hmm but it seems it didn't change much to s1 overall? I'm new to m+ and only played tww s1 and now came back.
#assassination
crimson zephyr
waxen oyster
I mean bleed build is basically the same?
normal mist
Once you're out of IC, try spreading ruptures and keep your main target garroted as well
normal mist
Crimson Tempest always up, both in AoE and ST
waxen oyster
Yeah that's the only real difference
crimson zephyr
so basically it's really just kb not worht anymore cause bleeds got a passive buff.
crimson zephyr
ok thanks
waxen oyster
bleed build is also great for tilting arms warriors
crimson zephyr
I liekd pressing kb 😦
waxen oyster
by sniping their execute mobs
normal mist
Kb good in higher keys
crimson zephyr
by sniping their execute mobs
nice
normal mist
where... the KB target lives more than 5 seconds
crimson zephyr
Kb good in higher keys
yeah but I'm too noob for higher keys
normal mist
Then let me put it this way
if in your keys, your KB targets can live the kb whole duration, use it
Which adds a layer of thinking that you dont need in bleed
crimson zephyr
yeah - I only started m+ in s1 and at the end gimped around in 11/12s and even there sometimes thought with a good group shit dies quit fast.
anyway thansk a lot for the input!
normal mist
you're welcome homie, hope you enjoy
crimson zephyr
you're welcome homie, hope you enjoy
just need to get good ^^
normal mist
comes with practice
haughty flicker
ive practiced a ton and never got good
somber sparrow
hardest part of bleed build is when you've used both your vanishes and need to refresh ruptures lol
haughty flicker
dont let him lie to you
crimson zephyr
ok differetn question: dungeon slice quick sim says I do 2.8m dps. does this mean I should be able to come close to int in a low key like 7 or is that simulating higher keys?
normal mist
it simulates +10s if i remember correctly
but you shouldn't take dungeonslice dps number by heart
crimson zephyr
it simulates +10s if i remember correctly
does it include a boss?
normal mist
because there are 12435132512 things that can change that number
yes
its like aoe - boss - cleave - etc
crimson zephyr
but you shouldn't take dungeonslice dps number by heart
can I take the damage distribution serious?
normal mist
i dont 100% know
normal mist
can I take the damage distribution serious?
yeah its a lot of "depends"
with a good group you can easily do more than the number the sims say
waxen oyster
hardest part of bleed build is when you've used both your vanishes and need to r...
tab target
worn geyser
tab target
counterpoint: mouseover
waxen oyster
with a good group you can easily do more than the number the sims say
love demisemaxxing in 12s and having SD as #1
waxen oyster
counterpoint: mouseover
real
But when the mobs packed tighter than quake's redacted
normal mist
@crimson zephyr use sims to determine what gear you want to be using instead of "i need to do this dps"
(atleast on the dungeonslice sim)
crimson zephyr
<@211756283584446475> use sims to determine what gear you want to be using inste...
I try to answer "do I have any big mistakes" ^^
normal mist
checkout the videos
return with doubts/questions
I'll then vanish and ask Whispyr to answer you
(he genuinely enjoys explaining things to people who are interested)
crimson zephyr
ok thanks! will do will do
normal mist
waxen oyster
(he genuinely enjoys explaining things to people who are interested)
"What head enchant do I use"
waxen oyster
my plagiarism of LE's wa is coming along well
Call it creative inspiration.
royal lantern
my plagiarism of LE's wa is coming along well
@slate crown wanna fill a lawsuit?
haughty flicker
normal mist
<@228712200385200130> wanna fill a lawsuit?
instead of a lawsuit, she can probably feel happy about it!
Her work so good someone tried to replicate it on their own way!
haughty flicker
every hunter wa pack is ugly as fuck
i couldnt continue that way
but im not even close to done
marsh fjord
@wise grove hi flux how your doing
normal mist
Are you 100% sure you tagged the right guy?
slate crown
my plagiarism of LE's wa is coming along well
That is indeed my style
also no if you're actually doing the work to make your own version that's wonderful
go forth
slate crown
I mean even if you made it as a full pack you're putting the work in
published pack *
haughty flicker
now i learn how to track frenzy stacks on a nice looking bar
normal mist
Sup my numbers homie, i'm doing good, just had dinner. How your day?
marsh fjord
years ago when i also tried rogue for a bit. my name was like all numbers. and someone in this discord actually named me numbers 😄
But im good 😄
humble verge
anyone think this is a elvui issue or gpu, only started happening in .7 patch
stable island
lean plover
idk but now i want to click each vault slot individualy to reveal the item
fallow canopy
Thats a demonic pink sauce issue
haughty flicker
anyone think this is a elvui issue or gpu, only started happening in .7 patch
wdym
i dont see an issue here
prisma cypress
easy way to tell, just turn off elvui
stable island
prisma cypress
alternatively you could say it looks just peachy 
nova kelp
anyone think this is a elvui issue or gpu, only started happening in .7 patch
avg ret pally ui
humble verge
avg ret pally ui
only pink
runic hinge
Probably an elv issue
hard river
holy salmon
nova kelp
the nu-i if you will
haughty flicker
nova kelp
scarlet orbit
anyone think this is a elvui issue or gpu, only started happening in .7 patch
i had kinda the same happening right after the patch. But it was either blue or green. Never salmon
main bridge
anyone think this is a elvui issue or gpu, only started happening in .7 patch
looks fishy
humble verge
i had kinda the same happening right after the patch. But it was either blue or ...
ive had them all then
idk if i had blue
but green and fully blacked out
humble verge
yea thats elvui
scarlet orbit
I mean i dont use elvui ^^
scarlet orbit
It also just fixed it self after some days for me. In raid i had to restart nearly every second try because it would glitch out again in sometimes this extrem way but more often just some random green stuff on screen
haughty flicker
scarlet orbit
For a guilde mate who had the same issue changing directX version helped. For me sadly not
nova kelp
NGL if that happens to my UI I'll probs just hit the guild up with "ah well, I'm not a wow player anymore"
mighty vine
more tuning as of 31 seconds ago
nova kelp
Oooh more "we don't know what to do, we'll just nummer bigger"
mighty vine
actually nvm, just looks like the aura buffs hit the datamine
fleet patrol
thats just the 8% changes
main bridge
oh i thought we saw a post about that already
haughty flicker
ye rogue stuff is all old
fleet patrol
yeh but i believe thats the actual ptr build
haughty flicker
nothing to see here
onyx scroll
what are the rando t3 azerite power changes?
spice surge
Nothing
marsh fjord
this wednesday im gonna be so doomed guys. im gonna reclear with a entire new guild who cleared entire mythic. and i havent even set foot in mythic LOU
main bridge
BFA classic incoming
marsh fjord
its so doomed
main bridge
this wednesday im gonna be so doomed guys. im gonna reclear with a entire new gu...
whats the point when new tier is in like 2 weeks
marsh fjord
Trialing, he wants to see how fast i adept
spice surge
what are the rando t3 azerite power changes?
