assassination

[bronze pike]

cause

[haughty flicker]

[bronze pike]

fuck

that

[waxen oyster]

did bro not press demolish

[stark matrix]

He didn’t press revenge, he used whirlwind

[waxen oyster]

i saw a pwar once

have whirlwind in his top 3

[royal lantern]

bruh my rat ass druid tank alt i barely play correct pulls 1,4m overall at 680, and thats a tank that is know for doing low dmg rn lol

[royal lantern]

BASED

BASED

WHAT A CHAD

[bronze pike]

real

my vdh

with

671

pulls a shit ton of damage

[waxen oyster]

most vdh players dont know how to press

[bronze pike]

infact

[waxen oyster]

reaver fracture soulcleave

in that order

[bronze pike]

:)

[royal lantern]

they press soulcleave

[bronze pike]

and then play nospb

[royal lantern]

:3

[bronze pike]

then wonder why they do no damage and do no threat

surely its cause

vdh is bugged

shirly

[waxen oyster]

i barely see spb vdhs

this season

[bronze pike]

i mean

you can 100% play nospb this season

reaver allows it

[waxen oyster]

yeah i have

[bronze pike]

since the reaver combo results in soulcleave being uncapped

[waxen oyster]

but im still gcd capped

[royal lantern]

pulls 14 enemys->uses a ability that by itself can only hit 5 enemys->loses aggro 8sec into a pull when nobody is using a CD->WTF VENG IS SO BUGGED THEY HATE DH SO MUCH

[bronze pike]

next season spb is completely phased out even in felscarred, only press to trigger felf art and thats it

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

I pull big in priory to just funnel wounded quarry into minibosses

[bronze pike]

[waxen oyster]

ngl only time i lose threat

is when some rat fuck ret pala

pops wings

on gather

[bronze pike]

thats when you promote them to

active mitigation

[haughty flicker]

i dont play dps to wait for the tank to gather

i play dps to press buttons

gather faster nerd

[royal lantern]

mate, you cant blame them

if you play ret paladin (sorry for your brain damage), the second a 2nd enemy enters your field of vision, every single ability is automatically replaced by Divine Storm and Wake

not their fault

[waxen oyster]

i like dps who see the tank is clearly

nowhere near the pack

and still pops

anytime i play havoc if i go in early

finger instantly ready on meld

[haughty flicker]

just only play classes with misdirect

and hit packs whenever you want

even hit shit the tank hasnt pulled

no consequences

ez

[waxen oyster]

havoc is weird in that sense

sometimes you gotta go early if felscarred

or you lose multiple surges

[bronze pike]

vexie btw

im 664

my cotank is 670

prot warrior

not bad tho

i can dig up even worse cotanks

[waxen oyster]

i saw a pug brew

with like 20 kills each boss

top dps was 200k on some

[stark matrix]

Bro his healers must’ve hated him

[royal lantern]

tbf, you kinda have to rememeber that raid tanks are often the "we put them on tank cus its hard to screw up, otherwhise they would not see a raid from the inside" role

[bronze pike]

its all pugs

but ya i getcha

[royal lantern]

well, i dont pug

god bless

would quit the game then

[stark matrix]

TFW you get clowned on by a raid group because you care about performing well as a tank

[bronze pike]

ah

i classic

one of my older ones this raid season

[haughty flicker]

based boomkin

[waxen oyster]

oh wait

[normal mist]

BASICALLY YELLOW

[bronze pike]

whipsy

i got this in heroic

is it good?

[strange tundra]

@runic hinge

https://tenor.com/view/zaza-zazacat-zaza-cat-gif-cat-pipson-gif-14155918828812163652

[runic hinge]

Hello

[strange tundra]

Take a hit

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[strange tundra]

Fadëd

[waxen oyster]

isnt it just a worse pacemaker

[ripe sphinx]

id run it for the swag

[rotund oak]

are u srs now?

coz if u are i might have to be rude

[rotund oak]

used to be a crazy one fam

now highly doubt

[worthy rose]

alot of the timewalking trinkets are kinda susge they sound good in theory but are kinda meh

the spark of hope was one of the hmmm ones for casters too from ulduar

[stark matrix]

kira is a dh boi

always been his best tank

[radiant yoke]

Where do I find information on how many ruptures/garrotes I should be applying in large pulls with the bleed build.... Like when is it better to stop at 5 ruptures and switch to envenoms vs maintaining 8or 9 bleeds

[balmy condor]

during carnage until all the notable targets have rupture

otherwise just for energy/scent

[radiant yoke]

Sooo, typically at the start of a dungeon on the biggest pull you would still cast like 3 ruptures for 9 bleeds

Or even more

[balmy condor]

would be hard to get more

[radiant yoke]

Why is CT used in St?

[balmy condor]

cause it's better than an envenom

[radiant yoke]

Interesting

[balmy condor]

turns out when you ignore all the poison talents and all the envenom talents

envenom kinda sucks

[radiant yoke]

Yea I only just learned that after doing 100 keys

[balmy condor]

no amp poison, no double poison

no dashing

no poison bomb

no kingsbane to ramp

[radiant yoke]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[main bridge]

does this mean you should play sometihng else in rookery even if it's not a 17?

