meld isnt stealth
#assassination
normal mist
split willow
i believe you--thanks for confirming!
thorn thorn
meld isnt stealth
Meld is some goofy stealth adjacent thing
violet raven
when do you use vanish to reset boss? before your throw hits, or after?
rose glacier
guys what should is use on my dagger for doungen?
normal mist
guys what should is use on my dagger for doungen?
wdym
normal mist
!poison
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
normal mist
also this isnt classic
normal mist
we dont use MH OH poisons
balmy condor
they're just character buffs yeh
runic hinge
outlaw better
Since when
runic hinge
Oh okay
subtle thistle
that's upsetting to hear
midnight mist
im sorry guys ..
normal mist
Zac or what he said?
runic hinge
Both
normal mist
winged sun
winged sun
https://tenor.com/view/retrospectro-peace-out-im-out-bye-bitch-see-ya-gif-554278...
my brain is lagging out watching this
slim copper
is there a quick way to sim for all crafted items i could possibly make?
ope droptimizer nvmd
is there anything keeping me from making two everforged stabbers? They arent unique equip are they?
just unique equip for embellishments?
i've been playing wow for 8 years, sorry im new here lol
radiant shale
Ye you can make 2
spice surge
However youre better of crafting anything else
Offhand is the weakest and least important item we have
So getting ilvl on any other piece is almost surely more value than an offhand
slim copper
i mean it would be 10ilvl upgrade on offhand. everything is is pretty not too bad i think
i'd prob do shoulders or gloves as well. Only non myth track tier pieces. for some reason im rocking 5/5 tier lmao
wheat nest
@balmy condor I've been using your edit of Luxthos's Assassination Rogue WA and could not find an option for the combo points to show active Super Charges. Is this just something I don't need to track or something I should track via another WA?
sonic zinc
circes gets dropped with good rings now right
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> I've been using your edit of Luxthos's Assassination Rogue...
No point in tracking it
wheat nest
No point in tracking it
Thank you!
sonic zinc
who's a good sin pov for mugzee
runic hinge
What do i drop in hybrid for iron wire? Is it MA?
slim copper
No point in tracking it
can i ask why not?
balmy condor
no optimization exists around them
slim copper
no optimization exists around them
ohhhh right because now its the +2 points instead of acting like it was full points
or was the latter part a fever dream?
balmy condor
well yeah, before it was supercharger it was the kyrian power
and that was "if you finish on the blue combo points, it's max cp"
and supercharger is "your next finisher is +cp"
slim copper
right gotcha thanks!
snow hamlet
wooden silo
and that was "if you finish on the blue combo points, it's max cp"
While it was annoying to play around in SL, I kind of miss it given the current iteration of it
hidden bay
who's a good sin pov for mugzee
There’s no good sin players 
west jolt
Its pretty easy, just kill a rare mob or two in legion dalaran underbelly and you'll unlock the base appearance, then do 30x legion dungeons and you'll unlock red version...I spammed maw of souls, each run took like 2 minutes
This is assuming you've done just the intro artifact weapon quest from legion, if not it takes like 10m to do
fallow canopy
There’s no good sin players <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
true
spice spire
There’s no good sin players <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Real
runic hinge
There’s no good sin players <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
based
fair hearth
Are there any French players who have mastered the raid spec available to chat in voice?
plain onyx
sorry for the question but what is the name of the addon when you hover over an item it tells you it's price in the AH in the tooltip?
runic hinge
Auctioneer
echo hound
!Cleave
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
worthy fable
What should the % damage breakdown of spatter, CT, rupture, envenom be with the induction m+ build?
plain onyx
!wa
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normal mist
Its pretty easy, just kill a rare mob or two in legion dalaran underbelly and yo...
I was faster muahaha (I answered the guy yesterday)
static glacier
who's a good sin pov for mugzee
Stealthi isn’t bad despite him getting infinite mechanics, though the way they did it is different to the current Strat of skipping 2nd cages
zenith elm
Hello fellow rogues, how is it bitching today?
brave comet
anyone here knows how to get rid of this garbage?
royal lantern
dont search for WTS?
like sorry, but there is no way you didnt actually look for WTS there lol
scrolled trought the entire list and not a single WTS post in it
static glacier
scrolled trought the entire list and not a single WTS post in it
probably super late night
brave comet
like sorry, but there is no way you didnt actually look for WTS there lol
what do you mean dont search for wts, who does that
royal lantern
are you NA?
golden loom
whats the "PGF" thats ticked?
royal lantern
i gues thats a NA vs EU thing then
EU winning once again
cus there is legit 0 WTS posts here
brave comet
i know, i launched the game in NA cause i am bored and i cant believe this
royal lantern
like, even if i look up WTS, 0 results lol
fresh kelp
just that time of day
brave comet
That seems abnormal even for NA lol
do you have them filtered?
