assassination

[golden loom]

I mean its just completely passive

[royal lantern]

huh

[lofty mango]

I just think it’s a boring concept

[nova kelp]

I'd go so far as to say I actually preferred the old version

where it was a random point

"random"

[balmy condor]

that's the worst thing?

[nova kelp]

the worst

[balmy condor]

out of all the things you could think of

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha it is kinda boring, but a boring "next 2 finishers are stronger" passive is not problematic lol

[lofty mango]

I’m saying it’s boring

[balmy condor]

it is

[nova kelp]

yeah it BECAME boring because people complained that the "random point" version was too complex lol

[lofty mango]

That’s that I mean I just think it could be better concept around the stronger finishers like feral has

[haughty flicker]

imagine if supercharger was a button you could press

[balmy condor]

but that's not really a problem

[marsh fjord]

But supercharger just adds other combo point on top of your finisher right? i dont need to think about it?

[spice surge]

Idk theres a bunch of very small things they could do to sub that would alleviate most of the issues people have with sub without actually changing the flexibility and fun aspect of it

[haughty flicker]

and then you had a minigame where you land on certain combo points to use them

[royal lantern]

yes

[haughty flicker]

that would be cool

[fallow canopy]

[royal lantern]

you ignore it exists and just play

[spice surge]

But the least played spec in the game aint getting much development time

[golden loom]

Echoing repreimand was also just kinda boring cause you just pressed it on cd anyways

[spice surge]

Which makes sense but it is what it is

[balmy condor]

people been bitching about rogue having too much going on for well over a decade, blizzard makes boring passives and we go "its boring"

[haughty flicker]

mfw different people have different opinions

[fallow canopy]

could you imagine that making it to live?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah but what are they supposed to do

[lofty mango]

It is boring it’s not engaging at all 🤣

[haughty flicker]

nah that would be insane

would never happen

[fallow canopy]

never ever ever

[nova kelp]

it took 20 years to finally not have to maintain slice n dice

lol

[golden loom]

Dw that will come back any day now

[lofty mango]

lol that is so true

[fallow canopy]

snd removed meant that the cat bongo gif is not canon anymore so that's sad

[royal lantern]

we just want class fantasy but also not being weak at specific things but also be strong in specific things because its part of my class and nobody else should do that good and having engaging gameplay but also not more then 3 buttons because then its buttonbloat

whats the problem??

[haughty flicker]

we could make a new cat bongo gif

[golden loom]

Just gotta swap to a game where it is relevant

[haughty flicker]

it would be pretty easy atm

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-of-truth-horse-of-agreement-horse-horse-agree-agree-gif-12047072666965428527

[lofty mango]

What if they did an empowerment style rupture, then you can choose to use how many CP you want, I would love that

More brain needed more engaging

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[nova kelp]

would it though?

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-loop-gif-25594440

[nova kelp]

we'd just number out what the best method was and force that single style

[lofty mango]

For me because you would actually need to think about it rather than oh nice bam bam 2 finishers empowered

[royal lantern]

aka "sim figured out X CP is objectively the best and you alway do it"

[fallow canopy]

too busy playing the fr*nch game

[lofty mango]

But that could vary depending on 1, 2 3 etc targets I think that would be cool personally

[nova kelp]

we had a version of induction that had a simple minigame
but that minigame was too complex apparently, because chilling out till your cp hit that random cp node was more worthwhile complaining about than just being able to change target quickly

but w/e

[balmy condor]

more complex aoe, just what sin needs

[royal lantern]

mate sorry but, you just say random words rn

[lofty mango]

I really like the roll the bones concept for outlaw something similar for the other 2 would be cool

[golden loom]

Atleast we are not in cancelaura darkest night hell

Thank god

[nova kelp]

idk if this is a hot take or not
but
OLD spam the bones dice factory rogue > roll the bones long CD rogue

[haughty flicker]

speaking of darkest night

i wonder if we ctw in vv build again in st with tier set

it buffs ctw right

[lofty mango]

Like with sin possibly throw 6 vials they randomly proc haste mastery increase or decrease depending on the amount of green vs red

[haughty flicker]

oh its only during shiv though i reread it

still

also answered already so

[thorn thorn]

Instead we are in hell of having no hero talent if DN or mark drops for any reason

[haughty flicker]

-100 social credit for not remembering pins

[nova kelp]

honestly, as boring as it would be, I kinda wish DSM was just a button at this point lol

you press it again when you wana switch, or pop your DN

[golden loom]

Yeah fuck it just make it like hunters mark

[haughty flicker]

yeah you could name it something cool

like marked for death

and it would reset if the target died

[nova kelp]

I mean thematically that's all it is, but the mechanical use of it is just janky

[lofty mango]

You know what at this point just make it boomie but melee

[nova kelp]

bring back dot sin - turn DSM into a stacked dot that you can only put on one target at a time

idfk

I just know the current one makes me smh sometimes

[thorn thorn]

[nova kelp]

actually though down with envenom, up with dots

mate, it's kinda true though right, so often a lot of wish lists have a habit of kinda matching a lot of legion shit

it might be like they were onto something there

[lofty mango]

Because legion was amazingly done for rogue and other specs

[thorn thorn]

Legion was pretty peak for quite a few specs

[nova kelp]

whispyr would hate this, but the best 2 weeks rogue ever had...
throw knife FoK sin during the bug in antorus lolololol

[royal lantern]

or that people love to forget the bad parts in the past because nostalgia is a HARD hitting thing

[lofty mango]

Every raid had minimum 3 rogues they rolled every other spec and they got taken to 90% of mythic CE guild if they were half decent because of cloak

[royal lantern]

🙂

[terse brook]

When playing bleed build is it really important to focus on big envenoms from deathstalker? I find myself loosing track of it often as I recently switched back to rogue

[royal lantern]

what are you even talking about rn

like srsly

[thorn thorn]

Imagine having to make a new character cuz you got the wrong leggo

[lofty mango]

Legion rogue

[nova kelp]

I mean true, but when the wish list stuff has a habit of landing pretty closee to some of the legion staples it is kinda a thing
it's obviously cherrry picking though

[royal lantern]

legion rogue, aka "outlaw is not a real Spec" and "assa is poison bomb rng"

and every Single spec in the game being a CD burst spec with 0 dmg outside of it

[thorn thorn]

We did get some pretty bomb spec designs from legion

[nova kelp]

the reason every raid had 3 rogues was less because of direct POWER and more because every boss had 44234242345235253 soaks needed to be done

[lofty mango]

