assassination

[buoyant herald]

maybe, but it's been very low on the popularity totem poll for a long time now

[vital flicker]

I am still waiting for them to fix master assassin though ffs it has been so long at this point

[drifting cloud]

its design purgatory, where things arent bad enough to require immediate changes but there are alot of glaring issues

[sturdy python]

nah I cant with this, I came here for hope

[bronze pike]

ya but like again

[nova kelp]

well... fatebound for sin sucks balls

[bronze pike]

that is very irrelevant

[lucid silo]

i wouldnt call rogue well designed lol

[bronze pike]

i would kinda

[drifting cloud]

best I can do is more mage spellslinger changes

[balmy condor]

rogue is well designed, the hero talents are not

[bronze pike]

rogue doesnt need much basline changes that doesnt involve hero talents

like

outlaw is okay

[vital flicker]

I have more fun playing rogue than my other classes so it is well designed for me at least

[bronze pike]

even then that needs like

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor clearly the 104th SP rework takes prio over fixing our dog ass hero talents that has been awful since introduction

[bronze pike]

minmal changes

sub idk

i dont play ninja spec

im sure its okay same thing

[buoyant herald]

why rework SP when you can just turn the knob on mind link idk seems an easy spec to fix

[bronze pike]

minimal baseline changes they can do between expansion betas

[earnest remnant]

sub needs jesus

[lucid silo]

sub has a button bloat problem

[drifting cloud]

maybe the priest dev is a junior trying to move up the totem pole!

[nova kelp]

to be fair, there's probably as many Spriests as there are rogues 😛

[drifting cloud]

just cranking those reworks

[bronze pike]

while fatebound and deathmark needs gob

[bronze pike]

explain

i thought the removal of shadowdust was good

[earnest remnant]

its a walking identity crisis

[bronze pike]

sicne it doesnt hardblock casuals

[earnest remnant]

over half the talents dont do anything

[runic hinge]

You can move up my totem pole

[drifting cloud]

casuals werent playing dust anyways

[vital flicker]

I don't think any rogue talent tree is good, all 3 need god

[earnest remnant]

and our "AoE" talent works against the entire kit of current sub rogue

[bronze pike]

trickster is pog for routlaw

[nova kelp]

you know what bothers me heaps in retrospect, I feel like shadowdance was actually cooler mechanically AND thematically in the class tree for sin/outlaw than it ever was/is on sub 😛

[bronze pike]

that sounds like aids nvm then

[lucid silo]

just keep spreading rupture on sub that is really on brand am i right

[drifting cloud]

well atleast their rupture does dmg

[earnest remnant]

well its a finishers spec so sure

[nova kelp]

so are we...

[bronze pike]

yoru dot spec

and yet

[vital flicker]

I mean it's functional and has perma tricks, but its not very interesting

[nova kelp]

nah not in raid wed're not

[bronze pike]

one of your dot finishers do jack all

[haughty flicker]

when we did become a dot spec

this is news to me

im an envenom bot

[bronze pike]

i mean i beg to differ, all 3 need more visuals yes

[bronze pike]

real my bad

i forgot

[nova kelp]

if you wana be a bleed dot spec in raid, you gota have 4 legs and fur

[haughty flicker]

feral is a bite/ravage spec

they do still have snapshotting though so more of a dot spec

but your dots are there to fund bites

[nova kelp]

their dots do WAY more damage than ours still

in raid spec at least

[haughty flicker]

rip does do a lot more than rupture for sure

[bronze pike]

ferals arnt people

[nova kelp]

I personally wish sin was still an all round dots build

not sure if there are peeps who are like "envenom is life!" but just in general

[haughty flicker]

true, they're cats

[nova kelp]

MRGA make rupture great again

and just remove it from sub

coz lol

[earnest remnant]

Trickster at its core for sub is very good, just needs a few pieces fixed, nimble flurry needs to get fixed so it actually works with our shit instead of us psuedo ignoring it cuz then whats the fucking point, Baseline sub is a fcking mess, the gameplay loop itself is not far off from being very solid, just needs either a bit more CDR on dance or a little less.
half our talents dont do anything at all (less than 1% talents) our capstones besides a few are completely dogshit, our AoE talent goes against the rest of the kit, with finisher resets, we dont have any meaningful AoE and the spec is currently stuck in between doing high burst and low dps outside of cds, but its tuned so bad that it doesent do enough during cds to warrant the tank dps outside of the major cooldowns, so either bump up the baseline or tune the cds higher

[vital flicker]

I feel bad keeping rupture up while playing Sub, it just feels so pointless (though obviously it is good enough to keep up)

[runic hinge]

Get rid of find weakness too

[bronze pike]

i see your point

almost all of it are good points

[earnest remnant]

wasent gonna talk about that, cuz then i wouldve reached word limit

[bronze pike]

i just feel like the middle part aka the talent stuff is really a shared issue with every spec due to the nature of talent trees in general

i do agree with the rest

[lucid silo]

i miss DF sub

[bronze pike]

and wasa wondering where find weakness was

[runic hinge]

Sub has a lot of jank that could be trimmed and it could be a really good spec

[earnest remnant]

fcking positional requirement debuffs

fuck right off

[nova kelp]

I was in the sub channel the other day suggesting that while I like the downtime/uptime loop that the spec has, I dislike that the downtime exists purely as a window to just "wait" in
I feel like there should be a reason that you want to go there, and be there (please note: I'm NOT SAYING it should be a gcd locked spec)

people got MAD

[earnest remnant]

most of those specs still have to take meaningful choices when going for AoE vs single target

where as sub cannot

[bronze pike]

fair enough

[drifting cloud]

hey like lost ark!

[bronze pike]

im just staring at the 3 weak and 1 dead capstones i have as ret

[earnest remnant]

hemi has banned the word T-skill

imma make him ban the word backattack

when i swap to lunar

ong

[nova kelp]

but if you ban the description, how do you tell people where they need to attack from :P?