midnight mist
like, even if i look up WTS, 0 results lol
I think you have a filter no ?
i think i have had a filter since i started the game
i dont even know which addon does it anymore
royal lantern
I think you have a filter no ?
no? i have no LFG addon or anything like that
subtle tundra
miau
midnight mist
no? i have no LFG addon or anything like that
not even a weak aura or something
royal lantern
no
brave comet
I think you have a filter no ?
tryan is right, there are legit 0 WTS listings in EU even during prime time
hollow river
there definitely is in eu
they just get reported
same happens when people are actually online in NA, they get reported and removed
haughty flicker
there also are nowhere near that many wts in na during actual times people are playing
hollow river
ye exactly
haughty flicker
like you might see 2-3 if you dont just use a filter but nothing like that amount
midnight mist
NA is simply worse
real
brave comet
i think hes calling you a communist
haughty flicker
idk you cant tell me you've never thought about seizing the means of production
autumn idol
i love seizing my homies means of reproduction
hollow talon
Does he play dk now?
loud hawk
yes
hollow river
so thats false
Their rogues r so good you cannot see them
Perma stealth on all leaderboards
hollow river
I haven’t been paying much attention lately ngl
hollow river
No trickz
midnight mist
who
hollow river
Ur father
ebon steppe
shy creek
winged sun
tbf i think r1 and 2 rogue rn are na
Just a matter of time till we gap again im back on my old team
midnight mist
noob !
winged sun
talking about gap but cant even time +19/+20 Rookery
Because we had zac in our grp
We 1 shotted both
Vdh diff
midnight mist
Toxic af
marble hemlock
drifting cloud
winged sun
@midnight mist btw guess what
hidden bay
indigo mulch
gentle belfry
Does disc fit into melee cleave comp? And what other classes would I be looking for ideally? 
dapper cradle
Does disc fit into melee cleave comp? And what other classes would I be looking ...
It’s usually rsham, rdruid, or mistweaver for melee comps
loud hawk
in the cleave build
lets say on cinderbrew
on the big furst pull
do i press garrote before deathmark
like ambush -> FoK -> rup rup -> garrote ->fok -> CT and then cd's and rotation
gentle belfry
It’s usually rsham, rdruid, or mistweaver for melee comps
Ahh ty. And dps are: rogue, warr, then any other melee rly? Is there an ideal cleave dps comp, or depends on key? Assuming everyone has a brain
trail scarab
is the bleed build generally worse on ST than hybrid? or am i just not doing it correct
mortal wave
sorry noob question but is it important to swap targets in AOE? To reapply ruptures and stuff? So far it's the only thing that's overwhelming
west crown
do i press garrote before deathmark
Garrote is if you feel like you need some extra prio, generally no
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
west crown
@mortal wave ^ this
analog field
but if you mean in the middle of the pull then you will have to reapply them manuallu
west crown
is the bleed build generally worse on ST than hybrid? or am i just not doing it ...
They are close but bleed should be ahead, not having your cds twice in a fight makes you do no damage though
analog field
Yeah but hybrid without 2DM shouldn't be better
dapper cradle
Ahh ty. And dps are: rogue, warr, then any other melee rly? Is there an ideal cl...
idk if there's an "ideal" one, but there are a few viable variations in terms of dps
rogue/war can go with MM hunter, feral druid, enhance shaman, WW monk
that'll all depend on the healer you're running
pine cave
!plater
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trail scarab
They are close but bleed should be ahead, not having your cds twice in a fight m...
oh alright, i veery rarely get to use them twice on a boss fight atm
rotund oak
raiding with Azortharion
is that the hunter that paywalls sims?
trail scarab
but i am probably doing something weird to, need to read up on it :D
earnest flume
Weird mechanic question that’s irrelevant to gameplay. But does anyone know how Crimson tempest(and any other “reduced damage beyond x targets”) chooses the lucky winners to get the full damage instead of square root? Is it the targets closest to you when cast or something else? Just curious if anyone knows.
trail scarab
in the bleed build do you want to pool and hover around 50%+ for ST aswell or is that for aoe ?
guessing its mostly just for ST since u get so much energy in aoe(but this is probably where i have messed up)
golden loom
in the bleed build do you want to pool and hover around 50%+ for ST aswell or is...
