I’ve done a singular key in the last 4 weeks
#assassination
ember mural
real
fallow canopy
I haven't done a key since the Wednesday that turbo boost dropped
I don't remember when was that
jaunty lotus
Yes, ask him about the belt and he'll send you a zip file with all you need to know
bronze pike
Belt
drowsy pawn
gusty mirage
last skiff
I only buy by 500 
keen spruce
I always bought huge stacks when they were cheap late in the week
then sell extras on tuesdays
(there were never extras)
haughty flicker
stonks
keen spruce
(I had a problem)
keen spruce
the solution was more tempered potions
just bind that shit to everything
max tempered's per dungeon
hollow sphinx
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Rogue Collection
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normal mist
This new leaf addition is really important
hidden bay
what kind of wraps
2 High Protein wraps, guac as base, chicken breast, tomatooooo, cucumber, mixed green salad and some sort of curry sauce
tidal raven
I am a man of the leaves
hidden bay
i eat em every day 
keen spruce
Idk anything about curry I normally do greek yogurt and sriracha or gochujang
on everything
keen spruce
making it sounds like a collosal pain in the ass 
main bridge
yeah i have no idea what's involved in doing that but i am grateful any time she makes anything for us
keen spruce
well ig you just kinda leave it in a pot
but i don't like waiting
kinda the same way you make anything korean
stuff ingredients in a clay pot and make sure it doesn't grow an entire ecosystem
or explode
I forgot to burp a kimchi jar once
it was catastrophic
runic hinge
🫧
keen spruce
it was like the cave in Evolution
if you're up to date on your early 2000's B-list movies
jaunty lotus
This guy became CF in 1 day? What's next he'll take over the wow head guide?
spice surge
Ye hes a nerd like that
haughty flicker
i'll miss whispyr but this new guy seems better anyway
doubt this one would get scammed by a prot pally
keen spruce
he has a cool leaf
nova kelp
man disc moves fast, I don't check in for a few days and the whole landscape shifts
what will sin be without it's lordly catboi?
humble verge
lmao
humble verge
https://tenor.com/view/crying-gif-14140823409786038946
last skiff
midnight mist
Wait true
That's what I mean tho
They weren't giving green to anyone
Now look at us
fleet pagoda
true. slingshot this man to purple
runic hinge
as long as I don't have a green name they're doin something right
runic hinge
Hell yeha
fleet pagoda
runic hinge
Bless up
keen mantle
hahaha
normal mist
They weren't giving green to anyone
they even decided to give it to a TMOG GUY LOLXD
discord is doomed
midnight mist
right !
thats what im saying dude
worse thing is
they gave it to a pvp guy
that shit is crazy
normal mist
@hollow river i think this is about you man
normal mist
they gave it to a pvp guy
so in theory... Tmog > PvP?
spice spire
Always has been
midnight mist
so in theory... Tmog > PvP?
of course
normal mist
midnight mist
tmog is still pve after all
normal mist
Tmog is the friends we did along the way
runic hinge
I do everything for the mog
Still gotta get 1800 on two characters for elite PvP mog
normal mist
I wish you luck man, i dont want to ever pvp again
runic hinge
It’s not that bad
normal mist
it is for me
and my sanity
i dont pvp to get better at it
i brute force my way into 1800
missed last season for the first time, so i quit entirely
runic hinge
Two weeks from Tuesday will be good time. Inflation will be high and some of the people who come back with the patch will have already quit
crisp sluice
can someone post the thistle tea macro so you dont spam it when htiting shiv
didnt see it under pins or anything
scarlet orbit
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
crisp sluice
❤️ ty
hollow river
they gave it to a pvp guy
fr*nch opinion invalidated
red schooner
Just to confirm, adds on P1 gally mythic, it's the usual game plan of rupture snipe and spatter off boss right?
With shiv for de-enrage
waxen oyster
you can rupture maybe 1 add for the first set
red schooner
If required
nova kelp
That's basically the whole fight
waxen oyster
before your dumb dragon bukkakes them
marble hemlock
i honestly wouldnt worry about the adds except maybe the first ones
red schooner
That's basically the whole fight
Yeah, just had a stand in raid leader going, 'why ain't you hardswapping to adds'
marble hemlock
the other sets youre better off just sticking to boss and theyll likely die before they even get into your melee range
nova kelp
Yeah, just had a stand in raid leader going, 'why ain't you hardswapping to adds...
call him names
marble hemlock
nah seli those adds die insta
those adds you can at least rupture snipe tho
the other sets theyre gonna die before they even get to the boss
waxen oyster
yeah like 1
red schooner
Because if I hard swap to adds I do negative damage to them
waxen oyster
rupturing another feels like you'll lose the window to dry shiv spatter
marble hemlock
Yeah, just had a stand in raid leader going, 'why ain't you hardswapping to adds...
well, are the adds not dying quickly enough?
zenith elm
Because if I hard swap to adds I do negative damage to them <:uglyassdog:1370509...
so true
nova kelp
at the end of the day if you hard swap and goes as hard as you can, it's unlikely you'll achieve even a little bit of what the spatter MIGHT do
red schooner
well, are the adds not dying quickly enough?
They're dying at an okay enough pace. Biggest issue is soothes
zenith elm
They're dying at an okay enough pace. Biggest issue is soothes
then kriss? /s
marble hemlock
cuz ye, assa does almost no damage to the adds. but "almost no damage" is still better than no damage in case youre struggling with those
zenith elm
i'm kidding while saying this
marble hemlock
They're dying at an okay enough pace. Biggest issue is soothes
hunters/druids?
nova kelp
also if the adds just AREN'T dying in time, like... the raids got issues
red schooner
Our dragon had to heal tonight so we were missing a bunch of add damage
nova kelp
lol
marble hemlock
also if the adds just AREN'T dying in time, like... the raids got issues
thats typically how progression goes, ye
waxen oyster
half the pulls
marble hemlock
when we started prog we also didnt kill adds in time and had issues with soothes
comparing that to the 7th rekill of a boss is... not useful
red schooner
hunters/druids?
