assassination

[half tartan]

Quick question, why are people not playing more fatebound?

100 percent deathstalker top 100 logs

[coral ibex]

do you want to do your opener and not proc your capstone?

[runic hinge]

Because it can lowroll and feels bad to play a lot of the time

[coral ibex]

[hidden bay]

do you like to shove nails under your fingernail?

[half tartan]

sorry for asking ill go to my corner

[hidden bay]

fatebound is just useless currently

sadly

pure single target bosses is ok

(in upcoming tier)

in current tier not recommended due to RNG on capstone in opener

in new tier with set bonus you have it gauranteed

[nova kelp]

even on pure single target it's THEORHETICALLY ok, but in practice still kinda sucks

[main bridge]

the wowhead guide says to garrote after ambush with deathstalker ST, but i don't remain in stealth after i ambush. what am i missing?

[nova kelp]

you don't have to be in stealth to garrote? ARE you missing something?

[main bridge]

ok, that is what i was missing

thanks

[hidden bay]

if you would play improved garrote then you could cast it 6 seconds after breaking stealth but we do not play it anymore

[nova kelp]

ah the ole MA talent set

I kinda miss all that energy

[hidden bay]

some people still sim higher with that build

(depending on gear ofc)

[nova kelp]

I sim higher

but it doesn't matter

it doesn't perform as well typically

maybe on a shorter fight because you get less sexecute time?

but also less cleave

so meh

and you have to deal with vanish options

[hidden bay]

correct

[nova kelp]

I should probably try playing the MA version on some fights now since they all evaporate in like 2 mins

but also I cba, farming is farming
our bigger problem is people not fucking around on mugzee

"where's that gaol going?"
"sorry I've never had the circle before"
"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN? ARE YOU A MYTHIC RAIDER OR WHAT?"

[ashen pecan]

Guys thinking way way in advance, if next patch we are using the boots fromt he raid. What should we craft ?

[nova kelp]

probably dagger/wrists? who the fuck knows at this point

[ashen pecan]

im prepping my rogue for next szn but i feel its kinda dumb to craft boots knowing they will be gone

[nova kelp]

also to be completely honest, every half way decent embelishment is a fucking dogfight for MAYBE 1% of your throughput

don't think about it that hard at all

just put 2 on and like

w/e

[main bridge]

i think you'll still be using them for a while because you have to get to that boss

[nova kelp]

MOST players don't have to craft perfectly otimised for the end game right off the rip
even most guilds floating just outside of HoF are safe to fuck around or optimise their gear FOR prog rather than just instantly crafting your eventual bis

seasons take a while

guys out there like "I can't take this upgrade because thats going to be my crafted slot"

just so that at the VERY END of the season their eventual gear set is 10k higher sim than if they just took the upgrade, crafted something else and progged better

"BUHT MAH BISSSSSSSSSSSSSS"

[ashen pecan]

yeah didnt thought it on that angle, i just do not wanna be running 1 embellish cuz of lack of sparks at the beginning

thx for imput tho

[main bridge]

embellishments are not really significant

[nova kelp]

assuming we end up running ascendance
it's probably by default your wrists since they're the lowest itemisation level

[ashen pecan]

i find enjoyment in optimizing as much as i can even tho if its not thaaat big of a deal idk

[nova kelp]

and it's not "no thaaat big"
it's nearly insignificant

you could probably drop them and still parse 80%+

imo embelishments should fucking crank

crafting in general should fucking crank

professions should crank

[worthy rose]

did u guys hear the stats

one button rotation beats like 75% of wow players

the game has evolved and left its playerbase behind

[humble verge]

yeah

its cause most of the playerbase

are straight fucking ass

its no wonder

[worthy rose]

isnt that a reflection of the game being too hard

you dont keep a game alive by catering to hardcores

you gotta make everyone nejoy it

and get new players

[humble verge]

no its a reflection that most people dont try hard enough

like

[worthy rose]

otherwise you end up like runescape

[humble verge]

reddit and wowhead comments

are just a bunch of pussies

[worthy rose]

yeah but

[humble verge]

that keep being mad

[worthy rose]

if the majroity of game is the majroity

it reflects on the game

[humble verge]

but the thing is

where are the stats from

the thing is

if it is better than those 75%

it means that either

a. they dont actually know what they are doing

[worthy rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA6gpdf4JuA

this dude made a fairly well thought out video

[normal mist]

To be fair, players that are beaten by 1BR aren't doing content where it matters.

[worthy rose]

he compares to heroic raiders

[humble verge]

b. they do not care enough to fucking learn how to do the rotation, or what to play

[worthy rose]

but what is "content that matters"

[normal mist]

Mythic raiding, 10+ I'd say

[worthy rose]

considering how piss easy 10s are

[humble verge]

if the rota assistant was better than people doing 10s and mythic raiders

per say

[worthy rose]

its shocking people cant clear them themselves

[humble verge]

4/8

[worthy rose]

and have to pay people like me for a boost in tradechat

[humble verge]

it'd be insane

[worthy rose]

its crazy

[normal mist]

Y'all taking turns sending messages

[worthy rose]

as it is currently the one button rotation is OP and insane for what it is trying to do

i can see why some people would complain about it

[normal mist]

I think it is fine

[worthy rose]

Yeah

Just keep it the way it is

[winged quail]

Nah if you are getting outperformed by a one button player you can’t be mad, it means you didn’t take the time to learn your class so there’s nothing to be mad about

[worthy rose]

It’ll improve the overall quality of the player base

[normal mist]

1BR isn't OP, people just never needed to actually learn how to play properly

[worthy rose]

Me and my friends tested obr actually

[normal mist]

Me too

[worthy rose]

Two of us dos using the obr and we boosted a carry on a 10

[normal mist]

It's amazing to literally afk

[worthy rose]