In ST yes, but in reality you only end up doing it like 20% of the time or something
cause you still gotta use ur cds, keep your dots up and consume darkest nights etc
but keeping at 150+ energy takes prio over regular envenom
trail scarab
just thinking in my burst window with mark and shiv etc i have just been hammering away on my envenoms
oh ok, i will try that in the next key then :)
golden loom
yeah also playing that optimally isnt super big either
personally I do kinda forget about it most of the time and its whatever
trail scarab
ye, this was 2:29 timer boss fight but i didnt have cds on pull so i only got 1 deathmark out
but feel i am kind of griefing a bit on ST so far 
but will practice more
analog field
just thinking in my burst window with mark and shiv etc i have just been hammeri...
this is not your problem atm for sure. The difference will be something around 100k max if you do it perfectly, but if you pool when you apply dm or shiv you lose more than that, so don't try to do that until you feel comfortable. Just smash your buttons
hidden bay
is that the hunter that paywalls sims?
haughty flicker
rotund oak
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
😂
lunar pond
borrowed power and nerfs really make a difference lol. Mugzee and Gally in 75 combined pulls between last Saturday and this past Friday. Having to hold dps on Mugzee during second gaul set
lunar pond
Gaol*
wise tulip
Is there a WA to track our 4pc or is it something that's not worth tracking?
scarlet orbit
There are but its not worth tracking
prime hull
man top is by far the best dungeon for silences from garrote and like no one is playing it 
analog field
I am not sure if half of the mobs are silenced by it
prime hull
You can solo the entire kulthorok wing and the last boss
and its decent in gorchop wing
analog field
I mean some mobs are not silenced by iron wire, i dont know exactly how it works someone else can enlighten me. But there are mobs that iron wire does not work
prime hull
midnight atlas
mobs immune to silence
analog field
yeah i mean idk how to know which are and which are not
coral garnet
I am trying to find the answer but like we can stack envenom two times in some builds, is that an objective? Like I was used to just be sure to keep envenom buff up?
dapper cradle
did somebody say gaul
hidden bay
I am trying to find the answer but like we can stack envenom two times in some b...
dont need to track it
hallow glade
Most people are running the supercharger build in your picture, which doesn’t take either improved garrote or subterfuge
So iron wire is useless
hidden bay
just need to have envenom buff before you go into cooldowns, thats all what you should pay attention to
spice surge
man top is by far the best dungeon for silences from garrote and like no one is ...
Ye iron wire is really really strong, its just a shame it costs so much damage
hallow glade
If they could just
Move it somewhere else lol
Sub has like shot in the dark that no one cares about for pathing but sin is like all damage nodes
scarlet orbit
If we could take iron wire without some hefty drawbacks it would need to get really nerfed
hallow glade
I mean that’s
scarlet orbit
Sorry but we arent a veng dh in dragonflight
But nah that would be even more op then that
runic hinge
Pressing garrote 12 times in a row in carnage is peak
hallow glade
Using your 2 minute cd to extend it and playing your build around it
spice surge
Yes
Even if you already have garrote on a target its not really a big difference between fok and garrote as bleed
To build cps
Obv depends on target counts, but at something reasonable like 5-8 targets
spice surge
As it should be
hallow glade
Are there other cc that aren’t drd
spice surge
Infernal stun is one
Dont know about any other tbh
Kidney should not be on DR though
spice surge
Mfers doing chaos nova 2 seconds into the pull so i cant kidney archers for 8 seconds in ToP
Smh my head
hallow glade
Kidney should not be on DR though
jade hemlock
Most people are running the supercharger build in your picture, which doesn’t ta...
i thought that was only good on high keys and specific dungeons?
runic hinge
Top is one of those dungeons
royal lantern
i thought that was only good on high keys and specific dungeons?
it is
hallow glade
Yeah I’m just saying iron wire is basically useless in that build
royal lantern
but mfs cant talk with nuance
analog field
also top is not good to drop 2nd shiv i would say
spice surge
Sub dungeon fr fr
analog field
how is sub after the buffs?
spice surge
Playable
Workshop, DFC (for candleking specifically) and ToP its comparable to the others in
hallow glade
If you can resist the urge to use blades when kyrioss is up
spice surge
Its actually fine to use it i realized
hallow glade
How am I supposed to doom post now
spice surge
It doesnt miss, its just
Details doesnt pick it up because its the classic sectech bug
But it still hits
hallow glade
Lmao
So it gets teleported to the floor and suddenly it’s too far away to log correctly?
