bleed build for vault keys. Everything else hybrid
#assassination
normal mist
but in low keys it doesnt matter
define low keys
normal mist
And where do you think the VAST majority of the playerbase is?
normal mist
you'd be delusional if you think casuals would be above 12/13
Where the last reward is (3k)
normal mist
A bad one but we take those
Players often forget that it isnt because they are doing 17s18s that the same applies to the rest of the playerbase. People doing keys above 3k are already way above average, and even there (up to 17s/18s) bleed works really well
vestal cliff
Got my first CE!!!
quiet oriole
I do 4M overall with the bleed build in 12s that's decent isn't it?
normal mist
Yes it is
fallow canopy
Got my first CE!!!
gratss
vestal cliff
thanks!!!!!
normal mist
I do 4M overall with the bleed build in 12s that's decent isn't it?
i played warrior this season, and i could never get 4M overall, as fury in 12/13s 😦
tho i was missing 12 ilvl basically for 684
quiet oriole
i played warrior this season, and i could never get 4M overall, as fury in 12/13...
Awe shit. That's not the normal btw that was a priory and we giga pulled . My ilvl is 670 
normal mist
Im 672 fury atm but since i got my 3k achievment i'm not playing a single extra key
fallow canopy
The RFWL guild I'm in did good tonight
Grats
broken sandal
any one mythic gally running AP? adds die so quickly hardly seems worth?
red schooner
<:LETSGO:885206429177356338> Grats
Thank you! We're doing okay this season.
red schooner
Best part, the mage who ragequit for a 'better' guild and shit-talked us, his guild still hasn't killed Mugzee
Get fuuuuuucked
red schooner
had to be a mage player
He got benched after doing 7 soaks on mugzee over 2 raid nights and fucking melted down 
fallow canopy
He got benched after doing 7 soaks on mugzee over 2 raid nights and fucking melt...
like popping the mines?
as a mage? how?
red schooner
like popping the mines?
the soaks after
red schooner
mage players
our other mage is chill other than putting oribos portals in annoying places
But he's at least chill
fallow canopy
our other mage is chill other than putting oribos portals in annoying places
thats just based
balmy condor
any one mythic gally running AP? adds die so quickly hardly seems worth?
Pretty sure everyone is running AP
Would be strange not to considering tiny toxic is marginally better or just flat out worse in pure st
broken sandal
ta
hardy prairie
do yall do anything to the adds on mythic gally or just funnel ?
wheat nest
What particular variables make a phase/fight better to dry shiv in?
broken sandal
do yall do anything to the adds on mythic gally or just funnel ?
good q? stay on boss?
hardy prairie
good q? stay on boss?
q?
broken sandal
question
hardy prairie
idk how to respond to that tbh
hardy prairie
What particular variables make a phase/fight better to dry shiv in?
when Darkest night and lingering darkness are both up i believe
heady drum
any one mythic gally running AP? adds die so quickly hardly seems worth?
personally never even bother switching off it anymore, only talent i change in the entire raid rn is spatter or not
wheat nest
when Darkest night and lingering darkness are both up i believe
Okay, so less a variable of the fight and more of a rotational one. I know some people just don't dry shiv, which I am assuming is suboptimal
marsh raven
Okay, so less a variable of the fight and more of a rotational one. I know some ...
slightly
depending on how the fight goes, I personally don't bother
misty holly
!stix
vivid seal
any blasters in here got any tips for OAB parse? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nYg36Adxt4KPa1c7?fight=6&type=damage-done.
waxen oyster
any blasters in here got any tips for OAB parse? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/re...
lust pot in execute
hidden bay
any blasters in here got any tips for OAB parse? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/re...
why did you randomly shiv before? you are missing a shiv in major cds, second screen you dont have shiv at all for KB. last major cds you do the same
hidden bay
not worth to use shiv unless you have lingering darkness + darkess night or full major cds (or kb only)
vivid seal
yeah that was a mistake on my part sending it before my Mark
hidden bay
you did it more than once, you completely nuked your cds
vivid seal
yeah i did it twice
what about like saving cds for add sets or anything
guessing its not worth it
hidden bay
based on your lineup not worth
hidden bay
only if you dont lose anything
hidden bay
aka lose a cast due to killtime
play around with it and try
from my experience its not worth since other classes ramp faster on adds 
worn geyser
i was comparing to gornag’s log and in the reel assistants hes squeaking out a bout 100k dps more reel assistant caustic damage by just not sniping them it seems and just envenom boss instead idk if the other logs do that tho
vivid seal
what do you mean by not sniping them
worn geyser
like im assuming you were rupture sniping them right
vivid seal
I was yes
worn geyser
you had like 10 more rupture casts 21 vs 11
wheat nest
i was comparing to gornag’s log and in the reel assistants hes squeaking out a b...
Isn't it worth sniping for the resource gain to continue pumpin envenoms?
spice surge
Assuming you need energy yes
Youre unlikely to need to rupture all 3 of them
Since theyll just overcap you when they die at roughly the same time
Youre mostly rupturing one, or maybe the third one a bit later if your padders havent killed it yet
vivid seal
yeah thats what ive been doing
nova kelp
I imagine that when someone of repute says "sniping good" people will immediately take it too far, try to bleed everything, or actually bother sniping during their deathmark etc
wheat nest
Youre unlikely to need to rupture all 3 of them
Oh, I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about the alone attendant. Yeah, I def would not snipe the first three
worn geyser
nvm that guy’s log i checked is trolling my b, every other top log has rupture counts similar to yours the log i checked just got to giga pad :P
worthy rose
I do 4M overall with the bleed build in 12s that's decent isn't it?
i dont know man
im a 660 ilvl unholy dk and im doing maybe 4-4.5m already
whats your ilvl as rogue 
i swear tho
unholy dk is just bleed build rogue on steroids
quiet oriole
im a 660 ilvl unholy dk and im doing maybe 4-4.5m already
rip lol. its 670
loud hawk
do we change how many combo points to generate when we play the Forced induction build
winged sun
do we change how many combo points to generate when we play the Forced induction...