That was an oversight to say the least from blizzard 🤣

[royal lantern]

where the fuck did you had "every raid minimum 3rogues"

like, stop yapping lol

rogue was dumb strong in tomb and that was kinda it

and even there you didnt stack 3 rogues lol

[lofty mango]

Brother it’s not literal it’s an overreaction but rogues were stacked in tomb and antorus

Because of the immune ability

[nova kelp]

there was a lot of bad parts of legion
eg nearly the whole xpac prior to the QoL patch even

and the arcano crystal

[thorn thorn]

Double Pet BM and Kingsbane for Sin some of my favorite things to come from legion

[nova kelp]

THE FUCKING ARCANO CRYSTAL

they removed hunter traps...

fucking lol

[thorn thorn]

Plenty of bad parts

[nova kelp]

noone remembers when I bring it up, they fucking COMPLETELY removed traps
and shortly after were like "hmmm yeah soz that was an oversight during "the prune", we'll bring those back"

[royal lantern]

you know how a guy engages witz the game based on how they think about legion

cus everyone that did somewhat higher level gameplay hated legion for half of its runtime, and all the forum andies loved it because xXxRetMästerxXx could use Ashbringer and they got told 2000x a day how much of a legendary hero they are

[thorn thorn]

They have made a ton of goofy decisions over the years

Like in the DF beta when they said priest healers werent getting a kick because a kick is not something they view as essential for every spec to have

Not essential for every spec to have, only 2 specs in the game dont get one

[nova kelp]

rose tinted goggle nostalgia is a STROOOOOONG thing though to be fair to people

[thorn thorn]

And they are on the same class

[golden loom]

Having done the class order hall stuff recently for apperances and whatever that shit is cool as fuck

[royal lantern]

DF beta where they removed shining force on Priest because "there is too much aoe cc in the game and we want to cut it back" and in the same Patchnotes added 4 new aoe cc abilitys too other classes

[lofty mango]

Legion was cool the raids were great and the specs were fun just the raids dragged for too long that’s the bad part

[nova kelp]

I will still argue though that some of the good things that they had in legion they didn't maintain, SEEMINGLY (?) because of a desire to maintain the whole "this is just an xpac thing" design cycle

[thorn thorn]

Amirdrassil when they nerfed raid cds but literally only flourish and rally got mega nerfed

[haughty flicker]

shining force got removed because a dev's key was trolled by a priest

[nova kelp]

legion and mop kinda get MOST peoples flowers for the "best gameplay" trophies, there's got to be something behind that feelycraft

[lofty mango]

Surrender to madness still hands down the coolest thing for any spec to have

So broken with they kept it

[thorn thorn]

I just liked legion cuz a lot of the artifact abilities and effects were pretty baller

[royal lantern]

its less cool when you didnt get the right legendary and where literally unable to get a new one unless you abandon your 10+ year old character for a new one of the same class

or when you could literally never swap specs because you where permantely behind with them and every second you played another spec your mainspec got weaker

and grinding Maw of Souls over and over and over again

[golden loom]

Yeah I mean idk about any of that

[nova kelp]

a lot of people would say this, but then they also forget giga pumping their outlaw weapon early in EN - only to have it basically removed from the game and wanting to exit life the following week

[lofty mango]

All valid points

[royal lantern]

tbf, in MoP its ALWAYS just "omg warlock so good!!!!!"

when MoP warlock was just bonkers broken lol

most classes in MoP where far fron stellar in gameplay

[golden loom]

Just like the places and the vibes and stories of them are sick

[lofty mango]

But maw of souls was good dungeon and the grind was stopped once blizzard fixed the legendary drops in nighthold

[thorn thorn]

Rip outlaw, get fukt

[nova kelp]

this could be focused largely through personal anecdote mind

I know people across every spec that rave about their specs for various reasons in those xpacs

save the outliers, like legion OL

but then, that could also just be anecdote

[royal lantern]

ask WHAT they liked

[nova kelp]

I do

[royal lantern]

like srsly, just do it

[haughty flicker]

topping details

is when i have fun

every other time i quit the game

[nova kelp]

I'm not much for the whole "so stronk" comments

[golden loom]

I've been playing arms warrior a bit on mop prepatch, that shit does feel good to play

[nova kelp]

I care about gameplay feel

whenever I'm having those chats with people I focus hard on that

and people still mention those xpacs the most

[golden loom]

But its also new content for me so idk, its fun

[nova kelp]

by a fucking landslide

[royal lantern]

the answer is most of the time either a form of "i was top dps" or "i liked doing X thing that still exists in the game under a different name"

[nova kelp]

thats why I refer to it as feelycraft

because it is

I'm not referring to power

or numbers

[thorn thorn]

The artifact abilities and M+ are the parts of legion I liked

[nova kelp]

just "how did doing your shit feel?"

[thorn thorn]

Everything else ranged from notably mid to just terrible

[nova kelp]

and peeps instantly shoot for legion or mop

like every time

[thorn thorn]

The leggo system at the start was just inexcusably bad design

Imagine having your main bricked for prog because you got the wrong leggo and you had to make a new one

A+ design lads gg

[nova kelp]

well... except my current raid lead, he raves about slands...
it's not his fault, that's where he started playing

[thorn thorn]

I think most people are preferenced to the xpac they started playing in

[nova kelp]

I used to think that, but I'm not sure

[thorn thorn]

I was playing since legion extremely casually but I didnt play the game in any real capacity until DF

And I still think DF was a lot better than people gave it credit for

[nova kelp]

I feel like among the classic peeps, there's a significant portion of WRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH

[thorn thorn]

So long as we pretend S2 didnt happen

[marble nebula]

hey mates, do the assa st tree change on the ptr?

[nova kelp]

and for people who went longer it's mop

then for people who made it through wod it's legion

[royal lantern]

most artifact abilitys are Part of the game?

[nova kelp]

personally I look back really fondly on WoD - it for SUUUUUUUUUUURE had it's issues but man the raiding was sick

[haughty flicker]

rip dreadblades

[thorn thorn]

Ya

most

[nova kelp]

fuck, I forgot about DB... rip dreadblades...