Just a relic of how they handled some azerite powers in relation to the aura buffs, its completely irrelevant
onyx scroll
Yeah what I thought, but its really odd. Anyway, 8% is a start
balmy condor
Yeah what I thought, but its really odd. Anyway, 8% is a start
flat damage azerite traits that are spec-specific
specgets buff
things that are spec-specific also get buff
8% is 8%
lean plover
the 8% is from last week tho
balmy condor
correct
bleak ledge
mighty vine
still gonna be crest capped at the start at least
drifting cloud
now you can overcap 2k valorstones before upgrading your first item!
nova kelp
i have a better idea for valorstones
remove them
worthy rose
these fucking blizzard devs
they just refuse to acknowledge the problem
the problem is that valorstones exist to begin with
acoustic sky
I summon Realz
worthy rose
its such a useless fuck of a currency
we are already limited by crests
REEEEEEEEEEE
what blizz dev is incharge of these valorstones so i can send him a fart in an envelope
balmy condor
now you can overcap 2k valorstones before upgrading your first item!
where's larias to tell me how to optimize overcapping my valorstones 7 months before the patch
drifting cloud
they wont be warbound start of patch
waxen oyster
Oh right
worthy rose
i mean
right off the rip
we need to use 500
to craft two sparks to make our weapons
500 for a 2hander or 250 for a onehand mainhand
but again we're limited by crests regardless
so who caes about valorstones
nova kelp
on 5 characters
if I have to play other characters to optimise the one that I play, somethings wrong
worthy rose
if I have to play other characters to optimise the one that I play, somethings w...
have you played wow?
are we playing the same game
nova kelp
yeah I don't play other characters much anymore other than mount farming
ivory kraken
was the 8% aura not up?
vague dragon
guys i need good plater where i can got it
coral ibex
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
spice surge
was the 8% aura not up?
It was
ivory kraken
okok
dusk palm
where's larias to tell me how to optimize overcapping my valorstones 7 months be...
I can tell you but you’ll hate me.
balmy condor
PTR Tuning notes today
Just reflecting the 8% buff that was already present for mythic testing, but they're datamined now. This is the only tuning
No other changes or tuning for assassination yet for 11.2
balmy condor
I can tell you but you’ll hate me.
that's the neat part, I already hate you
red schooner
balmy condor
gottem
runic hinge
Hey did we get buffed today. I can’t read the pins I’m blind and deaf
balmy condor
Hey did we get buffed today. I can’t read the pins I’m blind and deaf
you're a ref?
dusk palm
that's the neat part, I already hate you
Fine. Make 3 new rogues. Gear them. Dont talk to a single rep vendor. Cap their valorstones. You’ll end up with 150 extra carved and 2500-3000 stones per new char
balmy condor
Fine. Make 3 new rogues. Gear them. Dont talk to a single rep vendor. Cap their ...
sure bud, people definitely do that
runic hinge
you're a ref?
red schooner
Dunno there's a dude in my guild making 7 mirror paladins
haughty flicker
Fine. Make 3 new rogues. Gear them. Dont talk to a single rep vendor. Cap their ...
balmy condor
Dunno there's a dude in my guild making 7 mirror paladins
for valorstones?
dusk palm
That would be the hyper optimization and it’s already been done on all liquid’s new mirrors lol. Remember liquid and echo also bought out 20 million fish for stones in DF
runic hinge
Wait why do I need extra carved
red schooner
for valorstones?
Boosting mostly but he said he's gonna use them for stone funneling as well
runic hinge
Do I care or is this some week one shit
red schooner
7 paladins scares me
haughty flicker
Do I care or is this some week one shit
Are you in rwf
dusk palm
Do I care or is this some week one shit
You’d need extra carved if you’re jumping straight into 12 heroic splits and then into M while 20 ilvl undergeared with no time for m+ with no heroic week
balmy condor
mental illness still going strong I guess
runic hinge
Oh shit. I really don’t care
red schooner
7 paladins just to parse blue in a 1k wr guild
1.3k wr I think you'll find 
runic hinge
Are you in rwf
Yes but not in wow
haughty flicker
Yes but not in wow
Wait in what
red schooner
But yeah he does a bunch of boost things but 7 is painful
spice surge
# PTR Tuning notes today
Just reflecting the 8% buff that was already present f...
We love reading datamining instead of reading the notes
balmy condor
now the patch drops and valorstones arent warbound and you wasted all your time
no no, they're doing it cause it's a fun way to play world of warcraft obviously no other reason
spice surge
Dont we folks
novel star
no no, they're doing it cause it's a fun way to play world of warcraft obviously...
world of warcraft isnt fun
grand trail
bro did assa get another 8% wtf
novel star
(me when i lie)
runic hinge
Wait in what
Race to world first seeing Stu go woo after work while my gf is still trying to get in the house
novel star
but for real fuck that shit man
haughty flicker
bro did assa get another 8% wtf
Read the pins nerd
runic hinge
(I closed and locked the door behind me)
balmy condor
bro did assa get another 8% wtf
I made a pin specifically for you
grand trail
smile
novel star
what the heck dude assassination rogue got an 8% aura buff twice !
the assassination rogue specialization will be imba no?