Neutral
I recommend playing normally unless some last gcd shit u have to do last sec of shiv or something
loud hawk
yea
winged sun
winged sun
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
vivid seal
just curious as to why it changed
vivid seal
yeah makes sense
vivid seal
yeah mut blasts
winged sun
Same with ambush
vivid seal
got ya
winged sun
haughty flicker
spice spire
<:cuh:1368031415987339405>
jaunty cape
!fuu
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broken lion
If my team is phys godcomp should I switch spec from assa to outlaw or it doesnt rly matter?
runic hinge
Doesn’t matter
solar wyvern
im aboutta straight copy pasta your buil
Dont recommend till 18s since everything dies too fast
humble verge
i finally got pacemaker from dinars
worthy rose
sometimes i use chainbleeds forced induction build
oh
youre using the same build as chainbleed
with the FI
wait @solar wyvern why do you take wound poison?
do mobs heal?
or are you trolling
priory?
worthy rose
oh
does the slow make a meaningful difference in mythics?
versus iron stomach healing and the stealth 20% movement
spice surge
It makes you slow things 10% better
solar wyvern
Its just nice to have
worthy rose
that makes a lot of sense
solar wyvern
I don't take it every key and if i do it's prob cause i forgot tbh
spice surge
Well ye just like imp wound poison rushed setup is completely irrelevant and only taken because the point below is useful
solar wyvern
Slow resistance is kinda nice ig
worthy rose
hmmm
interesting
nuances that i never paid attention to
i just unga bunga
15's and below are too free
solar wyvern
Not really
No trust the 1 in 100000 time where honey volley goes off and because we reduce the slow time we arent slowed anymore and the swirls are out and the harvester is doing is big aoe circle and we escape
(oh wait i pressed cloak it didnt matter)
Shitposting hehe
spice surge
The best case i can come up with is if you have cd on evasion, cloak and all stops and you get rooted by an architect while the diver is dropping a bomb on you
solar wyvern
Honestly i may live the bomb with feint anywayLOL
Watched my dk walk into it and live at 15% on a 20 last night
Like okay i guess
waxen oyster
Yeah but thats dks
solar wyvern
Bro gets 2 stack enrage energized barrage during void rider aoe
Ah i just deathstrike all good
radiant kettle
Are you guys still running your cyrce’s circlet? I see on Murlok.io most of the top 50 are not using it. I ended up crafting a ring to replace it, but sims still show the circlet higher in both ST and AoE. Could be user error on simming however.
balmy condor
most people are able to replace it with turboboost ilvl
worthy rose
dk's and survivability is like
holy shit
they can just tank shit and not die
then death strike it all back
like wtf
most if not all rogues will end up using heroic or mythic jastor diamond
along with a crafted ring
@radiant kettle
but sims will give most accurate info
radiant kettle
Thank you both.
haughty flicker
np
raw marlin
in m+ bleed build, am i pooling to over 150 all the time? I enjoy that playstyle but im just wondering which is actually better for dps? (obv prio is keeping stuff up, but assuming you do that)
gritty laurel
i think it's a tiny optimization to be over 150 on single target, but in aoe you're gonna be capped the whole time so you don't need to think about it
spice surge
Outside of cooldowns and assuming you dont need to refresh anything ye, so its pretty rare
But its also fairly negligible so you can just skip it if you want (like 0.3-0.4% in sims)
raw marlin
But its also fairly negligible so you can just skip it if you want (like 0.3-0.4...
ok but.. it seems to be more 'fun' being over 150 and gives my old man hands time to actually play like old school sin rogue lol
does forced induction sim properly yet? last info ive seen is about a month old
worthy rose
ok but.. it seems to be more 'fun' being over 150 and gives my old man hands tim...
how old shcool are we talking
back in my og days sin rogue only had two buttons
ruptureless envenom the goat build
nova kelp
if you go far enough back the only finishers we pressed was rupture and slice n dice
these "classic" players talk about using actual finishers as if we actually DID that in vanila, nah son, the game wasn't solved back then, we didn't have that many resources
people didn't even rate weapon skill or hit rating that highly
worthy rose
LOL weapon skill
i remember in wotlk when i first started using fist weps as combat
i didnt have the weapon skill
had to buy some shitto weapon off the auction house and go to icecrown to punch zombies
had to go all the way to 300 or whatever it was
nova kelp
and you had to go look at wowbot or such to find an "optimised guide" on leveling weapon skills
nova kelp
eventually EJ
what a fucking terrible time
standing around in org for 8 hrs looking for a group to do ubrs
only to eventually get to the last boss and find out that the hunter you got can't do the kite, because they didn' tunderstand the "point in pretending to be dead" so they never learned feign death
nova kelp
fuck we were so bad at the game
worthy rose
do you remember when naxx dropped
webbed death was the best in slot dagger
pretty sure
but fucking
my guild gave it to a hunter
never had i lost my shit so hard
fully chimped
nova kelp
it's a hunter weapon to be fair
"ok can i get the misplaced servo arm?!?!?"