We have them, I was trying to line up shivs around cooldowns with the occasional unoptimal shiv for soothing
If it was an issue
marble hemlock
ye like... the shivs, even just using them for pure DPS, sometimes end up lining up with the add enrages (within like 2-4sec)
but i never held them cuz its just a super easy druid/hunter job
red schooner
ye like... the shivs, even just using them for pure DPS, sometimes end up lining...
Yeah, a lot of the time the first dry shiv lined up for them
marble hemlock
AP aoe range is pretty damn massive (significantly bigger than caustic), so you might clip them from time to time
nova kelp
I'm not sure what positioning is normally like but I quite often end up with a handful of soothes without switching off gally at all, not SPECIFICALLY trying for them, just kinda lining up as best as I can manage with my base rotation
red schooner
We should have soothes covered without resorting to me
waxen oyster
if i dont
marble hemlock
ye like
red schooner
But I'll do it if need be
marble hemlock
in an ideal world, you just hit boss and never have to worry about shit
nova kelp
I just straight told them I can't get the first set lol
marble hemlock
but prog typically requires some adjustments, so its just about figuring out whether what you have to sacrifice to do it, is worth it
waxen oyster
our first set literally doesnt matter
marble hemlock
so just bring that up with your raidleader
nova kelp
but lol nah, it's really just the first set that is particularly shit
worn geyser
bro i wish i could have ur problem, my sham/dk/dev insta blow up our adds
waxen oyster
we have 2 devs....
nova kelp
quite often the tanks running off with gally for a sec there anyway
yeah dev evokers is big help
marble hemlock
ye first set can die slow sometimes, and its the only one that really needs to die fast so the first bomb can be done asap
nova kelp
plus dev kinda rocks right now anyway
red schooner
so just bring that up with your raidleader
Yeah, I'll mention it, I said I'll cover a soothe if need be
red schooner
But most of the time I just throw a rupture on the furthest back add then go back to spatter with a dry shiv in there 1st set
waxen oyster
you just send shiv early into kb on 2nd set
marble hemlock
Yeah, I'll mention it, I said I'll cover a soothe if need be
make sure to let them know that your soothe is on a high cooldown, melee range (technically not, but they dont need to know that lol), and is a major DPS cooldown
so you should really just be the last resort
waxen oyster
tbh if i shiv late into the kb it usually wont give me spatter anyway
red schooner
make sure to let them know that your soothe is on a high cooldown, melee range (...
Yeah, they're aware. I'm down to help on prog but like, wasting a shiv also hurts
red schooner
But yeah I went into normal rupture and spatter but yeah, stand in raid leader started calling people out
waxen oyster
well you can its just mild terrorism
marble hemlock
Yeah, they're aware. I'm down to help on prog but like, wasting a shiv also hurt...
definitely does. wasting 5+ pulls because adds arent enraged hurts more tho 
and this boss is really not a DPS check whatsoever
worthy rose
ew pvp talk in this chat
red schooner
definitely does. wasting 5+ pulls because adds arent enraged hurts more tho <:ke...
Yeah, 100%
It's why Ive been sending it unoptimally sometimes
waxen oyster
i stopped using on first set purely because its a coin toss
red schooner
But also yeah, 2 druids, an evoker and a hunter
waxen oyster
if those adds live to the cast
nova kelp
sometimes you just gota do what you gota do
red schooner
Pls
nova kelp
#fortheprog
waxen oyster
like most of our pulls they die mid cast
red schooner
I should be far down the totem pole for soothing
waxen oyster
of the enrage
dense cove
is the belt out tomorrow?
nova kelp
but yeah you shouldn't be the first port of call due to other factors to your "soothe"
red schooner
How does it work out damage wise going spatter and rupture v hard swapping?
marble hemlock
honestly, on gally id straightup just say "just tunnel boss"
nova kelp
I mean...
waxen oyster
technically thats right
worn geyser
hard swapping in my group, i had time to rupture one add, mut it, one envenom and it was dead it feels horrendus
nova kelp
yeah I hit an 89% on the prog kill just pure hard tunnel
marble hemlock
the giga minor gain of getting like 1 or 2 rupture snipes off on a 9min fight that is no DPS check whatsoever is just not worth it when you should just work towards fully not taking any damage and play mechanics
waxen oyster
i usually just rupture the technician waiting for gally to walk over
and kick it maybe
fallow canopy
You do shit and the boss falls over
worn geyser
thats what i ended up doing, rupture tech while waiting for aoe, then shadow step back to boss
waxen oyster
your damage feels bad
nova kelp
like sometimes you gota remember that ultra min maxing can be fine enough of a difference that doing it ever so slightly slower than god tier speed might be enough to DROP your dps
nova kelp
sometimes just solid fundamentals is the "correct" play
small bane
who cares about min maxing
This has been paying off dividends for me!
Just focusing on "just do the fight, quit worrying about shit"
nova kelp
you're like p1 11th? p2 same same p2.5 like 30 mill ahead on no1
worn geyser
i gotta start bribing my dev/sham before raid to get that extra pad for a week
red schooner
the giga minor gain of getting like 1 or 2 rupture snipes off on a 9min fight th...
Yeah, it's more I'm trying to explain that full hard swapping probably isn't the play as we have the raid damage to kill adds before they're an issue
marble hemlock
ye you typically get your first dryshiv envenom spattered onto the first adds, and thats about your total contribution to the adds
waxen oyster
sometimes i dont even get it spattered
red schooner
So having something numerical to use would be nice, because trying to explain about rogue target swapping woes to people who know nothing about rogues is like talking to a brick wall
waxen oyster
they're dead already
nova kelp
you could if they REALLY wanted, actually hard swap just so they can see the pointless contribution lol
nova kelp
you'd get your bleeds up, get the cp for your inc envenom and it would die lol
red schooner
I'll try and do add damage but it's like tickling a brick wall to try and get it to fall over.
waxen oyster
rupture on shielded shocker adds on mugzee
red schooner
But yeah a raid leader seeing low add damage and going "just hard swap" fucking pains me
waxen oyster
felt more impactful
red schooner
I'D DO ADD DAMAGE IF I COULD BUT I'M A SIN ONE TRICK PONY OKAY
nova kelp
I kinda have it lucky in my raid in a way, most of the raid has no interest in learning about or listening to rogue stuff so they just kinda give me free reign, that and the raid lead also occasionally plays one so he just trusts me to do what I do
red schooner
I kinda have it lucky in my raid in a way, most of the raid has no interest in l...
