holy shit legion was horrible in so many ways for a long time
#assassination
royal lantern
earnest remnant
like last half of it was amazing
warm vortex
What was the best expac in your opinion try
halcyon flame
I enjoyed legion because I got crit leggo as my first legendary UL
warm vortex
I've played 4 (including tww)
but only like
2 properly
So i don't rlly have a choice
earnest remnant
I enjoyed legion because I got crit leggo as my first legendary UL
it was my 2nd last
royal lantern
What was the best expac in your opinion try
hard to say cus many have their strong and weak parts
overall i THINK BfA? the raids where just all good
earnest remnant
so imma politely have to ask you to fuck off
royal lantern
it was my 2nd last
fellow sephuz + feint pants enjoyer?
normal mist
If I recall correctly it was added in the start(?)
But again it was way too long ago to remember
drifting cloud
warm vortex
But yea my fav is DF but i rlly don't have a choice
Started like, on the last day of legion
through the entierty of BFA i barely had a functioning brain
Same with Sl tbh
and it was only like, mid DF i started thinking like a normal human being
So the only one i experianced that much was DF
even still, i only do like
AoTC and a tiny bit of mythic raiding
and i try and push M+ but it's mainly low rio pugging
earnest remnant
But yea my fav is DF but i rlly don't have a choice
Started like, on the last da...
brain still barely functioning arent you like 12?
royal lantern
brain still barely functioning arent you like 12?
for the Outlaw players in this chat: 12 is what you consider a "boomer"
warm vortex
Outlaw was the first spec i tried playing aswell
so it checks out
I think i was 14 or so when i started acc
normal mist
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
rotund oak
we could step the frontal as well iirc
but its been some years
and im getting older
normal mist
We're getting wiser
warm vortex
What dungeon/boss you two talking about?
rotund oak
the FH parrot boss
warm vortex
Sharkbait?
final star
I enjoyed legion cos I got boots and wrists as my first legendary
and then when they released crit shoulders with NH
I got those first week
just get them idk what to say
rotund oak
most based
normal mist
THe guy that shits on you?
That's tryan
final star
Legion owned and I stopped playing on KJ prog
warm vortex
Holy shit try is in wow???
red schooner
I enjoyed legion cos I got boots and wrists as my first legendary
I got the feint healing ones as my first 
warm vortex
Peak
earnest remnant
THe guy that shits on you?
you had to tank him a certain way to bait all poops on your ranged, and you had to LoS his 0.5 sec 1 shot cast
which was a frontal cone on 1 player
final star
dog shit system wasn't dog shit for me 
warm vortex
Ah that sounds silly
Also
I find it funny how many people just ask what specs going to be the best next season
Like
We will find out when the expac comes out
Ptr isn't always accurate
normal mist
Based
earnest remnant
we could step the frontal as well iirc
outside of season 1 you didn't play anythin but outlaw unless you were Seli
rotund oak
outside of season 1 you didn't play anythin but outlaw unless you were Seli
ive played sin as well but only hsing out coz i had rly fat gear on last season,basicly decked out
last bosses on keys etc
big dam
royal lantern
That's tryan
(reading that while on the Toilette)
rotund oak
(reading that while on the Toilette)
poo?
warm vortex
(reading that while on the Toilette)
Proof?
normal mist
Send ||dudes||
royal lantern
warm vortex
rotund oak
outside of season 1 you didn't play anythin but outlaw unless you were Seli
also last season sin was very big with the snapshot tech,certain keys in terms of dmg might have been better than outlaw(Like ML or Sethralis-blowing up adds etc)
i was actually following Seli alot back then,was hanging around on his stream alot
pretty fun times
royal lantern
bigtime m+ pusher seli
earnest remnant
he even quit last season
royal lantern
earnest remnant
assa didn't live
warm vortex
he even quit last season
can you blame him
rotund oak
sin was very strong ST,not mage strong but did alot of dmg
more than the pirate
but u needed haste gear for exsang tech
rotund oak
yeah around there
earnest remnant
so you just played "proctect the mage" comp
earnest remnant
yeah we pretty much supported the combust mage
if you are a real Seli OG then what was is twitch handle in BFA? 
rotund oak
if you are a real Seli OG then what was is twitch handle in BFA? <:think:6789919...
jsut ask him if i was around,u dont need baits like this
he knows i was there
pretty much since legion and until bfa i watched seli all the time
and a bit in shadowlands in sofo
funniest times crab boss progress
earnest remnant
cant believe u dont remember
subtle tundra
yeah but were you a varas fan back in bfa?
stuck knoll
The true OG
bronze pike
rotund oak
cant believe u dont remember
truth is im getting old,braincpu not that strong anymore
grim jay
It gets worse if you consider her walking barefoot and the circumstances in WoW dont scream "I shower often"
orchid pewter
Thats the spice
grim jay
Im just teasing puma
warm vortex
It gets worse if you consider her walking barefoot and the circumstances in WoW ...
All the better
royal lantern
It gets worse if you consider her walking barefoot and the circumstances in WoW ...
and that its literally a possesed corpse
balmy condor
It gets worse if you consider her walking barefoot and the circumstances in WoW ...
you don't season your meat?
grim jay
Puma sweating reading this
balmy condor
subtle tundra
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064999316051198025/1296612075606638682...
im at work you cant do this to me rn
jade abyss
Only my sausage, just for you tho
With or without cheese?
grim jay
With or without cheese?
Depends on if he prefers it that way or with chocolate dip
If you know what I mean
indigo thicket
can someone give me a reason why signet is ran over hoc, it looks like hoc gives more stat
grim jay
im at work you cant do this to me rn
grim jay
can someone give me a reason why signet is ran over hoc, it looks like hoc gives...
