Yeah gotta make a team of friends
#assassination
thorn thorn
I think there should be more rewards in the rating system if not for encouraging more people to push past gearing level keys
raw marlin
people wont care anyway
thorn thorn
Speak for yourself
raw marlin
lock highest ilvl to +10s, noone will do higher.. lock it to 15s and noone will do them anyway lol
thorn thorn
If there was stuff at 3.5k I will push for it
raw marlin
90% of raiders just do min level of m+
raw marlin
If there was stuff at 3.5k I will push for it
yh youre 1 person though
waxen oyster
honestly too much
marsh fjord
its this i think
thorn thorn
Thats the one yea
waxen oyster
look how pvp participation dropped
raw marlin
m+ gives enough gear
im saying raiders (the bulk of people) only do it for gear so they wont push for a mount or title or w.e as they already dont care about it anyway
waxen oyster
after they stopped making good cosmetics
thorn thorn
look how pvp participation dropped
Cuz pvp sucks ass to play
The cosmetics are keeping it on life support
raw marlin
look how pvp participation dropped
well yh and pvp is awful
marsh fjord
Main goal of people going to 3k is something cosmectic if you put rating behind nothing, people dont have a incentive to do anything
waxen oyster
because he takes backshots
thorn thorn
yh youre 1 person though
I know a lot of people that would push 3.5k for cosmetics and mount rewards
waxen oyster
Yeah cosmetics are a huge motivation
raw marlin
I know a lot of people that would push 3.5k for cosmetics and mount rewards
just be more shitters in pugs though lets be real
normal mist
I know a lot of people that would push 3.5k for cosmetics and mount rewards
Probably me
normal mist
I'm reward driven
raw marlin
i mean title in m+ is a reward
normal mist
A shitty one
raw marlin
people dont push for it
thorn thorn
just be more shitters in pugs though lets be real
As usual but it gets play count up and inevitably some of them will stay and improve
raw marlin
nah titles are the best rewards lol
thorn thorn
people dont push for it
???
waxen oyster
title should not be acc wide
normal mist
Because for you to push it you need to waste your fucking life
waxen oyster
at most class
normal mist
And be unemployed
thorn thorn
?????
raw marlin
??????????
thorn thorn
Ya cuz you need unemployment hours to compete with title keys
normal mist
Their job is to push 18h a day
thorn thorn
They probably do
normal mist
I'm not hating on people who push R1 m+ title but, holy moly they must have more than 24h a day
waxen oyster
is healthy time
thorn thorn
The race is the only one
keen spruce
I think esports in general is pretty Dookey revenue
thorn thorn
League, Dota and Sc2 still got it pretty well
raw marlin
I'm not hating on people who push R1 m+ title but, holy moly they must have more...
no i hate them
keen spruce
I mean actual revenue for the orgs, not the health of the game itself
normal mist
I might go back to lol for a few arams
thorn thorn
Aram is fun
keen spruce
I'm not hating on people who push R1 m+ title but, holy moly they must have more...
Can confirm 16 hours a day was not enough
keen spruce
thorn thorn
REAL
keen spruce
Although about 8 of those were waiting in lfg
raw marlin
title isnt even hard, i can legit get title in about 6 hours - just know people who will invite you to keys, do each key once = done
main bridge
then do it
waxen oyster
thank fuck
keen spruce
Just time title keys 4head
waxen oyster
in a ditch where it belongs
main bridge
i feel like you've never had title and probably never will if you think it's something you do once and then you're done
thorn thorn
People still play aug tho cuz spec isnt hard to do well on but the bad ones need their hands cut off or something idk
raw marlin
ive never actualyl tried to push title because i know ill just get mad bored if its just without a group, id rather a group of shitters that all grow together than some random pugs who 1 shot all keys.. its boring
thorn thorn
I never will push title because I do not have the time to do the grind they do
thorn thorn
I would rather die
normal mist
A reminder we're probably talking about people who play in 21/22s
thorn thorn
tbh
normal mist
They are playing a different game
main bridge
also use defensives before jumping in the adds
nah i'll just jump in, die, and then leave the key
normal mist
Based
main bridge
maybe say "shit healer" before i leave
jaunty matrix
nah i'll just jump in, die, and then leave the key
you're a dh aren't you
main bridge
humble verge
only reason i got it is cause i did some runs with echo lol
waxen oyster
BIG
jaunty matrix
so we can escape from all the animals
waxen oyster
that class is so easy
humble verge
lol
jaunty matrix
that go dh for fotm and just int every key they are in
waxen oyster
just dont invite anyone that plays male nelf
why would you ever play male nelf
when female exists
jaunty matrix
why would you ever play male
waxen oyster
why would you ever play male
true
jaunty matrix
but we have people who play dracthyr
so males are not that bad after all
there is always dracthyr that's worse
waxen oyster
male dracthyr
main bridge
my rogue is a male mag'har orc
jaunty matrix
no they are not
raw marlin
dracthyr is the worst race ive ever seen
the transmog is fucking useless
fucking weeb fucks
jaunty matrix
male dracthyr are femboy zoomer face and greek god body
raw marlin
OHH NEW SHOULDERS
normal mist
fucking weeb fucks
Rude
main bridge
the transmog is the worst part of dracthyr
normal mist
And you're talking about evokers
waxen oyster
i think no one stays in dragon form
raw marlin
And you're talking about evokers
same thing
normal mist
Dracthyr can use human form
jaunty matrix
female dracthyr look like their chest is aged 100 times more than the rest of their body and the rest of their body looks like they eat mcdonalds for dinner every day
normal mist
Because they can
waxen oyster
female dracthyr look like their chest is aged 100 times more than the rest of th...