[drifting cloud]

stealthi just likes to suffer

[earnest remnant]

i think they just need to find away to give you something meaningful to do during it

[vital flicker]

I feel like the rogue tree and the Sin tree have some pretty banger capstones and then outlaw has only one completely dead pick

[earnest remnant]

instead of just being a backstab every 3 seconds simulator

would be nice to have lil minigame to play between dances / major cds

[worthy rose]

what do you do as sub when you run out of energy

[earnest remnant]

nothing

you wait

[worthy rose]

just stand there autoattacking and doing less than tank damage

[bronze pike]

ya

gsw is dead

but the like

gs is very lackluster

[nova kelp]

yeah that was essentially what I was trying to say, but people just extrapolated a LOT of unsaid meaning to why they hated the idea completely

There should be in my opinion, something that's important TO DO there, that you do WANT to do

Nothing that necessarily means filling every gcd etc, just an actual importance other than biding time

[earnest remnant]

you dont do any dmg outside of shadow dances, so having energy or not wont really do anything

[bronze pike]

so your only options are crackshot/ho or crackshot/kir

granted it is

more than what other classes have

i will admit

[drifting cloud]

have you tried it with 30% haste tho

[earnest remnant]

yes

[drifting cloud]

hidden breakpoint

[bronze pike]

hence why im saying outlaw atmost had its biggest problem fixedi n patch and that was killing spree

[earnest remnant]

i even took our haste increase talent

[vital flicker]

Having 2 builds is nore than a lot of classes

[earnest remnant]

for max value

[nova kelp]

right now your downtime as sub is at best an EXCUSE to press rupture

[earnest remnant]

(still dont know why thats a thing)

[nova kelp]

which is a lol button to begin with

I know the nightblade effect is kinda meaningless but like... idk it was something

[vital flicker]

I 100% agree with this though it is nice to ha e prio damage

[nova kelp]

it had a loop

[earnest remnant]

imagine having more than one, or even changing talents for M+

[earnest remnant]

ehh only reason it did was because you danced waay more often

[vital flicker]

Sub

[earnest remnant]

shorter dances

but more casts

[nova kelp]

I mean yeah

idk what the answer is

I just know the feeling as a player

and trying to explain it to other people trying to pick the spec up is a fucking nightmare

[earnest remnant]

Take ToS legion sub and copy paste it to live

there you have it

[nova kelp]

explaining TOS sub to someone made perfect sense

goated spec

[lucid silo]

dragonflight sub was fun. it wasnt very complex but it felt cool

[earnest remnant]

i only liked Shadowdust sub in DF

[drifting cloud]

but without DFA ... right

[earnest remnant]

rest i couldve done without

[bronze pike]

i think

[earnest remnant]

yes without

[bronze pike]

fdk rework

[drifting cloud]

[bronze pike]

cause thats lowkey what it is btw

[nova kelp]

ToS was honestly where I cemented my rogue as my main, and stuck with it

[bronze pike]

a actual rework

[earnest remnant]

just the same general gameplay loop

[bronze pike]

is good

[earnest remnant]

of more dance casts, but shorter dances

[bronze pike]

same tier as rets rework

i hope sub gets one

if its this bad

[earnest remnant]

so you peak burst every 30sec and not every 1min30

[bronze pike]

and the hero trees looked at for all 3 rogue specs

[earnest remnant]

which means your dmg comes from dances and not flag

which is imo what sub should be about

[nova kelp]

I don't think rogue needs a REWORK so to speak (definitionally to me at least)
but it needs a bunch of friction adjustments that probably require a lot of moving parts to be adjusted

[vital flicker]

It would be huge for m+ because currently you have 2 specs that always have damage and then one that can just be a potato for a significant amount of time

[ocean quiver]

always being able to spread dots will fix assassin

ezpz

make me dev

[nova kelp]

like stealthi said, copy paste ToS sub into the current format, and youll probably make all sub players happy, as well as have others interested in playing it

sin, just make dots massive, plux

OL just like, idk more gun

more dice

something

[worthy rose]

can you imagine

if IC was always up

rupture and garotes always hitting multiple

fuuuuuuck

we'd be just as powerful as unholy

[nova kelp]

nah nah you can't say that

you'll start a dk riot again

and there's like a billion of them compared to every 1 of us

[lucid silo]

most current DK players are fotm players

[nova kelp]

idk about that, a good portion of them are sure, but they're often a high population class

same with pally

part of pally would be the spec/role variety though

still

it's been a long time since I heard the 5heads talking about "pure class" stuff lol

[vital flicker]

Idk if it's a hot take but i actually kinda hate caustic spatter and wish they would get rid of it and give us better dotting ability like a permanent IC (I know it would make sin rogue much worse and I don't necessarily think they should make that change)

[balmy condor]

BASED

wait permanent IC

I didn't read all the way

NOT BASED

BACK IT UP

[nova kelp]

some would hate you for slandering spatter

but I agree with dots being the primary goal

not if IC wasn't a talent though

[vital flicker]

I used perma IC as an example becuase somebody else just said it

But the main takeaway is that I hate caustic spatter

[nova kelp]

IC I think is super cool as it is right now

[worthy rose]

i can confirm

i switched to dk to be fotm

[vital flicker]

I agree

[worthy rose]

dk is so fuckin easy tho

actually

[nova kelp]

I really like spatter a lot
but I think if it comes at the cost of "you are now envenom bot beep boop" then I hate it

[worthy rose]

anyone who cant do well as a dk probs need to relearn the game

unholy is essentially 3 buttons

the only way to best describe unholy dk is just rogue bleed build on steroids

[nova kelp]

if someone told me though
you can have either:
Sin with spatter and shit dots
or Sin without spatter and big dots

Like that choice is set in stone and enacted before I have a chance to finish a blink

[worthy rose]

yeah

you have to talent into it

or you can talent into single target and do beastmode damge too

[misty holly]

Spatter and IC on a choice node. Everyone's happy!

[vital flicker]

Tbf you can use the bleed build and talent out of spatter and still do enough damage to time a 15, nit that I would recommend it

[lucid silo]

more like no one is happy

[nova kelp]

what's the saying?
you know when you've hit a good compromise when everyone feels fucked over?