"nah tank needs"
worthy rose
that was a wild time back in those days
guild i was in was pretty shit tbh
only did 10 man clears coz didnt have 25 people
had to co-raid with that other guild which ha the hunter
and the guildlead was "trying to be nice"
and agreed to give the dagger drop to the hunter
i chimped out at my guild lead after that full 12 year old crash out
moment
nova kelp
I NEVER got my flawless 25 man clear
one of the raid leads had a girlfriend who could NEVER do the heigan dance of all things
but he refused to have her stand outside for the fight coz it made her feel bad
worthy rose
LOL
even to this day
i cant do a flawless heigan run
the markers or the animation of which area is clear just is too shit
bad graphics back in those days
raiding these days is 100% easier than it was back then
lots of mechanics would just not work for the modern playerbase
nova kelp
imagine being able to do the rest of the raid fine, thadd dance with 25 people... no worries
but the HEIGAN DANCE
worthy rose
LOL
nova kelp
closest I ever got to wanting to dox someone
worthy rose
memes
nah but on icc
do you remember that one dk boss on the balcony
you have to rogue kite tank teh flesh beasts
the other rouge in my guild raiding party couldnt do it for whatever eason and kept dying
so i just kite dboth and teabagged his ass
then he crashed out and got so mad after LOL
then coz he was the brothe rof the guild leader i somehow got kicked from the guild
funniest shit
shame cant make those same kind of memories these days
craggy basin
is it worth going void elf on mugzee or naw
main bridge
i doubt your racial abilities are what is holding you back at this point
craggy basin
we havent started yet, im just asking if the port is worth it or naw
slender grove
!wa
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slender grove
ew
balmy condor
ew what
runic hinge
Ew. The constant ebb of time stealing my youth and sanity from me.
keen spruce
we havent started yet, im just asking if the port is worth it or naw
it's basically never worth it to race swap
but I guess it's a very personal value proposition
if you wipe your ass with 100 dollar bills then ig it doesn't really matter
this late in the tier there's almost never going to be any requirements for comps or utility or whatever
just do the fight correctly and iwn
grim vigil
hi came back to the game, is the bleed build from season 1 still viable for low keys?
grim vigil
with or without kings bane
balmy condor
without
grim vigil
niiice
balmy condor
that is the defining feature of the bleed build
grim vigil
and what about this build then
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZZw2MAAAAAA02yMzgZGMzMLz2MzMYGzYwMzsZZMDwmZZgBsEsMMDYYB
basicly you use both those builds right
still
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
balmy condor
the one you linked is cleave
grim vigil
ok so i run cleave build in top/rookery for example, and the rest bleed build basicly
balmy condor
yeah sure
grim vigil
god bless you
balmy condor
I mean again, bleed build has timed every key on a 19
it's totally fine
they do similar-ish overall
grim vigil
and thats with double vanish ye?
grim vigil
ok thx
sonic zinc
wtf is the zeross build
keen spruce
don't look at things zeross does
unless you do the keys zeross does with the comp zeross runs
sonic zinc
sure, but why does he get his own build 😠
keen spruce
cuz he made it 
balmy condor
sure, but why does he get his own build 😠
cause he plays hyrbid with forced induction and dashing scoundrel and people go HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY POGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG INSANE HOW DOES HE DO IT
sonic zinc
lol
sharp viper
worn geyser
cause he plays hyrbid with forced induction and dashing scoundrel and people go ...
“THIS ROGUE TIMED A +20 WITH A SECRET BUILD THE ROGUE MODS DONT WANT U TO KNOW!!”
royal lantern
cause he plays hyrbid with forced induction and dashing scoundrel and people go ...
should give builds Chess Strat. names instead
balmy condor
should give builds Chess Strat. names instead
Yeah I had that idea too but people already struggle with cleave hybrid bleed
Imagine if FI/dashing was the open hybrid and double vanish hybrid was the closed hybrid
“Which hybrid”
I mean
vestal cliff
sounds really smart and fancy tho
balmy condor
Head explosion imminent
It does
And I considered it
But if we can’t even do 3 builds
I ain’t tryna impose with chess opening names
runic hinge
AP+IC df s1 gang rise up
balmy condor
Like I’ll fucking do it, I’ll put it in the guide np
vestal cliff
Budapest Gambit Open Hybrid Assa Rogue Build
balmy condor
But no one will remember or care other than 3 people
And everyone else will be confused as shit
worn geyser
yeah so for dfc first pack youre gonna wanna do the french opener
balmy condor
yeah so for dfc first pack youre gonna wanna do the french opener
You never wanna do that one
vestal cliff
Sicilian Rogue
vital haven
imma be honest
vestal cliff
i love the description of the Hippopotamus Defence
vital haven
i only play zeross build cause he is better than me so in my mind he prob knows better
even though he might not i think that logic applies to most meta stuff
coral ibex
lol
grim jay
even though he might not i think that logic applies to most meta stuff
You should believe in the one and only comcast sufferer
And follow his teachings
subtle tundra
miau miau miau miau
golden loom
miau miau miau miau
its not nightreign yet but we are so back
subtle tundra
thats basically nightreign
grim jay
thats basically nightreign
Cant wait
subtle tundra
well i play nightreign until poe league and then its all poe, always has been
subtle tundra
And then you're coming back for S3, right?
even if i wanted to id miss the start of the patch which means bench for the whole of prog
runic hinge
back for s3 to give me a smooch
subtle tundra
holiday uwuwuwuwu
bronze pike
Prepared for boosted s3
autumn idol
vacay off for poe
best time of my life
if my eyed are not bloodshot 2 weeks from now what am i even doing
final star
should give builds Chess Strat. names instead
nerd
final star
grim jay
well i play nightreign until poe league and then its all poe, always has been
what is that league thing
like season with ranked?
grim jay
so basically a new season
subtle tundra
well new seasons do care about your MMR which doesnt reset
fresh reset means fresh reset
grim jay
didnt know poe had mmr
subtle tundra
no it doesnt? i meant that seasons arent a full refresh in league
poe only thing that remains is your knowledge of the game
grim jay
oh you were comparing it to league
alright
I kinda thought of it as similar to diablo seasons
grim jay
I only ever played diablo and last epoch, because they are more accessible than poe
for occasional grinds
analog field
Guys i am using the whispyr plater and the health bar of the mob i am hitting is way too high (probably some setting with stacking nameplates?) also because its too high i dont understand exactly which mob i am targetting in the pack. Can someone help ? Can the mob be more highlighted lets say ?
rotund oak
can ask the man directly
rotund oak
for occasional grinds
neve rplayed last epoch,diablo ive done all highend content every season
d2 killing diablo clones on hammerdins/Powerstrike javas/Firefighter Sorc
d3 all 150GRs cleared with almost every set/champion in the game
think ive havent cleared mundunugu's WD 150GR but not sure
normal mist
Neither are you!
subtle tundra
whats a bibble
normal mist
A best seller book
rotund oak
ive read better^^
balmy condor
Guys i am using the whispyr plater and the health bar of the mob i am hitting is...
