pike
you say this but then i do wonder why they are regarded so highly but also so lo...
mostly due to their general autitude and habit of spreading misinfo
also consider
its their job
to stream wow so theyre gonna say anything and everything to get clicks
cause they survive on it alongside pushing super highend keys
raw marlin
to stream wow so theyre gonna say anything and everything to get clicks
yh i get that but naowh also then wins MDI or RWF etc.. so they arent just 'saying shit'
bronze pike
i just wouldnt take anything they say in ptr to heart cause it always changes weekly
bronze pike
yh i get that but naowh also then wins MDI or RWF etc.. so they arent just 'sayi...
i mean you can be a good player and say wrong stuff
its normal
and like
again reaching the heights of these players is more 70% time than anything else
im not making light of their acomplishments btw
raw marlin
no i agree obv its time related
but some people have as much time but fucking suck lol
raw marlin
they are very good players
tbf its not that impressive considering they play 17 hours a day everyday and do like 1 key level higher than peopel with full time jobs lol
bronze pike
dorki is known to pull by charging into the middle of packs
and exploding 40% of the time
but since he does it surely that means its a secret tech so you got every goober doing the same thing and bricking the key cause they explode
bronze pike
tbf its not that impressive considering they play 17 hours a day everyday and do...
its impressive in its own right
it just again, i wouldnt take anything people say in ptr to heart rn
especially people whose lively hood depends on clicks
and ragebait/tierlists
raw marlin
its impressive in its own right
oh im talking about whenever, not ptr lol
i dont find it that impressive
you play 15 hours more than me everyday but yet you are like 200 score above me
is kind of embarrassing in a way
bronze pike
oh i guess
idk
as long as your not doing anything morally bad, and keeping healthy and being a good person
raw marlin
i mean they are morally bad.. dorki plays naked
bronze pike
i frankly dont give a shit about how you spend your free time. its your life fren if that makes you happy
i fail to see how thats morally bad
raw marlin
who plays naked
main bridge
me
main bridge
you get more IO if you time a key while naked
it's immoral to play with clothing. a crutch
bronze pike
im half naked rn cause its hot as balls
raw marlin
im half naked rn cause its hot as balls
half morally bad and half morally good = morally fine
raw marlin
it's immoral to play with clothing. a crutch
do your balls not stick to your chair?
main bridge
no you gain levitation once you get into title range IO
it was annoying before but then i got good
clever heron
If you aren't playing WoW naked, what are you doing with your life?
raw marlin
playing wow dressed
raw marlin
i cant imagine anything worse
runic hinge
Good morning
raw marlin
thorn thorn
you say this but then i do wonder why they are regarded so highly but also so lo...
They have earned their rep but they arent always right and people need to realize that
Obviously its fine to be wrong sometimes, its human nature but the general pop takes everything the streamers and top players say as absolute truth
Like if naowh said tomorrow that eating cat shit would make you a better vdh im 100% certain some people would try it
worthy rose
to be fair
most wow players arent good
80% would be better off just pressing the one button rotation probably
then the remaining 15% would prob do better if they knew the game
the remaining 5% are fighting amongst themselves to be relevant in the streamer world
the top 1% just get around doing what they do on their own terms
its a pyramid
half light
so should i eat it or not
worthy rose
to eat or not to eat that is the question
main bridge
probably not eat
vital flicker
damn they took this ptr delve trinket out back and old yeller'd it
marble hemlock
dw its gonna get another 200% buff 17minutes before maintenance finishes
vital flicker
they left the other one though
marsh fjord
WOOP WOOP
main bridge
you're now in The Matrix
worthy rose
can someone tell me
if the rogue bis trinkets are dungeonable or is it from raid
next season
marsh fjord
if the rogue bis trinkets are dungeonable or is it from raid
that depends on tuning broski
so gotta wait a few weeks
worthy rose
i cri
my impatience
i wanna know what to main next season
dk or rogue
depending on how easy the bis gear is to get
marsh fjord
Are both geared?