[worthy rose]

i have tested for science and you can use bleed build and one button rotation and time a 15

[nova kelp]

something like that

does the 1 button rotation USE CT in single target as the bleed build? I'd assume not

[vital flicker]

I more just meant that like 95% of sin players could just not use spatter in keys if they felt like it

[worthy rose]

oh ture

[nova kelp]

lol CAREFUL
you're totally correct, but you start to verge on that thing that got JPC in trouble one time

the whole
unless you're min maxing you could probably just not press rupture on sub debacle

[worthy rose]

are you saying

i can play sub without rupture

say less

[nova kelp]

HAHAHAHAHAH

meanwhile these days peeps are all up in the chat like
mannnnnn I just forget about that shit

[balmy condor]

he didn't even really get in trouble for that

he got in trouble for having awful math and tripling down when we corrected him

[nova kelp]

it's the part I remember popping off in the actual discourse around it

[balmy condor]

he made like a 20 min video going over the math with no rupture

and it was all wrong

[buoyant herald]

That sounds like some content fo real

[balmy condor]

and then there was the porn brigading

[earnest remnant]

the math wasent mathing

[nova kelp]

there was obviously actually bad parts with numbers but like only the peeps who really knew were mentioning that

[buoyant herald]

The hwhat

[balmy condor]

and that was actually the straw

[nova kelp]

oh I didn't ven know about that part lol

[earnest remnant]

he sent his army in here spamming porn

[nova kelp]

I was probably asleep

[buoyant herald]

I spend way too much time here I’m surprised I missed that

[earnest remnant]

well at this point it was quite a while ago

[nova kelp]

I just remember coming along later on and everyones run down was "misinformation, he told people you absolutely do not ever press rupture as sub"
and I was like "wait... that's not... what?"

[earnest remnant]

like early SL

[fallow canopy]

porn spamming army that's crazy

[buoyant herald]

Oh ok, I only became rogue main in late s3 of SL

[nova kelp]

a porn brigade though is pretty fuckin wild

[haughty flicker]

its dead

finally

gally down

[nova kelp]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[fallow canopy]

grats!

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-baby-shout-yell-cheer-gif-17061687

[buoyant herald]

Gz

[runic hinge]

Reclear soon! Back to moonkin

[haughty flicker]

really we lost because now we cant race to world last

[nova kelp]

did you get a big g, my big g?

[buoyant herald]

My guild is on break time after this weeks raid and I’m away for it, no big g for me

[haughty flicker]

no i suck

also

i was playing sub all prog

swap back to assa

3 pulls and he dies

[buoyant herald]

A sign for sure

[nova kelp]

my glead traded me his big g the other night

[fallow canopy]

truly the blessed spec

[earnest remnant]

i played an undergeared shaman for my reclear this week

[nova kelp]

I collect mounts and hadn't had the luck so far

[balmy condor]

so we can maple prog now?

[nova kelp]

legit I always wanted to play maplestory
I see people playing late game stuff and I'm like "that's kinda cool"

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

but whenever I try I'm like a rando no class mr potato head and I get bored 25 mins in

[haughty flicker]

can on challenger world

my bm blew up its bow trying to get to 17

[nova kelp]

17?

+17?

[haughty flicker]

i forgor to safeguard

this is maple not wow

[nova kelp]

ah that makes more sense

[balmy condor]

can you blue dot hlucid?

we're doing hlucid duo on 2 chars today

[nova kelp]

whispyr do you stream any of your mstory? or is it a self pleasure tool only?

[balmy condor]

you can tag onto that

reg world

[balmy condor]

every now and then yes

[haughty flicker]

oh i go sleep soon so not today

[nova kelp]

this just in
bel hates whispyr

[vital flicker]

You gotta love that we are getting a new patch next month and all the sin rogue theory crafter/guide writer has to talk about is maple story. (Not hating on maple story nor hating on talking about maple story just bringing up that rogue has only had a fix for the onebutton and killing spree rework so far for a major content update)

[frozen glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpdrive-drive-glorp-drive-charborg-gif-5783026409085825543

[balmy condor]

true actually

I'm offering the man a way out

and he said no fuck you

real quote

[haughty flicker]

it midnight here

i sleep

[balmy condor]

okay hlucid on a character next week then

[nova kelp]

imagine playing a rogue and being afraid of the night

[haughty flicker]

deal

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-5916138264924840740

[haughty flicker]

its true

i am a real gamer

[coral ibex]

today i had to attend a not mandatory just strongly recommended work beach bbq

there was no alcohol

[haughty flicker]

mandatory fun day huge

[coral ibex]

i got paid for the whole time tho

so ups and downs

i have a farmers tan from the wristband

[nova kelp]

this is actually super refreshing to see instead of the
man I've been sucking so bad this tier, he's my all 99% parses this season shares

[haughty flicker]

i uh

trolled a lot

ngl

i blame the fact i was playing sub all of prog

had 3 pulls on sin

[nova kelp]

peeps be low key like "IF YOU DON'T PINK PARSE MINIMUM THEN DO YOU EVEN PLAY THE FUCKING GAME BRO!"

[coral ibex]

if ur not first ur last

[haughty flicker]

think i missed a whole cd set

only had one charge of shiv for execute cds

gamer stuff you know

[fallow canopy]

poison color

[worthy rose]

is this jpc guy

the famous jpcwednesay guy i see on murlok all the time

[balmy condor]

yes

he used to be a rogue in shadowlands

and then he joined liquid

did one tier

and then burnt out

[haughty flicker]

based

[lucid silo]

you dont want to have to play and fully gear 20 rogues?

[balmy condor]

basically was just full on OSRS gamer for most of dragonflight

[earnest remnant]

how many tiers did he even do with liquid before taking a break

4?