There’s general settings for both the alpha of unselected/selected target which will make your selected target more obvious, and you can play around with the plate stack settings until you get something you like (would recommend the dummies in dorn, the aoe ones are nice to test)
normal mist
ive read better^^
Me too, trust me
I need to get used to the idea of kids books tho
What kind of stories will I tell my kid
balmy condor
What kind of stories will I tell my kid
The great ban wave of ‘25
normal mist
Ahahahahahahahahah
subtle tundra
is it a girl or a boy
normal mist
We'll know by the end of the month
normal mist
I REALLY wish for a girl tho
subtle tundra
i will need a boy to go fishing with
balmy condor
Gamer Varas more like Mpreg Genius Varas
subtle tundra
Gamer Varas more like Mpreg Genius Varas
Close enough! Trans Varas here we go
rotund oak
i will need a boy to go fishing with
Flux 2.0 is gonna train hard for rank 1.He is destined to be the best
candid hull
Close enough! Trans Varas here we go
Hey it rhymes
normal mist
Flux 2.0 is gonna train hard for rank 1.He is destined to be the best
Absolutely, if anything the best Chinese gold farmer ever
rotund oak
Absolutely, if anything the best Chinese gold farmer ever
bro's gonna mine/herb that warbank cap
subtle tundra
high cost bot
grim jay
What kind of stories will I tell my kid
you can just tell your kid about the great stories your parents told their kid about their grandparents
normal mist
you can just tell your kid about the great stories your parents told their kid a...
I don't have any of those. I'm just gonna lie to them and tell them I was a great person at some point in life
analog field
There’s general settings for both the alpha of unselected/selected target which ...
I have changed the nameplate of my target, can i do something about the mob ? or from plater i can only customize the nameplate?
normal mist
Ahahahah
grim jay
I don't have any of those. I'm just gonna lie to them and tell them I was a grea...
ive heard kids will learn by what they see
so if you dont behave great, they wont get that impression
normal mist
so if you dont behave great, they wont get that impression
If that's the case they will grow happy and content
balmy condor
I have changed the nameplate of my target, can i do something about the mob ? or...
Idk what that means
analog field
Can the mob be highlighted? not its healthbar , the actual mob
analog field
no the actual mob not its health or the name, somehow be highlighted coz there are times i dont know which mob i am hitting if lets say we have many footman
midnight mist
!ban @winged sun be nice
analog field
yeah maybe it's a me issue i am just asking coz sometimes the nameplate is too far above the mob. Do you use stacking nameplates? And how much have you set the overlap ?
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winged sun
i use ceverion plater
midnight mist
Zeross is acting like he doesn't have issues but he just is used to it
winged sun
?
analog field
so let's say here how do you know which dummy are you hitting
winged sun
stop acting stupid all the time zac
winged sun
so let's say here how do you know which dummy are you hitting
looks normal its right above his head
u can make them more stacked if u want
i think u can find it in the general settings
but imo u should keep it that way
otherwise they get too stacked
analog field
yeah i am trying some values, it says default 1.1 but it's too much this is aorund 0.6 now
winged sun
yea u can change around see what feels best for u
i've seen more stacked platers from top players
midnight mist
stop acting stupid all the time zac
i just miss you cuh ..
winged sun
midnight mist
analog field
ok ty
winged sun
can't stay awake till 4-5 am
winged sun
u know im 2-3 hrs ahead
midnight mist
i work
winged sun
so its worse for me
and i cant rly play till 12-1 am
i sleep earlier
if i play i usually get a rush and cant sleep for 2-3 hrs after stopping wow
so once i get a job that'll prob be it
midnight mist
get a job that sstarts late and end late
so then you can move your times around
to be like eu
subtle tundra
get a job that sstarts late and end late
just get whatever job you want! that easy!
midnight mist
winged sun
rava
golden loom
He is a cat
subtle tundra
I WISH I HAD WHATEVER JOB I WANTED
golden loom
True
subtle tundra
cause id be working from HOME
subtle tundra
being jobless with no financial worries is great
unfortunately that is not an option
golden loom
I love working from home but atm it fkin sucks cause theres construction on my whole apartment complex so both my windows are covered so I dont see the sun....
Prison vibes
subtle tundra
I love working from home but atm it fkin sucks cause theres construction on my w...
FUCK i want to work from home
golden loom
And it will last until like december gg
golden loom
FUCK i want to work from home
Tbh idk how I would handle a full time office job in the future
subtle tundra
I want to job search but i have vacations scheduled already.
golden loom
Like having worked 1 office day per week and rest from home for 5 years now has made me too comfy
stark halo
Once wow goes mobile you can play the game from a tablet. Live in prison on someone else’s dime and play wow all day from your cell. Win win
midnight mist
i could live a decent life with only so much money
if only i could find a job that dont ask too many hours
grim jay
I love working from home but atm it fkin sucks cause theres construction on my w...
sounds like the average wow player experience
minus the construction part
jaunty sky
if only i could find a job that dont ask too many hours
Too many hours per month or hours per shift?
rotund oak
FUCK i want to work from home
its good to work outside your place
change of environment
good for psychology
not far away though,the more far away ur job is the more money u have to spend on transport
midnight mist
Too many hours per month or hours per shift?
Per week I guess or idk
Like most jobs are 35/40h
But I don't need all that
I can live with half the money
red schooner
its good to work outside your place
Yeah I need that, I like the separation of home and office
midnight mist
So let me work half the Hours you feel me
jaunty sky
Do you not have like 100h per month jobs or things like that
rotund oak
Yeah I need that, I like the separation of home and office
think im lucky enough coz my job is like a 10min drive,i value that greatly,there is also time time factor
jaunty sky
We got that with a lot of shops or places that are open for longer than like 8hrs
red schooner
think im lucky enough coz my job is like a 10min drive,i value that greatly,ther...