Easy clear

There’s no reason people need to pay for boosts really

I can eat with one hand and clear the dungeon with the other

It’s big brain efficiency

My burritos won’t eat themselves

[normal mist]

I shit you not

I was doing heroic clear earlier

We needed a tank and I said I'd do it, since my warrior has a shield and a sword

1br + actually pressing my cds

Ez

I don't know how to tank DPS rotation

I just pressed 1

[winged quail]

One button rotation is not much more complicated than most tank dps rotations tbf lol

[normal mist]

Instead of clicking 5/6 abilities

I pressed one

And didn't even have to think about procs

Just manually weaving my defensives

[humble verge]

but is the the addon

or the 1br that blizz added

[normal mist]

1br

[humble verge]

maybe ill use it while leveling up some alts

[normal mist]

It's REALLY chill

[humble verge]

actually considering making 1 char for every rogues spec rn

icl

[normal mist]

But you do have the gcd penalty

[humble verge]

since we're doing splits

[normal mist]

So you pressing abilities yourself is faster than 1br

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor why are you not streaming

😡

[humble verge]

why would he

[hidden bay]

tuesday reclear

[nova kelp]

unfortunately all this does is make me want to steer clear of hybrid classes completely
I hate the obligatory "tank?" "heal?" questions more than anything
1br has destroyed these classes for me lol - Just let me bang bro

[normal mist]

It was a pug

And I wanted to get it done

I also wanted to press my fury buttons 😛

[nova kelp]

there's no level of "want to get it done" that has me override my desire to bang anymore

once upon a time

now I'll just play something else lol

[normal mist]

Tbf we were basically a group of 4 "carrying" a friend

[nova kelp]

guild "could you tank on your monk?"
me "yo, you see this new diablo 4 season?"

[normal mist]

A irl homie that didn't have time to raid this season yet

So I was willing to speed up the process

[nova kelp]

said IRL homie would have to give some mad toppy

hahahaha

[normal mist]

He's the literal best

I love that homie

[nova kelp]

I wana say there's a point where I'd do it for a total IRL g
but I feel like they'd just defacto not ask or entertain the idea BECAUSE they knew me

so I have no idea tbh

I think the last time I healed anything was in BFA?
last time I tanked was trial of the grand crusader rofl

[normal mist]

In my case in particular, it was fine, it was my first time tanking anyway. And I only tanked 2 bosses LOL (he only tanks in pve, ret pvp)

So it was so funny to hear him ask "yo wtf we do here???" Me: "WHY DO YOU THINK I KNOW????"

[nova kelp]

the last time I tanked in trial I gave in to "could you just go tank on x toon?"
I asked our typical druid tank for tips
I was the offtank and literally LITERALLY I pressed a single button, not a macro
just swipe

I pressed swipe for 2 hours

[normal mist]

LOL

[nova kelp]

and we cleared the raid

and I have never speced tank again

[normal mist]

HOLY

That's honestly so funny

Wait it's 2 am I need to sleep

@nova kelp good night homie

[nova kelp]

Night G

[normal mist]

🫂

[plush delta]

how do we get details meters working on ptr?

[mighty vine]

lil 92 on gally not too shabby. Didnt even really get to pump on the ads at 7:30, he just died

[balmy condor]

you install it like you would on normal

same process

[plush delta]

through curseforge?

[balmy condor]

however you do your addons ye

if you use curseforge you can just do that

[hidden bay]

curseforge is the enemy!!!!! use wago app

[balmy condor]

hell, if you're a boomer you can download the folder and just drag it into the directory

the old way

[hidden bay]

wago app has the advantage you can just update weakauras aswell

[rotund oak]

being old enough to remember this makes u as much of a boomer as an OG one

also thx for reminding me how old i am

[solar wyvern]

bear ret dk rsham rogue comp is NOT good gusy

[runic hinge]

Noted. Thanks for tell me

[nova kelp]

fuck that, get on that 13s across the board for unlocks and never hit up another dungeon again train

but grats

[woeful galleon]

can anyone tell me whats the issue with my damage with mug'zee https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mqV2vzyPgWDYTKCd?boss=3015&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done

[haughty flicker]

just looking at one fight, your shivs are omega cursed

like you cast kingsbane at 12 seconds, and your second shiv isnt until 31 seconds

[woeful galleon]

I shouldnt shiv cleaves?

[haughty flicker]

always use 2 shivs in deathmark

and then you can either dry shiv lingering, or use two shivs in every kingsbane

[balmy condor]

not shiving cds is pretty troll

cause like

cds

[haughty flicker]

you arent doing damage outside of your cds

pretend you aren't even hitting the boss at that point

[nova kelp]

I don't even do damage IN my cds

[haughty flicker]

real

[nova kelp]

not till 35%

[waxen oyster]

Yeah your damage outside out dm/dry shivs

[haughty flicker]

afk first 65% and just do well in execute

[waxen oyster]

is absolutely whatever

[balmy condor]

also some of your darkest nights give me cancer what is happening here

hold on

[nova kelp]

oh no, dads on the case

[waxen oyster]

mugzee has alot of variance

[balmy condor]

dude

[waxen oyster]

sometimes im mid pack 45s in

[balmy condor]

you're actually just -1 hero talent tree

[waxen oyster]

others im top 3

[haughty flicker]

holy

[balmy condor]

you're untalenting your entire hero talent

[nova kelp]

oh wow yeah

[balmy condor]

that big block in the middle the dn actually full times out

that's crazy

[runic hinge]

[nova kelp]

I perish inside when I see DN drop

I just like

stop moving and pretend I dc'd

[waxen oyster]

can happen on rik

[haughty flicker]

yeah

[waxen oyster]

if you arent on dsm

before inter

[haughty flicker]

i lost mark a couple times when i first got to rik

and died a little inside

then i was forced to play sub and i died a lot inside

[waxen oyster]

thankfully vanish exists

[balmy condor]

okay well, this isn't how the cd sequence works, but you vanished for the mark so that's good

recovered it

I guess

[nova kelp]

I still wish DSM was like a button, or something
maybe DN could be a button and you have to proc DSM idk

[balmy condor]

it's still like 45 seconds without a hero talent

[haughty flicker]

sorry assa too many buttons

you have a whole like

[balmy condor]

but it could've been longer

[haughty flicker]

3 of them

too many

[runic hinge]

They should bring back one button

[nova kelp]

BUT 1 BUTTON ROTATION ASSIST!