dusk palm
The heck man
worthy rose
did someone say assa rogue 8%
novel star
so sick
runic hinge
Being nice as heck this morning
runic hinge
He’s pretty fun
balmy condor
what a sick ass bird
erm, I think you'll find he is quite healthy
novel star
erm, I think you'll find he is quite healthy
somber sparrow
now you can overcap 2k valorstones before upgrading your first item!
if they're still going to be warbound, could transfer them to other alts while doing the story to not be capped
balmy condor
curse of ra in 2025 A.C. bro
grand trail
im just sad that no rogues notes, thats all
balmy condor
that's wild
grand trail
thank you for attention
novel star
you deserve this.
somber sparrow
im just sad that no rogues notes, thats all
it's ok, Whispyr said "No other changes or tuning for assassination YET"
balmy condor
it's ok, Whispyr said "No other changes or tuning for assassination *YET*"
I'm trying to will it into existence
hasn't worked so far
nova kelp
omg new tuning!? new sims where?!?! omg!
normal mist
Next step is to remove them
worthy rose
im just sad that no rogues notes, thats all
its better to have no notes than nerfs
-said by an unholy DK main
who is now becoming a frost main
runic hinge
I'm trying to will it into existence
Is it fatebound aoe buffs?
balmy condor
Is it fatebound aoe buffs?
It’s pronounced void bound and it’s a demon hunter spec
split veldt
am i dumb, but it says 12% now?
balmy condor
4 to 12 is 8
royal lantern
elaborate
split veldt
ah missed the 4
grand trail
4 + 12 is 18 tho
split veldt
told you i was dumb
runic hinge
It’s pronounced void bound and it’s a demon hunter spec
Are you main swapping
!!!!!
grand trail
guys its just numbers, you can do any dmg you want if you just try hard enough
royal lantern
i would go on, but im to tired for 27*2 rn
brave comet
whats the projection for assassination S3 are we doomed or are we blessed?
royal lantern
whats the projection for assassination S3 are we doomed or are we blessed?
probs same as always
aka
sub the best for the first month
then assa gets a aura buff and it doesnt matter anymore
brave comet
i didnt feel the need to swap to sub in the first month, so probably can stick around on ass again then?
spice pewter
roq boom rest doom
grand trail
i told my rl nothing has changed so ill just be playing assa
and you let your homies parry? not cool
haughty flicker
friends dont make friends play sub rogue
spice surge
It seems fixed anyway
main bridge
sub seems cool
brave comet
swap to bm
i know youre trying to joke, but BM will probably shit on us lmao
main bridge
except for the whole doing healer dps outside of cooldowns part
brave comet
hunter has been blizzard's pet this whole expansion - surv
haughty flicker
i know youre trying to joke, but BM will probably shit on us lmao
i wasnt joking, swap to bm
fallow canopy
Number chasers smh my hips
haughty flicker
except for the whole doing healer dps outside of cooldowns part
you just watch netflix during that part
then come back for the dopamine during blades
main bridge
runic hinge
Surf and turf vs ice soup
haughty flicker
?
dusk palm
friends if i want to play iron wire with the high bleed build, what do i drop
worthy rose
?
thats the true poverty meal right htere
ice cube soup
only second to the toast sandwich
balmy condor
friends if i want to play iron wire with the high bleed build, what do i drop
double shiv
brave comet
i wasnt joking, swap to bm
i can't i'm already miserable as is
dusk palm
double shiv
i'm now understanding why its not in the wowhead build. feels like a huge loss. that said, iron wire feels so clutch in disorganized groups idk
balmy condor
loss is very minor actually
it's just not something people really need or want these days
brave comet
so considering that fatebound is better next season for single target. and you dont get the energy regen from the DS hero tree
do you just spend a lot of time pooling in your rotation to compensate?
balmy condor
no, you just slam, just like you would on deathstalker
not that you would want to ever play fatebound with how it functions right now anyway
unless they fix cold blood's cd and address fatebound's aoe
it's not playable
brave comet
even for next season?
brave comet
wow
balmy condor
such is life when you make a tier set that makes fatebound a 1:30 spec
but then the required gameplay loop of fatebound forces you back to 2 min anyway
spice surge
Oh well, better luck next ptr 
visual sun
30 sec bathroom break
meager plank
!up
prisma monolithBOT
winged quail
but then the required gameplay loop of fatebound forces you back to 2 min anyway
Another aura buff might fix this tho
Just another aura buff and everything is sorted, no changes needed at all
candid sun
Any way to bake a castsequence into a modifier macro? e.g. main button press is shiv, but can still modifier it via a macro
Trying to add onto the shiv macro here
dusk palm
Explain what you’re trying to do
limpid trench
I think I saw some changes on fb, but I can't find them anymore.
candid sun
Explain what you’re trying to do
Mouse button is my shiv. I also have tricks and smoke bomb on it. I don't know if I can bake a shift/alt/ctrl modifier into a castsequence macro without it getting screwy
balmy condor
I think I saw some changes on fb, but I can't find them anymore.
You did not
candid sun
Fooled around with it but it was still popping tea when i'd smoke bomb or tricks
limpid trench
You did not
Let me dig it up.
dusk palm
Mouse button is my shiv. I also have tricks and smoke bomb on it. I don't know...
You can
dusk palm
Type [nomod] before tea
dusk palm
Then like normal mod shift or alt before tricks and smoke bomb respectively
Why are you using a castsequence
dusk palm
Ok the cast sequence is to prevent you spamming the button. I just don’t do that so I have it macroed without that
candid sun
Yeah I ran a normal modifier to test it
But I have the odd fight or boss or w/e where I'll get knocked or it'll run away so I waste a tea but it doesn't shiv
It's just annoying me at this point
dusk palm
You can also just keybind shift mouse button and alt mouse button
And make separate buttons for those
brave comet
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
candid sun
You can also just keybind shift mouse button and alt mouse button
Got it to work, my syntax was bad
Ty for your help
prisma cypress
@balmy condor if you care, the WA/macros/addons section of the wowhead guide has a duplicate sentence about weakauras2 in the intro before its actual section
and the wowinterface link at the end points to curseforge
sorry
ornate pond
Is my primary issue here not getting enough out of Spatter?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nvk2jXWZ6dLaRxPn?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=132
inner swift
why tf is wow token 430k 😐
native nimbus
It’s not?
polar rampart
its 292k on na
serene mason
why tf is wow token 430k 😐
Maybe because people are exchanging gold for battle.net for new expansion? I started also tracking to do that.