It's 20 minutes for me but I just put an audiobook on and chill
midnight mist
Idk 99% of jobs I could get are standards 9 to 5 shit
jaunty sky
Shops, casinos etc
midnight mist
But I don't need that much money so
Just let me get off of work at 3 cuh
And Friday off
Ty
royal lantern
zac
the normal 9 to 5 job barely pays enough for somebody to be by themself
golden loom
think im lucky enough coz my job is like a 10min drive,i value that greatly,ther...
I also have a 10-15 min drive but I still wake up an hour earlier on office days compared to WFH days just to get ready and I value that hour 😎
royal lantern
lol
jaunty sky
Idk thats gonna be harder
rotund oak
It's 20 minutes for me but I just put an audiobook on and chill
yup that sounds nice,i wouldnt rly like more than 30-ish min away though,too much time on the road each day and too much for gas
jaunty sky
If you were fine with shift stuff youd find a lot of jobs that do like 3 to 4 working days a week
jaunty sky
But those will still be 8hrs
royal lantern
thats no "not me"
like half the money of a 9-5 job will be rent/water/electricity unless you are in the middle of nowhere lol
red schooner
yup that sounds nice,i wouldnt rly like more than 30-ish min away though,too muc...
Yeah, 5-20 minutes is the happy zone
midnight mist
?
I just told you
How I lived
I'm in France
I pay my rent my food and everything
rotund oak
I also have a 10-15 min drive but I still wake up an hour earlier on office days...
after like couple of years on the job ive got used to it,my biorhythm wakes me up early enough every morning
but ye the earlier u wake up the better u schedule and do stuff
midnight mist
thats no "not me"
like half the money of a 9-5 job will be rent/water/electrici...
Also that's kinda my point
What do I do with the other half
I don't go out
I don't buy things
royal lantern
staying alive????
midnight mist
I just get home and play wow
royal lantern
food/car/clothing are all thungs mate
golden loom
after like couple of years on the job ive got used to it,my biorhythm wakes me u...
Yeah on days I work from home I wake up at 6:30 and start working the same minute, on office days I wake up at like 5:15 to shower have breakfast etc
midnight mist
I don't need a car
I barely buy clothes, how are clothes a real expense
You buy a shirt every year
jaunty sky
@midnight mist i used to do casino work where i just sit around for 9 hrs 3 to 4 days a week and get paid, but it was either 6am to 3pm or 3pm until closing at midnight
royal lantern
like, do you actually live by yourself rn, or are you with parents/in a home with other people and expenses are shared
midnight mist
I live by myself I told you
I pay a rent of 500 not including electricity nor water, I gain 1k a month, I have about 350e help from government cause I don't gain enough money and I'm young or whatever
I gain a bit of money from twitch aswell like 100/200
And I end up at end of month with more than half of the money I make every month not spent
I don't have a car
royal lantern
so you literally get gov help rn and then say you could go with half?
golden loom
Im in kinda the same situation as zac, my rent+water and electricity are all dirt cheap and I could be way more economic about my food purchases but I just spend most of my money on that cause cba
midnight mist
I just take the train to get to work and don't pay it
midnight mist
so you literally get gov help rn and then say you could go with half?
That's not what I said
Im being paid way under the minimal wage because Im a student in an internship
The mimum salary for my job would be more than double that
Which I don't need
midnight mist
Im in kinda the same situation as zac, my rent+water and electricity are all dir...
Also similarly I spend a lot on food because I basically have infinite money and don't care about it
golden loom
I just take the train to get to work and don't pay it
Whats the fee if u get caught without ticket? Think here its like 50 or 100 euro
midnight mist
I could litteraly half my food expenses if I wanted to
golden loom
Yeah same
midnight mist
But its not worth it to pay
I got caught once in 3 years
It would have costed me infinite money to actually pay
Also it should be free so I don't feel bad about it
golden loom
Yeah I do pay for like a day ticket cause they only have the metero/train things in the capital and I only go there like twice per year
But all my friends who live there never pay
midnight mist
Ye I pay for the big train when I go to see my parents or family etc
Cause that's actually expensive if you get caught + you get controlled about 90% of the times
midnight mist
Anywya my point is that I don't need to work a 9 to 5 to make more than enough money to live
Yet that's basically all you can do if you wanna work
golden loom
Tbh being in that situation is sick tho, cause it just allows you to save for the future
midnight mist
If at the end of the year I chose to keep working at the place I'm doing my internship I will be gaining around 2.5 but I will work 3 more hours a week than I do rn
And I don't need all that
What's the point of money if you don't have free time
rotund oak
Yeah on days I work from home I wake up at 6:30 and start working the same minut...
in all sincerety if it wasnt for work i would be depressed,im rly happy im working even extra to save money.Dont care about early wake up,dont care about working weekends.Think it liberated me from misery and thinking if i wanna buy something or save for a case of emergency
golden loom
Thats fair
rotund oak
its also wise,coz little by little u save money u can invest
golden loom
Idk I am just kinda content overall so I dont really care one way or the other
rotund oak
as the time passes u will see it
if u are like 20-25 u dont care
when u reach 40 u think like,maybe i should get another source of income
like buying and renting a place
golden loom
Both my sisters are in the the service industry so I know how taxing actually hard work is
So I cant complain with my job
midnight mist
As the time pass you will start believing the lies that you can only be happy if you try hard work and buy an home and a car before 30
While you could just be tryharding io fr fr
rotund oak
So I cant complain with my job
taxes is the biggest issue for me,got a brother works like a dog all day as well,we even help each other.Making the same money as him
its very encouraging to have ppl that share ur anxieties and work and all
golden loom
Like I just got done with school last year, got a decent paying accounting job where I just work from home and chill so I kinda dont look for change yet
Even tho I wouldnt mind moving to the capital cause most of my friends are there but also I like it here idk
royal lantern
its also wise,coz little by little u save money u can invest
investing into cute cat pics 
rotund oak
Even tho I wouldnt mind moving to the capital cause most of my friends are there...
