assassination

[waxen oyster]

mainly because you really only need 1 rogue

for atro

[lethal arrow]

im the only person in my guild who plays/likes playing rogue

[waxen oyster]

need is a strong word

farm you dont really need it

[worn geyser]

tbh why even bring a rogue u could just bring another dev or mm hunter gg

[buoyant herald]

im oversimplifying it but yeah lol

i definitely could have played better in early bosses

but i wasn't a liability or anything

[haughty flicker]

[buoyant herald]

and did really well on sprocket

[haughty flicker]

played so bad the gm had to reroll to fix it

[buoyant herald]

but yeah came back in for reclear because GM retired to paly PoE

and suddenly im trying to learn stuff while everyone else has had 100 pulls

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats rough for sure

i missed the first day of gally and already felt like shit coming in late, coming in just during reclear would be rough

[buoyant herald]

we actually had 2 rogues at start of prog and the other guy saw the signs and rerolled spriest

immediately 😂

[fresh kelp]

🐐

hero play rolling spriest ahead of bandit ngl

[buoyant herald]

actually though

had a rough time in keys tho poor fella

[haughty flicker]

me gearing boomkin at the start of the tier because i knew we were gonna be getting pissed on

with 0 boomkins

on stix

[buoyant herald]

i have an evoker backup but i just prefer rogue

[haughty flicker]

yeah i'd kms if i had to play boomy for more than one fight

[lethal arrow]

we also had 2 mages at the start of the raid

1 trial 1 main

and the trial backed out super fast

[buoyant herald]

i get it, pretty sure im the only rogue next tier but like

rogue is probably the single most skippable class for raid now

so might still be warming that bench 😂

[lethal arrow]

well

u just gotta make urself unskippable

[haughty flicker]

my guild got another rogue

[lethal arrow]

by being one of the best players

[haughty flicker]

so im fighting for my life now

[native turret]

My first night of trial in a guild in early Dragonflight, I wasn't on the roster for any boss and never acknowledged until after raid was over and asked me how I liked it. I was like I guess it was alright watching, will I get to play next week? And he got so embarrassed.

[buoyant herald]

this is the way, just a bit hard when being under the microscope is super anxiety-inducing lol

[lethal arrow]

well i got nothing if thats the environment

thankfully i just simply improved to the point where im too consistent to drop

[worn geyser]

bro lmfao that is actually crazy did u just sit there the whole raid and not say anything?

[native turret]

I never ended up pulling any boss with that team and they never reached out to me again I think it was mutual yeah that s ass let's move on.

I did, I was not on thr roster I thought maybe I was backup or smth. I was new and stupid

[waxen oyster]

I end up alting dh often since for some reason

alot of havoc players are absolute cheeks

[haughty flicker]

real

i was considering playing dh

but i have a new goal

i am playing one button rotation bm

this was lfr sprocket so good start

spark i see you down there

[buoyant herald]

we've got one tricks in all our melee spots so anyone wanting to reroll is usually locked to range which should play in my favour at least 😂

[ocean quiver]

if you don't get to 680 in 2 days it's gg

[buoyant herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy-wasnt-me-not-me-gif-4930192

[waxen oyster]

fury one trick is a trap

like not dps warrior, fury specifically

[buoyant herald]

i think he's warrior one trick more than a specific spec

[haughty flicker]

do people actually one trick fury/arms

i feel like every war ive met plays both

they just complain if they have to play the one they dont like as much

[waxen oyster]

I feel most warrior mains are otp boomers

or buff rerollers

[waxen oyster]

I’ve seen some

[buoyant herald]

i loved warrior until i got dropped from raid in legion because i was so bad at it and now it's forever tarnished 😂

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

My biggest sin on warrior

is usually ripping aggro

otherwise we good

[haughty flicker]

ive only playing a tiny bit of warrior

[waxen oyster]

cant stop the zug

[haughty flicker]

and my only real memory of it was dying to boon

because i was used to having shadowstep

[waxen oyster]

i played warlock once on farm

i fell asleep mid pull

[static glacier]

ive met a few fury only andies

not found an arms only war yet

[buoyant herald]

fury has historically been the go-to more often than arms i think

[waxen oyster]

its a very easy spec to get into

[buoyant herald]

apparently not for me 😂

but no i know what you mean

i've done TW on it and it's super user friendly

[royal lantern]

they "play" both

aka

fury only unless they are forced into arms screaming

and then suck so hard at arms that they get told to play fury again

[winged sun]

theres no way u play sin rogue with this comp

my guy 150m starsurges and not top overall explains how op arcane is wtf

[hidden bay]

its obvious

you are just bad

battle with vdh for #3

[buoyant herald]

how long to the dryads last?

[polar rampart]

yeah it has to just be the skill diffy

[frozen glacier]

aint no way assassination is competing with tanks 😭

[buoyant herald]

I think what you’re looking at above is when overtuning and undertuning have a baby

[quiet oriole]

Is the tier still bugged?

[winged sun]

what tier

if u mean rogue then no, all rogue specs suck balls

rogue is fucked next tier

[quiet oriole]

[winged sun]

tier set is extremely undertuned it is what it is

aint no 4% aura buff gonna fix any of that

[frozen glacier]

has blizzard ever completely changed a tier set during beta testing like to something completely different

[winged sun]

i dont recall

usually it stays fucked up for the rest of the season

shiv on 4 set is extremely cooked idk how that came in mind

its so useless that amazes me ngl

both sub and sin tier set were never played to see how they feel

[buoyant herald]

They’ve only got budget for 12 QA testers duh

[winged sun]

wouldn't have hopes for rogue this season

if ur playing rogue as an alt, this is the season to take a break from it

[buoyant herald]

Easy way around that

Just be not good enough for it to matter 😎

[solar wyvern]

Zeross sandbagging only to walk in on day 1 with r1 keys

Rogue is bad trust

(its bad)

[runic hinge]

Ptr tuning is a joke always

Dunno why we gotta see daily details about it

[hidden bay]

^

Watch whispyr POV on twitch from raid testing today

Assa was fine in the pulls he had

[runic hinge]

If assa is bad in m+ we just get more CT damage lmao

[hidden bay]

Maybe it’s time to put zeross on ignore

[runic hinge]

Maybe until the patch comes out

Don’t need details and crying about ptr numbers when blizz has been pretty on top of live balance

[hidden bay]

If rogue is shit then it is what it is

So much time left for tuning

[winged sun]

dont care

[fallow canopy]

honestly respect to zeross grind for making the fotm people reroll to something else by dooming

