assassination

[waxen oyster]

keefers skyreach

go brrr

[subtle tundra]

i had to buy boost for 1.8k

[normal mist]

2s with an healer?

[hollow river]

[waxen oyster]

i literally just

forced trinket every cd

first sweep

killed 2nd

like 90% of games

i also killed an rsham warrior team through SLT though

by spinning on them both

[normal mist]

SPIN TO WIN

[runic hinge]

I got 2300 as spriest last season but only 1900 as rogue xd

[waxen oyster]

he linked and i just tab targeted his warrior

and dumped the proc i just got on him

[runic hinge]

although i got 2100 in shuffle as rogue and only 1800 as spriest

[waxen oyster]

idk i hate how modern monk plays

so i get annoyed playing it after a lil

[normal mist]

You know why i stopped pvping?

[waxen oyster]

I will say it was insanely comical queueing into bad rogue mage teams

and just instant self ropping when they sapped healer

bro had no idea how to play after

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor show vault

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-want-peace-calvin-payne-house-of-payne-a-little-discipline-s8e18-gif-24150138

[waxen oyster]

idk fuck sl though

conq banner retwar

zug zug

[urban saddle]

why is subterfuge not taken anymore? i thought you want to use garrote and rupture on as many targets as possible

is it because of the tank chain pulls

[golden loom]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[urban saddle]

ok ty

[normal mist]

Where did you see that information, archon or some shit?

[urban saddle]

no I just guessed idk

I came back to rogue after not playing 1 season

[normal mist]

You "guessed" we don't use subterfuge out of the blue?

Nontheless, subterfuge is still a really good choice.

[hidden bay]

removing it rn from bleed build

😡

[worn geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[worn geyser]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[worn geyser]

maybe this is a dumb question, but for shiv usage on the last 7 seconds of KB, the last hit of KB is at the very end right, so you would always prefer to be 'late' on the shiv right, like you can use at .999 seconds before kb(since it lasts 8 seconds) but never 1.0001 seconds before kb cast?

[waxen oyster]

So uhh, i guess you can feint the venn diagram circles with the tanks?

on gally

since they happen so often doubt anything else covers that many

[worn geyser]

my guild just stacks them on front soaks like

[red schooner]

I looked up shindigs pov for it and yeah, he's just feinting it

No elusiveness either

[waxen oyster]

Yeah our healer ones have the healer with them on each side then tanks+yellow

in the overlap of the two

[red schooner]

I'm starting gally prog tomorrow so I need to get ready

[waxen oyster]

looks easier than mugzee

honestly

[red schooner]

Yeah, doesn't look too bad and it looks like the hard bit is at the start

So, get through that, we're chilling

[waxen oyster]

Well most guides were made before turbo gear

so adds just evaporate now

most likely

[red schooner]

Yeah, I'm not expecting to get much spatter pad

Rupture snipe targets at least

I just need to pray I'm not on soothe duty

[scarlet orbit]

If your raid doesnt have alot of dmg greedy guys who plays blazes right its pretty chill.
Blazes where by far the biggest problem for us

[red schooner]

Which one is the blazes again?

[worn geyser]

red beams that knock people

[marsh ferry]

I thought KB caps out pretty fast these days

[red schooner]

Yeah I've fully accepted that it'll be carnage on them

[waxen oyster]

fyrak lines

so much fun they recycled the mechanic

twice in 2 tiers

[red schooner]

On the plus side our roster now has some bench depth so if someone goes full chaos mode all of the time we can swap

[worn geyser]

tbh idk

the problem my guild has is people just shuffling around all the time with the blazes

most people move far but then they knock the other blaze people

cause theyre fidgeting

[waxen oyster]

play dracthyr

obvs

[red schooner]

The flame circles don't do too much damage so I think it's just a case of it's better to pop a small defensive than it is to move and catapult someone into the shadow realm

[waxen oyster]

3m without feint

[worn geyser]

i mean u can just eat them no defensive

[waxen oyster]

so yeah

[red schooner]

We're getting 15% buff tomorrow so we just need to...not care about minmaxxing damage and it'll be fine

Just chill, hit buttons, do mechanics and vibe

[scarlet orbit]

If you guys can do that the boss will die pretty quick. Dmg greeding and not playing the mechanics right even if they are "easy" is by far the thing which costs pull on that boss

[red schooner]

I want to believe. (Though we're only now hitting gally, if we were capable of playing well we'd have been done with the tier already )

It's gonna be a fuckin' bloodbath

[worn geyser]

ttk overlap is just a qol thing right, by overlap it doesnt mean you get 2x buff while 2 envenoms are up?

[waxen oyster]

you get more dashing

pre sure

[spice surge]

No, when you have 2 stacks you get twice the benefit

So +60% chance to proc poisons, +10% crit to poisons with dashing and 10%+10% more damage to envenoms from rapid injection

[worn geyser]

interesting i prolly shoulda asked that question sooner, ig it doesnt change much rotationally for me(edit: nvm should tighten my envenom uses i think then and get more dam) but understanding that is good thank u

[balmy condor]

We don’t play around envenom’s uptime at all

If that helps

Envenom is just a filler you push when you get to 5 cp

[candid hull]

!build

frick

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[worn geyser]

i see, i think mine have been more spaced out cause i figured i just had envenom buff up gg, dont gotta rush my next mutilates so i could like wait and have a easier time evaluating refresh of dots and not get owned by committing my energy to a 2nd envenom incorrectly

obv in cds of excess energy im spamming cause i need to expend energy but i mean more so in those maintenance time frames

is there an easy way to see your uptime on 2x envenom overlap separately from just the normal envenom buff ? edit: nvm i got it

[fallow canopy]

rep still krangled?

[haughty flicker]

apparently fixed

any bosses you killed already wont give rep though

[fallow canopy]

i see ty

[versed leaf]

is there a place here where i can find info on eng bracers? is it worth doing?