Normal raid leader at least saw me explain rogue things and went, ye thats fine
Had a stand in today
worn geyser
i mean tbh idk ur group but if they cant take ur word its not good or go take a good look at other logs to learn, it just is what it is
waxen oyster
this spec is basically spatter
nova kelp
if someone has never experienced how poor the target switching is though, depending on what they play they just simply won't understand "why no switch, do your mutilate on add!?"
waxen oyster
dot specs are usually terrible at hard swaps
worn geyser
i mean a good rl doesnt need to understand and should trust u know ur class better than he does and has the raids best interest in mind
nova kelp
like if you have a ret pally or some shit like giving the hard word on target switching - they just won't get it personally
they gota trust in the main
red schooner
I'm happy to help with prog things but you don't bring me to the raid for add damage
This isn't going to be something I can do
nova kelp
you're there to giga fuck in the execute phase
and atrophic I guess
lunar pond
Is it just my experience or do paladins just not mix with well in keys with us. Like they can blast but in big pulls with minis, using priory as an example, they fuck our funnel up. Like just single brain celling divine storm. Then all the adds are dead and no funnel. Just got out of an 18 with marks/ret and first mini was at 40% after everything else was dead. Like the 18+ pack just melted.
worn geyser
idk , all u can do is explain the situation, then after that if they still tell u to, u can listen or not and do w/e u want lmao
nova kelp
I mean, even if you DO hard switch, it won't be many pulls before you can actively show in logs how stupid it is
you'll have actual numbers to back you up - "this is me ACTUALLY going hard on the adds"
red schooner
you'll have actual numbers to back you up - "this is me ACTUALLY going hard on t...
This may be the play
nova kelp
legit - it's a solid example
like switching to rik barrels, just like DO it and point out how shit it is
and any half way decent raid lead will be lik e"yeah actually don't bother"
worn geyser
yall built diff, id just tell them its not not worth, and go about my day
if he wants to find out why he can go look at logs
red schooner
If we legit didn't have the damage for adds and me hard swapping was the deal breaker then absolutely
Hard swap it is
nova kelp
to pull up logs and realize no one does it
while that's true, I'd wager somone who is too bullheaded to trust in the main that also wants to prog is also likely someone who brushes off most logs as "that's just parsing behaviour"
red schooner
But I did more damage to the adds than the unholy dks and I have no clue if that's normal for them or not
Idk how dk works they may be like us
waxen oyster
Or you know
nova kelp
if you did more damage to the adds than the unh dks I'd say they're not switching lol
waxen oyster
just read the hero talent
nova kelp
unh doesn't switch WELL but it's better than we are
red schooner
if you did more damage to the adds than the unh dks I'd say they're not switchin...
Okay, one point to raise then. Me and the other rogue both did more than the uhdks
worn geyser
idk ye i mean its not the end of the world either way its negligible and wont make or break the fight, but i think any rl that stubborn who wont even go look for themselves u can ignore
nova kelp
well I mean, it's still your raid group that you're rocking with
and especially if you like them, you might just have to do what you have to do
being hostile probably isn't the play
but helping them "get it" will help you all in the long run
red schooner
well I mean, it's still your raid group that you're rocking with
and especially ...
I'm probably going to hard swap so I have the numerical thing of, "yeah, this is what happens"
red schooner
being hostile probably isn't the play
but helping them "get it" will help you al...
Yeah, I ain't being hostile with it, but trying to explain how sin works fell on deaf ears
nova kelp
I'm just waiting for "they're making me go outlaw"
rofl
nova kelp
to be fair, you could go all the way down to like what? 70% logs and they'd still be definitely not hard swapping
so you could pretty easily avoid the "parsing behavior" rebuttal
worn geyser
ye dont gotta be hostile to not bend at the knee to a dumb request tho
nova kelp
at the end of the day its like "bro... if I could do giga add damage throughout the first part of the fight I fucking would, my meters would look insane"
worthy rose
you know the worst part of rerolling into a dk
i have to actually do mechanics and swap to ads
unlike sin rogue
all i hear is the party lead in mythics or raid lead in raid tell me to abom limb this grip that attack this attack that
like why me tf theres other DK's in teh group
nova kelp
I wish I could switch - I'd take it in a heartbeat
red schooner
I wish I could switch - I'd take it in a heartbeat
Same
But also, one trick pony
Idk how to play anything else
This is what I do
worthy rose
you should roll a DK
its literally braindead easy
i have no idea what im doing
and im doing good
red schooner
you should roll a DK
God no
worthy rose
bonngocat
royal lantern
I'm just waiting for "they're making me go outlaw"
rofl
our rik prog in the first few weeks was like this
"yo your barrel dmg is low, can you go sub?"
"sure, if you make both fire mages go arcane and use their burst for barrels aswell"
"allright, i tell the tanks to fix their movment"
main bridge
royal lantern
keen spruce
nova kelp
our rik prog in the first few weeks was like this
"yo your barrel dmg is low, c...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
red schooner
our rik prog in the first few weeks was like this
"yo your barrel dmg is low, c...
Glorious
keen spruce
classic
nova kelp
good ole "classic wow bongocat"
keen spruce
it took so long to build CP that your SnD would run out
royal lantern
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
we killed it a couple pulls after that btw
keen spruce
so u never got to evis
nova kelp
should make one where he's leveling lockpicking
keen spruce
soft oasis
hey guys, new to sin rogue, was wondering could I get some help with aoe rotation here
nova kelp
we killed it a couple pulls after that btw <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
if I go to my rankings on wlogs... my top parse for rik is still a sub one early on 😢
a river of sin and this one sub logo
worthy rose
hey guys, new to sin rogue, was wondering could I get some help with aoe rotatio...
literally
fan of knives
wait
how is your curent aoe rotation
you open with an ambush
soft oasis
all the guides are pretty much have improve garrote
main bridge
wowhead has a nice guide. you should read that and ask specific questions about what is unclear
soft oasis
but all top rogues don`t
worthy rose
your spreadable rupture is a couple seconds after coming out of stelath
soft oasis
so do i fill it with fan?
runic hinge
https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-275548...
