they ain't gettin paid that much
#assassination
balmy condor
fast phoenix
yeah its miniscule lol
balmy condor
the majority of their income is streaming because "liquid guy streams me go watch"
humble verge
i know atleast Verb in method is a student so he just takes 3 weeks off to gear up lulw
main bridge
i am paid a lot more than them to do more fun stuff
fast phoenix
there ya go, know your worth
restive glade
i am paid a lot more than them to do more fun stuff
what do u do
main bridge
computer things
fast phoenix
break necks and cash checks
thorn thorn
@humble verge Play a healer
thorn thorn
Dead content
ocean laurel
Hey boys, there is anyoen who would like check my log and tell me where iam suck. I feels like i dont undersend energy pulling but mb there is someone who can help?\
mytic mug
spice surge
Theres practically nothing to do about energy, you just hit the boss
But youre not really pressing your buttons often enough, and youre using fok, which you shouldnt with VV specced
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
spice surge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/76RphVvfnYTBcPbX
Like this aint it
sonic pagoda
6 seconds of no button presses? in opener? thats tough
well not opener thats what second set of cds and you held for 30 seconds
spice surge
Its clearly during the charges, but ideally you just step him and keep blasting, shouldnt be that long
humble verge
go play mw
me when i play mw
humble verge
me when i play outlaw
ocean laurel
Theres practically nothing to do about energy, you just hit the boss
so i should not get 150+ eng before 1 min kb? also 4;30 its the moemnt when we do dps stop to clear ads from immmune shield
so iam sending kb to still keep 1-2 min cds
small bane
Whao whoa whoa, some of us have really stupid email jobs that are WFH.
digital venture
any reason why Elemental Focusing Lens is siming higher than dawnthread?
runic hinge
By how much
digital venture
very little
runic hinge
If you say .3 imma cry
digital venture
less than that
runic hinge
Okay the embellishments are all super close so tbh it doesn’t really matter
digital venture
true, was just curious to know why dawnthread is the choice for the vast majority
hallow glade
lens is also pure st in a raid with 1 st fight
digital venture
simed both in DS and ST tho
spice surge
Ye but it doesn matter either way
balmy condor
all embellishments suck
spice surge
Embellishments just suck ass
thorn thorn
If only this was DF and the embellishments were actually worth thinking about
hallow glade
Duskthread has a purple icon 🥰
winged sun
🤷
balmy condor
literally who fucking cares
spice surge
Blue silken lining from S4 of dragonflight unironically gives more stats than current embellishments 
digital venture
I don't, I do what the sim says and Im happy x)
winged sun
Blue silken lining from S4 of dragonflight unironically gives more stats than cu...
true
thorn thorn
Blue silken lining from S4 of dragonflight unironically gives more stats than cu...
I was actually specifically thinking of Lariat but BSL is also notable 
balmy condor
blizzard wanting to make room for hero talents to be a big % of throughput
but then fumbling hero talents
and now there's just random shit crafts and green text
nice
thorn thorn
but then fumbling hero talents
Some of them are cool but the balancing on some of them are dog
worthy rose
dont be too harsh on blizz
thorn thorn
I take that back actually
thorn thorn
The balancing on most of them are dog lol
balmy condor
Some of them are cool but the balancing on some of them are dog
I mean it is what it is, the concepts blizzard puts out is fine, like circlet, the delve belt, hero talents, embellishments
the core of the content they release
is all fine
digital venture
but hear me out, I stand in every single puddle and don't int in m+ so dawnthread is never proced. The sim knows 🧠
balmy condor
but they just rush it out
worthy rose
if your healer is good dawnthread is good
winged sun
\
worthy rose
if your healer is bad and youre inting then use ascendance and writhing
winged sun
worthy rose
ezpz
balmy condor
every single thing since like 9.1 has been rushed to shit and it's just cancer
worthy rose
basically just blame healer
thorn thorn
but they just rush it out
NP needing some people to restart halfway through otherwise it becomes unplayably laggy
worthy rose
every single thing since like 9.1 has been rushed to shit and it's just cancer
thats because they dont have pirateroach with them anymore
digital venture
healers love me, they can do good logs cuz I eat everything 
worthy rose
the bestest ever coder blizz never had
worthy rose
how can you eat everything as a rogue dont you just die
winged sun
the 9m overall cinder was fake
worthy rose
as a dk i can definitely help my healers pad their healing
thorn thorn
winged sun
i thought it did nothing
worthy rose
how can i fake my logs to do 20mil dps
winged sun
turns out it was just fake on dummies 
digital venture
how can you eat everything as a rogue dont you just die
I'm doing 15s 
that's how
winged sun
but in dungeons it works
thorn thorn
how can i fake my logs to do 20mil dps
Bribe Xephyris
winged sun
how can i fake my logs to do 20mil dps
nah its only fake on meters image
if u open details the dmg is less
spice surge
every single thing since like 9.1 has been rushed to shit and it's just cancer
And its weird because sometimes they tryhand and push hotfixes to fix it, and sometimes they just go "oh well, it is what it is, go next"
winged sun
and in logs its logging your real dmg
thorn thorn
I need that WA so I can be irresponsible with my friends
balmy condor
yeah, 3 min dungeon ST doing more than full bis raid ST
winged sun
spice surge
What if blizzard just randomly adds a 5% extra aura buff
worthy rose
blizz made dungeons and mythics too easy
spice surge
Sub still has the +5% extra buff on ptr
worthy rose
i dont know what im doing half the time as DK
and i made it to 3060 rating accidentally
everyone who complains how hard 3k is to get has no busines being 3k
winged sun
Sub still has the +5% extra buff on ptr <a:Classic:1115740226476855448>
i used the dmg multiplier WA on sub and still did less dmg than real sin dmg in m+ 
worthy rose
if you gotta complain about it you aint it chief
blizz needs to stop nerfing content for casuals
winged sun
worthy rose
placid ore
is there a bug in caustic spatter atm?