[winged sun]

[fallow canopy]

[hidden bay]

You are a good player no question but you are too mentally unstable

Drjay Syndrom

[haughty flicker]

[winged sun]

rogue bad = mentally unstable

maybe its time for me to block you instead

[haughty flicker]

i have no idea of the context thats just very funny to read

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[winged sun]

sin chat is full of weirdo's nothing has context here

its alright tho

[runic hinge]

Np

[haughty flicker]

honestly why play rogue when i can play one button rotation bm hunter

[main bridge]

well because that's boring

[haughty flicker]

idk im getting a sick satisfaction out of beating people with it

does anything we really do matter

in this life

[main bridge]

yes

i enjoy doing things that make me happy and in that sense, it does matter

and if playing one button BM makes you happy, go for it

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-of-this-guy-disney-cringe-bruhtiktok-ayeyuhaye-fed2fire-gif-20701848

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-guy-get-a-load-of-this-guy-waynes-world-mike-myers-wayne-campbell-gif-12963106

[haughty flicker]

actually though im just seeing how good one button rotation could actually be for the average player

picked bm because its simple enough both for obr to probably work well, and for the average player to play it decently well without it

(and to gear for mm next season)

[dapper cradle]

Holy yap

[haughty flicker]

would it help if i added something for you to goon to

[dapper cradle]

Bro is flapping his gums

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

there you go bud

[hallow glade]

I can’t wait for the xalatath cutscene after dimensius 🍽️ 🥰

[main bridge]

you think she'll take the dogs out?

[haughty flicker]

of course she will

[rotund oak]

my take is xalatath gets smoked by SI:7 and Anduin and the army of light

[haughty flicker]

pretty sure i saw a video of that somewhere

[rotund oak]

where?

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[runic hinge]

Send details

[haughty flicker]

just lfr so far, 647 ilvl

but i expect a similar trend in normal at least, maybe heroic

once i have relevant gear

[main bridge]

that's LFR tho right

not to diminish your accomplishment but you gotta basically AFK not to parse in LFR i think

[buoyant herald]

nah everyone is using 1br now so

gotta up your game

[runic hinge]

Obr must be a godsend for lfr

[haughty flicker]

like i said im expecting it to perform similarly in normal at the very least

but thats also the whole point of this in the first place

to see how well it does

only thing is i need to decide what a fair ilvl to do normal at is

[indigo adder]

something I used to do to make LFR more fun was afk until 30% and see if I could still make it into the top 5, and I'd ususally parse

[main bridge]

haha

[haughty flicker]

yeah a hairless gerbil with early onset dementia could parse in lfr

but thats kind of the point no

a majority of these players would be better off just using obr

[fresh flicker]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[jade abyss]

For raid i holding my shiv charges always for kb? Heard something about "dry shiving" whats this?

[junior goblet]

Could anyone take a look at this and tell me if im simming wrong? i feel like cyrce's shouldnt be ahead of these other rings i selected at this point... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1P21jzcGobS82aztarvi6h

[buoyant herald]

why not

it's giga mastery and bleed loves it

jastors is very strong too even at heroic

[junior goblet]

hmm, okay-- maybe im reading too much into other people replacing it then; maybe they just want more stam at higher keys

[buoyant herald]

i replaced it out of principle

that's half a joke, 681 crafted (mast/crit) and heroic jastors was equal for me so i swapped then

also change your belt away from charged bolts its doodoo

[junior goblet]

oh wow idk where i read bolts lol. i must have had another class guide open

thx lol

[balmy condor]

bolts got fucked

[buoyant herald]

Crystal just stops working

Very cool

The only spec that really likes vers also runs it down in record speed

[balmy condor]

oh I just opened the sim

another victim of double dagger craft

L

[buoyant herald]

It’s possible that he doesn’t mythic raid and hasn’t had another dagger in vault I guess. Head would have been a better craft though if you’re swimming in sparks.

[balmy condor]

ye

I'd love to give the benefit of a doubt

but deep down

I know it's just not knowing better 99% of the time

and it hurts my soul

[spice surge]

Idk they probably should make offhand slightly more valueable, its so ingrained in people to go for weapons first

Most specs gets decent value from their offhand, its strange that its the worst slot for us

[buoyant herald]

im an optimist at heart

always seeing the best in others

but if there was money involved id bet on your suspicion too

[royal lantern]

is it?

[golden loom]

I feel its very strange since Mutilate also hits with both weapons

offhand should be good!

[spice surge]

Yes, since people know weapons are very important its weird theyve decided that the offhand should be almost completely irrelevant

[grand trail]

DS will have hard time in this raid 😄

lot of forced target swapping

[royal lantern]

no i mean is offhand more important for other classes

i kinda had in my head that its w/e for more or less everyone

except caster offhands cus of how casters work

[fresh kelp]

Some melee have pretty strong scaling with it

Enh has decent-strong scaling depending on how big lava lash is at the time

Outlaw’s gun abilities scale with it too so it’s not bad

[golden loom]

Fury also gets decent value from it since its a 2nd big fat 2 hander that gives big stats

[fathom adder]

does rogue have a way to avoid the slow on pvp boss banner in TOP?

[cerulean walrus]

Just shadowstep to someone

[zenith elm]

I'm in normal raid

[normal mist]

[zenith elm]

I feel like i'm doing dogshit dmg and idk why

Like hunters are doing 50 percent more dmg

[balmy condor]

sounds like a pug normal raid

[zenith elm]

Yes

[buoyant herald]

hunters just burst to 50m dps and never come down by the time a normal boss is dead

[royal lantern]

vanish should remove the slow for its 3 seconds iirc?

[dreamy birch]

For bleed build, in st, what wowhead says is that if all my bleed on are the target and not about to expire and no darkest night, i should stay above 50% energy ? I tried this but it feels weird, looks like im casting nothing

[normal mist]

because you arent

[dreamy birch]

Sleep build

[zenith elm]

Doing your taxes build

[balmy condor]

slow spec is slow

[normal mist]

no shot

real?

[balmy condor]

big if true

[solemn echo]

Sanguini bleedini,

[solemn echo]

Let's you get some work done round the house 👍

[dreamy birch]

Glad i created a rogue
Maybe i wont lose my wife and kids, ty blizzard

[normal mist]

you know you can just press N and respecc right?

[primal jolt]

i love garf sit

[red schooner]

[royal lantern]

[snow hamlet]

[zenith elm]

[royal lantern]

ah yes

a new whisp video about the raid

aka "45% of the video is him ranting about fatebound"

[solemn echo]

This is the way

[normal mist]

His TLDR on the start of the video said it all

[red schooner]

Hopefully the new cat shows up on the video.