Because more people have access to Signet or had access earlier
They are pretty close to eachother
Signet has more duration
warm vortex
I personally run funhouse lens so i can easily fit inside a mailbox
zenith elm
grim jay
jade abyss
https://tenor.com/view/kit-cat-weird-licking-lick-gif-15936775092756273354
Im glad m cats dont do that they lick hands and forheads
grim jay
Im glad m cats dont do that they lick hands and forheads
Well behaved cats
normal mist
Im glad m cats dont do that they lick hands and forheads
What about armpit?
obtuse robin
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
iron carbon
Dont speak about it
Or Whispyr will go crazy again
Insult your whole family for 3 generation
And alt+f4 the discord
obtuse robin
is it possible to have for example a mouseover garrote macro that also works on current target?
prisma cypress
i would think so
lunar pond
[@mouseover] garrote; garrote
golden loom
is it possible to have for example a mouseover garrote macro that also works on ...
yeah
something simpler probably works also yeah but this just happens to be what I have 
lunar pond
Or that, not in game
golden loom
#showtooltip Garrote
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead][harm,nodead]Garrote
obtuse robin
tyvm
normal mist
who asked for this
No one asked and it isn't a big deal
You'll have tea whenever you need it
prisma cypress
except i don’t, because i spam mutilate like a noob and waste my mastery buff outside of cooldowns 
golden loom
except i don’t, because i spam mutilate like a noob and waste my mastery buff ou...
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
golden loom
use that and ur teas that could get auto-cast will be on cd
royal lantern
how
kb is 1min
dm is 2min
tea is 1min
you literally always have it with your cds
obtuse robin
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Rogue Collection
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prisma cypress
you literally always have it with your cds
i would if i didn’t burn it outside of cooldowns by going too low on energy, right
royal lantern
???
mate sorry, but read what i said again
fight starts
you use cds + tea
1min mater, you use kb and get tea back
1min later, you use all cds and get tea back
you literally CANT have no charge for it
prisma cypress
i guess that’s true for one charge, yeah
prisma cypress
ideally i’d have two to cover dm, right?
red schooner
ideally i’d have two to cover dm, right?
You get loads of energy from DM anyhow
prisma cypress
and if it’s just for energy and the mastery doesn’t matter, then it seems like kind of a waste to burn a charge immediately with shiv when i’m likely at high energy anyway
but that macro does make it easy to manage. i’ll give it a try
white mulch
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
and if it’s just for energy and the mastery doesn’t matter, then it seems like k...
you allready kinda used up some energy at that point so you dont waste energy gained from tea, and it will automatically line up for the rest of the fight
like, the mastery part never mattered
if we had infinite energy, we would not play tea
it was always about the energy
prisma cypress
the mastery may not be good enough on its own, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it doesn’t matter
royal lantern
and the entire thing why the auto usage doesnt matter is because of 2 reasons:
1, it always lines up with your CDs by default anyway
2, if you auto proc it, it means you where low on energy and now have energy again to use abilitys, and using abilitys is always more dmg then NOT using abilitys
does the auto usage feel kinda bad? yes sure, i agree and think it should be a choice node
but it literally doesnt matter
100% minmaxed Tea usage with never letting it autocast at all, and not even macroing tea and just letting the game autoconsume it all the time is a 0,3% difference lol
prisma cypress
if that’s true, then i don’t feel so bad lol
royal lantern
and macro tea with shiv is allready near 100% minmaxed gameplay
grim jay
and if it’s just for energy and the mastery doesn’t matter, then it seems like k...
No because you get it running. Having stuff on CD instead of up is the first rule of actually using CDs in WoW
royal lantern
^ that aswell
like, if you want a really simple reason why the energy is important and not the mastery
whats more dmg, using tea so you get 8% more dmg on 1 or 2 envenoms
or getting a additonal envenom out
(which has the 8% buff aswell then)
royal lantern
no?
red schooner
There's a slight change
potent lance
im only get cuastic spatter when i came out of invis for soem seconds
red schooner
On the bosses with bigger hitboxes the range gets tweaked to include bits around the rogue
potent lance
On the bosses with bigger hitboxes the range gets tweaked to include bits around...
oh
potent lance
im only get cuastic spatter when i came out of invis for soem seconds
.it wasnt liek that in seaosn 1
royal lantern
im only get cuastic spatter when i came out of invis for soem seconds
huh
are you mixing up talents
grim jay
Most definitely
potent lance
are you mixing up talents
i dont think so xD
royal lantern
spatter is the poison cleave you apply on a target
potent lance
spatter is the poison cleave you apply on a target
yeha iknow
grim jay
Spatter has nothing to do with stealth
royal lantern
but it has nothing to do with stealth?
grim jay
And you dont get it either
royal lantern
you apply spatter by using mutilate or ambush on a enemy that has rupture
jade abyss
No because you get it running. Having stuff on CD instead of up is the first rul...
What are cds?
potent lance
grim jay
What are cds?
Cute dogs (or dudes)
potent lance
see its off
royal lantern
you mutilate again?
potent lance
y
red schooner
but still just ahve it for 9 sec
Yeah, its a 10 second buff
royal lantern
its a short duration debuff ON YOUR TARGET
red schooner
Gotta muti again
royal lantern
not a buff on yourself
potent lance
Yeah, its a 10 second buff
yeap after that if i dodnt be in invis i dont get that buff anymore
grim jay
potent lance
i was main rogue in season 1
grim jay
Whispyr do it
royal lantern
or @spice surge idk
potent lance
afetr this i use everything
royal lantern
one of you
grim jay
one of you
Kinda surprised meownar doesnt pop up fast
royal lantern
ping him
grim jay
No he always does things to me
royal lantern
@shrewd night meow, somebody sending shady links
shrewd night
potent lance
so its a bug or im missing something? xD
royal lantern
well, caustic spatter has 3 requirments
have weapon poisons active
have rupture on your target
use mutilate/ambush
thats it
hollow frost
Just make sure deadly poison is on the target, rupture is on the target, press mut/ambush
potent lance
and if im doing all fo that and it didnt apply the caustic spaatter on target ?
royal lantern
ofc
hollow frost
Ignore the little weakaura picture you are sending a pic of and look at the debuffs. If the debuff and weakaura don't line up correctly then fix the weakaura.