Maybe first two weeks of S3 the token will be around 350k.
native nimbus
theres more than 1 region believe it or not
impossible
gloomy silo
"Assassination sims for raid are showing really high Haste values. Should I stack Haste like the sim says, or should I limit it and spread stats more evenly?
rotund oak
we dont talk stats here
gloomy silo
haste is a good stat
I went with what the sim said, and now I'm sitting at 17% Haste... isn't that kinda too much?
rotund oak
🗡️
balmy condor
I went with what the sim said, and now I'm sitting at 17% Haste... isn't that ki...
if that's what the sim says then that's what the sim says
haste is good
there is no "too much"
there is only higher sim or lower sim
gloomy silo
Ah, I'm kinda new to Rogue, so I wasn't sure if it was okay to ask about sims. Sorry if it was a bother, and thanks a lot for the help! 😅"
rotund oak
generally shouldnt be bothered watching quantified stats like 15k haste or anything,just follow the sims
sim individual pieces on Dslice for m+ or Patchwreck for ST
and follow those sims
droptimizer/top gear works too
actually best thing u can do
balmy condor
Ah, I'm kinda new to Rogue, so I wasn't sure if it was okay to ask about sims. S...
it's not a bother, assa is just a bit strange cause we don't have bad stats
some people will look at haste or vers and go OH NO BAD DONT WANT THAT, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CRIT MAST
cause that's what they're used to from other classes I guess
but we just genuinely don't care all that muhc
our best stat is item level
gloomy silo
Thanks for the advice, everyone! 🙂
rotund oak
yw fam
lucid silo
our best stat is actually friendship
polar rampart
i thought it was anime feet
worthy rose
no its xalatath's feet
thorn thorn
i thought it was anime feet
Xalatoes
minor aurora
how is sin looking in raid next tier?
haughty flicker
i can i just dont want to tell anyone
buoyant herald
Yeah if I tell people what’s good then they’ll parse ahead of me 😦
rotund oak
Its Bel's indirect way of asking for feet pics
main bridge
fr
dusk palm
With high bleed build do you run double passive trink since no KB
haughty flicker
deathmark is still your major cd, you want something to buff it
coral ibex
had a trial priest/paladin bf/gf that joined during reclear this tier
got them really good logs
they already jumped to a higher rank guild
like 3 weeks in
polar rampart
lol
candid sun
Sad, the bf/gf that got recruited into mine just probably caused a guild schism
Thank god I wasn't present for that raid lmao
native turret
Thank god I wasn't present for that raid lmao
Spill the tea sis
candid sun
I knew a girl, we got along / she was pretty chill, we did some keys for a bit, I took a break / stopped being sweaty, I guess she got with the guy, I offered them raid spots for s2 since we were actively recruiting, but then when S2 dropped I was like "nah im not farming delves and doing this shit again" so just benched myself and unsubbed. I would occasionally stalk my guild's raider.io just to see what their progress was and after the two got removed they apparently fucking killed the 2nd boss lmao
When I came back, I saw a bunch of names gone or in different guilds and we don't raid anymore
Think I might try my hand at pvp or some shit this time around
main bridge
lots of guilds won't accept couples/friend groups because if anything goes wrong it's a big problem
candid sun
Yeah I was dubious when she bought up her bf was a tank
Mentioned it to rl, he didn't care
He seemed chill if a bit rough around the edges
Though I had no issues with them, I think it might've been the recent recruits clashing with the toxic idiots in our core
Benched myself for a similar reason
onyx gyro
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
zenith elm
Did anyone see the datamined buff for rogues ?
balmy condor
no one
zenith elm
Ok, sorry whispyr 🫡 i know you dont want another uproar
balmy condor
not like there's a pin or something
haughty flicker
runic hinge
Another referee in here
snow hamlet
tawny geyser
My morning always starts by checking Pins😂
red schooner
Check pins, check the cat thread, react to cat thread
misty holly
I keep hoping for Fatebound adjustments so it's playable in aoe
Surely they must know how behind it is.
grim jay
lots of guilds won't accept couples/friend groups because if anything goes wrong...
Friends are fine, as long as the group isnt big
Couples if both raid tho...
And one is suddenly really bad...
static glacier
I keep hoping for Fatebound adjustments so it's playable in aoe
Stop coping
We’ve not received shit all expac, why would they fix it now
At best they overtune it’s numbers and it’s strong st and makes us good there
static glacier
lots of guilds won't accept couples/friend groups because if anything goes wrong...
True, trick is to apply solo and actually not be a scumbag and act as an individual, not a package deal
In the guild before this one I joined with a friend, he gquit and I stayed for another tier, he told me to leave, I was set on not being this package deal kinda guy
Ended up gquitting midway through the next tier due to toxicity
runic hinge
I mean I think fb can complete 12’s just fine. It honestly does okay dps. The problem it has is it’s competing against deathstalker which has multiple aoe talents and doesn’t self nerf.
And blizz basically tunes around specs abilities to do 12’s
static glacier
Fb can do 16s im pretty sure
runic hinge
I’m sure it can
static glacier
The issue isn’t that it can’t
misty holly
I mean I think fb can complete 12’s just fine. It honestly does okay dps. The pr...
I'm playing Fatebount atm because I hate deathstalkers mark so much... so yeah Im just hoping I won't be even more shit next season.
runic hinge
But blizz ain’t tuning for that
grim jay
The only good thing about fatebound is the coming tierset, idk why people suddenly wanna play it that much
static glacier
It’s that it’s just worse than ds
misty holly
The current set bonus is pretty good for fatebound in aoe, Im not sure the new one will be... which means it's going to fall even more behind without additional tuning.
red schooner
The only good thing about fatebound is the coming tierset, idk why people sudden...
