assassination

[coral ibex]

you dont need to analyze it beyond that

[waxen oyster]

good thing you get a boss that drops one

[kindred breach]

Even 3 ilvl is a huge gain

[waxen oyster]

literally in the first 2 weeks

[tawny geyser]

I believe he's asking about off hand.
If you have one myth dagger and 2nd crafted, if he should swap with another myth dagger.

[waxen oyster]

ascendance outsims threads

[kindred breach]

oh in that case yeah

[waxen oyster]

unless you put threads at over 80% uptime

iirc

[kindred breach]

U even switch to a 658 offhand on outlaw lol

but main hand must be the higest ilvl possible

[tawny geyser]

I have a 684 and a 681 with Ascendance.

[balmy condor]

As you should

[zenith elm]

Even in vault you always take the myth dagger if you can ?

[waxen oyster]

I mean why do people even ask if it's better

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

tells you

[main bridge]

laziness mostly

[zenith elm]

True true

[kindred breach]

If u already have a 684 on mainhand its mostly secondary stats which will impact it

But if u dont have yeah ofc u take the 684 dagger for mainhand

If u also got a bis trinket at 684 it needs to be simmed

But for anything besides this its dagger everyday

[waxen oyster]

ascendance is just more stats tbh

[acoustic roost]

Also depends on your guild and their progression. If you mythic raid, mythic dagger drops off an early boss and you most likely are the only rogue which means it’ll go to you. So sometimes the play is not mythic dagger in vault…..BUT that is a very niche scenario for optimizing early vaults and gear progression and has no bearing at the end of the day lol.

[waxen oyster]

Well since ascendance is still the best you don't really lose an item.

[hallow glade]

Lately dagger has been an ideal craft

Bis in short term as Main Hand bis in long term as off hand

[waxen oyster]

I got myth dagger in vault like week 2

and it still felt fine

[hallow glade]

I got from first rik kill 😇

[waxen oyster]

Well actually, was the first march 4/5th week a vault or no

i dont recall

[kindred breach]

Do we still get a dagger on early bosses in S3?

It was nice

Or we don't know the drops still?

[waxen oyster]

NP having one off the 2nd boss was chill.

and outlaw wep off the first

[spice surge]

Ye should be one of the 2nd (which could be third)

[waxen oyster]

They've been doing that a bunch lately i feel

[kindred breach]

That's nice

[waxen oyster]

one dagger off an early boss

one near the end

[kindred breach]

Its cool

gives u way more flexibility on gearing

[waxen oyster]

although no one cared for the tindral dagger

bugged igira dagger better

the mechanical hp buff having no icd was great

[keen spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[spice surge]

Idk its kinda weird that theres even 2 different daggers in the raid, seeing how were literally the only class that use them

[waxen oyster]

or you just took beast for the 10% movespeed

which was nice too

[kindred breach]

True lol

Got 2 rick daggers dropping on 2nd clear

Im the only rogue on the team

[waxen oyster]

I feel most raids have 2?

[kindred breach]

[waxen oyster]

well sepulcher had 3

[lethal arrow]

Don't think oab dropped a dagger this entire tier

[spice surge]

Ye thats what im saying

[waxen oyster]

well 2 glaives too

yet dh is the only class that can use

[fallow canopy]

For xmog purposes ofc

[lethal arrow]

Seen more BiS than the dagger

[spice surge]

Ye guns n bows as well

[waxen oyster]

actually are there 2 glaives this tier

i only remember the sprocket one

[spice surge]

The nathria approach of having tokens for weapons made so much sense

[waxen oyster]

its the good crit mast one

[spice surge]

Idk why they scraped it

[hallow glade]

Unpopular opinion maybe but I think dh should be able to use daggers and rogues use glaives

[waxen oyster]

not a fan of nathria doing higher ilvl

on the last 2

otherwise it was good

[haughty flicker]

scrapped because turning in nathria tokens for transmog is annoying as fuck

most of that is covenants fault though

[kindred breach]

Nah DH are brutes

They cannot comprehend the finesse u need to manipulate daggers

[hallow glade]

Getting only 1 weapon is cursed

[waxen oyster]

its a bit funny they gave dh their own weapon type

despite they can use swords/axes

[hallow glade]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

like most agi melee already

well fists too

[hallow glade]

And then they put glaives in the raid still

[waxen oyster]

i think the only agi 1h they cant use is maces?

[haughty flicker]

ye

its against their religion to bludgeon people, only cut

[waxen oyster]

its just funny since most glaives are statted to havoc

crit heavy

or mastery

[ocean quiver]

wiped at 13% 😢

[spice surge]

So are the daggers

Crit+mastery and vers+mastery

[kindred breach]

u got this

[waxen oyster]

Well what are they gonna do

[ocean quiver]

yes king

[waxen oyster]

make a dagger for the 3 people that play outlaw?

[ocean quiver]

yes

[waxen oyster]

i feel like alot of them like use swords

because they want to justify using a shitty 2005 thunderfury

instead of the new one

[vestal cliff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brave comet]

envenom keeps dropping out of no where on application

are we bugged again?

[spice surge]

Its been that way since tww launch

We just dont know why and when it happens

Just that it happens sometimes

Sometimes its also longer than it should be

[brave comet]

i couldnt keep its application all fight long on vexiwe

[spice surge]

[kind hinge]

Bubbling wax vs. Ironclaw whetstone tier 3?
Can't simm it so I once and for all, what is best?