As for logging target dummies generally the same way you log everything else
potent lance
okk i got a log let me uplaod
check this
caustic spatter is on only for 9 sec
after that i dont ahve it at all
red schooner
You casted mutilate once in that time
potent lance
all my buffs are up i ahve poisona nd i did mutilate
red schooner
Unless I'm misreading something
scarlet orbit
You didnt mutilate in that log after the first apply
potent lance
oh let me do another log i think i turn the log so fast xD
red schooner
Like, you're not mutilating, you poisoned knifed twice but that won't apply spatter
potent lance
ahahhaha
i got it
my levels did changed after invis
my mutilate is on 3 keybind in invis and it get changed after invis
xDDD
red schooner
Well, at least its fixed now which is the main thing
potent lance
haha yeah ty ❤️
i was liek wtf why im only egt cuASTIC SPATTER in invis is there anythign changed after seaosn1 xD
scarlet orbit
The answer is your keybinds 😄
potent lance
xD yeah
potent lance
xD i ahve it on V
half tartan
Literally onlu press it once on opener
potent lance
i use Q for stealth xD
anyway what is best choise for trinekt rn Mythic signet or hero/myth hosue of cards?
since the CDs not line with house of card i think signet is better right?
or am i wrong?
scarlet orbit
Mythic signet is better the hero hoc but its pretty much the same then myth hoc.
So if you dont have access to mythic version of hoc you go for signet otherwise its pretty w/e if you not also play sub
rigid tartan
are y'all macroing House of Cards to Kingsbane or Deathmark or have it on a separate bind to pop with Kingsbane in DM windows?
I'm thinking best use case is always on the kingsbane during Deathmark. I'm not sure there is a high possibility to miss House of Cards active for the last kingsbane tick if popping it with Deathmark in the global before Kingsbane
fallow canopy
Macro to Dm and forget
golden loom
^
fallow canopy
Damn things get freaky here in the middle of the night
Theres even some xalatoes flying around
main bridge
yeah this is the freakiest channel in the server
dense cedar
Most calm and normal discord channel in the world
rigid tartan
doesnt that result in often missing house of cards active buff on last kingsbane tick?
pressing dm=>15 secs hoc buff and 1 sec gcd=>kingsbane and just in a perfect queue you have the hoc buff for last kingsbane tick?
golden loom
well KB is fully stacked super fast during DM anyways, and it just isnt worth thinking about in reality
unborn patrol
Hi, what poisions should I use?
normal mist
!poison
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
golden loom
but I mean I guess u can do whatever u want but 99% of people just macro HoC to DM and forget about it
golden loom
pressing dm=>15 secs hoc buff and 1 sec gcd=>kingsbane and just in a perfect que...
also u shiv before u KB
warm flint
doesnt that result in often missing house of cards active buff on last kingsbane...
it does such shit dmg anyways that its not even worth concerning about a single tick doing 2x dmg or not
rigid tartan
appreciate it guys thank you
normal mist
No problem
unborn patrol
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
nocturne quail
who else up consuming rogue misinformation
prisma cypress
come for the misinformation, stay for the dooming
bronze marsh
normal mist
who else up consuming rogue misinformation
Anything new happened?
nocturne quail
Anything new happened?
just dorki talking about rogue, its either him not understanding it at all or his chat
royal lantern
just dorki talking about rogue, its either him not understanding it at all or hi...
if i learned something in over a decade
its that people that dont actively play rogue have the loudest opinions on it without understanding even its basics
nocturne quail
so true
normal mist
just dorki talking about rogue, its either him not understanding it at all or hi...
Oh ... :/
nocturne quail
chat said sin rogue is either all ST or all AOE and theres no inbetween
royal lantern
i mean, thats kinda true in m+?
you will either do high consistent aoe but low boss dmg, or you do good boss dmg but pay for it with your consistent aoe and need big targets for it now
marsh fjord
In the induction build in raid is there a use for vanish? to apply DS mark if needed?
waxen oyster
reset boss on a wipe to not lose your augment rune
marsh fjord
golden loom
In the induction build in raid is there a use for vanish? to apply DS mark if ne...
yeah incase you lose mark for whatever reason, can also use it on for example Cauldron to swap target
marsh fjord
i was streaming to my friends. and this old rogue main when he played in legion he said to my other friends. That i was playing wrong ( i was) why is he not using vanish for garrotes. not knowing you use vanish for that in the ST build
and just wanted to make sure 😄
golden loom
yeah u only vanish for garrote if u run improved garrote and lockenstock is like the only fight where u maybe do that but even then u can just stick with viscious venomns there aswell
split veldt
so what's up with all those little vers buffs? they gonna make a difference at all?
royal lantern
wdym little vers buffs
humble verge
https://puu.sh/KxjGT/455a96b6e0.mp4 maybe my gpu is dying
royal lantern
maybe, read it again
its some azerite powers that got affected by buffs and the list is just datamining
are you using azerite gear
royal lantern
https://puu.sh/KxjGT/455a96b6e0.mp4 maybe my gpu is dying
ouch
royal lantern
lmao
happens sometimes
they adjust some stuff and at the same time some azerite powers get affected aswell and datamining scraps it up
when like
its nothing
spice surge
Happens everytime they aura buff it, because theyve tied those azerite powers to the aura buff
west turret
Anyone willing to answer some potentially stupid questions about improved garrote in M+?
west turret
Let's find out if I am one: I noticed imp garrote was a suggested talent in most of the guides but in current higher keys rogues don't seem to use it. Is this just a by product of fully diving into the funnel playstyle of caustic splatter, or spreading rupture with bone spikes is just an easier and faster way to get venomous wounds benefit?
golden loom
Let's find out if I am one: I noticed imp garrote was a suggested talent in most...