[waxen oyster]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[candid hull]

@normal mist personal goal achieved ❤️

[raw marlin]

@worthy rose these OG convos haha, me being a little noob teenager having no idea and picking rogue because of the cool bandit mask lol

[normal mist]

Let's fucking go my dude!!!

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

@hidden bay

[hidden bay]

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

take Eye for next tier, or?

[balmy condor]

yah

[hidden bay]

@inland dirge

statement??????

[worthy rose]

Core memories that can never be replicated again

[viscid spear]

MFers will main a Rogue instead of attending therapy

[onyx linden]

Is rep fixed yet

[oblique sorrel]

What’s needed for 3300

[haughty flicker]

a few keys

[oblique sorrel]

15s and 4 16s?

[hidden bay]

dead

[coral ibex]

yes

[tacit hedge]

For mythic OAB assume we just focus the boss at all times and apply rupture on the reel assistants?

[balmy condor]

yeah you just snipe the reel assistants for the energy

[royal lantern]

how can we snipe without guns

are we hunters now

[balmy condor]

yes

spec outlaw for gun

[haughty flicker]

bone spike is a projectile

ez sniping

[royal lantern]

outlaw is a hunter spec?

[viscid spear]

Picked up a socketed belt in vault, need to recraft my current belt to a bracer

[wind topaz]

hey, new to assa rogue, doing some 10/12 with bleed build, and in pure ST I'm very often waiting 2 or 3 GCD not pressing anything because all bleeds are on target and if I press I cancel sanguine blades, is that normal or I'm doing something wrong?

[viscid spear]

It also rolled Leech

[balmy condor]

that's the spec

but also that sounds like you're overdoing sanguine blades

it's literally like last priority

[wind topaz]

I always wait 200 energy to press mutilate maybe that's overkill

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's insanely overkill lmao

[main bridge]

you know the delve belt comes out next week right?

[wind topaz]

well sanguine blades only ticks when i'm at 150+ energy no?

[balmy condor]

correct

[main bridge]

yeah right now it does but it will be buffed obviously

[coral ibex]

you should only be pooling to 150 if you dont need to be building cp for a rupture or a CT or to consume DN

[wind topaz]

so why is it overkill to wait 180/190 energy to press mutilate, if I don't wait that I'll cancel sanguine blade no?

[coral ibex]

because its better to pool with CP than pool before CP

[balmy condor]

did you actually look at this

[royal lantern]

you only care about sanguie blades on ST if:

Rupture doesnt need to be re-applied

CT doesnt need to be re-applied

Garrote doesnt need to be re-applied

you have 5+ cp

and its a minmax thing

[coral ibex]

building combo points is higher priority than pooling for sanguine

[royal lantern]

can also like, just ignore it and slam envenom

[balmy condor]

sanguine blades doesn't automatically mean >150 energy is BiS always

[wind topaz]

ok gotcha

[balmy condor]

it's just when nothing else is happening there's a bit of extra damage you can squeeze out

but it's like 0.3% at best

[wind topaz]

that what I was missing, so if I don't have 5+ CP I don't pool

[coral ibex]

it just means if you have literally nothing else to upkeep, being above 150 energy is more damage

[royal lantern]

they will buff it

[balmy condor]

practically you should ignore sanguine blades entirely tbh

[wind topaz]

haha ok

[coral ibex]

this is the key part people dont get about sanguine

[balmy condor]

pooling around sanguine incorrectly is going to lose you way more damage than it's going to gain if you played it perfectly

[royal lantern]

ye

just envenom

[coral ibex]

you can also just get lucky and have more seal fate and blindside procs

and do more damage by hitting buttons

[wind topaz]

thx for the noob explanation 😄 I did look at the prio order but just ignored this "build CP" prio above sanguine idk why

[royal lantern]

its really more of a AoE talent

with a very minor gain in ST if you play around it GOOD

[coral ibex]

yea its really just free damage when you have perma-300 energy in aoe

[wind topaz]

yeah I was treating it like it's my 4th bleed

[royal lantern]

but like, not worth it if you make small mistakes and just end up with less ability casts with no real gain

[candid hull]

@normal mist @keen spruce Thanks guys 🥹

[haughty flicker]

np

[wind topaz]

and in pure ST Mutilate > clear the witness? so I basically never fan of knives in ST unless I miss only 1 CP to darkest night?

[royal lantern]

!FoK

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[royal lantern]

aka in raids you ignore it

in m+ you can do it with LD up

[runic hinge]

Np

[wind topaz]

makes sense, thx!

[worthy rose]

i gotta say

the rogues discord is still the nicest class discord of the ones ive been in

swear ive learned more about how to DK on the rogues discord than i have on the dk discord

not tomention also learning how to rogue on the rogues discrod

[haughty flicker]

rogue discord sucks

made me start playing maplestory

[worthy rose]

fuck yeah

got a best in slot weapon for my dk on vault today

gem socket again on rogue but thats fine

ring on priest

apparently we have puzzling cartel chips catchup mechanic somehow

anyone have any info?

from what i read the blue post just says the quest is repeatable now

does that mean we have to do 16 dungeons???

[main bridge]

yeah it's on wowhead but basically there is no timegate now and you can keep doing LFR bosses

[worthy rose]

oh

lfr bosses are repeatable?

[main bridge]

yes

[worthy rose]

i can kill gally 16 times?

based

[main bridge]

yeah it owns

[gritty laurel]

i tried playing DK this patch to pass the time and nearly died of boredom

thank god poe1 gets a new league on friday

[worthy rose]

everyone i talk to

stops playing dk coz its too boring

yet im prob the minority that went to play it

coz it need sno brain cells

one button rotation almost

its almost brilliant

[viscid spear]

[dense grove]

took my time to read my talents and abilities and my monkey brain finally understood

honestly, skill issue

[winged sun]

udk in the dumpster

sin op?!

sin feels nice with full bis gear

[dense grove]

https://tenor.com/LgPu.gif

[midnight mist]

outlaw > sin

[winged sun]

my balls > outlaw

[midnight mist]

wtf

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[velvet wraith]

the shiv/thistle tea macro on the wowhead guide doesnt work is there a different one

[sage basin]

Are you sure it's on your bar

[winged sun]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[winged sun]

this is the one

cuh

put it in ur macro

then

in ur bars

then

/reload ui

[haughty flicker]

make sure you dont have any of the old thistle tea item in your bags or bank

that will break the macro

[worthy rose]

anything feels nic ewith bis gear

[balmy condor]

what's bis gear for harunie's mom

[dense grove]

should I be running siren isle ring for now?

