assassination

[runic hinge]

source?

[waxen oyster]

I mean just get more ilvl

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[waxen oyster]

any slots can be made into 681 crafts

that arent your tier, trinkets, or jastor

tbh

[topaz crow]

Correct which i am going i have daggers, had belt, cloak neck all crafted 681. Myth track signet fully upgrade, can get myth pacemaker today and jastors heroic

[quiet oriole]

Idk if this helps but im 676 ilvl and average around 4mill overall in most 12 dungs depending on if the tank is a monkey or not. Bleed build btw

[waxen oyster]

damage in keys matters so much on comp

[worn geyser]

and key, and key level

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[worn geyser]

bleed in 12s and ur faster than everyone else at padding with a warrior sham and brew? ya u might 6m overall at 675

[humble verge]

bruh

[waxen oyster]

tbh

replace the monk or warrior with a druid buff

for max damage

[worn geyser]

3% vers > 5% ap? no ty

[waxen oyster]

with how much my sim is wanting crit i get the feeling critical chain is gonna be my highest simming belt power

[quiet oriole]

Best I've gotten so far was 5.8 mill overall in a priory 13 so not far off tbh with that exact comp

[worn geyser]

my top overalls are always floodgates

i fucking love that dungeon

[waxen oyster]

meadery gives some super high numbers

[worn geyser]

meadery gives me the ick like theatre cause im fighting the camera boss indoors but ya u can get crazy numbers

[waxen oyster]

blizz stopping me from 2.7m sim again though

[worn geyser]

idk what kinda numbers cleave does in rookery but i had my best overall(for rook) in that last night on bleed in a 17

thats usually my worst overall dungeon tied with top

[runic hinge]

I need this sticker

[royal lantern]

m+ parses are the probably most worthless thing in this game mate

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i dont log keys

[worn geyser]

ye they are

[runic hinge]

Not more worthless than me

[waxen oyster]

Funny SD numbers are in dfc

[keen spruce]

I can add it to quak when I get home

[runic hinge]

Thank you

[waxen oyster]

Honestly sin's flopping with stats makes droptimizer

super inaccurate

i swear

[waxen oyster]

considering it only does a piece by piece basis

Though at least with hoc i dont have to deal with the annoying aspect of checking how high my crit is

[restive sentinel]

Hey, I’m new to rogue and I keep running out of my energy. Is that just something that will happen from time to time or do I need to manage it better

[golden loom]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[lusty kraken]

The nerfed belt is finally in simc?

[balmy condor]

its live now so yes its in simc

tuning goes into raidbots when it goes into game

[restive sentinel]

Thanks!

[lusty kraken]

I wasn’t sure if I had to wait for EU reset as well

[restive sentinel]

Was that in pins and I just missed it :p

[golden loom]

nah its not in pins, there are a few commands for the most common questions but idk if they are listed anywhere 😄 , you just learn them by reading this channel too much

[restive sentinel]

Gotcha

Thanks for the help, I normally play evoker so having the mana bar hit 0 is new to me

[vivid mulch]

How we feeling about s3 tierset?

[coral ibex]

its also probably in the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

one of the last specs in the game that isn't perma capped on resources

[coral ibex]

which nobody reads beyond the cheat sheet or bis list

[worn geyser]

for the command thing, is there a list anywhere of all of them or is it just kinda u gotta see them to know

[pliant remnant]

No list

Just @ Whispyr every time you want to know more about something

[humble verge]

icl

i saw a baddie with a fattie on the gym today

[sharp viper]

that's good, right?

[balmy condor]

if it actually mattered, sure

[keen spruce]

I’m still here u know

Pull up king

[humble verge]

sometimes i cant tell if its men or women who want me

[brisk trellis]

i'm not remembering- does it matter which weapon the embellishments are on? ascension no, blessed on mh?

[normal mist]

Yes

[spice spire]

Hey king

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter what hand it's on, but you should only have one crafted dagger

and that would be in your offhand

[normal mist]

(in case you have a myth dagger)

[keen spruce]

Arf

[brisk trellis]

not raiding and no daggers from vault, so i was going to make a 2nd with extra sparks

[normal mist]

if you dont need anything else

literally

[keen spruce]

Off hand very low prio slot

[normal mist]

go for it

[keen spruce]

But ye if u got nothin else to make

[balmy condor]

if you got literally nothing else to make then sure I guess

but offhands are the worst slot to craft

well, mainhand in this case

second dagger craft is horrid

[brisk trellis]

i think the only other pieces i need are myth track set ones

[balmy condor]

yolo idk

[brisk trellis]

word

thanks

[balmy condor]

I'd personally never craft a second dagger out of principle

but if you have actually nothing else

[brisk trellis]

lmao that's fair

[balmy condor]

then I don't see the harm

[brisk trellis]

by the same logic, is it worth using an augmentation matrix on the first dagger?

[golden loom]

well mainhand ilvl is the most important slot

so for that you would

[balmy condor]

you want to max out the ilvl on your mainhand at all costs

its the offhand that's dogshit

[brisk trellis]

got it

[wide gorge]

@balmy condor did u start PTR math mister? what do u think will change in our rota?

[winged sun]

NEW INFINITE DPS BUILD INVEST NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE NO MORE RUPTURES?? ENVENOM IS THE NEW KING?! 999 MILLION EVENOMS CRITS

NEW INFINITE DPS BUILD INVEST NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE NO MORE RUPTURES?? ENVENOM IS THE NEW KING?! 999 MILLION EVENOMS CRITS

[raw marlin]

is it normal to just sit.. 'afk' in ST sometimes as a sin rogue if everything is up and you have no energy?

[normal mist]

yes

[raw marlin]

feels so weird after coming from SMASH SMASH SMASH classes lol

[normal mist]

But if you have everything up, you mean DM, and with DM you have more energy than normal

and you'll also have a tea for DM

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1352023537996533873/1386990713811632259/image0.jpg?ex=685bb743&is=685a65c3&hm=2443ab15b3585f6b37fc1e0fdd0c90103505b75e42b1286353ba8da920e7f4a6&=&format=webp

[raw marlin]

but... not if i have no energy 😉

[balmy condor]

probably not much

[normal mist]

then you're doing something wrong

[raw marlin]

nah but obv i didnt mean DM lol

[normal mist]

because you have a tea for every single DM

because:

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[raw marlin]

i more meant.. DM is down everything else is up

[normal mist]

everything else = KB?

you still have a tea for kb

[raw marlin]

not if i do lower keys

with bleed

[normal mist]

then you dont need to worry about your ST

[raw marlin]

why not

[normal mist]

because you're playing bleed

[balmy condor]

you're only doing damage in deathmark anyway

[wide gorge]

i was thinking since our shiv is 2s longer with the tier set, we probably going to shiv once on KB and twice during lingering ?