[misty holly]

He has good points, Fatebound has design problems that should be pointed out.

If people talk about them it's more likely someone at Blizz will take notice and hopefully can make changes for Midnight.

[static glacier]

I mean we’ve gone two tiers with fatebound being a weak option for aoe

God knows I tried to make it work, DS is just stronger, did like 30-50 fatebound keys

[balmy condor]

15 minutes of fatebound ranting in a 30 minute video

what can I say

I'm a slow and passionate man

just ask your mother

[royal lantern]

fatebound being trash like always

[golden loom]

Amazing raid sounds great tho

[earnest robin]

do we use new belt? a´nd with what setting?

[normal mist]

yes

pins

[tulip tiger]

Is Atrophic poison a raid buff? Does anyone else have it?

[golden loom]

its our raidbuff yeah

[grand trail]

dmg profile is actuzally funny

[golden loom]

Mutilate my goat

[grand trail]

just hunt them down

[winged quail]

Autoattacks doing more damage than kingsbane

[upper atlas]

@balmy condor Hey whispyr are you gonna snip the PTR tests into a video or am i watching your vod? 🙂

[red schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tCmSb_HtfY

[upper atlas]

F me, thanks mate

[onyx scroll]

I just want fatebound to be better this tier

[warm vortex]

Every time you post a video i think back to it

Fucking slay king

[red schooner]

So, even with the 90 second cooldowns, we still have to hold for 2 minutes for things to line up

[warm vortex]

Blizzard you are so good at making rogue

[red schooner]

Did they just go, 'yeah sure we make this 90 seconds' without a single thought about how anything else would work

[warm vortex]

Yes

[red schooner]

[warm vortex]

Do you see why i don't play rogue anymore

(Or one of the reasons)

[red schooner]

I'd like to say it'll be fixed but given that fatebound hasn't had tweaks done to it to make it not kill itself in AoE, I have doubts.

[warm vortex]

Also

P sure when i was walking around one of the pools today it was like

40C

[red schooner]

Your only reason is rats.

Which, is valid.

[warm vortex]

Ye

Now that they are making it like

Super zoo based
I'm p sure i could finagle smth to make all my dire beasts rats

The rat king

Also the rat is the main character, hence why they take center stage out of my characters

[loud hearth]

It's not a want, it's a need

[rotund oak]

thats savage

stealing this for future use

[thorn thorn]

Only 15

[sleek vessel]

hey guys, i need some help in ST playing the bleed build

[subtle tundra]

its slow

yes

thats how the spec is

[sleek vessel]

from what i understand, you keep all 3 bleeds up and stay above 150 energy

[subtle tundra]

fuck i cant read the future

[solemn echo]

LMAO

[solemn echo]

Pretty much yeah

[sleek vessel]

i rarely can do anything else then tho, and really... my st target dps is crazy low

[solemn echo]

Correct

Bleed build is beans ST dam

[sleek vessel]

like, beans beans 😄

[winged sun]

Start of season = but it sims more than kingsbane

now nobody plays it

[sleek vessel]

the problem i have with the kingsbane build is that my target dies way too fast to cleave with cosmic spatter from it

and then it feels useless after

[solemn echo]

Aren't you an outlaw main now? xdd

[winged sun]

[solemn echo]

Hahahahahaha

[winged sun]

I play all specs

[solemn echo]

I know :p just stirring shit

[solemn echo]

That's the trade off in lower keys either you got bleed which does good aoe and zero st, or the hybrid cleave build where you get ST but you need targets tanky enough to cleave off of. /shrug

[sleek vessel]

so basically the solution is: until 16+ you just play bleeds?

[solemn echo]

That's the general consensus

I think this is the command?

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[hasty saddle]

anyone bored willing to help me with simming

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[molten willow]

question yall and good morning hope all is well

Am I supposed to save my thistle tea just for the deathmark window? Or just on cd?

because im finding im getting starved as hell and wondering if maybe by using the shiv and tea macro is messing me up

[storm hedge]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[icy ether]

I personally have seen minor successes holding my teas and not dumping under 50 energy to always have one tea for any kingsbane window

But I also was shivving after KB so take that for what it is

[golden loom]

when are you shivving? during CDS
what happens if you tea during shiv, you get energy and its good
tea goes on CD
tea comes back up from CD when u want to shiv again
boom bam bosh

if using the macro wasnt optimal it wouldnt be recommended

[spark warren]

I was wondering also yeah. I might be doing it wrong? But generally I shiv/tea > kingsbane > shiv/tea again after 6-7s when the effect stops
And once kingsbane is back, so are both shivs and both teas

[mortal wave]

does IC prioritize high hp targets? or do you make sure to put DoT on other high prio targets?

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure it only checks if the target has the dot already

[granite tusk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[molten willow]

im having trouble understanding why everyone be holding at different times when I look at logs

and I see more downtime in dps with me than others

more low valleys

lower than everyone elses and im wondering if thats due to energy starvation

also hows my mog

[golden loom]

I mean that largely depends on which fight

but at the end of the day you are still using your tea charges, and its not gonna make a difference in how the spec feels

so idk

[molten willow]

so I can just send the macro

do you higher skilled players than I use the macro?

or is the macro for those you arent experienced enough to really min max the usage

[golden loom]

literally the sim

uses the macro

thats why its recommended

[molten willow]

lol damn ok cool

figuring nitty gritty is overwhelming

[golden loom]

the rule for tea since they made auto tea was, macro it to shiv and forget that tea even exists

like even if it autoprocs here and there it does not make a dps difference

[molten willow]

I have a question for you

so haste is our worst stat that being said why do people stack high haste im seeing alot of ppl running high haste

[golden loom]

well its not our worst stat

[molten willow]

Does it really make a difference?

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[molten willow]

oh yeh vers is

my bad

[golden loom]

well vers is also good

like for assa, every thing is good, you just use whatever you have that sims the highest

[molten willow]

hmmmm ok gotcha

and if it sims bout the same then it just preference gear

what feels better basically

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q3BhqrXb29c6SvfR79uNXg

[golden loom]

like these are my current stats, and I could change 5 pieces to include higher vers/mastery and drop some haste and it sims within like 0,2%

[molten willow]

mhmm ok so the crit doesnt necessarily have to be super high

[trail scarab]

you play this in m+?