thats kultiran
jaunty matrix
no
raw marlin
i can shit in a cup but that doesnt mean i should
normal mist
Also why the weeb hate, they are pretty cool
waxen oyster
doesnt tending fields make you not have a gut
normal mist
I guess I know why you don't have a m+ team now
jaunty matrix
not if you still drink beer
raw marlin
I guess I know why you don't have a m+ team now
cause im not a weeb
makes sense in wow tbh ha
jaunty matrix
normal mist
With that attitude, being a weeb is the least of the problems xD
waxen oyster
people who play straightback got issues
humble verge
damn almost sub 18 rook
waxen oyster
thrall is also a bitch
raw marlin
thrall is also a bitch
woahh
jaunty matrix
the green jesus will bitch slap you
raw marlin
thrall will whoop you
main bridge
thrall is also a bitch
raw marlin
waxen oyster
https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-910807521467777761...
hey no slurs
its Br*tish
main bridge
classic is over brah
raw marlin
but i wanna run around for 2 hours before i die in some mine
and then dont play again for 12 months
normal mist
like wtf are they gone
I believe you gotta choose that in game
raw marlin
is mop worth playing?
normal mist
I'm not on PC right now but when you are in the login screen you'll have like a "game mode" on top or something
And go from there
main bridge
is mop worth playing?
i dunno maybe if you like how things were then
raw marlin
i dunno maybe if you like how things were then
i played for about 30 minutes as a teenager, i have no idea lol
is rogue broken?
raw marlin
by fun do you mean.. ill destroy people
normal mist
Basically
raw marlin
that sounds fun
waxen oyster
They probably dont give you og subterfugr
where you were not targetable
until it ended
raw marlin
so its not fun?
normal mist
Old subterfuge: once you come out of stealth you can use stealth abilities for 3 seconds WHILE still in stealth
Aka you're stealthed in combat
waxen oyster
mop also had paralytic poison
normal mist
For 3? Seconds
waxen oyster
the stacking debuff stun
raw marlin
wait, if i dont have a max level toon already
im fucked for next week right lo
l
Im not paying £65 for a boost
normal mist
Dungeon spam
waxen oyster
Idk to me
raw marlin
that sounds incredibly boring
raw marlin
classic is meant to be about 'the world' to then just dungeon spam like retail sounds aids
viscid spear
only reason i got it is cause i did some runs with echo lol
I play on Mal'ganis, I just don't have connections
normal mist
Then do classic leveling
viscid spear
raw marlin
Then do classic leveling
in 1 day?
normal mist
Idk, try it
raw marlin
that means no
normal mist
What's the rush about?
raw marlin
well ill stop playing the second s3 comes out
humble verge
I play on Mal'ganis, I just don't have connections
only reason is like
waxen oyster
thats 2 weeks
humble verge
he was in Method before
i met him like 3 am in an ara kara last tier
and he needed some crests Okayge
raw marlin
he was in Method before
I used to raid with the GF of one of the players in method, still there now.. used to do keys with him lol
raw marlin
nice, i have him and lorgok that is my claim to fame
raw marlin
go play osrs
humble verge
get something to do
thorn thorn
i have nothing to do
Gear an alt
marsh fjord
never coudnt really get into osrs
marsh fjord
Loop have you ever played DN?
raw marlin
i dont even play it but everyone and their mum plays it
raw marlin
Loop have you ever played DN?
deeznuts?
golden loom
Osrs good
raw marlin
i dont play with deeznuts
raw marlin
have you ever played with my balls?
raw marlin
raw marlin
Sadly not
but seriosuly im in the same boat, i have no idea what to play until Season 3 lol
bg3 is too long, and i ahve 200 hours in it.. every other RPG sucks dick
no good RPG/base building games anymore either
its a sad world
humble verge
but seriosuly im in the same boat, i have no idea what to play until Season 3 lo...
i leveled up and geared another rogue
gonna gear a 3rd one
and then level and gear a 4th one
:3
marsh fjord
i might level other rogue to learn sub
humble verge
2nd was more for splits tho
raw marlin
my main rogue isnt even max level, i didnt play this season
logged on, got boosted for all ports/score and then logged off
played for like 2 evenings
raw marlin
yeah friends just tanked them for me, the sad thing is
i was 30ilvls below the other dps and out dpsing them
like wtf
marsh fjord
That common nowadays lol
humble verge
assa is just too op
raw marlin
and just only play 1 button rotation lol
raw marlin
assa is just too op
bro they were DKs, mages etc.
humble verge
reread what i said
marsh fjord
The guild im in gonna all do a alt run heroic next week with 1 button to see how thay parse
i can't be bothered lol
raw marlin
reread what i said
i cant read, let alone reread
raw marlin
The guild im in gonna all do a alt run heroic next week with 1 button to see how...
yh seems pointless but 1 button mage seems fun
cause it means i dont have to do shit lol
is the riot mmo still a thing btw?
raw marlin
i am already old
marsh fjord
god damn grandpa
waxen oyster
mage players are almost never good
raw marlin
that is true
did anyone see the max video of him watching sco watch preach
and sco would go 'that is true'
actually cracked me up lol
waxen oyster
The few ok ones usually are all wearing
marsh fjord
hahaha yeah i know what you mean
raw marlin
legit mage gnome is just.. so good for some reason
waxen oyster
Idk for me its just
raw marlin
its the only class that is a gnome lol
hoary remnant
Are the latest buffs to rogue on ptr raidbots already in?
balmy condor
don't think so, would have to hit datamining first in order to get pulled
not that it matters much, shit is still a mess
onyx mesa
hey new to rouge here. i play DK and not use to all this extra tracking. whos got a good video or time to help me learn outlaw or assassination
hoary remnant
not that it matters much, shit is still a mess
Yeah just curious. Some classes have some apls already loaded in latest on it
polar rampart
i need to know now, it's important
hoary remnant
hey new to rouge here. i play DK and not use to all this extra tracking. whos go...
