assassination

[rotund oak]

there was so much fatebound angery last vid

😂

also good morning

[hallow glade]

Does cosmic scale with mastery

I imagine it does right since plague is supposed to

[snow hamlet]

it does

But i remember it didn't seem to benefit from Zoldyck

[gloomy heart]

anyone got the addon that makes your m+ key timer look clear

[zenith elm]

Good morning everyone

[eager knot]

Well tried playing assassination rogue in 11.2 ptr. The first time in years I think I might be changing classes 😅

[royal lantern]

...what

nothing changes in gameplay

[wide ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-debate-president-presidential-debate-wtf-gif-4127151492472228747

[balmy condor]

bro thinks he might be changing classes I guess

[ancient rain]

Is the nature damage from VV considered "poison damage" for caustic spatter?

[balmy condor]

yes

all nature damage works on caustic

[brave viper]

Am i trying to keep 100% uptime on sanguine blades on m+ bosses?

[balmy condor]

no

[brave viper]

thank god

[native turret]

Maybe he hasn't tried it all expansion and likes it?

[brave viper]

ive been a outlaw 1 trick forever and i actually am digging sin right now

so deff the latter

[old lily]

welcome back

[royal lantern]

real

[crisp leaf]

is kingsbane duped by deathmark?

[golden loom]

no, but poisons are, so therefore you stack kingsbane way faster

[crisp leaf]

ok, all day thought it was cause of the language in the tooltips so ive been doing kingsbane into deathmark instead of otherway around

[golden loom]

well even if deathmark did duplicate kingsbane, the spell is dynamic so you dont have to reapply bleeds/poisons after deathmark

any bleeds/poisons that are active during deathmark are just duplicated

[worthy rose]

For the ptr realm does blizzard give you a free set of gear

[crisp leaf]

yeah i understand that part

[worthy rose]

Or do you have to rawdog it like live servers

[main bridge]

i saw something called Template Character, which i assume is that, but i just copied my live character to play

there are also vendors with the new class gear and almost anything else you could want

[worthy rose]

Fair

Hmm

Maybe I should try my hand at it

Could be fun

[main bridge]

yeah! i tried the new dungeon with my key group

[golden loom]

I did one key without any addons and closed PTR right after

the plates look so fucking crazy when every bleed/poison is on a target and you press deathmark

[worthy rose]

Oh fuck that’s right

[golden loom]

also not being able to track anything is just crazy

[main bridge]

why would you do that? you can use addons

[worthy rose]

Blizz trying to kill combat addons

[golden loom]

idk I just downloaded PTR and jumped right into a key

[worthy rose]

What will I do without hekili to remind me where I am in the middle of my rotation 😂

[main bridge]

ew

[golden loom]

and the addons I downloaded were all out of date

[worthy rose]

Add on purge happens in midnight right

[main bridge]

no

they didn't specify when it would happen or how really

i expect it will be years away

[grim jay]

SoonTM

[primal jolt]

[worthy rose]

They’ll probably forget about it

Base ui of the game is steaming dogshit in many aspects

[primal jolt]

what was the link thing

/pooling

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[primal jolt]

👍

[main bridge]

[rotund oak]

[hasty saddle]

easy or hard to get re-stealths without vanish at high level keys? should tanks be considerate or chain pull

[spice surge]

Depends

Its also not like you absolutely need to stealth to do damage, but if a mob has like 5% hp left you should probably be killing of that mob before you pull a big important pack

If theres 4 mobs that do nothing left at 30%, then chaining them is a lot better than killing them

For the most part though chaining is better

[winged sun]

@balmy condor we need a how bad post right now

[brazen pine]

I'm sure it's been written already and WoWHead is just drip feeding them in alphabetical order. Whispyr has us covered.

[pliant remnant]

How Good (Bad) Are the Rogue Hero Talent( Tier Set)s in The War Within Season 3?

[cerulean walrus]

“Will Slowmode Be Enabled in Ravenholdt? You Already Know the Answer… A Rogue Tier Set Deep Dive”

[haughty flicker]

i cant wait

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[red schooner]

Its fine, surely this time they fix fatebound

Surely

[cerulean walrus]

Regardless of how good or bad things are we always got the doomers

You can bet on that

[haughty flicker]

get nerfed>slowmode

get buffed>also slowmode

[red schooner]

I feel like with the current fatebound issues, dooming is allowed.

I have some hope it'll be fixed cos we've got a bit of time til the new season

[cerulean walrus]

Coin flippa

[red schooner]

Its more the 'oh hey you get 90 second cooldowns but in actuality they're 2 minute cooldowns'

[haughty flicker]

yeah but they'll fix all that

probably

i think

[red schooner]

Yeah I hope so

Cos in theory, tier set, cool

At the moment in practice,

[runic hinge]

Nothing happens? You better believe it, slow mode

[hearty seal]

slow mode is just us running out of energy on ST
it just happens
you need to DM to pick speed up again

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy @humble verge

I been on vacation and absent the whole week

Did i miss anything exciting

[lost wolf]

are we supposed to hard swap to reel assistants on mythic 1 arm?

[humble verge]

nah

just dot em

rupture on 2 of them i usually try to

[lost wolf]

ok cool, thank you!

[fallow canopy]

[ocean quiver]

had a tank that chain pulled like crazy, is sudden demise even worth playing at that point?

Doing 12s rn and it's like hardly any damage, so used to it in DF being one of the top abilities

[warm vortex]

Is this bleed build?

I assume so

[warm vortex]

Every time I see you it’s always with that little goober lmao

[runic hinge]

sudden demise is always worth using because its 15% bleed damage

[ocean quiver]

Fairs fairs

Just not used to see it so low in damage

[ocean quiver]

thought maybe im playing it wrong

[warm vortex]

Haven’t played Assa in a mo

But if that’s bleed, shouldn’t sudden be doing a ton more?

And if it’s hybrid, should CS be like top?

[ocean quiver]

its bleed

tank was chain pulling liek crazy

[warm vortex]

What dungeon?

[ocean quiver]

priority

[runic hinge]

sudden demise is just like an insurance policy for your bleeds, like if they have duration left you'll get some value, but ideally you dont want it doing a ton of damage because it's inherently inefficient

[warm vortex]

Also, isn’t chain pulling just fine?