[thorn thorn]

I liked most of the artifact abilities and their mechanics

Like KB for sin

[golden loom]

Vanilla = TWW >> MoP classic pre-patch >>>> cata dungeon finder is my non-biased ranking of wow

[royal lantern]

WoD had WoD sub which was one of the best versions of Sub

actual burst spec

[nova kelp]

I was still maining the best spec the game ever knew at this time

ranged

sv

but yeah I played rogue a bunch as my "alt prime"

[royal lantern]

ranged sv us the Ultimate "people talk about it and cant even tell you what it was" ever, ngl

like bro, what spec was survival even back then, it was literally just "dark arrow+explosive shot" and thats it

its like the OMG COMBAT SO GOOD OUTLAW BAD guS

combat was sinester strike+SnD+eviscerate lol

[nova kelp]

it had such a good feeling combat loop

a constantly altering cadence, with an intuitive reaction loop

some maintenance

some raction

some pacing

that all moved about

[thorn thorn]

raction

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee you 100% if it would exist like that today, you would not say that lol

[nova kelp]

you had slow down and planning in steady time

I do still

[royal lantern]

like, this is again nostalgia

[nova kelp]

I've been fucking with it in the ptrs and such

it's still the best imo

current marks is CLOSEish

but the static aimed shots etc have a different form of break up

you spend your downtime in your dumps instead

ranged sv was a thing of beauty though

numbers reflected it - BM was on par and everyone played sv

mind... BM at that time had a fucking busted complex opener

[royal lantern]

meanwhile current BM players complained about "button bloat" on expac launch because dark ranger made you use killshoot

[nova kelp]

fucking lol

it is weird playing for so long though and seeing the iterations have such a heavy impact on the playerbase

once upon a time the BM complaint was "the opener is like playing mozart on your keyboard"
NOW the BM complaint is "you can't play the game so you play bm with the one working hand you have"

[worthy rose]

i have just realized dk's are largely one button specs

unholy sanlayn is vamp striking and frost is obliterating

[nova kelp]

CURRENT unh dk

yeah

[worthy rose]

other specs are suboptimal

[nova kelp]

it's VERY simple

[worthy rose]

oh yeah current is

[royal lantern]

frost dk was always a dummy spec, yeha

[worthy rose]

i remember in cata unholy was more complex

the only tricky part of frost is if you play breath build

and you need longer living mobs to make it work

[humble verge]

can someone tell me how 4th raid tier/season 4 works when Blizzass is not doing 4 raid anymore

[nova kelp]

we don't know

noone knows

no blizzcon this year either

hells frozen over

everyone hates bungie

[haughty flicker]

i mean we either have fated again or we just dont have a s4

[nova kelp]

dragon age has no story

[humble verge]

wtf

is fated

🤨

[haughty flicker]

...the thing we've had for s4 two expansions in a row?

[nova kelp]

I actually think

we might get the next story install mid year

and they just skip a fated season

[royal lantern]

@worthy rose memes like that are 13+ years old btw

frost dk is like destro lock

people ask for braindead Specs and everyone repeats BM/Ret, and they are happy that they get ignored

[nova kelp]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate remeber that time when the caster trinket in ulduar reduced the cost of frost strike to 1?

[royal lantern]

so they can act as if they are nit braindead specs

[nova kelp]

and all you did for a boss fight was stack your runic

then 100 frost strikes

gods we were strong

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[royal lantern]

didnt they literally say we dont get it again

[nova kelp]

I THINK they did? but I wasn't able to find an actual STATEMENT when I was trying to find it for someone the other day

just an "Ion-like" kinda maybe but maybe not ripcord statement

[haughty flicker]

if enough people believe they said it then it becomes reality

(i have no idea if they said it or not)

[nova kelp]

if we're NOT getting one, then s3 is eitherr CRAZY long or we're getting a very early xpac

"xpac"

whatever the fuck they're calling them now

[haughty flicker]

they did say they want faster expac cadence

[nova kelp]

chapter?

fucking

idk

[thorn thorn]

Kinda like how current demo is very simple

But aberrus Demo was complete cancer to play

[nova kelp]

maaannnnnnn I liked aberrus demo lol

I understand I'm wrong

[main bridge]

Was it worse than Nether Portal?

[nova kelp]

I also liked nether portal...

lol

[thorn thorn]

Nether Portal was aberrus Demo

[main bridge]

Ah ok

[thorn thorn]

Omega cringe opener and if you messed up a single global it was like a 10% loss minimum

[nova kelp]

I enjoyed it man

[main bridge]

I took a break during Razagath

[thorn thorn]

PI was also 12% value for demo because pitlord was so strong

[main bridge]

So I missed all that

[nova kelp]

every single warlock tells me I'm OBJECTIVELY incorrect though

so

I must be lol

[thorn thorn]

Yes

Cuz you are

Nether Portal in the way it was made was like the worst omega cringe gameplay possible

Imagine if KB was a 3m cd and instead of poison applications it was the amount of envenoms you used during it

[nova kelp]

PI is a problem

honestly

[thorn thorn]

And it was tuned so strong that literally nothing else mattered

[nova kelp]

PI should just be removed from the game

[main bridge]

I agree it was cringe because it was like a 10 step opener and if you fucked up any part you were owned

[nova kelp]

if I ever talk to someone again and they say the sentence "you need PI for the spec to function as it's intended"

I will fucking

kick a baby

[haughty flicker]

Do it coward

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/southpark-bestof-baby-kick-gif-4834772

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/lalafell-punt-lala-kick-gif-26583074

[nova kelp]

imagine legitimately unironically thinking taht they balance certain specs as if they INTEND pi to be stacked on that spec

[thorn thorn]

So every 3 minutes for 14 seconds you would instead just do FoK and envenom at 1 combo point

And it would be omega cringe

[haughty flicker]

Not to defend warlocks but what blizzard intends is irrelevant

[thorn thorn]

Aberrus Demo and Unholy used to be this way

[haughty flicker]

I doubt blizzard intended sub to rely so much on skyfury but it does

[nova kelp]

that might be the most based sentence ever uttered in the real world

[thorn thorn]

Also Dev got a nerf to its CD and PI was specifically referenced in the bluepost for why it was nerfed

[nova kelp]

nah aberrus demo got massive boosts from pi, like you wouldn't NOT give it to them because of the sheer power
but the spec FUNCTIONED as intended without pi

it just felt better with

but feeling better doesn't dictate that it was crafted TO have it

[thorn thorn]

Debatable at best

Your opener was unironically different with PI

Just because the extra haste would change a bit how you could optimize the opener

it was mega cringe

And Nether Portal never needs to come back until they redesign it

Why they didnt make it based on soul shards spent instead of how many spenders you use during it is beyond all of us

[nova kelp]

they don't craft a spec with the intention that it works correctly every 2 mins when a completely separate class gives you specifically a buff

[thorn thorn]

They obviously dont design around that but it doesnt mean it doesnt happen by accident

[nova kelp]

like, that particular interaction had an insane throughput that we as a playerbase optimised the fuck out of

but the spec, like any spec, literally functions as intended, or attempts to in some cases lol

[thorn thorn]

Thats also part of the reason they are trying to kill the omega haste stacking in specs that are traditionally PI specs

Unholy got its haste stacking killed

And going into 11.2 it gets actually decent crit scaling

[worthy rose]

so what youre syaing is seaforium can actualy be a good trinket?