worthy rose
what bug
normal mist
No afaik
placid ore
some rogues going 8M overall
winged sun
i mean
rogue actually does 8m overall but
in some keys in high keys only
like priory/flood
but thats every class kinda anyways
udk, boomkin, sin, outlaw
many more
winged sun
some rogues going 8M overall
many classes can do 8m
worthy rose
why even bother trying to play rogue on hardmode
just roll a dp and spread ebola on high keys
normal mist
some rogues going 8M overall
Tldr no
worthy rose
do 20mil damage
just start blasting
if in doubt
spread ebola
watch the details meter go brrrrrr
unholy is just bleed build on steroids
thorn thorn
Just do 10m overall its that shrimple
sage pagoda
I was expecting a preview of 11.2 to be released today, but nothing happened.
balmy condor
a major patch preview on a friday?
digital venture
just do a 30M pull, take a screen, glue it to the screen and let it rest there, 30m overall ezpz
balmy condor
before 11.1.7 is even out?
spice surge
Not sure why you were expecting it today, they typically reveal it after the previous patch on the ptr is released
balmy condor
I wish I had half your optimism
sage pagoda
The 11.1 preview was released quite early, as I remember.
worthy rose
guys
worthy rose
what are we thinking the theme of next season is
we went from spider castle to goblin techies
whats next
diving into the void?
spice surge
Void
worthy rose
are we finally going to slap mommy xalatath?
normal mist
Void hentai
worthy rose
Void hentai
something something tentacles on xalatath
spice surge
Seat of triumvirate 
worthy rose
Void hentai
yamerooooooo
thorn thorn
Seat of triumvirate <:POGGA:752673749555216464>
I heard this dungeon was mega booty cheeks
normal mist
Monoco would love to fight xalatath
spice surge
I heard this dungeon was mega booty cheeks
They just never nerfed it so it was turbo giga overtuned all season
normal mist
I still remember it was the dungeon where I got my head legendary (vendetta Cd reduction) from back in legion
And I did it like 2 times
And boy it sucked
unreal loom
where can we find that weak aura ross? I'd like to troll my boys xd
winged sun
idk eazmode, if i share it it'll be like raider io
new mess
everyone shares fake things
static glacier
M+ Survivability tier list, thoughts?
thorn thorn
M+ Survivability tier list, thoughts?
Dev does not below in C
worthy rose
bold of you to assume the game isnt corrupt already
winged sun
i wont use it after today anyways
thorn thorn
Dev is A or S
winged sun
i'll disable it
worthy rose
games cooked man
fresh kelp
M+ Survivability tier list, thoughts?
doesnt hpriest have a cheat death
worthy rose
if you dont have friends to play wow with its a shit game
worthy rose
wow has literally become waiting room simulator
fresh kelp
its a tanky spec
thorn thorn
Aug should also be in A
spice surge
Putting sub and assa on the same tier is
dapper cradle
Aug should also be in A
And dev in D?
unreal loom
sub is S tier
static glacier
Putting sub and assa on the same tier is <a:Classic:1115740226476855448>
do note sin is lower
thorn thorn
Aug and Dev are both A
dapper cradle
Outlaw is O tier
fresh kelp
just because 90% of the boomie population is too braindamaged to press bear form doesnt mean its squishy
dapper cradle
Ret is r
static glacier
tbh with you my co-author was the one primarily saying devokers are deadge
spice surge
do note sin is lower
Ye surely those 2 steps are worth like 15% passive DR
thorn thorn
If people genuinely think dev is C tier they suck at the game
static glacier
I still thought of them as tanky
thorn thorn
For survivability
static glacier
esp aug
main bobcat
idk if aug is A, it would be the same tier as warlock and fury
static glacier
Ye surely those 2 steps are worth like 15% passive DR
ain't no way execution is that cracked
fresh kelp
sub is omega tankier than assa
static glacier
or we talking trickster dr?
thorn thorn
idk if aug is A, it would be the same tier as warlock and fury
Ya, and?