Unless you mean the tank waiting for mobs to be at 0.1% health then pulling more, which isn’t chain pulling, it’s bad tanking

[warm vortex]

Again I haven’t played too much rogue this season so idk

[ocean quiver]

there is like 1 mob left with like 60m hp (low tier mob) and he just runs to the next pack

pulls a shit ton

[ocean quiver]

so I waste a vanish

he did that the whole dungeon

if I had eye of kezan I would've had full stacks entire dungeon

[warm vortex]

That’s just the tank being a moron lmao

[ocean quiver]

I told him like

50 times

healer told him

end of dungeon before last pack

he goes

[ocean quiver]

"sorry not used to playing with rogue

[warm vortex]

Lemmie guess
VDH or guardian?

[ocean quiver]

then goes and chain pulls

VDH

[runic hinge]

vanish isn't a waste if you're using it to reapply bleeds

[ocean quiver]

I was using it at the start of a pack

[warm vortex]

VDH being toxic?

Noooo
No never heard of that

[ocean quiver]

I had to use vanish at the start of every pack

sometimes I was going into packs with no aoe bleeds

[ocean quiver]

because he would just chain like crazy for literally no reason

[warm vortex]

Tbh I would just leave

[ocean quiver]

I need my 12s done so I just sat through it

[warm vortex]

If he doesn’t listen and keeps doing that

I’m just gonna tell him to fuck off, at least this late in the season

[warm vortex]

Because he clearly is annoying the entire group if the healer is complaint aswell

[ocean quiver]

footman in priority had 40m hp left

1 mob

and he goes and pulls after saying

[warm vortex]

Cause chaining like that also prevents mana drinks

[ocean quiver]

"never really pug, never play with rogue"

[ocean quiver]

tbf he had plenty of mana, but even at the start the healer called it out

[warm vortex]

VDHs be stupid tbh

[warm vortex]

And that’s coming from a fucking BM

I had a brain eating worm that left due to boredom

So when I call someone dumb, they have to be really dumb

[ocean quiver]

the very last pack

is when he stopped chain pulling

[warm vortex]

“Atheist”
He is probably 12

[ocean quiver]

end of dungeon damage

[main bridge]

gross name

[ocean quiver]

highest damager and doesn't stop chain pulling to let me do more

[ocean quiver]

Good artist

[warm vortex]

Dude BM on priory feels painful

Everything dies before my bear comes out

[ocean quiver]

lmfao

I was playing bm last season

tbf it's kinda fun

[warm vortex]

They are making dire beast passive next season

And allowing them to kill command again

[ocean quiver]

holy smokes

[warm vortex]

Like instead of summoning dire beasts from the button
They now just come out of DoTs

[ocean quiver]

the only problem I have with hunter is like

[warm vortex]

And bloodthirst has a super high chance to summon them and deal a shit ton more damage

[ocean quiver]

idk if I can fully main

I don't like being relied on in raids

hunters seem to always get some type of stupid mechanic to do

last season

[warm vortex]

Tbh I like doing mechanics
Mainly just heroic raiding and some tiny bit of mythic

[ocean quiver]

against meta ele

[warm vortex]

I had THE ele sham in my raid so I get that pain

Still got all 99s while doing mechanics this tier tho :>

[ocean quiver]

assassin rogue, arcane mage and bm hunter have always been my three favourite specs

gg :D

I hate mechanics

I'm literally just a dps bot any raid

[warm vortex]

Tbh thinking of trying rogue next season but just sub

[warm vortex]

Why I play hunter
You can do both haha

[ocean quiver]

I just hate having core mechanics

too scared i'll fuck it up

[warm vortex]

Either playing SV, Sub, BM, or maybeeee Assa next season

[ocean quiver]

this whole mythic prog, I never had any actual mechanics to do lmfao

besides certain soaks and shit

[warm vortex]

I’m the metaphorical punching bag of the guild so it’s gonna happen either way

[ocean quiver]

like in gallywix

[ocean quiver]

I never really do any "high" end stuff so no matter what spec I play will be viable

[warm vortex]

Fair

I’d wanna try mythic but I’m attached to my guild, and whenever raid is being progged I’m usually at uni, which doesn’t line up well

[ocean quiver]

I just want to stick to 1 character so was planning rogue but now you making me wanna play bm lmfao

[warm vortex]

I mean you got CE this tier no?

[ocean quiver]

Yeah first time

[warm vortex]

Many people would consider that high end

[ocean quiver]

That's what I mean, I don't normally do it

[warm vortex]

Ah gotcha

Yea if I do high end I do M+

P much got 3.2 but stopped playing like 1 or 2 months ago

[ocean quiver]

I only did it because my guild needed a boomie replacement so I joined to help them, then they asked me if I wanna stay for CE so I did

The thing that put me over the edge was the "need to kill mythic boss to buy mythic item"

[ocean quiver]

holy

[warm vortex]

Guild I’m in tries to do mythic stuff but we usually don’t get too far

[ocean quiver]

the last time I pushed high end was season 3?or2 dragonflight as aug

and rogue

[warm vortex]

Fair

[ocean quiver]

I got 2.9k on rogue and 3.1k on aug

[warm vortex]

Tbh MM apparently like
Loves the 1 button thing in m+

Like aoe is a 12% dif from playing perfectly or smth

[ocean quiver]

and now I can't stop alting this season

[warm vortex]

So I could probably play that and be fine

[ocean quiver]

Yeah not a fan of it

like on boomie which is my main this season

[warm vortex]

No shot you got the name robux

[ocean quiver]

it just spams dots even at max cap

[humble verge]

tf is this

[ocean quiver]

yessir

[ocean quiver]

?

[warm vortex]

I mean I have some names I’m shocked I have

[ocean quiver]

not exactly og names but

wanted simple names for all my crafters

[warm vortex]

Ruben, sulfur, maltesers, phobos

[ocean quiver]

sulfer is pretty nice

Are you also on silvermoon eu?