[runic hinge]

[nova kelp]

the best button

EXSANGUINATE

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

no flame but 1 button doesn't drop a hero talent for nearly a minute

so actually might be the play here

[waxen oyster]

1 button presses snd

[balmy condor]

forgot that's a thing

[waxen oyster]

manually

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

you sack like 2 gcds for it who cares

[nova kelp]

well to be fair, according to bellular who always has 100% accurate data analysis...

...

1bra is better than 75% of people

[balmy condor]

yes yes

[runic hinge]

I hate deathstalker tbh. Idk why I’m still wearing my title.

[somber sparrow]

not saying i did good but this made me laugh at our stix fight... look at the damage of the rolling rubbish isn't that normally the top damage? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HFZ6BXC1hkbLvaJw?fight=12&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

bellular the most level-headed and smartest youtuber

[haughty flicker]

as much as i hate to agree with bellular on anything

[somber sparrow]

maybe not when the fight is short

[haughty flicker]

ive been playing obr hunter for a while now

[woeful galleon]

so u were saying not using envenom during dn is just troll?

[nova kelp]

I lost my mind on the downfall of dh video

[haughty flicker]

and its actually better than the majority of pugs ive been in

[waxen oyster]

I mean why are you letting

your capstone time out

[balmy condor]

no, you used plenty of envenoms, you just never used a full combo point envenom

like the opportunity was there for you to get the mark back

you just kept slamming envenom at 5 though for some reason

[woeful galleon]

so i should muti even like if Im off 2 points on full combo?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[balmy condor]

you HAVE TO mut to max

[woeful galleon]

ah

[haughty flicker]

using darkest night and getting mark back

[balmy condor]

that is not optional

[waxen oyster]

Is it even a loss to send a 5cp supercharged envenom

[somber sparrow]

you want to do anything you can to get back to max combo points

[runic hinge]

Yes. DSM is the most importsnt thing

[nova kelp]

yeah you GOTA hit that maxed out DN envenom

[haughty flicker]

is 100% your absolute highest priority

[nova kelp]

it also hits like a fucking truck

[balmy condor]

you are playing without a hero talent if you don't

[waxen oyster]

during dn

[balmy condor]

that's not a joke

like you legit just untalent all of deathstalker

[woeful galleon]

holy fuck im trolling

[balmy condor]

if you don't finish on max

[haughty flicker]

time for fatebound gaming

[woeful galleon]

and shiv off dot

[runic hinge]

Same

[balmy condor]

shiv off what

[nova kelp]

bro if fatebound had some cleave...

[woeful galleon]

i hate fatebound if fatebound ever meta im just going outlaw

[nova kelp]

where's trickster sin

[balmy condor]

well if fatebound is meta

[haughty flicker]

we dont have cdr

[balmy condor]

I hate to tell you

[haughty flicker]

trickster would be boring as fuck for us

[balmy condor]

but outlaw probably plays it

[somber sparrow]

which hero talent is the warden spec

[woeful galleon]

i just want sub meta no hate here

[haughty flicker]

sentinel gets a warden owl

[woeful galleon]

I enjoy sin more than outlaw

but sub best spec

[nova kelp]

I think Fatebound is already the play in the patch for outlaw

[balmy condor]

trickster sub is fine isn't it

[runic hinge]

Can’t you just play sub rn?

[woeful galleon]

falls off with bis gear v_v

ya

[balmy condor]

seemed okay in testing and stuff

[woeful galleon]

sub early season was bis

[nova kelp]

tricks sub is good in testing so far yeah

but

[woeful galleon]

when no one has gear

[nova kelp]

it's also sub

and that turns people away

[haughty flicker]

well the alternative is deathstalker sub

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

[haughty flicker]

so trickster is the play

[balmy condor]

oh boy

[runic hinge]

Scaling

[nova kelp]

SCALING

[runic hinge]

So real and true

[nova kelp]

WHISPYRS FAVOURITE SUBJECT

[haughty flicker]

sub fell off because it got nerfed immediately and never touched again

not because of scaling

lol

[waxen oyster]

sub aint even bad

[runic hinge]

They got buffed 5% actually

[balmy condor]

bro fell off a ladder on his rotation and then immediately got up and walked into a land mine

[woeful galleon]

that nerf wasnt even bad

[haughty flicker]

yeah after the tier ended

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah. Good for them

[fringe spear]

Specs are bad because of scaling, m+ meta is shaped by utility, shadow priest hasn't gotten a rework in a while

[haughty flicker]

im actually playing sub on gally to pad on adds

but getting immediately smacked down and then watching everyone get buffed until aug is beating you on logs

is rough

[balmy condor]

surely 15 ilvl is so insanely powerful that specs gain and lose like 5% relative to each other right

[fringe spear]

What secondary %s do i need to reach for bleed build m+

[balmy condor]

that's just simple math

[waxen oyster]

100 of all

[runic hinge]

69 haste

[haughty flicker]

69.69 haste

[fringe spear]

danke

[balmy condor]

you mean everyone got ilvl

[runic hinge]