Df s1 sub wasn’t too bad
worthy rose
so do i fill it with fan?
you can
royal lantern
but all top rogues don`t
because they play builds that are irrelevant for 99,999999% of players
runic hinge
At least it was easy
soft oasis
also i don`t understand what is the spender outside of the burst
royal lantern
reason #2945819104 why you should not use archon or w/e site it is
worthy rose
are you playing bleed build assassination @soft oasis
if you are playing bleed build as you should for keys under 17
nova kelp
so do i fill it with fan?
are you doing super high keys?
coz like if you're not then I probably wouldn't ever suggest playing the build the "top rogues" are
worthy rose
your priority is rupture and crimson tempest
and caustic spatter
your filler is envenom
essentially
soft oasis
I`m aiming for high keys, but need to practices rotation
worthy rose
maintain uptime on dots
soft oasis
therefore trying to understand class
keen spruce
u just apply mark, spread bleeds, CT asap, then fan envenoms
soft oasis
just standart build from murloc, prob bleed build
worthy rose
fanvenoms
nova kelp
the thing is in lower keys the KB build won't play very well, even for practice
shit dies too fast for you to experience why it is the way it is
keen spruce
you can play bleed forever w/o KB
unless your comp specifically needs the damage profile of the other build for big keys
if it doesn't start with a 2, then u can just play bleed
soft oasis
y, I understand the basic, just feel a bit lost for when to pro darkest night, what to spend kp at and what to do if mechanics or need to interrupt will break correct burst sequence
keen spruce
kick isn't on the GCD so you can do it whenever
soft oasis
also do I need to aply garrote on cd or just main target
keen spruce
just main target normally
you can't maintain it on more than like 2 targets anyways cuz of the CD
unless you're going to use vanish to re-spread bleeds
which you also won't really do until giga keys cuz everything should die
before you need to
soft oasis
oke, will try that out, thx
keen spruce
soft oasis
anyway practicing on dummies, so they wont die
keen spruce
darkest night is normally prio
well it normally just kinda
works itself out
cuz you apply it to the first target immediately
then it'll just sorta do it's own thing
nova kelp
in lower keys if you're playing the KB build it's pretty easy to have it drop
soft oasis
darkest night is normally prio
so i just go for it even at the opener?
nova kelp
because you focus on rebleeding shit
soft oasis
Or spread bleeds first
nova kelp
and it disappears before you get a big envenom off
keen spruce
you defnintely never want to drop darkest night
nova kelp
in higher keys that becomes less of a focus issue
because the mobs WILL live long enough to bleed a few and hit an envenom
nova kelp
in lower keys you'll often find you might have to raw envenom something just to ensure you keep your mark
keen spruce
yeah it's just spinning plates
just takes some getting used to
check out some good plater profiles and UIs
to make sure you can track bleeds effectively
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
soft oasis
oke, that`s what i needed
royal lantern
so i just go for it even at the opener?
no mark = no hero talents active, which is kinda bad
so yeha, applying mark is always highest priority, then rupture->ct->garrote
get the mark on your main target->have 5 ruptures out, spread stealth empowered garrotes, keep CT running all the time, apply rupture too enemys that dont die in the next ~12sec
soft oasis
cause all the guides told to use kps on envenom only once and i was so confused
soft oasis
like i aoe bleed, envenom and then what
keen spruce
well once your bleeds are up in the opener
you have quite a while until you need to refresh anything
so you'll do a lot of fan envenoming
mixing in some mutilates
royal lantern
^
keen spruce
to maintain caustic spatter
soft oasis
also does tab work for spreading or it can target bleeding target?
royal lantern
IC auto spread is smart targeting
keen spruce
it's optimal to tab or mouseover on some group sizes
soft oasis
wouldn`t i miss 1 rupture w/p tabing
keen spruce
but it's not that big of a deal
soft oasis
oke
keen spruce
yeah you miss one
soft oasis
got it
keen spruce
but it's w/e
royal lantern
wouldn`t i miss 1 rupture w/p tabing
yeha, but ita still 5 ruptures
aka what you want
keen spruce
like if it's 5 mobs it's still just 2 ruptures
either way
so a lot of times it doesn't make a difference
royal lantern
and you will lose more dmg by losing your mark target in the crowd
soft oasis
and last question - could you please suggest any streamer/youtuber who is doing high keys so i could watch and learn from him
keen spruce
royal lantern
unless you want to see 0interupts/cc PoV
keen spruce
Casualaddict, zeross, zac are all good
royal lantern
(enough shittalking)
indigo thicket
whats the best crafting order for items is it 2x wep or wep then something else
soft oasis
oke, thx
keen spruce
prophethood good boi too
soft oasis
now will go practice good luck
royal lantern
whats the best crafting order for items is it 2x wep or wep then something else
offhand is the lowest priority slot in the game
nova kelp
our offhand means jack shit
indigo thicket
ty all
runic hinge
I should stream
waxen oyster
does any dualwield spec care about their offhand
tidal raven
they do not
runic hinge
Leafy can’t be trusted imo
royal lantern
dmg calculation is still the same
runic hinge
Fury warrior must care cause it’s more stats or something
tidal raven
and it does in the calculation
runic hinge
runic hinge
Yeah I don’t think they have enough brain cells to care
keen spruce
source: I made it up
main bridge
dapper cradle
waxen oyster
Fury warrior must care cause it’s more stats or something
fury its so troll
since you only have to pay crest costs once
like if you have a 684 2h on a warrior
all weapons/shields are now crest free
nova kelp
fury is tryhard
dual 2handers is the absolute epitome of overcompensation
it's not cool, it's just edgy
they SHOULD pay a tax for being like that
single minded fury is chad behaviour
restive falcon
left the discord to go hardcore Maplestory 
nova kelp
he was always one foot in maplestory
ngl I was always interested in maplestory - but I can't get over the first few hours slump
keen spruce
left the discord to go hardcore Maplestory <:SAD:718207731185745922>
@tidal raven
tidal raven
damn one time i need to ask whispyr sometihng he isnt in the discord
real and true
solar wyvern
<@141665120764952576> do you stream?