[balmy condor]

rookery is a very boss heavy key

[main bridge]

yeah

[balmy condor]

so it's pretty common to swap after second boss

or just not play bleed

[worn geyser]

are u able to swap to fi/cleave if u zone out or only change spec

[junior axle]

so i see that stat priority for assasination rogue is crit mastery, but why does raidbots keep wanting me to get more haste, even though a lot of the top ass rogues have way more crit than me

[balmy condor]

if you zone out you can change whatever you want

[balmy condor]

we don't have bad stats

raidbots suggests vers for some people

just be like that

[worn geyser]

dope that makes it easy then, barely miss timed 19 a bleed cause boss damage on last boss was abysmal and barely got extra round

[junior axle]

oh it isn't like outlaw where mastery = bad

[balmy condor]

nop

crit/mast just generally is better

but it's not like you want to avoid haste or vers

they're fine

changes with build as well

bleed will want more haste generally

single target wants more haste

etc

[worn geyser]

bleed has been piping tho idk why everyone swapped to fi/cleave for higher keys outside of like rookery/top my prio is still crazy

[balmy condor]

be like that

r1 io does it

so I must

m+ community in a nutshell

[worn geyser]

ye ig 21 is diff by a decent amount than 19s but yeah

thats like 90 people in the world

lmao

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not even just a rogue thing

arcane mage is meta very specifically for how much prio it does, it's not like the other specs are bad or whatever

but you'll see +12 LFG's that will kick mages for not playing arcane

it's just a culture thing in m+ to copy paste whatever the top 10-20 are doing

[earnest remnant]

only thing they should copy paste is their job applications to Mcd

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean

no bitches?

you need a rookery for your 20 resil? Okay man lets get you outside for an hour

[haughty flicker]

outside is scary tho

and its too fucking hot

so nty

[main bridge]

even my dog was lagging behind on our walk today

and he loves walks!

every time i said let's go home he started walking faster

[rotund oak]

uve tagged me for a video thats 7 days into ptr and u use the ''experty fallacy'' to validate a 7day ptr list

think im done with this one

[stark matrix]

No

no no no lol

I didn't use the video to validate a "ptr list" I used it for what was said in regards to warrior mob control

And one of you clowns said I use bad faith arguments lmao

you didn't even read what I had said when it was posted

[rotund oak]

the video doesnt even provide enough to deterministically say it is dude

idc what he is,just stop tagging me with things that dont matter

[stark matrix]

so because you've been presented with someone else (particularly one of the best tanks in the game) echoing a sentiment you don't care anymore

[rotund oak]

the fact that u circulate ur reasoning based on BS is actually breathtaking

[stark matrix]

what bs?

lmao

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-youre-breathtaking-gif-14325694

[stark matrix]

You could just actually attack the position

[balmy condor]

can both of you shut up

it's a rogue discord who gives a damn about what tank is good on ptr

[stark matrix]

the argument has essentially 0 to do with PTR

[balmy condor]

and I couldn't really care about that either

if you wanna scream at each other go do it in dms

[rotund oak]

leave keanu out of this

lul

[stark matrix]

wouldn't be worth it anyways, it would just be more misrepresentation of the statements and attempts at dismissing the positions without actually arguing against them

[balmy condor]

that's cool

[rotund oak]

sry was ragebait,should have known better

[bronze pike]

man if i knew this was rage bait i wouldnt have added fuel to this fire

my bad everyone involved

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitties-kitten-meme-gif-7515526262383717306

[stark matrix]

genuinely isn't

[ebon prism]

Is sin rogue rotation pretty much the same as last season? Or any major diffs?

[balmy condor]

basically 0 changes

[rotund oak]

[lethal arrow]

Tank opinions in 2025? Wtf

[bronze pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

[zealous moth]

hello fellow ass players

i have a weird question

i've seen a couple rogues on wclogs with crafted Crit/haste gear

like 4 crafted pieces with no mastery at all

[balmy condor]

haste is a good stat

[zealous moth]

is there a reason for that? like M HoC being enough mastery for the burst windows?

[balmy condor]

sims higher

[zealous moth]

interesting

kinda makes sense tho

[balmy condor]

assa has no bad stats

[zealous moth]

my thought was, after the buffs to ambush / mutilate, high haste could help keep energy up outside of KB or DM

just wanted to check if that was the case

[zealous moth]

yup

thanks whis

[balmy condor]

that is not the case

all stats are vers gameplay wise, sometimes one version of vers is simply better than the other vers

[waxen oyster]

I find it hilarious how much community hates on vers yet glazes mastery.

Which both kind of do the same thing.

[runic hinge]

mastery just feels cooler cause it's "unique" to the spec

[waxen oyster]

explain haste then

[haughty flicker]

lower gcd for most specs in the game

energy specs just cope about energy regen

or are outlul

[waxen oyster]

my energy slow as assa

surely a haste issue

[runic hinge]

Yeah haste feels good for non-gcd locked specs

[grim jay]

Haste is just a placebo stat some rogues glaze

Whatever floats their boat honestly

[zenith elm]

Good mornings fellow rogues

[grim jay]

GM

[grim jay]

Thats probably how it is for most specs ig? With haste potentially even having the most tangible effect on some

[gloomy heart]

[grim jay]

I think the last time I actually enjoyed a stat was multistrike

And that was only because of a few interactions somewhere

[spare kayak]

I enjoy crit on assa when its higher than 50%,nom nom

[balmy condor]

what about 49%

[zenith elm]

49 shit

51? Good

[spare kayak]

49 too low, sorry.

But I also enjoyed haste once in nyalotha tier I think we had 118 with corruption and we played crimson tempest on st as well

[grim jay]

Holy shit

Multistrike was NINE YEARS ago?