[balmy condor]

1

[earnest remnant]

nah

he first played in Sepulcher and stopped after amirdrassil

[balmy condor]

maybe

[haughty flicker]

it was a few yeah

then left to do school or somethng

[balmy condor]

yeah okay he was in for aberrus

[haughty flicker]

while runescaping

[balmy condor]

and amirdrassil

[haughty flicker]

there was a good clip of him circling tindral ball

[fallow canopy]

high tier mythic raiding sounds exhausting so based

[earnest remnant]

Jailer - Rasz - Sark - Fyrakk

[balmy condor]

I'm exhausted just keeping up with what's happening in high tier

[runic hinge]

I like watching sometimes but like an hour a tier when they’re close

[frank condor]

hey has anyone done the research yet for the effect of atrophic poison next raid? wondering if there's gonna be a bunch of damage that is not reduced by it. seeing if we need to run a rogue in the comp or if its optional

[earnest remnant]

i pretty much watch every day

[haughty flicker]

yeah i watch rwf perma when its going ngl

[runic hinge]

I guess I watched more the previous tiers. This one I was busy

[balmy condor]

atrophic works on basically everything

[frank condor]

thx, i just know last tier there was some stuff where it didn't work, wondered on the direction for this one upcoming

[balmy condor]

you can find it yourself by just opening ptr logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Kp8DtAfQd2mzNhGy?fight=13&type=damage-taken&by=target

and doing a filter like this

damage taken -> taken from source

if you can hit the thing on the list, atrophic works

sikran? atrophic works

environment? doesn't work

simulacrums? can't hit those, doesn't work

[frank condor]

ty sir

v helpful

[icy geyser]

phys comp incominng because of monk raid buff

[vital flicker]

The problem with a phys comp is that nobody plays monk, rogue or feral

[icy geyser]

they will reroll for sure, last week I've seen lots of monk tanks in lfg and rogues also

need to learn outlaw now xD kekw

[subtle tundra]

lol no changes again to rouge

[worthy rose]

no change is better than a fat nerf

[golden loom]

Ay Tony

[runic hinge]

Sup

[rotund oak]

yeah man those lipsticks never change

i blame the fashion industries

no new shades

same over and over again

[split drift]

because we have been in caster / magic dmg meta for too many seasons. if blizz "overbuffs" phys the meta rerollers will adapt given enough time, as they always do

[amber brook]

And they are all leather

can we get a leather buff

[slim copper]

lesgoooooooo parsed a 66 for my ilvl on M Lockenstock boys

https://tenor.com/view/honest-work-it-ain't-much-farmer-honest-work-done-gif-13983938260498736951

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

[amber brook]

siuuu

[runic basin]

So another reset, where are the rogue buffs?

[zenith elm]

Good morning fellow rogues

[zenith elm]

None as always 😁

[shrewd perch]

anyone some good Platerprofils for assa rouge ?

[hallow glade]

jundies https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

[distant hinge]

!trinket

hmm when is best time to use 2nd HoC use? wit for KB or DM?

[normal mist]

Always with dm

Macro it and forget about it

[zenith elm]

Really hope we get some changes before live

[balmy condor]

https://imgur.com/GwLsvX6

[royal lantern]

good gif

stay Hydrated

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/moo-chicken-chicken-moo-gif-9107466186992598070

[zenith elm]

Are you ok @balmy condor ? 🤣

[normal mist]

Is this drunkispyr

[zenith elm]

Omg is it ?

I hope it is

[normal mist]

There's a high chance

[balmy condor]

No

Soberspyr

But with banger gifs

[zenith elm]

Still good then

[normal mist]

That's something drunkispyr would say

[balmy condor]

Can’t be drunk

Raid testing tomorrow

Today

Later

[red schooner]

Hell yeah, hopefully it's a fun tier

[runic hinge]

Can always be drunk for raid testing

[zenith elm]

You need to be drunk for raid testing

[ocean quiver]

It was me guys you can all thank me when we get it dw I accept donations now

[rotund oak]

anonymous alchoholics 2025

[subtle tundra]

are you stupid?

raid testing means you should be drunk

[balmy condor]

Rude, yes

[subtle tundra]

why is asking something considered rude

its pure curiosity

fuckwit

^ thats rude

god im horney

[rotund oak]

stop hitting on whispyr though

ill tell everything to his wife

[subtle tundra]

he does not have a wife

a girlfriend yes

and she probably knows he is being hit on

[balmy condor]

Varas is my wife

[subtle tundra]

MIAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[balmy condor]

I be coming home and he’s in my kitchen wearing nothin but an apron and a good attitude

Ya know what I mean

[rotund oak]

''honey im home''

[zenith elm]

And now i'm horney

[subtle tundra]

and you know im bricked up

[normal mist]

Can you guys stop making the entire channel horny

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-tiktok-gif-25591053

[zenith elm]

Good food

[brave stump]

Whats that

A Dubai burrito

[midnight atlas]

its canolli

[red schooner]

Its a Dubai burrito now

[midnight atlas]

at the start of pandemic i survived on pizza and canolli for 2 months. best time

[red schooner]

Canon name

[zenith elm]

Canolli pistaccio from venice 😁

Ice cream from yesterday (me and wife)

[brave stump]

Ok why you have such nice weather

[midnight atlas]

because italy in summer

[zenith elm]

I mean, its italy in summer ?

[midnight atlas]

the brightness level in italy is pog

[brave stump]

My dog isnt amused with german rainy stormy weather

[subtle tundra]

isnt venice omega expensive

im poor

you go to venice i go to slovenia

[zenith elm]

It cost us like 500 euros each for 5 days in venice

[red schooner]

That ain't too bad

[zenith elm]

Including the flight

And i'm being a bit "fancy" cause i went to a mission for 50 days with the military, got a nice bonus

[royal lantern]

"on a mission"

mate was questing irl

[astral plover]

What boss do you guys use Eye of Kazan over Pacemaker?

[golden loom]

gallywix only

[zenith elm]

It was fun tbh ! 😁

[serene mason]

FFS is this real? i thought frontals can also target melees?

[rotund oak]

ild trade u the heatwave im experiencing for your dog and the german weather

[spice surge]

It cannot

[golden loom]

It also cant target people with a blaze right? or

[rotund oak]

flight tickets aint rly that expensive this time around,depends when u book them for the most part

u are a nice couple btw 👌

[zenith elm]

Thanks Sap 😎🫡

Yeah we're having fun, its also quite cool and still we are enjoying the sun without too much heat you know? 🤣

[left pine]

In Italy we are fighting with 35-40 °C

[rotund oak]

In Greece its 4rth day 42C

today winds blow a bit more,its going down a bit,2 days break to 36-ish then again 40s for a week

[marsh fjord]

Guys i gotta update my bios and im scared

[red schooner]

Nah its easy.