Guaranteed capstone on pull fixes one of my big issues with it
static glacier
I played maybe 50-70 fatebound keys this expac, it’s not awful and you won’t start losing overall to everyone
runic hinge
The only good thing about fatebound is the coming tierset, idk why people sudden...
Tired of deathstalker tbh. Tired of the mark. Tired of overcapping for a stupid mini game
static glacier
But there’s no shot they fix its aoe
grim jay
Guaranteed capstone on pull fixes one of my big issues with it
Wish I could say the same
grim jay
Tired of deathstalker tbh. Tired of the mark. Tired of overcapping for a stupid ...
Overthinking at its finest and I havent had issues with the mark forever
static glacier
Overthinking at its finest and I havent had issues with the mark forever
When was the last time you played fb in a key
It feels like a luxury dude
misty holly
Guaranteed capstone on pull fixes one of my big issues with it
Yes, it's very good in single target raid especially. But Deathstalkers set bonus in the new set looks huge for doing AoE... and if that's what we're balanced around then fatebound is going to tank.
static glacier
No mark to fuss about, no dn - then you realise ur bleeds and envenom are anemic without ds
misty holly
Right now Fatebound is like 15% behind or so in sims. Im afraid we might be 20-25 behind in 11.2
Which feels like a total design failure to me.
grim jay
No mark to fuss about, no dn - then you realise ur bleeds and envenom are anemic...
I dont mind the mark at all tho
runic hinge
Overthinking at its finest and I havent had issues with the mark forever
My issue with the mark is it makes a spec that’s already target locked during cds, target locked all the time. Pressing mutilate on 6 feels bad.
static glacier
I dont mind the mark at all tho
Yes, we’re used to it after however many hours we’ve played it
grim jay
Yes, we’re used to it after however many hours we’ve played it
I never minded it, not even at the beginning or where it was buggy
static glacier
I hated it on principle
Refused to play ds until mythic in nerubar, played fatebound for all week 1 let’s
Keys
They never made it a competitive option 😔
grim jay
My issue with the mark is it makes a spec that’s already target locked during cd...
No biggie at all tbh, you need to have a target anyways and with a decent setup you should have anyways, it really isnt hard to keep track.
I personally dont have feelings pressing any key
misty holly
I dont mind the mark at all tho
I can't manage the mark in aoe because I switch targets way to much. Ive never played with mouseover casting, and dont really want to start now.
Fatebound makes the game still playable for me. since I dont have to target lock
but its balanced so badly which annoys me
grim jay
The only hard feelings I ever had for pressing a button was that stupid barrage thing outlaw had going on
grim jay
I can't manage the mark in aoe because I switch targets way to much. Ive never ...
I dont use mouseover either
The issue is probably that you switch targets way too much ye
misty holly
Just the amount of times I tab rupture, tab kick, tab kidney shot its like contant
ionic agate
Hello and good morning from South Africa.
static glacier
I can't manage the mark in aoe because I switch targets way to much. Ive never ...
Play is to only mark the massive big hp mob so it’s easy to target it again, can also use focus macros etc for kicks or for mark target
grim jay
Why aren’t you unholy then
Also unholy feels good tbf
Of all the changes they did in the last years
The unholy changes were glorious
Just like the upcoming changes
static glacier
Also unholy feels good tbf
I prefer frost, both feel kinda 3 buttony
Oh the upcoming uh changes idk much other than crit scaling
My dk is bis geared, felt strange on unholy pressing cds and seeing a number I didn’t feel I earned yknow
grim jay
Gotta see how it turns out but I liked what ive read. I mainly play bdk tho
static glacier
Agency? Yes
Double the healers HPs casually? Yes
Sick sound effects on both hero trees and both are good
👌
grim jay
Brewmaster in legion was the only other tank that ever felt close to me, but mostly with legendaries
ionic agate
Being a bit older I am using 1 button rotation and it’s kind of okay, don’t need to be world first.
Can anyone help me with a opener from stealth and then going into 1 button?
static glacier
All tanks kinda felt a bit blood dk-like in mop tbh
You take a chunk of dmg, low hp with a lot of vengeance voila all ur self heals are LoH
static glacier
Being a bit older I am using 1 button rotation and it’s kind of okay, don’t need...
Sure thing, what content are you doing, number of targets, what talent build are you using?
Dungeon, raid, delve, open world
balmy condor
press your one button until it ruptures
then press deathmark
and go back to the one button
should work fine
static glacier
Ain’t no way one button opens properly on aoe
granite sentinel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
grim jay
When I tried it
Shame on you
static glacier
I was curios 😔 ngl it was worse than what I expected for sin
balmy condor
it doesn't know what pandemic is
static glacier
Coped myself into thinking the gcd penalty would fuck us less than specs with no downtime
balmy condor
but like it's fine in general
ionic agate
Sure thing, what content are you doing, number of targets, what talent build are...
Mostly M+ and raiding with friends. I went to training dummies and AOE opener seems non existent.
If single target the opening from stealth with Deathmark gets good results.
My 642 Rpgue without trinkets is doing more damage than my 672 fury warrior with enchantments and trinkets
Only when you get points you can use crimson tempest to ramp up
static glacier
Mostly M+ and raiding with friends. I went to training dummies and AOE opener se...
My best advice on opening for m+ if you want to make it super easy
grim jay
Mostly M+ and raiding with friends. I went to training dummies and AOE opener se...
Do you first and foremost use the right talents for aoe?
Not cleave
Or the archon top build
static glacier
Is just ambush once for the mark > gar to max cp then 2x rupture, at that point you’ve got max scent of blood and 3 or 6 garottes out and one button will proceed to send cds and ct
ionic agate
Do you first and foremost use the right talents for aoe?