I never rly looked into it lol

[worthy rose]

if you do not have a heroic or mythic jastor diamond and crafted 681 ring

you will be using the circe cyrclet

[balmy condor]

yeh with those alternatives you definitely should

[worthy rose]

but again

sim it just incase

[balmy condor]

but at this point just craft idk

[dense grove]

im broke

26k in my bag

[worthy rose]

ring is probably one of the cheapest crafts

just buy a wow token

250k right there

or something

[spice surge]

Crests be rough though

[worthy rose]

its nto so bad if you have a good group to run with

i shit u not i forced me and my friends to run floodgate at least 17 times

to get my heroic seaforium on dk

and i did the smae shit 15 times on rogue

LOL

then i got mythic seaforium the week after in vault and everyone lost thier minds

[winged sun]

do i swap to maghar orc for r1 all stars

[worthy rose]

imagine changing race for the meta

orcs be ugly as shit

do a blood elf

be a fashionista

just think

what would valeera do

[winged sun]

💀 im alreadey a nightelf it cant be more scuffed than that

[polar rampart]

bro, stuck at 2499 raid rep, great game

[worthy rose]

shed stab a bitch or two thats what valeera would do

dont u get shadowmeld

human is aparnetly the best alliance race for rogue

[ashen totem]

new void elf racial, very op for the bot gauntlet skip in mechagon

trust

[worthy rose]

you see

if i see a void elf cheating in taht gauntlet

i just leap of faith them through a robot

make them do it again

[winged sun]

wait does it actually work there

[ashen totem]

yeah

[worthy rose]

yeah it does

[winged sun]

wtf

like

easily?

[worthy rose]

easily enough

[ashen totem]

omega easy

[winged sun]

u mean the bridge skip

[worthy rose]

not nearly as good as shadow step though

[winged sun]

or wdym

[worthy rose]

the robots

that spot you and teleport you back to the start

that hallway

[winged sun]

ah

thats useless as fuck

i wanted bridge skip

[worthy rose]

nowhere near s good as shadow step tho

[winged sun]

the high key thing

[dense grove]

mechagnomes and gnomes it's where its at

[worthy rose]

that rogues alreayd have

[wise plover]

ye you can bridge skip with it too tho @winged sun

[winged sun]

u sure?

[wise plover]

ye

[worthy rose]

cant you just shroud bridge skip

youre talking the last platform right

[wise plover]

im voidelf for raid

[winged sun]

harunie its high key stuff

[ashen totem]

thats not what he means, noobs

[worthy rose]

oh

[winged sun]

i think u dont know

unless u see it

cuz

[worthy rose]

prob not

[winged sun]

its something of an exploit

for high keyers

[ashen totem]

was gonna try today but forgot

but ill let u know

[winged sun]

ye lmk ig

[ashen totem]

our dk died to 1st squirrel so i was too tilted to remember

[runic hinge]

You skip the peace keeper mini boss after first boss before gauntlet by jumping up and across bridge railing as last bot dies from the pull before

Hope that makes sense

[worthy rose]

hmm

mechagon right

[runic hinge]

Yeah

[worthy rose]

does it have to be void elf?

[runic hinge]

So you get the mini boss who turns and does pizza slices but you skip

[worthy rose]

oooooh

interesting

[runic hinge]

Nah you can just jump up the side of a building and go across bridge early

[ashen totem]

after 1st boss, after bot packs, there is a bridge that is close and you can jump on the railing

[worthy rose]

apparently this can happen

[ashen totem]

yeah just dont fall is generally good advice

when doing it

[worthy rose]

i ned to try this

[hidden bay]

Expected it from everyone but not you

[inland dirge]

yeah truly a surprise with the color of my name, the no dust thing, etc

who could’ve seen it coming

[haughty flicker]

its always the ones you most expect

i cant believe this

[inland dirge]

trust no one, not even yourself

[ripe umbra]

Guys, do I benefit more from monks Mystic touch or DH's Chaos brand? I am confused because dmg is mostly nature...

[runic hinge]

In raid? Probably dh

You can sim the buffs tho

[uneven plume]

Darkflame is unplayable atm

dont do it if its io for you

first boss lags you out'

[worthy rose]

is it server issue atm or something

[ripe umbra]

true, ty

[hidden bay]

Beta test some more stuff for the real servers

[onyx nymph]

whats a good haste % for the bleed build

[haughty flicker]

14.37

[hidden bay]

15.25

[sacred schooner]

lol

49.5

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[candid ocean]

how much are yall simming for?

[violet raven]

my sims always say to go EV, but top parsers running VR. is that normal?

ilvl thing?

[waxen oyster]

2.6

[runic hinge]

69% haste

[worn geyser]

ev bug check pin

[violet raven]

thank you

[waxen oyster]

vr more fun anyway

[raw marlin]

literally never, I even have these memories from Shadowlands due to covid etc and everyone being on, playing, gaming.. it kind fo brought back that school kid feeling where the world was new/everyone was on

imma get teary lol

[worthy rose]

haha

those were good memories

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/don't-you-remember-pop-son-of-a-critch-do-you-not-recall-have-you-forgotten-gif-18305164243837302419

[worthy rose]

these days i just spend my time pushing keys with friends

or griefing said friends when we do lower keys

im a dk? ok watch me never use death grip

or use abom limb at the worst times

[waxen oyster]

grip motherlode mines

on top of your ranged

[worthy rose]

nah my friend playing hunter bursting shots them into me

before i can troll anyone else

grief before you get griefed he says

its every griefer for themselves

[raw marlin]

yh its fun but it isnt the same, i remember trying to find a group for hogger and then spending 4 hours talking to a hunter and a rogue in the cellar of the inn because we couldnt find a tank.. or sitting by the lake near ironforge for like 8 hours after my friend ran all the way as we started as different races and wanted to meet.. oh my, i miss those days ha