marsh fjord
Then it doesnt matter to wait right. because you will know before release @worthy rose
worthy rose
true true
marsh fjord
But i understand you want to know i also want to know but gotta wait sadge
lusty narwhal
Not bad at all
worthy rose
But i understand you want to know i also want to know but gotta wait sadge
what i really want to know tho is how frost will settle down as a spec for dk
coz atm unholy got nerfed to shit so far
and frost going through mad reworks
dk is in an unstable place rn
kinda sad
marsh fjord
I think frost will be spec next season after the bursting sores change I don’t think unholy will be good
But who knows
worthy rose
yeah
thats what i think all of us are thinking too on the dk server
i been putting in work to learn frost as a psec but atm in this season frost is so underwhelming
gambler psec with all the procs
marsh fjord
Is stormy still in there
worthy rose
might as well just follow hekili
spend so much time watching for procs its a waste of brainpower
and a distraction
stormy?
marsh fjord
Yeah it’s a dk figure
worthy rose
not sure im a fairly recent addition to the class discords
marsh fjord
Ahhh
worthy rose
rogue discord has got to be the most friendly and nicest place to be around tho
main bridge
spend so much time watching for procs its a waste of brainpower
how is watching hekili light up buttons any different?
at least if you learned what the procs are you'd have some clue of what you're doing
worthy rose
coz like
hekili will just tell you waht to press
and take sthe guesswork out of it
coz if im normally doing it
i gotta keep alternating frost strike to get a rime for howling blast
or a killing machine for oblit
instead of having to watch for either to pop up
i could just listen to hekili and full send to whatever it tells me to do
sure its not entirely ideal but it takes a distraction away
main bridge
mastering all of that is what is satisfying about learning your spec, imo
worthy rose
can be
i just want to clear dungeons and get my loot
i dont play to play i play to get to the end
main bridge
well, knowing what you are doing helps you clear dungeons faster and it will help you play with people who are also good at clearing dungeons
if you go around doing the worst dps in the group you probably won't be invited back
worthy rose
yeah but listening do hekili doesnt necesarily mean you do bad dps
knowing what the spec is plus also having hekili is like driving a racecar with traction control still assisting you
spark rain
@balmy condor are we happy or are we sad for next patch?
worthy rose
you could go full manual and send yourself crashing into a tire wall
or you could have hekili be there as a safety
left pine
knowing what the spec is plus also having hekili is like driving a racecar with ...
Well I hit rank 2 world as outlaw on M vexie couple months ago
severe gale
Any good tips on how to best apply garrote and rupture in AOE successfully?
As it is now I miss a lot of GCDs either tabbing or looking at nameplates finding them.
Is there any Plater profile that switches color depending on if the mobs have garotte and or rupture applied?
balmy condor
simply don't tab
wraith girder
Any good tips on how to best apply garrote and rupture in AOE successfully?
As ...
I use this Plater MOD and change the border so I still see that nameplate color which shows me who is a caster and so on. https://wago.io/Mw6LTDegY
And then this for the Pandemic Glow: https://wago.io/7WdzuLvf2
severe gale
Aight, will try it out. Thanks for the help!
runic hinge
simply don't tab
I won’t get rank 1 unless I perfectly apply bleeds
grim jay
simply don't tab
People are OBSESSED with it
Gotta feel the 0.1% increase stonks
After losing 10% to suboptimal play elsewhere
(for legal reasons, totally made up the numbers)
grim jay
I won’t get rank 1 unless I perfectly apply bleeds
You will always be rank 1, you got deez nugz
balmy condor
will do
grim jay
Will most definitely help Whispyr
static glacier
zenith elm
Good morning Fellow Rogues
pure moth
Hi
drifting cedar
Hello
zenith elm
Just did crazy shits on battlegrounds, i'm happy
pliant remnant
As long as you wiped afterwards
frank hollow
hey is there a m+ build for ptr?