royal lantern
How am I supposed to doom post now
you play WoW
doom regardless
sub was THE rogue spec for the entirety of DF? complain about Sub ALWAYS being bad cus it was kinda bad for this tier after the first few weeks
repeat with every Spec you Play
the way of WoW
royal lantern
what i play is always bad 
scarlet orbit
Your either number 1 or its not playberle. We dont settle for anything else
runic hinge
Real
hallow glade
Classic wow z axis moment
prime hull
idk i keep playing the supercharger build and it just seems worse than bleed
its like 6% more st dam
but no silences and less aoe
runic hinge
If your group doesn’t desperately need ST I wouldn’t run it myself
prime hull
i think the bleed build with silence is better in top
i tried 17 top with bleed vs cleave build and bleed felt a lot better
maybe if you are playing with a premade group that is perfect on kicks and ccs you dont need the silence but it lets you solocarry pugs so hard
royal lantern
there is a reason why the guide says "only play this in really high content and groups that can use it"
and why people here say the same all the time
its no magical "its better"
its a different dmg pattern that can work in some team comps
runic hinge
I wish I could work in any team comp
analog field
i think the bleed build with silence is better in top
Why do you think silence is top is that good? I don't see this big of a value in Kultharok wing. It's like 2 mobs that need interrupt. In 17's people can chain interrupt 2 mobs
haughty flicker
analog field
In any case you cannot solo carry 17's 😂
sonic schooner
@midnight mist as the best rogue in the world, i can confirm best rogues are in EU
fax
midnight mist
ye
past forum
Always complain
Whenever someone says “Oh, can’t complain” I tel them “Skill issue, I can always complain “
runic hinge
If complaining was an olympic sport i'd complain about how dull my gold medal looked
jade hemlock
Do we still CT on ST with the forced induction build
upbeat marsh
!bleed
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
weary cedar
!wa
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main bridge
100% what?
weary cedar
of 0 - 100% 
hidden bay
r1 logs 
hidden bay
god ur so hot
post glorp feet
haughty flicker
hidden bay
zenith elm
Hello all 🙂
keen spruce
zenith elm
How you doing all? echoing void is fucking me up lol
main bridge
How so?
zenith elm
seems kinda bugged
like he doesnt do much dmg, 0.5 percent per key
and when i sim, it says at least 1 percent
zenith elm
yes just saw it
idk which one to take then 🥲
seems like void ritual is the best choice in warcraft logs
runic hinge
r1 logs <:shhh:908048567061610548>
R1 fatebound logs
runic hinge
mellow jungle
anyone know a good simple kingsbane tracker/timer
runic hinge
!wa
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dapper cradle
post glorp feet
whole willow
Yo, I haven’t really played sin since DF, has it had any big changes during war within?
royal lantern
kingsbane less important
spec is even more "envenom the spec" then it allready was
m+ has actual build options now instead of a objective winner
hero talents all suck
thorn thorn
god ur so hot
Caught horny on main
autumn idol
imagine not having balls to be horny on main
runic hinge
I don’t even have an alt
autumn idol
i dont even have balls
haughty flicker
alts are for nerds
thorn thorn
imagine not having balls to be horny on main
This shit is not gonna look good at the pearly gates bro
runic hinge
Alts are for people preparing to get banned
autumn idol
This shit is not gonna look good at the pearly gates bro
pearly gates
more like
idk
dumb gates
lolll
thorn thorn
dumb gates
Warlocks have those
humble verge
man
im boosting heroic
and im just listening arabs talking
wtf is this
not tryna be racist but like
any english
viscid spear
For the Bleed Build, what talent would be best to swap out for Iron Wire? Lightweight Shiv?
thorn thorn
and im just listening arabs talking
Ingame voicechat or
autumn idol
For the Bleed Build, what talent would be best to swap out for Iron Wire? Lightw...
i wouldnt play wire
if i were you
viscid spear
I figured, but I get some pulls where spread ints would be nice
autumn idol
I figured, but I get some pulls where spread ints would be nice
well
the problem with wire is that its a silence
and not an interrupt
even if you do stop casts with it, its not worth playing around it
autumn idol
Ye
sigil and interrupting shout
i was playing iron wire at the beginning of the season for workshop 1st pull
humble verge
Ingame voicechat or
discord
boosting for oblivion
jesus this shit is going so ass 😭
thorn thorn
jesus this shit is going so ass 😭
How
thorn thorn
Better open up google translate
winged nacelle
@winged sun why 18% versa on assa?
humble verge
@thorn thorn jesus
a bunch of fucking sloppy alts they are using
doing zero damage
man get me out
😭
thorn thorn
man get me out
Are you being paid
thorn thorn
How much
thorn thorn
humble verge
not gonna do any more raids with this team tho
the other boost did was with dawn
holy shit
smoothest boost ive ever done
thorn thorn
Bro for 100k im putting on some youtube and phoning it in if I also gotta deal with that
spice spire
<@1172550924519080006> why 18% versa on assa?
Need it to live
runic hinge
Imma need a lot more than that to live
viscid spear
Another one down, idk if I'm going to be able to do them all
main bridge
12s?
viscid spear
Yeah, I have bad luck
humble verge
Another one down, idk if I'm going to be able to do them all
i believe in you
winged quail
!up
prisma monolithBOT
thorn thorn
i believe in you
fallow canopy
<:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
thorn thorn
<:xla:1283127722180087808>
runic hinge
humble verge
<:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
i just reported this leader
cause god damn
almost wrote a whole ass essay
humble verge
no, to boost support
thorn thorn
To some boosting hierarchy?
humble verge
they have inhouse boost support
if you have issues
i.e. boost goes wrong
missing payment
thorn thorn
How wrong is it going
thorn thorn
What was issue
thorn thorn
No fun
thorn thorn
Did you beat any of the boosters in dam
thorn thorn
sonic zinc
we can shadow step out of gaols on m mugzee right
thorn thorn
it took like 3 days
balmy condor
we can shadow step out of gaols on m mugzee right
no
somber sparrow
I don't know why but this makes me laugh the more I watch it
misty holly
Anyone have tips for doing 8 mask solo?
serene mason
guess one question.. i was cinderbrew and got kicked after activating shroud.
