assassination

[still steppe]

i think u only replace circlet with a myth ring

[coral ibex]

do you actually have all the same items or are you saying you have the same ilvl

[merry marten]

I have myth pacemaker, signet and heroic house of cards

So ye

[coral ibex]

ok ill ask one more time

[still steppe]

as in your rings

[coral ibex]

do you have ALL of the same items

with the exact same total stats

in every slot

compared to these "top loggers"

[merry marten]

I have footbomb myth ring & crafted one which I can recraft in any stats

[coral ibex]

its a simple yes no

do you have the exact same item in every slot

[still steppe]

what are your rings @merry marten

[coral ibex]

if you dont have the same items then your sim wont be the same as theirs

[merry marten]

HC jastor + circlet/myth footbomb/myth crafted one

It is not all about sims

[coral ibex]

[still steppe]

is it...

robot's never wrong

circlet was simming higher until i got myth oab ring

[normal mist]

Jimmy my man

[merry marten]

basically what im asking is if it is worth to sacrifice some mastery into other secondaries

[normal mist]

just sim

if sim says mastery

you use mastery

thats it

[still steppe]

we cant tell u that just trust raidbots

if raidbots say circlet is better then its better even if u overcap on mastery

or u can ping whispyr like 10 times

he'll answer u

[fallow canopy]

sim does millions of iterations we are just monkeys that press keybinds, robot smart robot good

[still steppe]

[golden loom]

looking at DR is kinda whatever since the sim also takes into account DR

(diminishing returns not damage reduction)

[coral ibex]

im still stunned that i asked 4 times if he had the same items and he just kept telling me his trinkets

[still steppe]

yeah i have mythic seaforium and heroic hoc

whats up

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jordymarajj-jodiprnt-gif-20989916

[still steppe]

now that's done sin buff when?

[tropic jewel]

Next Addon, surly

With big improvments etc.

[normal mist]

trixx are you german

[tropic jewel]

SURLY

Yes 😃

[normal mist]

calling Expansion "addon" gave that away

[tropic jewel]

Well true next exp 😀

[normal mist]

you aint wrong, its just funny only germans call it addon

hehe

[tropic jewel]

I mean at some Point they shoild address Rogue since it is the least Played class in wow After evoker

*max lvl

[eager pond]

If simms says "this is better" just take its word
I mean, on my char even myth rings are worse than cyrce because summ of all stats
So.... if you are still unaware, just simm 10 times more and see how everytime bot says "This. Is. Better" (slap not included)

[normal mist]

I don't think they can do much about it

Its been like this since classic

[tropic jewel]

Wasnt Aware of that

[normal mist]

Rogue has been the least played class since classic basically

[tropic jewel]

Maybe they ahould gibe us the mage/shaman treatment

😀

[normal mist]

which is

[tropic jewel]

Like Changing things arround constantly unstill its bad shit broken

[nimble tartan]

if u play rogue still u are a sick weirdo like me

[normal mist]

things changed around

Df was huge for rogue

[tropic jewel]

And still suck

[normal mist]

wdym suck

[tropic jewel]

Df was FUN and yes I still Play Rogue

[normal mist]

Yeah but how do rogues suck

[tropic jewel]

The Hero Talents I dont like one of them tbh

[normal mist]

"i dont like" and them sucking are different things

(although they do suck)

[subtle tundra]

MIAU MIAU MIAUUUUUUUU

[normal mist]

Morning varas

[spice spire]

GM

[subtle tundra]

its like 8 pm

[tropic jewel]

But as i said I Play every spec and I Like Rogue but its was harder than playing other classes

[subtle tundra]

but thanks

[tropic jewel]

*way

[normal mist]

i dont see the issue

some classes are easier and more flashy (im looking at you BM hunter and Ret paladins) and do good dmg without much effort yeah

but that doesnt not take away my enjoyment of mastering my class/spec

[jaunty sky]

Yeah all i wish for is to remove tedious elements from the specs or hero trees

Kingsbane getting parried, deathstalkers mark staying on a dead enemy for some reason, fatebound in general..

[normal mist]

kingsbane cant be parried anymore

[nimble tartan]

real

[normal mist]

fatebound was a flop for sure

[rotund oak]

ruined seliathan's narrative

[hallow glade]

dying with darkest night up

https://tenor.com/view/muerto-gif-16250174877271582365

is there any hero talent close to how bad fatebound is

[jaunty sky]

Trickster on outlaw

[normal mist]

i would love to tell you, if i played other classes

[hallow glade]

besides deathstalker

[sudden brook]

deathstalker feels good

[limpid flume]

Not really

[sudden brook]

I love deathstalker

Its so fun

[jaunty sky]

Which is especially funny cause outlaw is stu k between fatebound and trickster

[rotund oak]

fateounds isnt half bad for sin,spellsinger feels kinda ass atm for mage and herald of the sun for hpally kinda turbomeh

[hallow glade]

said deathstalker mostly as a joke but its like they designed it entirely around sin and forgot sub needed another hero talent

[jaunty sky]

Deathstalker is cool, it's just missing something to make keeping track of the mark in AoE easier

[rotund oak]

ill bite

ds is fine

[jaunty sky]

I don't think they designed it with mouseover macros or using focus to keep the marked enemy in mind

[sudden brook]

wut

[rotund oak]

u werent baiting

[sudden brook]

ofc I wasn't baiting

I love deathstalker for sin

Its fun

[rotund oak]

gz me i played myself

[fleet patrol]

anyone know the weakaura that has the 2 bars for twist the knife?