[warm vortex]

Nah
Quel'thalas

[ocean quiver]

I used to play on there when I first started the game

a friend who played the game said "come on this realm i'll give you gold and stuff"

It was dead

[warm vortex]

It is

[ocean quiver]

he plays it because he just farms cosmetics

like the world mounts and stuff

[warm vortex]

But i don't mind tbh

[ocean quiver]

so no one is in the places he needs to be

[warm vortex]

Cause you can still play with other EU realms

[ocean quiver]

at the time when I started it wasn't

[warm vortex]

It's just the relm itself is dead, but honestly it doesn't impact me too much

[ocean quiver]

no cross-auction, guilds

so trying to buy legendary in shadowlands

[warm vortex]

Yea

[ocean quiver]

I was paying like 150k per

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[ocean quiver]

and draenor it was 7k

[warm vortex]

THat's just a shit mechanic in general

[ocean quiver]

Yeah

[warm vortex]

The SL leggos

[ocean quiver]

Main reason I moved to high pop realms was because of stuff like that

[warm vortex]

And tourghast
and launch covenents
and condiut energy (even if it didn't effect too many people)
and having 4 seperate zones you had to take a flight master to
and the idea of anima
and the maw

ok just all of Sl

[ocean quiver]

I was thinking of just levelling 7 more characters and doing professions on them on lower pop realms and just dominate market ezpz

[ocean quiver]

my favourite expac tho

ngl

[red schooner]

We had the necrolords though. Best friends.

[ocean quiver]

night fae

assassin rogue

sheesh

[warm vortex]

Tbh im a giga zoomer

Only played BFA - now

[ocean quiver]

I started in Shadowlands

[red schooner]

Nah fuck the meta necrolords were chill

[ocean quiver]

end of season 1

[red schooner]

sometimes you gotta just hang with the bros

[ocean quiver]

my rogue was renown 80 with necrolord

[warm vortex]

I played necro cause it was cool

and was at a disedvantage for that

[red schooner]

ye same

[ocean quiver]

the shield was kinda op in pvp

but the nf one shot was fun

[warm vortex]

Srsly i can't get over the flight master stuff

[ocean quiver]

go into bgs and just 1 shot people

[warm vortex]

Like it was so obnoxious

[red schooner]

sometimes just gotta choose for the vibes

[warm vortex]

It felt like 10% of SL was just flight paths

Also i know this is completly unrelated to wow but just had a baby in stardew les go

[ocean quiver]

real

[ocean quiver]

I don't play that game but congrats

[cunning harness]

how can i consistently be getting those 15m-20m envenoms on my opener?? half the time it's a 5 million crit instead and i feel like i'm doing everything the same

[spice spire]

Grats on fuckin

[ocean quiver]

20nm?

[cunning harness]

sometimes 14m, but the pointbeing. NOT 5 mil. lol

[ocean quiver]

the highest envenom i've hit is like 15m

and that's during big momma phase

💀

I consistnatly hit between 4m

[cunning harness]

I got a 45mil on Vexie during her burn phase, so that would've been a 22mil

I can get 14-15mil on openers. Sometimes. Just not others

[ocean quiver]

what ilvl are you

that is insane

[cunning harness]

673

[ocean quiver]

i'm 670

I never hit that high

I must be noob ;(

[cunning harness]

😦 no help for bumflaps ic

i feel like it has something to do with stacking envenoms, like it falls off at the exact wrong second or something

[ocean quiver]

sorry

if I could help I would

my envemon this pull

😢

[cunning harness]

well you're doing bleed build is why

4 poison build enables big dick envenoms

4m-6m sounds right for bleed build

[ocean quiver]

oh

okay I see

[dense cedar]

I kinda want blizz to make the bad choice of bringing back agonizing poison

I miss it

[real pike]

on Gally do people spread rupture on the adds

while waiting for boss in p1

[pure moth]

Might as well especially if youre doing nothing else.

[balmy condor]

Welcome to assa

[wise kite]

we playing bleed on m+ all the way or is hybrid an option still?

[balmy condor]

all 3 are fine

[frozen glacier]

whispyr can you apply to blizzard to be the rogue lead dev please thank you

[ocean quiver]

sorry i'm the lead rogue dev now

and i'm gonna make it unplayable

caustic spatter getting removed

no spread aoe bleeds

tempest removal

80% damage nerf

gonna be on the level of healer damage

[dense cedar]

sounds perfect ty

[ocean quiver]

Anytime brother

[humble verge]

when is the mount % boost

this tuesday/wednesday?

[flint crag]

Hi all, When do you typically play Bleed vs Hybrid? I've read through the guides, but I'm curious to hear what you all prefer and how you approach it in practice.

[novel star]

i never play hybrid

[humble verge]

yeah but youre our queen, the bleed queen

[red schooner]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[novel star]

bleed or cleave

but most of the time bleed

idk

cleave is more fun u just can’t play it most keys

with an arcane or some shit

theres nothing to kb

so u just go spectator bleed build

even in like 17s 18s idk

hybrid feels kinda fake to me

boss tickler pov

boss massager

[flint crag]

that bad?

[balmy condor]

bleed and hybrid st are pretty close

cleave gets played in giga keys cause of the boss damage

bleed has timed +20's

play whatever you think is fun

[novel star]

for me hybrid sims notably lower st but it’s not like the end of the world

i just don’t see the point

except dopamine from having cds instead of just doing the same shit every pack

but whatever

[wise kite]

[novel star]

it’s always either a low enough key where mobs don’t live kb anyway or it’s a higher key with arcane or dark ranger or some shit and mobs don’t live kb

suffering cd

i should be able to rup and kb myself

caustic self harm

[runic hinge]

ST cds are just self harm

[hidden bay]

self harm to read here sometimes!!!!!111111111

[real pike]

Might be blasphemy but I hope hybrid is better next season cause I way prefer slamming KB

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor stop being cute or i have to call the police

[grim jay]

Based

It got worse ever since we got m+ representation

(quite some time)

[hidden bay]

facts

[hallow glade]

start praying for fatebound to be good next season

kingsbane hits really hard with new tier

[grim jay]

They need to do quite some tuning for that

And work on hero talents

[hallow glade]

seems okayish

[grim jay]

[hallow glade]

these were small pulls

[grim jay]

Fatebound is just strictly worse on anything thats aoe

[hallow glade]

idk the tier seems good

good bit of st in the new raid

like 3 mostly st fights

[grim jay]

He was talking about m+ tho

[hallow glade]

i did fatebound on soulbinder and sub and fatebound did more

[real pike]

feel like raid is going to be a mix between DS and FB depending on CD timings

[hallow glade]

sub might be a little stinky rn though

[digital venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

just press it bro

[last skiff]

No

https://tenor.com/view/i-wont-i-will-not-nope-i-wont-do-it-not-me-gif-14552421

[real pike]

I miss pressing SnD

[main bridge]

i do not

one of my favorite parts about sin is how i do not have anotehr buff to upkeep

[real pike]

that one press a fight really hit the spot

[buoyant herald]

Would be nice to see more support from FB tier for bleed builds, extra long KB is gonna make it even harder get full value from in all but the highest keys

[acoustic kite]

Mmmm I love having 5 seconds left on kb when prio mob dies

[buoyant herald]

Just give KB damage the sudden demise treatment 🥵

[real pike]

Corr

[grim jay]

Yeah will be really bad

For the 3 people that grief themself with fatebound in m+

[royal hazel]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[old halo]

i like playing fatebound in pvp and in low m+ but to much rng for high keys or raids

[wise kite]

gambling addiction

[lethal finch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund jungle]

Atrophic poison stacks right ?