I asked why? Tank told me "you dont know?"
what did i miss here
after that he blocked me... i never skipped different.
balmy condor
Did you just run ahead and shroud before they picked up the gun or something
serene mason
you mean the racial thing? we had no mechagnome gnome and stuff in the group
maybe hobgoplin was too close?
😄
balmy condor
No, the flamethrower
If you’re like super speed shrouding through and someone needs to pick up the flamethrower sometimes it’s too slow
Only thing I could think of is that you shrouded before they grabbed, they grabbed
And then got locked out
onyx linden
That is the racial/engineering thing though right
You need to be an engi or gnome/gob to pick up
haughty flicker
maybe he just didnt like your transmog
serene mason
tbf we were already at the corner when i activated shroud
i dont know... ill never know
😄
thorn thorn
People are weird
balmy condor
You need to be an engi or gnome/gob to pick up
ye I keep forgetting 
waxen oyster
balmy condor
but yeh idk
thorn thorn
who didnt know how to use his brez
He forgor it uses runic power
haughty flicker
was probably in his spellbook looking for it lmao
thorn thorn
But then you have to be smelly orc
thorn thorn
was probably in his spellbook looking for it lmao
I had a ret paladin ask "why is res not work" after healer died
Turns out he was trying to use regular revive
Not the brez
waxen oyster
You may be smelly but you def arent an orc
You not that kind of orc?
waxen oyster
<a:run:1065263068914925608>
is this a fatebound sim
hidden bay
ds
thorn thorn
You not that kind of orc?
Nope
balmy condor
Im guessing no PI
he's BiS
hidden bay
nono
haughty flicker
can i get an item list then
hidden bay
hidden bay
can i get an item list then
sure, here you can see em 
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u8L3MScZqmuEYmJ3ZjH5Pz
thorn thorn
waxen oyster
sure, here you can see em <:Kappa:1240621338482442251> https://www.raidbots.com/...
”but wowhead says to use crafted bracers”
typeshi
hidden bay
noooooooo
hidden bay
waxen oyster
Dfc neck
I think i need more haste on my other slots else only neck upgrade is richard one
sim is like, some haste
but not too much
thorn thorn
Sim says more haste but what does your heart say
balmy condor
but haste is our third stat
hidden bay
i found some spare-gear in my bags
balmy condor
holy this game is so complex!
hidden bay
i found some spare-gear in my bags
balmy condor
herp how do you sleep at night with my ass cheeks clapping so loud
waxen oyster
Nice capo
waxen oyster
Sometimes i wonder what blizz was thinking
when they made a 2 pt talent for havoc
that makes crit also function as a pseudo versa
but slightly better
thorn thorn
Probably thinking the same way when they gave vdh double sigil
thorn thorn
<@209386846365548545> yikes
I am confused about how this works
Are you getting paid 80k?
humble verge
yes
16 boosters
and all boostees
are paying 1,93m
adv takes cut
and the management(server owners basically) takes a cut
waxen oyster
though wait
humble verge
true
waxen oyster
are rogues one of the only classes
waxen oyster
not changing to secondary proc enchants
been seeing some specs go into mastery/crit proc enchants lately
thorn thorn
fatebound has crit/haste proc
Are you trying to be a herald of Fatebound
magic ginkgo
In bleed build, if i need to refresh a CT, or any bleed for that matter, is it more important to proc the darkest night first or get the bleed(s) re-applied?
waxen oyster
or we get the enhance treatment
where your tier bonus interacts
with a talent you dont even take
fallow canopy
Tier interacting with CB or some shit
waxen oyster
mfw enhance has a tierset that buffs crash lightning
crash lightning never taken in raid
waxen oyster
Tier interacting with CB or some shit
sub tier trust
fallow canopy
sub tier trust
Only for Sin 
ancient bloom
How do I properly sim Assassination Rogue for Mythic+?
balmy condor
dungeonslice
magic ginkgo
In bleed build, if i need to refresh a CT, or any bleed for that matter, is it m...
bump
runic hinge
In bleed build, if i need to refresh a CT, or any bleed for that matter, is it m...