[spare kayak]

Give or take

[zenith elm]

Time to feel old gentlemen

How old is WOTLK?!

[iron carbon]

17 years

[jade abyss]

Multistrike <3

[rotund oak]

Resilience ❤️

[buoyant herald]

Multistrike was just crit in another colour but so much more satisfying

[jade abyss]

I was playing dk to this time and ms was awesome i like that some trinkets was able to multistrike aswell

But i regret that i wasnt play rogue to this time bcs that broken trinket from citadel forget his name

Soul whatever

[quiet oar]

Yes

[ashen pecan]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[ashen pecan]

!rookery

dang

[buoyant herald]

What are you trying to find out

[ashen pecan]

I want to know the variation recommended for rook

from 13-14 i feel i need to swap cuz bleeds feels so meh in bosses

[buoyant herald]

The build that does more boss damage is also listed on wowhead guide

But it might struggle for aoe in that size keys because trash dies fast

[ashen pecan]

yeah, i will run it only in rook

at least at that range

[buoyant herald]

Tbh at that range neither your aoe or boss damage “matters”

You only deplete by dying

So you can play what feels better

[ashen pecan]

i mean yeah

buuuut

i would love to give it a run

wanna learn how to pilot every build

[buoyant herald]

Fair

[broken nymph]

There is less oportunity to die if the thing you are killing dies faster.

[buoyant herald]

Someone else can do the damage then :p

[hearty seal]

still find it ridiculous how energy sometimes directly clashes with 1 second GCD on rogue
like what's the point then, so that your opener can be fast but not your general gameplay? and now even your AoE is fast, it's only ST like 30 seconds in that feels the slowdown
just a weird piece of design

[rotund oak]

''20%+ haste to function on adr windows'' pirate pov

[grim jay]

Gcd can only ever clash with energy regen if you have too much energy and cant spend enough.

[frigid wing]

getting back into rogue, played in s1 does it still play the same in s2?

[grim jay]

Not having enough to fill every gcd isnt clashing, its a design choice so that resources actually exist

[hearty seal]

except they don't because you still just slam outside of super minor optimizations

which means that functionally you just have a higher GCD

[balmy condor]

except no you don't, because during cooldowns you have more energy

[earnest remnant]

Roller coaster class

[hearty seal]

yes, which is just bringing that GCD down for the duration, in essence

[balmy condor]

correct, it adds pace changes during those moments, which is the idea

that is how most resources in most games work in fact

mage no mana = no cast for that turn

[subtle tundra]

whispyrar

[balmy condor]

is kinda like the basis of rpg's

[hearty seal]

most resources these days are more of an active gameplay loop to fill and spend rather than just wait for them to fill, with CDs often filling the role of "just wait to use this again" instead

in gaming in general, that is

[balmy condor]

that is one version of the loop yes

this is another

[normal mist]

Basically yes

Very little changed

[golden loom]

was dead for 40 seconds and lost all my kezan stacks.. what could've been

got completely nuked by the intermission adds cause they didnt get cc'd

[final star]

you could've blinded them

[golden loom]

yeah true..

I am like 3rd in the cc rotation but idk first stun never went off

[final star]

only ever needed one ngl

[golden loom]

exactly

so I've never had to blind

[hearty seal]

actually does anyone use gouge instead of Blind+
outside of like
pvp

[austere radish]

gouge ? never heard of it 🙂

[modest ginkgo]

during mythic gallywix, this is at 3min mark- 2nd use of deathmark after 3rd dunk with bunch of adds up.
Why is mutilate used instead of fan of knives during kingsbane window?

[grim jay]

Whose log is it anyways

Just someone high on the ranking?

Odds are they either favor the ST or they dont know better

[rotund oak]

chicken shawarma x2,cold beer

[grim jay]

Because top logs =/= knowing everything or doing everything right

[rotund oak]

logs => memes

every single one

[modest ginkgo]

its a random high ranking logs

[grim jay]

Shush, heathen, you shall not hinder my proudness of numbers given by the gods.

[modest ginkgo]

but every assa rogues on gally does the same. mutilate over fof

im comparing logs with my trial and hes using fof during that window and somehow caustic spatter damage is almost double

[rotund oak]

generally,from what im getting all these years,from highranked logs they just proc/get externals/get insanely lucky or not do mechanics

[grim jay]

Maybe they got told not to pad

[modest ginkgo]

so fok is the right play?

[grim jay]

Well fok means more envenoms, which mean more caustic

I personally would say yes, if it also is in line with the builder rules depending on your position. (fok on 5+)

[normal mist]

The more one fok'es

The happier he is

[grim jay]

Some people think mutilating is insanely better for kb aswell

[grim jay]

Based

Thats why I like ctw

[maiden sierra]

The main reason is VV

Mutilate does more damage on 5 targets

There used to be a pin about this in the past

[spice surge]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[red schooner]

!FoK

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[red schooner]

Shit

[maiden sierra]

4+ targets, i was off by 1

[maiden sierra]

Nvm i should not quesgion myself

[grim jay]

Which is exactly in line with what I wrote tho

[maiden sierra]

And learn to read

[grim jay]

I wrote 5+ fok, which should be the case depending on positioning on the add spawns

[golden loom]

yeah at the end of the day you just press a builder there and either one should be fine

[final star]

nice I had 2 chicken skewers and 4 spring rolls lmao

[maiden sierra]

I want to be home...