[brave comet]

prob whetstone

[spice spire]

Whetstone

[main bridge]

you can sim it. consumables at the bottom under "Weapon rune"

[kind hinge]

can't pick the buubling wax in that list? :/

[balmy condor]

Wax sucks

[haughty flicker]

wtf

dont shit talk wax like that

[spice spire]

You suck, bel

[haughty flicker]

and i do it proudly

but wax doesnt deserve the slander

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/licka-gif-14906784873940801969

[ocean quiver]

the 13% wipe

was 99 parse

and the kill

was like 56

💀

[waxen oyster]

Yeah welcome to raiding

since forever

[ocean quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-smoking-sadge-pepe-smoking-pepe-sadge-gif-16948267171533269841

[subtle tundra]

ugg Guess I gotta goon again

[ocean quiver]

Anything noteworthy of gallywix?

as assassin

like worth swapping targets? or just keep blasting into boss 24/7

[haughty flicker]

hit boss

hold 1m kingsbane until after suppression

hit boss

[waxen oyster]

sabotage your devoker

on add sets

[ocean quiver]

we don't have one

he's playing heal

[haughty flicker]

pog no dev

[ocean quiver]

sweet

[haughty flicker]

time to pad

[ocean quiver]

he does play dev but he's playing heals rn

[ocean quiver]

just with caustic?

[haughty flicker]

can rupture snipe adds

[ocean quiver]

I have to be canister 1 too :(

[haughty flicker]

but even without dev adds will blow up

[ocean quiver]

Yeah we got wws

mm

rets

[lethal arrow]

U need to lock in

It even tells u on warcraftlogs
(Not locked in)

[ocean quiver]

real

we killed it

[silent compass]

Still charged bolts is the best for assass?

[lethal arrow]

But also if u wanna milk dmg on gally

Timings get really good if u just hold kb for after suppression then hold DM/KB for until after adds spawn

After the side bait

U can soothe them and pad off aoe

[waxen oyster]

crit/mastery/haste proc

really depends on your gear

[waxen oyster]

land the soothe and a shiv'ed spatter on dn env

🌰

[silent compass]

Ohhh got it

Does sim help with that or

[waxen oyster]

topgear has a + option that lets you change the belt power

[silent compass]

Thanks!!

Which one is it...

[haughty flicker]

should tell you if you hover over it at the bottom

but im betting thats chain

[fallow canopy]

hover on the small blue square and it'll tell you

[humble verge]

I LOVE IT

why do people use this autist plugin

[silent compass]

It is chain ty

[main bridge]

i think Elitism Helper prints to the party chat by default which is just....incredible

i don't know why anyone would want that

[silent compass]

Just wiped on bandit w 0.7%... Im sad

[waxen oyster]

I feel like chain sims higher for alot of people

it's just alot of stat

[waxen oyster]

This addon and healerprotection

omega cringe

[main bridge]

LOW MANA [Healer Protection]

[waxen oyster]

I HAVE AGGRO [Healer Protection]

[worn geyser]

you gotta combine that addon with the owospeak addon

its peak

[waxen oyster]

If your tank can't see mobs on his screen

what makes you think he reads chat

[waxen oyster]

I used to have a wa that auto spit on anyone with the owo eat wa

[humble verge]

lmao

i find it funny how like

he was using it

but still somehow managed to put the rocket on all of us

lmao

on last boss

didnt move out 😭

[pastel roost]

Gallywix M down ! yaay

[iron carbon]

gg

[silent compass]

Gz!

Im still on Bandit...

Gonna be real hard but i hope we can get gally down

0.2 best xD

[feral wasp]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[zenith elm]

Hello 😁

I had a great day, and i ate a great meat sandwich in the end so i'm fed and happy

[sharp viper]

I think I need more mastery

[frank condor]

recommend the addon 'true stat values' it will show how much DR you're at (pretty sure 28k mastery is getting DR'd)

[main bridge]

why is that useful though

sims figure this out for you

[sharp viper]

oh I know that I'm losing a bit

[waxen oyster]

what in tarnation

I think i have like only 17k

[frank condor]

I'd bet 9k crit and 28k mastery isn't sim optimized, but i could be wrong lol

[sharp viper]

oh it's not

[main bridge]

well that's the whole point of sims lol

you don't have to bet

it just tells you what to equip without knowing or caring about stats

[frank condor]

you're being oddly abrasive

[haughty flicker]

sandpaper muffin

[main bridge]

no idea why you'd think that

there, i put "lol" at the end so you know i'm not trying to be mean

[zenith elm]

Muffin is the best

[waxen oyster]

People "think" too much about stats.

[haughty flicker]

no think

only game

[main bridge]

zug zug

[spice spire]

You’re oddly abrasive

[main bridge]

how can a cute cupcake like me be abrasive

it's unfathomable

[runic hinge]

Maybe you have a tongue like a cat

[main bridge]

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-22095378

[main bridge]

that's crazy how does the cat not notice

my cat would kill me

[runic hinge]

Too Eepy

[haughty flicker]

that is a very eepy cat

[quartz kelp]

another boss where ur deathstalker marks just fully poof if u swap to the add

[midnight mist]

i doubt melees will have to swap

its second boss

[hearty seal]

tbh
my RL is aware of DSM and generally goes "yeah whatever you can't properly swap so don't"

[real pike]

You are in a very small minority

Hope you appreciate what you have there

[hearty seal]

ye

[silent compass]

Does simbot shows that which gear i need to upgrade?

Im full on ILVL but if i need a mythic equipment that i can get from dungeons i want to know about it

[weak anvil]

anyone who can hit me with on the spot cd managment for galy M

[balmy condor]

cds on pull, kingsbane on second adds, deathmark on the sky fall double tech set

[weak anvil]

soo when do i 2nd mark

off cd?

or i hold it for sky

[silk sundial]

Hold 2nd dm for the 3 min sky adds. Same with your KB. You can safely shiv the 3rd add platform and still have double shiv for your 3 min kb

[silent compass]

So i have the details for our 0.6% pull of bandit, i want to send them here, anyone knows how?

[worn geyser]

do you have the log?