Darkest night is your number one prio
drifting charm
would anyone be willing to go over a log and tell me why im dogshit? cuz that would be sick.
hidden bay
just post, someone will check
drifting charm
the evoker left- so time was ass - but i gotta be doing something wrong.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pj6Mqx4t2KzGPQY9?fight=last&type=damage-done
balmy condor
yeh you're playing a giga st build that revolves entirely around prio targets and cds
and you seemingly have neither
37 shiv casts in 43 minutes is diabolical
haughty flicker
drifting charm
keen spruce
hidden bay
haughty flicker
brothers gotta start pressing cds on cd
keen spruce
use your damn abilities
balmy condor
didn't realize kingsbane was a 2 min cd
keen spruce
drifting charm
okay so basically im holding by stuff way too long cuz bad
balmy condor
ya
neat smelt
just took a look at your opener on first pull
it is, well, wrong
ambush-garrote-envenom???
drifting charm
taht big pull there for some reason is the only pull in the game that lags my pc out
neat smelt
yeah you pulled 6m dmg on first pull, not ideal i guess
unless these numbers in logs are different somehow, never really looked into key logs before
drifting charm
ive only been on rogue for a week/week 1/2 so im trying to not have bad habits early. but yeah
neat smelt
rogue for only a week?
drifting charm
figured id ask before i engrain bad habits
drifting charm
rogue for only a week?
roughly?
neat smelt
are you enjoying the build youre playing?
i would suggest either bleed or generic hybrid for starters
drifting charm
im not locked in to anything specific, all i know it outlaw breaks my brain
neat smelt
subterfuge will give you some leeway for mistakes while you learn
drifting charm
okay. good point.
neat smelt
personally i havent tried the "cleave" build on 13s and lower
so no clue if it works or if things just die
haughty flicker
i would definitely just use bleed for now
drifting charm
thanks everyone - sorry i had to burn your eyes.
neat smelt
no prob
oak eagle
so no clue if it works or if things just die
things just die in 13s fuck even 15s things just die too fast
midnight scroll
bleed build is so goated
thorn fjord
@balmy condor Sup breh... QQ you running Gushing in raid?
balmy condor
ye'
thorn fjord
I think we kill gally this week and I can get my ce the following and just coast lol
Only have up to sprocket atm
Gotta do these stupid 12s and wait for reclear
runic hinge
Need that oab kill
runic hinge
That’s fair
thorn fjord
I just finished my visions
And holy shit did I hate that content lmao
You mythic raiding this tier?
thorn fjord
Rip
runic hinge
5pm to 1:30 am
thorn fjord
Jesus dude
runic hinge
Is really a perfect shift to never see a mythic raid lmao
thorn fjord
I got a new gig where I’m essentially only working three days a week on salary
I got so fucking lucky
thorn thorn
5pm to 1:30 am
4pm to midnight
runic hinge
That’s so hot. Do you need an adopted son
thorn fjord
Is really a perfect shift to never see a mythic raid lmao
Would always do those five hour sat guilds lmao
thorn thorn
Neither of us are seeing a mythic raid
runic hinge
4pm to midnight
That was my shift last year 
runic hinge
Yeah there’s some weekend guilds I could look at but I don’t wanna work all week and be stuck at home on the weekend for wow lmao
thorn thorn
Hey man atleast you left Amazon
God King Jeff Bezos will not tolerate this heresy
royal lantern
Post office keeping my hours as shitty as possible
train stu to delivier mail
ez solution
rigid acorn
what trinkets are you guys using for m+
my options are HoC + vexie mythic, seaforium heroic, junk mythic
is double on use bad, I have mythic signet and HoC
wise plover
is double on use bad, I have mythic signet and HoC
just sim it bro, but i use mythic signet + seaforium
rigid acorn
sims want me to use Hoc+ vexie but i literally see noone else running it
runic hinge
train stu to delivier mail
He would eat the letters
runic hinge
sims want me to use Hoc+ vexie but i literally see noone else running it
Lemme see the sim
hidden bay
8 targets 10 seconds
abstract canopy
yo i havent touched my rogue since S1, with the supercharger talent its just completely passive now right? we dont have to play around it at all like we did in S1?
fervent fractal
is every one keeping their cryces circlet? or just upgrading it
hidden bay
yo i havent touched my rogue since S1, with the supercharger talent its just com...
