assassination

[plush umbra]

feels like it's usually feral that has that kind of degeneracy just to play it well, more so than other specs

[shrewd night]

As far as feral goes youd cancelmacro shred and rake, skullbash while also dealing with sunfire shenanigans

It was straight ass gameplay noone wanted

[royal lantern]

something something "feral druid players like having to shift out of cat form to use their CR, because it gives the spec friction, which they like"

god i loved that comment

[plush umbra]

you wouldn't play feral if you didn't like friction

you have friction getting into guilds, getting into raids, getting into keys

[red schooner]

I just wanted to be a cat

[plush umbra]

I still remember the good old trick to get into a key

just enter the dungeon in moonkin form

and most people wouldn't double check your spec

[shrewd night]

[static glacier]

Feral is unironically really good at what it does atm

Might be best burst aoe ingame

[midnight mist]

definitly in the top 5 key dps rn

[static glacier]

St is also strong

Only issues I personally have is the kick can murder you / feels somewhat squishy

Compared to rogue, ret, dk

[midnight mist]

uhdk > balance > arcane (but does low overall) > outlaw/assa/feral

[static glacier]

Is sham not in the convo?

[midnight mist]

ye

i think its weaker than these 3 specs tho

barely

[static glacier]

You seen any fdk?

[midnight mist]

nop

[static glacier]

I think it’s kinda sleeper tbh

[midnight mist]

i think they play frost in top

[static glacier]

Ye

It’s also really good st

Right up there with sv and dark ranger mm

[midnight mist]

true forgot mm

mm is also contender for 5th

i think its funny how there is like

[static glacier]

I think people are playing sentinel for aoe

[midnight mist]

a lot of "meta" specs

[static glacier]

In reality there’s only 3 meta dps

Xd

[midnight mist]

its hard to say which is better between all these specs aswell

[midnight mist]

I mean idk

[static glacier]

Here’s a question, wtf happened to warlock

[final star]

I seen't feral do 30M dps on first pull of cinderbrew

is that good

[midnight mist]

You see the off meta comps or

[static glacier]

Destro was hyped on patch launch

[static glacier]

Ye I see phys comps, it’s good to see

[midnight mist]

Ye well

Right until yesterday where our tank is gone for vacation for a week

[static glacier]

If they never nerfed chaos brand / arc int phys comps might not be as viable

[midnight mist]

We were r1 eu/na team

Playing that comp

I don't think

It's necessarily that worse

[static glacier]

I think I watched you time a mother lose

Was 20 or 21

[royal lantern]

WERE

nuub

[midnight mist]

Where?

[royal lantern]

not even r1 anymore

[midnight mist]

Were

Ye well

We might take it back but our tank is gone so

Can't really anymore

[royal lantern]

excuses

[midnight mist]

But my point is

And we aren't the only off meta comp that has been doing well this seaosn

My point is

[shrewd night]

zac is just saying I should live my dream

[midnight mist]

There is a lot of good specs

[shrewd night]

And meow loud as fuck in keys

[midnight mist]

This season

Yes

Coincidentally Aug is trash

[royal lantern]

be a cat with somebody that feeds you all day?

[shrewd night]

(except keys this late in season is megaboring so unlucky ig go next)

[midnight mist]

I will let people draw conclusions from that

[royal lantern]

"they just need to add more sUpPoRtS and its no problem anymore!!!!!!"

[midnight mist]

yeye

fuck that

keep aug trash instead

easier for everyone

[royal lantern]

when a spec gets nerfed into unplayable and the game gets BETTER for it + many peolle are relived

you fucked up with it

[midnight mist]

bro

aug made everyone forget about pi

thats how crazy aug is

[feral mason]

I think new aug is fine

[midnight mist]

no

the fact it makes details un usable

is already cringe af

[feral mason]

cringe but not like you’ll be playing with an aug anytime soon

[midnight mist]

hopefully i wont

you know

i wonder if this season also doesnt highlight how problematics raid buffs are

melee comp is basically 15/20% buff to outlaw

[royal lantern]

i mean, raidbuffs themself are not problematic for their intended desing, aka RAIDS

[midnight mist]

which is kinda wild

[royal lantern]

but then comes m+

and m+ always ruins everything

[feral mason]

scrolls that only work in m+ when

[royal lantern]

[feral mason]

[midnight mist]

yep

[shrewd night]

Aug has existed for several tiers, and people are still kicking augs for low dam

[royal lantern]

based

[midnight mist]

good

fuck aug players

[red schooner]

I just kick augs regardless

[feral mason]

lowkey id outdps anyone in a 10 if i logged a geared aug right now

[red schooner]

I'll use any excuse

Low damage, allergic to dragons, bad name

[royal lantern]

tbh, its also on blizz for refusing to let aug dmg being visible in details/logs

[shrewd night]

be Koffing
Silently enjoy aug because it was braindead playstyle in keys

[feral mason]

I literally just say im specist and leave/kick whenever I see an aug

[midnight mist]

fuck you koffing

[shrewd night]

[royal lantern]

idk, disable them in m+ or smth like that

or bring back fucking scrolls

[shrewd night]

Imagine if

Hear me out

[feral mason]

Idk both solutions suck in that it’ll result in class stacking

[shrewd night]

They were perma aura buffs in keys above 10

[red schooner]

Scrolls would be neat given our intermittent shaman attendance in raids

No shaman makes me sad

[feral mason]

at some point we’re just going to playing a whole different game above 10s with all the new rules that suddenly appear

[royal lantern]

i mean, class stacking in m+ is not really a thing unless shit is really fucked balanced wise

[feral mason]

or 12s

[shrewd night]

Dawg

Noone plays keys under 10 anymore

Its that piss

[feral mason]

you do a 12 and you’re suddenly playing fortnite

[midnight mist]

ye but specs are tuned for raid, with all raid buffs

so that wouldnt work

[feral mason]

Thats just due to turbo boost though

[midnight mist]

rather it should all be enabled by default

[feral mason]

First few weeks of season

Alot of people could legit not time 10s

[royal lantern]

there are 4 key ranges that exist

+7, the "new character that reached max level 2 days ago and wants the heroic items"