Start with one spec at a time. They all 3 play pretty differently. Like outlaw is fury on steroids assa is a dot class and sub has the highest st burst in the game and does tank dps outside of cds.
wanton nest
What's the assas m+build atm for higher keys?
balmy condor
cleave
cursive willow
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elfin valley
anyone got any tips for doing an 8 mask clear cause im getting shit on once i hit the mage district, currently running bleed build for it
desert spire
anyone got any tips for doing an 8 mask clear cause im getting shit on once i hi...
Bate the guy (void guy) first and solo him. Then kill the casters and thin out the little adds.
Have to take the packs slow.
I normally go left and clear that pack on the left and head back right because normally I will have a hogger spawn I save vanish for him so I can blow him up.
elfin valley
ty
rotund oak
hey new to rouge here. i play DK and not use to all this extra tracking. whos go...
Purple name on the right upper side of your discord ''Whispyr''
type that on your youtube,check his channel
also check his guide(wowhead)
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elfin valley
i did it tyvm moku
dire mauve
sometimes when building cp for my darkest night envenom, im at 6cp. what should i do to get that last one? refresh garrote early? be a little wasteful with one more mutilate?
coral ibex
mutilate unless garrote is in pandemic
dire mauve
thanks!
buoyant herald
wasn't there a condition for FoK in that scenario due to smaller energy cost being worth the lower damage?
balmy condor
no
buoyant herald
must be confusing it with some other time we ripped a dry FoK
balmy condor
if anything you could garrote early but that's awkward and whack and not really any better
frank trench
do you guys go raid build or do like bleed when fighting underpin
hexed frost
On a scale of 1-10 how likely are we going to be playing the same build for keys in next season?
elfin valley
do you guys go raid build or do like bleed when fighting underpin
bleed so i can just dot and kick
keen spruce
On a scale of 1-10 how likely are we going to be playing the same build for keys...
there's gonna be a build that is best for 99% of people
then there's gonna be another build that 99% of people ask about
frank trench
is there a kick?
keen spruce
that only like 10 people need to be using at the highest keys
and it's gonna be a very silly conversation every time
until whispyr makes a pin
then it'll be a lot of spamming the command to tell people about it
polar rampart
he needs to hurry, or i might have to ping him
main bridge
do it you won't
hexed frost
I kinda miss the cleave build from DF
Hope they Nerf CT into oblivion
Better? Remove it entirely
Buff spatter by 50%
runic hinge
I would think almost no one shares that opinion, not everyone just wants to do their st roation for aoe, or have zero aoe finisher and just evenom spam in all scenarios
royal hazel
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winged sun
Hope they Nerf CT into oblivion
cooked
iron carbon
wouldn't that just be a huge nerf to ST?
Removing CT will be a ST nerf? I missed something?
umbral sierra
Removing CT will be a ST nerf? I missed something?
big nerf to prio target dam for sure
and on 2 mob cleaves
iron carbon
Indeed
umbral sierra
but also bc ct does 20% more the more targets affected
u get alot more prio target dam even if ur just pading with ct
iron carbon
Kekw
umbral sierra
I would think almost no one shares that opinion, not everyone just wants to do t...
also this tbh
like imagine removing black powder from sub
iron carbon
Okay, so CT doesn't do prio damages, It just do damages
umbral sierra
ct makes u do 2% more dam to all targets on it+ it does damage to them, making ur singular focus do more prio target dam
iron carbon
7% on main target
balmy condor
the increased damage per target hit is large prio
umbral sierra
bc its 1 a 2% dam buff on prio target and 2 its doing more aoe dam which feeds into singular focus
balmy condor
a CT on 2 targets beats out an envenom in terms of damage
iron carbon
ct makes u do 2% more dam to all targets on it+ it does damage to them, making u...
I didn't think of the increase of singular focus, my apologies
umbral sierra
I didn't think of the increase of singular focus, my apologies
nah ur good broski
warm vortex
Ok so i took a look at wowhead for bleed. Is the main rota diffrence between it and hybrid is using shiv on cd?
Or do you want to garrote and rupture everything? I assume it's just 5 rups and gars, CT, then enven mashing with spatter, or am i reading it wrong?
Also ofc staying above 50% energy in ST and using CT there too
shy axle
the 50% energy thing is not always in st and just under some circumstances. Sometimes it is worth to rupture more and gar is always a strong builder when buffed
the sb 50% energy is also only like 0.2 gain iirc
royal lantern
warm vortex
Oh lmaoi
I was gonna play hybrid anyway, but as imma just do gera on lower keys i might as well play bleed
At least that's what i was thining? But idk how much that sentiment holds up
warm vortex
Oh really?
It's the easier one?
I thought it would be the harder one as i originally thought you'd have to bleed more htings
Which you might? I'm still confused
True
Nothing better than popping both KB and DM and that thing dying in like 9 seconds
normal mist
Have you ever played affliction?
warm vortex
Nop
normal mist
Bleed - Apply ruptures and garrotes to every living target + CT and DM a big target, BRRRRRR // If not in a IC window, garrote only main target, rupture many targets, CT
Also CT in ST as well
Bleed build is focused on having... bleeds spread
warm vortex
EVERY living target?