[marsh fjord]

This error when i start wow has been here for months 😄

[red schooner]

Firmware on USB, plug it in, hit update

Chill

Just make sure you have the right firmware

[marsh fjord]

I ain't that good with computers do i download the firmware into the USB?

[rotund oak]

idk any other way tbh,u just download it

[marsh fjord]

😄

[red schooner]

I'd say to find your motherboard manufacturers page and go from there, they should have instructions

[marsh fjord]

Ty ty ty

Appreciate you

[red schooner]

I don't wanna give you general info only for you to then find that your motherboard had some weird quirks or something

[marsh fjord]

Nah your all good.

A friend of mine ( who was trolling) said if you put it wrongly inside of your PC it will blow up your motherboard lol

[rotund oak]

its not jetfuel btw

[red schooner]

For my mobo it was just, put firmware on USB, put USB in PC, enter bios, hit update, reboot

[zenith elm]

Dont need enemies with friends like this

[golden loom]

does it look like this?

[marsh fjord]

Nah it just tells me that i need to update my bios from 13th to 14th lol

[golden loom]

oh

[marsh fjord]

let me get you the screenshot

[zenith elm]

Mine looks like this

[serene mason]

okay no more frontal baitings for me.

[golden loom]

welcome to the broken cpu club

[serene mason]

it does not say "its broken" it just say you should update the bios to prevent that.

[golden loom]

no I meant if you get the error that I did

[serene mason]

but you can find out if your CPU is defective already by running XTU Benchmark.

[serene mason]

yes

true

but could be also any kind of ram issue ^^

[golden loom]

well if you have a 13th/14th gen intel CPU and you used it before the BIOS update was made

then chances are...

its a bit damaged already

like I fixed my errors by undervolting the CPU a bit cause cba returning it

[rotund oak]

had this problem with my ex

[zenith elm]

I have a broken CPU? Do i need to change it ? ☠️

[golden loom]

do you crash a lot

[zenith elm]

Happens sometimes but not a lot

[golden loom]

probably chill then

[zenith elm]

Kk thx man

[analog field]

Guys any advice for mythic bandit ?

[red schooner]

Rupture snipe adds, bait coins well, that's... About it

[analog field]

if the kill timer is less than 6 is it value to wait for min5 to pop pot and DM ? or just DM on min 4

[red schooner]

Delaying DM for a full minute is bad, don't do that

[subtle tundra]

well if kill timer is 6 or less then holding dm is correct if it gets it with pot + bl + execute

just use kb alone

[red schooner]

I need to check timings but on reclear 4 mins lined up with lust or close enough

[golden loom]

my last kill for example was 5:24 and we lust at 3:10 so only got a KB there

[final star]

that's wrong

if you don't lose a cast of DM

it can be a damage gain

because you can get that 4m outside of execute

then 5m inside execute

for example

you've not lost a cast and gained execute damage

[red schooner]

Lust for us on reclear was 4 minutes 22 for us and boss was basically in execute range

So, holding til 5 for pot, not worth it in that instance

[final star]

how weird

we lust on pull atm on every boss

except mug'zee if it doesn't push correctly

and then we lust at 4mins and boss dies at 04:50

[golden loom]

Ideally I would like to DM on pull -> KB -> DM -> KB -> maybe hold this DM and only KB -> DM as boss dies but also the 4 min DM is just very clean to get full dam off on mugzee

[analog field]

i am trialing in a new guild and i don't know the exact timing for their kill , i see some wipes they had and it was 5:12 at 13% so maybe it reaches 6 maybe not

[red schooner]

I'm just going by our reclear but I held for 20 seconds because the boss was nearing transition, I'd assume at this stage in the season holding til 5 wouldn't be worth

[golden loom]

like I sent this KB as soon as it came up and boss died 7 seconds later, so if I was doing a full DM pot KB send here it would be tragic

[analog field]

also never done OAB mythic , in my previous guild after sprocket we went to gally so oab and mug are unknown to me

[red schooner]

Earlier on, sure

[fluid temple]

Can anyone explain why everyone is going with 2x vicious venoms and not Improved garrote nd Master assassin for ST. Improved garrote and Master assassin is simming higher?

[analog field]

if there are adds vicious is better

[red schooner]

Because mutilate got buffed and now does decent damage

[golden loom]

VV better cleave and execute, imp garr can be better pure ST, but idk I don't even bother swapping for sprocket

[grim jay]

Easier to play

Flexible vanish

There is not much else to it

[fluid temple]

I understand. Thanks a lot for the info

[iron carbon]

Depends on stats too

[royal lantern]

no?

[iron carbon]

Doesn't sim higher for me

[golden loom]

yeah I had the same previously where VV was simming higher

now MA is simming higher though

[iron carbon]

Yes?

[fluid temple]

Any clue to why assa is simming so much less than other specs like feral as an example or outlaw. Is it because of the dmg buff in raid?

[fluid temple]

had the same

[golden loom]

its just a low simming spec

cause I mean in pure ST it isnt super great

[grim jay]

Its because sims arent meant to be compared and have many variances between specs, while none of them actually matter for performance in raids/keys either. Sims are purely for gearing on that one spec they are done on

[iron carbon]

No, it's a bad ST patchwerk spec

[golden loom]

but raid bosses arent pure ST

except for sprocket

[iron carbon]

Outlaw higher cuz 100% uptime in sims

But 100% isn't real

[fluid temple]

I see, thanks a lot guys

[flat flare]

what's looking the best rn for s3 mythic raiding? Assa or sub?

[tawny rapids]

Guys so we know if SIMS properly use the Culminating blasphemite .15% crit for having unique gems ?