[red schooner]

Same

Sat here in the office when I'd rather be at home with the cat

[rotund oak]

im under an air condition,just ate,im not moving for about an hour

42C rn

[golden loom]

Entire Europe has had infernal heat during June,
Meanwhile my town in Finland:

[red schooner]

18c, glorious

[golden loom]

my vacation begins on friday though, lets fucking go

[maiden sierra]

I agree and disagree.
Man do i love chillin at home with my cat, but man do i also hate chillin with my cat at home

Hes lovely, but man isint he annoying at times and my cat alergy is making it difficult to deal with his clingyness.

[golden loom]

idk like we already have 8ish months of darkness so I like my summers to be sunny and not rainy 😄

[iron carbon]

We just killed Gally yesterday, 100 pulls straight, less than Sprocket and Mug'zee

[golden loom]

gz!

[iron carbon]

Thanks

First CE btw

[red schooner]

Congrats!

[rotund oak]

huge gz fam

[rotund oak]

im trapped into a greek body,im rly a scandinavian at soul

lul

i hate summer

[iron carbon]

37° last week

I fucking hate it

[rotund oak]

its rly the most disgusting feeling

right now u cant do anything,its freaking hot

[maiden sierra]

Imagine living in a warm country

[zenith elm]

couldnt be me

[night cipher]

All gucci

[zenith elm]

20 degrees here, i'm actually in warm pijamas

[spare kayak]

Thankfully I'm by the pool the entire week

[maiden sierra]

Non alcoholic bread water

[hallow glade]

What’s even the point

[spare kayak]

I need to move somewhere its around 15-18 degrees in the summer. Hate the heat

[royal lantern]

hello by the pool the entire week

[red schooner]

[royal lantern]

[tall dust]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[quiet oar]

Quake would be proud

[spare kayak]

I appreciate the dad joke

[red schooner]

Don't encourage him

[quiet oar]

You my friend

are the last one to speak up about this

[normal mist]

[quiet oar]

Speaking of dads

[red schooner]

I'm mostly well behaved when it comes to dad jokes

Mostly

[spare kayak]

Nice to meet you, mostly well behaved when it comes to dad jokes

[red schooner]

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

I’m not

[quiet oar]

Quake

Have you clicked on my Tag

[spice spire]

Hello

I’ve not

[rotund oak]

u are missing out on important visuals

[spring briar]

assa spec discussion is the new off topic?

[spice spire]

Always has been

[waxen oyster]

What you want the 20th person pretending secondaries matter?

or “why is my energy as the slow spec, slow”

[spice spire]

20 seems low

[waxen oyster]

In an hour

Someone ping whispyr if echoing void got fixed

[spice spire]

[rotund oak]

are u insane

u will get nuked

[dense cedar]

Guys, my energy regens too quickly in ST, should I let my bleeds fall off so I can keep up with it?

New line of sin discussion

[indigo mulch]

[dense cedar]

really makes you think

[normal mist]

🎣

[onyx scroll]

If we start that up sin discussion will start to be a mental health channel right after

[dense cedar]

we could really do some good

[onyx scroll]

Maybe we’ll get some good changes to the class tree this week and we’ll all have great discussions until launch

[rotund oak]

the mental health asylum is in the pirate channel

only normal ppl here

[quiet oar]

You mean the feet and furry people

[fallow canopy]

Damn, time to leave ig

[rotund oak]

feet idk

furry maybe

unless ppl hide their kinks

[coral ibex]

[main bridge]

[coral ibex]

[rotund oak]

[tropic jewel]

I‘ve heard rumors that Rogue will get some patchnoes on Patch 12.0 😀

[normal mist]

Yes

You heard right

Please share

[tropic jewel]

F.e. Splatter is now more visable. For splatter to work you Need to have all 3 dots active and maybe also u cannot Change your Target anymore when once Applied it sticks Till death - ambush from Canis doesnt count anymore… ah i Can See us bleeding ourselfs to death 😀

[zenith elm]

Noice

Can you make it any slower ?

I feel like its too fast for me

[shy axle]

ok, mut costs 120e now

energy back to 120 max

[tropic jewel]

Energy Regen cut in half

Have to wait 20 sec doing nothing to have Enough Energy for kb

[zenith elm]

Noice

[dense cedar]

finally the spec will be good

[zenith elm]

We cant be doomed if we dont do anything at all

[royal lantern]

all the yellow names leave

which is the biggest buff you can ask for

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-hutz-world-without-lawyers-gif-11914569

[zenith elm]

Yes

[worn geyser]

finally had a half decent night with new guild , only a few fights left to fix , also fuck richard reverb idk how ur supposed to parse orange without mega luck

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/tpb-trailer-park-boys-ricky-to-fuck-off-gif-19480783

This is what you have to do to your fellow raiders

So you can spatter the barrels

(and obviously time your cooldowns for the barrels)

[worn geyser]

ye, i kinda trolled that one my median on it is like 85 but feels so hard to break higher without paying my dev evoker and mages off

might try it low key it bothers me its not orange

[waxen oyster]

basically have to spatter barrels

[coral ibex]

a raid leader that has functioning brain cells will see you playing well on bosses that dont have rng cleave mechanics and be happy

like mugzee

[worn geyser]

true but my own monkey brain sees non orange parse so gotta fix

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ghosts-of-k-aresh-releases-august-5th-377658?utm_source=discord-webhook

[coral ibex]

i cba to improve these at this point

im happy

[waxen oyster]

wtfrick a week early

was calling 12th or 19th

[worn geyser]

im jealous of that sprocket parse damn

wtf august 5th

[waxen oyster]

stix is such a pita to orange on

[normal mist]