[raw marlin]

i still wanna do damage

[normal mist]

you do

on the rest of the dungeon

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

on bosses, your real dmg comes with DM

[raw marlin]

i am topping dps in ST though as again, im doing low keys and people are poo poo lol

[normal mist]

define low keys

[raw marlin]

12-14

[normal mist]

yeah i feel you

[raw marlin]

im not even fuly upgraded hero track gear lol

[wide gorge]

woops did i say wrong?

[raw marlin]

its a painful world we are in

[balmy condor]

I just don't get why you would do that

[normal mist]

It doesnt matter much, bleed is really good anyway

[raw marlin]

yh i was just wondering if i can take it 'slowly' or if i should always be mashing keys

[normal mist]

in ST you'll run out of energy no questions asked

[raw marlin]

aww ok makes sense

[haughty flicker]

the more times you press a key before it goes off the more damage you do

always mash

[normal mist]

^

[raw marlin]

its when aoe comes and i stack bleeds and feel good again ha

[hidden bay]

how cant you have this done by now???? hello???? dont wait till stuff is fixed/working correctly, we want math????

[normal mist]

yeah thats bleed for you

[raw marlin]

dont you want to pool over >150 for extra bleed?

[wide gorge]

bcs one shiv is enough for our kb right? it cover 10sec over the 14 and our tier set buff all our damage bonuses from deathstalker

[normal mist]

its a dps gain to be above 150 in ST if no cds are being used yes

[wide gorge]

so it buff lingering, singular, CtW, darkest night right?

[balmy condor]

and you're just gonna sack the other 6 seconds of deathmark?

[raw marlin]

ok perfect, so i can afk drink my tea while in ST

[uneven crag]

!Shadow

[raw marlin]

this is lovely

[hidden bay]

insane what ppl think about

[wide gorge]

idk i guessed it was just question of number

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

yeah but it isn't though

[normal mist]

its kinda hard to be above those 150 either way because you want to refresh rupture/CT in single target and shiv

[balmy condor]

you're moving a shiv out of deathmark into lingering

[normal mist]

and if you shiv you pump envenoms too

[balmy condor]

when the alternative it having it on deathmark, and it has the duration to last into lingering anyway

[raw marlin]

so its a dumb ass talent?

[haughty flicker]

[raw marlin]

oh in AOE

got ya

but people dont even pull big enough in my key range atm lol

[normal mist]

in ST you can get dps from it for sure, if you optimize it, but in AoE it is cool

[raw marlin]

boss fights take 5x longer

[balmy condor]

like given the option of:

1. shiv twice in deathmark and you get 4 seconds of shiv in lingering
2. shiv once in deathmark and then have a full shiv in lingering

I don't get what the second would do

it's the same amount of envenoms/darkest nights

cause shiv is going to move the mark up 1 stack

[wide gorge]

this is why i am asking uuuuuuuuuu

[hidden bay]

the question you shouldve asked yourself before typing is "do i want to remove an dmg amplifier from my big cooldowns?"

[balmy condor]

ya I mean I can wildly speculate but until its fixed and I can actually do sims it's kinda pointless

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

like right now darkest night's energy isn't affected by the tier

which maybe it should? maybe it shouldn't?

[hidden bay]

please fix it????

we need numbers??

[haughty flicker]

just make up numbers

none of us would know anyway

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

like there's a lot of things that COULD be MAYBE better

but it's also buggy as hell cause it's PTR

so who knows

[waxen oyster]

no sims just vibes

[wide gorge]

i mean DM just double our bleed and poison, shiv amp our nature damage right

[grim jay]

thats the real "supercharger"

[wide gorge]

most of our hero tree damage are plagues that are buffed by lingering

[wide gorge]

and now our shiv also buff our hero tree for 50%

[hidden bay]

[wide gorge]

OK OK ILL SHUT UP

[sharp viper]

[grim jay]

whispyr wishing his account would be gone again

[haughty flicker]

the vacation ended too soon

[golden loom]

The real change will be Shiv -> DM -> KB instead of DM -> shiv -> KB

[sharp viper]

let the turkish phisher deal with those statements

[raw marlin]

our hero tree is still pretty boring though, can we get another one?

[grim jay]

frfr its all so far yet so close

[hidden bay]

now thats valid

[grim jay]

did you just assume the statements validity?

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-sounds-good-jim-halpert-the-office-good-point-gif-9448071860271729531

[hidden bay]

indeed i did

[grim jay]

ngl I prefer a boring one since it doesnt fuck anything up and the base spec plays well

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-scared-unknown-gif-23108748

^ this is me in this chat

[waxen oyster]

name me an "interesting" hero tree

[worn geyser]

is there a way to make raidbots pull from armory like droptimizer on top gear, on mobile so i cant /simc rip

[onyx scroll]

sure as hell isn't fatebound and deathstalker though

[waxen oyster]

in before someone says sanlayn

"press your cd then press the same button 12x"

[main bridge]

yes, just open this raidbots.zip file i've got for you

[waxen oyster]

Idk i dont find any hero trees exactly add much interesting gameplay

[worn geyser]

the ww conduit hero talent is cool, they get a very dope visual

[waxen oyster]

slayer warriors

[golden loom]

Fury mountain thane

[waxen oyster]

"press execute sometimes, get cdr on bladestorm"

very exciting

ehh thane just makes your thunderclap a more damaging button

[fresh kelp]

enh stormbringer

[golden loom]

Its cool tho 😎

[waxen oyster]

enh seems to have toned down

from their 75% spender damage builds

or s1

[fresh kelp]

still easily one of the best/coolest hero trees in the game

the visuals are sick

[waxen oyster]

i forget what the nature wolves do

now that you dont run the elemental wolves talent

[vernal oyster]

there's a "Convert to SimC input" button on the droptimizer page right beside the row with all your gear

[ebon prism]

the wowhead guide for using dinar says heroic HoC or signet of the priory. which one is preferred? I even selected "all 12s".

should I grab heroic HoC or myth signet?

[waxen oyster]

you take myth of what you can get

if you raid you take hoc

since you have myth hoc

[normal mist]

in case anyone wants to reroll to a 2h weapon class

They are cookin

[red schooner]

Imagine rerolling. We're stuck here for life.

[fallow canopy]

Very cool looking

[normal mist]

daggers

[waxen oyster]

where is this

[waxen oyster]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=118409/cloudsong-glaive forever my goat

[red schooner]

Why is every dagger giant, where are my dagger sized daggers

[vernal oyster]

right below your character after you input it

[waxen oyster]

oh i see

[vernal oyster]

probably insanely hard to find on mobile

[worn geyser]

it was mega off screen on mobile i didnt realize

[fallow canopy]

they don't exist

[runic hinge]

Myth signet is better than heroic hoc

[waxen oyster]

wait are belt changes on simc right

[polar rampart]

i think so

[ebon prism]

oh ok ty ty!