[golden loom]

with this spec you quickly just realize that nothing matters

[golden loom]

nah this is raid stuff

[trail scarab]

ah ok

i would like to have 25% vers in assa too

[molten willow]

just pure flat damage

ye

[golden loom]

this is kinda my m+ gear but idk both are the same

[haughty flicker]

where speed

[molten willow]

yeh ive been feeling that way

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4NzSSizTaSDEUx7JZ3ry3n like idk this is the difference between the 2 gear sets and the major difference is probably the enchants cause even tho they are weak maybe they make that lil difference in patchwerk

[molten willow]

so like are most rogues near max geared around the 2.6mil - 3mil patchwerk sims?

[golden loom]

probably

spec doesnt sim well either way so

[brittle shuttle]

does anyone sim over 2.8? aintnoway

[fallow canopy]

I'm on 2.6 something with no apparent upgrades on the sim

[waxen oyster]

I’m like 2.64

with like 1-2 3k upgrades left

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4vWErEdYA22GkSSfspWU22 massive damage coming in from internal bleeding + MA!!!!!!!

[waxen oyster]

sim fatebound

[golden loom]

I dont even play fatebound on sprocket so no ty 🙂

[waxen oyster]

my guess is highest sim is like 2.65

[golden loom]

nvm I will do it..

[waxen oyster]

with radiant+no ma

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fDVUiiEcHaH6AkRmVxmEUm wow!!!!

[fallow canopy]

humongous real gainz

[waxen oyster]

does mastery outsim crit for you

on belt

[golden loom]

they sim within margin of error

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure they all do

since 6k max

go vers to gamba for a bigger dry shiv

idk if i’ve gotten higher than 20m no damage amps

[granite skiff]

I’m only at 38% mastery anything I can do to bump it up? Change gear gems enchants?

[golden loom]

I've hit 21 or 23m during cds on mugzee

[waxen oyster]

Does more mastery sim higher for you

i dont even remember my stat %s….

[golden loom]

Probably got a higher hit somewhere but that one sticks out to me

Cause it looked silly

[waxen oyster]

when i think about it orcs prob dry shiv smaller

since racial is over by the time of dry shiv window

[fallow canopy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qovzc5LLBxNzMTZUdu4dK1 can't wait to play this on every fight on this tier... oh wait

[fallow canopy]

execute cds go brrr

[vestal cliff]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

surprised your sim likes gally helm

with sprock shoes

[waxen oyster]

Final dm on gally

[barren yarrow]

is anyone testing stuff on PTR?

i have a few questions im unsure of

[fallow canopy]

that 7 min set is doing God's work

[cosmic robin]

even if its troll, did anyone try fatebound on m+? we probably play DTB build instead of bleed?

[icy ether]

what is the hardest rogue spec /gen

[royal lantern]

right now probably outlaw

[icy ether]

ok that makes me feel better

[royal lantern]

but outlaw is no rogue spec

[spice surge]

Just toss them in here

[icy ether]

im doing tank damage as outlaw trying to learn

might just stick to the dagger specs

[solemn echo]

Just gun betterer

[solemn echo]

Joking aside just spending time on dummies building muscle memory goes a long ways

[icy ether]

i do fine on dummies but when I need to apply during a dungeon with movement and kicks and defensive rotations it just disappears

I do shit like double vanish or 1 cp CDG b/c im just panicking

[solemn echo]

Yeah mental overhead is a bit if you are not used to it

Just gotta keep at it it's better with friends so you don't feel like ur inting pugs xd

[wraith sinew]

Hey guys, sorry to ask this but where can I post a log review? I'm looking to improve on Assasination rogue.

[main bridge]

here

also you don't have to apologize for asking!

[royal lantern]

yes, you demand cute pet pics

[solemn echo]

The command is !log iirc

Creates a thread for ya

[restive hawk]

are we just turbo bad on ptr m+ or am i playing that bad because of ping?
im doing less dps than on retail lol

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

What’s your ilvl scaling to

[restive hawk]

710 ilvl in a +12

[wraith sinew]

Ok, I’ve recently started playing Assassination Rogue and I’m still getting the hang of it. I’d really appreciate some help improving.

I know I need to keep track of Crimson Tempest, Rupture, Garrote, Serrated Bone Spike, and the Envenom buff, but I’m not confident I’m managing them properly.

Here’s my log:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DHxA8Ca7MfPzG1bW?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=37

I’m running a build without the Garrote talents, so I’m also wondering:

Do I still need to reapply Garrote after stealth if I’m not specced into the Garrote-enhancing talents?

If anyone can point out what I’m doing wrong or suggest where to improve, that’d be super helpful. Thanks!

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s not actually 710 right, it’s scaling you

[restive hawk]

ye it scales the gear u got up, this is my current equipped gear

[balmy condor]

Oh interesting

Yeh idk, whack I guess

[zenith elm]

I hope i'll improve on those bosses cause i was dogshit on them ☠️

[balmy condor]

Why are we spamming crimson tempest

[spice surge]

Also, i wouldnt recommend playing those talents in a +10, should probably just stick to the bleed build recommended in the guides

House of cards should be macroed to deathmark, not ambush

[wraith sinew]

Uptime I guess, since I have pretty low uptime 50 something percent

[balmy condor]

Oh nah

I would just kinda refer you to a guide

There isn’t really mistakes here, I’d just categorize this as a wholesale misunderstanding of your priorities

Like not trying to be rude but you’re playing one of the most advanced builds that’s designed for 20’s, and then ripping into a 10 with seemingly little understanding of the basics

[wraith sinew]

I a friend of mine recomended the build as it was easier due to "no garrote" talents.

[balmy condor]

Your friend is a dumbass

[fallow canopy]

I wonder if the wowhead guy did a neat priority list with numbers and shit

[worn geyser]

LOL

[wraith sinew]

But I'll hit the guide

[fallow canopy]

that would be cool

[zenith elm]

Would be better for you mate tbh haha

[balmy condor]

Like if your friend said play “no garrote talents, it’s easier”

He knows even less than you do

[golden loom]

what a chad

[fast phoenix]

friend said "here drive this yacht" meanwhile all you have is a drivers license for a honda accord

[balmy condor]

And you should stop listening to him immediately

[zenith elm]

He is an absolute chad who goes against everyone

[balmy condor]

He has knowledge no one else does

[wraith sinew]

OH DAMN he ded hahaha

[zenith elm]

He should be the one writing the wowhead guide, trust

[wraith sinew]

I'll hit the guide sorry but you cracked me up hahaha

[zenith elm]

And then, the secret sauce will be ours

[golden loom]

also when playing the other build, dont be afraid of garrote

its very good in that build

[wraith sinew]

I'll stick to "I'm new" build hahaha

[balmy condor]

Skimming through it I think main thing to get you started is that crimson tempest is a bleed

[fast phoenix]

i wouldnt say its "very good" its just not "bad"

[balmy condor]

And caustic spatter spreads all nature damage including envenom and kingsbane

So the point of the rotation is generally get bleeds spread from stealth -> crimson tempest as a bleed -> cooldowns/envenom

And right now the way you’re playing it’s: maybe spread from stealth, use a burst trinket without my CDs, spam tempest, ignore caustic

[dapper cradle]

One on one coaching from the comcast goat

[wraith sinew]

yeah about the spatter I've caugth myself on some packs not applying it, esp when switching target.