[thorn thorn]

Chat who is gonna tell him about arcane in aberrus

[worthy rose]

and not a cope for unholy

[thorn thorn]

Yes

I havent been keeping up to date on what Taz has been saying

But his initial numbers said that with a decent amount of mastery crit will become very good

[worthy rose]

interesting

will we be crit mastery'ing in general as both unholy and frost

this would be excellent if i can gear both specs at the same time

with one set of gera

very based

[thorn thorn]

Unholy becomes a spec thats just a "wants everything" spec instead of just wanting only one or 2 stats

Haste probably still better a bit cuz pet spec

But ill let you discuss that with the people who actually play unholy

[worthy rose]

ive been starign to main frost

[humble verge]

so what the fuck

[worthy rose]

since that seesm to be the meta

[humble verge]

we are 37 raiders combined of officers, core and trials

💀

[thorn thorn]

?

[humble verge]

we are 37 raiders for next tier

somehow

[haughty flicker]

So uh

Does your guild expect 17 people to just sit on the bench without like

[humble verge]

no idea

[haughty flicker]

Just doing their own thing instead

[humble verge]

i have no idea

[haughty flicker]

Lmao

[humble verge]

i assume some of them have quit for next tier

well atleast i know

[worthy rose]

why would you ahve 17 people sit out

[humble verge]

2 of them

[worthy rose]

just pug 3 people to have two fully formed groups

[haughty flicker]

Maybe it's so you can do 10m and 25m

[humble verge]

yeah but like

out of all the 37 raiders

theres only like 4-5 healers

and 2 tanks

[worthy rose]

time to pull straws

the short straws have to respec blood

and whatever heal spec

[haughty flicker]

Then you don't have anyone able to swap if you raid multiple days of the week

[humble verge]

lmao

[haughty flicker]

Which is kind of a core purpose of a bench

[worthy rose]

17 bench warmers is kinda wild tho

but i suppose guilds gotta do what a guild gotta do

[humble verge]

the thing is

[worthy rose]

i dont raid for that exact reason

[humble verge]

im the only rogue

:3

but idk why we've recruited so many wtf

:D

[worthy rose]

based

[humble verge]

weve had a lot of people join mid tier

[worthy rose]

raiding is such a huge commitment tho ngl

[humble verge]

this tier

[worthy rose]

some of us got stuff to do

haram to commit

[humble verge]

yeah

[worthy rose]

i cant sit there raiding for who knows how long

[humble verge]

i get that

[haughty flicker]

Why does the largest bench warmer not simply eat the smaller, weaker bench warmers

[humble verge]

thats manslaugther

[haughty flicker]

Don't leave evidence?

[thorn thorn]

Me when I lie

But real talk tho raiding is a big commitment

I would love to do mythic or even CE raiding but no time to do it

[worthy rose]

same

i was super tempted to pay a guild to carry me just to kill oab for killscore

so i could dinar a bestinslot and hoc

but then i realized it wont be worthit for the minor dps increase

hope next season dk and rogue dont need raid gear

[humble verge]

are EU harunie

[worthy rose]

oce/na

[humble verge]

tough luck

[worthy rose]

unfortunate

[thorn thorn]

In the past when I tried to find an actual mythic team my availability being only tuesdays was understandably a massive deal breaker

[worthy rose]

if i had to make a concious choice between hitting up my fwb or raiding in wow and wiping for hours on end

yall know what id be choosing

[thorn thorn]

Im not sure what a fwb is

[worthy rose]

friend with benefits

[thorn thorn]

I think most of us would be making a similar choice

[cursive frost]

what talent should you drop if wanting to take iron wire?

[humble verge]

I WOULD BE RAIDING, NO UNREQUITED LOVE

[storm forum]

same

and i think something has gone wrong if im saying that

[thorn thorn]

Right most of us would be choosing to raid

Cuz we got bosses to kill

[haughty flicker]

Sorry no fucking on Tuesdays or Thursdays I need to reclear

[humble verge]

man

i loved this beam

[haughty flicker]

That's a nice beam

[humble verge]

it was fun watching pugs die to it

:3

[worthy rose]

you know whats the funniest wipes

when ur doing gally

and the group gets gally to the last 5%

then you watch everyone forget what mechanics are and try greed fo rit

and wipe

no bombs done no nothing

just wipe

[main bridge]

hard not to find that frustrating tbh

[humble verge]

average pug

[haughty flicker]

incredibly based

everyone else shouldve done mechanics i need to parse in execute

[humble verge]

who in their right mind needs this

[main bridge]

probably people who fix PCs

[humble verge]

wtf is this supposed to mean

argussy

[worthy rose]

did you insert yourself somewhere u shouldnt have

[haughty flicker]

gussy up = dress up

[humble verge]

idk

[haughty flicker]

it aged a bit poorly

lmao

[thorn thorn]

Extremely poorly

[worthy rose]

nah nah

uber definitely inserted himself somewhere he shouldnt

[thorn thorn]

He always is

[worthy rose]

https://tenor.com/view/scarseven-gif-9974438153675837610

[thorn thorn]

Have you not been keeping up on the boost raid lore

[worthy rose]

boost raids?

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/333-gif-16633742758176803867

[worthy rose]

how do i sign up to be a booster for raids

i need a group to actually raid gud with

[humble verge]

me

i am the boost raid lore

[thorn thorn]

Yes

[worthy rose]

i also found out outlaw is the single most boosted spec

holy shit

mythics and raids

so many dogshit outlaws

[thorn thorn]

Uber is always finding himself in groups he shouldnt be in

[thorn thorn]

Didnt whispyr cover this like 3 months ago

[worthy rose]

yeah

we were all looking at the stats

and were like holy shit

[marsh fjord]

If lingering darkness isn't up and we get a clear the witness proc because we just consumed darkess night do we still use FOK in ST?