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
normal mist
Let's find out if I am one: I noticed imp garrote was a suggested talent in most...
" Is this just a by product of fully diving into the funnel playstyle of caustic splatter"
This allows them to also play more ST builds which they need in their 20's
west turret
Thanks
keen spruce
brave comet
i think i know the answer, but just to confirm, when gallywix first sends out that aoe suppression attack, do you guys stick to him or do you run to the next set of adds?
brave comet
evasion doesnt block it right?
royal lantern
no
but you can just run out of melee range and feint, and it will only do like 50% hp
the dmg dropoff is kinda big, if you are not in melee range, feint lets you survive it
brave comet
awesome thanks friend!
indigo epoch
Is assa single target gonna be just as (relatively) bad in s3? (Not sure about set bonuses etc.)
brave comet
i could be severely wrong, but it doesnt seem likes its gonna be great
indigo epoch
Trying to decide whether to play assasination or outlaw next season. Mainly do m+ and heroic raiding (no myth) but I still like seeing big numbers go BRRRRR.
brave comet
i doubt outlaw would be the choice you should make if you want big numbers go brrrr
spec doesnt have cooldowns
marsh fjord
Trying to decide whether to play assasination or outlaw next season. Mainly do m...
if you do m+ and hc raiding it really does not matter what you play.
Play whatever you enjoy the most
grave osprey
i doubt outlaw would be the choice you should make if you want big numbers go br...
Big overall numbers tho
normal mist
keen spruce
normal mist
When it became a thing we spammed the channels so much
grave osprey
They love me
runic hinge
When it became a thing we spammed the channels so much
No assa ptr notes for weeks got us doing the Pedro chain til fuu had to put his foot down
normal mist
No assa ptr notes for weeks got us doing the Pedro chain til fuu had to put his ...
i remember, i was there too xD
runic hinge
Good times
weary stump
More Pedro means more DPS clearly
runic hinge
I had to get rid of the bloodlust weak aura. The first raid of tww it scared the shit outta me and I couldn’t see past the raccoon to do mechanics
grave osprey
More Pedro’s more fun
weary stump
"kyveza why did you become Pedro"
main bridge
marsh fjord
POGGERS
lethal arrow
so we got 8% and then an extra whatever this pile of buffs is? LOL
uneven plume
9% to CT is a big hit in m+ no?
lethal arrow
right?
winged sun
thats crazy
lethal arrow
idk
lethal arrow
m+ is prob cooked
winged quail
idk what the goals of these changes were
lethal arrow
but raid is looking juicy
lethal arrow
idk what the goals of these changes were
make us rank 1 dps so we get nerfed really fast
winged sun
man sin big nerf...our aoe wasn't even good ...
spice spire
To take the power out of CT ST likely
lethal arrow
odd to nerf out AOE lol
thin meadow
man sin big nerf...our aoe wasn't even good ...
winged quail
dartboard sad buff some bleeds, buff envenom, nerf CT, ignore hero talents
god bless the dartboard
uneven plume
to compensate for CT nerfs
main bridge
dapper cradle
surely aoe isn't completely cooked
winged sun
<@1172550924519080006> your build got cooked
wdym got cooked
dapper cradle
maybe even less
winged quail
It's a buff to hybrid builds no?
royal lantern
9% to CT is a big hit in m+ no?
tbf, its kinda reasonable cus CT is kinda overtuned
that thing does so much dmg for a single button press
humble ginkgo
dude
royal lantern
rare skip W moment
humble ginkgo
this is like
spice spire
i dont press that shit in raid
You changed
winged quail
Hybrid build is back frfr
strange python
i mean u needed the st gains so ct nerf is good
winged sun
only for pure st
oak eagle
my build is about to go crazy with those buffs
Your build been crazy
strange python
ur aoe was already good
runic hinge
Skip has always been based
winged sun
garrote is only good for its buff
dapper cradle
winged sun
that it buffs you
with lethal dose
nothing else
in aoe
it's dmg is far too low for it to be relevant even if its a 13%
royal lantern
whats the st napkin math boys
somewhat higher
winged sun
idk its probably 5% st buff
zealous knot
somewhat higher
Great
winged sun
if i had to guess
winged quail
number go up
humble ginkgo
Skip has always been based
truth nuke
zealous knot
lets fgucking go
onyx gyro
did we get new buffs?
spice spire
assa is fun
Shadowlands skip would never
lethal arrow
We got something
spice spire
Buff ST, nerf aoe
spice spire
Buddy I saw you in df Ik you’re a bottom
humble ginkgo
what that mean
spice spire
But also very based evolution proud of you king
spice spire
what that mean
It’s a play on the word sub
spice spire
But also the raz sectech clip is something I still pull up every few months
royal lantern
im down for a sub tier too
mate, the last 5 tiers where a sub tier
spice spire
Peak content 
runic hinge
I wonder if this makes bleed worse than hybrid by any significant amount
humble ginkgo
mate, the last 5 tiers where a sub tier <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
wrong
viscid spear
marsh fjord
we gotta sandbang more guys.