+10 for vault

+12 for KSM

and the handfull of people that go above +12 for pushing lol

[royal lantern]

we had scrolls

but no

blizz gonna blizz

make up a shity reason and remove

[midnight mist]

i also think every healer should have lust/kick/brez

[feral mason]

do you just play three outlaws if you have all raid buffs automatically in priory though

or at least 2

[midnight mist]

This season I literally struggled to have comps with lust and rez

[royal lantern]

BL should be on tanks, all healers should have a cr

[shrewd night]

brb generating key stats from rio. I highly doubt I did any keys under 10s after second or third reset unless I specificly targeted loot

[red schooner]

And watch as the mages complain

Not allowed to upset the mages

[feral mason]

Warrior is getting cr probably

For whatever reason

morgan day said so

[midnight mist]

the comps wouldnt even change timmy

[royal lantern]

mages can use one of their 3046703710406 deffensives to dodge it

[feral mason]

no way you wouldnt replace warrior

[midnight mist]

do you realize r1 comp doesnt even really have raid buff synergies

[shrewd night]

Try to get warriors to do anything but zug zug challenge

[midnight mist]

oh you mean for melee omp

sure sure

[feral mason]

what does warrior do

except 5% and aight damage

[shrewd night]

Nothing

[midnight mist]

ye eye

sure

[red schooner]

They have the commanding shout thing I guess

[feral mason]

i mean you wouldnt even play anything closely resembling melee comp

[red schooner]

Or whatever it's called

[feral mason]

if you had all buffs

Ofc

[midnight mist]

why not

its style synergyze well

in term of always damage

[golden loom]

rallying cry might the worst ability in the game 😦

[midnight mist]

small packs

[shrewd night]

Always dam, stops out the wazoo

[feral mason]

is there really any reason to play brew over vengeance

[red schooner]

Yeah that one, I forgot the name

[feral mason]

outside of the buff synergy

[midnight mist]

no

brew is trash

you are right

idk

[red schooner]

Not wanting to play demon hunter

[midnight mist]

tune game btter i guess

[static glacier]

It’s only 12s tbh, crests are the real bottleneck for char gear

[cunning needle]

good, they should be kicked IRL as well

[feral mason]

Like

Outlaw would be viable fs

[static glacier]

Even on a 650 rat I’m getting friends to bring it to 12s, same as I do for them

[midnight mist]

brew does insane dam

[feral mason]

Doesnt vengeance do nearly the same

[midnight mist]

every season

nop

[royal lantern]

no

[feral mason]

or do I play with bad brews

[royal lantern]

veng is the lowest dmg tank rn iirc

[midnight mist]

brew is always the damage tank

[feral mason]

seen vengeance goobers do like

2.5-3

[midnight mist]

always does more damage than otehr tanks

[feral mason]

only mordrim did similar

[midnight mist]

if anything this season its doing low damage

[feral mason]

maybe people just suck at brew

[midnight mist]

i remember in df

equinox

[royal lantern]

veng just lives, they cant die if the, survive the first 5seconds of a pull

[midnight mist]

was doing dps damaage

as brew

[feral mason]

ye

its weak this season

[midnight mist]

ye

kidna

[feral mason]

Been playing it

[shrewd night]

Thanks for mentioning equinox, I should go check what shantiana is doing these days

[feral mason]

Aoe stinky

Low target count is blessed though

[midnight mist]

nothing

[royal lantern]

nah its more like

in m+, brew just sucks at actually staying alive, and the dmg doesnt really help

[midnight mist]

she isnt playing wow

[shrewd night]

My prayers have been heard

[midnight mist]

brew is jsut not good this season really

its funny its "meta" now

when it has been better all df i think

I do like playing with brew tho

It's a tank that has very quick setup

Runs fast and dash

And ring is a cool spell

It also has a poison dispell which is useless this season but is usually quite strong

[keen mantle]

rogueismeta

[grim jay]

Speaking of prayers, can you enable the new gradient coloring for roles so people complain about it?

[final star]

they should rotate the raid buffs through m+

this week is druid and mage buff let's go

m+ saved

thanks

[midnight mist]

When are you bringing out the rogue dude it's not even bad

[keen mantle]

Ye i think so too , but you need an entire team to play around kinda

which is weird

[grim jay]

Yeah never happened before

[midnight mist]

I mean I think zeross comp was also alright

[grim jay]

[midnight mist]

With assa arms dk

Resto sham dh

[keen mantle]

But if you put it in comparison with godcomp

isnt godcomp straight up better?

idk

[midnight mist]

Idk

Maybe

Prolly

[keen mantle]

i think if rogue was doing 15-20% more st

MAYBE meta

haha

[midnight mist]

But is it that much behind tho

[keen mantle]

its survivability and shit mostly imo

[midnight mist]

For assa ?

Or you mean the comp in general

[keen mantle]

ye i mean if you want rogue you replace dk most likely

or mage

which doesnt sound optimal

[midnight mist]

Yes

Melee comp more fun tho

[shrewd night]

N

[keen mantle]

i wish i would be playing outlaw literally haha

[midnight mist]

I know right

It's so fun hehe

[midnight mist]

Wait

Can we tho

[jade abyss]

Where a the sub m+ players D:

[shrewd night]

1. No, over my dead body
2. Not available to us yet

[midnight mist]

Ah

[nova aspen]

[grim jay]

The first aint an issue

But why the 2?

[shrewd night]

Discord eat da poopoo

I can under duress be convinced to allow gradient role color for defias brotherhood >:)

[midnight mist]

I didn't know you were anti color gradient tho, disappointed

[nova aspen]

damn

i might have to resubscribe

[shrewd night]

People find new ways to add visual clutter to their screens, call me the last bastion of cleanliness

[grim jay]

Well same, but I like people complaining

And I do like that much more than cleanliness on discord

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kira-wildcard-wildcard-kira-kira-wildcard-kasane-teto-gif-1886194823733429591

[nova aspen]

accurate

[royal hazel]

hey fam, is greater echoing void still under peforming?