in all honesty,ild never put friends above my work at this point,not that i could at this point,since i own the place im working but ye,i think friends and all sure pretty important but job is job
until ofc uve made enough money to think that ye,i need friends more in my life and money isnt that important
midnight mist
💀
golden loom
Eh I value my friend group very highly
midnight mist
This guy is a slave to capitalism fr
rotund oak
investing into cute cat pics <:ez:587982298104987648>
im into buying a smol apartment and renting it.The investment will clear out by itself in about like 7-12 years and ill keep the apartment
midnight mist
Huge
golden loom
But I do already sit on teamspeak with them daily for the past 15 years so it doesnt really matter where I live
rotund oak
the true problem is tax scale
midnight mist
By 60 you can finally rest
golden loom
But we are like 12-15 people that have been a friend group for between 10-20 years so I value it very highly
rotund oak
But I do already sit on teamspeak with them daily for the past 15 years so it do...
yeah thats pretty mch it,u can speak anytime u want with the homies anytime u want,u jsut wont be able to hang out,physically
midnight mist
Are you also a capitalism slave Ross
lunar pond
That is probably more the circular, treadmill-like need for money for unnecessary things. Work is so important because you “need” to buy things you don’t actually need and people get their Identity from work/material items. I don’t get that sense from what @rotund oak was saying. If anything, the goal is to buy things that let you exit it, at least partially in permanence. That could be a house, apartment, equities, etc.
Apartment in this case. What he said about perspective changing as you get older is very true for most.
midnight mist
That is probably more the circular, treadmill-like need for money for unnecessar...
L take - brainwahsed by the government and big corpos
rotund oak
That is probably more the circular, treadmill-like need for money for unnecessar...
im not rly buying stuff i dont need,trying to keep my life as simple as humanly possible.Got myself a small car,nothing fancy,i own my place which i inherited and forced to pay huge taxes to keep it as part of my property.Fisnied my studies while working as well.I do like to schedule and plan ahead because im already working 20 years.Had the experience of a loss early in my life so i had to work to survive.Crawled through the ladder with work,now at a spot i dont care coz ive created most of it by myself.Now im just planning for the next 20 years,even retirement
hexed frost
I bought $750K worth of an apartment but then had to emigrate from the country, that was in 2017. It's still out on rent for ~$900
red schooner
I just keep sticking money in the savings account lest the anxiety consume me.
I don't buy much, so I just stick it in the hole
pure moth
I bought $750K worth of an apartment but then had to emigrate from the country, ...
wow. last year i paid 4500 a month. Now i am paying 3200 in rent
grim jay
thats no "not me"
like half the money of a 9-5 job will be rent/water/electrici...
nah, can earn way more than 2x your expenses on a 9-5, anywhere
hexed frost
wow. last year i paid 4500 a month. Now i am paying 3200 in rent
Third world countries are weird af real estate
rotund oak
I don't buy much, so I just stick it in the hole
u cant have everything in a hole,ive came to realize its not worth to save money ''under the pillow''.Not even banks are safe this time around.Its better to invest to something minor with longterm clear out
many smart things u can do,like buy small amount of stocks on big companies and share the profit in the long run
or real estate
food industry,anything
red schooner
u cant have everything in a hole,ive came to realize its not worth to save money...
This is why I'm eventually going to start moving money out of the hole and pay off the mortgage early but yeah, idk I panic so I just stockpile money
rotund oak
This is why I'm eventually going to start moving money out of the hole and pay o...
i was fully unaware of any of it rly but asked for opinions from investment companies and couple family members relative to economics and investment
turns out its not half bad,u can always ask
check urself,babysteps
just take the smallest amount of risk possible
red schooner
If I was a smarter man I'd probably invest better but, I'm in the rogue discord, I am not a smart man
grim jay
first rule is to learn that small investments get big eventually. many would be surprised how much you can get out of a small deposit
of like 3-5k euro
red schooner
first rule is to learn that small investments get big eventually. many would be ...
I just have zero appetite for risk
grim jay
its not much of a risk
tbf
you can take that money and invest it into something thats more spread-out
minimizes risk
and if you dont just cut it at a bad time, which is on you, you should be really fine
midnight mist
invest into yourself ! become what you want to become !
buy my self improvement book for 59.99
royal lantern
invest into yourself ! become what you want to become !
i sure as hell wont
grim jay
invest into yourself ! become what you want to become !
does alcohol count?
midnight mist
whatever makes you happy
haughty flicker
royal lantern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM
wdym
space stuff is more and more in the hands of private companys
deep gyro
im about to download warframe (again)
Maybe i should do it too
royal lantern
im about to download warframe (again)
you allready have 1 bad game on your PC
dont need 2
bright charm
i've heard warframe is good but it consumes you
which is the same description i would use for WoW so it cant be that bad
spice spire
lord save me
Nothing can save you
rotund oak
Nothing can save you
you could
royal lantern
which is the same description i would use for WoW so it cant be that bad
that makes it bad
royal lantern
george aswell
humble verge
grim jay
read that as kitten first
corrected it for you
humble verge
read that as kitten first
normal mist
im not rly buying stuff i dont need,trying to keep my life as simple as humanly ...