[waxen oyster]

wasnt static charged supposed to have been buffed

its only 7k still

crit won unsurprisingly

[polar rampart]

they buffed crit and static charge i think , but static charge was like the lowest value in stats by a decent amount before

im pretty sure electric current sims highest for my assa gear

[worn geyser]

oh thats crazy duskthread and dawn sims very slightly(.5%) higher for me dungeon slice on bleed, i should use my spare sparks on that ig

[waxen oyster]

werent threads always better on dslice

[woeful meteor]

ye

[waxen oyster]

didn tthey buff it to 11k

[hot pasture]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brave comet]

is it true that critical chain isnt properly buffed?

it seems like its true

[cerulean walrus]

Cake servers fr

Every time

It’s why I like the Revendreth kris daggers

[icy viper]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[gilded rune]

does thistle tea cast itself at any point by itself

[worn geyser]

when your energy is reduced below 30 yeah

[gilded rune]

oh I couldve read that

lmfaoo

my bad

ty

[normal mist]

rogue saved

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-2-ptr-development-notes-for-june-24th-new-and-reworked-tier-bonuses-377461?utm_source=discord-webhook

[worn geyser]

wait does that mean fatebounds been bugged with those things this whole time

[haughty flicker]

yes

[worn geyser]

lmao

hype tho

[hoary remnant]

fatebound looks really good with the cdr to major cds

[normal mist]

are dks alright?

[red schooner]

They play DK, of course not

[hidden bay]

thats pretty cringe to read

[waxen oyster]

what happened to amz

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[gilded knoll]

[rose inlet]

they buffed the hell out of it on ptr didn't they

its like 15% 3m now

[humble verge]

[copper bane]

[red schooner]

Imagine if all the rogues kicked off every time there was a lack of acknowledgement in patch notes. Though TBF, I don't think a total of 10 messages would bother them too much

[hidden bay]

yea on ptr

on live everything is fine

[worn geyser]

[red schooner]

Fine being a relative term

[normal mist]

move chat 5 messages up you dummy

[gilded knoll]

"working as intended"

[worn geyser]

we can keep that same cringe energy for their systematic dismemberment of shroud’s utility via placement of true sight mobs. which makes a racial / new pot 10x better than one of our most thematic abilities. #shroudisNOTaDungeonBuff :P

[primal jolt]

how come the server tag isnt something related to assasination rogue instead of it being rh, such a silly mistake done by the staff

[hexed root]

dumb question, anything I should be aware with sims for the rings or are we still SOL even at a 2x ilvl capped rings, one is still going to be the circlet?

[spice surge]

Looks like youre simming without sockets

[hidden bay]

damn. frost flat 10% buff

[polar rampart]

if you had a good stat myth ring should be able to replace circlet

[nova kelp]

energy is a bit different hey, we have some pretty fundamental issues in our baseline gameplay that causes a chunk of friction
hence our long dwindling class playerbase.
And if you voice this annoyance with what we'll call "under the line" impression you'll get people all over your shit in here.
meanwhile they wana hashtag rally with double the active playerbase lol

[hidden bay]

time to reroll

[gilded knoll]

if only there was another class worth playing. all feel kinda meh

[waxen oyster]

apm isnt really an argument

when outlaw exists

rogue isnt that slow idk

[gilded knoll]

yea. apm isnt a factor. unless the gameplay is also brainless. then its slow and simple

[waxen oyster]

brainless draws people

ret paladin bm hunter

[gilded knoll]

yep

[hexed root]

if only the ring was 6k mastery/1k crit lul

[humble verge]

yeah but like

im stupid ok

[waxen oyster]

crit>mast roulette is my best sim

[winged quail]

Assa would be in a great spot of the hero talents weren’t so dogshit, rework DS please and thank you

[gilded knoll]

yea. 1 is rngunderwhelming. the other is just tedious and plays way worse then it sounds.

[waxen oyster]

outlaw rng isnt bad

in modern day

[gilded knoll]

i mean the hero talent

[winged quail]

New tier makes fatebound seem quite good, it just needs to not nerf its self in AoE for no reason

[gilded knoll]

outlaw is another can o worms

[waxen oyster]

i mean….

anyone who complains about rtb

doesnt know how outlaw plays

its barely a factor since sl

[wet spire]

just send it on cd if you dont have 5

win

[gilded knoll]

kek

[wet spire]

i also dont play KiR

fuck that

[waxen oyster]

they’ve dumbed down rtb

so much over the years

[winged quail]

The highs on KiR are unmatched dopamine tho

[hexed root]

you were right but so close:

[normal mist]

guys gonna try 1 button rotation

[red schooner]

Bind it to mousewheel

[oak eagle]

are you also simming the ring at max ilvl? or is it the ilvl it comes out of vault at

[red schooner]

Easy life

[hexed root]

max ilvl

[oak eagle]

the only reason then i think its saying that is because youre gonna lose too much mast?

[oak eagle]

thats the only thing i can think of

[waxen oyster]

thats gear dependent

i sim higher without circe

[hexed root]

ill just share my sim here in a sec once it finishes again

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rEY4t7MFTPUTGoqBPuASeQ

I just realized my crafted pieces are still verse/mastery from sub days lmfao

[waxen oyster]

signet likely wants mastery

[humble verge]

wait

signet with jastor?

you dont have a myth ring or

[thorny rain]

you dummy

[humble verge]

wait

im sutpid

i meant cirlet

[oak eagle]

he just got a myth ring in his vault

high crit haste

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/jimchi-jim-chi-asmr-jimちasmr-dont-tell-the-boss-shhhh-gif-18469365

[humble verge]

it will be better

[hexed root]

i finally got around to swapping the embellshments last week and went from like 0 upgrades to 3 upgrades available, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rTgDgYw3zrswhmPYayknnb

[waxen oyster]

crafted ring was already better for me

[hexed root]

just recraft cloak and still boots lol

i think the crafted section sim is wrong, or sims are broken in general if this tells me belt is AN UPGRADE AT ALL lmao

[lusty narwhal]

Actual Fatebound changes in notes, never thought Id see the day

[thorny rain]

I recrafted all my shit today to mostly crit/haste and crit/vers

[hexed root]

ill have to sim some crit vers. who needs mastery, amirite?

[thorny rain]

facts

[fallow canopy]

Charged bolts got nerfed

[hexed root]

you get electrical current yet?