[static glacier]

yes

if it gets fixed / changed whisp will drop a pin

[royal hazel]

fair

[subtle tundra]

they literally pay, if they want it they should get it

[royal hazel]

me sad, cos it sims so much higher

[static glacier]

anyone up for helping me figure out where im missing like 20k dps compared to bis sim?

nvm found it

[normal mist]

What about a new color for m+ andies

So whispyr can mute them all easily

[spice surge]

Unfortunately the other specs are just better, but sub is not bad

[dapper cradle]

We should do political party tags

[static glacier]

I stand for the iron horde xd

[dapper cradle]

That would be cool and fun and not incendiary

[static glacier]

jokes aside politics is far too divisive to ever really be a good thing on a big discord like this

it just makes people resent eachother, the game is escapism

politics takes us back to the daily struggles we face

[red schooner]

We don't need politics to do that

[dapper cradle]

I want a bloodsail buccaneer tag

[cunning needle]

true, there's already enough infighting with specs

[static glacier]

issue with politics is it is conducive to scapegoating someone standing for an opposing ideology for your current issues

in wow terms it would be

[normal mist]

But hey, ignoring outlaw, we rogues always back each other's up, vs other classes

[static glacier]

stop being a sub main, if sin were more popular we'd be better tuned like ret and wouldn't be tank sim dps every tier

[royal hazel]

what was it?

[red schooner]

Even outlaw we back them up if another class chats shit

[static glacier]

drop a haste ring for crit/vers which sims same as crit/mast

so ill take the dr

[red schooner]

We don't like outlaw but if a mage starts chatting shit, we support outlaw

Fuck mages

[cunning needle]

no one bullies us except us

FUCK MAGES

[normal mist]

RIGHT

FUCK MAGES

@rotund oak

Fuck your mage

[red schooner]

Until a FFXIV player pipes up against mages and then...

You know what, fuck the mage, FFXIV player probably has good points.

[cunning needle]

YEAH FUCK YOUR MAGE @rotund oak

[normal mist]

Such a big brother vibe

[normal mist]

FF14 good

[red schooner]

It's like the french and the British, we hate each other until an American pipes up

At which point, united front

[normal mist]

Portugal + UK

Probably the longest partnership that ever existed

Since 1373

Where my UK homies at

[red schooner]

PortUKal, strong

[rotund oak]

uninstalled retail but ye,fuck mages,boring@ss godtier class

preparing for mop arenas,sht's going down

[normal mist]

Let's gooo my man

Fuck them up

Especially mages

[rotund oak]

mage bacon comin' up

[static glacier]

mop arena was so fun

first time I ever got 2k+ was in mop 2s, I was lock with frost mage xd

[normal mist]

I was a frost mage and I got to 2.4 in mop

Frost mage + holy priest

[rotund oak]

was fully commited to rogue did 2s 2.2 3s 2.5-ish

[normal mist]

But I was playing on private server

Molten wow was the name back then

[rotund oak]

yup

[royal lantern]

not related to warlock chaos bolts 1hitting players, right?

[rotund oak]

many bigboys were playing on pservers

[normal mist]

I remember many of them man

[static glacier]

or 2x chaos wave doing the same shit

xd

or affli healing more than healers

[normal mist]

There was this one rogue mage team trying things like 100-0

[static glacier]

🙂

[rotund oak]

yup,can also remember like 5-6 r1s doing crazy stuff

like hydra,big Z,

[static glacier]

deep freeze was a hellova spell

[rotund oak]

kalimist

[normal mist]

To this day I don't know why they took it from mages

[static glacier]

oh you're already frozen and about to get wrecked? how about we double down on that

frost bomb into deep was so gross

[rotund oak]

yeah and u couldnt trade anything for that

once u where pinned down it was all over

[royal lantern]

maybe you, i could

[static glacier]

you either get an external or have a def running from before or a defensive u can press in stun

otherwise you're dead or so far behind once you're out it's doomed

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but im drinking cold coffee with bailleys

3 rocks

cant do anything with so much heat anyway

[static glacier]

baileys is so good

gives me gas though, one flight I went crazy with like 11 rounds of baileys on the rocks

[rotund oak]

lol

im not into heavy drinking,just like the combination

especially in the summer

its godly

[static glacier]

neiher am I dw, it was just i was stuck on a plane for like 9 hrs

and free drinks

xd

[quiet oar]

I had Toffee liqour from bailies this weekend

it was really nice

[rotund oak]

u are german

so its ok

[quiet oar]

???????

[rotund oak]

its literally german baileys creme isnt it

what !???!??!?

is all about

[quiet oar]

Is it

idk

[rotund oak]

yes it is

literally manufactured by BEHN

[quiet oar]

[rotund oak]

in eckemforde

[royal lantern]

yoooooo

yout name on the bottle

[main bridge]

that sounds good

[rotund oak]

very very good actually

totally recommend

generally tiramisu taste is absolutely amazing

[royal hazel]

raidbot isnt simming correctly right now, da fk

[royal hazel]

can you link your sim?

[static glacier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3yrNPWdKTgFGAi4eXVQjfS

goes to show sin really dgaf about stats if ur top is mast for priory

[snow hamlet]

[royal hazel]

where am i missing dmg

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kQxutAXMwYQ8U7XS7rXGwD

[static glacier]

myth jastor missing

maghar too

thats litterally it

[royal hazel]

racial

ahh i thought so

thank you for looking

[static glacier]

np

[wet spire]

I need a mythic ring so I can get rid of that stupid cyrces ring i hate it so much

[jade carbon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

crafted works

[wet spire]

i cant say that i actually simmed it i didnt want to waste the shit but now that it doesnt matter maybe i do lol

[coral ibex]

bruh

8 hour maintenance today

this belt better give me sloppy top

[midnight mist]

owned na noobs

[wet spire]

Yeah no belt for me before raid

[wet spire]

The belt is going to be bugged and you will like it

[rotund oak]

8 sounds like alot

[royal lantern]

imagine playing on the ALpha test server

[red schooner]

NA beta testing server maintenance, thanks guys

[normal mist]

We should appreciate our NA homies more

They beta test all the shit

[limpid flume]

Do we know how much of a dps increase it is?