[waxen oyster]

does a mine even kill a dk

[worthy rose]

crazy we still ++2 12's when we grief like that

it does when im ilvl 640

LOL

probably not anymore now that im close to 670

[worthy rose]

oh for sure

[waxen oyster]

like i see dks take boss melees

and act like its nothing

[worthy rose]

LOL

YEP

i can survive that shit now

shit that would have 100% deleted me or oneshot me as a rogue

i just tank it to the face

and deathstrike it back up

or i just make a healer heal me up after it

[waxen oyster]

i learned week 3

[worthy rose]

dk is unga bunga

[waxen oyster]

that vexie got hands

not the tank she drives

her actual goblin ones

[worthy rose]

what does she do with her hands

[waxen oyster]

dk is also 2 buttons during cds

[haughty flicker]

she beats the shit out of you

[worthy rose]

dk is literally

pop abom

vamp strike

one button rotaiton

unga bunga

[waxen oyster]

you turn timmy into big chungus

[worthy rose]

spam some death coils or some epidemics when necessary

[waxen oyster]

and spam vamp yes

[worthy rose]

unga bunga

big chungus

or if youre in raid

you summon a mega chungus

[waxen oyster]

isnt coil just your rp dump

[worthy rose]

apparently empowered death coil is rpiority on single target

for whatever reason

i wasnt explained it very well in the dk discord

i swear i fkn learnt more on this discord about dk'ing than i did on the dk discord

[waxen oyster]

wtf is mega chungus

[worthy rose]

they dont really do "teach me like a dummy" type breakdowns there

[worthy rose]

the pudge

i never see people use it in mythics so its definitely a raid only thing

[waxen oyster]

doesnt dark transformation make it the pudge

[worthy rose]

isnt it a summon pudge ability

im not sure

[waxen oyster]

transformation turns timmy

[haughty flicker]

theres one that replaces army with big boi

[waxen oyster]

into the freaky thing

[haughty flicker]

omega chungus

[fresh kelp]

entire raid server froze during stix for 5 seconds and we come back in to 3 bombshells exploding

[waxen oyster]

so a regular abom?

[haughty flicker]

probably

whatever the pvp talent used to be

that would just walk around and not actually catch anyone because it was slow as shit

[worthy rose]

its this one further down in the tree

[waxen oyster]

oh the thing that meleed for a million

[worthy rose]

dark transformation turns it into an abom

its the purple timmy chungus

the raise abom is a pudge

[waxen oyster]

ik blizz liked their bfa azerite so much

they made it a baseline talent

to summon dead magus

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor how’s net

[worthy rose]

can someone here who plays unholy

teach me how to unholy like a dummy

[cerulean walrus]

Envenom

[waxen oyster]

they change the unholy pet shit so often

[worthy rose]

you mean vamp strike

[waxen oyster]

sometimes its a gargoyle

sometimes its a valkyr

[worthy rose]

unfortunately i dont have any logs to show

to recap

coz my firend doesnt log my troll runs on dk

[haughty flicker]

man

shadowlands almost made summon gargoyle baseline

that wouldve went so hard

[worthy rose]

all i knwo is

in raid

i summon my chungus

and my mega chungus

then my fatty chungus

and im chilling

bing chilling

[haughty flicker]

sounds like you have it down

[worthy rose]

i think i got it down enough to teh point in doing pretty average parses

or good parses

i just need hte gear to follow up now

upgrading from a veterean kezan to a heroic seaforium had a mad increase in dps

[cerulean walrus]

Idk surely you’re better than my old guild’s GM

Because just about anyone playing Unholy is

[worthy rose]

realtalk tho

some players are just

it makes you wonder how they even maxxed

and not know the class

theres like fundamentals you still know even if you dont know the entire class

[gentle belfry]

Me after powerlvling Arcane mage

[balmy condor]

perfect until I start streaming

[hidden bay]

Today is fine

Believe in it

[worthy rose]

i dont know what it is with arcane mages

but the majority of them ive seen all do tank damage

fotm spec shenanigans

[gentle belfry]

it honestly breaks my brain, outlaw feeling apm with so many conditions

[inland dirge]

the absolute third-world state of internet in... checks notes Northern California?

let's call the service dude out and [REDACTED]

[gentle belfry]

Im simming myth seaforium/signet for M+/raid and Im realizing seaforium pulls ahead in raid and falls just short of signet in M+, so by that logic Im assuming getting a myth seaforium first would be the move? What Im wondering is if sims account at all for others having signet as well, and that it has more value than would be evident in a sim

[hidden bay]

I don’t see you online

Makes me sad

[spice surge]

The "other people!" bit of signet is practically worthless, the number is just too low

[worthy rose]

are you raiding @gentle belfry

whats the chances of you getting a mythic house of cards or mythic kezan

[gentle belfry]

I will be yeah

[worthy rose]

if you are raiding

mythic kezan is actually better

than seaforium

[gentle belfry]

very unlikely sooner than Id have another 3 cartel chips

[worthy rose]

seaforium is beter for mythic dungeons

then you will want to get a mythic seafoirum and mythic signet anyway

both of them

doesnt matter which order

youll need both

i would prioritize the passive trinket over the on use trinket tho

[gentle belfry]

thats valid, I just wasnt sure if signet had more value than a sim could account for

[worthy rose]

theyr both core parts of the end game rogue loadout

so youd need both regardless

yea

unless you can get a mythic kezan or house of cards

kezan is basically a raid onyl type trinket coz you have to keep fatty cahinpulling to keep it active

hoc and signet for assassination are for all intents and purposes the same thing

[gentle belfry]

I gotcha seaforium it is for now, tysm brotha

[worthy rose]

npnp

[humble verge]

is there anyone here whos actually in a top 100

🤨

[worthy rose]

i wish there was a guy like me to tell guys like me what to do in the DK discord

like what i just did

[gentle belfry]

so many classcords just dont got it bro, braindead

[worthy rose]

top 100?