[polar rampart]

put link in box? :p

[silent compass]

I dont, still waiting for guildies to upload if they logged it

[worn geyser]

i mean other than screenshotting the damage breakdown, i think thats the only way if you only have the details

[silent compass]

I hope someone logged xD

[worn geyser]

did u have like a question about it or just posting for fun, .6% pull is brutal T_T

[silent compass]

Just wanted to see where i could improve tbh

0,6 hit me hard

[shy creek]

Your breakdown wont help

Need a log

[worn geyser]

ye without log its pretty hard to dissect just a break down like that, edit: nvm doesnt show on details

[silent compass]

Ill send if i get logs

[silent compass]

I think deathmark just shows its regular dmg not the boost

[worn geyser]

ye can try and help once you get log but ye, details only u can only make guesses or look for super glaring wrong things

[silent compass]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7WxvBg9Hthqyr6XG?fight=11

Probably this one ye

I think they just uploaded it

Im still learning the class so i welcome all info tbh

Im not sure but i think i died when i shadowstepped the boss after i got targeted by a lazer and shadowstep put me in between boss and pylon which led me to die instantly

[balmy condor]

that's a lot of fok

[humble verge]

bros not even on top of the list

[balmy condor]

you flat out didn't cast a kb at 1min

[humble verge]

💀

[worn geyser]

whispyr so much faster than me

[balmy condor]

second shivs are consistently late by 2-4 seconds

[worn geyser]

fok in opener = ban

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean in raid tbh just forget fok exists right now

[silent compass]

I use Fan whenever i get the buff for it if i remember

[balmy condor]

you can do that on 2+ target

but there's way more foks than just that

[silk sundial]

On pull you have 3 targets on Bandit. I will usually cast a fok there

[humble verge]

bro forgot about clear the witness

[balmy condor]

this doesn't make sense for example

but clear the witnesses on 2+ is fine

[silent compass]

I probably cast fan whenever im helping w adds on boss

[balmy condor]

yeh

don't

[silent compass]

Aity

[worn geyser]

tbh my raid team blows up those adds before i could even think about fok instead of mut

dev things

[balmy condor]

I'd also kinda just recommend swapping weapon enchants to radiant power and swapping the helm enchant to void ritual, but that's kinda just pad stuff

the important gear thing

[silent compass]

We sometimes have problems w adds...

[balmy condor]

is not using this fuckass belt mod

[silent compass]

I changed that while i was in raid ye

Got the crit one

[balmy condor]

and uhhhhhhhhh

you're not rupturing adds for energy

[silent compass]

.

[balmy condor]

otherwise log looks fine

[silent compass]

I usually use it to envenom the boss

[balmy condor]

use what to envenom

[silent compass]

Is using 1-2 stacks rupture on adds fine?

[balmy condor]

I mean ideally you would do 5+

but 1-2cp is better than 0

[silent compass]

They die in around 10 seconds on successful pulls

[worn geyser]

do u have tea macrod to shiv ? how are there only 3 teas in the entire fight

[silent compass]

It is macrod ye

[silent compass]

I have no idea about that haha

[balmy condor]

that doesn't matter

[silent compass]

I macrod it and havent clicked tea ever since

[balmy condor]

auto-teas don't count as casts

[red schooner]

Might not put auto procs on there maybe?

[balmy condor]

there's 700 raw energy from the tea

it's fine

[worn geyser]

oh this game is cringe

[balmy condor]

just auto proccing

[vital flicker]

so is this trinket not going to be completely busted in m+? it feels like by "slaying an enemy" means literally anything

[silent compass]

So i should rupture adds more frequently

Get rid of fan

[balmy condor]

depends, haven't seen any logs using it with assa stuff like sudden demise to really tell

[vital flicker]

because sudden demise should in theory mean that you are always the one slaying enemies

[red schooner]

Imagine if we can deny procs of this to other DPS due to demise

[spice surge]

its gonna proc as the pack dies a lot of the time

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's the main issue

if it even works with sudden demise

[silent compass]

Ohh ok

Also why radiant on weapons?

[balmy condor]

getting procs at the end of a pack isn't really all that ideal

[vital flicker]

true

[balmy condor]

does roughly the same overall as suffocating darkness except it's stats instead of a single target debuff

[spice surge]

I think it does

[balmy condor]

so equal in single target, better everywhere else

[spice surge]

When i checked

[balmy condor]

neat

[silent compass]

Ohh thanks

Got great void ritual as well

Didnt knew those changed after they first came out xD

I was using the same enchants since*

Same for belt, told that it was good and kept it on

[vital flicker]

it would be giga funnel for bosses that get trash pulled into it though

[spice surge]

Ye

Problem is its from delves

So unless you get lucky its gonna be real low ilvl

[vital flicker]

that trinket on ol waxbeard would be funny af

[vital flicker]

I wish they just let us have heroic delve trinkets

[waxen oyster]

we do

just loot them

[silent compass]

Thanks for the help all, i hope we can kill it this sunday 🙂

[vital flicker]

sorry I often complain about skill issue like just not looting my delve trinkets

[waxen oyster]

oab parsing also asks you get coin buff

most of the time

[waxen oyster]

trick blizz into thinking rogue is your alt

[vital flicker]

I have multiple rogues for that reason, so they can't prove which one is my main

[woeful galleon]

@balmy condor is there something wrong I’m doing https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HgcatZWfCBL81TP4

[balmy condor]

yeah, not getting lower than 70% after 65 pulls holy

you're locked in for a long one

[woeful galleon]

Lots of pulls were mistakes tbh but I mean my damage

Also had to 19 man half of them

[balmy condor]

just off a random pull your shivs are insane

like this makes no sense

no second shiv in your opener

and then you rip a double out in space

crazy fumble

[woeful galleon]

You saying shiv off gcd?