This scuffed af belt

[red schooner]

Like 2% or something

There's a pin I think

Maybe

[limpid flume]

Oh really sorry

[red schooner]

NW, yeah there's a pin, I forgot it existed myself

I just remember seeing a number floating out there

[grand trail]

finally my time to shine

[heavy jolt]

how many delves are we lookin at?

[strange python]

in 17 or 18s, do i go bleed build if we have an arcane mage in group?

[strange python]

What's this?

[grand trail]

one button rottation

[cyan trellis]

im kinda confused does highlighting have gcd penalty

is assa ST lower because of like dry shiv

because rotationally its pretty free

[midnight mist]

@shrewd night I have a friend that is trying to show me his paladin's mog 3d render that he did, can I open ?

[shrewd night]

[past marten]

@midnight mist we have the same friend then

[indigo mulch]

wait are you saying that the one button rotation is only 15% off? D:

[jolly vault]

only is a brave word

[spice spire]

15% is a bit

[past marten]

what if you're 20% off by pressing the buttons yourself

big win

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[autumn frost]

You still need to position properly

uptime is a huge part of damage

[past marten]

I got 120% uptime if I only have to press one button

[indigo mulch]

I mean, i still think its pretty good. 😮 Those people who are still trying to kill gally on hc. This will be a god sent for them D:

[royal lantern]

15% is like what

the numbers we did in week2 of the patch?

lol

[past marten]

I was trying to help a hc gally group yesterday and the average player did 1.2 mio dps

[royal lantern]

if you think thats good

lol

[indigo mulch]

I don't think you understand the difference between a mythic raider and the 52 year old dad who plays once a week.

[royal lantern]

yes, and its for those people

but its njot close to be a "serious" option

because its not supposed to be

[indigo mulch]

Exactly, like i said. I think its a god sent for them.

Not sure what your trying to implicate here D:

[past marten]

I'd be interested in the percentage of players that actually performs better than 85% of the sim if you made them hit a dummy

[pastel pendant]

What if you are both?

[obsidian marlin]

or if you raid lead and gotta divide your attention

[indigo mulch]

I'm closer to 40 than i am 30 at this point :C

[gritty laurel]

does one button still throw knives or did they update it to be better than randomly facerolling the keyboard?

[obsidian marlin]

low dps has way more to do with other things than a bad rotation most of the time though

[royal lantern]

mate, if you do mythic (where you need a raidleader) and somebody uses that

you leave

cus thats not a guild you want to be in lol

no matter the position

[pastel pendant]

Mid- 30s was prime time!

[royal lantern]

its HARD trolling

[past marten]

I am not sure if you are serious Tryan

[indigo mulch]

I wish, its all kids and no chill. :C

[royal lantern]

ofc i am

[gritty laurel]

he's serious because he's right

[past marten]

There's so many players who are much worse than 85% of the sim

Who raid 2 times a week in Mythic

and get CE every single season

[gritty laurel]

i would crash out if i were in a mythic raiding guild hitting dps checks with someone using 1-button

[royal lantern]

bro, you tell me there is this miracolous raidleader that you need to have sucess but at the same time cant play bm hunter and press killcommand on CD?

[small bane]

39 here, its....something!

[royal lantern]

you realise that in reality it will be even worse then those numbers in the post right

no consumables, no cds, no trinkets

[indigo mulch]

Eyy, we should get an elderly status here on ravenholdt.

That way we can sit together and talk about how good it used to be when we were young.

[small bane]

I am very bad now

[royal lantern]

thats having a red or green name

[small bane]

I was in a top100 US guild and half good in WotLK ;_;

[indigo mulch]

[pastel pendant]

I wasn't really agreeing with you until this. Ya what happens to 1 button mid rotation when you have to move for a bit and start over? or holding cooldowns for a better time, etc

[small bane]

One button should raise the floor

but won't actually help people who were trying and learning

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obsidian marlin]

it doesn’t press major cds afaik

[past marten]

If the one button is actually going to give you 85%+ (not all specs will of course), I am convinced at least a third of the mythic raider pop would gain dps

[royal lantern]

or the fact that it literally uses 25% less abilitys

and almost all classes have some form of CDr build in

so you have less cdr

oh look, the firemage now doesnt have their cds for a window where they normaly would have them

🙂

[royal lantern]

if you belive that

you legit dont know how big of a negative it is lol

jesus christ that is a insane sentence

[small bane]

It should make PUG Heroics nicer

[zenith elm]

Hello

[small bane]

[past marten]

I just believe a large amount of players is shit at the game

even if they play mythic

[royal lantern]

they are

but they are not "25% less ability usage" bad

even on heroic

[past marten]

that's cap

on heroic

what

[royal lantern]

mate, even on shity heroic runs nobody stands around and has 25% less casts then another guy of the same spec

show me a single log of that happening

[zenith elm]

On heroic its caps i'd say

[obsidian marlin]

uhhh seen more than enough peeps below tank dps even in mythic

[small bane]

My logs parse green to blue (on a good day), but I'm actually hitting roughly par with sims.

[royal lantern]

or stop acting it is that way lol

[past marten]

lmao

[small bane]

I am doing something worng.

[fallow canopy]

You're welcome

[past marten]

you gotta be hard capping

I don't need logs

[gritty laurel]

the people who are doing tank dps spend half the fight looking at the floor, one-button doesn't fix that

[royal lantern]

so no evidence and just "im right"

gotcha

[past marten]

I legit played a heroic gally for 2 hours last night to help some french players

who did 1.3 mio average dps

[zenith elm]

bc you have the dmg buff

[obsidian marlin]

nah i had someone parse a 0 and was alive the whole time

[small bane]

Shit you're right.

[royal lantern]

how much of that is people being either dead or undergeared af

[small bane]

I feel very stupid

[royal lantern]

and not cus of gameplay

[zenith elm]

Np mate, much love ❤️

[obsidian marlin]

681 so fully geared

[royal lantern]

akshually fully geared is 683-684

[zenith elm]

its an achievement in itself

[past marten]

I would argue about my statement in Mythic and concede some ground

[wet wharf]

How do you guys play gally mythic? Do you always rupture the nearby add for more energy?