[sharp turtle]

do we know if rogue got any updates in the past week? or still looking the same

[marsh fjord]

same

[humble verge]

see pins

if u ever need an answer

[sharp turtle]

i always forget the check pins, rogue updates theirs fairly frequently

do we know if sin is looking to be the play over outlaw

currently on ptr

[marsh fjord]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[humble verge]

i have 3 assa rogues

[sharp turtle]

does that mean sin shits on outlaw

[drifting cloud]

whens the last time you saw outlaw on high end prog

[humble verge]

no

i just have 3 assa rogues

[pure moth]

To early to tell

[haughty flicker]

my rogue has a button that lets him swap between specs

[pure moth]

Still weeks away from live

[haughty flicker]

its pretty neat

[sharp turtle]

tbh i dont know many people who play rogue

[humble verge]

yeah ive got 9 specs

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Pixel machine 🅱️ roke

[humble verge]

2 liter machine 🅱️roke

[thorn thorn]

Damn wtf

I want my sin rogue 🅱️oneless

[humble verge]

man

sethical still makes videos

wtf

[thorn thorn]

Incredibly deep fried meme

[humble verge]

what in the hell is this hella sword

how have i not seen it before

he holdin nothin ❗

[haughty flicker]

yeah its dumb as fuck

which sucks because it would otherwise be awesome

[humble verge]

nah i bought it

[haughty flicker]

also you havent seen it before because it wasnt added until this week

[humble verge]

fuk de haters

ohlol

do people even spend TW shit on this

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069667540151844884/1070814867478560778/D1604373-7A2B-41E8-A1C0-46661F9291F4.gif

[humble verge]

man

its like

over 1,5m to fully upgrade all the heirlooms(that you can get from the heirloom vendor) what in the hell

its probably 2m if you count the quests and rewards heirloom

[main bridge]

i don't think it's really worth especially with the XP event and timewalking

just a massive goldsink

[humble verge]

yeah

i didnt imply it was ever worth it

even just grinding df dungeons

outside TW is worth i txd

if u want to

[shy creek]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[humble verge]

prayge

no fucking mount

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[runic hinge]

I am 0/36 on that one

[frozen glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-nightrunners-gif-16795761468229837051

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-deployed-alien-cat-gif-10264569409756179931

[static glacier]

lowkey

I just thought about the whole assassin trope

in rpgs

I swear rogue should have amazing dmg on target swap thematically speaking

how did this happen

[thorn thorn]

"DoT" class

[haughty flicker]

i never really understood how bleeds made sense anyway

poisons absolutely

but you dont really think of an assassin shanking someone and hoping they bleed out

[main bridge]

if you watch any show about prison you'll see it works quite well

[haughty flicker]

like the name garrote is thematic but not the game mechanic

[cinder geode]

I just realized looking at m+ rotation for next season are we just going to have to farm another pacemaker and another signet

[haughty flicker]

depends on the tuning of the new trinkets

but its certainly a possibility

[amber brook]

Atleast its not the same chance of getting a skardyns

[main bridge]

i won't miss Rookery

[nova kelp]

we will probably use completely different dungeon trinkets to those tbh

our trinkets this season were kinda ass compared to others

[true rapids]

dont remind me that dungeons loot pool was so overstuffed took me like 70 runs to get a hero skardyns

[amber brook]

we all share the trauma

[rotund oak]

got all leathers,wpns and trinkets fully upgraded

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zenith elm]

If i need to get a signet, i just wont ☠️

I hated having to skew my stats for it

[thorn thorn]

Just loot it first try fivehead

[worthy rose]

just keep running the dungeon nonstop

until you get a hero track

and then youre bing chilling

then prayge to the rngesus of teh welfare vault

would be crackup if rogues use signet and seaforium again in s3

[humble verge]

hurb

why tho

[waxen oyster]

i had ib talented on bandit

and ofc we dont wipe

[humble verge]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

also we kill gally too fast now

7min adds not spawning

[thorn thorn]

hurB

[native escarp]

yea that was it

ty

[rotund oak]

ive got many rogues,ending up playing the race that makes sense more in rated pvp

[humble verge]

lol

[rotund oak]

so i had to lvl up a rogue on every possible race it can be

[humble verge]

its around

a bit under 19k

per piece of armour

might do that myself icl

xD

esp now that its the uh

exp thing too

[rotund oak]

yup

[humble verge]

but im doing the darkfuse stuff

[rotund oak]

im not playing retail atm,prepin' for mop launch

[humble verge]

670 more

[native escarp]

also with blindside

do we cast ambush -> mutilate if we have the proc

[waxen oyster]

You’re implying you have a choice.

[balmy condor]

yeh, there is simply no way to cast mutilate if you have the proc

[native escarp]

oh ok

so i can just press the same keybind?

or it wont let u

[balmy condor]

it overrides mutilate, yes

[quiet oar]

Took them only more than a year to figure out the tech

[runic hinge]

assa was better when you had to do it manually

And I had a seperate ambush keybind

[quiet oar]

Assa was also better when Tea wasnt used automatically

[waxen oyster]

assa was better when it wasnt poison themed sub

wtf is this env spam

[runic hinge]

bring back

[quiet oar]

Kind of true

Well

Bleed Build isnt

so

[waxen oyster]

Yeah but that requires you to minigame

[quiet oar]

???

[waxen oyster]

aka m+

[quiet oar]

Yeah

Remember when KIngsbane was good

[waxen oyster]

i do like the people who choose to play assa

[quiet oar]

like in S3 DF

[waxen oyster]

then complain the spec is slow

when its the fastest its ever been

[quiet oar]

i remember

[waxen oyster]

yeah depending on PI

no thank you

but make kb real again

[quiet oar]

You could play without

it wasnt mandatory

[waxen oyster]

Idk i had to do cauldron this week

without warrior on monk buff

[quiet oar]

I couldnt care less so deep in farm about this

[waxen oyster]

idk raid buffs are dumb

but they’re stopping 10 mage comps

[misty holly]

What if warcraft logs changed things up so raid buffs are attributed to the person who cast the buff, similar to how they do aug evoker?

Then no one would have to be upset that their parse was bad because no warrior in the group.

Then Blizzard could also balance the classes who don't bring a raid buff up to match the real output of those who do bring one.

[quiet oar]

Nah bro

Thats

cooked

like cooked cooked

[misty holly]

Nah its just a different way of looking at the situation. Classes who bring a buff are way stronger than parses will show the way it is now. Especially if you are looking at smaller raid sizes where the choice between a monk or a rogue could be a massive amount of lost output for the team.

that doesnt show up on the personal monk or the rogues log

Historically there was no good way to display that difference. But blizzard's api and warcraft logs had to do a lot of work to make it so aug evokers contribution could be shown.

Now that the work is done, why not also show the contribution from other raid buffs?