40% Dr with 2 charges, renewing blaze, and a 30% max health shield on a 1m cd
Pretty weird thats only B and C tier
spice surge
ain't no way execution is that cracked
Fade to nothing is 10% dr thats up most of the time, but yes theres also the 5% dr from trickster and 5-10% dr from vers
thorn thorn
If we are ignoring hero talents its still 30% with 2 charges and 90s cd
static glacier
Fade to nothing is 10% dr thats up most of the time, but yes theres also the 5% ...
wait
BRO
wtf is this node
completely unaware
main bobcat
we're not ignoring hero talents no, but 2 charges of wall is like a hunter, they have a 10% stronger one ig
static glacier
nvm editing
main bobcat
like idk if that's close to warlock on windwalker
sonic pagoda
only like 16+ keys and above are sparse thats for sure
fresh kelp
also dk > ret and outlaw arguably > dk
sonic pagoda
lower keys are still pretty abundant
main bobcat
keep in mind mo has a dps perspective and I have mostly healer pov
sonic pagoda
i sit in lfg q for like an hour and read a book and then shitters die on opening pull lol
main bobcat
from a healer pov aug isn't very tanky, never as tanky as a warlock
sonic pagoda
aug is squish
thorn thorn
Aug is not squish
sonic pagoda
sub has same survivabilty as outlaw
thorn thorn
If your aug is squish they are bad
static glacier
also dk > ret and outlaw arguably > dk
kinda confused here
sonic pagoda
augs fall over in my keys i guess they are just bad
sonic pagoda
no shot dk is the tankiest thing besides tank
winged sun
main bobcat
in hard pulls right or hard bosses, like paladin pulls or candle king or getting targeted by the dots on 1st meadery boss
static glacier
no shot dk is the tankiest thing besides tank
ret >= dk tbh
sonic pagoda
i mean i timed 15 keys with aug fire mage lmao
main bobcat
it also seems like aug is MEGA volatile
fresh kelp
sub has same survivabilty as outlaw
nah outlaw stacks more vers and has evasion up 10x as often
thorn thorn
Evoker as a whole has lots of survivability as a class
sonic pagoda
ret is not more tanky than dk thats cope af
thorn thorn
Aug is the only one that gets any extra survivability but thats cuz it gets cheat
sonic pagoda
i guess sub havineg 2 dances and all the dr is not real
thorn thorn
The rest get some fashion of extra survivability
thorn thorn
ret is not more tanky than dk thats cope af
Ya in no world is ret as tanky as DK
Copium straight to the neck
static glacier
ret is not more tanky than dk thats cope af
dk is tankier vs magic but generically dk is tankier, lower cd wall, absorb works on phys
main bobcat
honestly ret just wins cause of bubble, but like you're comparing two specs that are potentially tankier than brewmaster
dapper cradle
I got a copium catheter in
static glacier
dk just ignores a lot of shit outright but ret's defensives are better imo
deathstrike > wog though
sonic pagoda
no dk is most tanky thing in game next to tanks thats fact
thorn thorn
DK also just gets too much passive survivability
They have lots of passive mitigation in their tree
And AMS just being a very powerful defensive in general
spice surge
Ye and they lost like 10% stamina going into this patch
static glacier
ret's passive survivability is very very good and the spec functions at range unlike frost and unholy in keys atm
sonic pagoda
and the ability to talent into sharing ams
spice surge
static glacier
regardless I think you can argue ret vs dps dks
thorn thorn
sonic pagoda
ret is overpopulated its decent but just not as good as dk or war or rogue lo0l
static glacier
what I will say is frost dk is notably tankier than unholy
sonic pagoda
its gimmick aoe with no prio
fresh kelp
if the dps dk knows how to use ams its just not close
static glacier
sanlayn is weaker than db for personal defensives
winged sun
and the ability to talent into sharing ams
wait i remember that
wtf happened to it
did they actually remove it?
thorn thorn
If your DK is using AMS properly there is just no competition lol
static glacier
they still have it
hasty saddle
Ret not gooder then rogue?
thorn thorn
AMS is just such an over powered ability this season
thorn thorn
So many magical debuffs that you can just immune on a short CD
spice surge
Tank dying > DK tanking a couple of boss melees and resses.
Many such cases, especially last season
static glacier
ret is tankier than rogue tbh, rogue suffers with bleed or dots, ret selfhealing is cracked
static glacier
they also have a true immunity
sonic pagoda
and thats why im a menace in the discord sitting in lfg applying to only the total of 5 16+ keys being posted lmao and not getting invited becasue some rogues set a bad example or they dont know ima top the meters
thorn thorn
AMS has a shorter CD than that true immunity
sonic pagoda
mo please stop rogue has magic immunity and 100% evasion on low cd and a permenant 40% dmg reduction
just use more health pots
thorn thorn
And still functionally renders the DK immune to magical effects if they use it properly
DK op
static glacier
just use more health pots
funny you should say that
i've been told off by multiple healers about my pot addiction
sonic pagoda
wait i remember that
they didnt remove maybe you just dont play with enough dks? i rarely play with them but that shits nice
fresh kelp
ret is tankier than rogue tbh, rogue suffers with bleed or dots, ret selfhealing...
outlaw is genuinely tankier than even dk if there isn't a debuff to ams often (think bubbles)
winged sun
they didnt remove maybe you just dont play with enough dks? i rarely play with ...