[normal mist]

iirc yes

due to it being bugged

[worthy rose]

how much are you guys charging noobs for clears of dungeons?

in trade chat in wow gold of course

i think me and my friends are undercharging 50k for a 10 or bulk deal of 150k for 4 10's

250k for 4 12's or 13's for noobs to get 3k

[buoyant herald]

I’m just happy to find enough guildies to do a weekly key these days 🤣

[worthy rose]

my and my irl friends have got 4 people between us

so we might as well make some gold if we're gonna have to carry someone for our weekly clears LOL

it becomes such a fkn chore too in game tho

8 dungeons to get all 3 slots for dungeoning

and if you have multiple alts thats an insane commitment

[grim jay]

communities charge 110k for a 10 in time

[royal lantern]

none because boosting is cringe

only thing im boosting is Rat Alts

https://tenor.com/view/rat-eat-animal-lettuce-upclose-gif-27030548

[main bridge]

[worthy rose]

110k for a SINGULAR 10?

[grim jay]

yes

[worthy rose]

fuck

we been undercharging heaps

[main bridge]

50k wouldn't even be worth my time

[grim jay]

its 50k:4

so not even 50k

[worthy rose]

yeah

[fleet pagoda]

12.5k each

[worthy rose]

sometimes 3 way split sometimes 4 way

fuck

been undercharging too much

i cry

[fleet pagoda]

I'm sure your local trade chatters appreciated your charity

[grim jay]

Now calculate how much you missed over the weeks

[main bridge]

bro is World of Warcraft rat make a wish

[worthy rose]

we only started recently

coz we wanted to make some money while doing our own vaults

fuk

but we been undercharging way too much in this case

you know hilariously

both my dk and rogue are still stuck on motherlode 12

i could get resilient 13 or 14's if i got a motherlode done

[fleet pagoda]

if you do like 10 more sales with your friends you could just buy one for yourself

[grim jay]

Its alright friend.

[worthy rose]

i swear tho

fuckin motherlode

its always the minefield at the end that gets pugs

[grim jay]

I mean you are still better off than me. Im still around even if I need to wake up in 5 hours, because heat fucked my sleep

Over the last few days.

[grim jay]

Im glad I didnt pug for a while

[worthy rose]

same

i stoppe dcaring about pushing

i just do my vaults these days

cant believe im still waiting on mythic shoulders on my rogue

been weeks and i keep getting offspec loot

[waxen oyster]

do i need to have the runs done with rio app open to submit this btm entry for the banner

rare sub key

but all shaman specs are banned

[worthy rose]

oh shit

offspec meta runs

this is my time to shine as rider of the apocalypse unholy

summon my homies and go afk

[waxen oyster]

its banned by spec

[worthy rose]

fuck

[buoyant herald]

Seems kinda lucky that outlaw is allowed for btm, I guess so few play it

[waxen oyster]

all monk specs are allowed

[buoyant herald]

What healer specs are banned? Just disc and resto sham?

[waxen oyster]

yeah is rsham that good even?

thought people just ran it for skyfury

[buoyant herald]

Nah it’s very good

Just gets lost amongst the high key meta as per usual

[waxen oyster]

i swear i never see enh

[buoyant herald]

Me either, fell off hard along with Aug I guess

I’m sure I see more ele than enh this season

[waxen oyster]

they're probably the most fragile melee

after surv

or more

[buoyant herald]

That would make sense with no aug to prop them up defensively

[nova kelp]

Yeah that mail armour is basically paper

[waxen oyster]

tbh its not about armor type

although ele/resto do have more armor via a shield

[nova kelp]

It sort of is. Like not directly. But because of baseline design the end result is that leather peeps tend to have wild defensives. Mail sorta retained a legacy of NOT getting great defensives or passive survival

[buoyant herald]

There are very few damage events that armor from mail or shield will help in a meaningful way sadly

[nova kelp]

Mail armour classes have typically had a habit of being fragile

[waxen oyster]

besides evokers

because, reasons

[nova kelp]

TYPICALLY

[waxen oyster]

i forget what dh has

besides magic dr passive

blur has eaten a fair number of nerfs

[nova kelp]

Mass leech. Good on demand defensives

But mass leech has a lot to say overall

They don't struggle much with rotting out

[waxen oyster]

yeah 20% meta leech is nice

[nova kelp]

Like dks

[waxen oyster]

it used to be 100% in legion

reminder

dks somehow got reworked to be absolute gods at living

[buoyant herald]

It’s called AMS

And almost spammable death strike

[nova kelp]

Some will be like "but sham can just heal?"
And it's like... They CAN I guess but unlike crazy leech they STOP doing their main roles to do it. And it typically sucks outside of proca etc

And hunters are like "I guess I just die? Or pretend to die?"

[buoyant herald]

Instant buffed maelstrom surges are actually very strong for enh but it won’t help with one shots and yeah you lose all your damage

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

its funny to look at how much they tweaked dh leech

over the years

[waxen oyster]

will of the necropolis also used to be blood only

putting a tank node on a general class tree is a choice

[granite tusk]

Im trying the bleed build for first time but i think im not doing it correctly cuz i've seen rogues which first or 2nd source of damage is Sudden Demise

It was a 13 ML just to try it out, any tips on cooldown usage? specially with shyv, tea and vanish, im coming from cleave build and those CDs are lined up with KB so i dont have to worry about how to manage them

[hallow glade]

You can shiv during death mark and when targets are <35% for sudden demise

You can also vanish to reapply bleed when targets are entering execute range if you’re a mega rat and wanna have big sudden demise

[spice surge]

You generally shouldnt really be optimizing around demise

But another key thing to making your demise bigger is to do lower keys

[hallow glade]

Sudden demise is about making the other dps have less fun

[granite tusk]

As i understand, demise "explodes" when enemies go lower than 35% hp so i try to shyv and tea when they are at 40% or so

[worn geyser]

demisemaxxing in low keys is what its all about , all the mobs 30% hp? fuck it vanish reapply that CT and ruptures watch them boom

[hallow glade]

You just do more bleed damage when they’re below 35% so you’re effectively buffing that damage, and sudden demise is like a happy little bonus

[buoyant herald]

The higher key you go and the longer stuff lives, the lower the demise damage will be, that seems fine for a 13 if you weren’t degen and playing to maximise it

[granite tusk]

So i should vanish and reapply rupture and garrote in AoE to get big demise numbers?