I love you my man, i hope things continue to work out in your life homie,
quiet oar
Akio can save anyone
warm lantern
anywhere i can find the juicy tech for gallywix m? like listed nicely? :3 feel like rogue has little of these resources compared to mage etc
scarlet orbit
Or just pad on boss dmg and dont move out of max melee range when he casts his aoe 
strange tundra
warm lantern
pray to god your raid is asleep for every add set so you can cleave
legit all adds are dead by the time i even get my dry shiv in first pack haha
red schooner
pray to god your raid is asleep for every add set so you can cleave
So I can just hit boss? Neat
I don't care about pad I just want prog to end
royal lantern
legit all adds are dead by the time i even get my dry shiv in first pack haha
you found the problem
red schooner
I'm going onto gally tomorrow, I'm hoping it won't be too bad
warm lantern
you found the problem
we got like 3 ret palas
scarlet orbit
we got like 3 ret palas <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
Just go for Boss dmg then. We are just not good at fast pad on adds
warm lantern
biggest padder died to skill issue on pull and my dry shiv pumped my dps to 5.5, usually only 4 ish lol
but theres other tech than padding i'm looking for haha
evasion uses, unbinding shadowstep etc ( holy shit shadowstepping is mega cringe on gally)
or should i just go sub and pad for the memes 
rotund oak
red schooner
3 ret pallies
We had 4 elemental shammies at the end of last tier
scarlet orbit
evasion uses, unbinding shadowstep etc ( holy shit shadowstepping is mega cringe...
You can use defs to tank the aoe from the boss if you stand at max melee range and you have close to full hp. Shadowstep on other players not the boss so it works. Otherwise there is just not much on that boss do to.
hot hill
3 ret pallies
Only need 1 more. Any clues how to catch em?
scarlet orbit
Get a new tank and force your prot pala to play retri
waxen oyster
how do these guilds find so many
Also this highlights an issue where we can run 4 of like mage/lock and everyone is like "yep this is fine"
scarlet orbit
I think retri is really popular at a certain level. At least when you look in raid there is so many retri parses for the first few bosses and it falls off alot to the later bosses compared to other classes.
fresh kelp
biggest padder died to skill issue on pull and my dry shiv pumped my dps to 5.5,...
Shiv doesn’t affect aoe dmg at all
Only main target
scarlet orbit
It does in raid build because ap
fresh kelp
well ig if ur playing arterial
spice surge
🤓 Aschually if youre playing supercharger shiv does make your next envenoms cleave more 🤓
But ye the shiv debuff itself doesnt amp spatter 
waxen oyster
doesnt it amp with ap
spice surge
if the other targets have shiv on them they take more damage yes
waxen oyster
also wait is feint enough to take the soaks with the tanks
i assume thats why we even get assigned it
molten willow
or cloak may be?
spice surge
I'd just recommend for healers/tanks to be in either the 3rd or the 4th cannister and overlap them, the healing requirement is not strict (and kinda never was, even with lower gear)
Mostly wiping to there not being enough people in them, rather than not being able to heal them
warm lantern
what the fuck is that kind of roster
turns out i lied, "only 2", one was holy (but often offspeccing ret) we had a blue ret pala though
warm lantern
You can use defs to tank the aoe from the boss if you stand at max melee range a...
pmuch only the obvious stuff, hmm. might checks some demon strats for padding, (holding 2nd DN at 30sec interrupt for disgusting dry shiv)
scarlet orbit
Yea i was never really looking for stuff to do more add dmg because when we got there they died way to fast and where not a problem at all.
So i just did what did most boss dmg for me which worked kinda well
golden loom
pmuch only the obvious stuff, hmm. might checks some demon strats for padding, (...
as in just sitting on darkest night? that is not good
trim raptor
Theres no secret padding strat. As long as you shiv every add set you should do good dps
You should have dn lined up for 1st add set just by doing rotation normally
warm lantern
my dps seems fine for the parts we have progged on it mostly, some pulls i get my DN buff a global too late to get a proper shiv out
golden loom
I was on soothe duty
warm lantern
as in just sitting on darkest night? that is not good
"check" and "demon" haha
i'm on bomb duty for some weird strat on 3rd bomb, but that will prolly be ironed out eventually
for the most part we have no issue on any damage parts, just some peeps who's not reading enough between raids
trim raptor
my dps seems fine for the parts we have progged on it mostly, some pulls i get m...
Do you rupture 1st add set when they spawn?
spice surge
The thing about assa is that its actually quite hard to straightup "padd"
warm lantern
Do you rupture 1st add set when they spawn?
when i got time
spice surge
Since a lot of the time thats just the best for boss dps too
fallow canopy
I was on soothe duty <:garf:1320173032743899157>
trim raptor
Because thatll delay your dn if you're not spending finishers on boss
Skip rupture on those and you will get a dry shiv on them
golden loom
Rupturing first add set is bad imo
warm lantern
if i'm badlucking on crits and spending too much globals shifting through i'm not dotting em, generally i'm drowning in energy anyways at that point
golden loom
you have a bunch of energy at that point anyways
trim raptor
For the 2nd and 3rd set it makes sense to rupture because you're running away from boss anyway
golden loom
I do like holding DM for the 2:55 add set which then also lines up double shiv KB for the 4 min intermission adds
but at the same time it does feel awkward to just sit on cds during the 3rd add set
alteast u can just natty shiv that set tho I guess
trim raptor
Yeah send solo shiv there and you'll still have 2 shivs on your next deathmark
Might as well help soothe the pack
golden loom
I got the soothing so wired in during early prog but on day we killed it the adds just got 1 shot anyways and I griefed my shivs
(left side my kill, right side the rank 1 parse) I guess our kill timer was a bit too fast aswell wtf
trim raptor
Yeah im the rank 1 parse
golden loom
like skipping that last add set seems a bit crazy
warm lantern
I do like holding DM for the 2:55 add set which then also lines up double shiv K...