runic hinge
Maybe no more ct in ST
winged quail
jesus they shot the boomkin tierset in the head, based af
runic hinge
Good
lean plover
fuck moonkins
lethal arrow
just look at how much the ticks did
🙈
kindred breach
waxen oyster
idk raid buff all is good
kindred breach
big changes
serene wyvern
thnx
onyx gyro
CT worth it for ST buffs
kindred breach
Single target going up it seems
viscid spear
jesus they shot the boomkin tierset in the head, based af
Hoping EC is buffed
winged quail
I don't know what EC means
waxen oyster
I mean for most people playing common bleed builds
the other buffs probably balance out
pliant remnant
guys who the fuck is buffing arcane mage
terse brook
Sin st is sky rocketing
royal lantern
Are people fr asking why CT got nerfed
also like
more envenom/garrote/rupture dmg is also more aoe
CT was waaaay to much for a single button press
waxen oyster
I feel like only the cleave build might take a slight hit?
royal lantern
for a long time
waxen oyster
might
winged quail
Yeah Assa AoE was already really good, even if CT is nerfed the other buffs should make it a fairly minor nerf
uneven plume
CT shoulda been buffed by 9%
winged quail
ST dmg go up i like
waxen oyster
nah buff CT any more
uneven plume
need more buffs
runic hinge
They shoulda buffed KB by 15%
waxen oyster
buff kb by 100% but make it parryable
winged quail
Make KB a real cooldown again
waxen oyster
do you take the risk
pliant remnant
get out the kitchen
waxen oyster
marsh fjord
buff kb by 100% but make it parryable
I would take the risk
halcyon flame
ROGUE S TIER ? POG
lethal arrow
are there even any bosses we take CT for in raid next patch?
marsh fjord
guys can we stop promoting that rogue is good now. we gotta sandbag for more buffs
viscid spear
I don't know what EC means
Elune's Chosen.
They nerfed the fuck out of KotG
lethal arrow
that was the only one i could think of
polar rampart
yeah usually you just spatter if you cleave in raid
lethal arrow
doubt theres gunna be anything like brood
winged quail
nah the only add fight is perfect for spatter
lethal arrow
type shit
winged quail
no high uptime AoE fights from what I tested
humble ginkgo
viscid spear
What does this mean for Bleed Build in M+?
lean plover
we wont know until whispyr the unhinged makes a pin
lethal arrow
nothing is true until theres a pin
as far as we know, these were nerfs and now we're below aug
native turret
What does this mean for Bleed Build in M+?
Means we have to go to the island
royal lantern
as far as we know, these were nerfs and now we're below aug
true
we should get slowmode tbh
waxen oyster
Pretty sure for bleed build it doesnt change much
maybe ct is no longer like 20% of your overall
at the end
maiden sierra
guys someone ask chat gpt what do these changes mean
we must know what the machine says
uneven plume
@balmy condor Where new pins
lean plover
exactly, where the goat
candid sun
do the thing theoryjak
winged sun
maybe ct is no longer like 20% of your overall
?
no
CT dmg didnt change from live
it'll stay the same in next tier
same dmg
half tartan
outlaw 10% is that mega?
hearty reef
all other bleeds got buffed
half tartan
is that gone or still in/
uneven plume
we had a 8% aura before
coping. its over. assa dead
subtle tundra
i got cancer from these changes
winged sun
why would it be gone
native turret
Still in
half tartan
the 8% aura
subtle tundra
lol
winged sun
no
half tartan
why would it be gone
idk maybe some of us are dumb 😄
humble ginkgo
not enough buffs...
agreed
native turret
Ok ok I go on forum and copy paste
winged quail
Assa is nerfed can't believe it
marsh fjord
Zeross is a professional sandbagger i see it
winged quail
spec ruined
normal mist
Inb4 chat goes slowmode
native turret
Assa nerf wow game deadge unsub
winged sun
outlaw 10% is that mega?
outlaw buffs are good
half tartan
honestly im sure other classes will still outscale us heavy
winged sun
because aura buff on outlaw double dips on bladeflurry
so BF maybe didnt even get a nerf on BF
only minimal
half tartan
our stats < other classes stats
winged sun
if anything at all even
half tartan
frost DK will do 20% more damage then us
covert jewel
so nothing fixed, changed, only flat %. crazy tuning, ty.
runic hinge
because aura buff on outlaw double dips on bladeflurry
You are full yellow name now eh?
Must be OL tier
icy geyser
any TLDR of the buffs received?
winged sun
idk who changed my color
normal mist
Just wait for whispyr pins soon
half tartan
leave that man alone
sonic zinc
pins hello????
half tartan
winged sun
im not gonna throw any hints or anything
half tartan
are we thinking this will total out to like 2-4% more ST?
winged sun
but
icy geyser
guess bleed build time is over?
winged sun
ngl
im gonna gap every other sin with those changes even more next season
secret apl
covert jewel
why fix 15 0.2% overall passives, why fix fatebound, just give flat % to some spells, 200iq gamedesign
icy geyser
@winged sun when assa guide?
indigo mulch
Why are they buffing ct even more o0
covert jewel
they nerfed ct
indigo mulch
ohhh
sand lichen
reduced
indigo mulch
Reduced lmao
maiden sierra
rogues cant read
winged quail
I would take back the last 3 envenom buffs to make KB a real cd ngl
indigo mulch
True
maiden sierra
source: lazyshadow
half tartan
the q is if giving up 2% aoe for 4% ST worth
winged sun
many people are gonna ask
are garrote talents good again in M+?