[past marten]

but in Heroic

hell no

[zenith elm]

not the first one, always the rest

i'd say

[past marten]

if you blast through heroic with a zerg of mythic raiders, of course you won't see these people

but that's not a good representation of your average heroic raider

[coral ibex]

see the problem with assuming the 1 button rota will be a buff to some players is assuming they will maintain gcd uptime

[zenith elm]

Maybe other ppl have different opinion, but i find it easier to do when you move so first one i dont even think about it bc sometimes i'm still in CD

[coral ibex]

bad players simply stop pressing buttons

it wont matter that there's only 1 button to press

[zenith elm]

THIS ^^^^^^

[past marten]

don't you think that not thinking about what button to press frees up mental bandwidth?

[zenith elm]

it's a big problem of ppl just not pressing their buttons

[coral ibex]

like they dont even know that they're not pressing buttons

[past marten]

I think people just get overwhelmed with doing mechanics and pressing their rotation

[coral ibex]

they dont have the mental bandwith to be aware of how often they are pressing a button

[zenith elm]

Oooh it does, but it free it up to think about nothing

[royal lantern]

or good CD usage

or trinket usage

and ignoring how many specs have way way way worse CD windows with it because they have less cdr

and how it kinda falls appart in muli target aswell

like

[vivid lodge]

do we dont play at +17 and above bleed anymore?

[royal lantern]

its a acesability option

and its good for that

but acting that its a INCREASE for most players is insane

[zenith elm]

if ppl dont care about their rotation, they obviously dont care about their mechanics i'd say

[royal lantern]

people timed +20 keys with it

[zenith elm]

seen it at 20 so

[coral ibex]

yea im just saying anyone who is like omg this is going to make players i know measurably worse is literally smoking fent

[zenith elm]

up to you man

[royal lantern]

there is no objective best build, it depeends on the team comp

[vivid lodge]

k ty

[zenith elm]

ppl who thinks its gonna help them? oooooh its gonna HELP A LOT

[royal lantern]

if you play with a balance druid and unholy dk, you dont play bleed cus you allresdy have 2 giga aoe guys as an example

[zenith elm]

bc

if you press your buttons, you KNOW its not gonna help you

[past marten]

Well, I think it definitely improves a large chunk of the player base. You can argue at what points that improvement happens, but I am quite convinced that we overestimate how good the average heroic raider is.

[zenith elm]

Depends about which moments in the season

[obsidian marlin]

they can just spam the button non stop right? even while moving and doing other things

[royal lantern]

yeha that aswell

the "people can focus more on mechanics" angle is weird aswell, cus people that ignored mechanics will still ignore them lol, they dont suddenly become gods at mechanical and utiliy gameplay because they press 1 over and over again instead of 4 rotation buttons

[robust pulsar]

can probably make a macro to toggle the button on and off

which is against TOS probably but people will still do it

[royal lantern]

macros against the ToS?

[small bane]

Most? Nah. Some? Yes.

[royal lantern]

yes

not denying that at all

it IS a good feature

[tardy echo]

I think the idea of not looking for procs or this into that on your bar allows people to watch their feet more. This is for bad players afterall it will improve them even if its only a little

[robust pulsar]

imagine not pressing buttons actively so that you can focus on mechanics

[royal lantern]

but peeps heavy overestimate how much it actually does/underastimate how big the negative impact actually is

[maiden sierra]

@shrewd night revenge ping

[small bane]

I am dogwater at this game right now, it will not help me because I've been doing my stupid hyperfocus on WoW again and on trying to improve.

I said above I barely blue parse on a good day y'know?

I still manage to be DPS 6-9 out of 15 though.

[past marten]

That's your point. My point is that you overestimate how good the average heroic raider is.

[small bane]

If I'm green parse but better than half the DPS in the raid at any given time, that's...a bigger issue?

[royal lantern]

well, thats the ussual case of "good players dont play with bad players"

[shrewd night]

[maiden sierra]

thats a lie, my guild plays with me

[royal lantern]

like, you wont see the better half of good heroic raiders or mythic raiders in a Heroic Pug after some time

cus they finished their stuff

[small bane]

That's fair.

[royal lantern]

and then the heroic pugs are some alts and the "leftovers"

same with m+

[small bane]

Top half of the dogwater 😄

[royal lantern]

its simmelar to the m+ curve where +10 keys get worse and worse over a season

[small bane]

Makes sense, but then again, the "1 button" seems like a good fit for where I'm at then, which is random Heroic Pugs

[past marten]

Any mythic raider just gearing a little bit on the side is by defintion not a heroic raider

[royal lantern]

the good players do them early and then slowly go higher, and then it gets slowly filled out by "worse players"

and then it slowly turns into 80% "worse players"

just how stuff works tbh

[small bane]

Also, when you're only 650 ilevel it is hard to get into a damn PUG

[maiden sierra]

10s are just alts or people that didint play until now

[worn geyser]

i think the overlap of people who heroic raid for fun, and people who want to only press 1 button is very low, even if its an increase for some people most are not gonna be the type to toggle it on? it probably only affects people who dont even raid at all or barely dip toes in normal

[past marten]

I don't know

[tardy echo]

Or adidicts filling vault weekly regardless

[small bane]

That's a fair position

[past marten]

people find arpgs fun

and that's legit one button

[royal lantern]

arpgs have different form of gameplay overall

cant compare that

if you want a good comparison say "people think ret paladin is fun" and thats legit 2 buttons

[past marten]

or bm

[obsidian marlin]

aug

[past marten]

so if people prefer pressing 4 buttons to pressing 10

[maiden sierra]

id like to say youre wrong, but last time i played last epoch my build was a 1 button rotation

[royal lantern]

tbf, how many specs have 10 buttons lol

[past marten]

what makes us believe that there's not a lot of people, even in heroic, who prefer to press 1 button

[royal lantern]

assa/sub both are on the low side if anything

[small bane]

I liked ret in TBC 😛

[royal lantern]

[small bane]

Seal twisting to struggle against warrior DPS!