[worthy rose]

i can top u 100 times

i mean what

[humble verge]

top 100 cockeaters

what

[humble verge]

depends

😏

[gentle belfry]

top 100 rope shooters?

[humble verge]

ok lil bro

cant say gay in pride month

thats pretty gay

[worthy rose]

this ugandan interview tho

piece of internet history

"y r u geh"

"who says im geh?"

"u r geh"

[humble verge]

im not that out of culture

[worthy rose]

pretty sure all millenials recognize that meme

dont know about gen z and alphas

its before their time

[humble verge]

dawg

i am genz

😭

[worthy rose]

dawg

ur an impasta

[humble verge]

also

this shit didnt become that famous

till like

early 2010s

the TV interview is literally from like 2012

[worthy rose]

2012 was around the rise of youtube too

i remember trying to watch scuffed animes on youtube

or the other video places

part 1 part 2

and then missing part 3

and losign my damn mind

[humble verge]

man

i remember the OG naruto site

[worthy rose]

kissanime and gogoanime didnt exist back then

[humble verge]

man that shit was lit

back in 2013

[worthy rose]

man im showing my age

💀

[humble verge]

old head ahh 🥀

[worthy rose]

i can only conclude

ur either an old ass gen z

or a very young millenial

in the crossover years

like somewhere from 95-97

[humble verge]

im pleyin meinkraft

damn

its only been 5h

[worthy rose]

make stormwind in minecraft

i dare u

[humble verge]

honestly

ive been thinking about making stormwind keep*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EARYB4RuB5Q&t=2759s i finished this earlier today

in a discord SMP

[worthy rose]

you know whats funny tho

in every wow city

basically 95% of it goes unused

imagine being a blizzard dev and being the city planner

and then seeing the playerbase only use 5% of the city you amde

pretty sadge

like in dornogal

outside of the area in front of thebank and the pvp area

what else is there even

[humble verge]

idk

i usually go around exploring

ive even been into that big ass building

[haughty flicker]

find the best place to do laps

there is a big ass stairway/ramp

that seemingly has no purpose

[humble verge]

nah

oh wait

thats the one i was talking about i think

its in the big building

[haughty flicker]

also some random robot guarding a club

that i never bothered looking up how to get in

he boots you out if you run past

[humble verge]

lol

theres a quest

to it i think

[errant heath]

On Mythic Mugs can you rupture the shielded add to get energy?

[balmy condor]

yep

[humble verge]

yes

i usually rup the soak add

and pre-intermission add closest to mug

[hidden bay]

I rupture everything and lose uptime
On boss

[humble verge]

idk

[hidden bay]

But it looks good in logs

[errant heath]

So before the shield is removed i can just rupture and get back on boss.. that's huge i wasnt doing that

[balmy condor]

massive yeah +59% dps

[worthy rose]

mouseover macro

zeross's mouseover rupture macro changed my life

[humble verge]

we do love gaming

[worthy rose]

@balmy condor do you or have you eve rplayed a dk

[balmy condor]

no

[pliant remnant]

@balmy condor why have you never played a dk

[humble verge]

whispyr is doing the quick answers today

[pliant remnant]

quick, guys, whispyr is here

get in all your burning questions while you still can

[humble verge]

how does the birds and the bees work

[humble verge]

also no im born in 01

jesus

i forgot we trialed a bunch of new ranged

[autumn idol]

hate versatility

[worthy rose]

was hoping to get a crash course in dk'ing

sadge

[humble verge]

oh darn

friday the 13th

[violet raven]

you lot saving anything special for adds on rik? i'm saving a shiv charge for them but no other cds

[feral pelican]

ANYONE KNOW WHY WHEN I SET WITHERING FLAMES ON oNE ARMED BANDIT TO ALERT WHEN ONLY I GET IT... why its spamming me even tho i dont have it

sry for the caps

[haughty flicker]

i think my guild may never get past the first bombs after mugzee intermission

we just pop everything and die immediately every time

[coral ibex]

nobody soaking?

[haughty flicker]

combination of that and people just letting mines fall on them

[humble verge]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[humble verge]

its been a long time since i did this one

and this late into the tier

[worthy rose]

if you as an assassination rogue has to switch to barrels

your team fked up

blame your team

not youself

its always your teams fault

in fact if you wipe

[violet raven]

lol is that really a thing or did you just build that

[worthy rose]

its the tanks fault

[worn geyser]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[violet raven]

awesome lol

but I wasn't swapping, I meant on rik

i was holding a charge of shiv for the extra dmg

i haven't tried sub, outlaw was too frenetic for my hands

[worn geyser]

tbh if ur looking to damage max looking at lorrgs can help

to get an idea of what top rogue parses cd usage looks like

[violet raven]

yeah we got him down, I was looking at wclogs about it

[wraith girder]

Any chance you can share that macro with us? I'm interested.

[worthy rose]

it was a macro from zeross

#showtooltip rupture
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead] rupture

[rotund oak]

isnt that like the best ratio ranged vs melee

[worthy rose]

@wraith girder

[rotund oak]

even with 1 melee less

[keen spruce]

You can also use the same format to make a mouseover garrote and kick and kidney etc etc

very handy

[worthy rose]

mouseover garrotte is too minmaxy and nerdge

kick is good tho

kidney too

especially good for pvp if you do any of that

apparently according to reddit wow pvp is down 90% from this time last season

[runic hinge]

That was the dumbest post I’ve read

The dude took the stats from 1 am. There was -327 spriest games.