I assume if it's a big pull you just wanna get 5 though right
Like first pull of floodgate
Or
Do you get 5
CT
then keep going
normal mist
bleed build = bleeds good
warm vortex
Ye
But im just thinking
do we do CT once Scent has max stacks, then return to spreading
Once everything has spready, do the enven stuff whilst maintaining CT
balmy condor
yes
potent lance
CT nerf is how much bad for m+? How much damage loss?
warm vortex
Read pins
balmy condor
not a nerf
potent lance
Still insane AOE damages?
normal mist
potent lance
Ah kk
warm vortex
not a nerf
Also hiiii whispyyy
potent lance
Do we have any sims for before nerf and after nerf too CT?
balmy condor
the same
warm vortex
Alr
Might give it a go later, both hybrid and bleed :>
balmy condor
it will be the same as when you last played
icy geyser
does anyone have a plater mod that changes nameplate colours on the targets you have bleeds applied? for exemple if you have garrote only, make it yellow, rupture+garrote = orange, rupture+garrote+ct = red, smoething like that
zenith elm
Good afternoon fellow rogues
normal mist
!wa
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we have some plater profiles here
zenith elm
has anyone seen some trinket buffs/ nerfs from PTR?
balmy condor
hard to see something that doesn't exist
bronze pike
pliant remnant
zenith elm
hard to see something that doesn't exist
Just wanted to make sure, thx bro
indigo mulch
I still find it kind of weird or funny that they decided that fatebound was going to be unplayable for an entire expansion. I assumed they would fix it one way or another.
prisma cypress
remember when subtlety was unplayable for like 2 whole expansions after they removed shuriken combo
never assume
indigo mulch
It is what it is.
warm vortex
Also, for lower keys, Bleed is better i'd assume
wooden timber
Good afternoon fellow rogues
spice surge
I still find it kind of weird or funny that they decided that fatebound was goin...
And the issues were instantly apparent the second it came up on the alpha. "hey why does fatebound nerf itself on aoe"
"hey why does sub get only eviscerate buffed on aoe as deathstalker"
We got a halfbaked rework in 10.2 so we dont get any work for an entire expansion ig
red schooner
And the issues were instantly apparent the second it came up on the alpha. "hey ...
I had hope for changes in 11.2 - the hope is still there but its on life support now.
indigo thicket
am i the only one that doesnt care about fatebound and think its ok to just let it die?
red schooner
am i the only one that doesnt care about fatebound and think its ok to just let ...
I want a viable option for sin so I don't have to fight with the mark.
pliant remnant
I mean sure, but it'd be more fun and interesting to have more than one usable hero tree
indigo thicket
since conception it just seemed janked and we will probably get a new tree in total for midnight (hopefully)
pliant remnant
Maybe not Fatebound but something
red schooner
I don't enjoy having to juggle the mark in multi target fights, I would like the ability to ignore the mark and play the other hero tree.
But fatebound on those fights is just griefing so
indigo thicket
agreed tho, target swapping with dsm is wonky but aside from that its a fun loop they added to rogue and i feel like even in its worst form its so much better than flipping a damn coin
grim jay
agreed tho, target swapping with dsm is wonky but aside from that its a fun loop...
fast target swapping if the timing is bad is wonky*
actual target swapping where not everything melts is pretty fine
especially if you can muster 2 more braincells on timed spawns
subtle tundra
why would anyone be complacent with having actual dog diarrhea for one hero talent and normal dogshit for the other
why not ask for something other than poop
grim jay
why would anyone be complacent with having actual dog diarrhea for one hero tale...
tbf most of them are dogshit, the only classes where I somewhat like the hero talents are dk and mage
subtle tundra
ww is good?
shadopan is the simple variation
and conduit enables 1.5min spec and has a more complex rotation
just giving example that i played
grim jay
oh ye WW is fine aswell
forgot about that one
mage is also only good because of the visuals and it kinda feels a certain way
its not really interesting
winged quail
Most classes have boring trees at worst, it’s rare they get a hero talent that makes the spec worse to play like rogue does
DS on Sub especially is just like ????
grim jay
DS on Sub especially is just like ????
its one special case
winged quail
its one special case
Making Assa the single worst target swapping spec in the game is great gameplay, I love when my herotalent (evergreen feature btw!!!) makes my spec more clunky
west crown
They just wanted to give us the classic rogue feel of no cp switching. Creature a problem they already know how to fix to make us think they are working later.
grim jay
Making Assa the single worst target swapping spec in the game is great gameplay,...
sin sucks at swapping either way
winged quail
sin sucks at swapping either way
exactly, which is why they didn't need to make it worse
grim jay
it isnt worse
it just sucks either way
and important swaps that actually live longer require 2 extra braincells
winged quail
and an extra finisher, and at least two extra builders
grim jay
????
you just do whatever you would do anyways and just pool a bit with DN coming up
nothing extra
you dont even lose anything
winged quail
except you need to apply DN and then rupture to get your hero talent working and then apply caustic, or you rupture then DN to get caustic up before you have a functioning hero talent
which delays your swap by a finisher
grim jay
so whats your point? you can just stay on main target, prep for having the last mark, build cp, rupture the add if it spawns, build with the pooled energy, rupture or DN the boss to consume the last stack and then just go at it on the add
thats not any less uptime on anything compared to staying on the boss
pliant remnant
All I know is that rogue has a LOT of players right now, so clearly they're doing something right 
grim jay
and you just deal with what a dot spec always had to deal with
grim jay
All I know is that rogue has a LOT of players right now, so clearly they're doin...