[balmy condor]

no I'm saying shiv when you're actually in your cooldowns

instead of buffing 4 mutilates

[woeful galleon]

So holding cds for shiv?

[coral ibex]

no

[balmy condor]

what

[coral ibex]

the opposite

[balmy condor]

they line up

[woeful galleon]

I usually shiv when we get techs out

[balmy condor]

shiv is 30s

kingsbane is 1min

what

[coral ibex]

you should read the guide

[balmy condor]

are you assigned to de-enrage or something

[woeful galleon]

Yes

[coral ibex]

well gg then rip ur shivs

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

no hunters?

[balmy condor]

there's 2 hunters

how did you get assigned that

[woeful galleon]

We do they are hunters

Huntards*

I’m like emergency

[balmy condor]

okay, regardless

this just makes me recoil

hit the boss pls

[woeful galleon]

Don’t focus techs?

[balmy condor]

yeah you are absolutely wrecking your damage, I see it now

you're using shiv for the adds

but you're swapping to the adds

and then not using KB cause obviously the adds don't live long enough

so then you use KB on the boss after the adds

[woeful galleon]

Yaa

[balmy condor]

and nothing lines up anymore cause you trolled everything and might as well just throw the pull away

like actually self-sabotaged yourself into a gray parse for no reason

just hit boss

kingsbane spatters

spatter the adds

good enough

[woeful galleon]

We were having add issues so I didn’t want low add dam

[balmy condor]

unironically I think you're doing less add damage this way

[woeful galleon]

Even with blonde side ambush procs?

Blind

[balmy condor]

it's 6% of your technician damage

4% of that is vicious venoms

which would spatter

[woeful galleon]

Yaaa but tech doesn’t even get in range till 90

[balmy condor]

yeah so you go rupture the adds

boss runs in

you kingsbane boss

like this is your add damage

I get you want to help

[spice surge]

Assa generally never swaps of the boss in any encounter

[balmy condor]

but you're fucking yourself sideways in order to do half the damage of a ret paladin

while the rest of your raid is afk

tell them to get their head out of their ass

[spice surge]

Because youre just gonna be more useful hitting the boss and cleaving than trying to hardswap

[balmy condor]

yeh

you're ruining your own damage when the issue isn't you, and not solvable by you

even when you're hardswapping and shiv'ing the adds

you're doing 10% of the adds health total

which sounds like a lot but then you realize that it's basically the same amount that the bottom 5 dps are doing combined

[worthy rose]

im pretty sure the rogue guide for dummies explicitly says

shiv before a kingsbane

or shiv an envenom if you got nothing else

shivving a mutilate is wicked work

[waxen oyster]

theres literally 4 people in that log

that can single soothe on a super short cd

tbh i just tell people

I have the kill and mount

you want to miss it thats on you

[fallow canopy]

I sure hope those dps that did nothing to the adds were dead or died soon after they spawned or some random shit

[waxen oyster]

ngl gally is kinda boring

im just waiting for people to stop being bots

usually

fight is so scripted on rogue

[worthy rose]

the real question

can we one button rotation mythic gally

i must test this for science

[woeful galleon]

https://youtu.be/xRJw83I3CA0?si=P3i7zwLo89nyINp7

Why does he hard swap tho

I mean I don’t see him in the top of the meter but still

[woeful galleon]

Most definitely I don’t think gallywix is that crazy of a boss

[winged quail]

He doesn't hard swap, he ruptures the adds until the boss gets in range then swaps back to it

If ads aren't dying there is very little you can do about that as an assa rogue

[worthy rose]

as far as my experience goes gally isnt really a dps check type boss as much as it is a mechanics check

or healer and tank check

with the shit they have to do

[woeful galleon]

It was similar issue like I was in a shit guild for reverb and they wanted me hard swapping barrels but they aren’t even suppose to live longer than my envenoms so I just offered to go sub at that point

[waxen oyster]

ngl

half of gally wipes are gonna be

some greedy fuck doesnt run out with lines

[plush isle]

If fatebound is viable next season, do you think dry shiving is out or because of the clunky lineup of cd dry shiving is still viable ?

[woeful galleon]

Can’t argue after doing mugzee

[woeful galleon]

That’s our number 1 issue rn

On the line

[winged quail]

Dry shivs are only a thing because of Darkest Night and Lingering darkness, which both come from the Deathstalker tree

so if Fatebound somehow sees play it won't be a thing

[waxen oyster]

Idk gally is easy

on farm im exerting excess patience to not crash out on people

[worthy rose]

its kind acrackup ive seen so many groups greed for it in the last 5% of a heroic gally kill

[winged quail]

hardest part about gally reclears are not crashing out ngl

[worthy rose]

but you cant just zug zug 5% of a heroic gally thats like one whole mechanic window

and they just forget to do every mechanic and die to barrles or something stupid

and we gotta do it allllll over again

shit isnt wotlk or cata anymore

[waxen oyster]

same with sprocket

[worthy rose]

cant burn through 5% like that

[waxen oyster]

someone almost knocked me into a drill

when i was next trap

and sprocket is such an easy boss

[winged quail]

sprocket and gally are so scripted at this point it's hard to fuck up

[waxen oyster]

I have yet to roll into a bombshell on stix

this whole tier

idk how people manage to

[winged quail]

i had a pylon spawn on top of my ball which launched me into a wall which then launched me into a bombshell

i was not happy

[waxen oyster]

Idk this tier being giganerfed due to aura and shit

is making me less patient for people being stupid

i feel

[winged quail]

you skip half of the prog mechanics with the current tuning

[waxen oyster]

Because I know once we go back to a real tier that isnt severely gutted

Yeah….