answer is no
dont ask 100 more times
indigo mulch
I mean i'm all for buffing rupture and garrote.
half tartan
can we just make each bleed apply to 9 targets per global
winged sun
garrote talents are only good on specific scenarios
winged quail
I mean it's good for lower keys where you can't get off a KB ramp
icy geyser
garrote talents are only good on specific scenarios
aoe silence
winged quail
ofc
maiden sierra
aoe silence is dogshit
winged quail
why silence mobs that are getting cc chained to death already
icy geyser
but you're just happy to be there to support the team KEKW
winged sun
all the r1 keys i did this season i never considered ironwire
its too big of a dps loss for it to be worth taking
you dont really need it for anything other than fixing ur dogshit group's gameplay
so try interrupting maybe
u have enough im sure
icy geyser
I would love to see a change to assa where you don't have to spread the bleeds. just press a button and hit an AOE with bleeds, just like a shadow priest crash
normal mist
Ironwire is a DPS gain with pugs
winged sun
its way harder than +21 key
winged sun
Ironwire is a DPS gain with pugs
not if u kill the pack before they kill you
winged quail
in low keys stray casts are a healer mechanic
winged quail
gotta give healers something to do
winged sun
u can run whatever the fuck u want
u can even unequip ur trinkets
im sure u can even do that on a 20 rn
normal mist
Zeross forgot what it is to play with people that aren't pushing title
normal mist
Exactly
winged sun
yea but i dont see myself playing next season sorry
half tartan
I would love to see a change to assa where you don't have to spread the bleeds. ...
or feral rip aoe
past bobcat
rip
uneven plume
sin looks very weak but
sin dead
winged sun
anyways'
uneven plume
youre coping
half tartan
sin dead
winged sun
garrote talents still dogshit
half tartan
play outlaw
winged sun
only in low keys they're good
maiden sierra
polar sleet
Sin dead
cursive hatch
play outlaw
wtb being able to use my daggers for outlaw. I want to play but I don't have the weapons right now
half tartan
jsut craft one
brave comet
680 by ilvl
runic hinge
I would love to see a change to assa where you don't have to spread the bleeds. ...
Just wait for df s1&2 classic
half tartan
680 by ilvl
this guy has 99s and does 45% tier dev evoker 😂
winged quail
Dev evoker's are cheating i stg
half tartan
his disintegrate does your overall
cursive hatch
jsut craft one
I came back a month ago, I really don't want to grind out an extra 90+ crests when I'm already needing so many 😭 Finally nearing the end if I ignore outlaw stuff
winged quail
dev evoker damage is not normally
half tartan
I came back a month ago, I really don't want to grind out an extra 90+ crests wh...
i feel that
uneven plume
@balmy condor Sin dead
half tartan
sin dead
uneven plume
remove channel
half tartan
reroll fury warr
marsh fjord
i swear you guys hes gonna ban you all for pinging him XD
half tartan
let the man nap
brave comet
this guy has 99s and does 45% tier dev evoker 😂
that was a blue for warlock at 667, not kidding
indigo epoch
I thought whispyr disappeared to maple island or something
indigo mulch
How much does the buffs actually give us though i'm curious
marsh fjord
How much does the buffs actually give us though i'm curious
dont quote me on this but i think around 5%
indigo mulch
hmmm
marsh fjord
so thats around 13/14% gain with the other 8% which is pretty nice.
indigo mulch
I feel like its more than that though.
golden loom
I mean yeah ofc its more than 5%
marsh fjord
yeah i dont know really
golden loom
(for raid)
indigo mulch
Just goto wait for whispyr :C
marsh fjord
Man is gonna wake up to 50 notifcations
normal mist
Man gonna wake up and put everyone on slowmode if you keep @ him
cedar elm
are they buffs or nerfs
golden loom
well they buffed every button outside of the aoe button so its a raid buff
hoary remnant
I mean the reduce in aoe is fine and st is now insane its like 12% from live
winged quail
based off some napkin maths from a stix log it's like 7-8% of a buff? Maybe 8-9% I cba doing real numbers
maiden sierra
FATHER IS TYPING
main bridge
https://tenor.com/view/stressed-out-suspense-eating-popcorn-waiting-to-see-what-happens-gif-14120143
icy geyser
at least we generate more energy now in ST
normal mist
how come
half tartan
can all of you suck week 1-3 so we dont get nerfed
viscid spear
native turret
can all of you suck week 1-3 so we dont get nerfed
I'll suck all season dont worry papi
main bridge
can all of you suck week 1-3 so we dont get nerfed
jokes on you i suck right now
native turret
jokes on you i suck right now
🤝
frigid thunder
time to sandbag ⏳
viscid spear
jokes on you i suck right now
Go on...
red schooner
can all of you suck week 1-3 so we dont get nerfed
I've been sandbagging all season
You're welcome
subtle tundra
im hard
wanton willow
sandbag is my default
native turret
Go on...
Every time you message your avatar cracks me up. As a fellow black cat enjoyer
winged quail
sanding my bag till it ruptures
native turret
I have three
viscid spear
Every time you message your avatar cracks me up. As a fellow black cat enjoyer
That's my knucklehead Ash.
She's a little deviant.
normal mist
thats a cat
viscid spear
thats a cat
normal mist
RIGHT
indigo epoch
native turret
That's my knucklehead Ash.
She's a little deviant.
I have three knuckleheads. One is a deviant who terorizes everyone and is chunky. The other one is very sweet and the last one is afraid of her own shadow. When it storms she thinks life is over.
green magnet
The anticipation is killing me
viscid spear
I have three knuckleheads. One is a deviant who terorizes everyone and is chunky...