My sims show up to use ALL the same gem and not utilising it at all

[spice surge]

Did you press the checkmark to make it use all the gems

[tawny rapids]

Ya it’s tellling me to use the gel but every other one is haste Crit

Gem*

[spice surge]

Try it again but press the "use all colors" checkmark

[tawny rapids]

Will do thanks mate

[royal lantern]

there is also the possibility that its just not worth it over the raw stats

cus like

0,15% crit dmg lol

[hearty seal]

wait
it's like
+0.6% crit damage? so a crit for 100 (for simplicity's sake)
now does 100.6%?

[spice surge]

Yes

[iron carbon]

Prolly sin and outlaw

[royal lantern]

plottwist: its sub

again

for the 6th tier in a row

[subtle tundra]

imagine if its outlaw the moment i stop playing

🫃

[flat flare]

Doubt it's gonna be outlaw. Single target, nothing looks too crazy

Reason why I'm asking which one is looking good from sin/sub, so i know in which i invest my time learning 😂

[buoyant herald]

good thing about assass is you can learn it in an afternoon

[iron carbon]

What?

Wdym

[flat flare]

Nothing standing out right now, and unless a major balancing issue will arise, chances are quite low

[iron carbon]

I don't get it

The only issue with outlaw rn is the ks

And ks is fixed next tier

[flat flare]

Yeah but even with ks fixed, it's mid

In raid i mean

[iron carbon]

Like other rogues

[flat flare]

It won't be taken into prog over assa

[iron carbon]

Oh, in raid*

Ok

Thought it was for m+

[flat flare]

Nono raid

In m+ im going outlaw all the way lol

But i gotta prep for raid too

[iron carbon]

Can't tell yet then

[royal lantern]

?

outlaws biggest Weakness is literally that it has 0 burst ina game that HEAVY favors burst in raids

• downtime punishment

and we allready know that the last fight will involve flying around

[iron carbon]

Read the threads

[royal lantern]

remember how great that was for outlaw on tindral

[iron carbon]

I thought it was for m+

[royal lantern]

like, outlaw is never really the prog spec for multiple reasons

[iron carbon]

^

I know all of that

[zenith elm]

Sub or assa depending if you need huge burst or execute dmg

[iron carbon]

Depends boss timing and shit

If you got adds to burst every 90 sec, you gonna play sub

[iron carbon]

Indeed, I stop reading after mythic, sorry

[midnight mist]

We tested the second to last boss

Everything that outlaw hates

Downtime, burst AOE, burst st with damage amp

More downtime

Hmge

[spice surge]

Bad news for pirates

[zenith elm]

@midnight mist is dooming

[royal lantern]

so its good for the game

[strange tundra]

@midnight mist miss u

[midnight mist]

Ye sure

[royal lantern]

jokes aside

i REALLY dont know how they can solve that problem without a full revamp on Outlaw

[midnight mist]

Idk I kinda accepted that outlaw will be Perma dogshit in raid

[royal lantern]

like, legit no idea

[midnight mist]

I don't care anymore

I just want it to be good in m+

Issue is they decided to give everything to assa

So now you need for assa to be dogshit and outlaw super good for outlaw to be able to be played in m+

[royal lantern]

hey, they flipped it around

in 5years we have outlaw being the go to raid spec but weird in m+, sub being strong in m+ and assa being the weird 3rd option

and we went trought all variations

[subtle tundra]

womp womp cry about it

[midnight mist]

Outlaw has been the go to in raid ?

I mean that must have been before my time

I think I joined at the wrong time maybe

[royal lantern]

nah, predicting the future

[midnight mist]

Oh in that way ye

Surely

Idc about raid viability honestly anymore

I'm reformed

[spice surge]

I dont think sub is gonna be strong in m+ either

[midnight mist]

I just clear raid in 1 month then I can play outlaw in farm forever

[spice surge]

The burst in ST is good but it doesnt cleave enough to make it strong in aoe

And when youre a burst spec that does no damage outside dance and other classes do 25% more burst than you in their CDs youre in for a bad time

[subtle tundra]

guys remember, reworked specs are the op ones

rogue has had dick

i can give dick

[nova aspen]

DK looking poggies next season

[spice surge]

Brewmaster for sure

[royal lantern]

let them have it

brew was in a weird spot long enougu

[zenith elm]

I wanna play ass rogue on next raid

[royal lantern]

then do it

[zenith elm]

But for now its not being the best lol ☠️

[zenith elm]

RL is gonna kill me if i dont switch to sub for some bosses

[red schooner]

Kill him first

[royal lantern]

are you wr 150 or something lol

[zenith elm]

Based comment

[zenith elm]

He wants to lol

[royal lantern]

and how does he know the tuning

[royal lantern]

oh, yeha a shit rl then

[zenith elm]

Cause he looked at first PTR testing in heroic lol

[red schooner]

[royal lantern]

yeha

brainlet RL

[zenith elm]

You know, the famous spreadsheet ☠️

[indigo mulch]

Are we ready for tomorrow shit storm?

[spice surge]

Why would tomorrow be a storm

[red schooner]

No

[indigo mulch]

PTR.

[zenith elm]

Whats in ptr tomorrow ?

[royal lantern]

they announced one in my area, idk our weather news are kinda accurate

[indigo mulch]

Wait, isen't there a new build coming tomorrow? D: They generally come on thursday no? D:

[spice surge]

There was one yesterday

[indigo mulch]

Oh.

😦

I missed it then

[spice surge]

Perhaps try cutting their funding?

[lean plover]

Doesnt mean there wont be more notes this week, but probably not big ones if any

[indigo mulch]

Worked out great in some parts of the world right?

[spice surge]

But ye assa isnt doing too hot at the moment

Surely the tier gets buffed

[indigo mulch]

I predict the famous 5%

[zenith elm]

No we're gonna be shit for awhile

It happens, its normal

[spice surge]

Yep

Then youll get buffed 2 weeks in the raid

And people will swap from sub to assa

[orchid pewter]

Make it 10% by accident, then revert to 5 and it basically doesnt matter

Like sub

[spice surge]

And then complain "sub scales poorly with stats"

[indigo mulch]

I mean, if we are super duper shit they just aura buffs us like usual.

[orchid pewter]

Surely

[indigo mulch]

I mean thats what they always done when they eff up.