my main team is with udk
sonic pagoda
never ever hype up ret they are overpopulated i will say they are decent with a lot of tools like bop/magic bop/sac devo aura stacking with entropic and their bubble they dont press wog its dps loss lol
but ther dmg profile is shit lol
thorn thorn
why arent ppl using it
Cuz it doesnt work like normal AMS does
sonic pagoda
my main team is with udk
does he not give you ams?
thorn thorn
Instead of just immuning magic effects it reduces duration by 50% on allies
winged sun
Cuz it doesnt work like normal AMS does
i mean
if its DR from magic
thats already super big
main bobcat
freedom can immune some heavy hitters as well
main bobcat
yeah freedoming to clear traps as well
thorn thorn
Imagine a pws thats much weaker and gives you 50% duration on hostile magic effects
And thats the ally AMS
sonic pagoda
wait you guys stand in traps?
main bobcat
fr tho ret's way of doing dam is dogshit in the church no focused damage in a dungeon with infinite prio targets
sonic pagoda
feint on thunderclap cast is nothing to a rogue just step lol or grappling hook
main bobcat
but that's a tankiness tier list 
static glacier
alright can we discuss the a-b-c tiers more? the top of s discussion is debatable
thorn thorn
Wowhead not exactly helpful 
thorn thorn
alright can we discuss the a-b-c tiers more? the top of s discussion is debatabl...
Aug and Dev A tier
Pretty easily actually
main bobcat
if you say so, I've healed plenty of evokers, dev just always seems extremely fragile
sonic pagoda
Warlocks are tanky yeah?
random comet
/weakaura
sonic pagoda
so are mages probably both b tier survivability although a lot of mages i just drag through keys becaseu they dont press shield
static glacier
mages are insane defensively
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main bobcat
glad you're the goat of rogues big dog
static glacier
like absolutely insane
thorn thorn
FS dev is the closest to fragile the spec gets because unlike the other 2 hero talents it doesnt get any form of extra DR
sonic pagoda
but im just starting 16 keys so its like i really start to notice other classes if they players arent pressing their buttons
thorn thorn
They have cauterize wounds which is.... a thing i guess?
royal lantern
so are mages probably both b tier survivability although a lot of mages i just d...
mage is literally the tankiest class in the game with dk
thorn thorn
I dont like it
main bobcat
yeah idk
thorn thorn
I like the shared blaze more
static glacier
tons of keys to stay alive and they're not that situational, most are just shield or raw dr
main bobcat
keep in mind I play resto druid right
my only way of keeping people alive most of the time is just throughput
thorn thorn
SC and CW both get some extra DR
main bobcat
and honestly man dev always seems super super fragile
sonic pagoda
mage is literally the tankiest class in the game with dk
yeah they have a lot of tools huh they are A tier survivabilty or s tier for sure i reckon
thorn thorn
Check their healing
sonic pagoda
dev gets rolled lol
sonic pagoda
and then dont interupt or press buttons lmao instead of just learning a class
thorn thorn
Most of the time they are unfounded and made by idiots making content
sonic pagoda
anything is playable to 18+ keys any class
static glacier
monka
royal lantern
oh shit keep talking
sonic pagoda
any comp
thorn thorn
anything is playable to 18+ keys any class
Triple boomie
static glacier
tbh there needs to be a gap between aug and dev
aug plays scale which is tankier than flameshaper
and has cheat
sonic pagoda
Triple boomie
if they run with prot pally and rsham to help with kicks sure
royal lantern
Triple boomie
thats a negative braincell problem, not a class/spec Problem
static glacier
and a tiny bit more max hp iirc
thorn thorn
Aug doesnt run the attunements anymore unless at the super high end when it actually matters
Actually a loss to take it for what you get
Talent got rightfully nuked out of existence
sonic pagoda
ebon might and prescience are decent
i mean when aug does like 4-5 mil overall and the other dps do like 8 in high keys its not the worst
aug is still decent
main bobcat
who the hell is doing 8m in keys bro
sonic pagoda
in a floodgate i feel thats common
sonic pagoda
i mean i think i did 7m overall in dfc with an aug in a 15 rofl
main bobcat
do you have a log of that or a screenshot
royal lantern
who the hell is doing 8m in keys bro
me
sonic pagoda
just details os its not breakin it down im sure who looks at m+ logs?
royal lantern
trust
sonic pagoda
for real
main bobcat
I feel like if you're doing 7m in a dfc you're not denied from 16s
or?
highest I've seen in a dfc is like 5.8 from a dk
sonic pagoda
i just got resil 15s on tuesday/ Only been back for like 6 weeks to the game and im pretty toxic when ppl mess up the flame comes out
main bobcat
yeah it's all good man make sure to flame yourself as well when you turn into a pig
make it all fair
sonic pagoda
lol i ssay when i mess up
sonic pagoda
im just trying to figure shit out
thorn thorn
Priory or DFC might be 8m tho
main bobcat
is that in a dfc?
sonic pagoda
priory dfc and cindy you just get big numbers
thorn thorn
is that in a dfc?