The Terrible Trio
winged quail
Whispyr is announcing the closing of the channel after these horrible nerfs I'm sure
native turret
The Terrible Trio
Thank you for sharing
green magnet
The Terrible Trio
If you were to assign a rogue spec to each cat what would they be?
viscid spear
Whispyr is announcing the closing of the channel after these horrible nerfs I'm ...
If the Balance channel in Dreamgrove is still kicking then nothing can stop us
maiden sierra
The Terrible Trio
the black one gives off rascal energy
the left one lil sis energy
viscid spear
the black one gives off rascal energy
That's Ash.
viscid spear
the left one lil sis energy
That's Ginger, she's actually the elder sister. That's their mother Hazel in the center.
native turret
Black outlaw left assa top subtlety
half tartan
Rogue dead
maiden sierra
the middle ones souls is slowely leaving (going ginger)
half tartan
Outlaw new play
viscid spear
the middle ones souls is slowely leaving (going ginger)
She's the most dangerous.
native turret
Whispyr put a weight on a key and walked away to fuck with yall
half tartan
Outlaw wouldn’t be that bad with some foot pedals.
sullen fjord
Guys, are we so back or is it so over
native turret
Its joever
red schooner
Guys, are we so back or is it so over
Can't be back if we never left
half tartan
Sin is dead 😦
native turret
Rogue dead
green magnet
@sullen fjord we will be fine my friend
fresh blaze
gg
wanton willow
Whispyr put a weight on a key and walked away to fuck with yall
cats walking on his keyboard for sure
native turret
Goodnight szpont
maiden sierra
She's the most dangerous.
mothers are dangerous
native turret
Can I have your gold
sullen fjord
You can have my 1472 gold 59 silver and 32 bronze
red schooner
The kitten has taken over control of the keyboard, the pinned message will be a message demanding dreamies.
native turret
Thank you
I will speak at your wake
He was not a rich man or even middle class man but he gave me it all
viscid spear
If you were to assign a rogue spec to each cat what would they be?
Well I named all my characters after my cats.
Ginger is a Paladin.
Hazel is a Shaman.
Ash is obvious.
half tartan
sin is dead⚰️
maiden sierra
Well I named all my characters after my cats.
Ginger is a Paladin.
Hazel is a Sh...
is ash a hunter?
native turret
Sin is 🧟♂️
maiden sierra
runic hinge
Nope the great new pin is upon us
HAIL
normal mist
this is almost fun
winged quail
sin dead?
wanton willow
we'd all be dead
spice spire
Take a shot every time someone says sin is dead
I’ll be dead king
native turret
I wonder if realz is like wtf I just buffed it
heady anvil
Take a shot every time someone says sin is dead
i dont wanna look like cheese
red schooner
I’ll be dead king
But what a way to go, right?
half tartan
Who’s our rogue dev?
native turret
Realz
maiden sierra
Who’s our rogue dev?
the janitor
half tartan
Range dh spec, hungering arrow
lean plover
i mean we just got buffed at least
spice spire
He’s not exclusively our dev
lean plover
i just need someone to tell me how it affects st and aoe
dawn kelp
Roughly 30% increase. We are now best spec in the raid
native turret
#notmydev
gritty laurel
real talk, original marauder set in d3 was fun as fuck
lean plover
Roughly 30% increase. We are now best spec in the raid
lets goooo, im happy then ty
spice spire
i just need someone to tell me how it affects st and aoe
The humble whispyr is typing message will guide you bbgirl
native turret
lets goooo, im happy then ty
Don't believeve everything you read. Assa is dead
lean plover
Oh no, i will believe what i just read and now im sad
spice spire
He realized that;
Blud writes for barbarians in d4. He is a fanatic of sorts
golden loom
Mutilate ambush buffs are great cause it makes us more likely to not play MA!!!
green magnet
shhhhh hes back
subtle tundra
guys doom assa is over
native turret
I got something you can master assassin
spice spire
guys doom assa is over
I will dick you tf down
red schooner
I got something you can master assassin
The bleed build spec
green magnet
I got something you can master assassin
dont worry it will only occur for 6 seconds then I need a 2 min break
native turret
dont worry it will only occur for 6 seconds then I need a 2 min break
True
subtle tundra
I will dick you tf down
hoe
unreal kayak
half tartan
Time to play FFxiv, sin is dead
red schooner
Mutilate ambush buffs are great cause it makes us more likely to not play MA!!!
Hell yeah, having vanish for quick mark swaps is so nice after Nerubar
native turret
Sin dead whispyr closing shop gg
native turret
Only for u bbgirl
What about me bb
unreal kayak
that just looks like echoing blades from BFA
native turret
🎵 Im at a payphone 🎵
half tartan
Sin dead warrior meta
balmy condor
More Assa Buffs On PTR
TLDR
Probably nothing changed but number went up. Fatebound is fully dead and gone, bleed build survives, targeted tuning good, lack of hero talent attention very bad
why
CT nerf was kinda expected given how insanely strong of a button it is, but I also don’t think it was entirely necessary considering we’re getting ANOTHER envenom buff, and caustic is both more accessible and more damage. Comparing what is essentially a 1 point aoe tool that passively splashes all your damage versus a 2 point investment for CT, which requires combo point spending, I don’t really understand why CT is getting the shaft and not caustic.
Fatebound is killed through 1000 cuts. Fatebound is unique in the way that it adds its own source of damage (tails), but also buffs all damage like an aura buff (heads). While on paper that doesn’t have a downside when we get aura buffs, it does have a downside when we get targeted buffs like these. Deathstalker pushes mutilate/ambush damage through the mark, envenom damage through darkest night, and enables vicious venoms. All of that combines into this just being better for deathstalker than it would be for fatebound. On top of another week without fatebound changes, the casket is getting lowered atm.