[quiet oar]

Im sorry thats cooked. You cant really attribute that. Like Skyfury is the first Problem

[normal mist]

The skyfury might be the first problem, but the real problem is even caring about it at all

[red schooner]

It'd be interesting as a toggle, just to see how valuable the buff is to the raid as a whole. For some fights last season our only options were no warrior buff or a floortank warrior so, knowing the numbers in order to decide what was best would have been nice

[humble verge]

man, actually getting new earpads is literally night and day, never gonna delay fixing that shit again Xd

[balmy condor]

biggest issue is that the math doesn't add up

like it's REALLY difficult to reverse the buffs out with the way that blizzard set them up

near impossible tbh

[hearty seal]

is this because some are additive and some are multiplicative?

also, I think FFXIVlogs does just that for logs - there are several different measurements
https://www.fflogs.com/help/rdps

[balmy condor]

yeah that's always the comparison

bUt FiNaL fAnTaSy CaN dO iT wHy NoT wOw

but then you look at the actual like

"raid buffs" from ffxiv

and it's straight up like

[subtle tundra]

6% DAM

[balmy condor]

5% damage for 20 seconds

reversing out 5% damage is VERY easy

[subtle tundra]

me when complex things are complex

[balmy condor]

reversing out a chance for your auto attacks to double attack during kingsbane when to apply a doubled poison

is not easy

[hearty seal]

yeah they introduced that kind of separation the very same expac as FFXIV lost any kind of complex buff

and made everything into a +% damage (one +% critchance, I think?)

[normal mist]

They know how to keep it simple

[hearty seal]

too simple tbh

I miss old Astro cards

yes 30% of them were pretty useless, not a good enough reason to make them all into flat damage boosts

[royal lantern]

beating continues until you are a 2min Job that is a reskin of everything else

[hearty seal]

this is why I am here tbh
(I realize the irony in settling on Assa Rogue, yes)

[royal lantern]

i mean, wow also has a 2min or 90sec focus

the difference is

that there is a actual difference bettwen the specs

some are more cd focused, others less, playstyles are different

[hearty seal]

and there's outlaw who has like IDK
no actual burst, maybe a 30 second one if that counts lmao

[royal lantern]

ff just has the problem that everytning is literally a reskin of eachother

[hearty seal]

yeah it used to be different enough, then ShB started

DRK had like
a 40s/80s burst but not a big one

[normal mist]

I enjoyed FF more when I didn't need to play piano on some jobs to do the openings

Like ninja p.e

[royal lantern]

its why pruning is important soemtimes

even if people dont like it

[hearty seal]

when was NIN not a piano job for an opener
like back in ARR?...

[royal lantern]

ff has this weird thing where almost always you just get new abilitys, but there is no depth

so its just another button you press in your 100% static cd window

[hearty seal]

StB it was a hilarious level of piano because of oGCD mudras

[jade maple]

Hi - Anyone who has a 1 bottom poison macro?

[normal mist]

I got used to the 60/70 and maybe 80 openers

Above that holy moly

[hearty seal]

80 got super chill after they made mudras GCD (in like, 5.07 or 5.1, don't recall the exact patch, but before second savage tier)
then apparently someone said "hey wtf NIN is chill? who did this, make it not chill, stat" for EW

[quiet oar]

Isnt the gcd higher

In ff

[hearty seal]

yes but some classes compensate by having a lot of off-GCD abilities to weave

NIN basically had, at some point, a 2.2 GCD but during burst they had to weave four 0.5s buttons into those GCDs

[royal lantern]

yes

[royal lantern]

funny thing is, they are still slower then almost all wow specs

[hearty seal]

currently, ye

[grim jay]

And even funnier is, that wow specs are slow aswell

[royal lantern]

like, back in ShB, ninja was the highest apm job in ff, and it had the same apm as assa rogue lol

[grim jay]

So its snail vs turtle

[royal lantern]

tbf, korean grinder mmos where you spam 2buttons really fast are not really a good comparison

its like league players talking about high apm because they click the same spot 30x

[hearty seal]

there was a point during which NIN was like
60-65 APM even with 2.2 GCD, just due to their burst being very intense

[hearty seal]

ngl WoW specs are fast enough

[grim jay]

Well there are quite some korean grinders with more skills/class than wow

And they have actual Inputs to remember

Not 1 2 3 4 5 6

• Animation cancels and no gcd

[royal lantern]

animation cancels are a sing of failed game Design tbh

like, its the most obvious "we didnt actually want this" thing possible

[hearty seal]

ESO has them
and guess what's the worst part of ESO, the combat

they spent 10 years covering for LA cancelling

[grim jay]

So big games like LoL and most Action combat games fail in game Design.

[hearty seal]

as if it was not obviously a bug

[royal lantern]

no game makes animations with the intended gameplay being you not seeing them

[hearty seal]

nah some action games do

like DMC pretty much assumes you will anim cancel at some skill level

but in an MMO, eh

[grim jay]

LoL did it on purpose, one of THE games of the current time

As they had the chance to fix it but embraced it

[royal lantern]

they wanted to remove it multiple times

[hearty seal]

man fuck Riven, stupid-ass champ for stupid-ass people

[royal lantern]

and didnt do it cus of "MUH SKILL EXPRESSION ON RIVEN" outcry

[grim jay]

And they found a way, but kept it in

Ye

Because its actually legit

[hearty seal]

(I have not played LoL for 5 years now and thank God for that every day)

[grim jay]

Anyways, no matter how you look at it, even the high apm specs in WoW are only high apm specs in WoW, not anything insanely fast in the grand scheme

[hearty seal]

dunno, they're fast enough in actual encounters
that is, they'd get unpleasant if they were noticeably faster for the most part, like anything above 80-90 APM would likely be oof

[royal lantern]

lets be real, apm is a dumb thing to bring up often anyway

it often feels like as if people saw the "starcraft players have 3056702025070206882 APM" 15years ago, and then decided that its some meassurement for serious competitive gameplay

[grim jay]

65yo Hildegard on her last weeks of work at a secretary could manage any specs apm just fine without breaking a sweat

Ye its a dumb thing, dunno why people always think it has any value or brings difficulty at all

Or the whole "cant play bcs it hurts" topic. If thats the case you either cant because you know you have an illness or you should get a check up

[royal lantern]

everytime i read "i love outlaw but cant play it for more then 2 dungeons xddddd i love how fast it is :D" i scream

like jfc

get a checkup or stop

you literally fuck your wrist into permanent dmg at that point, thats not funny, thats a serious issue

pain means something is wrong

[grim jay]

Its insane ngl

[hearty seal]

the moment Outlaw migrates to just two guns, forever, I will find out if I have any wrist problems (doesn't look like it so far)

[grim jay]

Making it a close range gunslinger would actually be better than what it is now

Or remove the gun and make it a duelist

[hearty seal]

so combat again

[earnest remnant]

yeh if you get a shark tingling pain, you need to stop whatever the fuck you are doing and go see a doctor

[grim jay]