I had a 60min payphone loop on og sprocket prog

to not go crazy

[winged quail]

the guild i killed sprocket with took 170 pulls

[waxen oyster]

The one pull i miss gate on prog and has to run it

is the pull we kill

[waxen oyster]

"911 what is your emergency"

[drifting cloud]

sprocket is a weird boss pull wise

atleast you dont see bosses that often where you can find up to x10 pull count differences

my guild killed it in like 45 and I remember us watching logs of a guild that killed it around 30, and im sure theres some CE guild out there with 300 wipes on it

and I mean post nerf

[worthy rose]

guys im finally max geared

it took me a while but i got it

started from the bottom now we here

belt should be 701 not sure why raiderio hasnt updated

[main bridge]

that was max gear like two months ago

[worthy rose]

pepega

[main bridge]

max gear is like 684 really

[worthy rose]

i was fighting my rng demons

[main bridge]

probably higher now

[worthy rose]

i only just got my mythic shoulders finally

oh the shouler should be 684 too

not sure why raiderio hasnt updated

[harsh anchor]

where mythic jastor

[main bridge]

excuses

[worthy rose]

i dont mythic raid

dont have a guild reliable enough

my guild only heroic raids

[harsh anchor]

rip no max gear ever

[main bridge]

you could pug it ez

[worthy rose]

and i get my shit ninjad away from me

i was tempted to just pay for a mythic oab kill onmy dk for the mythic hoc and bis

[harsh anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/tobuscus-toby-turner-im-adorable-gif-3419528

[worthy rose]

but then i decided nah its not worth it

dont need the gaer to do good deeps

[woeful galleon]

I almost thought you linked my armor XDDDD

[worthy rose]

i just have mythic all mainpieces

and crafted offpieces

its the best you can hope for as a mythic dungeoner

[woeful galleon]

But 697 belt ???

Trolling…

[worthy rose]

should be 701

and 684 shoulders

nto sure why raiderio isnt updating

[main bridge]

suuuure

[woeful galleon]

Lazy

Tbh

[worthy rose]

wowarmory shows it correctly at least

only thing holding back my dk now is the chest

need the mythic hcest and one gem socket on helm and im done for the season

[waxen oyster]

Did you acc make a sally whitemane clone

[worthy rose]

i infact did

[drifting cloud]

isnt technical bis with vault items other than the embelishment crafts

[worthy rose]

how did u kno

[waxen oyster]

also yeah ce guilds have massive variance

[worthy rose]

u are a man of taste

i have the darion morgraine mog too

[drifting cloud]

thats like huge 2k dps in like 3 slots

[worthy rose]

yes but yorue relying hugely on rng

[waxen oyster]

hey 681 to 684 cloak is

4k dps

not 2k

[drifting cloud]

oh damn that much, my bad

[waxen oyster]

im in a weird situation

where my neck isnt 684 but due to crit haste ring

richard one isnt that good

[waxen oyster]

i think its like 684.6 or 7

if you use embellishments

[fresh kelp]

684.69

[waxen oyster]

im 684.5 with only a 681 neck

[spice surge]

You can have 685 unequiped now

But ye embellishments pull you down

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you ditch embellishment

[fresh kelp]

huge 685 ilvl when apping to groups

[main bridge]

685 still can't get accepted to a 12

[waxen oyster]

thats like last season when i was 639 bag declined to weekly 10s

[worthy rose]

thats the problem u see

why werent u 640

definitely would have been invited if 640

[main bridge]

[polar rampart]

you need all keystones at your level +2d before being able to get in at said key level

[main bridge]

true

[drifting cloud]

no

you also need to have bl or rez or a good buff

[polar rampart]

well yeah raidbuffs are stupid when going down to 5 man content, but max says every spec needs one to be brought to raid so whatever :p

[spice surge]

Its mostly strange how theyve decided melee specs should be heavily reliant on raid buffs while casters arent

[waxen oyster]

is shaman buff the only one that buffs 2 things

mastery and % chance to hit again

[spice surge]

Yes

Shaman buff is like 2% for casters while ~5% for a lot of melees

Arcane intellect is 3% while battleshout is 5%

DH buff is 3% while monk buff is gonna be 8%

Idk

[waxen oyster]

i keep forgetting dh got nerfed to 3

[humble verge]

surely i wanna join this

[main bridge]

no boosted except for me

[worthy rose]

this the kind of partyleader that end sup below tank damage

sometimes even below healer damage

[waxen oyster]

big dick in caps is a sure sign of big blaster

[worthy rose]

speaking of 10s for vault tho

me and my friends are pushing the idea of 10minute 10's

all of us blast like 5mil dps with a prot warrior doing like 3mil or some shit with big gigapulls

[spice spire]

Whatcha pushing bud

[worthy rose]

we do 10s in 10 minutes

[main bridge]

GET PUSHED OUTTA THE GUILD!!

[worthy rose]

im pushing for my life in the toilet rn

i mean what

[spice spire]

Amen brethren

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile if you do pug 10s theres a dps under 3m

usually a mage

[worthy rose]

arcane mage pugs i swaer to god

9/10 of them are gigabad

and then theres the 1/10 gigachad

[main bridge]

b-but arcane is pp-rio damage....