I might give this spriest rework a try

[haughty flicker]

true it was the scaling

i forgor

[waxen oyster]

whispyr is it troll to consume dn with a 5pt env during supercharger

[balmy condor]

nah

cp consumed ends up being the same

[fringe spear]

never troll to consume Dino nuggies

[waxen oyster]

yeah tbh wondered how that mathed

[balmy condor]

it's actually a pretty easy though experiment

[waxen oyster]

since sometimes you have like your first shiv ending and need to fit in the second in cds

[balmy condor]

lets say you need 2 muts for an envenom, and 3 for a dn right

if you finish on 4 with supercharger for a dn

[haughty flicker]

no math pls

[balmy condor]

you save 1 mut

but you're still casting that mutilate right, it doesn't just disappear

so you cast that 1 mut later on in your rotation

and get the same cp

[waxen oyster]

i guess in niche pad situations

[balmy condor]

so it ends up being neutral

[waxen oyster]

if you think adds will die to spatter

building to 7 might be more

[balmy condor]

on like mug'zee adds you can sometimes sit on 7cp + darkest night for like 3 seconds and then giga blast when they're cleavable

[waxen oyster]

Been finishing on 6 sometimes during sc since like

[balmy condor]

I think that's pretty real

[waxen oyster]

building again feels a loss

[balmy condor]

yeh it's all a wash

[waxen oyster]

me doing this

waiting for goons to spawn

[golden loom]

Waiting for goons and then randomly 1 pull the gaols are put 300 meters apart so u dont spatter

And ofc boss dies that pull

El classico

Honestly tho mugzee is by far the best boss in the raid, straight banger

[haughty flicker]

im gonna be honest

im kind of just not a big fan of this raid

like its ok

i dont hate it

just dont particularly like it either

[waxen oyster]

When you get the p2 gaol on you

so druid friend is a homeboy and drops his on you to wipe the raid

[fallow canopy]

All I'm reading are non velf problems

[haughty flicker]

getting chosen randomly for a gaol isnt an issue when your rl just puts you in every gaol anyway

[woeful galleon]

@balmy condor do I full combo every rupture to?

[haughty flicker]

idk who whiskeylake is but no

[woeful galleon]

I thought so

[haughty flicker]

rupture is just normal finisher rules

only time you build to full is for darkest night

[balmy condor]

5cp every finisher except when you have darkest night

[woeful galleon]

Ahh so that’s like my like big dps issue then ?

[haughty flicker]

it certainly didnt help

[woeful galleon]

Same with shiv twice on dm

[balmy condor]

deathstalker is roughly 30% of your damage

[waxen oyster]

Well yeah not playing with a hero talent

[balmy condor]

so not having it

[waxen oyster]

is pretty bad

[balmy condor]

is kinda rough

[woeful galleon]

Is there a wa for it

[balmy condor]

plenty, most every group has it built in

!wwa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[woeful galleon]

I’m pretty sure I use luxthos

[grim jay]

Ty for being honest. In a world like the one we live in that means a lot and people should value your honesty.

[haughty flicker]

jokes on you i was lying

[balmy condor]

luxthos will have it

[haughty flicker]

mugzee is a banger fight

[grim jay]

Point proven

[woeful galleon]

Is that all you see tbh shiv on dm and full envenoms on dn?

[haughty flicker]

actually i lied again i have no strong feelings about mugzee

[grim jay]

Ngl I dont like the raid one bit

[woeful galleon]

I’m actually writing this down

[haughty flicker]

yeah

idk

[balmy condor]

not much to fuck up otherwise, spec kinda plays itself

[waxen oyster]

I like it more than nerubar

[balmy condor]

stack cds together, spam envenom

[woeful galleon]

That’s what I always thought

[haughty flicker]

i skipped nerubar entirely

but i kind of wish i had skipped this one instead

[balmy condor]

you just happen to have fucked up the two things you can fuck up, are they suck REAL hard

so yeh

fix the cd sequence and don't troll dn

and you'll be aight

[grim jay]

It just feels unmemorable, I dont like the theme in the first place and idk, it never really felt great. Nerubar had stronger feelings, even if some fights were ew

[woeful galleon]

https://wago.io/yuQ0TY3lp

[haughty flicker]

its ok next tier is a banger for sure

[woeful galleon]

I think this will work better

[waxen oyster]

I’d probably like sub more if

[balmy condor]

whatever you gotta do

[waxen oyster]

backstab wasnt a complete noodle

[woeful galleon]

I don’t like the darkest night on the weak aura packages

[woeful galleon]

But only envenoms need full combo not ruptures also while it’s up?

[grim jay]

Id probably like sub more if the tuning wasnt as bad and it would be a fixed 45s big-ish dance every now and then with big 1.5min burst

[balmy condor]

darkest night envenoms take priority over everything

like if rupture is dropping off

you let it drop off

[woeful galleon]

So rupture uptime isn’t even important?

[balmy condor]

it is

[woeful galleon]

Got it

[balmy condor]

but darkest night is MUCH more important

[haughty flicker]

yeah ive been playing sub for the last few bosses to mix things up

[balmy condor]

when darkest night procs you drop legit everything you're doing and reapply

[haughty flicker]

and i think the cdr is the only part i really dont like

if it was fixed 90/45 cds i think i'd like it more

[woeful galleon]

Vanish ambush re applies it right

[haughty flicker]

but sub mains probably wouldnt like seeing me say that

[balmy condor]

yeah but you shouldn't really ever need to vanish

we don't play stealth talents in raid

so unless you fucked up, vanish isn't used

[waxen oyster]

vanish is when you’re wiping

to save an augment rune

[woeful galleon]

Really

[haughty flicker]

ye yell at everyone to jump

so you can vanish

[balmy condor]

I mean what else would you vanish for

[hallow glade]

and then boss melees you anyways

[woeful galleon]

Idk if I could do that on mugzee very much

If people fuck up just nuke pop off

[golden loom]

Vanish is for cauldron / p2 mugzee jail add

[balmy condor]

yeah true

[waxen oyster]

If you get p2 jail just wipe

[balmy condor]

you can move the mark around with vanish in some niche situations

[waxen oyster]

on you

[woeful galleon]

We got 2% wipes multiple times v_v

[golden loom]

We have all people go in

[woeful galleon]

3 heal p3 zerg

[waxen oyster]

yeah thats the cringe strat

ima tell them im going velf mid raid

if they do that

[woeful galleon]

We skip 2nd jails

[golden loom]

Yeah we skip 2nd, talking about final jail set

[woeful galleon]

Root bombs p3

[waxen oyster]

Yeah thats standard now

I think?