Correct
abstract canopy
massive ty
fervent fractal
I want my ilvl to be higher but I know its a loss in dps, 😦 or should I just craft other stuff
abstract canopy
just sim it
hidden bay
You sim yourself till higher ilvl gear is better
abstract canopy
raw marlin
hey, i see on pins it says to play a AP double vanish build but even whispyr is using a different build, which build should i be using in m+? (just back after 6 month break)
spice surge
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
hidden bay
he’s atleast r1 on the qt ladder
balmy condor
I had zeross read over the command for stamp of approval but ya know whatever I guess
balmy condor
true, check whispyr io instead
waxen oyster
zeross should spec into some no dm no lightweight shiv build
to troll people on logout
woeful meteor
murlok io exists for pvp cause no one does those guides anymore 
woeful meteor
yes, but if you dont want to feelycraft gotta copy someone
waxen oyster
yeah its just funny since i feel pvpers completely change their builds
multiple times
runic hinge
My PvP build from s1 is nearly the same as bleed build. Except it has IB and takes ttb instead of blindside
PvP is straight mastery vers. Just like zeross
They are ahead of the curve
waxen oyster
idk pvp is kinda sketch to copy off
when one of the highest rogues for years self admitted
"yeah i dont understand gearing for shit i just press enter"
winged sun
isn't zeross building crit for dashing
Nah im just lazy to sim so i just use whatever is in my bags
winged sun
thorn thorn
i dont even get the point of murlok.io
To find the talents most popular for top players
Which ends up being useless info for some specs since the build they prefer to use is completely dogshit awful the lower you go
Sin is a good example of this
thorn thorn
Most are changing one or 2 points at most
winged sun
Ok the belt sims look quite disappointing
I guess they’ll buff it, 0.7 doesnt sound great for a 700 ilvl item
novel star
wow
winged sun
If its 0.7 then I just dont wear it
xdd why not
winged sun
U have a fight with the belt or what
waxen oyster
if we have 684
novel star
a .7 patch with a cringe scaling item that is extremely underpowered and then gets overbuffed
wonder if this is going to happen again in 11.2
thorn thorn
xdd why not
If its sub 1% im not putting in effort for it
waxen oyster
This is also a tier we got a massive raid aura buff
thorn thorn
Im not desperate
winged sun
If its sub 1% im not putting in effort for it
Its sub 1% from the current bis belt
So
Any 684 belt is bis anyway
novel star
keep your sub running for circlet and keep your sub running for turbo boost and keep your sub running for titan disc and keep your sub running for my FAT balls bro
thorn thorn
Wake up people this is a scam to get us to sub to wow longer
abstract canopy
for the cd timings it should be like:
kingsbane + deathmark - shiv + tea - shiv + tea
then
just kingsbane - shiv + tea - just shiv
then everything again
kingsbane + deathmark - shiv + tea - shiv + tea
rinse repeat?
waxen oyster
aww hell nah
circlet is outsimming my crafted ring again
back to the gulag
why are you double tea'ing in your opener
you have way too much energy
abstract canopy
you dont want the extra mastery in kingsbane and deathmark opener? o.0
waxen oyster
the energy matters more
abstract canopy
oh it also just uses it automatically under 30 energy lol..
waxen oyster
optimal play also uses a shiv with just darkest night
on the non dm sets
But thats considered more advanced gameplay
abstract canopy
only if you have lingering darkness with it right
past forum
optimal play also uses a shiv with just darkest night
Whenever I tell someone to shiv DN it starts a fight in the yard
rotund oak
abstract canopy
"To properly cast this Dry Shiv, several buffs need to be active, the main one being Lingering Darkness in addition to Darkest Night."
"Your next Kingsbane will then not have a Shiv immediately before it, but instead a single Shiv which covers the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane."
"happens very consistently towards the end of the Lingering Darkness window."
i can see why it would start fights lmao
just saying "shiv in DN"
brain breaking tryna learn this spec
so tl;dr for tea tho, its just manually with your first shiv in the opener, then let it go off auto every other time?
novel star
just use the macro
abstract canopy
but i just got told not to
use it twice in the opener
macro would do that
yall need to figure yer shit out guys my brain
waxen oyster
It's not optimal but it also doesnt matter enough
But "Tea for mastery" is a wrong train of thought
runic hinge
its not a gain in sims anymore to not tea with shiv, so just macro to shiv and take tea off your bars
novel star
iirc the apl effectively just uses the macro
so like
just fuckin use it man
dont think about tea
there are not many things to think about on this spec
but the things that are worth thinkin about
tea is absolutely not one
macro that bitch
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
abstract canopy
bet ty
tacit hedge
Is the go-to build between 14-16 keys still bleed? I know 17+ Cleave is more popular
tacit hedge
But "Tea for mastery" is a wrong train of thought
Wait, is it really? I've been playing around that
balmy condor
tea is macro'd to shiv and then ignored
tacit hedge
tea is macro'd to shiv and then ignored
Fuk, thx
waxen oyster
tea is macro'd to shiv and then ignored
just spam like a chimp then you never have tea charges
balmy condor
also fine
little tulip
quick question am i reading this sim correctly? keep hero chef chewies towel and replace belt? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vDiQn5wM5gAthEzarS8JFc
balmy condor
correct
little tulip
oh no
strange tundra
🤖 📠
waxen oyster
quick question am i reading this sim correctly? keep hero chef chewies towel and...