rogue never had a lot of players
even if they would ever do everything right, I doubt there would be many
even while rogue was "meta" for short periods, there never were MANY rogues
rogue is dealing with stigmas that arent the case for years now and its just not a popular theme anymore
winged quail
so whats your point? you can just stay on main target, prep for having the last ...
the point is that swapping targets requires building to full after a rupture, all the while we are sitting on DN with no functioning hero talent whereas before (DF) we would rupture and swap immediately without having to think about it at all. DS as a hero talent introduces extra friction where it didn't need to exist. I's not the worst for Assa but it's not good either
grim jay
the point is that swapping targets requires building to full after a rupture, al...
thats literally the same you would do in ST? you sit the exact same time on DN
winged quail
thats literally the same you would do in ST? you sit the exact same time on DN
i cba
raw marlin
ww is good?
huh.. i mained ww monk last tier and its not fine, its boring as fuck lol
raw marlin
rogue is dealing with stigmas that arent the case for years now and its just not...
its because the world is now dead, rogue is great for leveling/open wpvp/exploring etc
if youre just outright fighting rogue loses its charm
spice surge
It was never popular
raw marlin
It was never popular
honestly my first ever character was a rogue back in actual vanilla wow
so ive always been biased to it lol
spice surge
thats literally the same you would do in ST? you sit the exact same time on DN
You wouldnt sit for 10 seconds with DN up on St no
grim jay
You wouldnt sit for 10 seconds with DN up on St no
you dont either that way????
spice surge
If you wanted to swap to it you would yes
grim jay
no
spice surge
Like on ansurek or any other boss where it goes immune and jumps away too
winged quail
Like on ansurek or any other boss where it goes immune and jumps away too
just have ads spawn exactly when you consume your last mark every time idiot, it's that simple
grim jay
boss going away is a different case
grim jay
just have ads spawn exactly when you consume your last mark every time idiot, it...
or just dont be dented and pool while its still up
spice surge
Depending on timing with DN you either need to hold DN for 10+ seconds or lose your mark
spice surge
boss going away is a different case
Well no, target swapping is the same
red schooner
Like on ansurek or any other boss where it goes immune and jumps away too
Having to sit there sending ruptures into the immune ansurek so I could get DN was... fun times.
spice surge
The solution to target swapping being ass is to just not target swap
red schooner
(I hated it, I ended up not vanishing during the second cooldown set just to avoid it)
austere sorrel
Fwiw I stopped playing sin rogue not long after hero talents came out. Can't stand the mark. I'll strictly play fatebound when I play my rogue alt now
grim jay
Well no, target swapping is the same
why would you on an attackable boss sit on DN and pool instead of sitting on the last mark with max cp and pool? it makes no sense at all
spice surge
why would you on an attackable boss sit on DN and pool instead of sitting on the...
So you dont lose your mark?
grim jay
So you dont lose your mark?
how would you just randomly lose it?
spice surge
What
If you need to target swap
You need to have your mark with you
If you have 2 stacks of mark on the boss when you need to swap
You cant bring the mark with you
grim jay
assuming the barrels on rik werent a complete joke, how would you lose the mark that way on rik while you are anticipating the barrelspawn?
if you just have 1 mark stack on rik left with max cp and are pooling for the add spawn
spice surge
Well because of the mark we dont swap
The solution to the problem is to hope others solve it for you in that case
grim jay
idk I think we are talking about completely separate cases
spice surge
Were not
grim jay
barrels wouldnt be worth a swap with or without mark existing
thats why I said assuming they werent a joke
spice surge
barrels wouldnt be worth a swap with or without mark existing
You could swap to the solo far ones and do reasonable damage to it if it wasnt for the mark
grim jay
there is no way in this world that anyone could consider swapping with DS hard on bosses that spawn an add on a fixed timer/health% where the boss doesnt disappear or become unattackable
austere sorrel
Name another hero spec that's as annoying as deathstalker
red schooner
Name another hero spec that's as annoying as deathstalker
Fatebound when you don't get your capstone 
Thankfully fixed by the 2p next tier but still
austere sorrel
At least you're just passively sad then
grim jay
Name another hero spec that's as annoying as deathstalker
hard for 2 reasons, firstly I dont think of deathstalker as especially annoying and secondly I dont know every hero tree, but there was more than enough complaining about some trees
spice surge
I think youll be seeing a lot more complaints about deathstalker this coming tier 
red schooner
hard for 2 reasons, firstly I dont think of deathstalker as especially annoying ...
Most of the time its a non-issue, I hated it on court though
earnest remnant
oh lord
lusty narwhal
Id neck
austere sorrel
hard for 2 reasons, firstly I dont think of deathstalker as especially annoying ...
Yeah I've got lots of alts, and generally the hero talents make the specs more fun or add a little something to it. There's only one that I don't like, sadly
earnest remnant
only time i had fun on that boss was as elemental shaman
grim jay
Most of the time its a non-issue, I hated it on court though
I can see it being annoying, but even there you had something to do with it atleast
grim jay
only time i had fun on that boss was as elemental shaman
I failed to like it on any char
ngl
spice surge
Yeah I've got lots of alts, and generally the hero talents make the specs more f...