[balmy condor]

Good news is that the bleed build takes kingsbane away from you like I would take the keys away from your drunk friend

So that’s one less thing to think about

And caustic kinda takes a backseat on that

It’s still your filler

[wraith sinew]

This thread turned into a Saturday family roast hahaha

[balmy condor]

But you can’t fuck it up nearly as hard as here

[wraith sinew]

Ok, noted.

[golden loom]

Also as eleem pointed out, dont macro house of cards to ambush, macro it to deathmark
and also remove feint from your stealth

[balmy condor]

Basically bleed build turns into “spread every red button and then when everything has all the red stuff and you don’t know what to do, I guess you envenom/caustic”

[red schooner]

Wait, your friend recommended cleave build as being easier?

Yes I know I'm late to this but also

[balmy condor]

allegedly

[golden loom]

looks funny tho

[balmy condor]

Maybe the friend just got released from a mental asylum

Or relapsed on hallucinatory drugs

You don’t know what bros life is

[golden loom]

the friend: Zeross

[red schooner]

[worn geyser]

his friend pays 10.99\month to zeross private discord tips and tricks

[balmy condor]

Zeross has some takes but even he isn’t far enough off the deep end to say cleave is easier

[wraith sinew]

Idk who that is but sounds like a stand up guy, who knows his stuff hahaha

[red schooner]

The friend: Ryukage

[balmy condor]

Gone not soon enough 🥀

[balmy condor]

High m+ pusher, he’s a regular in here that often clashes due to some… interesting… opinions

[scenic nacelle]

nice vid whisp

[balmy condor]

Ty

[wraith sinew]

Thank you for the tips, guys

[red schooner]

There's at least time for them to tweak fatebound, 90 second sin sounded interesting.

[balmy condor]

Need to tweak fast tbh

I’m not sure blizzard has that agility

[spice surge]

Fast twerking is not blizzards forté

[golden loom]

I looked into the future and I see myself not touching fatebound for another season

[red schooner]

I was excited when I saw the concept.

And then I saw the execution

[balmy condor]

In other news after waking me up an hour and a half before my alarm and chewing up my entire forearm

[hidden bay]

yea haha knows his stuff haha he def. is a based player with no weird takes haha

[balmy condor]

We sleepy now

[red schooner]

You settled on a name yet? Did you go with Envy?

[hidden bay]

Dr Zeross

DrZ

[balmy condor]

My dad didn’t like it wonder why

Other suggestions included Microsoft Visual Basics

JavaScript

[red schooner]

Bea, short for BSD.

Do it.

[balmy condor]

And one person suggested calling her assembly because and I quote “it reminds me of dark times”

[hidden bay]

call her "Node"

[balmy condor]

Call her xfinity and then have her ignore me for 8 months

[hidden bay]

June is almost over

hows your net going

[balmy condor]

Xfinity left me on read but AT&T finished pulling their fiber line across my yard so it’s only a matter of time

The webpage now has a thing that says fiber is coming to my address

[hidden bay]

yea telekom said the same thing like 1 1/2 years ago

"fiber is coming"

apparently it was supposed to be done on may

[balmy condor]

I mean it didn’t say that 2 days ago

Cope

[hidden bay]

i still have to do delve, unlock upgrade and mastery buff thing

i cba playing this game outside of raid

[humble verge]

i just boost

:3

[balmy condor]

HAHA DELVE JAIL

LAUGH AT THIS USER

[hidden bay]

you can do it for me?

:3

[worn geyser]

did u end up doing the normal testing whispyr

[balmy condor]

Today at 10 pst I’m hoping

[hidden bay]

is there testing today?

[balmy condor]

Haven’t heard back from the group but they’re probably not awake

[balmy condor]

No

[worn geyser]

yeah tab target raids hella late

[balmy condor]

Normal is open for the weekend

[hidden bay]

can eu/na play together?

:3

[balmy condor]

Fine for me I’m in the same time zone

Just need them to have space

[balmy condor]

On ptr I believe so

[hidden bay]

last raidtesting i did was Kil'Jaeden in Tomb of Sargeras with Slootbag

[balmy condor]

Sloot’s cool

But yeh, need footage of first 3 at least

[worn geyser]

yee, my guild is skipping normal so im interested on ur next vid on it to see rogue there and ur thoughts on it

[balmy condor]

Probably more of the same

[hidden bay]

since theres no changes it will be same as his last VOD

[balmy condor]

Playing fatebound for 2 pulls, crying profusely, swapping deathstalker

[worn geyser]

probably, the part relating to the 90s trinket especially in testing was so awkward for me to try and test fatebound

[hidden bay]

dont forget the "OMG I HAVE NO 90 SECOND TRINKET"

imagine not having HoC???

[balmy condor]

:(

[golden loom]

its time to dust off the transmitter

and play fatebound on aoe

gkick speedrun

[balmy condor]

I’ll have a Hoc for mythic testing I hope

[worn geyser]

you could even grab a lfr or heroic one since it scales up but ye

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s not like it matters at this point

[dapper cradle]

@haughty flicker the type of guy to peek over the urinal divider on his tippy toes

[balmy condor]

Can’t really play 1:30 to begin with

Trinket or not

[spice surge]

Get them to make CB 40 or 35s instead of 45

Collaterally helps sub

[hidden bay]

tell em that CB cd starts after pressing

😡

[red schooner]

That'd help out for sub as well, more between cd cold blood opportunities

So, good change, SHIP IT

[spice surge]

Well that doesnt matter for sub

[dapper cradle]

Sub fighting for scraps

[hidden bay]

sub irrelevant

only assa matters

[fallow canopy]

[dapper cradle]

Grim

[hidden bay]

glorp feet in my dms may change that

[icy ether]

I lied I'm not even anywhere on dummies now that I have some haste

[worn geyser]

i just want fatebound to get something similar to spatter so its not just omega grief in any multi target fight, its pretty cringe

[main bridge]

[worn geyser]

fuck it make it thematic, envenoming main target throws a fucking pouch of coins at all targets in 12 yards for 40% of dam with reduced damage past 5 targets

[balmy condor]

The coin spatters

[hard river]

giant coin rolls over targets like oab

[hidden bay]

they just give aoe to fatebound, some aura buff

and into midnight a complete rework

[golden loom]

wait hold the phone, make fatebound a support spec? give damage bonus to teammates by rolling coins?