This was floodgate
main bobcat
ah ok
sonic pagoda
flood gate is a good one yeah
thorn thorn
Priory is close to floodgate
main bobcat
with aug I guess then yeah
thorn thorn
Cinderbrew is the only one close to 8m, but these are R1 for aug so I wouldnt say its a super common thing
static glacier
maybe details numbers will be higher since there's rp and travel time
thorn thorn
Probably
main bobcat
idk I'm used to seeing non aug overalls and if it's like 6-6.5 it's giga already
main bobcat
but yeah aug still making people cracked I guess
sonic pagoda
aug indeed is still making classes with big cds craciked lol
thorn thorn
The guys enh is hella cranking though
royal lantern
delete aug
winged sun
Priory is close to floodgate
dmg of those 2 players is abit inflated too btw
winged sun
they're the only players dpsing ( 2 players)
yea elbro was in MDI last season
one of the best enh's in the game
thorn thorn
dmg of those 2 players is abit inflated too btw
I know, its filtered by augmented damage
sonic pagoda
yeah true facts enhance can still crank just comes down to defensives i imagine why they arent popular this season
static glacier
yeah true facts enhance can still crank just comes down to defensives i imagine ...
its just uh being better
winged sun
so ur doing more dmg than u should be
static glacier
on pull sizes that these keys demand
winged sun
its hard to explain
winged sun
its not the buff that i mean
just that
3rd dpser is doing 0 dps
so u automatically do more
winged sun
not in m+
in m+ if packs live longer u do more overall
thats why ur always gonna see high key pushers do INSANE overall dps
thorn thorn
Ya
sonic pagoda
i mean overall speed of the duneon or execution time will affect your overall yeah?
thorn thorn
Aug does less dam, packs live longer, other 2 dps get higher overall
Same deal as last season
sonic pagoda
yeah true its like mage doesnt even do dmg until 15+ keys
static glacier
mage can do great dps in 12s
winged sun
waaaay more dps
royal lantern
usually when kill timers are showrter you do more dam
not in aoe situations
and like, its high m+
you pull bigger all the time
sonic pagoda
yeah im understanding the difference
like in big pulls as assa in bleed build youd think them living longer with execute dmg and zhoidaks your dmg would go up
but it doesnt your caustic splatter dmg ends up going higher the longer the adds live
royal lantern
thats a different Situation
sonic pagoda
mage can do great dps in 12s
idk i get upset on my mage because things dont live long enough for my surge and touch to do full dmg
static glacier
if the pact is dying before mark pops
you probably just need to send faster and ask tank to facilitate that
sonic pagoda
no im telling you ask anymage in higher keys and they have all told me mage isnt fun until 14-15+ keys becasue the shitter mobs dont live long enough
main bobcat
good discussion tho, thank you sin rogue channel
uneven plume
<@703021057266679968> btw
bleed build surely 
main bobcat
sonic pagoda
you have ret pallies and shit just absolutley shittong on the shitter adds so your full dmg doesnt go out lol
thorn thorn
static glacier
no im telling you ask anymage in higher keys and they have all told me mage isnt...
that doesn't make mage bad?
ah yes my damage to unimportant adds matters and justifies saying mage isn't good xd
sonic pagoda
i never said mage was bad...I just said they dont do their full dmg potential until mid to higher keys thats it lol
static glacier
arcane absolutely demolishes the big prio target in packs, it's completely fine in lower keys
just bc it doesnt win overall vs ret who pads neophyte dmg doesn't mean its bad
sonic pagoda
you need to read things more clearly Mo...
static glacier
anyways g2g, goodbye dustx
thorn thorn
If im not doing top overall spec is bad
sonic pagoda
Like please read more carefully i never said they are bad i said that its not as fun and their true dmg potential isnt happening
like dont you guys play rogue to top meters?
runic hinge
If im not doing top overall spec is bad
Real true and based
That’s why I can’t play spriest anymore xd
winged sun
guys
winged sun
why the cow am i so hungry
wtf
i ate a big fat pizza 8 hrs ago
oh
8 hrs
thats why
ok
sonic pagoda
lmao
winged sun
yy im good im good i was just like
why am i hungry
then i realized it was 8 hrs ago
sonic pagoda
you been farting yet?
sonic pagoda
oh no
winged sun
why
sonic pagoda
yeah full pizza 8 hours sheesh
thorn thorn
gloomy heart
Eat taco bell and then you fart
rugged fable
fartobell
sonic pagoda
i had like 3 fish sammiches at lunch with a abunch of veggies dinner was roasted turkey mashed potates and more veggies desert was rice krispy and a bunch of fruite lol
nah idk if i eat a whole pizza all that bread makes me gassy af lol
Taco hell if you will
thorn thorn
The cheese???
winged sun
Eat taco bell and then you fart
Toilet after tacobell is probably harder than gallywix mythic
sonic pagoda
sweat way more thats for sure lol
gloomy heart
Toilet after tacobell is probably harder than gallywix mythic
shittin out logs 🪵
hasty saddle
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
timid haven
Is Bleed build still viable for 16+?