[worthy rose]

sometimes it gets so bad i just tell them to use on ebutton rotation

like stop whatever they think theyr doing

just press the obr

or get kicked

might as well do the dungfeon as a 4man as opposed to carrying a potato

[rotund oak]

thats wild,12s need like 675 max

[main bridge]

yeah that's pugs for you

[worthy rose]

12's need overall about 13-15mil dps to time at a +2

[main bridge]

just people wanting a carry

[worthy rose]

so if two people are blasting at 5mil and you got a warrior tank doing 3mil

you can 4man it with a potato

[waxen oyster]

prio damage is such a cope

in 10-12s

[rotund oak]

685 is a gigantic mountain of stats,should be able to carry 12s

[worthy rose]

10-12's the bosses dont really live long enough to become the bottleneck of a dungeon

[rotund oak]

embelishments isnt rly the issue

[worthy rose]

just go mad aoe blaster build

[rotund oak]

yup

[waxen oyster]

pwar in lower keys is funny

just to see how many dps pugs

[worthy rose]

prot warrior is insane in low to mid keys

[waxen oyster]

you can mog on the meter

[worthy rose]

fuck me

[waxen oyster]

[worthy rose]

theyr a real extra dps

they do so much damage

[waxen oyster]

i intentionally only pull around my cds

including funhouse lens

take a casual 10m demolish smack to the face

[rotund oak]

my rogue carried 95% in prio btw,even 5ilvl more than me ive completely destroyed.I think its not about the ilvl,its about the player in general

just sayin'

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

i mean i was top damage on every priory miniboss

as vdh

[main bridge]

[worthy rose]

but did u time it

sometimes

whenever if eel someone doesnt deserve a timed key

i intentionally start to sandbag with enough plausible deniability

thta i cant be banned or blamed

and we miss the timer

[rotund oak]

thats toxic

[worthy rose]

gotta gatekeep the noobs

[rotund oak]

who are u to judge when a key is timed

[worthy rose]

when im top dps

and then i start sliding down the dps charts

nah jk

[waxen oyster]

yes

[fallow canopy]

Any tips on making the gilded grind on alts not mind numbingly painful? Cheers

[drifting cloud]

farm delves and tab out whenever you want

[main bridge]

stack charisma so you can play with friends

[rotund oak]

nope,u have to do keys,its forced self harm

lul

[fallow canopy]

No one is playing at this point in the season

[rotund oak]

also true^^

[fallow canopy]

my last keys

[drifting cloud]

you quite literally dont have to do a single key if you dont want to

[rotund oak]

ik,im trolling

[fallow canopy]

how many gilded can you get a week from these? 30?

[main bridge]

ya def a lot less people than earlier

[drifting cloud]

infinite.

[main bridge]

i think my team is kinda checked out until s3

[drifting cloud]

you uptrade the hc ones

[worthy rose]

you cant uptrade the crests until you exceed the level of the crests

[drifting cloud]

ok thats 658

you can just farm that first then

[fallow canopy]

oh that's some degen angle I'll ponder this against my sanity

[worthy rose]

it was a slow grind fo rme on my alts coz i had crafted gear where i didnt get the heroic pieces for

blasting thorugh 6's is far easier than 10s or 12s tho

[drifting cloud]

is it really degen if its same speed as doing 10-12 keys that arent super fast

[rotund oak]

its the way ppl gear up their alts this time around

[drifting cloud]

and thats without counting queue time

[rotund oak]

its a thing,not the fastest one

[fallow canopy]

ig that's true

[rotund oak]

its whatever,its not that keys are any harder anyway

u jump into 12s and packs get blown away

[drifting cloud]

yeah except the downtime between keys adds up

especially if youre gearing a char just comes with even more downtime

[rotund oak]

yeah thats bad and it feels bad

[drifting cloud]

a 670 rogue you can probably farm 15 gilded in delves

in 20-25 min

[rotund oak]

at 670 u can have a 681 craft in about an an hour or so

assuming u are sub and run down delves fast enough

assuming also uve ascended runed crests

[fallow canopy]

my monk is 667 but yeah I'll run a few delves here and there while I watch YT or somethng

[vapid terrace]

do i have to cloak mug'zee immune group?

[drifting cloud]

you dont, but it does hurt

[vale shore]

I just feint

they wake me up when the boss is dead

https://tenor.com/view/1for-all-1for-all-dnd-deerstalker-pictures-dungeons-and-dragons-faint-gif-21535512

[wide berry]

this is disappointing

+7

[waxen oyster]

yeah 650 kind of is

[balmy condor]

34 item levels

Literally a full raid tier behind

[lethal arrow]

Bro is still raiding nerubar palace

[fathom flax]

I think if they don’t make any changes to rogue before the patch drops I’m quitting / rerolling, I’ve raided CE ever since it existed even got hall of fame a few times and I just can’t do anymore

I’m tired guys

[shy creek]

What are you tired of out of curiosity

Bored of rogue?

[solar wyvern]

I forgot to reup my poisons

[main bridge]

seems pretty dramatic

[solar wyvern]

on gally today

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FrkLaT8VtNHwWjvK?fight=last&type=casts&source=7&view=timeline

dont look at 1:17 1:46

[balmy condor]

top 10 rogue btw

[haughty flicker]

one button rotation change starting to look really good now huh

[spare carbon]

any trinket sims out yet?

[balmy condor]

what would the point of trinket sims be

[solar wyvern]

Imagine what I could do with more than 1% of my brain

[balmy condor]

they're not tuned

1:30min on use dungeon trinkets

are 25k mast

but also 9k mast

so

[spare carbon]

i just didnt know if the raid trinkets were looking any good for sin

[waxen oyster]

trinket sims this early

XD

[spare carbon]

👍

[balmy condor]

I'm sure there will be raid trinkets that will look good

but as of right now trinkets are anywhere between 0.5% and 20% dps

so

[waxen oyster]

im sure whispyr wants to unpaid sim trinkets that could randomly be tuned tomorrow

[balmy condor]

no point in thinking about it

[waxen oyster]

[spare carbon]

kk

[balmy condor]

patch is out in a month, just relax until august and maybe blizzard will figure out their numbers

probably not until end of august like 3 weeks into the patch

but ya know

eventually

[fathom flax]

Might get a single (positive) rogue change by then

I’m doompilled

[balmy condor]

I'm not quite doom but I am just generally upset

[covert jewel]

is 701 max ilvl for a waist ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vocal cradle]

rogues getting any love at all in 11.2?