kinda end up getting this at the right time anyways since i'm doing that bomb
trim raptor
We had 2 buyers so adds lived longer and we had a longer kill time
golden loom
We had 2 buyers so adds lived longer and we had a longer kill time
makes a lot of sense
like our prog kill was 7:15
so we just skipped the whole last part
trim raptor
Yeah thats too quick if you want to get a high rank
golden loom
yeah I also casted deathmark at 7:10 and boss died on 7:15
trim raptor
I had my 1st shiv and a dn envenom lined up perfectly on the final intermission adds so I shot up 500-600k dps
Was glorious
golden loom
maybe we have some deaths during re-clear tomorrow and kill takes longer 
scarlet orbit
Just try to snipe the padders with blazes
golden loom
yeah and our re-clear this week was not smooth so I don't think we will have buyers in any time soon
we only re-cleared 6/8, had new tank in and some stuff
golden loom
Just try to snipe the padders with blazes <:Trashpandascheme:1082778449015480330...
at points I jumped off the platform -> shadowstepped back up cause of the shitty hitbox to not blaze people, I am too much of a teamplayer!
scarlet orbit
I was running out like a really good boy just to see mages stand in the boss with it
golden loom
the classic move at 0.5 sec left before it goes off and hit someone
scarlet orbit
Pretty sure half our tries was do to blazes knocking of people 
unreal parcel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
golden loom
NA beta testing for EU again lets goo ty fellas
quiet oriole
Anyone shadow step Trex lazer beam in raid and still get hit by it?
burnt star
Ya the post only mention certain boss not rewarding correct amount
But bug is.. u cant get higher then 750
Then u get 0 from all source
mystic quest
How sure are we this delve belt is bis? got DFC neck and belt on myth track in vault, but already got a crafted neck. having a tought time deciding
like have they said they want us to use the belt next patch like the ring?
spice surge
The belt is 10000% going to be buffed to be worth wearing at all times
Dont take a belt
mystic quest
cool, thats what i was thinking but already spent way too much brainpower on like .2 percent dps difference
ty
past forum
safe to assume any item like this will be buffed until it's used for at least the start of the next patch
grim jay
safe to assume any item like this will be buffed until it's used for at least th...
so until its used at its release
waxen oyster
blizz doesnt like when the playerbase doesnt use their new toys
i think rn its about equal to a myth track belt?
at base ilvl
pulsar prism
youre going to take this borrowed power and enjoy it
past forum
we'd prefer if you didn't skip any content
waxen oyster
i have the golden delve key backpiece transmog
(its from opening 500 delve chests)
hollow sphinx
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
worn geyser
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
gritty laurel
Anyone shadow step Trex lazer beam in raid and still get hit by it?
did that exactly one time when first progging the fight. shadowstep just drops you into the middle of the t-rex model and apparently his breath attack starts at his balls
normal mist
did that exactly one time when first progging the fight. shadowstep just drops y...
shouldnt the balls, in theory, be still not exactly centered at the Tshape but a bit to the front
molten willow
What are the top embelissments for rogue?
normal mist
whatever you find attractive
runic hinge
ascention+writhing band is good, so is dawnthread and i think there's another
molten willow
word ok
restive glade
any vault flexers/good news-ers?
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+
Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
normal mist
^ there is
waxen oyster
I think at best
its 9-10k sim dps between them
in a patchwerk sim
which is fuckall
compact delta
anyone got a macro for mutilate/ambush? for when i get the ambush procs?
runic hinge
it changes automatically
compact delta
mine doesnt apparently lol
hollow river
mine doesnt apparently lol
runic hinge
I'm not sure that's possible
compact delta
yea, today downloaded ELVUI and i had to disable the action bars in elvui apparently it was overlapping
thanks anyway i managed to fix it
normal mist
the amount of problems that i've seen elvui cause makes me never want to use it
wet spire
but the blizz ui is ugly af
normal mist
debatable honestly
wet spire
i just prime subbed to atrocity and use his whole shit lol
waxen oyster
the amount of problems that i've seen elvui cause makes me never want to use it
This is my take on plater
and anyone i hear someone complain about lag
its 90% of the time a plater user
compact delta
also anyone know why i have 2 of icons?
compact delta
i do have omnicd dont know about the plater icon tho im trying to disable it
normal mist
but the blizz ui is ugly af
this seems fine enough to me
waxen oyster
You know whats unhinged to me
people who track other players dots
on the unitframes
normal mist
Hmmm i see. At one point i did use different frames, years ago
waxen oyster
Also my biggest pet peeve
was the default actionbars having useless actionbars on the right side
like wtf was that
runic hinge
you dont fill those with random mounts and toys?
waxen oyster
You couldnt even move them or make them horizontal
runic hinge
waxen oyster
Yeah no that shit is the main reason i got an actionbar addon
asap
when i started this game
runic hinge
you can disable them tho
waxen oyster
I'd rather stack them on top
of the older ones
also mind you this was before blizz overhauled their ui
When the actionbars were genuine pepega
normal mist
bartender was our friend back then
grim jay
I still have them for mounts, toys and my unimportant F1-F4 keybinds
waxen oyster
like you had what
one row of bars
then 2 awkward on the side
then one left one right
in the old default ui
grim jay
bartender was our friend back then
still using it
waxen oyster
oh and the gryphons wasting space
grim jay
normal mist
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
with the UI changes, i stopped having reasons to use it
grim jay
with the UI changes, i stopped having reasons to use it
I dont care enough to disable it
tbf
waxen oyster
and turn one horizontal
i used to play with like 5 stacked horizontally
on top of one another
back when this game actually had spells
Now a spec's book is lucky to fill one page
normal mist
the class where i had the most keybinds ever was when i was pvping as Ret
holy moly i hated it
normal mist
How come
normal mist
I never played feral
hollow river
I never played feral
You had more binds on ret than on rogue tho?
normal mist
but having bop 123, freedom 123, sacri 123, sanctuary 123x WoG 123
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Oh
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That’s why then 
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I fill up 5 actionbars on rogue
normal mist
my highest ever rating i got was with my ret, 2.3k, ... 2 weeks of starting to play it
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subtle tundra
pvp is so hard
i dont have any respect for the players but they would deserve some
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meanwhile i only ever got 2.1k as rogue
waxen oyster
i got 2.4 on monk by accident