I cant complain, matches the start of my vacations

[waxen oyster]

vacations, NA moment what are those

no shot i'd use vacation time to play wow though

get help

[normal mist]

i have vacations once a year

[coral ibex]

it was removed from asp after my first kill and then we didn't reclear it for a while

so now i dont give a fuck about that fight at all

[normal mist]

its always during the month of august

[coral ibex]

i just brain off and do mechs

[normal mist]

i work in a factory, it closes during august

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i just find it unhinged when people use pto

to play wow

[worn geyser]

i finally had the god run, i played like a bot tho just got lucky af not getting ball till 5% boss hp

[normal mist]

oh couldnt be me

Altought i have a lot of baby stuff to worry about during august too

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean ideally you want either no ball

or 2nd ball

imo

[normal mist]

i gotta prepare everything

[waxen oyster]

You have no cds during 2nd ball so it isnt so bad to get.

execute range balls are, not good.

[worn geyser]

i mean i got ball at 5% so i got no ball

obv u run into boss

and skip that set

10% ball would be tragic tho

[waxen oyster]

get 5% ball and pick up hyenas and run into boss

for damage amped spatter

[worn geyser]

guys i lagged idk ball ran into boss my bad

[waxen oyster]

sprocket feels like you want a few deaths for optimal parse this late

just because you have dm coming up after 2nd giant voidbeam

which will not occur with everyone alive

[worn geyser]

just sprocket, oab and gally to realistically fix tho , sprocket is so hard since i didnt prog it and only have 2 pulls on it so dont wanna fuck up and be greedy

[waxen oyster]

oab you have to be really good by highroller uptime

[amber blaze]

how useless and inefective is fatal intent

[normal mist]

very

[amber blaze]

thats sad

4 % of overall

[waxen oyster]

its basically a bad inkpod

the talent it replaced on beta was better

[worn geyser]

tbh my worst section is always execute i play horrible then for some reason , always feels so sloppy and my uptime tanks

[waxen oyster]

It honestly feels like pre execute play matters much less.

Than what you do during the dm set below 35

[worn geyser]

yeah, its def less important

[waxen oyster]

double tank death on sprocket kill that could have been orange

is kinda annoying

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-season-3-arrives-on-august-5th-same-day-as-patch-11-2-377660?utm_source=discord-webhook

[waxen oyster]

Sounds like best vault is spamming delves then

even if no bountiful or key you should still get credit for a hero piece

[zenith elm]

Heroic or mythic ?

Cause i have a strat for ya

[worn geyser]

mythic

[zenith elm]

So i dont have strat

I just send my CD on adds

And it does a shitload of splatter

[worn geyser]

i mean i have my cds timed up with the add spawns, but u arent like hard swapping right, u just hit richard and spatter them right

i think my group just obliterates them ngl

[waxen oyster]

I mean all you do on richard really is delay your opener slightly

and hope people dont steal your barrel damage

[zenith elm]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

That's how I feel on m gally too

[zenith elm]

You just do your CD when he slams his rod in the ground

[waxen oyster]

can we kill our devoker's internet

for one night to kill gally

ty

[worn geyser]

lmao

[zenith elm]

Devoker is just slurping up the parses

😝😝😝😝

[waxen oyster]

just tricks them

[zenith elm]

Thats how i see them

[waxen oyster]

i tricks ret pallys when i do vault keys

real and based

[worn geyser]

i intentionally do not kick casts aimed at boomkins

[zenith elm]

I do the same on DK

But they cant die

[worn geyser]

i pray on their downfall everyday

[zenith elm]

I have a FDK

Dont pray too hard pls

I need it in case the RL doesnt want me on ass rogue for some bosses

[golden loom]

one day I will get a clean gally... (we also 4 heal sprocket and kill it at such an awkward time...)

[coral ibex]

this guy had to flex his pink rank on me...

[golden loom]

I only did it cause last time I checked I was 53 and you were 52

[coral ibex]

you mfer

im so checked out during reclears rn lol

[zenith elm]

I really need to hit mythic bosses earlier if i want to parses

[coral ibex]

[worn geyser]

dam

[humble verge]

happi mondei

[golden loom]

its also just written in the stars that boss will never die on a good pull

[humble verge]

gay nooj, more like gay noob

[golden loom]

like I can legit tell everytime its a kill pull cause something goes wrong..

[zenith elm]

Hellooo ! 😍❤️

[humble verge]

i dont think weve ever had a good reclear

[zenith elm]

Same

I need more good pulls

My best parses are a 30 on mug cause i need to hold DPS

[golden loom]

guess who got frost boots...

[red schooner]

was it me?

[golden loom]

yes!