Nah just one 1h weapon or a forced dagger offhand

And then the whole duelist theme

Close to the fencing stuff

[earnest remnant]

if its like a how do i put it, similar to soreness and it gets a bit tight, you are more than likely very fine and just got fuck all for support muscles in your wrists/hands

[grim jay]

Ye at that point its just being physically underdeveloped

Which sounds worse than I mean it

[earnest remnant]

if seen alot of people complain about wrist pain when it wasent actually "pain" if that makes sense

just muscles going for a run

[hearty seal]

get slight numbness sometimes, that's about it

[earnest remnant]

that to me without knowing anything about you, sounds like poor bloodflow

[grim jay]

Ligaments stretching frequently for the first time, muscles getting some more work, adjustments happening because they usually dont experience much load

[hearty seal]

ye probs

[grim jay]

Or you let your wrist rest badly

[earnest remnant]

to be fair that could literally happen cuz of bad hand position or putting to much force down onto your table when playing

[hearty seal]

hmmm
if I think about it, I only started getting it a month ago or so, close to when I got a new table

oh well, time for a checkup anyway

[earnest remnant]

i had the same issue in my old apartment cuz my desk was too high

without realizing i was using a bit of froce to press down my arms on the table

• got shoulder pains from the desk being to high

[iron carbon]

Next purchase is an adaptative desk

[grim jay]

Adjustable desks, even up to standing height, got surprisingly cheap

Mine luckily had a good manual adjustment and I have a decently expensive chair thats fine-tunable, but I will certainly get one of those desks in the next years

[normal mist]

My next purchase will be a baby bed

https://tenor.com/view/toddlers-and-tiaras-hi-hi-hi-reality-smile-creepy-gif-11764045

[red schooner]

Good morning Royal

[normal mist]

Good morning my friend

[iron carbon]

Congratz

[normal mist]

I'm in need of my annual vacations but this year I'm pretty fucked

All of it will be me spending money and working on the new room

Working in a factory is good and bad

[iron carbon]

I got the feeling

Renovating my appartement

Every free day is spending money or time working

[livid folio]

Whats the generell opinion on assa for 11.2? Good bad dumpsterfire?

Would Like to go back to my old main from Classic to Cata but IF assa nor sub are decent… dont wanna play outlaw 😂

[normal mist]

Did you play this patch?

Next patch will be similar basically

Unless ptr changes happen

[livid folio]

I played my rogue in keys to like 2k something, dont think i got to raide with it yet

[normal mist]

Wait

[iron carbon]

If you play at this level, don't care about the numbers

[normal mist]

LOL

[iron carbon]

Just care about the feeling

[normal mist]

Exactly

@livid folio if you ain't a mythic raider rwf nor a top 1% mythic plus player, spec does not matter

If you like it, play it

[worthy rose]

congrats

royal D flux becoming royal DAD flux

[normal mist]

D was already for daddy

:3

[worthy rose]

[iron carbon]

Even for 1%, you can play what you want

I mean, if you don't try hard title or RWF

[worthy rose]

realistically like 80% of wow players could just use the one button rotation and do better than they would themselves

the remaining 20% are capped by skill issue than build issue

then the top 1% are the pioneers leading whatever fuckin around theyr doing

like when zeross comes in with a cooked build but makes it work and makes a meme about it

wow just aint that competitive

just have a good time

[iron carbon]

Can't be more accurate

[worthy rose]

people who try to competitize the game are braindeadge

[normal mist]

Tldr I'll be a dad to a baby girl, if everything goes according to plan she'll be out by the start of November

[worthy rose]

memes be memes

[iron carbon]

Unless you pvp prolly

[worthy rose]

ooooh exciting times

[midnight mist]

this is a weird example

[iron carbon]

Oh no, he's awake

[midnight mist]

he thinks, and is probably right, that his build is better and more competitive

litteraly r1 try harder

[normal mist]

He's french, it's almost 11:30 pm for him, or is it 12:30?

[iron carbon]

IT's 11:30 AM

[midnight mist]

and you take him as an example

ye

11:23

[worthy rose]

tru

[iron carbon]

Same hour than here

[worthy rose]

but im sayin even at rank 1 builds dont quite matter coz zeross and other players racing for r1 can make it work

coz its still skill issue based even at the top end

and sometimes even team issue based

some team comps work better with some builds etc

[normal mist]

10:24 here in Portugal, that's why I assumed 1 hour later there

[iron carbon]

You right buddy

Portugal is like UK isn't?

[normal mist]

Yes

[iron carbon]

France is like half of Europe

Hey Zac, where you come from in France?

Sunny or rainy side?

[midnight mist]

well, but he plays the best build possible tho, its not like he was playing random meem builds

[midnight mist]

too sunny

[iron carbon]

Ocean or Sea?

[midnight mist]

sea

im close to marseille

[iron carbon]

Montpellier or Marseille?

Oh too slow

Really close to Marseille? Or close like Toulon/Aix-En-Provence?

[livid folio]

Hey hey, i got CE yesterday 😉

[normal mist]

I said rwf

[midnight mist]

toulon currently, but i was born in marseille, and lived most of my life next to miramas

[normal mist]

You got rwl

[livid folio]

Congrats, got a daughter too, she is 5 now. Best thing in my life next to my wife

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah, hopefully everything goes well with my family too

[livid folio]

It will, dont worry too much. Although you will be worried for her the rest of your life 😄

[iron carbon]

Indeed, too Sunny

[normal mist]

Gratz on the CE tho. What I meant was if you're not playing in a race to world first level, it mostly does not matter

If you enjoy assa, you Will do good

[livid folio]

Well pure dps speccs suffer in the „will i get invited to keys“ minigame though 😉

[midnight mist]

Yep

[normal mist]

Yes, but we are rogues, we've accepted that long time ago

[iron carbon]

Or be #1 liek Zac

And just get into everykey

I've seen a lot of keys asking for outlaw in 20/21

I wonder why "outlaw" and not "rogue"

[livid folio]

Bleed build should profit from monk Buff in a phys comp no?

[iron carbon]

Correct

[midnight mist]

oultaw op

im actually surprised the top rogues all stayed assa still

didnt care

[iron carbon]

I think the permanent feint/Evasion helps, yes

Easier to play

I could give a shot bac kto outlaw

Didn't touch since TWW

[normal mist]

Bunch of OTPs having fun

[livid folio]

Said to my guildie who plays rogue too, that the only reason for me to play outlaw is to mog TF 😂

He only plays outlaw for whatever reason

[iron carbon]

Outlaw is fun

I mean, I enjoy everyspec equally

I swap between tier depending of feature

[livid folio]

I dont like the fantasy behind it

[iron carbon]

You're a Pirate

[craggy folio]

also a weird excuse not to play one of the best feeling specs in the game

[normal mist]

I don't like pirates

[livid folio]

A rogue is daggers and SHADOW ASSSASIB KILLER DEATH NOOB DESTROYER

[normal mist]

Millen gets it

[craggy folio]

a rogue is a "a dishonest or unprincipled person." nothing about daggers

[normal mist]

Be gone, yellow pirate!