whats wrong with the sim
little tulip
nothing just wasn't sure if i was doing something wrong, i get why it's saying keep chef chewie cloak
im just kinda curious about haste i guess
but it's good i can't lose any more crit, stat weights from 2 crafted are a dps loss* etc i gets it
waxen oyster
Probably have too much crit
waxen oyster
chewie's cloak isnt even that special
little tulip
ye that's why im surprised 10 item levels from crafted cloak didn't replace it
o well
waxen oyster
more funny you actually remember your stat %s
waxen oyster
only expensive prof still is bs kinda
waxen oyster
now ill never get a refund <:PlatypusCosplayingAsBeaver:836584422412517397>
sim probably also assumed you only had 1 more spark
and belt has more agi
little tulip
oh true that's probs what it is good catch
orchid pewter
Remember we get delve belt next patch
runic hinge
I don’t want to remember that
worthy rose
Just maxed a dk and playing it
Holy shit is dk easy as piss
Why tf are rogues so difficult when dk just face rolls
little tulip
wheelchair
would be hilarious if their movement speed scaled with runic power..tangent but it's neat that ironclaw alloy for recrafts is only now starting to surge
when turbo dropped prices were low until like last week
worthy rose
Unholy has to press buttons in a specific order
But frost?
Just blast
Ezpz
Also I was just thinking
Arthas the lich king is a frost dk
Not unholy and not blood
He a frost bro
2hander frost too which is suboptimal
Always has been
winged quail
Lmao I’ve been playing a frost dk as an alt and this is so true, might be the most faceroll spec I’ve ever played but it feels so satisfying
Press cd’s, roll face on keyboard, bongo damage and massive scythes everywhere
Every 45s btw
worthy rose
Fuck me
And I come back to rogue and it’s like
Why tf am I playing this
I could get 3300 so easily on dk if I was geared holy
May have to main dk next season
Channel my inner arthas
2hander frost dk just cuz
visual sun
worthy rose
One day
Rogue will be a two button rotation again
Ruptureless envenom in wotlk my beloved
golden loom
Rogue will be a two button rotation again
zenith elm
Love it
sharp viper
https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481
peak classic gameplay
brave comet
i wish the competition in mythic was as easy as in LFR
brave comet
https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481
is that how it was in classic?
golden loom
is that how it was in classic?
yep
brave comet
never pressed envenom or eviscerate?
golden loom
sword rogues do press eviscerate but dagger rogues could get like 1 or 2 casts off
cause sinister strike is 40 energy while backstab is 60 energy
brave comet
crazy
strange tundra
nice overall from you, though the other dps seem to be slacking
we timed it with 3 mins to spare i guess the turbo boost made +15s a joke
and like 5-6 deaths
old lily
Question, is the AP from whetstone worth more than the crit/haste from oil?
balmy condor
bout equal
strange tundra
i just use whetstones coz thats what the majority uses
old lily
ait cheers
was just curious since i usually feel like i could use a bit of haste/crit for ST on bosses
balmy condor
changing your secondaries is most likely not going to impact your ST in any noticeable way
worthy rose
https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481
this is my ideal rotation
feral agate
Heya guys, question please, when i read wowhead's guide on crafted gear it recommands darkmoon sigil etc. But when i sim i have other embellishments recommanded. What should i do really ?
normal mist
Heya guys, question please, when i read wowhead's guide on crafted gear it recom...
The difference is so minimal you can't really get it wrong either way
bright tartan
changing your secondaries is most likely not going to impact your ST in any noti...
how about 40% vers
normal mist
40% extra damage at the cost of not having any other secondary
So still pretty much the same
cunning cloak
If you have 40% vers you should play sub
feral agate
The difference is so minimal you can't really get it wrong either way
thank you mate
languid flint
hi all
does anyone know how to make a weakaura that makes a sound when i get my darkest night?
because i play with full atrocity ui but i tried to add a sound to the darkest night weakaura but it doesnt work
potent raven
np
potent raven
because i play with full atrocity ui but i tried to add a sound to the darkest n...
i can help u
i also use atrocity and added dn myself
w8
can wow load slower
languid flint
hahahahaha yea mine does too and its in my new m.2
potent raven
awit
u wait darkest night or
fuck me i lost that weakaura i made cuz i reimported the new atreocity
just go here and add a new condition
languid flint
ok
languid flint
but i mean if u have visual feedback idk if u need sound but ye
it helps a bit cuz sometimes i jujst go autopilot on 5 combo points
im still learning
potent raven
no vvorries
spiral escarp
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
winged quail
!up
prisma monolithBOT
autumn idol
i also use atrocity and added dn myself
whats dn
potent raven
deez nuts Lol
rotund oak
https://tenor.com/view/rogue-warcraft-wow-gif-11008475980691198481
tbc prepatch waiting room
#mutilateislife
the renataki+tea+cb double mut combo is actually wicked for pvp
flint siren
shy axle
anyone got some tips/ticks for first time gally myth progress that i might not get from the guide?