[woeful galleon]

Ya with belt

[waxen oyster]

We did it our first kill

[woeful galleon]

Def

Just people dying due to being solo in last jails

[waxen oyster]

you just wait for your ranged to stop walking into mines

and you kill

[golden loom]

Problem is if not enough people soak you just wipe and one time I somehow was alone in a jail so idk I aint risking staying out lmao

[woeful galleon]

Then no dps during execute

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its weird

because some specs can solo the add

but people like eating the frontal for breakfast

[woeful galleon]

Or not kick

[golden loom]

Well just the jail going down does a shit ton of damage

Like I solo soaked so it procced cheat

[waxen oyster]

You need 2 people yeah

i did boots then got jail on me

druid felt bad so he dropped his jail on mine

and instawiped us

getting both feels so bad

for cds

getting gaol in general does

[red schooner]

Gotta re-prog mugzee tonight and dear god save me

I'm dreading it

But we gotta get the full clear for everyone

[waxen oyster]

Thats how i feel about alot of this raid

i aint doing sprocket with colorblind healers though at least

[red schooner]

Starting mugzee tonight, the roster consists of the people who had a 60% chance of dying on intermission

[waxen oyster]

@golden loom how are you doing cds btw always doing p2 gaol

[red schooner]

Legit re-prog, I wanna nap man

[waxen oyster]

sounds omega cursed

[waxen oyster]

thats how i felt

i’ve died once on intermission

i got stunned by 3 puddles

[red schooner]

Yeah I need to see how cooldowns work, we're 3 minute pushing as well

[waxen oyster]

in a row

[red schooner]

One of our paladins we've had to explicitly go, 'just bubble during intermission'

[waxen oyster]

well its only cursed if you have to gaol

[red schooner]

I have to gaol

[waxen oyster]

Yeah ima write take me off gaol

or sit me

you can send your dm as it comes up a bit after 4mins

but you get cucked if you get arrow

[golden loom]

Nah you get full cds off fine

[waxen oyster]

Nah you lose like 5 kb secs

[golden loom]

Just gotta bait mines well while sending cds

[waxen oyster]

If you get boots

[golden loom]

Hmm idk feels like even when I got boots it felt decently fine

[golden loom]

Have re-progged it twice

[waxen oyster]

Do you send the dm before 4:11

[golden loom]

Lemme check

Hmm latest kill I sent on 2:15 and 4:21 so idk if something went weird

[waxen oyster]

i mean 4:21 should be after boots get assigned

[golden loom]

Yeah idk, usually I am just perma sending on CD so idk

[waxen oyster]

i assume you just didnt get

[golden loom]

On phone so checking logs is awful

[waxen oyster]

if you get a longer than 5:20 kill you likely get another kb

[golden loom]

Okay yeah so on wipe before kill (would have been a 100 log) I sent on 2:09 and 4:12

Btw nerf ret

[waxen oyster]

Idk why our boots come out

4:13

Highest mugzee is in an honestly alt raid

4:48

[craggy basin]

hey if I play all 3 specs roughly the same is there a preferred spec for m gally? like one that just lines up better with the mechanics/ easier time/ better for prog sort of deal.

[waxen oyster]

Not really no

They do different things

[golden loom]

Play whichever you have the most fun on cause fuck gally

Dumb boss

[haughty flicker]

if you want to pad adds play sub

if you want to hit boss but also potentially pad adds play assa

[waxen oyster]

as soon as you have baboons that stop yeeting people with their lines

boss kinda dies

if you want to pad adds ddos your devoker

just for gally

[haughty flicker]

ngl the one thing ive learned about my guild this tier is that everyone is completely allergic to hitting adds

even with two devs

like if i dont parse on adds they dont die

[drifting cloud]

wipe parses are turbo inaccurate, r1 assa on mugzee is over 3.7 :d

[haughty flicker]

dont crush dreams man

come on

[craggy basin]

thanks, was simming specs with my gear and noticed sin was the lowest and outlaw was the highest simming and ive been sin the whole mythic tier pretty much so was kind of confused for a minute lol

[waxen oyster]

yeah sin sims low

nothing new

simsa like 2.67

[craggy basin]

yea my outlaw sims like 3 and my sin is at like 2.6mil or something. glad to know tho, ill keep as sin then most likely

[haughty flicker]

ye cant compare sims between specs to judge performance

[waxen oyster]

yeah optimal sin gear isnt even 2.7

[grim jay]

Its not even only that sin sims a bit lower

Its that outlaw nearly always sims high

Thats been the case for many tiers

[waxen oyster]

lol

my dh sims like 3mil too

and its not even 680

[drifting cloud]

sorry its during july 2025, doesnt count

[waxen oyster]

i got mine while making smourne

[runic hinge]

I assure you, it does

[waxen oyster]

irony is nowadays the plate char i play the most doesnt have it

[golden loom]

Yeah ik, we also wiped the global I pressed kingsbane

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/rukocord-gif-19005042

[golden loom]

2nd pot kingsbane in execute wouldve done 1 million dps!!