Garrote/Rupture buffs are a good thing imo, promotes a healthier balance between bleed aoe and just spamming envenom forever (which is why it’s confusing that we’re buffing envenom yet again). The balance between those doesn’t change much, but 13% to garrote probably brings back improved garrote.
All of that being said, yes buff, around 4% in single target, and it’s basically equal in m+, roughly depending on build (bleed build is slightly up, cleave is slightly down). With all of that being said, yeh. Hero talent balance gets worse, spec gets better
red schooner
'Bleed build is slightly up'
LETS GO
THATS THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FROM THIS THANKS WHISPYR
plush isle
So we got a 8% Aura Buff, a 9% CT Nerf to compensate and some new buffs ?
gritty laurel
i was kinda hoping they'd unfuck CB so fatebound might be like an option for certain fights or something
stupid, i know
dawn kelp
ASSA RUNS THE ROGUE WORLD FOR YET ANOTHER TIER!
half tartan
plush isle
I know this is the Assa thread, but Sub has to get something, right ?
half tartan
Yeah buffed black powder 🤣🤣🤣
dawn kelp
They have lost all idea what to do with that spec
cursive hatch
I know this is the Assa thread, but Sub has to get something, right ?
couple more BP buffs and we get BP on single target 😄
half tartan
I wish they would just hard sell on trickster sub and buff aoe by like 20%
golden loom
"probably brings back improved garrote" well fuck
cursive hatch
need nimble bugs fixed and that would help a lot
golden loom
Sorry @red schooner
half tartan
Hard sell on nimble flurry
red schooner
Sorry <@411515707151482880>
vagrant urchin
how much haste do we need for raid rn?
thorn thorn
lethal arrow
how much haste do we need for raid rn?
however much ur sim says to get
lean plover
i wonder how better m+ st is
balmy condor
i wonder how better m+ st is
lean plover
Oh i thought that meant 4% in m+ overall
zinc frost
Fatebound is the deformed twin locked in the basement never to see the light of day
balmy condor
runic hinge
# More Assa Buffs On PTR
__**TLDR**__
Probably nothing changed but number went u...
Thanks for the pin pookie love you
Xoxo
plush isle
what needs to change with fatebound to be more or less equal, would a flat number buff suffice, i just don't wanna play deathstalker anymore, why give a class that has trouble at targer swap an even more punishing toolkit.
dawn kelp
golden loom
what needs to change with fatebound to be more or less equal, would a flat numbe...
Fatebound needs Jesus
Like legit divine intervention
knotty nebula
Just never swap targets! Woohoo!
plush isle
imagine you are the designer of Fatebound.
balmy condor
imagine you are the designer of Fatebound.
I'm sad now
native turret
imagine you are the designer of Fatebound.
Got paid though
normal mist
I'm sad now
its okay man, its okay
golden loom
No amount of numbers can save the devil spawn hero talent
half tartan
Just give fatebound 30s kingsbanes kinda like ret pally execution sentence, and 1 minute vendettas
balmy condor
imagining myself as the person who needs to fix fatebound is pure depression
they designed themselves into a corner on that one
walked into a dark alley and can't get out
golden loom
Just give fatebound 30s kingsbanes kinda like ret pally execution sentence, and ...
And you are still stuck in hell
onyx scroll
hopefully we get 3 new hero trees in midnight
golden loom
I can tell you for free thats not happening
onyx scroll
its after 5 and I'm drinking. Let me dream
golden loom
Arent there 39 specs + new DH soon so that is a lot of work!
native turret
I thought hero trees were gonna change per expansion? Was that not ever mentioned
velvet ridge
if you ask me, we are a perfect class, thats why we only ever get tune nob adjustments
main solar
maybe not "3 new" trees, but the lack of big changes on them could definitely suggest they're working on them in a way that requires an expansion rather than just a patch. Add in whatever copium of unknown system changes that'll come with Midnight
versed mica
they designed themselves into a corner on that one
Which is sad, because it's basically entirely passive and boring LMAO
half tartan
Do you guys "like" Nimble Flurry
plush isle
When the second Hero Talent was being developed, Blizzard had two incredibly good ideas, and since they couldn't decide, they told the Class Designer to flip a coin.
Unfortunately, he misunderstood what they meant.
main solar
We also got our hero talents extremely late in the TWW dev cycle.
frigid thunder
If better garrote makes scoundrel cleave less appealing is something like subterfuge hybrid the more appealing poison leaning build?
half tartan
I feel like deathstalker is also so underwhelming comparing it to like the DH or Pally and a few other classes, just some boring ST damage
main solar
Some classes have some cool ones, but if all you play is rogue, I can definitely see the sentiment being "these suck, just scrap the whole hero talents system". They just seem so tacked on and carried by the fact that the base rogue class is in a pretty good spot.
versed mica
And with how much random bullshit takes us out of stealth, making the application of Mark be reliant on stealth is so cringe
half tartan
like when you have to move platform and previous target didnt die(queen)
versed mica
If we don't pick subterfuge sometimes youre just fucked and need to use vanish
cursive hatch
I lost my mark on Stix from being in the ball too long and didn't have vanish. Felt terrible, I wanted us to wipe immediately. Does any other class just get locked out of their hero talents for something like that? I can't think of anything others that I've played
versed mica
So much rogue class design just doesn't think about how fights or bugs can fuck us over
versed mica
I lost my mark on Stix from being in the ball too long and didn't have vanish. F...
Deathbringer DK does, kind of
They have a similar mark hero talent
normal mist
he's been saying that for a while now
uneven plume
main solar
Yeah, I just get more frustration out of them than anything.
uneven plume
🧐