Yeah from time to time when the homies wanna watch me brick 20s
Cant plug its against the rules iirc
But yall can probably figure out where to find
keen spruce
humble verge
not me
hidden bay
Still no new msg from zeross since new whispyr joined… 
shy creek
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dapper cradle
Still no new msg from zeross since new whispyr joined… <:sus:1084132807632244776...
people are saying ross is gonna be the new shadow
real?
hidden bay
queen spoke
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
haughty flicker
people are saying ross is gonna be the new shadow
many people are saying it
main bridge
that's just a WA amplifying the rumor
keen spruce
Still no new msg from zeross since new whispyr joined… <:sus:1084132807632244776...
maybe he got got too
by fake whispyr
meager plank
!up
prisma monolithBOT
worthy rose
feral druids are more foot rogues than foot warriors tho
unless its a feral bear tank
then actually yes thats four feet tanking
worthy rose
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/...
you know what i just realized about this chart
since they boosted the ilvls up
shouldnt runed crests go up to ilvl 668
and shouldnt myth track start at 668 now for the same reason
iunno
haughty flicker
i mean yeah its oldge
the funnier part is that it was actually wrong the entire time anyway, one of the myth track ilvls is wrong
cant remember which one it is off the top of my head
worthy rose
yeah but i mean
with the way blizz did turboboost
ah well
not like runed crests are useful for anyone anyway
worthy rose
im in mourning
i have to come to the relaization
i wont be able to fully myth track out my dk
before end of season
we only got 7 more welfare vaults left
unless i get lucky enough for an item each week to catalyst it wont be enough
brave comet
I can't stand people who chain pull when all the adds are dead and there's just one enemy left at 1% health
worthy rose
thats not chain pullingg
thats trollpulling
need to tell the tank to learn how to play
you gotta chainpull at like 30% mob health
brave comet
i honestly just choose to brick the key if the tank doesnt stop doing it
worthy rose
trollpulling fucks over just about everyone
same
i just sit in the corner as rogue
like it really fucks us up
i think the only specs that can really cope with trollpuling is like ret or MM
coz most other specs still have a little ramp up time you need
polar rampart
how many times im praying i can kill the mob before it goes over so i can squeeze a restealth
brave comet
ye me too, unless you're playing with a paladin whos throwing a hammer at the next group
humble verge
how many times im praying i can kill the mob before it goes over so i can squeez...
kidney
brave comet
I would love to kidney shot my tank
main bridge
are you going to join us in playing that epic 2d game?
fresh kelp
I feel included now
if you also hit him with the VM it would be quite funny
main bridge
rekt
keen spruce
cunning needle
nova kelp
Soon: Sadshmeeps
nova kelp
bro, this fucking little catstra terrestrial glorp fucks me up
main bridge
haughty flicker
runic hinge
main bridge
glarf owns
haughty flicker
haughty flicker
keen spruce
main bridge
did you cloak the employment debuff?
main bridge
congrats on your new career with OnlyFans
graceful widget
Any sims for DISC Belt yet? I'm assuming Charged Bolts but wanted to check if anyone had numbers yet
wraith girder
Pinned comment
graceful widget
Sorry tyty will check
flat void
has anyone here managed to do an 8 mask run with assassination?
main solar
I did a little while ago. Definitely had to wait for defensive CDs between pulls in Rexar's area.
flat void
what ilvl were you, and do you have tips or advice?
I can barely finish the Drag tbh.
main solar
- I just took it slow, picking up potion buffs before leaving the first main zone. Also definitely watch the Gamon counter and try to spawn him with smaller packs so he doesn't stun you in a mess of mobs
It took me a few tries for sure, but the one time I went left first (so doing Rexar last) is when I got it.
flat void
Maybe I should gear more then lol. I've done 5 masks, and am practicing on six.
digital pollen
has anyone here managed to do an 8 mask run with assassination?
i only run visions as assa - 8 mask is pretty easy imo. just play the cleave build but take silence. rexxar itself is not a problem. the small bugs that stun you are (they get executed because of sudden and are buffing everything else that then oneshots you). i did it with 670 for fun - but wasnt that much harder. org is easier than sw because gamon doesnt do shit compared to hogger 😄
flat void
i only run visions as assa - 8 mask is pretty easy imo. just play the cleave bu...
I know the real answer is "skill issue", but I have a hard time switching targets to boars or other important adds and then fat fingering my keyboard.
main solar
Yeah, the bugs with the poison dot that stuns you is what will get you in Rexar's area
Also Dominators with the long ass stun channel
waxen oyster
rogue is definitely one of the worse classes for visisons
flat void
I've seen if you switch to outlaw you can use grappling hook to skip most of the area. I'm pretty sure you can switch specs in visions so i might do that just to skip the bugs lol.
digital pollen
I know the real answer is "skill issue", but I have a hard time switching target...
tbh i dont switch to the boars at all. they should spawn and then die just beacuse of your cleave dmg. might need cloak before they die tho
digital pollen
the hardest part in the whole run is the packs just before rexx tbh
agree
flat void
tbh i dont switch to the boars at all. they should spawn and then die just beacu...
mmmh. good point. just pump and probably cloak
flat void
rogue is definitely one of the worse classes for visisons
i was wondering about this. i was trying to watch guides, and people were doing it as rogue, so I figured maybe they're good for visions. But i'm getting destroyed lol
digital pollen
oh and you need the healing /defensive potion - they really help rogue a lot
main solar
definitely use cloak when the boars come out and start casting. Those bolts will eat up all your sanity. But you can definitely kill him with CDs in that window
flat void
i don't even understand that...