[icy ether]

can fatebound not play splatter

[balmy condor]

The problem isn’t that fatebound doesn’t spatter, it’s that deathstalker has like 4 pure aoe talents that are bonkers

[red schooner]

but also let me aim the coins directly at the mages in the raid so I can stun the fuckers.

[icy ether]

garrote on 3 targets = giga fan/tempest damage is enough for me

[normal mist]

is it tho

[icy ether]

I genuinely don't like fatebound so yea

[normal mist]

oh me neither

[hidden bay]

fatebound way more chill

[icy ether]

both are chill if u dont know what they do

[hidden bay]

word

[normal mist]

guys i need single player games recommendations

[hidden bay]

Bioshock series

[red schooner]

Promise Mascot Agency

[icy ether]

what kind of game

[hidden bay]

World of Warcraft - Delves

[icy ether]

like do u want to lose 18 hours of ur life the way you do in keys?

[normal mist]

i dont do keys

[icy ether]

the way u split

[normal mist]

i dont split

[icy ether]

wtf

[rotund oak]

😂

[hidden bay]

hes busy being a soon dad

[royal lantern]

what games do you like

[icy ether]

most normal wow player

[hidden bay]

buy a console

and burn your pc

[normal mist]

i have a console, ps4, but most games are being launched on ps5

[hidden bay]

[normal mist]

and the best games i've already played them

[main bridge]

many of my friends are enjoying Clair Obscure but it's recommended to play it with a controller if you are on PC

[hidden bay]

buy ps5

[icy ether]

what kinda games do u like tho

[normal mist]

like ghost of tsushima, god of war, horizon zero dawn

^ this kind

also MH

[icy ether]

u like them openworld sandbox games

bad news

[normal mist]

those were the good ones right

i already played them

fuck

[icy ether]

I personally hate the openworld sandbox game genre but death stranding 2 just came out in that category

[main bridge]

you might like Sekiro if you're into those

[icy ether]

sekiro is the easiest souls-game tbh

[royal lantern]

it also isnt one,but allright

people can stop with the fromsoft = souls game ok

[icy ether]

sry it's got all the hallmarks of dodge/parry/openworld

and is fromsoft to boot

[royal lantern]

DMC is a soulslike

[icy ether]

idk never played it

[rotund oak]

i like games like resident evil/silent hill/alone in the dark

actually played and finished every single one of them

also dark souls

was a banger

havent played elden ring though

but the truth is,i would trade any of those in an instant

for a rated 3v3 wow team

pushing for r1

the adrenaline is on a diff lvl

[runic hinge]

True

[royal lantern]

WOW aswell

you dodge circles

parry is thematic

and there is a world you walk in

WoW is a souls game

[runic hinge]

You throw yourself at bosses over and over until you finally kill them. Makes sense

[normal mist]

i have it because of steam family but ive seen the playthrough twice now xD

[humble verge]

LETS FUCKING GO

[tiny thunder]

silver 1?

what a god

[runic hinge]

Proud of you

[lavish swan]

Wait...I just saw a rogue with 315 energy?

[royal lantern]

gnome?

gnomes have 5% more resources as racial

aka mana/rage/energy/whatever

[grim jay]

Build different

A god amongst men

[buoyant herald]

What going to the gym will do for you

[grim jay]

Id personally say its a horror shooter type of game, because randoms are definitely the definition of horror and you wanna shoot yourself

[wraith sinew]

Hey guys, I'm reading the wowhead guide and I have a question : When Deathmark is on CD is it okay to use 1 charge of Shiv + Tea (on macro) with Vanish to refresh garrote and rupture if the fight goes on too long? (using Bleed build)

[grim jay]

What a coincidence

[grim jay]

Vanish without DM just aint it

[cosmic robin]

how to guarantee the opener with lucky coin as fatebound? its kinda coinflip that the first envenom fucks it up before going into DM

[grim jay]

You can do so much more with that in m+

[red schooner]

At the moment, you can't.

With the s3 tier set with cold blood, you can.

[cosmic robin]

oh okay, thats what i am missing on live then

[balmy condor]

You want to line up cooldowns as much as possible

[lavish swan]

For the Horde

[crude helm]

Should I save my 2nd pot in gally for my Zoldycks deathmark? Or send at 5

Or does it not matter

[vestal cliff]

can someone explain to me how to fight council boss like the new soul hunter boss as assa rogue?

[gray raven]

Caustic

[hidden bay]

Deathstalker council talents

Crimson tempest

[vestal cliff]

do i rupture and garrote all 3?

[hidden bay]

One of em is most of the time dashing around the room

Just gotta figure out how to

[hidden bay]

If you fit second pot into execute and full cds, yes ofc

[vestal cliff]

i just dont get what the priority is

[golden storm]

@balmy condor says we’re supposed to use mastery for the new mole people belt. I’m currently sitting a like 70% mastery and haste is simming much higher, should I go for that instead? I’m done with the raid for the season, just doing 12-15s with friends and running the bleed double vanish build because it’s more fun to me.

[vestal cliff]

like do i rupture and garrote all and then CDS?

[balmy condor]

All the stat stuff is fine

Play whatever sims say

[golden storm]

You’re amazing! Thank you!

[normal mist]

No problem

[buoyant herald]

Yeah anytime ❤️

[rain pecan]

I've noticed a lot of assassination rogues switch to sub for mythic gally, is there a reason for this? is assassination not as good, is add damage significant enough that it's worth swapping? something else Im missing?