[coral ibex]

you also dont have to play arpgs as one button games

[royal lantern]

hey, i respect longtime ret mains, they went trought years of trash with dedication

[coral ibex]

i usually dont

[maiden sierra]

i wish sin had a few more buttons ngl, the current state of the spec makes me depressed (in raid)

[coral ibex]

and there's way more to actively dodge every second in an arpg compared to wow

[past marten]

If sub had more rotational buttons, I'd run out of keyboard space

[coral ibex]

so it makes more sense

[small bane]

I always switch between Ret Paladin and Rogue.

[candid basin]

Hello guys, new over here.

[past marten]

but I use defensives and utilities

[small bane]

I don't like current Ret.

[candid basin]

It my first time playing wow, and I chose assa rogue as my first character

[royal lantern]

good choice

[maiden sierra]

bad choice

[median citrus]

Great choice

[candid basin]

been having fun and rough times learning, but now i fell kinda stuck when facing single target bosses

[royal lantern]

wdym, cutest players

[past marten]

I'd say good choice, but our TC got hacked

[candid basin]

my dmg just scrumbles down

[small bane]

Assassination Rogue is fun as hell, thematic, and solid.

[maiden sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069667540151844884/1070814867478560778/D1604373-7A2B-41E8-A1C0-46661F9291F4.gif

[candid basin]

yet when i'm hitting pulls it feels decent

[royal lantern]

well, right now in dungeons assassination is kinda a aoe spec with bad boss dmg, just how it is

its aoe is REALLY good

[candid basin]

am i doing something wrong?

[royal lantern]

but you lose a lot of ST dmg for that cus of talent choices

[candid basin]

st?

[royal lantern]

single target

[candid basin]

single target?

oh ok

i see

[past marten]

assa sucks on pure single target in M+

[candid basin]

is it because of energy regen?

[royal lantern]

its just how it is, cant really change that much

[past marten]

if you're not playing some high key tech (which you shouldnt)

[maiden sierra]

our st is kinda gutted due to the existance of caustic spatter talent, not much can be done

[royal lantern]

eh, its just that this season our dmg got put more into the aoe bleed stuff, and taking the aoe bleed talents just makes our boss dmg worse

but as a payoff the aoe is really good

so

[candid basin]

is there any way of disabling thistle tea auto proc? ?

[golden loom]

nope

[royal lantern]

nope

[maiden sierra]

i wish

[candid basin]

welp that sucks haha

[royal lantern]

but doesnt matter anyway

[golden loom]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[royal lantern]

^ use that macro and forget tea exists

[candid basin]

so I replace my standar shiv with that macro

[royal lantern]

100% perfect minmaxing tea, and forgeting tea exists and just slamming buttons and letting the game auto consume the charges is a 0,3% difference

like

the auto consume REALLY doesnt matter

[royal lantern]

yes

[small bane]

I just let it autoconsume

and feel good until it's gone

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/flushed-gif-23088083

[small bane]

then realize what happened

and be sad about my energy 😄

[maiden sierra]

real

[candid basin]

look

this is a +6, i'm 661 il

[jade abyss]

what is the red text mean exactly? wnat to fix it

[candid basin]

idk why my caustic spatter is still below crimsom

[maiden sierra]

for hybrid this looks good id say

[golden loom]

sudden demise should be way higher in a +6

[small bane]

...fuck I just realized the maintenance window is huge today

[candid basin]

8h

[royal lantern]

@candid basin the thing is

the auto consume sounds bad until you realise that tea has a 1min CD

Shiv has 30sec CD and is where you do more dmg

Kingsbane has 1min CD and you use shiv with kingsbane aswell (if you are talented into kingsbane)

Deathmark is 2min CD

AKA: everytime you have a dmg window with your cooldowns, you get a Tea charge aswell and it gets used

[final star]

line 3 is throwing an error, very likely that it's Plater and should be plater

[royal lantern]

what talent build are you playing

[candid basin]

I believe it is hybrid; I have only one shiv and two vanishes

[royal lantern]

eh, play bleed

[wet spire]

honestly just play the bleed build at those key levels

[final star]

oh no it's because the end is on line 2

[royal lantern]

easier and more effective in everything that is not +19 or higher keys

[maiden sierra]

yeah in low keys hybrid is kinda ass

[royal lantern]

aka, the top 0,1% keys lol

[candid basin]

currently I'm trying to push higher keys, 10+

should I play bleed too?

[royal lantern]

yeha, just go bleed

[wet spire]

still bleed will be better

[royal lantern]

bleed only "loses" at the ABSOLUTE HIGHEST key levels

[candid basin]

what would be the difference in gameplay?

[golden loom]

feel like Hybrid should never be played, either bleed or cleave

[royal lantern]

like, literally the 0,1% of highest keys done

[maiden sierra]

id say play bleed until you do like +16s

[jade abyss]

fixed it thank you

[candid basin]

I mean, I rly had it rough trying to learn this build rotation haha

[royal lantern]

nah, still 100% fine in +16

[candid basin]

I don't want to struggle again

:c

[maiden sierra]

tbf im only using hybrid in 13s because i cba changing talents

[wet spire]

you are just not using kingsbane and staying above 50% evergy on bosses

[candid basin]

how can I make sure my energy doesn't go below 50?

[golden loom]

dont even bother thinking about 50% energy

[royal lantern]

you focus more on spreading bleeds instead of cleaving with spatter

AKA more garrote/Rupture spreading, Crimson Tempest is higher priority then Envenom and used on bosses, you do more burst dmg on bosses

[candid basin]

D:

[royal lantern]

ignore what he said

that is a absolute minimal minmax thing lol

[candid basin]

do I have to change targe to spread bleeds?

[wet spire]

thats just how i play sorry lol

[royal lantern]

nah, can just slam 1 guy with IC active

[fallow canopy]

based

[candid basin]

IC is the passive yo get after stealth?

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, and its TECHNICALLY correct, but i would not tell such a minor minmax that can be confusing and easy to mess up a new player that didnt play it before

[royal lantern]

yes

[wet spire]

true

[candid basin]

so, the bleed build is pretty much the same without KB

[golden loom]

yeah and you shiv in aoe

get your bleeds out, shiv

[candid basin]

what about the cd rotation? do I keep the shiv for the last 8s of DM?