[fallow canopy]

So prob that

[hexed root]

just read up on that

[thorny rain]

yeah

[waxen oyster]

idk if you can add changed belt to droptimizers even

it seems to default to bolts

[thorny rain]

it does

[oak eagle]

you can

click the + icon on the belt

[waxen oyster]

i mean in droptimizer not top gear

[oak eagle]

and you can change to whatever one you want

[waxen oyster]

although droptimizer is fucking cringe for assa

[timber plume]

How is it cringe?

[waxen oyster]

because one item that is a non upgrade becomes an upgrade

if your secondaries change

[timber plume]

Ah, yeah

[hexed root]

big time lol

[timber plume]

That happens a lot with gemming in top gear too

Which I find annoying

[waxen oyster]

nah its mostly neck/ring that influences it the most

[hexed root]

im still surprised how much my droptimizer changed by changing my embellishments

[waxen oyster]

prenerf bolts was putting dawnthread ahead for me

even at 60%

[hexed root]

i was running elemental focus lens from sub days

[molten willow]

Removal of abomb is pretty stupid though I agree

[humble verge]

slappyhands*

[molten willow]

right

the goat

[waxen oyster]

damn game is putting my highest sim neck as the dfc one

[molten willow]

its fun to use and annoying to be losing

[waxen oyster]

also funnily enough pushes mastery on belt to be better than crit

[short pine]

is there a point where i keep a clear the witness buff

for any reason

[hexed root]

i took flickering glowtorc week 1 since it was on the bis list

[short pine]

there isn’t right?

[waxen oyster]

you dont use the buff if playing vv

unless you want to pad

[distant helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

who knows what blizz was thinking making 4 necks the entire season

not counting the boe

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tf6ZyaxnhHQ4DWdn1aKfS6

ayy

[timid bramble]

is the ilvl quest for belt

alt friendly?

[molten willow]

yes

[timid bramble]

so binds

[main bridge]

it's basically the same quest as last week

and you can do a level 1 delve

[timid bramble]

Awesome Saquce

then just alts pick up the quest and accept i assume

thanks

[main bridge]

yep super easy

[waxen oyster]

i saw a guy with the mount from it 2 days ago

[royal lantern]

i saw the good news

outlaw nerf

blessed day

[serene mason]

do they think rogue is in an good spot?
VV feels so bad when you dont have something to snapshot energy from.

[royal lantern]

thats assa

[serene mason]

I mean they full ignore Assa/Sub and on top of that they deliver such lame tiersets.

nahh assa in s1 was really nice

[royal lantern]

assa literally got faster

??

[serene mason]

when they delivered twist the knife

[waxen oyster]

Yeah assa has always been slow

its pretty fast nowadays

[royal lantern]

what has ttk to do with it

you play ttk

[serene mason]

they changed energy gain

[royal lantern]

no?

[serene mason]

?

no?

let me check

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

like, this is one of the faster assa variations lol

what did you "it feels bad" guys play in the past

get that unholy spec out of my blessed space

[serene mason]

Sub

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

@obtuse robin you cant outrun the shame

[waxen oyster]

Outlaw

every spec feels slow compared to outlaw

tbh

[serene mason]

It was fine in S1 TWW... idk

[obtuse robin]

[royal lantern]

allright

subs downtimes are even bigger btw

and like, this is a faster variation of assa

its supposed to be a slow spec

[waxen oyster]

you played vv in s1

well briefly

[royal lantern]

why else do you think talents like vv exist in the first place lol

literally the entire point is "hit Harder but use less abilitys overall"

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cfkCYr45tCHDQbzpgoB6Sa wild cards actually simming higher then signet now. wild

[fallow canopy]

We used to pool until pretty recently no?

[royal lantern]

DF S3 had pooling

tww kinda killed it

smash those buttons

[balmy condor]

it's 0.2%

[waxen oyster]

@balmy condor are the belt buffs in simc despite raidbots tooltips showing old values

[true lintel]

is charged bolts bad now that it was nerfed?

[hexed root]

and boots were 0.4%, higher is HIGHER

[haughty flicker]

mamaaaa

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/math-meme-math-is-math-meme-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-the-incredibles2-gif-20591317

[haughty flicker]

oooooooo

[waxen oyster]

how come my belt still sims as charged bolt

despite it isnt ingame

[balmy condor]

cause it's not in game

buffs didn't make it

[fallow canopy]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

really

[waxen oyster]

its showing buff values

[royal lantern]

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

on my tooltips ingame

i just tried it

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's not actually giving you that right?

[waxen oyster]

it is

[balmy condor]

unless they hotfixed it

[waxen oyster]

on my char sheet

[balmy condor]

then it should be in raidbots as well

raidbots is just spelldata

[waxen oyster]

i was watching the actual number on my character pane with the stats

[balmy condor]

whatever the spell data is in game

is the spell data in raidbots

[waxen oyster]

but raidbots still has chain as 987

and static as 7k

[balmy condor]

according to what

[waxen oyster]

when you hover over the item in topgear

[balmy condor]

yeah so that's not raidbots

[waxen oyster]

still has static at its prenerf tooltip

[balmy condor]

yes

that's not raidbots

[waxen oyster]

[prisma cypress]

can i offer some nitpicky feedback on the wowhead guide or should i fuck off

[balmy condor]

sure

[hidden bay]

did you pick latest /simc from ingame?

[waxen oyster]

gonna do that

[balmy condor]

that's not going to change anything

but sure

[hard river]

the belt changes should be live

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hard river]

hate this belt !

[balmy condor]

true

[prisma cypress]

in the sudden demise section on the rotation page, it says "if the target would have died with 10 seconds of rupture remaining" by which i think you mean "if 10 seconds of rupture is enough to kill the target", but i think is more readily interpreted as "if 10s of rupture remains on the target when it dies"

[hidden bay]

wowhead guy is drunk

[haughty flicker]

didnt mean to make you cry

if im not back again this time tomorrow

[hidden bay]

i already miss you

[broken lion]

!poisons

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[haughty flicker]

carry on

carry on

[hexed root]

wowhead guy provides a bis list then criticizes bis lists smhhhhhh /sssssssssss

[haughty flicker]

as if nothing really matters

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/math-meme-math-is-math-meme-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-the-incredibles2-gif-20591317

[fallow canopy]

Sad piano

[balmy condor]

yeh it was written confusingly, was technically correct but I see the issue, reworded it

[thick basin]

anyone testing on PTR know how to get a key to the new dungeon?

[balmy condor]

keystone npc in org/stormwind

[cinder turtle]

Yo fellaz - wondering if you can help me out. I'm not a Rogue player in the slightest but trying to help one of my guildies out since looking through logs I can't find anything significant aside from much weaker kingsbane ramp windows (??) compared to other logs.

I'm checking damage preceeding the death at 4:12, but I just can't pinpoint exactly what this guy is doing wrong compared to other assa rogues. Wondering if any of you could share some insight?