digital pollen
tbf 8 are pretty easy. mainly because of the nemesis mask.
nova kelp
idk if I agree that rogue is one of the worst classes for visions - I've had a hella easy time both last time and this one
I've definitely had significantly worse times on others
waxen oyster
you dont have as much self heal as other melee
flat void
my rogue is 657. I don't claim to be very good so I should probably gear more if I insist on doing it on rogue.
waxen oyster
idk if I agree that rogue is one of the worst classes for visions - I've had a h...
compared to dh or warrior it is
or dk
digital pollen
you have the healing /defensive potion - they are more than enough for survivability imo
nova kelp
I defintely havent' felt like I'm in danger on any of the runs asside from the big pulls in front of rexxar
flat void
you're talking about the potions you pick up in the vision right?
nova kelp
that's it though
subtle tundra
damn whispyr got demoted
main solar
8 mask isnt hard due to sanity, it's the mask that adds a bunch of extra mobs and make certain packs (like all the poison bugs) kinda scary if you're not being careful about them.
digital pollen
you're talking about the potions you pick up in the vision right?
yeah - only take these two. the firebreath sucks ass for rogue
nova kelp
everything is giga dead in a heartbeat on my rogue
I'd for sure have an easier time if my WW as as geared though
again, it's entirely possible I'm being carried by gear
nova kelp
most people in here are always bragging about their solid 99+ logs through the whole of mythic raid so I can never tell who I'm talking to
main solar
I'd bet reveal is within a week
hexed frost
I'd bet reveal is within a week
Better be, my sub is expiring in first week of July
digital pollen
you're talking about the potions you pick up in the vision right?
one last thing - i typically dot with garrote/rupture/CT and just run around spamming fok untill everything dies. you dont need to be tanky if nothing hits you 🙂 might work for you as well
cunning needle
most people in here are always bragging about their solid 99+ logs through the w...
nova kelp
<:greenparser:1364566132291538976>
I feel so attacked right now
actually I honestly don't even know what my rankings are...
oh... it's not that bad at all actually
main solar
It's just a matter of being kind of squishy when face tanking like 10 mobs at once. When you're killing them quick as well, they get bolstered pretty big and it's not uncommon to nearly get, especially if you spawn gamon or have some unlucky affix timing. It gets a lot better when you figure out which mobs are the problematic ones to kill off first and if you should just preemptively defensive going into a pull.
cunning needle
It's just a matter of being kind of squishy when face tanking like 10 mobs at on...
also not having any form of proper health regen sucks balls
main solar
yeah
cunning needle
my issue was never killing things quick enough or surviving
it was surviving on 50% health from pull
nova kelp
I just need to have stix stricken from the record
main solar
CV was pretty much on CD the entire run
flat void
one last thing - i typically dot with garrote/rupture/CT and just run around sp...
mmmh, thank you for the tip!
cunning needle
I just need to have stix stricken from the record
stix doesnt count anyway
cunning needle
CV was pretty much on CD the entire run
the best part about the 11.7 patch is the health regen spell
nova kelp
stix doesnt count anyway
it's not about the overall, it's just the shitty random colour sitting there 😦
nova kelp
I tried! but the raid doesn't instantly die anymore if you hit a territorial bomb!
the healers just pad more lol
main solar
Oh also the boss in the slag, just open and throw your CDs at it. When it starts casting, I cloak before the cast finishes and it just cancels it. No need to run around and dodge the ability.
royal lantern
it's entirely possible I've been getting carried by gear though
yes you did
nova kelp
yes you did
I accept it
this is all I need really
I'm happy with this
shiv adds? what's an add? what's a rupture snipe? bruh gtfo, I'm just waiting for the execute phase
royal lantern
I'm happy with this
are you?
cunning needle
I'm happy with this
im happy that youre happy
quiet oar
shiv adds? what's an add? what's a rupture snipe? bruh gtfo, I'm just waiting fo...
Who the fuck shivs adds as Sin
You either spec into Sub
or you say fuck off
nova kelp
Who the fuck shivs adds as Sin
rofl there was a whole convo about it earlier
I hit them with the "I'll TRY to line up my shit for the adds, if the boss is where it needs to be, then yay, if not, then so be it"
quiet oar
I would never shiv adds as sin
cunning needle
I hit them with the "I'll TRY to line up my shit for the adds, if the boss is wh...
the correct phrase was
"the only adds that matters are the ones at 30 seconds. everything else is meaningless"
red schooner
Who the fuck shivs adds as Sin
Me apparently. Checked gally stats last night, 43 enrage dispels
quiet oar
i would rather spec into Sub
red schooner
It was either we soothe or die and I just want prog to be over man 
quiet oar
It was either we soothe or die and I just want prog to be over man <:Pepegrin:13...
Just spec Sub at that point
nova kelp
to be fair yeah, if there's not a lot of enrage dispells over the raid it is what it is
red schooner
was it worth it though?
Probably not
red schooner
Just spec Sub at that point
I'm a hard stuck one trick pony
quiet oar
You guys dont have druids
red schooner
Idk how anything other than sin works
red schooner
We have all of those
nova kelp
I'd quite often hit 2 to 4 dispells throughout the opening phase just coincidentally
red schooner
was it worth it though?
No
cunning needle
No <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
now youve also set precedent
that you'll dispel
red schooner
Same people were also giving me shit for not hard swapping to adds but this was a rant I had last night
I just want this goblin bastard to die man
I'm tired boss
nova kelp
now youve also set precedent
DUDE I try so hard to get this point through to people
setting precedents and people unknowingly getting used to it in prog
it can be hella destructive
red schooner
now youve also set precedent
Our evoker had 0
nova kelp
wait
cunning needle
with an aoe soothe
red schooner
DUDE I try so hard to get this point through to people
setting precedents and pe...
I just wanted to help man
nova kelp
your evoker had ZERO dispells?
red schooner
your evoker had ZERO dispells?