I have 3 builds. All from WoWhead. Raid - Raid with cleave - Mythic+
static glacier
So if I were to give the shortened aoe opener its ambush > gar > gar > rup > rup
Feel free to add gar gar ct or fok ct depending on number of mobs (gar if there’s more than 5 mobs in the pack, FoK if there’s not)
balmy condor
crimson tempest
ionic agate
Ah ok. Thank you
Gotta say I am loving Rogue. Even my guild leader impressed by my damage 🤣
deft shard
Personnally if their is a lot of mob i spam gar and rup (mid crimson) to proc on all of them then go with basic rota. Idk if its good but works pretty well compared to other class in m'y group
ionic agate
I opened with ambush a few times until Crimson is up and then it ramps very fast
balmy condor
yeah just stick with 1 ambush for the mark application
ionic agate
But the Rupture and Garrote makes sense now cause it spreads to nearby enemies no?
balmy condor
and then spam bleeds
ionic agate
yeah just stick with 1 ambush for the mark application
Is that the purple X above their heads?
ionic agate
Is there a point where you use Vanish Mid fight? Because some abilities are only in stealth right?
quiet oar
Gotta say I am loving Rogue. Even my guild leader impressed by my damage 🤣
What are those words this user is typing
"I am loving Rogue"
ionic agate
"I am loving Rogue"
Not even joking. Coming from Fury this is great
halcyon flame
Any video explaing new changes?
balmy condor
Is there a point where you use Vanish Mid fight? Because some abilities are only...
depends on your talents, mostly to spread more bleedss
balmy condor
Any video explaing new changes?
what changes
halcyon flame
oh okay 😄
grim jay
haughty flicker
snow hamlet
ionic agate
Ran a +3 yesterday and almal kept up with a frost DK. 1M overall for me and 1.6 overall for him.
Best I could get my fury was 658k overall
icy geyser
subtle tundra
i wouldnt call him doing 60% more dps than you keeping up
subtle tundra
the numbers are very very low regardless
ionic agate
Helm, neck and trinket are all 610 for me…
red schooner
What build are you running?/
ionic agate
Indeed. I agree.
ionic agate
The M+ build on WoWhead
quiet oar
Not even joking. Coming from Fury this is great
Im also just joking, its rare someone is positive about rogue here. Because most here are OTPs since foroever and we lost our hope
red schooner
Im also just joking, its rare someone is positive about rogue here. Because most...
I'm in this post and I don't like it
grim jay
I am aswell
ionic agate
Im also just joking, its rare someone is positive about rogue here. Because most...
Pretty great to be honest.
ionic agate
Im also just joking, its rare someone is positive about rogue here. Because most...
Being an OTP I mean.
runic hinge
But I didnt lose hope yet
Changed your name. Must have lost hope
subtle tundra
miau
red schooner
Maybe the zoldyck title passed to someone else
grim jay
Changed your name. Must have lost hope
I just thought most people in here dont read anyways
runic hinge
True
red schooner
I just thought most people in here dont read anyways
I trained my cat to read on my behalf
quiet oar
Davyn changed
ionic agate
And specific add-ons recommended for bleed trackers?
red schooner
And specific add-ons recommended for bleed trackers?
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
ionic agate
Sorry for the dumb question, but I load all of them correct?
quiet oar
Not all no
you look at them and choose 1
Except the Plater stuff
you choose one of the Platers too
red schooner
Loading them all is a bad idea don't do that
ionic agate
So the Afenar edit from Whispyr and their plater should be all I need
static glacier
Yep
ionic agate
Awesome
normal mist
No you
ionic agate
No you
ionic agate
Can assassination “burst” or is it ramping up?
balmy condor
kinda both?
ionic agate
Need to watch a few videos to see what numbers people are putting out on keys. I am trying to surpass the hunter and Ret Pally in my guild
grim jay
Need to watch a few videos to see what numbers people are putting out on keys. I...
Around 5 times as much as you
But you also have low gear
And they try to play as close to optimal as possible
ionic agate
By the weekend I should have BiS trinkets and be around 675ish
grim jay
Yep
ionic agate
4.5 mil overall seems crazy. I will never see that but still a good goal to try and reach
normal mist
It depends on a lot of factors
Key level, pull sizes, your ability to play the build properly
nova kelp
bro the fucking yugioh gifs
that cartoon was fucking WILD when you think about it
hey bro, play a game?
what game?
card game
what we playing for?
YOUR SOUL
*puts down card
a LITERAL FUCKING DRAGON smacks you upside the head
ionic agate
Key level, pull sizes, your ability to play the build properly
I will always be just a casual but want to time a 12 key once
nova kelp
the world melts away, youre stuck in the fucking void
normal mist
I will always be just a casual but want to time a 12 key once
I'm a casual and reached 3k
ionic agate
Wut
quiet oar
The D in Royal D FLux stand also for dad
normal mist
12s are easier than 10s
quiet oar
He is casual Dad
quiet oar
12s are easier than 10s
Idk if this is still true
nova kelp
12s are easier than 10s
I say this to casuals a lot, and they never fucking believe me
quiet oar
I heared horro stories about pugs atm
nova kelp
you're a rogue, you can't do shit with half of them lol
deft shard
Why 12 are more easy than 10??
normal mist
No affixes
nova kelp
yeah in 10s you don't have to deal with affixes
normal mist
And better players overall
nova kelp
a 10 with the affix just fucks you over more than the additional damage output and throughput required in a 12
normal mist
The D in Royal D FLux stand also for dad
Also that's was funny as hell
nova kelp
even the vast number of casuals have the throughput they NEED for a 12
you just need a group that won't get pissy if you're not capable of a 17
but peeps out here like "a warrior!?!?!? we need a full magic comp for this 12 priory sorry loser"
normal mist
Fun fact
My last key was a priory as a warrior (I pushed as a warrior this season) and I did 4.1M overall :3
If you ask me if I know how to play warrior properly, I'll deny it
nova kelp
yeah, I had someone asking me how to windwalker the other day
like bro, I hit the buttons and don't press the same one twice idfk
deft shard
Ive only done +10... I will up my key lol
nova kelp
if you're USED to a 10, you'll FEEL the damage increase at first, but trust, it's a better place to be
grim jay
i heared stories of current pugs
Well we are at a point in the season where even the not-good-at-all-players gearcheck m+ up to that point
royal lantern
Ive only done +10... I will up my key lol
unless you go into the difficulty range where stuff starts to get really punishing, higher keys are always easier overall
simply because the amount of total mouthbreathers goes down
ask any healer, +7 keys demand more HPS and cd usage then a +15 at points lmao
jaunty matrix
try +4
people don't even dodge ground stuff
you need to drink after every 2-3 pulls
grim jay
you need to drink after every 2-3 pulls
Sounds like mythic raiding
Oh wait you mean mana
jaunty matrix
quiet oar
Sounds like mythic raiding
Especially in deep farm
zenith elm
Good morning fellow rogues
deft shard
normal mist
Good morning fellow rogues
Good morning
zenith elm
How we feeling?