[worn geyser]

if u wanna epeen, its not optimal for timing the key tho

[granite tusk]

I played standard

[hallow glade]

I kinda just depends, if you are gonna cap on vanish charges and you can do it, why not?

Better than letting bleeds fall off

[granite tusk]

No, im not a big fan of padding, i prefer to play optimal for the key but i was wondering if my numbers were OK or not

[hallow glade]

But playing around sudden demise like that is definitely padding

Numbers are fine

[worn geyser]

i dont have a low key break down but urs looks fine, maybee spatter a little low , tbh u shouldnt be thinking about demise at all

[granite tusk]

Another thing that wondered me is that my max AoE burst was 8M meanwhilei can burst 18M with cleave

Do i need to do something special in AoE opener?

[worn geyser]

not particularly, it depends on the level of key but in high keys i do like ambush gar rup ct gar gar rup - mut dm envenom spam

[granite tusk]

Ok so u CT earlier than me

I CT when my subterfuge window ends

Mby thats why my spatter damage is lower cuz i mutilate later than with hybrid build

[hallow glade]

You don’t need the full very long subterfuge window to spread ruptures, mainly want it so that you have at least 5 ruptures out on targets that won’t die like very quickly, and then ct and then caustic + envenom spam

[buoyant herald]

I can usually get up to 14-15m with bleed on a biggish pull, I think you probably want to get CT up earlier

[waxen oyster]

I mean you do considering its your fattest dot

[hallow glade]

Ct kinda fat

But caustic also still does a lot especially in higher keys

Even in bleed

Darkest night is still really important once bleeds are spread

[worn geyser]

tbh low keys u can just ambush gar rup ct fok(pray for 5cp, mut here if no 5cp) , rup, mut(if not done earlier) --> evenom spam to get burst out a lil faster

[granite tusk]

Thanks you all so much for ur time, will test it better tomorrow. Have a good night boys! 🙂

[worthy rose]

yeah bled build goes insane on big pulls

its like unholy

[hollow talon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[static glacier]

Im fairly sure spatter based builds win out on very high target counts

[keen spruce]

I’d imagine it depends more on how long the pack lives not pack size

Source: I made it up

[still dagger]

for bleed ST, am I playing around sanguin blades at all or am I still pressing buttons?

[hidden bay]

Press buttons

[still dagger]

kk ty

wasnt sure if the dps increase from sb was worth sitting around for energy or not

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure its a minor gain to not press anything over slamming filler envenoms

[buoyant herald]

the !command says only for a few seconds before KB

[candid anvil]

Hey guys, please is it possible to add TTK tracking to luxthos WA somehow? I'd like to see the duration of both stacks of envenom...
Also I read somewhere about CT snapshot, is that a thing? Or just for MA builds?

[balmy condor]

you can grab a ttk tracker from lisonna's collection here and then put it in I guess

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

CT snapshots the bonus damage from follow the blood, as well as the bonus damage on the target-count multiplier

other than that it's dynamic

[candid anvil]

That helps a lot, thank you ❤️

[gloomy heart]

wish whispyr would snapshot me

[grim jay]

The command is for raid

And doesnt always include unimpactful minmaxes

For other builds

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[gloomy heart]

LOL, hope he gifts me a monster

[nova kelp]

white monster

nectar of the gods

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-saiyan-goku-gif-5009523

tfw you drink white monster

[red schooner]

Nah he's glowing green, clearly an ultra paradise drinker

[grim jay]

Nah, clearly drinking what im drinking rn

[red schooner]

I'm on the white monster today only due to supermarkets and limited options

[grim jay]

ULTRA GOLDEN PINEAPPLE

Its goated, but only if its cold

Paradise still the best tho

[red schooner]

Ultra paradise is best but ye, supermarket has a very bad selection of energy drinks

[grim jay]

We have every single Monster version under the moon

One supermarket even has a whole row only for energy drinks

[royal lantern]

found the big city guy

my rural ass shops have like 3 at best

[red schooner]

My only options at my shop for sugar free energy drinks are white monster, sugar free red bull or the supermarkets own brand energy drink called CHRG

And CHRG terrifies me

[ripe bobcat]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

CHRG is the sound you make during the energy drink based heart attack

[red schooner]

Exactly. Probably laced with cocaine or something

[balmy condor]

mein aldi hat lewis hamilton monster und sonnst kack

leben in der pampa hat eben seine nachteile

[gloomy heart]

ENGLISH?

[balmy condor]

I said your pfp looks like ass and you smell weird

[red schooner]

Yeah but your Aldi doesn't have CHRG

So, who's winning now

[gloomy heart]

MY PFP IS COOL MAN

[balmy condor]

is that what your m+ group tells you? the same group that takes you for the raid buff?

rogues may not get invited but at least we know that we're wanted for who we are and not the color of our class

you absolute fucking loser

@thick brook too

[winged sun]

His pfp is a cat that plays csgo

Coolest pfp i saw all year

[gloomy heart]

us mages are very cute and wonderful to be with, sorry that you rogues have been neglected for one season, kekw couldn’t be me

[balmy condor]

verymadge

[gloomy heart]

this guy gets it

[hallow glade]

Why I my guild applicant catching strays hahahaha

[balmy condor]

one more edit and it'll be a full sentence lil bro

I believe in you

[hallow glade]

Bwhshehdbehhdbehehe

[gloomy heart]

LEAVE MACRANT ALONE HES THE ONLY PURE SOUL WE HAVE LEFT

[balmy condor]

you should see our dms, that man a freak

nothing pure about him

[hallow glade]

Should he pass his trial

[gloomy heart]