silver sail
is there a way to find out the power level comparison between agility stat + 632 vs. mastery + 2,412 for assassination rogue?
sacred schooner
sim it 🙂
runic hinge
!simguide
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
balmy condor
Is Bleed build still viable for 16+?
bleed build has timed 20s
timid haven
Ty
silver sail
i cant use stat weight for that as i am trying to compare power bomb vs. tempered potion.
silver sail
ty
silver sail
just run two quick sims
is power bomb actually in sim consumable selection?
balmy condor
idk what power bomb is
balmy condor
oh that shit is giga ass
you'd have to make sure you're hitting 5 people that are also popping cds
and also hit the moib
and then not hit the tank
and then it still only really gives like 1/3rd of the stat of a tempered potion
like it's an absolute fucking joke of a consumable
runic hinge
Could be good for a healer? Idk
silver sail
and then it still only really gives like 1/3rd of the stat of a tempered potion
ah, that's what i wasnt sure if 632 primary stats is more comparable to 2.4k mastery
i also dont know why cant hit tank 🙂
balmy condor
ah, that's what i wasnt sure if 632 primary stats is more comparable to 2.4k mas...
It’s not 2.4k mastery
It’s 2.4k of EVERY secondary
silver sail
ok now i got it. how does it interact with flask of alchemical
balmy condor
Alchemical doesn’t count as a secondary so it gives all
fervent fractal
Should I stop using gushing wound, are the pins up to date regarding greater corruption?
main bridge
wonder if this is relevant
main bridge
yeah you should probably mention Whispyr and make sure
thorn thorn
wonder if this is relevant
Are pins up to date
fervent fractal
alright new question, what greater corruption do you all use? Or switch for content
runic hinge
I use void cause it’s just good all around
Get stats. Don’t worry about procs
Ez pz ignore
past forum
I’ve done so many trying to get that stupid trash mount, I could afford to swap back and forth every day and probably last the rest of the season
fervent fractal
I use void cause it’s just good all around
alright for sure
balmy condor
depends what the question is
humble verge
for the #rogue-streamers idk why im not showing up, do i have to add anything related to rogue into my title? i would assume
im not streaming rn
balmy condor
you need to stream in the wow category
humble verge
i am
balmy condor
it works off discord activity
humble verge
idk when i turned it off
maybe cause i didnt want to get seen when streaming
idk actually
but alr
makes total sense
balmy condor
you just gotta have the purple thing on your status
humble verge
yeye ofc
the thing is tho
well
ok so
it enables as soon as i start OBS
so idk why it woulndt
opaque jacinth
balmy condor
balmy condor
if it still isn't working you should dm fuu
humble verge
most people here woulndt tune in
balmy condor
his bot his bugs
humble verge
kk
balmy condor
humble verge
how far you got in poe rn
balmy condor
finished act 7
balmy condor
I'm leveling deadeye into power siphon mines into movespeed heist pathfinder
balmy condor
something like that
worn geyser
i do not envy u, heist is crazy mind numbing
worn geyser
seek help
balmy condor
I loved heist league and haven't gone back since so I thought why not
humble verge
after sometime it does get mind numbing
but if you have gem heists
its so nice
hoping
you get some good abnormals
worn geyser
ok true its kinda like a slot machine
humble verge
like i think i once got a 100 div gem
and this was late in the league
i had gotten gifted a mb for my LA
kinda sad i didnt mirror any of settlers' bows
wouldve been cool
worn geyser
ya thats crazy, tbh i been so casual on the leagues since affliction, i went too hard burnt tf out
that shit was peak
humble verge
ive only played like
3 leagues
delirium
ultimatum
and crucible
only deli and cruc i actually played far and made more than 1 char
balmy condor
been playing since 3.5
humble verge
ok unc
worn geyser
i skip alot, but i played crucible also and that shit was so bad
balmy condor
balmy condor
26 next month
worn geyser
i started in prophecy league but i was so ass
runic hinge
I wish i was 24 again
runic hinge
I dont wanna be 18 again, 24 was good tho
humble verge
i wanna be 18 again so i can change my apprentice workplace
would rather work public than private
also man
i feel like pshero just got a sad streaming life 
literally just rogue world pvp 24/7
balmy condor
why the fuck would you world pvp in 2025
humble verge
why the fuck would you world pvp in 2025
this is what world pvp at 8 am on classic aniv in 2025 does to a mf
bro is 34
snow hamlet
humble verge
idk, prolly not right info
sharp viper
even when he had less gray hair
humble verge
i just googled
sharp viper
I'm not gonna pity someone who willingly plays classic
humble verge
but hes probably in hes 40s i would assume
sharp viper
he looks like it
humble verge
humble verge
I'm not gonna pity someone who willingly plays classic
ps playing classic
snow hamlet
he was born 1990
prisma coral
never forget that the titan belt once upon a time clearly had a pendulum dong
that was at least 1.8%dps in ST by itself
maybe more 5-7 targets depending on your energy
snow hamlet
prisma coral
it was in the game for maybe 48 hours before they removed it, a sad story, interestingly enough no longer a total waist of time
prisma coral
a wildly involved BFA secrets, the tuesday belt is a dongless recolor
the original was called the "waist of time"
humble verge
lul
prisma coral
cause its a clock and took fucking hours of bouncing around all over after finishing another secret to get
prisma coral
not sure I imagine its maybe still there
prisma coral
if you are interested, i think the most interesting thing is that bliz desexualized a belt clock, and their new marginally significant grind thing is visually based on something called a waste of time
sharp viper
if you are interested, i think the most interesting thing is that bliz desexuali...