[golden loom]

shiv 2x during deathmark

[candid basin]

bleed uses 2 shivs?

[golden loom]

yeah

[royal lantern]

your priority is: Get the Deathstalkers Mark out, always have the mark on your main target->get 5 ruptures out and ALWAYS have 5 ruptures minimum running->Spread Garrote->use the CP for Crimson Tempest->spread rupture and garrote on enemys that dont die in the next ~10seconds, always keep crimson tempest running, enjoy being #1 dps in aoe

sounds complicated

but it really isnt

just spread bleeds

its easier to play then kingsbane cleave in m+

[golden loom]

cause you run arterial precision which makes shiv increase bleed damage + aoes

[candid basin]

ok ok, i see

[wet spire]

yeah is super simple just spread bleeds and keep them up and shiv in aoe

[candid basin]

how many ds marks should I have left when I use deathmark?

[wet spire]

sudden demise will nuke everything

[royal lantern]

the only bigger rotational difference is just that you use crimson tempest on single target aswell with it, higher priorty then envenom even (unless you have Darkest Night up from the Deathstalker talent to re-apply your mark, cus you always want the mark running on something)

[candid basin]

ok ok, I see

that helps a lot guys

i've been playing for two months now

[wet spire]

i think you will enjoy bleed more tbh

[candid basin]

and has it been rly tough learning this class

hahaha

and frustrating when boss fighting

[wet spire]

tbf rogue isnt the easiest spec to pick up as a new player

[royal lantern]

rogue is well known to be confusing at the start

but when you understand the stuff once, it just makes sense and becomes really logical why things work that way

[worn geyser]

has anyone done the belt quest on ptr, how long does it take if u zoom

[wet spire]

its probably free

[royal lantern]

you do 1 charged delve iirc

[candid basin]

thank you very much guys, rly appreciate your advice

[worn geyser]

ty ty

[wet spire]

np man sorry if i confused you at the start

[candid basin]

🫂

[strange python]

in 17 or 18s, do i go bleed build if we have an arcane mage in group? Anyone know?

[royal lantern]

probs yes

the arcane is doing prio dmg afterall

[strange python]

Ok wasnt sure if the aoe falls off with sudden demise vs a hybrid build

Idk if thats even a thing

You just dont see em pop like you do in lower keys lol

[waxen oyster]

can you still change the belt effect in combat

[wet spire]

need to have more time on the bleeds left because of more hp

[small bane]

My only issue right now is trying to figurte out the UI to actually understand what procs I have up/when ;_;

"You are in combat, your buff bar is now 700 icons deep" is not helpful when different effects change your priorities

and I have a WA now, which is great for showing me my CDs and time remaining on bleeds, but still not great for the random proc things

[wet spire]

really the only thing i track is deathstalkers and lingering darkness

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

grap whisps edit

it only shows the important stuff

aka Darkest Nigh from Deathstalker and Lingering Darkness from Deathstalker

man why is every 2nd rogue thing called either Death or Darkness

[wet spire]

class fantasy

[worn geyser]

the only ‘random’ proc is blindside/seal fate combo points i believe

er actionable proc ig

[royal lantern]

yeha but those are not stuff you track

blindside auto replaces mutilate

[worn geyser]

yeah

whisper wa are really good and helpful learning since it reduces alot of the noise imo

[wet spire]

this game is crazy about putting icons for every buff you get even though you dont have to pay attention to 99% of them

[waxen oyster]

i mean

its your choice to pay attention to most of them

[worn geyser]

having stuff on ur screen that is useless is not a neutral thing , regardless of how much u wanna ignore them it still takes up a tiny percentage of attention to process the icon = useless

[waxen oyster]

sometimes i do press envenom slightly more often

when i hear the coin sound

of the 4p

[fallow canopy]

TIL the 4 set has a sound cue

[waxen oyster]

You hear a coin noise

[fallow canopy]

Never noticed it

[small bane]

Tbh I think that is what I have but I think I also broke it when I tried to set up WA to swap between things when I spec changed to Outlaw

[real granite]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[real granite]

tea macro is still viable this patch? is the loss still on the 0' %?

[royal lantern]

yes

[distant nebula]

I am trying to start better reviewing my keys and gameplay through recording my keys and better understanding how to read logs. What are some things I should start out looking for. I kinda have a list in my head already, that I am looking to add on too. Mostly avoidable deaths CC/kicks and pull set up (I.E positioning and getting my dots out in my first carnage) anything helps thanks.

[coral ibex]

uptime

always have 5 ruptures rolling, always be meleeing your target

[timber meadow]

I was watching that vid tettles put out on the one button stuff and he has a spreadsheet that shows assa being absolutely atrocious with the assist which didn't seem right with how simple assa is.

wowhead has the number much more reasonable.

anyone know where tettles got his numbers from?

[frigid thunder]

Generally I have liked with logs lately uploading mine for a key I want to think about then pull up at least two more from the same dungeon rankings finding logs at the same key level with the same build looking at damage, uptime, casts, order of most damaging abilities, the graph of dmg over the time of the key and just taking note of the differences.

[coral ibex]

things changed

[timber meadow]

hm, okay if that's all you know aight

[spice surge]

Well it uses poisoned knife quite a bit

[timber meadow]

yeah I was mostly curious about the difference between tettle's numbers and the ones wowhead has. wowhead has it at only like a 7% loss on the assist (non one-button) and tettles had it at like -35%

7% seems like what i woulda expected

[fossil light]

Hey I got the ping from this server and I had a question

How many people here enjoy feet

[frigid thunder]

Is Charged Bolts for the Disc Belt still looking like the best M+ choice for Assa Rogue, in reference to the pinned message? Just curious if any new tech found or sims done.

[hard river]

maybe dont use it on mugzee cause i assume it will attempt to target the mines

Charged crystal (aoe proc) was undersimming, fixed now but i dont think it's too relevant for sin

[kindred breach]

Just read the ping. I mean they're thieves too shouldnt we like support them idk??

[dapper cradle]

@spice spire making sure you don't miss this king

[spice spire]

I actually hate feet

???

[spice surge]

Did bro press one of the phising links

[spice spire]

Yeah I got this cool game coming out want to see it?