[red schooner]

Damn

[zenith elm]

Not waiting after frost boots to send is diabolical

You're setting yourself up

[golden loom]

I even held for a few seconds before sending

[worn geyser]

my guild finally did the no hold strat and i 98, it is sooo much better than holding

[golden loom]

yeah mugzee is by far the best fight in the raid

[worn geyser]

the phase 2 dam man

execute go brr

[zenith elm]

No hold strat is amazing i wanna try it

[humble verge]

well, my guild wont cause of heal cds

[golden loom]

what do you need healer cds for

you just root the final mineset

no damage taken, boom bam boss dead

[humble verge]

ask my officers dawg

[golden loom]

[worn geyser]

our guild wouldnt do it for a while cause if ur group is low dps slightly it is hard, we almost wiped that pull we barely killed when mines got unrooted snd were running at us

plus people just wanna reclear and dont care about parsing etc

[echo island]

Why are you rank 33 all stars and i am 42 with this:

Weird system

[fresh kelp]

they're based on current rankings not parse %

[echo island]

Aaah

[fresh kelp]

your sprocket says 100 but you're currently rank 23 in reality, which is what counts for asp

[echo island]

I see i see

so there is a time-based factor in there as well, didnt know. Thanks 😄

[fresh kelp]

still a nice pretty gold number there though

[humble verge]

we pretty much could pretty much almost intermission before next jail sets

but gotta hold

[worn geyser]

unlucky

pay ur mage to lust on pull a few times by ‘accident’

[craggy basin]

sims are super close but im torn on how to spend my last dinar. HoC ( already got myth priory) , myth ISP ( prob vault right after i buy it -_-), or just say F it and get myth fist for outlaw lol. any thoughts?

[coral ibex]

what is your other trinket

[craggy basin]

heroic ISP

or myth keys

[coral ibex]

i think assa rogues should go into next season with hoc and signet since you might not get better trinkets for a bit and fatebound is a 90s spec with the new tier

[craggy basin]

keys sims higher but i dont liek double on use as sin

[coral ibex]

and having signet for ds and hoc for fb sounds good to me

[craggy basin]

nice advice

[coral ibex]

idk maybe try to get a magnet off stix

its pretty good

its not very desirable overall

but its good for assa

[craggy basin]

yea got reclear tomorrow i guess ill just wait and see what i pull from vault first

[umbral sigil]

I stopped playing for like 2 months, are notes out for season 3 yet?

[main bridge]

there are PTR patch notes and some stuff about the raid and dungeon pool

[eager condor]

Ass still looking good for next season or other specs creeping up? havent been paying attention rogue got shelved for war temp for CE

[balmy condor]

As per usual, asking about balance before a patch is out is entirely pointless

[eager condor]

fair, but the vibes

[main bridge]

you might as well make something up

[balmy condor]

The vibes in terms of what

[eager condor]

Spec flow item alignment etc

[balmy condor]

The same as season 2

[eager condor]

hmm ok that works

[haughty flicker]

what about the vibes of where i'll be on details

[bright charm]

the vibes tell me Dimensius will be 1 shot by Kingsbane trust me

[eager condor]

halflife 3 confirmed

[balmy condor]

Every season has 2 min trinkets and 1:30 min trinkets, we want both depending on if fatebound is playable

Signet and pacemaker are still in the pool

[main bridge]

healer damage vibes

[eager condor]

aye, HOC being 130 was sadge, fatebound is interesting..

[balmy condor]

Identical to this season for all purposes

[eager condor]

thats a good point

[balmy condor]

What’s sad about Hoc being 1:30

[main bridge]

fatebound chads rise up

[eager condor]

letting it sit for 30s before ripping the next mark

feelsbadman

[balmy condor]

Yeh I guess

[eager condor]

it just sits there..mocking you

[waxen oyster]

You just macro it to dm

and forget it exists

[eager condor]

lol aye, sadly..i for some reason keep it on a bar so it can mock me

Im just hoping outlaw doesnt take over, my old man hands cant handle that shit

[vagrant cradle]

I heard somewhere that all the rogues spec are perform pretty bad numbers wise right now. Is that true? (Still time before next season I know)

[humble verge]

its a month and a week until the patch drops

dont worry

we'll get buffed eventually

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fallow canopy]

But the vibes? What does it mean?

[weary stump]

We'll pickpocket the DPS difference from hunters and demon hunters

[balmy condor]

what if the vibes are the friends we raid with

[umbral sigil]

Friends? You mean competition for shittest player in guild

[vagrant cradle]

So it is true haha 😄

[main bridge]

are these vibes in the room with us now?

yeah if it's on the internet it must be true

[humble verge]

I DONT HAVE FRIENDS, THEY ARE MERELY "RAID-COWORKERS"

[balmy condor]

rogue being bad for a patch that isn't out for another month

you cannot be serious

[waxen oyster]

You're still in for atrophic poison.

If there's two rogues simply be the better rogue.

[humble verge]

nah

[waxen oyster]

[humble verge]

theres like

so many better options than just athropic

you could run another dragon

[mighty vine]

ye i love being token rogue, just bring vibes

[waxen oyster]

more dragons sounds like more terrorism incidents.

[humble verge]

whar

[waxen oyster]

"I misclicked hover"

When raid go kaboom

[eager condor]

This

[humble verge]

this this tbh

[umbral sigil]

I think I'm using distract too much in my opener

[humble verge]

🤨

[balmy condor]

yeah true same real

[humble verge]

like where tho

[balmy condor]

I keep spamming detection but my dps stays the same

it's weird

[humble verge]

no bosses are affected by distract this tier

[vale shore]

any word on Shadowheart, yet?

[balmy condor]

terrible romance option

[vale shore]

I can fix her!

[haughty flicker]

wtf

shes no karlach but not terrible

[vale shore]

we up her leech by 1000% and make it last for 6 seconds after breaking stealth!

[plucky stream]

someone go look at shindig

he has a 99 on mythic clear lmao

[haughty flicker]

im proud of him

[umbral sigil]

Prolly used more distracts than me

[haughty flicker]

i guess

[plucky stream]

idek how u do that

diabolical

[waxen oyster]

99 overall or

[plucky stream]

nvm I lied

hes 98

[vale shore]

garbage

[plucky stream]

https://gyazo.com/73492ec542e67dd4dc3e7e8fbe23ccfb

[humble verge]

gyazo

in 2025

😭

[waxen oyster]

That's 98

scammed

[vale shore]

in the secret world of illegal underground rogues, you are either 99, or garbage waiting to be taken out!