Not saying it’s not down but that post was dumb as hell

[ocean shell]

Hey guys, I'm struggling with assa and wanted to gain some insight about pooling and CD usage. When we have both deathmark and kingsbane up, is it similar to sub in that we want to fill every gcd with a damage button of some sort? Do we keep doing that after kingsbane runs out? I read the wowhead page and it seems to suggest pooling before kingsbane windows, but I don't really understand how thistle tea and the remainder of the cds are supposed to be managed as assa

[sacred schooner]

you need 150 energy before using kb

ignore tea, just bind it to shiv

[ocean shell]

Is there any energy I want to be sitting at when my cds aren't up?

Like should I aim to maximize Envenom uptime or what am I playing for when KB isn't up?

[golden loom]

Nah keep spamming

[runic hinge]

Nothing. Just keep bleeds up and spam away

[red schooner]

Nah, you're overthinking it massively

We just hit buttons

[runic hinge]

This spec in ST is hella easy

[red schooner]

Even the pooling to 150 before kingsbane is like, 0.3% gain or something like that?

Just hit buttons and you're chilling

[runic hinge]

It’s very minimal gain

[red schooner]

We're gonna run out of energy but just use that time to get a drink or something, stretch your legs

[runic hinge]

Yap in discord

[red schooner]

Post cats to the cat thread

[ocean shell]

wait, so it's normal to be basically energy starved like 40 secs into the fight?

[red schooner]

Yeah

[ocean shell]

o.O

[red schooner]

There's no playing around it or gain to pooling outside of the 150 before kingsbane

You can rupture snipe if there's adds which helps somewhat but yeah, just how the spec is

[ocean shell]

Right. Also, why is it we're aiming to have 150 before kingsbane?

do we need to fill every KB GCD with a button or is just keeping envenom up for the whole duration good enough more or less?

[golden loom]

Keep envenom buff up and autoattack and ur maximizing kingsbane

[ocean shell]

So basically run out of energy asap, keep uptime when you have KB ticking more or less?

[balmy condor]

150 energy before kingsbane is to guarantee you have 2 stacks of envenom buff towards the start

Cause you always go envenom -> cooldowns

Then you have the 150 energy for the second envenom

And then it doesn’t matter after that

[hearty seal]

hmmm
got the tenure ring in the vault
gotta sim it, maybe I'll actually replace Circe's

[keen spruce]

well I used @mouseover, exists, harm, nodead or something like that

so it's still just one keybind

if you MO it casts on your MO target

if you don't it's just normal

so you don't clutter up your shit

[still stirrup]

On that note, my caustic application seems to be on a MO, its very weird, could just be a WA/UI bug. Like if I mut on target, but my mouse is on a different one, it switches the caustic. No I don't have mut on MO

[waxen oyster]

What if I have my mouse over a different target by accident

[waxen oyster]

caustic applies when you mutilate a target with rupture on it

[still stirrup]

Lemme reword it

I know what it dos

In a pack, lets say there are 3 mobs all have rupture on. I have 1 targetted. If my mouse is hovering a different target (not changing target), and I mut again, the caustic goes on the MO target

On WA and plater the caustic swaps

[waxen oyster]

that doesnt happen

unless you mutilated that target

[still stirrup]

I know it shouldn't

Hence why I think its some WA/UI bug

Just curious if it's happened to anyone else

Using atrocity UI for reference

[burnt juniper]

18 cinder wiping on trash before 3rd boss

bruh i'm dead

[keen spruce]

hold your mouse buttons down so no cursor

[waxen oyster]

i should probably have one of those macros

[waxen oyster]

wdym

[keen spruce]

if u hold right click

to move your camera around

your cursor goes away

so you can't mouseover anything

[waxen oyster]

what is the full macro anyway

i should probably use one instead of extras

[keen spruce]

idk man i don't even have battlenet installed

[waxen oyster]

based

[keen spruce]

i think it's
#showtooltip rupture
/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm, nodead] rupture

I don't think you even need the harm or nodead part

tbh

[main bridge]

that macro won't make it work if you have a target but no mouseover target, which might not be desired

[keen spruce]

there might be another part to it

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

there's probably another part to it

idk man

[runic hinge]

tomorrow clubs

[keen spruce]

wait are my macros saved locally

can i find them just like

on my pc

#showtooltip rupture
/cast [@mouseover, exists] rupture ; rupture

maybe this

that looks more right

[main bridge]

i changed it to work with a target as well. i don't have the game open to confirm, but IIRC it looked like this

#showtooltip rupture
/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm, nodead][@target] rupture

[keen spruce]

either way the technology exists and is very handy

[balmy condor]

you could just

[]

instead of [@target]

but yeah

sure

[half igloo]

!trinket

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[half igloo]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant hinge]

Circe ring still BIS even though it SIMS -30kish at least for me? I see everyone still wearing it

[balmy condor]

no

it loses to jastor+crafted ring for most people

[red schooner]

Disregard bis, trust in the robot

[distant hinge]

OK cool i still see alot of people wearing it so mayeb they jsut havent been able to replace, thanks!

[jade abyss]

When jastor is mythic track?

[red schooner]

It's one of those things where it varies character to character, but if the sim says to drop circlet then drop it

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor did you reclear? I fell asleep

[red schooner]

Hero for me

Hero jastor + myth track m+ ring beat circlet

I forget the name of the ring

[jade abyss]

You simming raid or for m+ ?

[red schooner]

Raid

[hearty seal]

finally dropped Circe for 85-yr Tenure 8/8
a 5k gain but also like 7k stam...which ain't much these days

[balmy condor]

heroic beats it

[jade abyss]

That would be the point

[balmy condor]

no

[hidden bay]

[stiff crow]

!FoK

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[distant hinge]

Ya for me it was football ring and Jastors -

[balmy condor]

mythic football is better than a crafted, so yah

makes sense

[subtle tundra]

football ring? RO 2 - 0 CYPRUS. COMPLETE CONTROL

STILL HOPEFUL

ROMANIA FOR WC 2026. 100% DELUSION

[royal lantern]

200% delusion

[distant hinge]

oh ya it says faded championship ring lol. And its soccer balls we kick on that boss that drops it. well i guess that is football also huh

[hearty seal]

footbomb, but ye

[austere olive]

so in m+ on rly big pulls do u basically just spend all your combo points on rupturing everything aside from using the important envenoms

[runic hinge]

No

You’re gonna garrote and rupture during ic but outside that you’re envenoming

[ocean shell]

isn't it just 6 prio target ruptured?