😒

[midnight mist]

How much is the tier worth rn

You know it surprises me we are going to manage to go an entire expac without hero talents being touched up

They dropped them on beta

Half borked

And it has been half borked since then

[spice surge]

Yep it is what it is, not even small adjustments that would alleviate most of the issues

Just straight rawdogging the last day before alpha deadline deathstalker without any changes whatsoever

[spice surge]

Like 10%

[midnight mist]

I see

Outlaw is around that aswell

[subtle tundra]

which tier...

[midnight mist]

Closer to 15

[subtle tundra]

there's 2

[midnight mist]

Trickster

[spice surge]

if that helps you sleep at night

[midnight mist]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

idk what youre trying to say

[spice surge]

Fatebound still unplayable

[midnight mist]

You don't wanna play with coins varas?

It's fun no?

You shit out coins

[subtle tundra]

where does it say i play

[midnight mist]

And the only downside is that you lose about infinite prio damage whenever you have additional targets

[spice surge]

And then theres any form of adds and your coins do a lot less damage

[midnight mist]

• you do 0 aoe

[spice surge]

[midnight mist]

That sound good

[spice surge]

Its way better for sub though so we'll see what they do

[midnight mist]

Ye I know

30% for sub

I have seen it

[spice surge]

More like 23-24%, but ye its strong

[midnight mist]

Idk how they are gonna tune that between specs

Oh well

Not my job

If they wanna make it harder on themselves

Who am I to stop them

[spice surge]

Theyll likely just wont

[midnight mist]

Ye I know

I mean the fact the only rogue change we got on ptr

Was killing spree rework

About 5 years late

And they basically haven't touched it yet

[lean plover]

Pls zac stop forgetting poison prio on obr

[midnight mist]

Even tho there has been numerous feedback and everyone agrees on what needs to be changed

Which is a first tbf

[buoyant herald]

Man I remember specs used to get a 10% tier and be happy now we’re out here with 25 whaaaa

[midnight mist]

Never seen a whole community agree on something

And it's been 4 weeks

0 changes

Hmge

[lean plover]

I dont think rogue need many changes, but hero talents are so bad

[midnight mist]

Hero talents don't need many changes either lol

If they just

Took 5 min

To work on rogue

[nova aspen]

we are like dead last in player base

they need to appease the popular

(ret)

[midnight mist]

I mean if you let a spec die

Class sorry

Of course

[red schooner]

And then the cycle continues, less people play it, so less changes or fixes, so less people play

[nova aspen]

havent we been nearly last for multiple expacs?

[buoyant herald]

Fighting with monk for last for awhile, then it overtook rogue, then evoker came out

[nova aspen]

its just not a popular class

[buoyant herald]

Will probably overtake rogue soon too

[nova aspen]

weve gotten lots of changes in 10 years i bet

never seen rogue above bottom 3

[humble verge]

man

is it another morning of launch problems?

[red schooner]

Arguably if you look at the number of parses in heroic, evokers have more numbers than we have

[bronze pike]

I mean

Again guys

[red schooner]

Maybe not the best metric but I take what data I can get

[bronze pike]

Spec popularity doesn’t dictate anything of importance

Cause brew was dead last for ages

And now it’s getting reworked

If there is a metric

I highly doubt it’s up there in terms of general importance

[red schooner]

But yeah I'm working on not dooming but some hero talent tweaks would be nice

[nova aspen]

maybe im biased

just seems like classes like ret and mage get far more attention

over the years

[bronze pike]

I beg to differ about ret

Mage does seem to get a lot of blueposts

But non meme answer

Gotta look at the quality of bluepost

Cause 3/4 of mage bluepost is hot ass

[nova aspen]

is low quality abdundant blueposts worse than no blueposts?

[bronze pike]

In my opinion

Yes

Fuck mages tho

[flat flare]

As a mage main, i have to agree

[royal lantern]

i wont fuck you

icky ranged

[flat flare]

but i'm cute

[humble verge]

LIKE 15 WEEKS OF VAULT ON MY MAIN ROGUE, NO NECK, AND THE FIRST ONE ON MY ALT I GET A FUCKING NECK

[marsh fjord]

The game knows what you want and refuses to give it

[royal lantern]

thats why you open your vault and pretend you dont care at the same time

[nova aspen]

i havent been disappointed by my vault in like 2 months

the key is not opening it

[gusty mirage]

I still have 2 vaults to open up from the first week of May AMA

[humble verge]

im not really dissapointed

im more

annoyed

[grim jay]

Ye like, just pretend you dont care after thinking about it (the cool stuff you could get) the whole day and rushing home after school/work to open it

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been letting my vault cook for 2 months

It’s gotta have something good

Right?

[main bridge]

i got upgrades in all my vaults this week

it owned

[grim jay]

Gonna be a nice stew

[gusty mirage]

I hope you continue to get more upgrades because your pfp makes me smile

And usually nothing in this server makes me smile

Case in point:

I should have spoilered that

I’m so sorry for anyone with eyes

[lean plover]

wtf is that

[half light]

fishy bananas i guess

[gusty mirage]

Herring bananas and cinnamon

There’s people starving on this planet

And our Nordic friends are eating this shit

[lean plover]

Some people aint aware of the geneva convention

[humble verge]

/tea

wait bruh

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

there we go

[main bridge]

ty

[zenith elm]

Muffin is the best

I hope his pillow is always cold 😁

[main bridge]

wow

thank you so much

[zenith elm]

Np man 😁

[rotund oak]

got 3 f@kin necks this vault and 2 the previous one,got a 681 crafted

blizzard things

[humble verge]

:3

[peak helm]

Not sure if best place to ask, but wondering if there's any reason to expect stat priorities to change based on what's on PTR right now. Would love to be able to swap between Ass and Outlaw easily next tier but the opposite stat prios are annoying, have to have two whole gear sets basically

[main bridge]

if you want to be optimal i think you're probably always going to have multiple gear sets

[pliant remnant]

I like the idea, but that would require Blizzard to spend more than 2 seconds working on rogue

[royal lantern]

(and assa has no stat prios)