they did what?
prisma coral
they did what?
if you scroll up a bit there is more context
perhaps much needed
maybe
prisma coral
yeah it was such an annoyingly weird thing to get it flew way under the radar and I remembered it when i saw they reused the model
and made it like void blue or whatever
grim jay
i wish i was 18 again
couldnt be me
sharp viper
couldnt be me
are you even 18 yet 
grim jay
are you even 18 yet <:Susge:1216136851077861466>
I'm 29
runic hinge
Old
sharp viper
grim jay
being 24 or 25 again would be fine, but 18? having no fancy things, no property and no fully developed values?
hell no
sharp viper
you have property?!
prisma coral
being 24 or 25 again would be fine, but 18? having no fancy things, no property ...
I want to maybe disagree, the tangle of ignorance and hubris was almost bliss
grim jay
I want to maybe disagree, the tangle of ignorance and hubris was almost bliss
I mean just taking the perspective of a person at that age, kinda
but looking at it from the current perspective its kinda "what did we even do back then?"
prisma coral
I knew everything yet had probably not thought about anything
grim jay
that fits it
humble verge
couldnt be me
prisma coral
i still know less than ever
unless it involves exceedingly niche belt transmogs in Blizzard Entertainments award winning game, "World of Warcraft"
and/or the cultivation of very specfic preferances for nameplates in said game.
humble verge
unless it involves exceedingly niche belt transmogs in Blizzard Entertainments a...
blizzard gambling on their updates
loud hawk
bro why nobody is playing rogue wtf
prisma coral
its been nobody for ages, even when its good
humble verge
there is no good reason to play rogue other than just wasting your time
loud hawk
huuuuuuh ??
humble verge
thats why i leveled it up as my first character
and have yet to actually raid as another class
loud hawk
huuuuuuuuuh
prisma coral
i made mine out of spite about 2years of play time ago
i imagine thats not an unusual story
spring stream
I am 23 currently, what advice y’all would give me
loud hawk
go to gym
humble verge
im surprised i only have 2,3k played on this rogue
grim jay
bro why nobody is playing rogue wtf
most people just prefer easy classes, also rogue itself isnt as popular anymore
in many games
snow hamlet
wise pilot
call me special needs, but how the hell come everyone got so much mast/crit but when i sim it wants buttload of haste n crit currently im only at 15k mast and 15k crit
solar wyvern
Not everyone sims and crit/mast good stats to aim for. The robot def knows best.
Haste and crit are decent for ST, versa good for m+ but stats on assa are kinda fake tbh
Whatever the robot says is gucci
old lily
in DFC on the first pull the overseers do that aoe attack, could we not evasion that?
or am i thinking of another mechanic that we can evasion that just looks similar
solar wyvern
or am i thinking of another mechanic that we can evasion that just looks similar
Brutal slam from Shaynmale is what u probs thinking. Dfc slams are saved by freedom or the first .5 seconds of vanish
prisma coral
pretty sure everything those knights do is physical too, don't quote me on that
dumb question, since i perhaps have botched it every time, can you still vanish to cheese the 3 target jump on the mechagon dog?
i vaguely remember purposely going far since the furthest person is first and vanishing in time with its jump
I consistantly forget to look into it until we are already there
sudden sigil
Anyone have a buidl that is uiseable for low gear?
Only 650 and i assume the bleed build is not worth it in +10's with shitty gear etc
prisma coral
I don't see any reason its not totally appropriate there
sudden sigil
Ah lovely thanks
balmy condor
bleed is even better with lower dungeons and shittier gear
sudden sigil
On the bleed build do i need to stay above 50% energy?
One of my mates told me that and i cant seem to find the interaction
balmy condor
that's the original design of it
technically yes but it's only like 15% of the time in single target
and it's very minor
don't bother
sudden sigil
Kk thanks Whisp, and i assume the bleed build is the one in wowherad under m+ talent builds its the baseline one
balmy condor
yes
static glacier
Ay @balmy condor would you ever bother TCing classic versions of wow? What expac would you be interested in doing that from?