I've looked at garotte, rupture uptime, and envenom, but I think most of it comes down to lower uptime compared to others but I can't figure out if that's the only cause.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qXH46BW8RazbnpkL?fight=20&type=damage-done&source=46

[keen spruce]

Well if the uptime is less than “basically always” then that’s quite bad

But I’m driving rn, someone can give better insight

[cinder turtle]

So my interpretation of uptime for him is more just large gaps in timeline rather than the number itself

[keen spruce]

There should be no gaps

Unless theres specific unavoidable downtime in the fight

[cinder turtle]

aye that's my thought too, it's the only explanation that I have But yeah would appreciate some help here - focus on driving broski!

[keen spruce]

Parking lot rush hour traffic

[buoyant herald]

his uptimes are pretty dubious on those main 3

[indigo mulch]

He also messed up his opener, not by much but he double ambushed.

I mean mugzee is also a bit of an iffy fight, if you get a good kb/dm during add cleave you will do big dam. It also depends on where you use KB, you need to delay your first kb slightly to get it in between the first goon prisons.

[buoyant herald]

also tbh dying for execute is the biggest issue

[keen spruce]

Just compare boss damage

To evaluate actual performance

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, dying in execute window is a massive loss.

[keen spruce]

Losing execute big ye

[buoyant herald]

dying in execute right as your deathmark is up

[cinder turtle]

I know dying in executive is the reason the barse is totally whack, but even checking 0:00 - 4:00 is a major difference between the other rogue and him, and all other rogues vs him on comparison

Even exclusively on boss damage

I just wish I knew assa better to know what he's actually doing wrong - I think it's uptime, and then the overall is just affected due to death right before execute, but idk man

[balmy condor]

he was in my stream earlier asking about it as well let me take a look real quick

[cinder turtle]

I think he mentioned you when I was log reviewing with him too actually bless him!

[balmy condor]

Damage Done - Mug'Zee, Heads of Security...

[proper schooner]

I just got myth priory trinket in my vault and I already have a hero track HOC, with the BIS delve trinket at champ track, the sim for HOC priory trinket is my highest but that would mean im on 2 on use trinkets, is that terrible or what?

[solid hemlock]

thats terrible yes

[waxen oyster]

bis means nothing

if different tracks

[proper schooner]

Well signet and champ delve is a 1.0% up and signet HOC is 1.2%

is the .2% worth going double on use

Guess im gonna take it anyways, but just curious what i should actually equip

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b3aYDpdDnWYX5sDG9X6rwa

[waxen oyster]

mythic signet is the best on use if you have no myth hoc

[solid hemlock]

how shit is the delve trinket that signet hoc sims better

[proper schooner]

Well it is champ track

i think the delve trinket would be better if it wasnt champ track

[solid hemlock]

oh that makes sense

i would slam myth track signet + delve trinket or whatever best passive trinket you have

[proper schooner]

maybe ill just drop last donairs on a hero eye of kezan idk

wish myth boss clear was warband wide but we cant have shit with blizz as devs

[solid hemlock]

depends on what your focus is - if its raiding and bosses are alive for 5-6min go for it

for m+ i would suggest mythc track seaforium, prob even sims really well in raid

for your dinar

[proper schooner]

ah ur right, will have to clear my 12's first

[solar wyvern]

the second boss in the new dungeon makes you lose your DSM btw 🙂 its Ansurek all over again

[wicked zodiac]

guys wich enchant i gonna use on belt? crit or mast?

[naive crown]

unironically sim it

prob gonna depend on your current stat weights

[wicked zodiac]

ok

[worthy rose]

wowhead says mastery

if its wrong blame whispyr

[balmy hatch]

Hello, I have a question. I see 49 people out of 50 in the topladder using a 681 or 684 ilvl ring over circlet ring.
But Im currently ilvl 680 and using raidbots for multiples simulations and the best Ive done with the best gems setup is to have -0,3% dps with the ilvl 681 ring. So Im wondering why people on the topladder keeps using this? Is "dungeon slice" not a good thing to put for a good simulation? They value the +1% hp from the ilvl 681 ring compared to circlet? If someone could enlighten me, ty very much

[main bridge]

not everyone has the same gear so they don't have the same upgrades

[worthy rose]

in almost all situations, an assassination rogue will end up with a heroic or mythic jastor diamond plus a 681/684 ring alongside it

sim it to know for sure

but thats probably what you will end the season with

[ashen totem]

what sims best for you and best for them is different

[worthy rose]

cyrce circlet is insanely good tho

so if you want ot keep using it you can

hopefully this disc belt is the same for next season

[dense grove]

should i take this over the siren isles ring

its from vault

[worthy rose]

sim it at 684 and see

my guess is potnetially its not as good

[balmy hatch]

That was my "final" upgrade to swap my circlet for a ilvl 681 ring craft. But for me, its a downgrade of 0,3% somehow and I use same gear stats as the top50, I dont know

[worthy rose]

what is your other ring? @balmy hatch

[balmy hatch]

Maybe the 684 ring is the real thing

[dense grove]

thanks I keep forgetting simming is a hting

[balmy hatch]

Jastor

[worthy rose]

not sure i ended up using a jastor diamond and crafted ring

i dont pay too much attention to sims tho

[balmy hatch]

That was my plan

Currently on circlet + jastor

[worthy rose]

also if its 0.3% of a change

that could be within margin of error

have you simmed with the 681 ring plus circlet?

[balmy hatch]

Was planning to go for jastor + crafted ring for my last gilded

I did all the tests yes

I even paid the premium thing to be sure to test the whole gems setup lmao

To have the best use of crafted ri g

Ring

With the double gems

With the 13 gems possible

I thought people were maybe valuing the +100 000 hp instead of a bit of dps loss

But its a bit weird to me

[autumn frost]

I use circe in M+

and 684 ring in raid

[balmy hatch]

And yes, but the fact 49 out of 50 are choosing this while for me its always a dps loss, I dont understand it

[balmy hatch]

Whats the reason behind this? Better single target overall with 684 ring?

[autumn frost]

I simmed it

So yes lol

[balmy hatch]

Maybe the crit from 681 ring has better value than 0,3% dps loss since you get more combo points indirectly from the talent skilltree ?

Is it one of the reason that sims doesnt say?