And somehow sub hates it for a completely different reason that has nothing to do with its issue as assa
grim jay
council of dreams was literally the worst boss for me in ages
red schooner
I can see it being annoying, but even there you had something to do with it atle...
It could be played around but like, one slip up and you're without your hero talent for a while. Send a DN evenom out of habit, rip mark
lusty narwhal
Just a shit boss in general
red schooner
Also having DN up with 10 seconds left before the bosses swapped just felt shit
lusty narwhal
Still just absolutely baffling that Fatebound hasnt had any real problems addressed literally ever
grim jay
It could be played around but like, one slip up and you're without your hero tal...
wish there would be more things that could fuck you over if you didnt play/plan properly
austere sorrel
And somehow sub hates it for a completely different reason that has nothing to d...
Oh, didn't know that. To be fair, I think DS would be on par with all the other hero talent choices, if they just changed how mark was applied
spice surge
Oh, didn't know that. To be fair, I think DS would be on par with all the other ...
Sub can easily apply the mark, but eviscerate doesnt do any cleave, so on aoe the capstone is useless
warm vortex
Ok playing bleed
spice surge
The "clear the witnesses" proc does more damage than the DN eviscerate does so youre actively applying the mark to different targets at 1 stacks left of the mark to reset it to 3
warm vortex
This feels much more complex than hybrid
spice surge
Its really not
spice surge
You just apply bleeds
austere sorrel
The "clear the witnesses" proc does more damage than the DN eviscerate does so y...
That indeed does sound bad to me
spice surge
That indeed does sound bad to me
Theres a reason it also has a 0% playrate
warm vortex
You just apply bleeds
Meh idk?
Hybrid feels easier
Cause it's just
5 rups
then temP
then mash enven
Idk, i just feel like im having more trouble w this one
normal mist
maybe you're overthinking it
normal mist
don't you dare call my friend stupid
warm vortex
Sorry :<
Tbh maytbe im just focusing on target swapping
I should just sit on whatever i've marked and just let the smart target
normal mist
that's a good way to play
warm vortex
Also i forgot how annoying it is to be unstealthed by random bs
I feel like the xal affix does that a bunch for no reason
normal mist
subterfuge fix that problem in a way
red schooner
I feel like the xal affix does that a bunch for no reason
The devour one is my most hated one for that
warm vortex
God i hate stealth so much
If we want IW we just sim to see what to drop
It's mostly like, MA tho right
warm vortex
Ah kk
warm vortex
Why would they
normal mist
i wonder if they will buff assa st a bit more
There were buffs on the ptr already
Check the pins
spice surge
Assa has insane ST in keys
spice surge
(as long as you have multiple adds ontop of the boss)
charred obsidian
Assa has insane ST in keys
but pure st is kinda meh
normal mist
And it went well
But that's the right way, let's go!
warm vortex
Well we didn't time it and it was a clownfest, but it's with friends so all is well
normal mist
GG either way
warm vortex
Plus i was the only one to not die so im clearly the best :P
raw marlin
hey guyyss and galls
whats best server for mop?
i have mograine pvp?
with OG name Loop, he still goated?
golden loom
whats best server for mop?
If ur EU then firemaw for alliance / gehennas for horde, for US idk, maybe someone in the classic section knows
raw marlin
nah im EU
i have a gehennas character but horde are poopy faces
I have firemaw too actually lol
golden loom
Yeah that server is like 99.8% horde
raw marlin
why do i have so many level 10-20 rogues in all these servers lol
ok so firemaw for alliance?
or do i just make horde to gank all alliance ?
i wanna stab people in pvp lol
golden loom
Well I mean you would legit be alone on gehennas alliance so
raw marlin
why are they so skewed to one alliance, do people not enjoy wpvp?
golden loom
No idea but think wpvp is kinda dead yeah
Like post-vanilla I think that ship has sailed
raw marlin
ive only ever played alliance, is horde even fun? there areas are a bit... meh?
golden loom
I recently leveled 2 blood elves but also spent 90% of the time in dungeon finder lmao
raw marlin
oh blood elf in the game now
golden loom
Blood elf starting zone goes hard tho
raw marlin
i havent logged into this since vanilla
golden loom
Yeah belf is a TBC addition
raw marlin
wtf is this face detail
golden loom
Not female so already incorrect!
raw marlin
look
if im male belf
i can get all the female belf
#longtermthinking
which server was horde though? gehennas?
golden loom
Yea
raw marlin
is mograine just straight up dead lol?
golden loom
Think so
raw marlin
sad times, i have such cool names there
why havent we just merged everything into one server yet
blizzard come on
grim jay
why havent we just merged everything into one server yet
the answer is really quite simple
raw marlin
small indie company?