Since at this rate I’m starting to think we’re going to get to legion
balmy condor
Ay <@167090536602140682> would you ever bother TCing classic versions of wow? Wh...
hell no
I have no interest in theorycrafting a solved game
static glacier
Inb4 you have all the past version guides you wrote in a repository
I swear if it’s an expac you’ve already done the play is to just rerelease the guide for $$
balmy condor
I mean for shadowlands+, yes
that would be it
guides exist for legion as well though, raidbots and simulationcraft were well supported in that era
it would just be a matter of drudging through old youtube content and old guides from back then
humble verge
rip
the group i was doing HC boosts with are out cause of the Iran/Israel conflict
sadge
brave comet
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
keep politics out of my videogames!
shy axle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
brisk wolf
@balmy condor hi, is it normal for crimson tempest to be my top damage ability in mythic plus by a lot? I'm trying to acclimate to the bleed build rotation and am unnacustomed to using crimson tempest in single target rotation
brisk wolf
@normal mistThank you so much, I really appreciate your reply !
shy axle
which m+ wa that shows the time/breakpoint for +2/3 etc do you prefer?
final cosmos
do u need to have 2x shiv for deathmark window only or solo KB window aswell ?
or 1 is enough 6 sec left?
hidden bay
hidden bay
full cds 2x shiv
solo KB 1x shiv (since you use the other shiv in the 30 second lingering darkness window (you get the buff for 30 seconds after deathmark expires) and have darkest night at the same time)
winged sun
Last 8 sec
hidden bay
^
normal mist
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
normal mist
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
vale fox
question. how do yall make sure your sudden demise procs in assa rogue?
i just did a dungeon and the other assa rogue had a total of 250M sudden demise dmg and mine was at 60M
granted i am playing the envenom build
but just wanna make sure im not doing something wrong
pure moth
You don't run 2 .
vale fox
well in big aoe
i put Crimson, and then garrote and rupture on the 3 that i get from stealth
and then i just pump the main target and maintain the bleeds on him
do yall manually apply garrote rupture on multiple targets besides the 3 from stealth with Carnage?
normal mist
maintain garrote on your main target
normal mist
which build you playing?
normal mist
what key level?
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
vale fox
yea thats the build he was playing
i gotta give that one a try
im just big on ADHD so i like a lot of buttons
normal mist
No worries, be sure to read the guide and ask questions if you're not understanding something
kindred flare
garrote no
So you’re saying we don’t spread garrotes with the bleed build, just maintain CT and spread ruptures while carnage is up?
kindred flare
Heard, that’s what I thought. Wanted to make sure I’m not crazy. Thank you.
normal mist
once carnage is over, garrote MT and spread ruptures manually OR vanish and restart it again
kindred flare
I’m only 3100 so not high keys but the bleed build gets the job done with my sub gear on 😂
normal mist
Yeah, fortunately assa doesnt really worry about secundaries that much
kindred flare
Makes switching over easier at least. Made the rookery mistake with sub one time and I’ll never stop having nightmares.
novel star
im just big on ADHD so i like a lot of buttons
bleed build lowkey presses more buttons anyway
ct single target, aoe shiv
tawdry root
Hi all, my guild is finally done with mythic OAB (where I was asked to play sub) and moving into mugzee where I am playing assa (god bless)
I heard spatter can damage the jail adds if I’m hitting boss- is that pretty consistent or is it kinda finicky?
novel star
red schooner
Hi all, my guild is finally done with mythic OAB (where I was asked to play sub)...
Depends on the placement of the gaols really.
If they're close enough, you spatter, if not, no spatter. It doesn't really make a big difference for the tactics of the fight at least.
thorn thorn
@humble verge Send help
solemn echo
I hate healing brew players for a reason
humble verge
<@191982482642436097> Send help
just dont use brew
lol
also why is there an aug in there
thorn thorn
I hate healing brew players for a reason
There was like a solid 20 second time frame in this key i was just spamming riptide and healing surge on tank
pure moth
i'll drop group if they find a monk tank.. or dk. depending on the player... impossible
molten willow
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
solemn echo
There was like a solid 20 second time frame in this key i was just spamming ript...
Rip your entire mana bar xd
royal lantern
There was like a solid 20 second time frame in this key i was just spamming ript...
ngl, he sucks hard balls then lol
thorn thorn
Oh trust me im aware
coral ibex
hey guys for the 2nd boss in priory do you have to pre cloak to soak multiple times or do you cloak off the stacks after soaking
solemn echo
Cloak after
Cloak doesn't prevent dot application
Same with cinderbrew dot
(first boss)
You can however pre evasion the mug
shy axle
so use cloak -> in out in out in out 3 or 5x ?
do i need to wait between the ins ? or just asap
humble verge
jesus, the effort people go through to boost hc
main bridge
that is insane
haughty flicker
i hope they bring his 639 priest
main bridge
are they even employed
fast phoenix
solemn echo
I haven't even caught my 2nd toon up to 680 yet 
hidden bay
jesus, the effort people go through to boost hc <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
gotta get that 80k cut for 1 - 1 1/2 hours time
humble verge
gotta get that 80k cut for 1 - 1 1/2 hours time
real
spiral escarp
Heya. Is the delve belt coming 11.1.7 or is it already out there?
main bridge
11.7, it is not out yet
balmy condor
This Tuesday
spiral escarp
11.7, it is not out yet
thanks!
scarlet orbit
jesus, the effort people go through to boost hc <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Wait till you see chars who boosts last 2 boss on hc 24/7 the whole saison
strange tundra
waxen oyster
solemn echo
That's possible?