[balmy condor]

new killing spree

[vocal cradle]

rip

[quaint spindle]

Two weeks without any rogue changes

[waxen oyster]

be like me, not know a single raid item that dropped in this raid until i zoned into the instance

[fathom flax]

Sad bois unite

[vocal cradle]

is there any early speculation on the prog spec in 11.2 or stil just play waht you want?

[rain mortar]

Just play Sin. It’s always the answer no matter what anyone else says.

[vocal cradle]

true

but it can get pretty stale =/

[balmy condor]

sub seems pretty good

lot of burst on trickster

good aoe burst etc

[vocal cradle]

hmm

[balmy condor]

haven't seen much outlaw but they're probably fine too

but think it's gonna be assa/sub again

[vocal cradle]

i assume the new fights are playing into that assessment too?

[balmy condor]

second to last has a 2 target damage amp phase

some of the earlier ones have burst adds

[vocal cradle]

word

[rotund oak]

we will be beta testing 11.2 for a couple of months after launch anyway

[worthy rose]

the key to winning

is to not lose

that is all

[main bridge]

[vagrant cradle]

where is rogues blue post everyone else got one lol

[main bridge]

don't worrry another post about OBR is coming for sure

[haughty flicker]

god i hope so

[visual sun]

Devs flipping fatebound coins. They need 7 of the same side before they post rogue changes

[vagrant cradle]

lol what does OBR stand for?

[main bridge]

one button rotation

[vagrant cradle]

hahahaha

[snow hamlet]

[radiant yoke]

!Builds

!Build

!builds

!build

???

[haughty flicker]

[thick sigil]

Hopefully hero talents rework in midnight expansion

[runic hinge]

Moroes dead

[astral current]

i've been forced to play enh+resto as off-spec and felt miserable ever since

what do

[hallow glade]

thats why you alt another rogue

or hunter

[astral current]

RL forbid any class mixing and everyone is forced to play only one class so now i'm running 10 fucking shamans

[rotund oak]

!guide

ok bot is dead

[astral current]

however im being military drafted to some shitty place on our planet so i hope my torment gonna end soon

[hallow glade]

o_0

[astral current]

but all i want is just to do 1 raid as 90sec fate sin....

[hallow glade]

good luck unless youre the enemy

[astral current]

prolly im gonna spend ~1-2 months at training camp and then gonna be sent as stormtrooper to take some shitty dugout that was built by some mentally ill (not saying in offensive way) soldiers that were drafted by force to the battlefield

[rotund oak]

so u are either there for occupation or clean up

[astral current]

well, eastern EU war is fucked up and lots of retakes are happening constantly so not sure what role i'll be doin
anyway that's gonna be fucked up af, my older brother was taken as prisoner like a week ago by reconnaissance group

[rotund oak]

dont sweat it,its ok,ik whats happening

just stay alive

[astral current]

guys literally went 15km into our army's backline and took ~10 artillerymen with them back to UA zone as hostages xdd

[astral current]

i hope i'll be set as something like translator/observer so i'll be chilling with starlink doing shitty floodgate over and over to get pacemaker

[real comet]

is there a reason that a crafted ring with crit/haste would sim better than cycre's circlet, but crit/mast would sim worse?

[hallow glade]

just depends what stats you currently have theres no particular reason

[real comet]

gotcha, i figured since stat prio was crit>=mast>haste>vers that crit mast would always be better

[astral current]

what are ur trinkets

[hallow glade]

assassination has good value from all stats

[real comet]

hero track house of cards, crafted algari alchemist stone

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2uPNRzjnDi3Vpo5tc1camN

[balmy condor]

alchemist stone

[novel star]

Based

as fuck

[waxen oyster]

wtf is class mixing

[zenith elm]

Good morning fellow rogues

[zenith elm]

Mine does the complete opposite, we need to class mix

[astral current]

Spelt my thoughts wrong prolly, I meant that we are forbidden from playing multiple classes in raids

Damn, nurse just took something like 50ml of blood from me for tests, why the hell they need so much

[waxen oyster]

I mean, most people cant even play one class well

[real comet]

how bad is it 💀

[balmy condor]

bad enough for there to be plenty of alternatives if you're 677

[nova kelp]

I had a raid lead once who constantly put our guild trials up against my alts in a fun raid to see if they at least hung with them

[real comet]

is there one i can easily get if i dont have any dinar left?

[nova kelp]

playing multiple classes isn't that hard

they're ;more similar than not

[balmy condor]

idk run a droptimizer for hero m+ or something

[red schooner]

It is when you've been a one trick pony for the past god knows how long

[nova kelp]

just gota do the relation things, learn the key priorities, equate skills across the class divide, apply your general know how

if you're good enough to 90% + parse on one you're definitely good enough to hit 70-80 on any other in short order

it's the little intricacies that take time to cement

[red schooner]

Dunno, I just struggle with getting alts to a passable level, hence why I'm trapped here

If my raid leader ever enforces having to play multiple classes I'm fuckin' quitting

[nova kelp]

I'd wager a solid bet though, that it's less to do with competency and more to do with desire for the required time investment

like back when my raid lead was doing that I was a giga no lifer so all my toons were emaculate

but as is now, I can half way gear a new toon, pop into a heroic early on and keep pace after a brief run down of the class guide

sit on a dummy for 10 mins, gucci

your fundamental skillset that you have from gaining expertise on one class absolutely translates

[red schooner]

I just thrive on familiarity so, I just stick to what I know

I made a feral druid as an alt to throw at the drunk social raids and I can get like, blue heroic logs on them, but that ain't exactly great

[nova kelp]

changing ROLE is probably harder than changing toon within the same role
and people role hop constantly already

[nova kelp]

I mean, by definition, that's better than half of the larger part of the playerbase lol

it's the desire to achieve what you do on your main that makes it feel bad, but even at a blue log early on, you're pumping

[red schooner]

Yeah but if I was considering it as an alt for prog, that ain't a high enough bar

[golden loom]

im just waiting for new patch cause I really wanna gear some chars

[nova kelp]

sure, depends on requirement that you're setting or have ahd set
but if you get an early blue, you're by far capable enough to put out much higher with investment

in saying ALL of that though, don't lol
play something else, diversify your profile 😛

come play street fighter with meeeeeeeeeeeee

we need more FGC peeps

[red schooner]

Nah I got out of the fighting game pits

Though I mostly played guilty gear and a bit of tekken

[nova kelp]

the FGC will always be my blood

[zenith elm]

I just saw your pfp voodoo, is that xalatath feet ?