[buoyant herald]

sub got buffed a couple of weeks ago to be decent again

could just be people trying it out

[stable island]

ehh more like more work for maybe more damage on sub and/or the sin rogues are having a hard time getting enough caustic damage on adds to make it worth it

[buoyant herald]

true, sub does seem to be the best performing spec now

on mgally

[stable island]

also depends if the group is having issues with add damage they might switch to sub for more consistent damage on them

not consistent but more

like bingus doubled the next highest dps on his parse on add damage

[buoyant herald]

that sounds like letting bingus parse lol

but yeah

[stable island]

probs but yeah

[buoyant herald]

sub also always better for add burst

if needed

[hidden bay]

yea exactly

totally raid dependant

[buoyant herald]

adds in our raid tend to get shredded instantly

[stable island]

like my group had 3 ret palys and 3 hunters so sub wasn't too needed

[buoyant herald]

or left up forever

no middle ground

yeah we've got 2 rets and 2 mms lol

[rain pecan]

I suspect they will be shredded in ours. I'll probably just stick with sin unless there's a strong reason for something else

[stable island]

if your RL starts complaining about how long adds are alive then maybe think about swapping but if not i wouldn't worry about it

[hidden bay]

keeps cds for adds, doesnt even pop on pull

[stable island]

yeah

[hidden bay]

[stable island]

saw that and was like "what degen behavior am i seeing"

[buoyant herald]

"parsing"

[stable island]

yeah that degen behavior

[buoyant herald]

at this stage in the season it's almost impossible any top log on any boss isn't from degen

[hidden bay]

check boss dps in that kill

😂

[stable island]

yeah

2.3 mil XD

[fresh kelp]

They’re not letting me parse, sub just monopolizes the damage

Only dev can really aoe burst like that and our only one doesn’t like gallywix

You do indeed do actually 0 boss damage playing like that but sectec only hits the adds if you cast on them and then it does basically 0 gallywix dmg

[stable island]

i was wondering why you were casting sec on adds

[fresh kelp]

Look at the 7:11 to 7:16 window in that fight

[buoyant herald]

doing low boss dam and monopolizing add damage sounds a lot like parsing to me lol

i mean yeah someone's gotta do it so it's not padding

[stable island]

[fresh kelp]

There is no other spec than sub that can really do that

[buoyant herald]

if thats the strat though then it's all good

[fresh kelp]

it is, my point was that we aren’t telling people not to hit adds

[buoyant herald]

oh right

i see what you mean

[fresh kelp]

just that sub has the agency to explode them faster than any other spec

I wouldn’t play like that on prog

Assa probably better

[buoyant herald]

side note, really cool to see a solid representation of all 3 specs on gally with none clearly being the obvious go-to

[fresh kelp]

If you are wiping to the 4min 7min add casts though sub is very good at making that not a problem we sent one aoe stop and they died in it

[buoyant herald]

mmm maybe i should give it a go, ours usually die so fast i get barely any spatter damage out

[stable island]

yeah if they are dying that fast just focus on boss damage

[haughty flicker]

I play sub to pad on adds

[stable island]

i wouldn't switch just to try to get 2% more damage when it isn't needed

[haughty flicker]

It's fun

[buoyant herald]

not about needed, about fun 😛

[stable island]

you guys are having fun?

[buoyant herald]

some nights

its reclears so depends how locked in people are

[stable island]

other nights you spend 30 pulls attempting to relcear mug'zee

[buoyant herald]

^

[stable island]

[buoyant herald]

our first reclear night of gally

we had 12 wipe go again calls either before or during p1

[haughty flicker]

let me break it down for you

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-breaking-it-down-omni-man-breaking-it-down-let-me-break-down-omni-man-gif-13756552621007848541

[stable island]

lul

[haughty flicker]

Add damage fun

[buoyant herald]

from people accidentally pulling, getting squashed by the slam at the start, or dying immediately to lasers

[haughty flicker]

Sectec go brrrr

[stable island]

that what i assume the 3 hunters in my group are doing while shrapnel goes out

[haughty flicker]

People dying to slam is definitely my favorite

20s countdown and still caught off guard

Rough times

[buoyant herald]

well when a 20s countdown is only a 14s countdown because the hunter sent an autoshot off

i kinda get it

[haughty flicker]

[buoyant herald]

[stable island]

"i hit my ping keybind i swear"

[buoyant herald]

"my hands got really heavy all of a sudden"

[red schooner]

Our ranged on prog kept getting stuck with the warlock portal debuff and dying on pull

Just walk out

I beg of you

Please

[stable island]

these are the same range that complain about bandit

[haughty flicker]

Just press sprint ez

[red schooner]

But yeah we had 3 warlocks on prog and I swear the fuckers will spend an hour cooking up the most complicated portal transit network known to man in order to avoid walking 5 steps to the left

[buoyant herald]

we had a healer die to lasers like 4 pulls in a row and i think he got chewed out by the RL so hard that he quit for next tier

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure i just natty walk up to gally

smack him

and walk into position

[stable island]

yeah i stopped stacking on pull

[waxen oyster]

though for sin your cds just kind of

[buoyant herald]

i was actually on devoker that night and swapped talents to give him spatial paradox 😂

[waxen oyster]

line up for adds

no degeneracy really

[lethal arrow]

We do have to hold on gally tho

Kind of lame timings

[buoyant herald]

only like 5-10 seconds it's not toooo bad

probably not losing any uses

[waxen oyster]

i mean you hold like 30 secs for the 3min set

and you have to hold your 1min kb to around 1:30 due to the suppress

unless you cloak it

[stable island]

cheat death works wonders

if you dont care to have it for 5 min

[buoyant herald]

no point taking the talent and not using it

[waxen oyster]

i didnt even proc cheat

in our first kill

i shoulda, 99 rogue healing parse

might have been 100 with cheat

[dawn pollen]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[lethal arrow]

I just run to the adds and kb after

It doesn't really make a difference anyways since I like holding for adds at 3 min

[thin lodge]

Hey guys i noticed im starting to get quite energy starved at times in ST, M+ build do you have any tips maybe?

[buoyant herald]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[thin lodge]

i thank you @buoyant herald 🙂

[buoyant herald]

np, very common question as you can see

[thin lodge]

yeah i figured i just was wondering if people start pooling energy or spam attacks but makes sense

[buoyant herald]

you used to pool more, now its generally not worth outside of the note above

[thin lodge]

okay that would explain my low dps at times at bosses aswell due to wrong cd managment

[marsh ferry]

I felt like I’ve read this before so I just searched “transit network” and there were 2 more occurrences

[haughty flicker]

thats 3 nickels

[main bridge]

considering Blizzard's obsession with swirly hell, it totally makes sense to avoid walking around as much as possible so you can actually cast something

[haughty flicker]

we're rich

[main bridge]

god i hate that shit

[snow hamlet]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[golden storm]

Thistle Tea will still auto process under 30 energy though right? So you’re incentivized to keep your energy above 30 at all times unless all 3 charges are on CD?