[drifting cloud]

I consulted the mount council, it doesnt count

[grim jay]

1.5

[runic hinge]

I can mount it, it counts

[drifting cloud]

back in my days tony

etc

[grim jay]

You can mount... Wait

Wrong direction

[waxen oyster]

raise your hand if you unlocked warglaives transmog

in 2017

[grim jay]

Why would anyone spend time farming those ugly ass things

[waxen oyster]

I got them in 3 runs

on my rogue

skill issue

[runic hinge]

that was in your days

[grim jay]

3 too many

[waxen oyster]

i think i was going for

shard of azzinoth

[drifting cloud]

I was past my prime then already

[waxen oyster]

you can still do the dh skip

for BT iirc

[golden loom]

Yeah jump up the chain

[waxen oyster]

XDDDD

[runic hinge]

middle of wotlk, makes sense, that was in my prime, never been better than then

[waxen oyster]

honestly

dh has singular focus

on crack

its about to become the funnel king with new tier set

[drifting cloud]

but yea gratz, farm everything out in this month nonstop wow mount farming

take your 2 sick days or whatever you get a year in NA

[red schooner]

Horrifying

[runic hinge]

3.5

[grim jay]

It certainly is king, but not of many positive things

[grim jay]

Hu

Cant you be sick whenever?

[drifting cloud]

I think thats illegal over there

[waxen oyster]

theres an irony in how dh is probably one of the trickier melee to optimize nowadays

[haughty flicker]

2 whole sick days

[waxen oyster]

or most havoc mains suck

[haughty flicker]

thats more than i get in a decade

[waxen oyster]

it does feel every melee is kinda piss easy compared to rogue

[grim jay]

Well most of them are stupid and toxic

[runic hinge]

I work for the govt so i actually get 4 weeks

[grim jay]

Idk you can be sick as much as you want around here

As long as the company doesnt kick you out afterwards

Which usually doesnt happen

I think last year the average was like 27 days a year for people that call in sick

In the whole country

[haughty flicker]

you just dont get it

you have to treat the workers like shit so that you make as much profit as possible for rich people

and then it'll trickle down and i'll be a millionare

any day now

[grim jay]

Thats why they call in sick so much here

You are protected by law

[royal hazel]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[empty hinge]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sick aspen]

echoing void is still bugged correct? what would be the best option for delves/keys/dastardly

[nova kelp]

DID SOMEONE SAY ECHOING VOID!?

actually though, just give up on the EV dream, we are stat stackers

[sick aspen]

k, giving up on that dream, what is the best choice for the content I mentioned then?

[nova kelp]

probably just void ritual everywhere

[sick aspen]

got it, ty 🙂

[grim jay]

Best option is always to check the pins or the guide

[red schooner]

We'll be getting questions about echoing void for 2 more expansions still

[balmy condor]

wrong actually cause they're disabled when season 3 starts

[fresh kelp]

“why doesn’t my head enchant work anymore”

[red schooner]

Sweet, never have to do visions again

[balmy condor]

[red schooner]

Thought I was gonna have to do a few runs so I had enchants stocked up

[balmy condor]

yeh no,

doesn't even work on your current helm

like you log in day 1 of season 3

[red schooner]

Thank fuck for that

[balmy condor]

and it's grayed out

[red schooner]

So we pivot to asking if belt is bis for S3 ye?

[royal lantern]

cant wait for midnight where they bring back the FAN FAVORITE island Expeditions for a 2% increase 🙂

[indigo mulch]

I liked the idea of the enchants but i didn't like what they did. 😦

[red schooner]

Warfronts, gotta do warfronts

[indigo mulch]

I liked Issland Expeditions, i didn't like that you had to run them though.

😄

[red schooner]

Me with delves. I was doing delves anyhow but it's less fun when I have to run them.

It makes no difference but it makes my brain go 'fuck this'

[royal lantern]

its because you feel "forced" to do it

instead of just doing it by yourself

[red schooner]

Yup. Turns it into a chore.

[royal lantern]

and your brain doesnt like being told to do something it maybe doesnt really wanna do rn

[red schooner]

Gotta run my T1 delve when I get home for the belt

I just wanna do my weekly quests instead I've almost maxed the cartel reps

[grim jay]

Dang so thats why work sometimes feels bad

[red schooner]

Just steamwheadle to go then I can stop going to undermine

[worthy rose]

hmm wihtout simming

is it possible to make a conclusion as to how i should gear

im still on heroic set piece shoulders

but i got a mythic set piece helmet today

should i just craft shoudlers?

my current myth helmet is crit mastery

not sure it sworth losing the correct mainstat main piece for a set piece with wrong substats

[royal lantern]

secondarys are a joke

more mainstat = good

simple as that

[worthy rose]

so yall are saying i should go ahead and craft them shoudlers

alrighty

say less

[haughty flicker]

99% of gearing is higher ilvl=better

then you sim

[worthy rose]

10 ilvls is fairly huge

671 hero shoulders to 681 crafted

[whole mason]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[nova kelp]

OOC - what ilvl should our belt be atm?

[novel star]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[nova kelp]

lets go!

[echo island]

I think 697

[red schooner]

Wait is the weekly belt stuff over after this week?

[nova kelp]

No I don't think so

we SHOULD only be at 697

but dagran just decided to sell me an extra upgrade for reasons

so I'm at 701

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[red schooner]

Share me your secrets I want this to be over

[royal lantern]

reported for hacking

[nova kelp]

dude I still need to farm a billion more runs for the mount

[royal lantern]

say goodbye dirty cheater

[nova kelp]

😢

[thick basin]

Is Improved Garrote like a snapshot where the entire 18 seconds of a garrote bleed is going to do 50% more dmg? Or does garrote only do the bonus damage during the buff being active on you?

[balmy condor]

the first

[rancid bane]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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[warm vortex]

It's funny looking back and seeing the tiersets with stupid numbers on them

Holy 209,120% additonal damage? What a bargan

[ocean quiver]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gGf6wP5ko8rDscrfTSGqVN

The only myth item i got in vault and it's not even an increase in m+ :(

and it's only a 4k increase ST :(

[balmy condor]

Average vault experience yes

[nova aspen]

[worthy rose]

Iirc the belt is meant to end at 700 or 710 ilvl right

Think it was 700 or something

[ocean quiver]

😢 is it even worth taking at that point?