Yes

Make him #1 loot prior

prio

[balmy condor]

idk he didn't get the first mugjug and then quit the guild cause of it

lore accurate, do not check our OAB pull count

I would never lie

[hallow glade]

Was he in your guild whispyr

[gloomy heart]

Valid reason

[balmy condor]

yes

[gloomy heart]

No mug jug prio is criminal

Now he can mug on my jug

[hallow glade]

Is he stinky

[balmy condor]

only because he's sweaty as hell

[gloomy heart]

nah he plays laid back feet up

[balmy condor]

bro makes his own bathwater with all the sweat oozing off that man

[gloomy heart]

this is copium you just miss him

[balmy condor]

heard his wife tore up the hardwood and replaced it with a moisture-wicking carpet just to avoid spending all that money on towels

[hallow glade]

He is a slippery lad

[gloomy heart]

bro is married and still outparcing us

Just built diff

[balmy condor]

he's actually unc

[gloomy heart]

least he isn’t boomer unc

[hallow glade]

The gods will decide his fate

[rotund oak]

truth been spoken

[balmy condor]

no gods will hear his cries

[rotund oak]

(not that there are any)

[gloomy heart]

NOOOOOOO

What would rogues be without mages

Just stinky yellow men

[rotund oak]

actually its the other way around,wasnt for rogues to let mages freecast

with all the control

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/utopia-heaven-utopian-dreamy-waterfall-gif-18476819

[rotund oak]

mages would get railled by anything

[balmy condor]

the world without mages

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but mage discord looks like a f@kin' graveyard

[royal lantern]

we have a new trial

outlaw otp, didnt do the raid on mythic yet

should i tell him about killing spree on sprocket or not

[primal jolt]

every discord is a shit except this one personally

[rotund oak]

let him deathlog parse

[primal jolt]

you guys are great

[red schooner]

I've only been on this one and the druid one and the druids concern me

Though they cooked on their server icon at least

[primal jolt]

this is probably the most helpful class discord in the entire community

sadly

[royal lantern]

druids are either Stoners, insane, or the most normal people in the world

no inbettwen

[grim jay]

Globus ftw.
Rewe and Dornseifer have quite some too tho

[red schooner]

When I first said I was going to rogue discord my guild said it was toxic as hell. This place is pretty chill.

[gloomy heart]

why do you think i’m in here dood

[rotund oak]

well u got a point

[red schooner]

Feral don't even have a cat thread, missed opportunity

[gloomy heart]

I love rogue discord

mage discord is a bunch of old men arguing

[primal jolt]

i heard it smells pretty bad In the outlaw channel

[royal lantern]

and we are a bunch of old men horny posting

[grim jay]

Rogue discord is only ever toxic if you repeatedly ask stuff thats in the guide or pinned and think that its toxic to get told exactly that

[rotund oak]

mage is when uve solved all ur problems irl and u argue about the neighbours trees in his backyard

literally nonsensical

also their sims are whack

[primal jolt]

can someone drop me a guide on how to be an S tier class every season please ty

[hallow glade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-gif-25592479

[primal jolt]

(sin only)

[red schooner]

Yeah, other than that this place is chill. Too busy dooming at the state of rogue to argue with each other

[grim jay]

Wish we could swim there naked and kiss on the small rock above the waterfall

[grim jay]

Maybe they went to the outlaw channel

[balmy condor]

I don't wanna sim

but I must

how do I overcome this philosophical dilemma

[grim jay]

I sometimes do that, not the trees but similar

[grim jay]

Reward yourself with a Monster for every sim you run

[runic hinge]

They just post cats in the main channel

[gloomy heart]

Mage is super enjoyable 🙂

[red schooner]

But I need my cats condensed into one easy to read place

[balmy condor]

that's like 100 monsters

[red schooner]

[grim jay]

... Yes?

[primal jolt]

ngl the lemonade monster is quite nice i usually just get the 0 sugar white one

[grim jay]

You can do 2 per sim if you like

[red schooner]

After 100 monsters you can run the sims in your head

You'll have ascended

[grim jay]

After 200 Monster you just turn into an UHDK

[primal jolt]

[rotund oak]

dont get me wrong but ive never rly argued about anything outside my work,never gossip,its just as bad as fear.Making sht out of nowhere about ppl and things u dont know

[primal jolt]

i overheard sapzilla messes up his opener sometimes

its probably true

[rotund oak]

wdym

i always do

[grim jay]

I only talk about stuff I do know, so its fine. Also I only talk to people that are affected aswell.

[rotund oak]

i mean i can accept the later

[grim jay]

He's still reading his notes off of a stonetablet. They had nothing but stones and cavewalls back then

[primal jolt]

figured

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

If you ever asked yourself who wrote down everything in history and why we know how it was thousands of years ago

Its because we have sap

[rotund oak]

oh f@ck its down to my age again

[primal jolt]

this might come off as a shocker, another spicy gossip, whispyr doesn't parse 100 every single pull

[red schooner]

Slander

[primal jolt]

spreading gossip like crazy today

[halcyon flame]

Hello , Ive been playing rogue since wotlk ,stopped playing it after bfa ,played different classes in shadowlands and dragonflight ,then I wanted to try playing rogue again in war within ,I love playing assa and sub ,tried to play sub ,its horrible ,tried playing assa its decent ,but in raid I feel like Im doing something wrong ,after the initial burst I starve for energy all fight till the end ,unless I manage my resources ,but at the end the dps isnt that great ,idk what to do ,but I wanna improve

[red schooner]

Running out of energy is normal

[primal jolt]

just compare your opener to the one on wowhead

if you got logs

[rotund oak]

hello friend,if u can provide a log there are ppl that can check up on you if u are doing something wrong and provide solutions

plenty here to help

just post here,we can tag quake to thread it

[grim jay]

Wdym again, I didnt do that for atleast a week or two

[halcyon flame]

I havent really logged or something since rn its not my main ,but I want to go back to rogue in s3 ,I will check first some logs from other people and see what Im doing wrong\

[grim jay]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[rotund oak]

its better if u can get a log including you so we can have a good view of what you are doing wrong

first step is understanding the mistake 😉

[waxen oyster]

assa in wotlk was much slower

[royal lantern]

assa in WotLK was 2 buttons

[waxen oyster]

sub design is kinda chill rn

bugs aside

[halcyon flame]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JyVCPDcgvGqap687?fight=50&type=damage-done&source=1067

There is a gallywix fight

[waxen oyster]

Though i did a key for the btm banner and pug tanks that dont pull big are pain

[grim jay]

Every spec in wotlk?