[nova kelp]

yessir it is rofl

[zenith elm]

Absolute chaf

Chad*

[nova kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064999316051198025/1296612075606638682/lmfao.gif?ex=68704918&is=686ef798&hm=b980d2c0bc5d3ed73b4f7d3dc09103c687bed0a39169c85c586e23bc14c8a14c&

[zenith elm]

OMG 🤣

[bronze pike]

3 specs got a bluepost explaining spec changes

one of those 3 specs is about killing spree

[hexed frost]

Lmfaoooo 🤣🤣🤣

[nova kelp]

one of the hero spec choices on one spec that you currently don't appear to still be using with the new tier set
is about killing spree
lol

[grim jay]

His question is still valid

Where is the one for rogues?

Because temu fury is not rogue.

[rigid sphinx]

Hello guys, vanishing at the end of KB for Master assassin is not a thing anymore ?

I see on the guide "vanish near the start of DM"

[red schooner]

Wait, yeah, that reads weird I think

Unless I'm just being blind

The ability timeline thing shows it towards the latter half

[balmy condor]

where does it say start of dm

it either says use it for improved garrote, which would be start of DM but not opener

or use during DM for improved garrote during the opener, cause you have a stealth

or it says don't fucking vanish you have no stealth talents

but those are the only variations

[rigid sphinx]

"for Prio damage, cast vanish near the start of DM for Master assassin and Improve garrotes"

I maybe dont understand this well, must be my bad tbh

[balmy condor]

yeah

[balmy condor]

that's this one

[rigid sphinx]

I see thanks

[jade abyss]

Disturbing o.o

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[jade abyss]

Yeah

[nova kelp]

good news is next time won't be

[quiet oar]

There are too many Xalatath feet gooner

[jade abyss]

I hate feets

[grim jay]

Based

Its also kinda good, if you hate them anyways it doesnt matter as much if someone has pretty or ugly feet

[quiet oar]

Just let the socks on

[grim jay]

Ngl I met quite some people that prefer to leave them on

Just taking them off to sleep

Under that blanket

[quiet oar]

I mean why not

[quiet oar]

Same

You and me ?

Under the blanket?

[quiet oar]

We dont kinkshame!

[grim jay]

With or without socks?

[quiet oar]

As you want

[grim jay]

One sock

[jade abyss]

I can delete it D:

[nova kelp]

she's just a never ending trove of wonder now that she's been given to the interwebs

[quiet oar]

People really goon ntoo hard

Btw did someone try to make an OF with Xalatath feet animation

Gold mine

[nova kelp]

HAHAHAHAHA

if you think bros haven't been gooning over feet since the days of cavemen you've been drinking all the boomer koolaid

I mean sure, but going on about it is just going to get you streissand effected

[quiet oar]

The difference is

That with the Internet

eveyine shares their gooning

[nova kelp]

it's giving salt

[zenith elm]

I goon over thights

Best part

[nova kelp]

love a good thight

[zenith elm]

Same bro, i feel you

Thunder quads for life

[nova kelp]

goth muscle mommies

with nice feet

[orchid pewter]

Where are the patch notes, this is getting out of hand

[nova kelp]

GOTTEM

[quiet oar]

well its goonassination

channel

[zenith elm]

We dont do patch notes around here

[nova kelp]

we're not quite at the catboi posting and talking about kissing eachother

getting there

[zenith elm]

I do have to say, if the goth muscle mommy has nice feet ? Bonus points

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/rhea-ripley-rhea-ripley-eyebrow-playful-gif-3599123773986563505

[quiet oar]

Rhea Ripley

Ok Bratt Pitt

[nova kelp]

that's it, off to the pits with you

forced class reroll inc

[quiet oar]

Its always odd for me

[zenith elm]

Rhea ripley can crush my pelvis

[quiet oar]

BRO

[nova kelp]

I'll accept it if you say "I love outlaw" but ripley slander shall not be tolerated

[quiet oar]

YOU GOON TOO MUCH

HELLO

GOON OVERLOAD

CANNOT CONTAIN ALL THE GOOn

[nova kelp]

goonerload?

[quiet oar]

CONTIMATION BREAK IMMINENT

The great Goon Breach Incident of 2025

[nova kelp]

ole buddy matthews might have something to say about that

he might eat you first

[zenith elm]

I WANT HER TO DROWN ME WITH HER THUNDER THIGHTS

[nova kelp]

for nutrients to feed his gigantic pecs

https://tenor.com/view/buddy-matthews-buddymatthews-buddy-murphy-buddy-aew-gif-12893598703475469870

[zenith elm]

Nice pecs

[quiet oar]

Well he let Dirty Dom go to her

[nova kelp]

that man has LEGITIMATE body dismorphia

he HONESTLY thinks that him and paddy pimblett are of relative size

like... uhh sir you look like you consumed pimblett, wdym?

[quiet oar]

BRO STOP IT

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor

[zenith elm]

NEVER

[midnight mist]

who is this, waht does she do

[quiet oar]

Wrestling

in WWE

[midnight mist]

i see

[zenith elm]

Zac is aroused