4k ST increase seems useless, feel like no reason to even take hero tracked items at this point

[golden loom]

my vault was decent (good for gally I guess)

[zenith elm]

Eye of kezan from gally is BIS lol

is echoing void still bugged ?

[shy axle]

it is bugged

[zenith elm]

shit

[shy axle]

just use ritual, no difference in the end

[zenith elm]

i hope next week we dont get any buff on PTR, so i can still safely say : WE ARE DOOMED

[golden loom]

well its only good on 1 fight (gally) and if ur doing high lvl m+ stuff (im not)

[zenith elm]

whats the time before the buff falls off ?

[golden loom]

idk

[runic inlet]

20 seconds

From leaving combat

[shy axle]

even gally gets killed so fast now, never even used it once over pacemaker

[runic inlet]

It's not all that hard to keep up other than in top or ws

Gotta do some demonic shit

[golden loom]

the real value is for first week of next tier

[zenith elm]

Ooooh so yeah its good

[zenith elm]

True gamer shit

[ocean quiver]

It’s bugged?

[zenith elm]

Yes

[ocean quiver]

How do

First time I’m hearing this

[zenith elm]

doesnt proc as often as told by sims

[ocean quiver]

Oh

[spice surge]

For rogues specifically

[nova aspen]

iT's StIlL bUgGeD mEoWeOwEoW

[zenith elm]

So void rituals is the better one overall

[spice surge]

A lot of our spells just dont proc it, but it doesnt really matter much as its gone soon anyway

[nova aspen]

see pin numero 3

[zenith elm]

True

Anyone excited for next raid ? looks good and doesnt feel as mechanically punishing as the last one

wayy more dps and healer check tho

[shy axle]

always excited for new stuff

[zenith elm]

some ppl werent excited for goblin season

but void? you got me, i fcking love void

[edgy sigil]

hey guys, recently started playing around with my rogue... Im somewhat struggling to figure out, how to solo stuff. What are the main things that i am supposed to watch, when trying to challenge things far above what im supposed to do?

[main bridge]

solo what kinda stuff?

[edgy sigil]

pve, mainly

[main bridge]

so like elites when you are leveling?

[edgy sigil]

yes and no, on max level

in example the suggested 5 person elites

[main bridge]

well generally you don't have to do that and you can use the group finder to join or start a group

trying to solo one of those is probably a waste of time unless you are pretty geared

[edgy sigil]

Im fairly used to that from playing Feral, i just enjoy doing group stuff solo

I know not all classes have the possibility for that tho

[lapis depot]

is there a workaround to stealth break with the new belt?

[main bridge]

if you mean charged bolts, that was nerfed and you shouldn't be using that at this point

[static glacier]

Ye there’s a command for it iirc

[red schooner]

There's one in the pins but you should swap off of charged bolts

Stat ones tend to be better

[lapis depot]

nah i haave the mastery belt and it stills fires shit at enemies and breaks stealth

[main bridge]

well then just adapt the macro in #outlaw pins

[lapis depot]

i cant find it lol maybe im the poblem 😄

[main bridge]

i guess they removed it my bad

here ya go:

/cancelaura Charged Bolts
/cast Stealth

[lapis depot]

thx

[fringe vine]

hello guys, i got a question regarding splitting bleeds. all the guids i read say apply bleeds

i found a video guide vom shindigg, where he i hinks use a macro, because he instantly applies bleeds

im not shure but i think he uses garrote and rupture in a macro

he has ni rupture in his bar

[spice surge]

He doesnt

[fringe vine]

am i allowed to link the part of the video where u can see the buttons he pushed

[spice surge]

sure

But im 1000% sure he just presses them in sequence

[fringe vine]

https://youtu.be/gHI4tRcugME?si=1H6pa3Pv3v3PAzq4&t=1470

its crazy how fast he dots everything

[spice surge]

Ye, he just presses garrote > rupture > rupture

[fringe vine]

but there is no rupture in the bar ?

[spice surge]

There is?

[main bridge]

there's like a whole second, maybe two between garrote and rupture

just assign keybinds that are easy for you to press and you can do this easily

[ocean quiver]

that is not on his bars

that's his gcd tracker

but I think he just does not have rupture on visable bars

rupture my bad not garrote

[fringe vine]

garrote u can see, rupture i still can find, but if its there its fine for me

[spice surge]

Well whats visible on his bar is irrelevant

He presses it from a hidden bar then

[humble verge]

im not even 684

[fringe vine]

ok

so my bigest problem is maintaining bleeds on all targets

the instant bleeds i apply out from stealth is fine

i get dot them all due to talents picked

then caustic spatter, then rota all good

but how do i reapply all those bleeds, do you use mouse over macro or just tab trough them

[spice surge]

Vanish

Or yes mouseover/tab targeting

[fringe vine]

mhh

[ocean quiver]

I just tab

[fringe vine]

well guys thank u for ur answers, ill get back to practising

[stable apex]

combination of mouseovers and a clean ui so you instantly see what you still need to dot/where dots are running/about to run out

[fringe vine]

well i still need sto setup clean ui then

[stable apex]

and ideally only the relevant dots/debuffs and not everything to prevent clutter

[fringe vine]

its for me often hard to see

[main bridge]

Plater can help with that

[stable apex]

im pretty sure people here have some banger profiles you can check out

[fringe vine]

yea git plater installed, need to tweak it more

[main bridge]

you can install profiles from people here already set up for rogue

[fringe vine]

yea my friend send me one, but hes priest 😛

maybe some og rogue help me out, ill try

[stable apex]

/wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fringe vine]

i want to learn this clss

[stable apex]

there is some platers

would asumme they pretty good out of the box and if you want further changes can do yourself

[fringe vine]

can urecommmend some or should i test them, through

[stable apex]

not a sin main, sorry 😅

so i cant recommend any specific

[fringe vine]

alright ill test them

[stable apex]

i like the look of both, would suggest to just test on dummies or in any low key or smth

or lfr if you raid

[fringe vine]

y

[main bridge]

you don't want to go into a key and find out your UI is messed up

[stable apex]

thats why i suggest low key

[fringe vine]

xD wont do it dont worry

i found luxthois group plater great

[spice surge]

Assa has like 10 additional debuffs that you do not care about in the slightest so having a good nameplate addon is crucial

[fringe vine]

but whispyr plater marks the outrunning dots with ysellow box

and i want a cooldown shown for my garotte

need to figure it out how to setup

[stable apex]

suggest one of the bigger classpacks

i personally like afenar for all 3 rog speccs

but thats mostly personal preference

luxthos also has good ones iirc

[fringe vine]

well im trying them out

[stable apex]

and then you also find custom edits here for all of them i think

[rustic zealot]

Guys a quick question, how do i check from logs how much % of the gallagio dmg buff do we have?

[hard river]

i dont think you can

should ask wcl disc

[stable island]

I know you can check via wowaudit

Since it’s a rep thing

[hidden bay]

how did you abuse

[cosmic kiln]

!wa

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Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

What did you even dinar

[golden loom]

sprocket cape -> jastor -> HoC

[waxen oyster]

sprocket cape

unhinged

[golden loom]

I mean it was during bandit prog and was only slot I didnt have myth track

(or crafted)

[waxen oyster]

oh wasnt a wait for bandit to die to buy hoc angle

or you got myth signet in vault

ig

[golden loom]

yeah had signet

[waxen oyster]

i still have crafted cloak granted

[golden loom]

so thats why I bought hoc last cause it allowed me to stop caring about mastery and swapping around 5 gear pieces gained me 0.3%!!!!!!!!

[waxen oyster]

yeah main reason i hate it

[golden loom]

but I mean outside of jastor, dinars were whatever

[haughty flicker]

dinar for sprocket cape is incredibly based

[normal mist]

Based? say no more

[royal lantern]

heroic

lol

[spice spire]

Based? I was based once

[normal mist]

OH FUCK

I FORGOT I WAS AN HEROIC RAIDER

[royal lantern]

damm, dementia hitting you hard allready

[haughty flicker]

heroic is enough to get mythic appearance

so still based

[waxen oyster]

just win the roll

though sprocket might be the boss pugs wipe the most on

[feral mason]

knockback bosses always are i swear

Remnant of nerzhul flashbacks

[waxen oyster]

No it's just the fact that people cant wait 2secs to step on mines.

i found new bis ring

[harsh harbor]

Sims keep having me stack vers to the point the signet gives me vers

that seem off to anyone?

[strange tundra]

Nice purchase mommy

[ocean quiver]

To the guy that was crying the other day about me taking my rat 670 rogue into mythic bandit

too ez

[hidden bay]

[ocean quiver]

and I was top 6 dps

so get even more rekt

[royal lantern]

"i got carried, get rekt"

[main bridge]

gotem

[waxen oyster]

Are you actually bragging about being 6th.

[waxen oyster]

mogged by 1st

[ocean quiver]

i'm 670 bru

and the guy said my guild wont be able to kill with rat me in it

was one of you

[waxen oyster]

kill is different from being a carry

either way 670 at this point just means you arent playing the game

[ocean quiver]

I hardly play my rogue you are right

literally said this from the start lmfao

[waxen oyster]

posting a chest thats 1/8 when crests are uncapped

[ocean quiver]

literally hardly done any keys on my rogue this season

so yeah

[waxen oyster]

What's the point of doing mythic on a character that doesnt see play

[ocean quiver]

because I don't wanna play boomie no more

and wanna play rogue

so i'm doing stuff on that instead

[waxen oyster]

Play neither seems the better angle

play better game

[ocean quiver]

real

wish you could transfer crests

my rogue be max ilvl in no time trust

[waxen oyster]

Idk if you dont play how many do you even have on main

I think i have like only 1.1k gildeds

[ocean quiver]

I too have like

900

[waxen oyster]

It's kind of easy since you can get like 15 gildeds in 15 minutes.

[ocean quiver]

if it was transferable would have 1.4k nearly

[waxen oyster]

infinitely farmable

[ocean quiver]

15 guilded in 15min?

[waxen oyster]

do a t11 delve in 5

get 15 runed

45 runed=15 gilded

[ocean quiver]

you can solo it on rogue?

or with group

[waxen oyster]

the bounty map chest is like 30

[normal mist]

easily solo

[waxen oyster]

?

Brother i soloed a t11 at like

650

maybe less

[ocean quiver]

bro I legit don't do delves

[waxen oyster]

Its the best way to gear alts

i could do t11s on any class with a tank spec at 620

[ocean quiver]

The only delve stuff I do is for belt

[ocean quiver]

dang

[main bridge]

delves are very nice solo content

[ocean quiver]

does it have to be boundful

[waxen oyster]

Well why would you not

free gildeds

[main bridge]

bountiful is just if you want gear

[waxen oyster]

and free hero piece

[ocean quiver]

dont need hero tbf

well

[waxen oyster]

also how to get mythic mogs

on a char that does no group content

I have full mythic dk set

and havent done a single key or raid

[ocean quiver]

what the helly

idc much about tmogs tbf

[waxen oyster]

That character is

675

btw

[ocean quiver]

what da

I don't like delves so not fussed too much

still need to get all my 12s

so I can replace my other champ trinket

:)

[waxen oyster]

jk one off

[ocean quiver]

wow so you lied

gg