[primal jolt]

well no, arcane was 1 button

[rotund oak]

dont wanna re ignite any classic interests but this version of assa in mop

is gonna be wild

[waxen oyster]

time to play unholy with 2 buttons

one is a castsequence dt and vampstrike macro

other is the single button assistant

[rotund oak]

basicly the game playing for u

[halcyon flame]

A friend used a script that would spam the buttons he pressed as unholy

to bypass spellqueue slow answer

[rotund oak]

a script cant bypass that though

[halcyon flame]

Probably ,but I did it once and pressing buttons felt more smooth

[rotund oak]

so spellqueue is changed and regulated manually,its basicly how u set up the time each spell queues after another

there are many scripts that function on spwcific sequences but the time a spell is queued cannot be changed like that

if it does

im not aware of that

[junior goblet]

what level key do people generally need to swap from cheat death to elusiveness? Im running +14s now and i feel like a wet noodle. the number of times i die to unavoidable damage is embarassing at 680 ilvl -- i use feint whenever i know there is big AOE coming, but im still falling over

[balmy condor]

probably like 10-12

[junior goblet]

gtocha, guess im a little behind then. i feel like im babysitting my health bar more than my bleeds sometimes

[grim jay]

Id just generally play elusiveness in m+, no matter the key level

Some people just refuse to use it tho

[golden loom]

well for aoe, elusiveness does nothing for feint

[balmy condor]

there's too much stuff that cheat makes useless

like you get hit with a dot

gg cheat

[midnight mist]

cheat is great to learn dungeons tho

[balmy condor]

fucking dogshit talent

[midnight mist]

in noob keys !

[balmy condor]

yah except you just eat things in those keys

[midnight mist]

ye !

you dont know how high I pushed cheat death with killing spree

i wouldnt let it go

too hard to play killing spree without cheat

[junior goblet]

im scared 😭 but ill lose cheat lol

[rotund oak]

well assuming u are into pirate tech cheat death makes more sense

u can proc once before u die on the next killing spree animation lockout

that thing needs to change

[balmy condor]

not anymore!

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

do you not like new killing spree

I mean aside from it being like a 5 min channel or whatever

that's obvious

[red schooner]

I'm waiting for whispyrs tier set writeup, gonna be some top tier further fatebound yapping

[balmy condor]

if you've seen the video it's basically a copy paste

[red schooner]

Video was good, though it killed what little hope I had for fatebound this tier

[royal lantern]

set idea really good, other problems make it not really function, fatebound has bad Design that holds it back by default

thats it tbh

[red schooner]

We pray for changes

Though fatebound hasn't been fixed all expansion so, while I don't want to doom too hard, the doom is calling to me.

[rotund oak]

they forgot to add the ''aoe'' section in fatebound

[grim jay]

A problem caused by a problem

But atleast ks is gone and you can now play gunslinger

[hidden bay]

Fatebound rework coming in Midnight

[grim jay]

If they rework fatebound, they can rework outlaw to some cool concept

(like duelist)

So there are 2 cool concepts to work with

[red schooner]

Actually midnight on January 1st 2030, miscommunication

[broken lion]

Anyone know if u can shadowstep out of goals on mugzee?

[balmy condor]

you cannot

[broken lion]

tyvm

[midnight mist]

i prefer new ks to old ks (kinda) cause i dont die from it. But it went from the worse ability in the game to the 2nd worse ability in the game

• 5s channel (cant kick/cant cc) where you just afk (as outlaw mind you)
• random targeting so you lose prio daamge

Doubling its cd instead of trying to fix it another way let alone didnt fix any of the issues with ks but also comeplty bricked trickster so

[hearty seal]

yeah like full time gunslinger
seems obvious by now, like the only melee moves left for Outlaw are SS and Dispatch

[balmy condor]

yeh that's fair enough

[royal lantern]

i mean, the Double cd part is probs cus they want Killing Spree to hit somewhat harder

[hearty seal]

5s channel? smh wtf

[royal lantern]

and lower cd = lower total dmg is kinda how it works

but the rest, yeha

[midnight mist]

to compensate they would need to buff ks so that its doing about 20% of your damage in st rn

[grim jay]

They should let the channel scale really hard with haste

[midnight mist]

to compensate all the lost from trickster hooks

[royal lantern]

dont have to tell me that, just saying what i think their intention is

[hearty seal]

tbh I don't know why they gave it the increased channel time, KS is already like a 2s chennel is it not?

[midnight mist]

ye i understand the intention

[midnight mist]

Who know

Outlaw too fast

Gotta go afk for a bit idk

I could just play assa instead if I wanted to afk

Noah fence

[hearty seal]

unironically see the dev going "ok yall complaining that outlaw is too fast, here, have a spell that stops you from pressing buttons"

[midnight mist]

ok who complains about outlaw being too fast other than people that dont play outalw tho

[hearty seal]

also with point gen being overcap
doesn't it make sense to break the channel early?

[midnight mist]

people that plays outlaw plays it cause its fast

[midnight mist]

yes

its currently worth it to cancel it early

[hearty seal]

...smh that's fucking stupid design

like why

why not make it GOOD

why does everything have to come with extra downsides or complications

[midnight mist]

Ye right

Like

New ks slows you by 20%

[hearty seal]

yes

WHY

[midnight mist]

20% is nothing mind you

Idc much

[hearty seal]

yes, but still

why is it there to begin with

[midnight mist]

But it's weird to me you do these kind of things

[royal lantern]

many many many many many people

kinda need to remember that spec channels are small bubbles in the end

most people also dont really like assa being slow, its always used as a huge negative point of the spec

[midnight mist]

intentionally making the ability worse to press

[midnight mist]

ok but people that play assa enjoys that

the main point of outlaw is being fast

thats the whole outlaw thing

if you dont enjoy a fast spec you play something else

if you enjoy fast specs your only option is outlaw

plenty of other specs to play if you dont

[hearty seal]

tbh I'd like for ass to be a bit faster in ST, it's very cool in AoE
I could probably try to get into outlaw if I could get away with not bothering with vanish windows or RtB tracking (wonder what's gonna happen with RtB once the current set is gone)

[royal lantern]

eeeehhhh, plenty of fast specs, outlaw is just an outlier in being even more extreme

[hearty seal]

but I can't duh

[midnight mist]

ok but is that bad tho

is my point

you need specs for everyone

[broken lion]

What other specs?