raw marlin
my system wont die
grim jay
it will
raw marlin
it wont
grim jay
almost certainly
grim jay
im very sure even the newest systems wouldnt be able to handle that
raw marlin
in all reality, i think my system wouldnt be the bottleneck
golden loom
Yeah I mean just go into any capital on firemaw/gehennas and game already lags
Just like dornogal on retail
grim jay
alright, if you wanna believe that. wont happen anyways
raw marlin
imma ask chatgpt
grim jay
chatgpt
raw marlin
yh i will ring bill gates after
chatgpt says in retail it may die but in classic it wont
grim jay
its nothing magical to know that fps in cities already goes low as is and you would then have thousands of people in your vicinity
raw marlin
lol
grim jay
lol
chatgpt is really good at only answering your input
and if your input is already wrong
raw marlin
nah i copied this chat
just copy pasted nothing else, not me bro
chatgpt is god
#pwned
grim jay
cant be, because I never said they wouldnt just because of your pc
grim jay
due to racial being a pvp trinket
probably
raw marlin
dw im lvl 2 rogue in classic
and already bored
wow really is only good in vanilla or m+ lol
waxen oyster
i mean mop rogue is boring
raw marlin
but i heard its broken
waxen oyster
it was by battlegroup
waxen oyster
i think battlegroups got axed in s14
nah its decent in after s12
just not as obnoxiously remembered as mage sp rdruid
grim jay
one of the best comps
but not bcs of the rogue being good in itself
it just enables the mage
waxen oyster
enables lock too
rogue’s strongest comps have always been to enable casters
to more stuns
grim jay
which is bad
raw marlin
i miss sub just 1 shotting you
grim jay
ngl
raw marlin
in 1 stun
raw marlin
yh but
rogue is so high ceiling
compared to dh
that noone plays it anyway lol
man cata/mop feels so bad
lol
brave comet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vernal adder
cloud stone
!shiv
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
cloud stone
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
last skiff
haughty flicker
idk if theres been more bots recently or if im just happening to be on to see them more often
main bridge
time to deploy the honeypot channel
silent compass
How does evasion work with mug mines
silent compass
Ohh thats how it works?? Thats so cool
Headbutting a mine but dodging all the sharapnels
dense iris
Does this look like the proper damage breakdown for m+ prio build? +12 floodgate at 662 ilvl
marsh fjord
zzzzz
marsh fjord
Does this look like the proper damage breakdown for m+ prio build? +12 floodgate...
Its better to log your keys and link those
this doesnet say a lot
dense iris
ok yeah I usually do but I forgot and this is all I had. I will log my next one
marsh fjord
you can have a good breakdown but still press the wrong buttons 😄
dense iris
I'm all about pushing the wrong buttons
marsh fjord
same bud
dense iris
😄
thorn thorn
<a:SCclaw:754645570651422750>
thorn thorn
rogue’s strongest comps have always been to enable casters
I thought this was for pve for a sec and I was prepared to not ask questions
gray hazel
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
surreal pelican
Hey new to assassination rogue. I’ve been playing around with the cleave build that’s ment for higher keys just for fun, but for anything <12 what is the recommended build from WH? Just looking for generic hybrid or bleed answer to get me started as I begin deep diving.
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
rose inlet
super minor insignificant question but does anyone know why tauren and dwarf would sim diff on bloodmallet if its the same racial
just margin of error?
gray dirge
Is dungeon slice is a good way to sim our dps in dj ? Or is better to use dummies x5 or something like that ?
normal mist
Dungeon slice
dense iris
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hLbn7TtkZwrgCJ34?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=72 Would appreciate a log review 😄
red schooner
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hLbn7TtkZwrgCJ34?fight=1&type=damage-done&s...
I'm not that great as looking at m+ logs but, you ran cleave build in it for a +10. Have you considered swapping to the bleed build?
dense iris
I haven't, plan on starting 12 and higher soon, was just running with some friends. Would prefer to get used to the build that everyone seems to be running
red schooner
In terms of overall rotation I have zero clue at how to interpret m+ logs so I can't help on that front, but running cleave in a +10 possibly ain't the best plan.
normal mist
I haven't, plan on starting 12 and higher soon, was just running with some frien...
you can run bleed in extremely high keys
!bleed
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
red schooner
I think someone has timed a 20 with bleed but don't quote me on this.
dense iris
ok good to know thank you!
balmy condor
All 20’s and some 21’s
pastel apex
pliant remnant
No, we suck, and WoW isn't getting any more balancing ever
reroll Augmentation Evoker
twin aurora
is rogue squishy whitout elusiveness in higher keys?
drifting cloud
assa is
spice surge
Assa is quite squishy regardless in higher keys
thorn thorn
reroll Augmentation Evoker
Please dont
I dont wanna see anymore fotm rerollers on the spec
worthy rose
assassination is prob the only spec that has survivability issues outside of feint and elusiveness
you dont have any dr talents that i can recall and you dont have the innate versatility stacking the other two specs use
just blame healer if you die
main bridge
i blame harunie if i die
worthy rose
main bridge
who is that? they're not even in this group?
doesn't matter, still their fault
worthy rose
also purely for science
i did a mechagon run as dk and i did nothing but press single button rotation
it turned out to be like a 75% parse or some shit
granted parses on a mythic dungeon dont mean too much but still
75% is kinda insane
raw marlin
75% is kinda insane
makes sense, its a 'perfect' rotation at a 20% reduction of 'speed'
so in theory it should be 80% no?
if anything you underperformed lol
worthy rose
i think
its coz it doesnt use some abilities like festering scythe
which is huge impact in the few times it comes up
and also doenst use trinket
but also doesnt take into account where you have to move around for the dungeon
still tho its fairly good
people should have no trouble timing 12's and beyond with just one button rotation
assuming they know the mechanics
but not having to worry about what dps buttons to press and just running around doing mechanics should be easy as heck
marsh fjord
Honestly i did like a mythic raid for the first time last week and i performed really poorly. if i would have used the 1 button assit i would have done better then i did normally. but that raid made me learn so much about sin and with the 1 button i wouldnt have learned.
raw marlin
but not having to worry about what dps buttons to press and just running around ...