[runic hinge]

And making sure you keep CT Up

[austere olive]

oh ok wowhead guide read differently to me

and u can only get 2 garrotes off during IC right since we dont play improved garrote

[runic hinge]

Uhh

[ocean shell]

I think it also depends on what build you're playing

[runic hinge]

Why aren’t you playing improved garrote

[austere olive]

idk I just checked what people were playing in the highest keys and they arent running it

[runic hinge]

Yeah don’t run that build

[ocean shell]

you just run bleed until you get above 15 iirc

[austere olive]

ah

[runic hinge]

You aren’t doing the highest keys

[austere olive]

ok

[runic hinge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[royal lantern]

people do +19-20keys with it mate

[ocean shell]

Just to clarify something, if I am playing the bleed build, I should be trying to maximize the number of improved garrotes I get out after doing rupture on prio targets and getting caustic splatter going?

[runic hinge]

Yeah

[ocean shell]

is a lot of the rupture value coming from the agi buff and the energy gain when they die?

[runic hinge]

I mean I spread during ic cause it’s a good generator and I have iron wire

[ocean shell]

yea, I also started running iron wire, it feels nicer to have more utility and damage debuff than another charge of shiv

[runic hinge]

And sometimes ruptures will hit small stuff that dies quick so I’ll send out a few extra ruptures during ic as well

[austere olive]

ok so just open with ambush on prio target, garrote and rupture until IC runs out, then just fan of knives and envenom the prio target while maintaining CT and Caustic Splatter?

[ocean shell]

you want to get caustic out earlier than that. Wowhead guid tells you how to do the aoe opener, go check that out first

[runic hinge]

You want Ct up sooner as well

It’s not only garrote and rupture during ic

[austere olive]

oh ok was just looking at this I assumed the garrotes and rupters were just until IC ran out

[runic hinge]

Once you have bleeds up and your cds rolling you can think if you need more bleeds out or if you’re just gonna spam Envenom cause everything has them already

[little tulip]

two deaths just goofed a reclear of 14 mechagon, i think i might do that one on hybrid next time

there's not a lot of gonga trash except for that first pull

[sacred schooner]

mecha and rook good for hybrid yeah

[little tulip]

also vibing on theater of pain

[exotic hazel]

Potentially daft question, is Assa simming low? Asking because my 660ilvl DH is simming 2.26M DPS and my 662ilvl Assa is simming 1.99M DPS, both similar quality of gear.

Can link the sims if it helps

[little tulip]

sim d slice, check build

[exotic hazel]

Sorry should have specified, simming for raid

[little tulip]

most of the raid is done with the aoe build due to bikes/scrapmasters&hyenas etc probably best not to compare dh vs assa

also dh is eating the whole table this raid so idk

[orchid pewter]

My sin sims 200k lower compared to my sub

[little tulip]

just sim rogue for gear changes/upgrades and dun sweat it too much

[red schooner]

Sin sims lower, don't use sims to compare classes as that ain't what they're there for

You're gonna sim lower on sin, it be how it be

[little tulip]

29% crit hurts my soul lol

[exotic hazel]

Yeah like if I sim target dummy it says I should be getting 1.319M DPS, but that's lower than what I'm actually achieving by a large margin

Just wanted to check I wasn't crazy

Well, more crazy than usual 😂

[little tulip]

sim defaults to raid buffed

make sure you turn it off

no skyfury

[cinder steppe]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BtxKQ2Gg1Z9caR6r?fight=14&type=damage-done killed gally last night and finally got done with this tier, i think i did pretty good considering i was on the third bomb duty hahaha

Have any of you had to do a bomb on gally as rogue?

[little tulip]

only on heroic

or you mean the first one in the generator cause thats :[

[cinder steppe]

Nah i had to do the third, the one where the soaks come almost at the same time as the big frontal

Luckily i have been void elf since mugzee and i was leaving the racial tp on the platform before going for the sparks hahaha

[red schooner]

Target dummies arent a good metric for us, dummies will spend most of their time in execute range

So we get natural boosts due to that

[little tulip]

no idea what your talking about but watching the liquid kill

[cinder steppe]

The bombs on mythic are uncharged and you have to charge them with sparks left by the big frontal

Then after taking three you can deposit it on the platform to deactivate the coil

[little tulip]

yeah i saw that frontal

[drowsy geyser]

hey guys, kinda struggling with a vault choice, got a myth helm/myth trinket and i'm not sure 😄 Helmet is a bigger dps gain for me but im not sure if dps wise in a long run trinket wont be better choice. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q8UfCkt7ACXP7Nn2SyL1g4

Can anyone help me with my selection? 😄

[little tulip]

ye looks like no one was sweating damage checks from the log, that's pretty cool

[exotic hazel]

That's a good point, didn't think about that!

[little tulip]

our raid got owned by the job monster lol only had 3 nights on stix in the last 3 weeks

[cinder steppe]

Yup, we got a clean pull, some sketchy focus on adds but it was good : )

[final star]

@cinder steppedid you do lfr last night I swear I saw a rogue called adorogue in lfr I did

maybe it was similar

I wanted socket in vault so had to do it

vexie -> bandit -> mug'zee lfr

[surreal halo]

If it's pacemaker, definitely take that, as you'll likely never see that again.

[drowsy geyser]

Was thinking the same, thanks for helping with that 😄

[south drum]

House of cards enjoyers, are you sending on it CD (natty without CDs) or holding for next set of 2 mins?