[fresh kelp]

there must always be a fastest spec in the game

[midnight mist]

outlaw is for (maybe a small) part of a population taht enjoy that

the maniacs idk

[hearty seal]

tbh most other fast specs are less decision heavy, it's like Fire Mage that spams 20 pyros per minute (rookie numbers)

[midnight mist]

but its still a niche taht is being filled

[royal lantern]

for dps? fire mage, fury warrior iirc

tanks in general are fast, prot paladin beats outlaw in button presses

[midnight mist]

Fire mage is a range so that's already a diff niche

Tanks are tanks

[royal lantern]

ye sure

[midnight mist]

The only thing you could compare it to is fury warrior

And it's obviously way different cuase fury is a shit boring spec

[hearty seal]

ye fury is just slamming the glowy button as far as I could tell (Arms ftw)

[fresh kelp]

i feel like ppal is cheating a bit in these metrics since you're just hitting sotr between every gcd

[primal jolt]

hello pumpers

[hearty seal]

same as guardian druid I think
ironfur is on its own CD and you activate it like 30 times per minute in keys (have a bro who just bound it to mouse wheel up and keeps scrolling while playing guardian)

[royal lantern]

thats still a ability you use....?

like, how is that "cheating"

[fresh kelp]

i guess the decision making aspect

you could actually just macro sotr to every ability and it would be fine iirc

[rotund oak]

[keen spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[hearty seal]

tbh at this point I'm dooming about "no big changes in Midnight"

[red schooner]

I am remaining hopeful for slight changes before 11.2

[royal lantern]

why are you dooming about that when we dont even have the release date of the next patch of the current expansion announced

[hearty seal]

gotta get there ahead of the line duh

[red schooner]

Dooming about the last titan changes tbh

[balmy condor]

I'm dooming about how shit rogue is in season 3 of wow 2

[hearty seal]

nah coping for Tinker and 1h pistols for Last Titan

[jaunty notch]

hey! is there a go to race for rogue ?

or it's whatever ?

[hearty seal]

whatever you think looks coolest, tbh

[obtuse furnace]

what spec is best with 1 button rotation guys?

[balmy condor]

between the rogue specs probably assa

[royal lantern]

🦊

[red schooner]

Troll.

(one of us, one of us)

[golden loom]

if season 3 is bad I am almost ready for MoP pre-patch in 2 days

spamming dungeon finder on this warrior class very fun

[marsh fjord]

Guys. if i do all 12's is it possible to get mythic IL loot of the raid with dinars? it's only dungeon stuff right?

[golden loom]

only dungeon trinkets ye

[royal lantern]

canst wait until MoP classic releases and people get told that they cant be warlock #9 in the raid

[hearty seal]

hmmm
I mean troll rogue is on some seasonal achievements and they've been a bitch to find

[royal lantern]

[red schooner]

I go into hiding during them

[marsh fjord]

So if you don't mythic raid i should buy a jastor on HC IL right?

because it requires mythic to be killed

[normal mist]

Basically

[golden loom]

balance is gonna be interesting cause they are doing a bunch of stuff

like bringing in some wod pre-patch stuff for some classes

[rotund oak]

if u arent into highend RWF raiding its irrelevant

if u ask for my personal opinion human or orc

[torpid sparrow]

Anyone know if the dinar vendor stay in game after this week?and if so til Gwen?

[jaunty notch]

thanks

[rotund oak]

cheers

[sick aspen]

what ilvl would you guys recommend for soloing an 8 mask visions?

[normal mist]

The more the better

What ilvl do you have now?

[sick aspen]

655

[normal mist]

Yeah... Get more

665+ I'd say

[sick aspen]

Ok, thanks 🙂

[obtuse furnace]

i am now assassination rogue

[nova kelp]

be a demonhunter, get 500 ilvl, stroll through that shit

lol

[little palm]

Guys I need the rotation for the M+, I don't play from the bfa and I'm starting the M10. I'm using the kingsbane spec

Until yesterday I used bleed spec

If possible, I'd like a guide in Italian

[manic quartz]

just check wowhead guide, you can google translate it to italian, also there is good image version of the rotation so should be fine

[little palm]

Thx

[nova kelp]

I would HIIIIIIIIIIGHLY suggest still using bleed

super wouldn't suggest switching to KB until you're hard pressing high keys and taking ages to push down mobs/bosses

[little palm]

I don't feel well with bleeding, already yesterday I saw that I did much more dps using KB even if I was wrong with the rotation

[subtle tundra]

that means youre playing bleed wrong

[normal kindle]

Outch we need a boost for 11.2 cause we are not goodie goodie ATM

[balmy condor]

has this shit already begun

[red schooner]

Yup

[balmy condor]

ONE day of heroic testing

and we're already doing this shit again

actual fucking braindead degenerate fucks

holy hell

[red schooner]

Whispyr have you chosen a cat name yet

I need to know

Ty

[balmy condor]

no

[red schooner]

[visual sun]

fbissobackmeow

[normal kindle]

i am a fucking braindead degenerate fucks i craft myself a Stilleto cause chatGPT told me to do so ....

[red schooner]

I shall sit here and await the slowmode

[balmy condor]

dude I would put these spreadsheets on the filter

but people screenshot it

how do I filter screenshots

[normal kindle]

haha

[balmy condor]

do I write a bot that image-scans for spreadsheet and insta deletes any image with a screenshot

what will it take

[red schooner]

At a certain point you just gotta go 'it be how it be'

And post a garf

[balmy condor]

I am incapable

[normal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/soulpride-flute-tune-remix-dance-gif-16771622

[visual sun]

bot asked me once to check their latest game dev proj

[balmy condor]

if I'm not mad about stupid bitchless jobless idiots making the dumbest spreadsheets known to mankind and pawning it off as useful data to bait noobs

then no one will be apparently

[earnest remnant]

i can be mad with you, what are we being mad about?

[balmy condor]

it's PTR spreadsheet season again

it's begun

[earnest remnant]

the beta testing sheets? xD

lmao

[balmy condor]

1 day of heroic testing btw

cause they canceled the second day

[earnest remnant]

valid crashout

[balmy condor]

A SINGLE day of heroic testing