lets be real.. people arent doing 12s with single button lol
worthy rose
lets be real.. people arent doing 12s with single button lol
but they can
and it would work
marsh fjord
lets be real.. people arent doing 12s with single button lol
you are surpised people do
raw marlin
like yeah sure, maybe people who do 12-15s who then hit 1 button, but actual 1 button players arent
marsh fjord
i litteraly had multiple puggs say they do
worthy rose
they could be joking
alot of the time it could be people like me trolling for science
raw marlin
no i mean
lets say we can time 18-20s
obv we are timing a 12 with 1 button rotation
but people who legitately need 1 button (no trolling)
arent timing 12s lol
worthy rose
fair
but it could go along way into the teaching process of the dungeon
knowing what to do for mechanics
raw marlin
doubt it, the peopel who want to learn will learn their spec
worthy rose
fair
raw marlin
1 button is for people to farm mounts or random old content
maybbeee
those people then dont get overwhelmed
and learn the spec
then do m+ etc
pliant remnant
Please dont
raw marlin
but they arent just now able to do that content
marsh fjord
and learn the spec
Thats the thing with the 1 button assistent you dont really learn
if you properly want to learn you go read stuff
raw marlin
that is what im saying
worthy rose
the problem with noe button it doesnt even show what button its about to press
the thumbnail updates too slow
its like eveyr 3rd or 4th ability
and if youre unlucky like a shadow priest
marsh fjord
Even if you could see do you think people could learn?
worthy rose
it actually interrupts your void torrent channel
raw marlin
bro 1 button is for people to plug in a controller and go farm mogs
worthy rose
prob not
raw marlin
lets be real
worthy rose
theres a macro you can use to stop it from interrupting channels
raw marlin
you think 1 button people are using macros
worthy rose
but id imagine people who blizz intended to use the one button
arent gonna be making macros
exactly
worthy rose
the intended target audience isnt gonna be able to make use of it
marsh fjord
i dont think the people that press the 1 button knows that /m opens the macro menu
raw marlin
the target audience prob dont even know it is there
worthy rose
blizz highlighted assist also is worse than hekili
thorn thorn
Hekili has done irreversible damage to the playerbase and i will die on this hill
raw marlin
hekili is somewhat useful
marsh fjord
Hekili has done irreversible damage to the playerbase and i will die on this hil...
based
raw marlin
for learning a spec though
worthy rose
hekili is damn near perfect rotatino tho if you dont consider things like having to move or future pulls and packs throughout a dungeon
marsh fjord
Its not about usefull. it's about people dont have to put effort in anymore to learn there spec. insetall hekili and play the game for you
worthy rose
should be like 95%+ almost perfect
raw marlin
and i remember gingi saying if you are unsure on when to use cds, use them on cd lol
it works 99% of the time
thorn thorn
hekili is somewhat useful
I have met more people than I should have that dont interrupt or press defensives because Hekili doesnt tell them to
raw marlin
I have met more people than I should have that dont interrupt or press defensive...
ive met people with m+ title 5 seasons in a row that dont know what their classes do
if people play enough hours
they get dragged up
ever been with a dps that does negative dps but has good gear and score, they get score as you boost them.. rinse and repeat
raw marlin
actually i know (ive raided with them on and off for years by accient, small world in top end i guess) and they are constantly top 10 in a certain class, they outright fucking suck dude lol
thorn thorn
But dont lie to both of us and say you are "learning" how to play your spec by using it
Learning is spending an hour or 2 on the dummies looking at a guide and spending some time looking at logs and/or wowa
marsh fjord
Do you know what surprises me how good world first raiders are actually
I was boosting narcolies in a 12 in TOP on his 660 ret alt
and he out damaged us all
worthy rose
world first raiders get paid to play dont they
like content creators or something
if its your 9-5 job id imagine youd have to be somewhat good at it
raw marlin
Learning is spending an hour or 2 on the dummies looking at a guide and spending...
i remember learning ww monk and id spend maybe... 4-5 hours at a time in front of the target dummies because i wanted to learn it perfectly in terms of opening, different builds etc
its the fun part of wow
raw marlin
if its your 9-5 job id imagine youd have to be somewhat good at it
yh but they are really good, but the problem i see with some RWF raiders, is they suck in m+ lol
worthy rose
raiding is a diff skillset to mythic dungeoning tho i think
i can respect one for being good at one and dogshit at the other
its different things you gotta worry about
main bridge
one detail i think a lot of people praising the OBR don't realize is that sales at level 20 happen, so it is not actually impressive that you did a key using it. you can have one person AFK and time the key if the other dps are good enough
worthy rose
coz in a raid you only have to worry about that one singular boss and hte mechanics during
but a mythic dungeon run yougotta be on your A game the entire way through
main bridge
if anything it showcases the skill of the other dps carrying you
worthy rose
trashpacks or bos fights
raw marlin
i can respect one for being good at one and dogshit at the other
no i get that but.. youd expect them to know rotation etc lol
worthy rose
the entire way through
wait wtf they dont know their rotation?
but also it hink its a stark contrast
coz on a mythic raid boss you usually have a single target
with some ads
a mythic dungeon almost completely bottlenecks you from the trash packs
you gotta knowhow to aoe blast
raw marlin
wait wtf they dont know their rotation?
allot of raid is just.. repeat timings, m+ they suck at until its done like 100 times and htey are now just doing a long 'raid boss'
raw marlin
one detail i think a lot of people praising the OBR don't realize is that sales ...
yh.. 1 key level below world first can often be boosted lol
worthy rose
the amount of 12s and 13s me and my friend shave boosted
its kinda insane
i no longer trust anyone around 3-3300 rating
which is shocking becuase me myself am 3300 rating
thorn thorn
You should not trust me