[final star]

always with cd's

[cinder steppe]

Not me hahaha i just raided gally and we killed him before our 2h raid so went to sleep hahaha

[balmy condor]

Macro it to deathmark like you would a 2 min

[south drum]

Cheers, already got my trinket macroed in but my current is signet so I just wanted to be sure if this was the way

[rugged sinew]

Hi guys, just like person above I am struggling with vault choice. Got gloves and legs myth track but also got hero kezan, I am pushing myth raid with my guild and idk what to choose atm, thats my sim link any help will be appreciated. Will kezan make a lot of diff looking at my current trinkets or should i just get legs or maybe gloves (rolled speed on it xd)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cUbP66x4M2YFxxWiqgMT6h

[stiff quiver]

U want item for dung or raid? u got dungeon slice here i wouldnt pick kezan for raid rn cause bosses arent living that long anymore

[rugged sinew]

Im playing mostly dungs but we are pushing myth raid with guild also so i guess more flexible option

[stiff quiver]

myself i would go for the legs/gloves as kezan would be good for higher keys only ig where u chain pull-prolly wont happen that often with pug

and this is times of kills on myth bosses on my rogue so the only boss that takes longer is gally so i dont think kezan on hc is the way

[rugged sinew]

Alright, thanks :D

[south drum]

Your kill timers a quite high right now. I would do a patchwork sim for like 6 min to see if Kezan is worth it. Personally I would go for legs

[hollow sphinx]

Is it worth to change peacemaker for magnet for 0.7% dps? Or is it just waste of energy?

[balmy condor]

Gains are gains

[hollow sphinx]

If i have read right on the guide i have to do an envenom before sending the trinket ye?

[stiff quiver]

before sending cds?

if so yes as u want kingsbane to get stacks for which u need poison applies-buff from envenom go strong

[rotund oak]

because of the rarety and importance its trinket pov

easy choice tbh

[rotund oak]

2 days left

[royal lantern]

macro with DM, thats all

[hollow sphinx]

If i take the magnet ill have 2 on use with signet. Or should i put magnet to macro with deathmark too? Or do i just use magnet when i have 40 stacks with kingsbane?

[stiff quiver]

oh its magnet tech

idk tbh havent used it soz

[balmy condor]

Use it during lingering darkness

[subtle tundra]

with you the darkness doesnt linger

[hollow sphinx]

With max stacks? Or just in the darkness window?

[balmy condor]

Takes around 3 minutes to max stack so you just cast it during lingering to burn whatever stacks you have

[hollow sphinx]

Okey, thanks for the help 🙂

[balmy condor]

Np

[snow hamlet]

!tea

[rain coral]

hey any news when the addon purge is coming ?

[bronze pike]

Not any time soon

[rain coral]

ive seen jsut a video on youtube about it, saying that its going to be huge

stuff like details, bw lw and plater are going to be trimmed pretty well

[spice surge]

Next expansion at the earliest, but probably later than that

The idea is that blizzard will provide those things instead of addons

[red schooner]

I think moroes is dead

[rain coral]

alright i see

[red schooner]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[snow hamlet]

[tired yacht]

do we send Thistle Tea with both Shiv's in the Opener? most likely will overcap energy or is it still worth it for the mastery buff?

[scarlet orbit]

Still worth it. The easiest way is just to macro tea to shiv and dont really think about it

[subtle tundra]

good bot

[red schooner]

shit, is this my new role now?

[radiant yoke]

what sort of keys or comps would the raid spec be viable? like just caustic spatter, single rupture, kingsbane

is it just troll to use in m+ 12+

[spice surge]

!builds

[radiant yoke]

!builds

[spice surge]

Bot is dead, unlucky, play bleed

[red schooner]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[radiant yoke]

so rookery, prio damage

maybe also TOP?

[subtle tundra]

bot is very much alive

[red schooner]

I try and be helpful cos I'm too much of a dumbfuck to give good advice normally

I saw a gap and I filled it

[subtle tundra]

^ ai wrote that

[radiant yoke]

good info on the guide

[red schooner]

Miao

[subtle tundra]

chinese cat isnt real
Chinese cat:

[candid hull]

[foggy orbit]

quick question what spell id is rupture?

[nocturne quail]

1943 usually work for me

[candid snow]

im struggling with single target in m+, i simmed my hybrid build:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6YiR8nh2RrK68eBSuSorre

but in the dummy in dornogal i get around 1.3m, any pointers? i did read the wowhead guide

[red schooner]

The SIM has all raid buffs, you don't on the dummy

[candid snow]

OH okay i didnt notice that

[late parrot]

You can just sim target dummy but you need a log for any actual pointers

[candid snow]

i just ran the sim again, without raid buffs it shows 1.373m dps

so am i gucci ?

it just that i ran a few 14's/15's and got flamed for bad ST even though my overall was fine

thought id check if i was not doing too hot

[red schooner]

Welcome to sin in m+ outside of the FI build

[candid snow]

ahahahaa

from what i've read its not worth it to swap to FI if im just running 14/15's

so pugs will have to endure my 1.3m then

[red schooner]

Yeah, just stick with what you're doing, ignore the pugs

[candid snow]

nice, thanks for the help

[humble verge]

do you guys eat right after jim or go shower

[haughty flicker]

i prefer to avoid jim as best i can

never been a fan of that guy

[humble verge]

if this was Jim, what would you do

[ionic turret]

Just got Mechano-Core Amplifier and Improved Seaforium Pacemaker myth in vault, is Mechano core actually better?

[sharp viper]

you should look into putting sockets onto rings and neck and then put sockets in - as well as enchant all the other gear

[humble verge]

wait lol

[sharp viper]

[humble verge]

they removed the ability to delete messages

[red schooner]

Mechanocore is good but it's best to sim it to see what comes out better

[humble verge]

😭

[rocky zodiac]

Is Feint enough for myth Galli Double soak or do i need to Pop more defs?

[humble verge]

ja

wait double?

oh nvm

yeah it is

[spice surge]

Definitely takeable without anything, but feinting to be safe on progress is a good idea

[sharp viper]

are you on phone?

[rocky zodiac]

Nice ty for the quick response

[humble verge]

ja

[sharp viper]

that's probably why

[humble verge]

i can delete on phone on any other server,?

??

[sharp viper]

dunno if eleem can help you or if you have to summon koffing/whispyr