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah that's crazy talk feet are amazing

[main bridge]

2d feet game

[dapper cradle]

never beating the allegations

[kindred breach]

Feet are meant to walk. its not a plate for your food imho....

[spice spire]

Dog what

Feet disgust me

[keen spruce]

even George's feet?

[spice spire]

Stop

He’s a dog and perfect in every way

I mean people feet disgust me

[jaunty lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-please-pretty-please-gif-2667018502164666858

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-please-pretty-please-gif-2667018502164666858

[subtle tundra]

you can send

[subtle tundra]

dont. lying is wrong even on the internet

[spice spire]

??????

I’m not lying

Pretty much into everything that isn’t feet/armpits

[subtle tundra]

evil varas be like

[spice spire]

??

[subtle tundra]

armpits pretty nice

🦅

[spice spire]

I can’t relate man

[subtle tundra]

get a hobby

[spice spire]

I have several?

[dapper cradle]

holy based

[spice spire]

Part of the reason I’m GIGA bitchless

[dapper cradle]

nice pits are goonfuel fr

[spice spire]

What isn’t goonfuel to you tho

[subtle tundra]

mmmmmiaaaaauuuu

[dapper cradle]

unironically feet

[subtle tundra]

😔

[dapper cradle]

can't relate to the piss/scat fetishes either

[subtle tundra]

noone does

those arent real

just mental illnesses

[spice spire]

They’re real but also yeah guess I should say I was only talking about parts earlier. Piss and scat are wild works

[subtle tundra]

they arent. my own canon

live your own realities,lads

[spice spire]

U rn

[dapper cradle]

some hot haggis after a long day of trekking the highlands

does it get better?

[solemn echo]

I can see maybe piss after some mental gymnastics, but scat makes me wonder what kinda of drugs people be on

[main bridge]

wtf is going on in this chat

[dapper cradle]

based open minded piss appreciator

[subtle tundra]

talking

[spice spire]

Yapping even

[dapper cradle]

[subtle tundra]

we listen and dont judge.but we judge a lot

[solemn echo]

I thought that is what we normally talk about in in sin chat

[main bridge]

no

[subtle tundra]

literally is

[spice spire]

It’s usually just men kissing each other

[past marten]

that's what I hear people say about sin chat

[main bridge]

[subtle tundra]

maybe its better when i dont chat here

[solemn echo]

Oh wrong 'sin' my fault my fault

[spice spire]

Nothing wrong with a little homiesexual love

[subtle tundra]

"better"

[waxen oyster]

I mean it is June

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying dog

[solemn echo]

Holy based maybe I should stick around in here more

[spice spire]

If you’re into it absolutely

Miss whispyr so much

[fallow canopy]

specially on june

[subtle tundra]

he never left,he is in me

sex

[spice spire]

Ahh

[waxen oyster]

seen people goon to ankles

Someone explain to me why druids have a class ensemble set including dual wielded daggers without a spec that wields two of them.

[solemn echo]

Because of that funny artifact weapon

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure the artifact is the only way you can dual wield daggers

as feral

otherwise you use 2handers

[solemn echo]

Correct

Shoulda made outlaw a big ass cannon let's be honest if we breaking weapon types

[waxen oyster]

yeah druid having this made no sense

[bright charm]

hey at that point give outlaw a whole ship

[waxen oyster]

for the remix ensembles

[plain onyx]

do i use CT on single target?

[waxen oyster]

you cant mog into daggers except artifact, which iirc isnt mandatory anymore to maintain the cat form appearances they were for

[waxen oyster]

Depends on build

[polar rampart]

if bleed build, yes

[vestal cliff]

i miss him too

[velvet pier]

Where did he go??

[main bridge]

he's working on a 2d game about feet

[hard river]

he is here but main account was phished

[bright charm]

reminds me of the gif that guy posted yesterday, hilarious

[jaunty lotus]

He's working on a 2d game, heard it's pretty good

[waxen oyster]

He tactically got hacked some the normies stop asking him 20000x today about the belt.

[bright charm]

true

master plan

[waxen oyster]

shoulda left him in server with no chat perms

and the hacker has 1 million annoying dms

asking about it

[bright charm]

that's true

would have been a great idea

role at the top of the server called "DM about belt"

[coral ibex]

NA is up btw

gg

socket once again

[true nexus]

easiest one and done ever

[small bane]

Heeey we're up early nice

[hollow talon]

how timegated is the belt?

[normal mist]

its supposed to be 5 weeks

for the last ilvl bump

[small bane]

You got me beat

[normal mist]

like the ring was kinda

YOOO

RH TAG

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

[humble verge]

man

[nimble tartan]

i put the rh tag on and they callin me real horny now

[humble verge]

i just found out a guy i did keys with last tier bought 8/8

[nimble tartan]

thanks guys

[humble verge]

[burnt star]

How long is it to get belt running

[normal mist]

Iirc full power in 5 weeks

Since the belt increases lvl every week?

Afaik

[hollow talon]

is it good at its base ilvl over mythic gear

[analog field]

first pin

[humble verge]

why does there have to be a hot and tall redhead here at the jim

[worn geyser]

ah yes a belt on delve belt week

[humble verge]

i got cauldron belt week 1

[waxen oyster]

outlaw ring

[humble verge]

havent gotten any other belts lmao

[waxen oyster]

[worn geyser]

if u catch me associating with those guys, kill me

[waxen oyster]

also wait are those sims done with a base belt

or max upgraded

[mortal wave]

I hate this spec

plater simulator

[waxen oyster]

I mean what'd you expect playing a dot spec

[mortal wave]

chainpulling = rip dps

I'll get through it

[waxen oyster]

its actually a gain unless your tank chains a 5-10% mob

into next group

thats just called inting

[mortal wave]

chainpulling as in dps one group of mobs for 10s only to pull another

or like you said 5-10% mob

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean a well alive pack is a gain

since you have more ruptures going

[indigo oyster]

If it has 5% health you can just wait for it to die and then restealth in most scenarios

[worn geyser]

sometimes u just gotta stop and tie ur shoe for 10-15 secs when they chain a 1hp mob into next pack