[autumn frost]

I mean my sims put the circe ring ahead in M+ but behind in patchwork

as simple as that

[balmy hatch]

What is patchwork? Sorry english isnt my native language, Im not sure how to understand it

[autumn frost]

Single target

[balmy hatch]

Ty

[versed mica]

It's named after the boss from Naxx

Abomination boss that was just stand still and hit

[balmy hatch]

T'y guys for your answers, really appreciated

[solid hemlock]

technically circlet is a 7k dps gain for me in dslice, but for high keys i dont wanna be running around with a 658ilvl ring - i need the stamina

[autumn frost]

I took a verse ring from vault cause of that

if i get high enough wise

[balmy hatch]

So you value the +100 000 hp? For me its 9.6m to 9.7m hp

[autumn frost]

Wh en you get high enogh keys living is living. Most of th e time you're in danger of being oneshot

[balmy hatch]

(Well if its 7k dps anyway, its a win win for you)

[autumn frost]

if you mess up a mechanic

[solid hemlock]

i value being alive over a 7k dps increase in dslice yes

thats like a socket dps gain

[worthy rose]

rogue survivability is pretty shit

i had to roll a DK just to do the higher keys

16/17's etc

[solid hemlock]

i think its fine

[worthy rose]

you can do those as a rogue too

but you just gotta be good

which i unfortunately am not

hardstuck 3200 rogue

[autumn frost]

I mean

[worthy rose]

best i can do is 15 and 16'

[autumn frost]

rogue survivability is based on using feint

you can't take cheat in high keys

[solid hemlock]

yep you need to feint everything

[worthy rose]

i dont react fast enough for feint

[solid hemlock]

19/20's

[worthy rose]

i just take it to the face as a dk and deathstrike it back

very based

[autumn frost]

Y ou don't react for feint

[worthy rose]

why even use brainpower

[autumn frost]

you predict

[worthy rose]

exactly

i dont predict well enough

[autumn frost]

It's repetition

You learn what things does aoe

[worthy rose]

too much effort honestly

as a dk you just tank it and heal it back

ezpz

unholy realistically is just bleed build on steroids

[solid hemlock]

targeted spell weakaura, if sounds goes "blubb" i press feint - if sounds goes "blubb blubb" i press feint / evasion and pray to god my rsham gives me max hp

[worthy rose]

hold up

theres weakauras for this?

pls share

[solid hemlock]

i think im using this one - https://wago.io/TsFNFG1H7

the real fun is trying to snipe a healthpot between two casts so you can survive 2 spells with feint

[timber plume]

what are recommended stats for crafted dagger?

crit/mas?

does it even matter?

[solid hemlock]

sim it

[buoyant herald]

not really, assass likes all stats and at the amounts you get on daggers it's pretty unimportant

[sullen fjord]

Yo guys, how is rogue overall on PTR so far?

[frozen glacier]

[uneven plume]

so good. second boss unplayable as sin

[worthy rose]

do crit/mastery for the memes

coz its meta

[frozen glacier]

dont worry guys one of the surprise changes 1 week before launch will be deathstalker mark applying to the player and not the mob

[humble verge]

clearly

fatebound when

[fresh kelp]

If im looking to recraft, do I need another spark per recraft? ( Just changing stats from Sub stats to Sin )

[humble verge]

no

just some mats

[hidden bay]

buff will come

dont worry

[cinder geode]

Are there any settings that makes nameplates move around less in big packs?

Just annoying to target for bleeds when they are jittery

[winged sun]

be ready to face the worst sin boss in wow history

losing mark 24/7

and u got no shit to reapply mark

gg

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/we-will-flip-this-coin-flipping-coin-coin-flip-coin-taking-back-sunday20-gif-14316996

[storm forum]

i got CE yippee

[fallow canopy]

Grats

[opaque bolt]

huge prog gzzz ^^

[runic hinge]

gratz!!!

[static glacier]

yo sick, is it your first?

[keen spruce]

[storm forum]

like my 7th(?)

[cinder geode]

i got CE hooray

[mighty whale]

Is there an easy way to sim crafted pieces? Or just manually add each one, one at a time, to figure out which slot would be the biggest upgrade?

[main bridge]

droptimizer

[mighty whale]

oh nice, thank you for saving my sanity

[worn geyser]

am i trippin , you can reset the boss like mage right, throw knife --> vanish while knife in air?

[drifting cloud]

you can but it doesnt work 100% time like mage does

[worn geyser]

interesting, why not

[balmy condor]

jank

[dense cedar]

Rogue has no jank, its all just class fantasy about how living a life a crime will cosmically punish you

[fallow canopy]

New head canon just dropped

[royal hazel]

what dungeon casts weak aura's are we all using for high key M+?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[amber brook]

is it possible to even parse vex now

[fresh kelp]

Maintain CT even in Single Target, right?

[wise plover]

only on bleed build

[dense cove]

in a log the number of hits for envenom takes into account caustic hits from it? is that why hits is so much higher than casts?

[balmy condor]

open the spoiler

poison bomb is attached to envenom

[dense cove]

ahh i see, tyty

[haughty flicker]

we got to p2 on gally

boss dies thursday

[balmy condor]

big

[runic hinge]

and you thought you'd be on stix forever

[haughty flicker]

stix is still in my nightmares

i may have won the battle but he won the war

[bright tartan]

he has sponge bob va in russian voicover

[slim copper]

are we still running charged bolts?

[wraith girder]

Nah, see pins

[balmy condor]

Season 3 Set Bonuses
Video For Pookies As Requested feat. Stream Chat

Deathstalker

4pc: Shiv has 2 sec increased duration and consumes an application of your active Deathstalker's Mark when activated.```* This is a buff on your character, and it increases the effect of everything except the energy from darkest night (possibly a bug). This includes the bonus from Singular focus.
* As of now there doesn't seem to be much in the way of gameplay to optimize around it, play the same as you would currently and it just does more. Might want to consume clear the witnesses during shiv but unsure until we get sims.