🦜

Freehold is an amazing dungeon tho

[earnest remnant]

in BFA it was a shithole

[grim jay]

I wonder if you really are surprised

[rotund oak]

it was fine

[earnest remnant]

it was not fine

maybe if you only did your weekly key in it

[rotund oak]

u are hatin'

[grim jay]

Totally not subjective

[earnest remnant]

no

the dungeon design was absolutely horseshit

[rotund oak]

yeah i did push higher keys in BFA

[grim jay]

Hell no

[earnest remnant]

having to line of sight 2/4 bosses

or get 1 tapped

is not a good dungeon

design

[rotund oak]

imagine not having 2nd gear set vers stacked

[worthy rose]

yeah when hes pushing hes doing it properly

[normal mist]

I did it +15 and it seemed fine

[worthy rose]

but i recall him doing some meme builds here and there

[earnest remnant]

i still killed you

-.-

[rotund oak]

yeah it might

[warm vortex]

Rogue is a scallywag

A real scoundrel

[earnest remnant]

not might

it did

[warm vortex]

Miscreant, even

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/police-cops-sirens-gif-5801437

[rotund oak]

it wasnt always certain

[earnest remnant]

or you pull first boss

and he decided

you dont get to live

and shoots you 3 times in a row

[rotund oak]

and u could vanish/evasion/clos stuff

[earnest remnant]

you could not

[rotund oak]

u are insane

[earnest remnant]

the frontal shot killed you

[rotund oak]

if u got hit by the frontal

u suckd

sry to tell u

[earnest remnant]

thats why you LoS'd

ffs

nah cba

[rotund oak]

yeah so u wouldnt get hit

[midnight mist]

im not

[warm vortex]

Also omg royal your doing higher keys than me I need to step up my game

Tbh tempted to get the 4 more rating required to get to 3.2K

[midnight mist]

im unsure if outlaw is better than assa even

[normal mist]

I did it +15 during bfa

[warm vortex]

Ohhhhh

[normal mist]

Also omg hi ven

[warm vortex]

I’m stupid

[normal mist]

No your ven

[warm vortex]

Hi (soon to be dad) royallll

[rotund oak]

❤️

[warm vortex]

Is there really a difference at this point

[rotund oak]

RoyalDaddy

[normal mist]

D stands for Daddy yes :3

[grim jay]

Royal D'eez nuts

[normal mist]

Yes because I won't allow you to talk badly about my friends!

[normal mist]

That's why I'll be a daddy

XD

[grim jay]

Well kinda

I guess

[normal mist]

Hello davyn, how have you been?

[jade maple]

In AOE then spreading garrot and rupture during Indiscriminate Carnage window. Do I just stick to my main target with Deathstalkers mark from my main target or do i want swap around and try find my main target after? I really hope that i can stay on my main target and spread it like "ignite".

[normal mist]

You choose your main target and that's it

Once he dies or you gain DN you can swap it to another target

DSMis only applied to 1 target

[livid folio]

Well you can spread it to 6 targets instead of 5 and then go back to your main Target. Use a mouseover macro

IF you garotte and rupture on a target which doesnt have it yet

But you open on your main Target to Apply your mark

[jade maple]

Okay - So I can "minmax" a bit with that or just keep is simple and stick to my main target.

[livid folio]

You loose 1 garrote and 1 rupture if you dont swap

[jade maple]

Do you by any chance have that marco? 🙂

[frosty nebula]

why do zeros and shin play without crimson talent? dont they miss to much on aoe dmg?

[winter prairie]

Poison build is still the best in 11.2?

[livid folio]

You just copy any mouseover macro from the internet and sub in rupture and garrote

[jade maple]

Thanks for the help.

[earnest remnant]

thats why its a shit design being forced to LoS it is not good boss design, 2/4 bosses having a straight up 1 tap targeted shot was rediculously garbage it just straight up is and the fact that on first boss not all races could LoS it so you had to use fcking toys or while on the bird he could back2back2back shoot the same guy and there was nothing you could do to live that piss rng, you have to have serious rose tinted glasses on to not see that as bad design

[winter prairie]

Bleed build is still the best in 11.2?*

[earnest remnant]

its like calling legion the best wow expansion when it was the absolute worst for over half of it

cuz people only remember the last half

[livid folio]

Np. For your info, you hover over the nameplate of the enemy and press macro then. IF you dont, ut will do it to your target

[warm vortex]

They are both good as far as I can tell

[winter prairie]

In m+ I mean

[red schooner]

Ye

[warm vortex]

???

The bleed build and poison builds are only a thing in M+

Ofc

[grim jay]

Overall shouldnt complain, some ups and downs here and there. You?

[winter prairie]

Ahh nice ty

[red schooner]

I'm manifesting the bleed build in raid just you watch

[normal mist]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[normal mist]

I'm doing good man, life is good

[warm vortex]

Shouldn't you swap to sub before last boss on rookery too

[normal mist]

You can

[warm vortex]

On hight keys

[livid folio]

Someone watched too much shin 😂

[warm vortex]

No use doing it on a 12 or smth

i was moreso talking like, super high keys

[normal mist]

Swapping specs has been a thing for a while now

[warm vortex]

I don't evne know who that is haha

[normal mist]

Not just because of shin

[grim jay]

Gotta try to fill up the battery before you got 2 girls draining it.

[normal mist]

... Wait you have a battery?!

[grim jay]

Ye it just doesnt charge

[normal mist]

SAME

[warm vortex]

I have a battery filled with silly juice

[livid folio]

Really? Should look him up on yt , great dude

[warm vortex]

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt

[normal mist]

People used to swap in necrotic wake too

[warm vortex]

Tbh i barly consume wow content atm
Only came back for the mount event and decided to piss around in some keys aswell

[normal mist]

For the last boss

[warm vortex]

Tried DR and it's really fun

I remember trying MM earlier in the season and not liking it, but it feels more fun now
Even if there haven't been any changes lol

[grim jay]

DR?

[warm vortex]

Dark ranger

Hunter thingies

Think of sub rogue but with a gun

Like it even has black bleak powder

[royal lantern]

i allready said it yesterday: people that say legion was the best kinda admit that they only really do worldquests and transmog runs lol