Apparently
nova kelp
my man
cunning needle
I just wanted to help man <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
Say I'm not dispelling until the evoker dispels and the arcane mage puts hits totm into the add as well
nova kelp
so I believe I've found 2 big bads in your raid that you shouldn't be covering
1 the unh dks shouldn't do less damage than you hard switching to adds
2 there's no shot your evoker should have zero dispells, ever, just ever
cunning needle
i hate your raid leader and your evoker and your hunter and that druid
red schooner
do you HAVE an evoker?
Ye
cunning needle
tell them i said they can get fucked
red schooner
He was pres
quiet oar
He was pres
and?
red schooner
So idk if that fucks anything up with talenting into dispel?
quiet oar
He can still mass soothe
nova kelp
^
red schooner
Trying to devils advocate
quiet oar
it doesnt
red schooner
Okay
jaunty lotus
We talking shit about some log?
quiet oar
Our does it too
cunning needle
Trying to devils advocate
stop defending them
nova kelp
like if a pres voker hits you with "i have to heal" them aoe dispelling the enrages will help their healing MORE than healing
quiet oar
you overheal P1 anyways
red schooner
i hate your raid leader and your evoker and your hunter and that druid
The lower druid was resto and he's hard carrying healing so like, he's fine, he gets a pass.
nova kelp
good lord
royal lantern
like if a pres voker hits you with "i have to heal" them aoe dispelling the enra...
fuck off, hps for parsing
nova kelp
that druid must be putting in work lol
nova kelp
fuck off, hps for parsing
quiet oar
fuck off, hps for parsing
For Parsing you need to 3 Heal
red schooner
that druid must be putting in work lol
He actually raids in a rank 100 guild or something but when he finishes prog he joins us for more prog
Dudes wild
red schooner
But yeah he's chill, he gets no flak
nova kelp
He actually raids in a rank 100 guild or something but when he finishes prog he ...
I'm surprised he's not going mental hearing some of this stuff then tbh
I'd expect him to be like "uhhhhhh why are we making the sin rogue hard switch to adds? And why the evoker no dispell?????"
cunning needle
I'm surprised he's not going mental hearing some of this stuff then tbh
I'd ex...
you think anyone knows stuff outside their class?
red schooner
I'm surprised he's not going mental hearing some of this stuff then tbh
I'd ex...
Nah he just kind of lets us eat glue and occasionally provides feedback after
red schooner
He's like a wildlife documentary filmmaker
nova kelp
especially for rogue
man, that one, I felt that like right in the nuts
red schooner
You watch the animals but don't interfere
quiet oar
you think anyone knows stuff outside their class?
Our fury warrior switched to Tank for Cualdron
nova kelp
You watch the animals but don't interfere
HAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK
cunning needle
quiet oar
becasue he got stunned
nova kelp
rofl
quiet oar
and i was like
BRO
JUST POP IT
IT DOES ZERO DMG
OUR DK GRIPPED AND TRIGGERED THEM EVEN IN PROG
nova kelp
YOU ONLY KNOW THAT IF YOU WATCHED IT HAPPEN THOUGH!
quiet oar
HE SHOULD KNEW IT HE IS OFFICER
We are both and we talked about the bosses in our Offi team
gloomy heart
nova kelp
we had a guy on like pull 70 of mugzee like blink towards the entrance of th eroom with his gaol...
the rest of us were like "bro wtf?"
he goes "i've... never had the circle"
quiet oar
Bro some people really dont prepare bosses
red schooner
we had a guy on like pull 70 of mugzee like blink towards the entrance of th ero...
TBF that happens to me if something goes on me the first time. Just straight up panic into dumb death
cunning needle
HE SHOULD KNEW IT HE IS OFFICER
guy asking for help on mythic gallywix btw
red schooner
I know what I was meant to do. The panic was stronger
quiet oar
red schooner
There's a reason I'm in RFWL, it be how it be
cunning needle
we had a guy on like pull 70 of mugzee like blink towards the entrance of th ero...
I'm still mad about this
we're 300 fucking pulls in or something
this moment has lived rent free in my head for the last 4 years
and appraently in other peoples head
nova kelp
I'm still trying to work out this one bug my rogue and ONLY rogue has had the whole season...
I CAN'T pick up or interact with gally bombs - AT ALL
ALSO I CAN'T at all pop the soak orbs on the second boss of priory
my other characters, no worries
I have NO IDEA why
I've even tried running a completely bare UI
no change
on the upside I've been able to give it the "not my circus" resolution the whole patch
nova kelp
https://www.twitch.tv/dewarr96/clip/EntertainingPreciousSoybeanPanicVis--nVfqFIC...
are you TRYING to end our friendship?
did you just...
link a video of SLG at me?!
STONE
LEGION
cunning needle
whats your SLG trauma
nova kelp
GENERALS1?!?!?!?
cunning needle
this is a safe space
nova kelp
what do you mean what's the trauma
I'm still not over that boss merely existing
what an insanely shit boss
cunning needle
nova kelp
absolutely fuck every single thing about that boss
cunning needle
true
quiet oar
Slg was a good Boss
nova kelp
it's more egregiously offensive to the overall mental health of the world than the halo tv show
quiet oar
When you could cjeeze it
nova kelp
KICK THAT MAN
quiet oar
With the bop
nova kelp
oh
oh maybe that's fair
I never got to experience that
god I hated that boss
sire was sick asf though
nova kelp
almost as good as black hand
quiet oar
Everyone stacked in one corner
A pala got a huge orb, Pressed bop and triggered knock backs back to back and intermission over
The orb didnt get removed with bop on him, so He could just wiggle
nova kelp
oh so you just got to skip to the burn?
did you get to skip the 84 minutes of "hold your dick in your hand while the fight... fights"?
man, thinking about that fight fucks me up - god I hate that fight
I'd rather a whole raid of that one guy last tier, w/e the name was
danger worm
quiet oar
did you get to skip the 84 minutes of "hold your dick in your hand while the fig...
No you didnt hold
because you didnt have to
red schooner
do you HAVE an evoker?