**Fatebound**
```2pc: Kingsbane deals 10% increased damage and has 4 sec increased duration. Edge Case now flips an additional Fatebound Coin and activating Kingsbane triggers its effect.
4pc: Having a lucky Fatebound Coin reduces the cooldown of Deathmark by 30.0 sec and Kingsbane by 15.0 sec.```* Because of the edge case flips, the capstone is guaranteed in opener.
* Fatebound issue is still the bad AoE potential. The Tier set on Deathstalker is buffing no less than 3-4 raw aoe talents, which just widens the gap in M+/aoe
* the 45s cooldown kingsbane is a BIT janky, because cold blood is a 45 second cooldown but the cooldown doesn't start until you consumed both charges. Having cold blood for every kingsbane is essential since kingsbane is now flipping edge case coins, so the 45 seconds kingsbane ends up being more like 50ish seconds.
* at this time it's unclear how vanish fits into all of this. Best guess currently is to simply vanish to double edge case, either on the 2:15 kingsbane or the 3:00 deathmark depending on the fight

**Overall Opinion**
Deathstalker on first glance is the more boring of the two, but also ends up being the more playable of the two. Fatebound's tier set is far more interesting and gameplay-altering but it's still got all the Fatebound-baggage attached to it, making it less of a question of "which is better?" and more of a question of "can I come up with a reason to play fatebound over deathstalker". Blizzard really needs to look at Fatebound in the context of cleave/aoe and make concrete changes addressing its output. Fatebound cannot and should not be trying to survive off of single target alone.

[coral ibex]

yay video for pookies!!!!

[spice spire]

Need the pookie video

I can’t read

[balmy condor]

good thing I linked it

[haughty flicker]

how does shiv end up working out with 50s kingsbane

i watch video tomorrow so if its explained there feel free to tell me to fuck off

[balmy condor]

idk if I covered it

but just imagine your kingsbane is a dry shiv

and then everything linesup

[haughty flicker]

hopefully they do something about fatebound aoe

bc would be fun to at least be able to play it on anything other than pure st

[bright tartan]

it's an unsolvable game design situation, you can't just add aoe to fatebound it would require an immense amount of resources

[haughty flicker]

i mean they could change two lines of two talents and make it not actively hurt you in aoe

and that would be enough to start

lmao

[bright tartan]

not true blizzard would never let hero spec rot in aoe scenarios for 3 seasons

[haughty flicker]

surely

[timber plume]

is hero track house of cards better than hero track signet of the priory?

for cartel chip

i can get one or the other

[coral ibex]

they're the same

[timber plume]

ah so it's just preference?

[coral ibex]

yea

you can sim to verify

[vestal cliff]

HOC is better if you want to play Sub too

because of lower CD

[timber plume]

i'm stickin with assa

[wraith girder]

Maybe just try to get all M+ to 12 and get Myth Signet. 12s are not that hard since all the power ups in the last weeks.

[timber plume]

signet sims about 2k higher without upgrades

[subtle tundra]

my shiv is dry, my ass is tight

[hidden bay]

Hot

[vestal cliff]

my shiv is very wet when i see a new whispyr video

[quaint nimbus]

If i know for a fact i wont be getting myth jastor, is it worth keeping my heroic or should I replace it with a myth track or craft ring

[gloomy heart]

i look at rogue discord for the first time in a while and see this, sigh

[red schooner]

New video for the pookies?

[subtle tundra]

bla

[runic hinge]

[cinder geode]

Where would I go to find push groups for title range?

[gloomy heart]

LDF

LFG

[cinder geode]

is that a discord or a subreddit or smthn

[royal lantern]

[gloomy heart]

It’s a insane tool called Looking For Group, in wow!

[cinder geode]

And how do I use it

[royal lantern]

dont need to be a dick mate :3

@cinder geode they mean using the LFG tool for grouping which is kinda eeeeh.....? idk man lol

its mostly networking while actually doing keys

[gloomy heart]

I’m not, it’s just about meeting the right people and connecting that way etc

so LFG is a good start

[cinder geode]

Never actually found a consistent group off LFG

But I guess Ill try that from time to time see if it goes

[gloomy heart]

Diamond in the rough

But then you can connect through those people and play with good people they know

on and on

[keen spruce]

it's by far the best way to network unless you have high io people in your guild

you just need to be good and make a good impression and never make a single mistake and not be weird and be memorable enough for people to like you and time every key and get invited to someone's discord

then repeat that like 100 times

[runic hinge]

[wraith girder]

https://discord.gg/PgCG4xRM

[rotund oak]

awesome new vid,also big dry shiv hype

(also nice new dye)

[hearty seal]

hell yeah I got a myth helm from vault
10kk HP baybee

[balmy condor]

haven't dyed it

[golden loom]

damn getting third dinar actually gives me some dam cause I can get HoC and recraft to crit stuff

[subtle tundra]

ok

[red schooner]

Third dinar is gonna be jastors for me I reckon, I'm gonna sim but I can't see anything beating it

[rotund oak]

looks like it but wont argue,its ur hair

i like what i see

[vestal cliff]

i need to sim if i should get mythic pacemaker or HOC , i have mythic kezan and mythic signet

[real pike]

Just watched the new vid (fanx whispyr) and I noted in his KB sequence on the dummy he refreshed shiv as the last one dropped off, whereas I always refresh it one GCD earlier, have I been doing it wrong all this time?

[sharp viper]

you want it for the last 8s of kingsbane and since shiv doesn't pandemic there is no benefit to casting it early

[real pike]

Yah but shiv lasts for 8 seconds right and KB 14, so your first shiv finishes with 7 seconds left on KB

[brave comet]

so shiv at 8 seconds left

[wide gorge]

but u shyv 1 gcd before kb

[real pike]

So should I send second shiv with 1 second left so it finishes at the same time as KB (what I have been doing) or send shiv as the second one ends so it lasts a second longer than KB (what Whispyr did in the video)

[brave comet]

yes

[wide gorge]

just send it whenever it expires

[brave comet]

but it doesnt matter that much

[real pike]

Ye that's factored in, 14-7=7

Cause I feel like if you send the second one as the first finishes, there's a chance you miss one tick of KB

[brave comet]

it wont put you ahead of anyone in the parses, so its not a big deal

[real pike]

Well you could say that about many things that when all put together, do affect your throughput materially

I also find it interesting

So far I've had 2 opposing responses so I'm curious as to what is optimal

[brave comet]

let me put it this way, if youve been doing your rotation correctly, you have not missed on your 100% parses because of this

[real pike]

I'm literally asking what the correct rotation is

[golden loom]

well covering the final tick of KB would be more important than a tick in the middle (if you for some reason were to miss a tick due to a too early or too late cast shiv)

[brave comet]

i already answered, 1 second before shiv ends

[golden loom]

but idk I feel it usually lines up in a way where you press a global as theres 1 second left on shiv and then you instantly get to shiv next GCD

[real pike]

And someone else answered as shiv ends

[golden loom]

that also doesnt waste any shiv uptime

[real pike]

This also seems to imply that

[real pike]

Don't think you can miss a tick at the end though because of the GCD right

You can't really cast it any earlier than to line up with KB exactly

[brave comet]

then take the answer that keeps your shiv uptime

test it out?

[real pike]

I wish I was good enough or smart enough to know how to test individual ticks being affected hah