[spice surge]

Yes it auto procs, no you dont need to keep above 30

Tea doesnt matter, just press buttons

[golden storm]

Also, why would this be a cast sequence? Thistle Tea is off the GCD.

[mossy igloo]

Anyone mess around with the ptr yet? Doing a guild ptr raid run today and just curious which hero talent I should give a try. I have been thinking about fatebound

[spice surge]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

[golden storm]

Fatebound seems solid for single target from what I tried but cleave is still dreadful. I think we’re stuck with DS for practical purposes.

[mossy igloo]

Oof. Some hero talent variety would be fun

[golden storm]

Yeah, I kinda want to go back to Sub this season. Sorta wish the target swapping of DS wasn’t still a thing. Still better than my target capped WW and Fury though.

I rolled a destro lock just to blast 10s.

[mossy igloo]

I like sub and sin so still deciding spec for today as well

FB sin caught my eye though

[runic hinge]

Fb would be good if it didn’t self nerf

[snow hamlet]

ye

[mossy igloo]

Someone just tell me which spec and hero talent to run. I’m too indecisive

[golden storm]

Sub is my all time favorite, Sin is a close second. I want to like FB just it’s just not there for me. Same reason I still play double vanish. Even in comms with homies they occasionally still chain pull and it’s just more forgiving.

[haughty flicker]

mage

[golden storm]

DK

[mossy igloo]

Uhhhh

[snow hamlet]

really like FB because I don't have to plan how to exchange targets

[mossy igloo]

How bout feral, ww, sub or sin?

[golden storm]

Sub > Sin > WW > Feral

[runic hinge]

Feral pretty fun imo

Don’t have to worry about being target locked either

Lots of utility

[royal lantern]

FB is just like me fr

[golden storm]

If you want groups, Sin > Feral (Druid utility lol) > sub > WW. unless you have a phy group with skyfury and arms in which case WW sky rockets.

[mossy igloo]

Just worried feral is gonna over shadowed by boomie especially with the tier sets boomie is getting

I think I’ll go sin tonight and try another run with sub later and see

Might cope with FB

[haughty flicker]

this has been feral for the last 20 years, thats just how it goes

but feral is normally still always quite good

or at least playable

[spice surge]

This season theyre really really good

[haughty flicker]

yeah and even then are still overshadowed by boomkin

feral definitely good right now though, especially in phys comp

[mossy igloo]

Yeah in M+ feral is good af but raid is sad

[fast phoenix]

feral was pumping on Fractillus on PTR

[runic hinge]

Feral probably a top 5 spec rn. Unlucker boomy is top 2

[worldly cargo]

new rogue question - I've seen a couple different opinions on where so send my 3rd shiv. Some say to hold 2 shivs for 2nd Kingsbane, some say to use 1 "dry" shiv and use just 1 on the 2nd Kingsbane. Which is correct?

[runic hinge]

Same

[fast phoenix]

in fact the feral was usually #1 every pull on whispyr's PTR runs for that boss

[crisp leaf]

for caustic spatter, do we go out of our way to put the debuff up on multiple people? guides just say mutilate once per 10 seconds to keep it up, is it once per targete per 10 seconds up to a certain number?

[fast phoenix]

no just main target

[wanton mirage]

Just whatever main target you are on.

[spice surge]

You literally cant have it on more than one target

If you mutilate another target it swaps, you dont get a second one

[wanton mirage]

If you switch to another target because main died, then you have to mutilate to apply CS

[fast phoenix]

you dont spread it, it does the spattering

[crisp leaf]

got it, im silly

just saw the limit 1 on tooltip

thanks

[wanton mirage]

It's awlgud brother

[warm raft]

how do i get my delver belt to stop takiing me out of stealth i thought i saw it some where around here?

[buoyant herald]

stop using charged bolts

[warm raft]

ah copy

[buoyant herald]

it got nerfed and is bad damage anyway

use crit chain or electric current

[warm raft]

i am just returning just got the belt will swap it asap

[buoyant herald]

easy - there's a longer explanation in the pins too

always worth a read

[quiet oriole]

I think crit chain for ST and electric current for aoe/M+ last time I simmed

[buoyant herald]

they're pretty close, haste was #1 for bleed and crit was #1 for ST when i simmed - but i have a lot of mastery already

[ivory kraken]

you guys think we'll see any sort of tuning/changes next week? Kinda weird the class has gotten like no changes no?

[hidden bay]

ping zeross and ask him

everything is bad

he will tell you whats needed

[main bridge]

it's joever

reroll shadow priest

[waxen oyster]

not even 2 weeks into ptr and people dooming

[mighty vine]

Way she goes

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/trailer-park-boys-the-way-she-goes-oh-well-gif-14173918

[haughty flicker]

ive already started leveling spriest

[main bridge]

same i got mine to 80 yesterday

timewalking owns for leveling characters

[ornate cloud]

So, this is more a question for my fellow Assassination mains around here in high keys like say a +10 TOP and one is struggling with maintaining their grove n' DOTS when things get stressful, say like one is fighting Gorechop, any hints or advice that can help?

Because while I can do the mechanics, my damage suffers and considering I've had to deal with tanks that don't gimme much room to do my thing. Especially on the first boss in that dungeons and I just feel like I'm fumbling the recovery from that

[buoyant herald]

You need a good way of tracking your dots on multiple targets then, best way is to have a good plater profile that will show your garrote, rupture and crimson tempest

[ornate cloud]

Got'cha, thanks

[buoyant herald]

There at some ones here I think

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[buoyant herald]

There we go

[normal mist]

Fyi 10 top can probably be cleared with 1 button rotation party, it's just that low of a key

Anyway, for survival use feint, evasion, health potions, cloak of shadows and don't get hit by stuff

If you die and you are sure you did your best, it's an healer issue

[rotund oak]

bratwurst + weiss beer = Germany at it's finnest

change my mind

[hidden bay]

urgh

[hallow glade]

lightweight shiv and sb or master assa for fatebound m+

[balmy condor]

sb being sanguine blades?

cause not taking sanguine blades would be insanely troll

[hallow glade]

yeah sanguine, i wasnt sure how important MA is for fatebound in m+

but it seems very hard to path

[balmy condor]

MA is about as important for fatebound as it is for deathstalker

the talent choices in m+ don't change because of hero talents

[hallow glade]

ok ty

[lethal arrow]

now if this was early S1