[main bridge]

it's important to understand that running top gear is the way to figure out what is best to equip and not stat priorities

[peak helm]

Yeah I mean that it's often suggesting opposite things when I sim i.e. more haste for outlaw based on current gear vs. mastery for ass sim

[spice surge]

Well assa doesnt care much at all about which stats it has so you can play with whatever

[main bridge]

sims suggest gear to equip, not any specific amount of stats

make sure you are running top gear and not anything related to stats

[peak helm]

I mean it suggests different enchants e.g. rings

[spice surge]

Ye with like 0.1% difference

Which is nothing

Quite literally

[peak helm]

Fair

[rotund oak]

im near 681ilvl ill park my rogue there and play my shadow priest for a bit

looks fun and all

but generally retail is cringe

[humble verge]

im 643 on my 2nd rogue now

neck gave me like 10 ilvls lol

[hard river]

u really just need different rings and neck i think

Not really a whole gear set

[west crown]

Sin’s favorite stat is agility, just keep that in mind

[real pike]

Gear Compare manual sim crew

there are dozens of us

[main bridge]

gear compare is a bad idea

it will let you do impossible stuff like equip more embellishments than the game allows

[real pike]

I have a solution for that

I simply only sim what is possible

[main bridge]

that's just one example

[real pike]

reckon this works for all examples of impossible stuff

[main bridge]

sounds fool-proof. just don't make mistakes ever

easy

[real pike]

now you're getting it

[molten pollen]

Has there been any important changes or changes at all to rogues in S3 ???

[frozen glacier]

no

[zenith elm]

We dont even have any buff or nerfs on ptr 🤣

[molten pollen]

Yea I have been trying to look for them and none other than a update to the OBR

[ocean quiver]

Guys i'm renown 20 now with the raid faction

where is the teleport?

[main bridge]

it's an item you use probably

[fallow canopy]

I believe its on the spellbook

I may be wrong tho

[ocean quiver]

Yeah it is

It's like another portal thing

[main bridge]

that's good im sick of all these items crowding my bags

[ocean quiver]

8h cd too

[main bridge]

it's funny that you get the portal around the same time you are likely done with the raid

[ocean quiver]

Literally lol

[nocturne quail]

CE should give you portal

[ocean quiver]

I think it should be given as a mythic reward instead or something

[ocean quiver]

what the

copying me?

[nocturne quail]

great minds

[ocean quiver]

so do we kiss now?

[nocturne quail]

same spec same brain

[ocean quiver]

fr tho

[jaunty matrix]

how is sin looking in ptr ?

[main bridge]

rogue dead we are all frost DKs now

[jaunty matrix]

no way

[coral ibex]

i dont pay attention to ptr tuning

[jaunty matrix]

sin will get buffed by 200% a day before patch

[coral ibex]

what am i gonna do about it

other than nothing

[keen spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[jaunty matrix]

surely

[coral ibex]

im gonna log in on patch day and play the game

dooming is a low tier hobby

[golden loom]

every ptr patch 0 changes into massive dooming into spec being fine anyways

[coral ibex]

[golden loom]

thats why I am gonna gear DH/warrior/monk week 1 aswell and then not touch them afterwards and one trick assa

[coral ibex]

if anything being undertuned in ptr is good bc you just get buffed before the live patch hits

being good on ptr is bait

[golden loom]

not gonna lie though, I have done all my transmog farming of the event on DH and that class feels so fun to just move around with

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-buff-gif-19858013

[coral ibex]

making sarcastic comments in reply to ptr doomers is a high tier hobby

[fallow canopy]

A singular person cannot be this based

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

REAL

[golden loom]

honestly real reason to play DH is that the nelf heritage armor set is incredible

[shy axle]

[spice spire]

What the sigma

[golden loom]

What the quakema

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/tax-evasion-feel-that-thats-gif-27672982

[humble verge]

we love a great UI

[weary stump]

You're farming clay in the new dune game clearly

[violet flint]

is there any commands about why electric current is the bis belt choice?

[golden loom]

in the pinned messages

[violet flint]

nice thanks

[rotund jungle]

hey guys anyone got some sources about the 3,6 % dmg reduction posion stacks from multiple roq´s, cause my guild doesnt belive in it ^^

[humble verge]

yes it does

it has been said so many times here

but its doesnt do 2x

it does something like

1.625 if im not wrong

[rotund jungle]

ok thank u mate

[humble verge]

i forgot the math

are you running double rogue?

[rotund jungle]

yes sometimes

one sub one assa

[humble verge]

alr

[golden loom]

you can check here

healing -> mitigations

[rotund jungle]

thats perfect thank u

[sick eagle]

Bleed build without KB still good in m+? How is it on bosses?

[coral ibex]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[coral ibex]

if you have to ask you should just play bleed

[normal kite]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hasty saddle]

does it matter if ascendence enchant is on the MH or OH?

[balmy condor]

No

But crafted weapons are -3 ilvl from max myth track

And that definitely does matter

[hasty saddle]

ty

not sure how im only pulling 2.5m on single target max and it has me bothered lol

[coral ibex]

sounds about right

my ST sim is like 2.6m

[jaunty matrix]

really ?

[hasty saddle]

logs of people over 5-6mil is bonkers

[coral ibex]

not rogues and not single target

thats for sure

[hasty saddle]

ah maybe you're right, must be getting good cleave dmg in from caustic

[covert jewel]

stix is whole other story

[coral ibex]

if you can show me a log of a rogue doing 5m pure single target in current patch without any funny bugs

i'll eat a mtg card

[waxen oyster]

Just start the log at 35%

15m dps, clearly isnt just one dm window

[balmy condor]

Yes, Main hand weapon item level is the single biggest factor in ability damage

[zenith elm]

So we need to swap to a myth dagger as soon as possible ?

I thought a crafted one was good enough

[waxen oyster]

Weapon damage matters

[balmy condor]

????

[kindred breach]

Yeah its the thing which gives u the most dps per damage point

[balmy condor]

Yes?

It’s the most important upgrade

[coral ibex]

myth dagger is higher item level which means higher weapon damage which means more damage on your abilities