[waxen oyster]

surprised hes only 103 allstars

with a 98

[umbral sigil]

Stix Bunkjunker is what they called me in highschool

[plucky stream]

he still r1 rogue in m+

which is all he rlly does these days

[waxen oyster]

r1 m+

[maiden sierra]

raid parses this late into the season are soo cooked

[waxen oyster]

Also aren't all the big rogue players playing dk rn

well casual is

[plucky stream]

I mean most ppl class switch

that are rlly good

[haughty flicker]

hes also not r1, zac is

but r2

[maiden sierra]

im not a big rogue but dk alt is bussin frfr

[haughty flicker]

still better than i'll ever do

[waxen oyster]

nah he said hes in jail

look at his posts in #outlaw

[vale shore]

rogue jail?

[waxen oyster]

dk jail

[vale shore]

oh, their jail floats in the sky

[haughty flicker]

dk jail oh no

[waxen oyster]

yeah dks are immortal

[haughty flicker]

i have to play a busted spec that can literally never die oh no

[waxen oyster]

cant blame him

[vale shore]

rogue jail is just the basement at Ravenholdt

[plucky stream]

its fine

dks are bricked in season 3

anyways

[waxen oyster]

cope

[umbral sigil]

Rogue jail is outside in a field of grass

[maiden sierra]

frost dk next patch looks soo good

[vale shore]

that's cow jail

[plucky stream]

they gutted unholy

[waxen oyster]

dks are professional victims

[plucky stream]

frost doesnt even look that great either

they fucked it too

[maiden sierra]

what???

[plucky stream]

gonna be mid

but will be the spec to play as dk

[maiden sierra]

brother every frost main is loving the changes

[plucky stream]

prob be an a tier spec

[vale shore]

its going to be a tear spec

[plucky stream]

ofc they are

[vale shore]

from all the crying...

[plucky stream]

cause its ass rn

but the changes they made aint making it no s tier class like unh was

its mid

[waxen oyster]

Yeah because unholy was literally broken

[plucky stream]

we gone ignore arcane mage

and boomy

[waxen oyster]

dt then vamp strike x10

[maiden sierra]

i feel like bro is rage baiting

[plucky stream]

until we get no blood beasts

[haughty flicker]

and as we know if your spec isnt s tier its completely gutted and unplayable

[waxen oyster]

dks be like

[worn geyser]

i hope they do less damage than surv

[waxen oyster]

"i do the damage other specs do when im unlucky"

[vale shore]

less damage than aug

[runic hinge]

So true bestie

[plucky stream]

nah on like 16s if u dont get blood beast other classes are beating u out

[balmy condor]

98 mythic gets glazed

at least glaze the guy for the io or somethin

[haughty flicker]

glaze him for his winning personality

[waxen oyster]

Well he was 3rd allstars nerubar

[haughty flicker]

(ive never watched him idk how his personality is)

[balmy condor]

that's way more impressive

[plucky stream]

Im glazing him cause he basically came from nothing in season 1 start

[vale shore]

transmog is the only performance stat that matters in raids these days, and rogues got everyone beat there

[plucky stream]

to r2 rogue rn

[worn geyser]

i wouldnt say nothing considering he raided in very good classic guilds b4 that

[balmy condor]

he was really high ranked in classic

like top end

idk if he came from "nothing"

[plucky stream]

ya but tbf raids in classic are different then raids today

raids in classic were pretty uh...

brain dead

but still crazy to be in sum top tier like he was

pretty sure he was raid leading too

[balmy condor]

he went from super high end classic to a world rank 300 guild

not really rags to riches

[main bridge]

wow high end on classic!!! that must be hard

[balmy condor]

those mfers take that shit seriously

[haughty flicker]

considering how sweaty wow players are

yeah actually

it is pretty impressive

[plucky stream]

Im pretty sure he was a raid leader which is impressive

[worn geyser]

bro my classic rogue friend linked me their like 30 page powerpoint they r a different breed man

[plucky stream]

making call outs

30 page power point on what??? most those ~~dungeons ~~raids have literally 0 mechs hahaha

[worn geyser]

for speed running one of the raids idk

had all their plans for prep etc

[balmy condor]

I mean speed running and parsing

are very in depth

[sick vale]

Are we using crimson tempest on ST as bleed build?

[balmy condor]

yes

[worn geyser]

yes

[haughty flicker]

yes

[pliant remnant]

yes

[umbral sigil]

No

im being contrarion

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[umbral sigil]

Ok guys i actually need help what second job do I give Alfyn if H;aanit is my warrior until i get warmaster in octopath traveler

[humble ginkgo]

have we gotten any changes since ptr release

[haughty flicker]

yes

a very big one in fact

[humble ginkgo]

which one

[haughty flicker]

one button rotation now selects better poisons

[humble ginkgo]

i havent been keeping up with ptr patch notes

oh awesome!

[safe bronze]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

does anyone remember

which uh

undermine rep you need exalted with for that black coat?