Forgot to say, we also have a monk, I think they can soothe as well
Shits fucked lmao
nova kelp
because you didnt have to
that's one of the sexiest things anyone has ever said to me
nova kelp
Forgot to say, we also have a monk, I think they can soothe as well <:kekdog:907...
can they?
nova kelp
am I mental?
red schooner
Or am I having an aneurysm
red schooner
am I mental?
TBF it's equally likely I'm just eating paste rn
It happens
I thought they had a soothe though for some reason
nova kelp
it could be me tbh, I play my ww a lot but I straight just copy my guildies builds, put in some ear plugs and LALALALALALA my way through the raid
red schooner
Unless Blizzard wants to tell me the class with meditation themed abilities doesn't have ways to calm people down
hollow swift
Hey guys quick question, I recently started playing on my rogue again, the sims obviously say that I need to take out the daggers with the dinars, but I'm planning on crafting one anyway, so isn't it better to just get whatever the next best item is?
red schooner
Hey guys quick question, I recently started playing on my rogue again, the sims ...
Nah, crafted offhand and maxed out dinar dagger mainhand
Wait, hero track
I missed that
hollow swift
ye hero
red schooner
In my defence, I'm sleep deprived
hollow swift
I can't do mythics on it, cause idk if we are gonna reclear
hollow swift
In my defence, I'm sleep deprived
nw
red schooner
I'd say hold.off until you get your crafted and resim from there
But OH is one of our weakest slots
So I'd probably say it ain't worth if you're crafting a MH
nova kelp
yeah you super don't need to be concerned about your offhand until like... last
legit giga last
hollow swift
alright, thx for the help guys ❤️
quiet oar
wait incap soothes?
i think it soothes since TWW
nova kelp
i think it soothes since TWW
the more you know, I've never once considered using it like that
I just use it for "no move"
OI! OI YOU!
NO MOVE
I'm going to inform our raid of this revelation
the monks will hate it
and I will love that
red schooner
Give your evokers a break, they need to chill
Means our evoker can come back on shift and do his job
red schooner
One day I will try playing an alt properly, I'm just hard stuck with rogue
I've been institutionalised and can't play a thing else
nova kelp
try out ret, or dk
and lament
then get forever angry that either of those specs will ever complain about "complexity"
red schooner
try out ret, or dk
I refuse to roll paladin out of principle. Hated Ret pallies since WOTLK
DK, maybe. Never really tried it
nova kelp
unh dk is the big chill right now
one shot mechanic? big chill
need single target dps? big chill
need to change target? big chill
quiet oar
nova kelp
oh it just turns you into the old dude from god of highschool
red schooner
try out ret, or dk
Only other character I play is feral right now, which is alright, I like dots and I like melee
nova kelp
nova kelp
Only other character I play is feral right now, which is alright, I like dots an...
Feet warrior
red schooner
Feet warrior
I've had to play bear on it recently, it's a throwaway character for social raids and we've lacked tanks
nova kelp
I've had to play bear on it recently, it's a throwaway character for social raid...
go monk imo, monk is hella fun
tank and dps
healer probably but also fuck healing
royal lantern
Feet warrior
quake spec?
shrewd night
Only other character I play is feral right now, which is alright, I like dots an...
Good choice
red schooner
Good choice
It's pretty fun, I like how feral handles energy more than sin. It has some nice flow to it
shrewd night
Hope you have enjoyed whether to be good at st or wet noodle at cleave 
red schooner
Hope you have enjoyed whether to be good at st or wet noodle at cleave <:smilers...
It's a character for the drunk social raid, he's just there for the vibe.
shrewd night
Is he meowing in rhythm to the DONT.. STOP ME NOOOOOOW, IM HAVING A GOOD TIME
subtle tundra
i miss night fae soulshape
red schooner
Is he meowing in rhythm to the DONT.. STOP ME NOOOOOOW, IM HAVING A GOOD TIME
He's meowing to whatever cursed mashup I've got the discord DJ bot to play
But yeah social raid is where good mechanical play goes to die so, in that context, feral is fun
royal lantern
Is he meowing in rhythm to the DONT.. STOP ME NOOOOOOW, IM HAVING A GOOD TIME
you really are a feral player
red schooner
No clue how the spec fares in actual content
shrewd night
Its fun (if can do completely st, or dont have big bois that steal all add dam)
runic hinge
Feral is fun. I just miss cloak and evasion a lot
shrewd night
DAWG
shrewd night
Played my rogue a couple of days ago "wait, I can just stand in this lmao"
shrewd night
I dont need shills for Big Bear Inc to tell me to be even more in bearform
royal lantern
og feral 
shrewd night
Lets un-unfuck lycaras again
royal lantern
what does that mean for normal people?
is that the "stats according to form" talent?
shrewd night
Yeah, its the "you gotta swap to boomie and upkeep sunfire for bigger dam" talent
plush umbra
is it that hated for ferals? I raided some on the side on my druid in shadowlands and I really loved owlweaving, felt very druid-like to be able to use multiple different forms to do damage
runic hinge
I think most people feel swapping forms feels bad because it’s extra gcds
runic hinge
Played my rogue a couple of days ago "wait, I can just stand in this lmao"
Evasion doesn’t get that much use for things but when it does work and you can stand in something no one else can it feels so good
shrewd night
is it that hated for ferals? I raided some on the side on my druid in shadowland...
In shlands you swapped for convoke, thats it, this talent if it wasnt changed meant we would have crazy uptime for boomkin form, Ill see if I can find the stat 
plush umbra
you also switched for sunfire though
iirc it was something like a 3% gain to apply sunfire during dead globals back then
royal lantern
tbf, there is a difference bettwen "do it in dead globals where you would do nothing else at all" and "do it regulary for upkeeping stuff"
shrewd night
I cant find the exact uptime, but youd use skullbash every 15s with a cancelform macro in front of it to upkeep human form lycaras stats as well
it was full degen
plush umbra
tbf, there is a difference bettwen "do it in dead globals where you would do not...
there's a ton of dead globals though, you could easily achieve >90% uptime
so you were switching pretty much to refresh it every 15 or so seconds