zenith elm
Same, ran 7 kms in 30 min, exhausting
quiet oar
Thats the question
subtle tundra
why...
rotund oak
Same, ran 7 kms in 30 min, exhausting
i do 8klm everyday in about the same time
varies a bit but in general 30-ish min
rotund oak
40yo flexzilla btw 😛
quiet oar
Oldge
rotund oak
red schooner
why do people who run, run?
If I'm running then I'm not dealing with the other problems in my life
red schooner
I must get faster
quiet oar
FASTER
red schooner
THE FASTEST
normal mist
Sonic
ionic agate
Is just ambush once for the mark > gar to max cp then 2x rupture, at that point ...
So I tried this in my lunchtime….damage on dummies went up by 950k
Wtf
Over 20 seconds
normal mist
Over 20 seconds
Do that for 2ish minutes and be sure the target dummies aren't already at literally 0 hp
quiet oar
real
cursive frost
How are we looking tuning wise after the ptr buffs?
warm vortex
Maybe it’s ineffective as the dummies don’t have blood? So you can’t bleed them properly
warm vortex
How are we looking tuning wise after the ptr buffs?
Idk ask when patch comes out
They could change it and most likely will change some tjings
cursive frost
Mainly just hoping sub or especially outlaw isn’t clearly stronger than sin
ionic agate
Do that for 2ish minutes and be sure the target dummies aren't already at litera...
I will have to find a place where other people aren’t attacking them 🤣
warm vortex
Mainly just hoping sub or especially outlaw isn’t clearly stronger than sin
I’m just hoping Bm or surv is good tbh
red schooner
Mainly just hoping sub or especially outlaw isn’t clearly stronger than sin
Pssst, unless you're rwf, just play what you want
All specs are within like, 10% of each other
They're all good
warm vortex
Pssst, unless you're rwf, just play what you want
I mean for rogue I feel like all 3 are usually good
red schooner
Play what you enjoy
warm vortex
Yea
cursive frost
I’m just hoping Bm or surv is good tbh
It’s going to be year of the spear
warm vortex
I’d be so happy
normal mist
I will have to find a place where other people aren’t attacking them 🤣
If dummies already at execute range you're dealing extra damage 100% of the time
Also 20 seconds is actually nothing xD
ionic agate
Oooooh I never knew that
warm vortex
Ok i might actually try a key or two as assa
If hybrid is still aight
cause i just prefer it over bleed
My character is so undergeared tho lmao
ionic agate
If you say 650 is undergeared, how much should it be? 675?
warm vortex
My main is around 681 and i've barely touched them this last month
quiet oar
If you say 650 is undergeared, how much should it be? 675?
680 is literally average geared at this point
LIke everything 670 is literally undergeared
ionic agate
Ok so what is considered high?
warm vortex
Tbh i never wrapped my head around playing bleed properly so enven mashing is back on the menue for me
nova kelp
680 is literally average geared at this point
to be fair, for a LOT of the playerbase getting to 680 requires a long time of opening vaults
quiet oar
I think there is no high anymore
nova kelp
so that's HALF right
wary light
Anyone here got juicy rogue PoVs of PTR myth raid testing/hc testing before I go seek it out myself
warm vortex
Also omg it's the foot man
nova kelp
but for most players, who are likely to cap out at farmable heroic gear, they'll hit just a bit over 675
with the belt
couple of crafted pieces
quiet oar
but thtats not high
nova kelp
yeah high end you hit 685
quiet oar
Im just saying everything below 670
golden loom
if you're maxed out
even then u want 2 crafted items so ur still kinda stuck at 684 no?
quiet oar
is absolut low
warm vortex
Remind me for hybrid you don't shiv outside of kb at all right
wary light
idk, my bags are 685.6
Link a SS, that doesn't sound right
golden loom
I do have weapons aswell so with only 2 crafted items I would be 684.68
wary light
Highest on wowprogress is 685.05 apparently
golden loom
but yeah its whatever anyways
nova kelp
I'll log in, sec
hearty seal
why are there changes to Rogue azerite powers on the PTR lmao
nova kelp
I had at one stage logged out at 685.6
golden loom
why are there changes to Rogue azerite powers on the PTR lmao
cause its datamined notes so in case a aura gets changed somewhere for whatever reason it shows up there
royal lantern
I do have weapons aswell so with only 2 crafted items I would be 684.68
equiping the kingslayers when using kingsbane because its thematic
golden loom
equiping the kingslayers when using kingsbane because its thematic <:2ez:5879822...
the real weapon swap macro tech
novel star
why are there changes to Rogue azerite powers on the PTR lmao
cause it’s just unfiltered datamined shit, it’s just what aura buffs do
shrug
the actual patch note is “all ability damage increased by 8%”
nova kelp
worn
hearty seal
oh yeah apparently blizz just went "let's take everything that has 1.04 modifiers for Rogue and change that to 1.12" lmaooooo
novel star
Yeh
quiet oar
thats the 8% aura buff
novel star
quiet oar
yes
golden loom
bags, yeah 685.06 <@197743427125772289>
yeah I mean if I get a amulet or bracers from vault thats what my bags would end up as eventually
but u wouldnt wear that anyways so
novel star
one day wowhead gotta just give up on posting the datamined tuning
golden loom
crafted neck is a bit better than mugzee neck for me but I also haven't had it in vault
nova kelp
crafted neck is a bit better than mugzee neck for me but I also haven't had it i...