[red schooner]

Darkfuse

[humble verge]

ty goat

wait

how do i get their rep

am i stupid

oh i forgot

thats the rep u gotta gigagrind for

[main bridge]

yes

find a group in group finder

[ember mural]

wait for next with with rep buff starting again

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-winds-of-mysterious-fortune-return-july-15-august-12th-377661?utm_source=discord-webhook

[main bridge]

ooh yeah good idea

hell yeah the satchel/xp buff again

love that

[haughty flicker]

you can grind now just dont turn in the items until the event

[runic hinge]

No time to grind. Need to get mounts

[rotund oak]

gonna try to do them 15s on my rogue now

season almost over,ppl are desperate

xd

[worn geyser]

phys comp keys want rogues, we’re basically the arcane mage of that comp, its not so bad to get in groups tbh

[rotund oak]

its very bad but idc

ill que my keys anyway

got couple of weeks

[harsh anchor]

Just grind 9 hours and you have your trench coat. It’s not that long of a grind.

[main bridge]

sounds super fun

[nimble tartan]

chat is there catchup for the belt ilevel

[ocean quiver]

There's no catchup

because you just do the quests

:)

[nimble tartan]

[ocean quiver]

take the quest, turn it in, get the next one repeat

ezpz

just got these two bad boys

Question: Authority of the depths sims higher for me in ST, but in AOE it sims Oathsworn's Tenacity, is it worth doing one of each? I don't want to pay 2k every-time I do raid and then do m+

(Currently using radiant power)

(can send sims if anyone needs it)

[worn geyser]

if u want an in between u can just use radiant

not like it matters theyre negligible dps

[ocean quiver]

Yeah using radiant power atm

[fallow canopy]

its 2k dps

[ocean quiver]

more than 2k for me apparently

13k in aoe

6k in st

[fallow canopy]

still nothing

when we do millions

[main bridge]

i think it's easier to reason about dps when you use relative percentages

[ocean quiver]

forgot about that

0.3% increase

st

same for aoe

[fallow canopy]

barely margin of error

[ocean quiver]

but yeha will just keep radiant then

[worn geyser]

i just use radiant for both

[humble verge]

wait wtf

this shit is a ground mount

[main bridge]

owned

[haughty flicker]

yeah get fucked

[humble verge]

i didnt buy it lol

[haughty flicker]

wow needs to go the ffxiv route

and just have everything fly

[humble verge]

^

[haughty flicker]

let me have my flying tiger mount

[main bridge]

they did make a lot of stuff fly that previously didn't

[humble verge]

wait

[main bridge]

not sure they they still make ground only mounts

[humble verge]

is swift spectral

flying?

or just ground

[haughty flicker]

idk

probably just ground

i seem to remember something about a chinese version that flew or something

[worn geyser]

the wow shop knockoff spectral tiger flies

[crimson dome]

Hey, I came here after watching a youtube video and he mentioned his weak auras. I cant seem to find them. Any help?

[worn geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[humble verge]

leech wrists

not bad ig

[haughty flicker]

tales of the quenching the fires of the burning legion

wtf blozard

[humble verge]

still need to fix this guy up

need 1 10/12 before wednesday

[ocean quiver]

gold can go a long way

https://tenor.com/view/sewer-jew-sewer-jew-new-york-meme-gif-17337303977547999066

rogue vault we made it boys

[main bridge]

wow only a tier 1 delve

not a mole person

[ocean quiver]

lmao yeah

I did 1 t11 delve

and it was poo

did it fine but

cba + wasn't boundful so wasted my time

not doing it again

[humble verge]

ive got a mil

on my mai nrogue

but like

id rather just do 1 key

[worn geyser]

why did they hype up overcharged delves when the delves are exactly the same difficulty overcharged or not

[humble verge]

no idea

free belt

[ocean quiver]

real but

just buy a m10 boost ezpz

[humble verge]

well

lemme just check dat shit

[crimson dome]

Anyone know where to find Shindigg's weak auras?

[worn geyser]

i would check his discord

[normal mist]

or just ask him here

he could redirect you

[humble verge]

actually

[crimson dome]

damn Im a moron. it brought me here. I see it now, thanks

[normal mist]

let me see if i can find him

i can't

https://tenor.com/view/wink-cute-kid-heart-anime-gif-15546572

[coral ibex]

p sure he just uses the whispyr pack no?

[worn geyser]

i think theyre similar but his plater for sure is diff hes got a whole page for his wa and macros in his discord

i only know cause i stole his plater before i swapped to atrocity since his looked pretty good for m+

[iron carbon]

You motivated fella

[ocean quiver]

huh

[iron carbon]

It's been 4 weeks I don't fill my vault

cba

[ocean quiver]

oh lmao

Yeah my rogue is really behind so

trying to catch up before next season

[iron carbon]

Sure

[worn geyser]

are those champ track gloves

tragic

[iron carbon]

And legs

[ocean quiver]

everything is hero now

besides the myth items obv

[iron carbon]

LAcking of crest?

[ocean quiver]

Yeah

[worn geyser]

o just crests then nice

[ocean quiver]

think I calculated 12 dungeons

this week

so like 10 more I think atm

[iron carbon]

Got nothing to get

[ocean quiver]

maybe more or less now that I just had to spend 40 crests on my myth weapon I just got

[ocean quiver]

holy moly

[balmy condor]

He uses my wa pack

[iron carbon]

Maybe a head but this one give leech

[crimson dome]

Using it now Whispyr. Looks good

[ocean quiver]

have you been playing rogue all szn

[iron carbon]

Y

I barely play any other classes

[ocean quiver]

I've been alting like crazy

and started my rogue late

[iron carbon]

kekw

That's a lot of char