balmy condor
same as live
shy axle
no difference to live
balmy condor
assa gets no changes, so neither do the builds
subtle tundra
🥳
subtle tundra
perfectly designed
frank hollow
ty
frank hollow
same as live
ty. hows assa doing so far in the new raid on ptr?
balmy condor
no, and if there would be, it would not be useful
balmy condor
yeah I mean either you're going to use the sims to compare across classes, which is a terrible idea
or you're going to use the sims to look at untuned gear, which is also a terrible idea
so even if I had sims, it's just lose/lose
frank hollow
😄 ok
snow hamlet
Bm 7mil st... demo 6,9 st
big numbers are common in PTR, you will get used to them and don't need to take them seriously
midnight mist
so even if I had sims, it's just lose/lose
ok send sim tho
subtle tundra
if you dont play mage youre missing out
static glacier
if you dont play mage youre missing out
you're saying this like mage hasn't been broken since cata
subtle tundra
literally exactly what i meant
indigo mulch
so even if I had sims, it's just lose/lose
Did i hear sims?
red schooner
Did i hear sims?
No
indigo mulch
rotund oak
golden loom
slim hamlet
Hey gang. How much in like actual gameplay did assa really change from dragonflight like 10.2. Is it pretty similar or vastly different. Mostly for raid
midnight mist
Assassination one trick 
slim hamlet
I decided to try that weeb game
Pretty good, but now looking to go wow again for 11.2 just deciding spec currently
iron carbon
Welcome back, I guess
red schooner
I decided to try that weeb game
Another one fell victim to unamusume 
slim hamlet
Love horse girl game
red schooner
Oh no
iron carbon
But it's the same as DF, Kingsbane less strong, got a new viable bleeds build and only one hero talent playable
slim hamlet
I see
Can we still just rock spatter as only change for cleave in raids and be good?
iron carbon
Yep
halcyon flame
assa gets no changes, so neither do the builds
Is there a reason I feel a lot better on bleed build than the normal envenom spam build ?
subtle tundra
Assassination one trick <:Susge:1008456341091786902>
hoe
midnight mist
Wtff
iron carbon
Is there a reason I feel a lot better on bleed build than the normal envenom spa...
Easier to play, you deal a lot of damages even with low health target in pulls
midnight mist
Don't be toxic please vorace
subtle tundra
Don't be toxic please vorace
miau
halcyon flame
@iron carbon Ive done only 12s on live is thats why ?
Does the other build scale with harder content idk
iron carbon
It is
spice spire
What the hell is Whispyrs server tag <a:huh:1010649403574460416>
It’s his guild
iron carbon
Yes and no
subtle tundra
It’s his guild
can i join SUBS
iron carbon
Damages profile are differents
spice spire
can i join SUBS
When there was a split between horde and alliance they had the horde (DOMs) and alliance (subs)
So technically yes
halcyon flame
Damages profile are differents
Yep ,bleed build is crimson mostly for me and the other one caustic first then envenom
slim hamlet
Wait I could just look at the builds, but is double vanish real or did it stay a meme
spice spire
Dead on my screen and subs
spice spire
Wait I could just look at the builds, but is double vanish real or did it stay a...
Real
iron carbon
Yep ,bleed build is crimson mostly for me and the other one caustic first then e...
No, I mean, bleeds deals big AoE and hybrid spread damages
If you slam big envenom on one target cuz others are dead or you don't stand your whole DM/KB cuz target die fast
You' ll deal less
halcyon flame
Yeah ..
iron carbon
I prefer hybrid but bleeds is playable to 20 so...
halcyon flame
I like the hybrid ,but idk with what groups I play I deal less damage overall ,only single is bigger
halcyon flame
Ye next season I go bigger, I started late this seas
normal mist
I like the hybrid ,but idk with what groups I play I deal less damage overall ,o...
!bleed
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
normal mist
The answer to your questions
iron carbon
Damn Royal
halcyon flame
Ty ty
iron carbon
I was thinking about you