the neck I've ended up using is the one from rik lol
royal lantern
one day wowhead gotta just give up on posting the datamined tuning
but why
people clearly click on it
novel star
vendetta mentioned
nova kelp
the full set is within margin of error to the "bis" list
novel star
but why
people clearly click on it
i’m just complaining about world of warcraft players being stupid
golden loom
the neck I've ended up using is the one from rik lol
yeah I already have infinite haste so that one is not very good for me 😎
novel star
realistically it’s whatever
static glacier
So I tried this in my lunchtime….damage on dummies went up by 950k
Sick gains man, keep practicing
golden loom
i’m just complaining about world of warcraft players being stupid
:WORLDOFWARCRAFT:
quiet oar
one day wowhead gotta just give up on posting the datamined tuning
They use everything to get contetn on the side
static glacier
Over time try to see if you can play sin without one button, we lose a lot of dmg in aoe
novel star
:WORLDOFWARCRAFT:
quiet oar
even its an announcement that maintenance will be normal
subtle tundra
feet
nova kelp
FEET
subtle tundra
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAA
royal lantern
nova kelp
the feet are coming back!
and they're on OUR side!
I for one bow down to my footsqueen
I'm going to make a mod, that plays deepstone lullaby from destiny 2 every time the queens feet make an appearance
subtle tundra
🤤
zenith elm
Can we get the warcraft logs my king ?
still steppe
Can we get the warcraft logs my king ?
zenith elm
99.7
Maghar orc, damn i wanna change my race too ☠️
Nelf is so much better for M+ tho ☠️
nova kelp
I prerolled nelf for next tier
gota get ready for constantly needing to meldstealth lol
trim raptor
zenith elm
True
ionic agate
I think I might have to change race though…I made a drachthyr Rogue…
red schooner
I think I might have to change race though…I made a drachthyr Rogue…
Nah
Race change doesn't make much of a difference
Pick the race for aesthetics
ionic agate
So it’s not gonna be a massive difference?
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
red schooner
This'll have links to sims and it, ain't really worth sweating over
royal lantern
So it’s not gonna be a massive difference?
its 0difference lmao
if you wanna know how much of a meme racials are
when they enabled tauren rogue, you instantly had all the bigbrains going
WTF TAUREN ROGUE WILL BE SO OP??? 2% MORE CRIT DMG WTF THAT IS SO BIG HOLY SHIT I NEED TO REROLL RIGHT NOW
meanwhile dwarf has the same effect since literally always
ionic agate
Lol
red schooner
its 0difference lmao
Yeah people put way too much stock in changing race for no gain, its weird
static glacier
Yo can someone get me an ounce of whatever blizzard are smoking?
spice surge
They just havent gotten around to nerfing it yet
They just did BM and i think boomie got crushed too
earnest remnant
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
to be fair when the patch came where you could play tauren rogue, cross faction guild wasent out yet so
royal lantern
to be fair when the patch came where you could play tauren rogue, cross faction ...
yes, so m+ Master Outlaw (2,6k score peak) had to immediatly pay 20bucks for 0,4% sim dps 
dusk palm
Tbf if you’re an m+ main pushing even 16s and higher and you’re not Nelf or dwarf you’re probably doing it wrong
But damage in both settings is mostly irrelevant.
spice surge
I mean that just heavily depends on the season
dusk palm
I mean that just heavily depends on the season
There hasn’t been a season since arcane torrent nerf where you shouldn’t be dwarf or Nelf
spice surge
This season didnt have much important things for either
dusk palm
Oh you’re so wrong
spice surge
❓
spice surge
I mean ye ofc tanks, but i was assuming we were talking about rogues
dusk palm
Meld straight up cancels like a dozen mechanics and dwarf is as OP as always when it comes to removing things that kill you. It’s worse this and last season because no Aug
royal lantern
Tbf if you’re an m+ main pushing even 16s and higher and you’re not Nelf or dwar...
if you are m+ pushing, you are doing it wrong
and +16 keys? mate really? thats stuff you can pug with 0 communication lol
lean plover
just meant that its been only useful for tanks to be nelf, in 2 dungeons
spice surge
Meld straight up cancels like a dozen mechanics and dwarf is as OP as always whe...
"This season didnt have much important things for either"
dusk palm
if you are m+ pushing, you are doing it wrong
and +16 keys? mate really? thats ...
I wrote “even” as in that or greater. It’s legit like just choosing not to have a defensive but for no other gain
royal lantern
the gain is not playing a shity knife ear
dusk palm
Sure if you’re an RPer and that’s your jam, cool! It’s bad in a competitive environment 🤷♂️
spice surge
The only time ive ever though it would be nice to be a dwarf this season is when i accidently step into traps in priory
But also i could just not do that
normal mist
This channel full of r1s or something
dense cedar
I like playing nelf cos the idle animation is silly and their combat stance is funny
dusk palm
https://gerritalex.de/blog/tww-s2-dispels
here’s a list of dispels by dungeons you fan see what you can dwarf
dense cedar
no offense to dwarf players but i don't think I could stand having to be one
royal lantern
Sure if you’re an RPer and that’s your jam, cool! It’s bad in a competitive envi...
are conpeting in the MDI?
if no, what fucming competitive Environment
earnest remnant
just let people minmax what they wanna
drifting cloud
just let people minmax what they wanna
minmax your sleep schedule
dusk palm
I’m not rage baiting. Every environment you play in is a competitive for the level the individual plays at. Min maxing damage is dumb. Min maxing survivability and utility isn’t
dense cedar
23 hour sleep schedule is the only way to go
spice surge
Sure dispelling minor debuffs is good
But doing 1% more damage from being an orc is also good
Case in point the highest rated rogue is neither nelf nor dwarf
normal mist
Counterpoint: being a human is gooder because good mog
drifting cloud
Isnt zav dwarf
zenith elm
he's raiding
drifting cloud
royal lantern
Is he trolling?
you just said its no troll
dense cedar
Counterpoint: being a human is gooder because good mog
im kinda eternally jealous of the reputation racial tbh
zenith elm
let me check
normal mist
It doesn't exist anymore
normal mist
Now we have 2 hearthstone charges
dense cedar
That's uhh vaguely useful