[brave comet]

you dont need to though, you just need to watch your shiv buff and then line it up

[real pike]

I've been doing this with 2 seconds left

Interesting

[golden loom]

a bit scuffed cause I tried to screenshot at the exact same time but just did a opener and by pressing global after global it lined up to where I shiv as the previous one just ended

(the screenshot is mid-shiv press)

[real pike]

Yeah that's the way whispyr did it in the video

But I always see a super quick flash of the '21' cooldown between the first one ending and the reapplication

Which makes me scared I'm missing a tick

But I'm not sure if I risk missing the final tick of KB doing it my way, which is just reapplying 1 GCD earlier

[brave comet]

dont be dramatic, you dont need to be scared

its really such a minor loss

[real pike]

Some people enjoy trying to eliminate all the tiny losses even if they suck and just parse averagely anyway 🙂

I find it interesting above all

How it all works

[brave comet]

if you parse average, it means you should focus on what youre doing wrong in your rotation than worry about a singular KB tick

[red schooner]

Sometimes it's nice to know how things work

[brave comet]

its like missing the forest for the trees to be honest, and the question has already been answered by multiple people

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-eating-popcorn-watching-you-watching-drama-the-chat-watching-the-chat-gif-2227940436337602914

[real pike]

My brother maybe just let people enjoy what they enioy 😅

[real pike]

Yeah with opposing answers

Which kind of shows it's not just a straightforward thing

[normal mist]

[brave comet]

its pretty straight forward, if you dont wanna miss a single KB tick. Then shiv coming off the GCD in the last second of your first shiv buff cause it will line up perfectly

[normal mist]

Anything I could try to help you with homie?

[dull bramble]

hey. im new to rogue. do I have to maintain 100% uptime on slice and dice ?

[normal mist]

You don't care about it

You'll have it up 100% of the time you need it

Also remove that from your bars

It's now a passive talent. When you envenom, you gain snd

[dull bramble]

oh? nice

[normal mist]

Check "cut to the chase" passive on your spellbook

[ocean root]

Hey guys! I took on great vault reward the improvised seaforium trinket on mythic i lvl. I had previously signet (mythic) + suspicious energy drink ( heroic delve trinket). When i use dungeon slice sim the heroic trinket sith signet is kind better than seforium+ signet. Should i trust that sim? Or is more reliable eith the last combination? Thanks for your time!

[normal mist]

Sims are reliable

[brave comet]

https://streamable.com/vlwr1p

[normal mist]

So trust Sims

[ocean root]

Although for some 14+ dungeons the fights are kond of different that's why i dont know if the dungeon slice is the better sim option for that keys

I mean overall on dungeons may improvised and signet do better than the delve trinket

[normal mist]

Dungeon slice is your best m+ sim type

[ocean root]

Ahaa thank you for your time @normal mist!!

[real pike]

I'm just wondering whether people send second shiv during KB with 1 second left on the first, or as it expires

[normal mist]

[balmy condor]

sims currently let it drop for a fraction of a second cause the logic is set to cast the second charge at <8, so kingsbane would need to have 7.99 or less, which would mean the first shiv drops. That being said though this is also just a complete waste of effort cause moving it forward or back 1 gcd to either <9 (which would clip), or <7 (which would leave a dead gcd), and it doesn't matter at all

I ran it twice just to make sure

[normal mist]

Thanks Whispyr

[real pike]

My fucking guy

[normal mist]

I didn't even have to vanish this time

[real pike]

That is very interesting

Thank you sir

[balmy condor]

yeh turns out you can just kinda randomly hit buttons and it's fine

[real pike]

One button rotation optimal?

[balmy condor]

was the same thing with transmitter last season, people were freaking out about the transmitter timing but if you popped it legit at any point within like a 6-7 second window it was completely neutral

[brave comet]

lmao

[balmy condor]

and then they said assa sims were cooked cause I kept it as popping on the shiv between dm and kb

but then they also said I was sandbagging sims cause assa sims low

even though it has simmed low since the dawn of fucking time and I can't do anything about that

BUT THATS A DIFFERENT CONVO

[brave comet]

assassination sucks? time to swap to outlaw

[real pike]

Yeah dude why is my sim so much lower than WW monk WTF

[balmy condor]

simcraft devs don't want you to use this one simple trick to pump up your sim numbers to the moon (adding a fake enchant to your tabard that grants an extra 10,000 agi)

[real pike]

Damn I can't wait to be parsing ~20 higher now I'm hitting shiv one GCD later, this is going to solve all my issues

Thanks Whispyr, you da best!

[ancient rain]

Guys what's our Twitter hashtag to make rogue better?

[normal mist]

XD

It's a DK only feature

[golden loom]

interesting looking stats now

[normal mist]

No you

[brave comet]

your haste is 13k?

[golden loom]

yes

[brave comet]

whats your gear cause my stat distribution is so different

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9u3NExhnVUEFUn1KoH4HX9

[brave comet]

13.7k crit, 4.8k haste, 22.9k mastery, 3.5k vers is my distribution

[normal mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1131266466289819779/caption.gif

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/spearhyunho-gif-17038186950213244823

[rotund oak]

the fact that u are human fills me with hope

everyone knows humans are the best

[royal lantern]

the best at being the 2nd worst

(elves are the worst)

[rotund oak]

u are jealous

[pliant remnant]

being a human in a fantasy game

https://tenor.com/view/spearhyunho-gif-17038186950213244823

[red schooner]

I'm barely human irl so just let me pretend okay

[zenith elm]

I'm a nelf and always will be a nelf

[rotund oak]

u can still be a human in a fantasy game though

thats some L excuse

[pliant remnant]

https://imgur.com/E9Ub5Kt

[rotund oak]

okay

not this human

[royal lantern]

im playing DnD for a long time now

EVERY.SINGLE.TIME somebody plays a Human, its the guy that never says a single word and then stops after 2 Sessions because its no videogame

[rotund oak]

ive got a dentist appointment in 2 hours and im kinda scared even being this old

so that makes two irrelevant informations

[nova kelp]

human is bestest

[urban anvil]

Do we still think sin st will be low in m+ with deathstalker in season 3

[rotund oak]

my magic ball says fatebound

[normal mist]

My magic ball says akshevqlshf qosbfsabsvdi

... I don't understand demonic tho

[urban anvil]

But that sucks in aoe so not good in m+

[normal mist]

We'll have to wait for Father Whispyr to tell us

In the meantime we can dance to

https://tenor.com/view/singing-rumi-mira-zoey-kpop-demon-hunters-gif-8906307951989422781

https://tenor.com/view/you're-all-i-can-think-of-saja-boys-kpop-demon-hunters-i-can't-stop-thinking-about-you-netflix-gif-6863021847062562997

Why is this all over my IG fyp

[rotund oak]

yeah magic ball is foggy,will summon spirits later this week

lul

[urban anvil]

Haha

I just wonder if the deathstalker tier set will help out more in m+ st than what we have now

[normal mist]

It will

Since we'll have more DN procs

It will be more damage overall, but again

🔮

[balmy condor]

tier sets increase damage

this is true

[nova kelp]

but will we be the best dps?

[balmy condor]

yes we'll be mommy's special boy

[nova kelp]

yay I'll play rogue then

[red schooner]

[nova kelp]

this news made my robodoge happy

[urban anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878