[hallow glade]

just make ambush apply deathstalker mark

w/ dispatch

[novel star]

I’m not sure if they fixed it now or not but DS sub was really fucking cancer before

[hallow glade]

still shit

[golden loom]

well dark ranger for BM is like -30% in all content or smthing

[rare jackal]

so with the current raid build we never press FoK in ST unless we are at 6cp with DN up right

[somber sparrow]

been a rogue since 2004 in the closed beta. i remember fighting for getting rid of blinding powder since surely there is dust under our feet we could use to throw in their eye

[rotund oak]

eh sorry to ruin it for u but dispatch is outlaw and outlaw is either trickster or fatebound

[royal lantern]

extremely rare Guy L take (limited edition)

[novel star]

yes, you can also press it for ctw during lingering but it doesn’t matter

dmg neutral

[hallow glade]

thinking of blindside not dispatch 🙈

dispatch is so stupid just call it eviscerate

[rotund oak]

yeah that would be awesome but dispatch isnt from stealth

it lets u use ambush

[hallow glade]

i know, its the names i confused

thats why i said ambush

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound will have its time soon

[jaunty sky]

I cannot wait for u to find out how frustrating it is to play in dungeons

[fallow canopy]

[rotund oak]

was trying to explain how weird it feels in dungeons but u are way faster

[thorn thorn]

I already know

[thorn thorn]

[jaunty sky]

Oh u were out of combat for 15 seconds? Goodbye 7% mainstat, if you're lucky you'll get it back before the end of the dungeon

[rotund oak]

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound will get its rework

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

look at mr fancy over there

actually getting the capstone in he first place

[jaunty sky]

Oh u were on a streak of 6 and flipped 2 coins with double jeopardy? No capstone for u

[runic hinge]

this is my uptime for capstone across 2 keys

cause the log didnt split it

[lunar pond]

Flipping a coin and over 50%. Blizz logic is that this good

[coral ibex]

its a tiny sample

[runic hinge]

I'll show you a tiny sample

add 2 to the m+ cause i just uploaded my keys

[novel star]

surely fb bleed is vault meta

[jaunty sky]

I have a dfc on outlaw where i have 27%

Lost it after first boss, got it back before mine cart section and like halfway through last boss

Good capstone very fun

[runic hinge]

just gamble better!!!!!!

[runic hinge]

FB assa is very chill, no mark to track, no target lock, no forced building to 7 every 4 finishers

[novel star]

[rare jackal]

thanks

[hidden bay]

finish on 5 and just slam envenom

[serene mason]

!tea

[runic hinge]

macro cb to kb

[serene mason]

!shiv

[hidden bay]

!kb

[jaunty sky]

!macro

[hidden bay]

!whispyr

[runic hinge]

moroes dead

[jaunty sky]

He already went home huh

Well earned rest

[hidden bay]

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

[keen spruce]

!herp

[novel star]

it’s ok i’m levelling a ret now for m+ that’ll be chill

too chill maybe

[runic hinge]

Yeah ret is very chill

I like it but then I play for three days and I’m bored

[novel star]

That’s what i’m expecting to happen to me tbh

but

we have a weird dogshit comp and need a brez

[runic hinge]

should be leveling a feral

[novel star]

absolutely not

[runic hinge]

[novel star]

i quit the game before i deal with snapshotting in 2025

[runic hinge]

[novel star]

if they removed that i’d play it

but if they remove snapshotting feral is just boring assa

so they won’t

[last skiff]

pls dont make vision again

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[spice spire]

It’s not even that impactful

[novel star]

Yeah but i’d get sad thinking about it

it’s really a brain skill issue for me

the emotional impact of not snapshotting when i know i could is bigger than the dps loss

[sullen mural]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen mural]

i think

[novel star]

What’s sinful about it

[final star]

[spice spire]

He who is without sin may cast the first stone. Good luck with that one buddy

[novel star]

what’s the matter cissy boy scared your search history might leak?

🤏

aw he’s gone already

[spice spire]

It’s done they were a troll

He posted in all channels

[novel star]

it’s fun to play along with weak trolls sometimes bc they usually just give up

[final star]

I was repenting

hard

and fast

[spice spire]

Wanna repent together kieron or?

[novel star]

most of them haven’t thought far enough ahead to really continue a bit

[final star]

[spice spire]

I dislike hate while using a religion that teaches you to love your fellow man despite differences as a means to validate said hate

[half light]

i need to do the 8 masks runs then farm for that mount and the other one

yesterday I was doing 8 masks pretty well and then before mathias shaw, my RL invited me to raid

it was raid time 😭

had to drop

[haughty flicker]

[shy axle]

whats the play again to not turn forever with the ice debuff on mugzee like sennarth? it just starts and nothing stops it sometimes

[last skiff]

god help you

I only did 6 masks run its was hard enought

[half light]

I think if you pull small packs it is manageable but takes a lot of time

only be careful with the packs at Rexxar in Orgrimmar and the packs at Mathias Shaw cuz the bolstering buff is very annoying, and Hogger hits hard

[last skiff]

extra adds mask make it 100% harder

the cap to 6-7

I need to heal myself with rogue every 2 pack zzz

[spice spire]

Ngl if I 8 mask try we’re going pwar for it

[last skiff]

war ?

[spice spire]

Ye

I’ve my 681 rogue and 680 war

Solo content infinitely easier on war

[last skiff]

I trust you on that

boss are easy with rogue

but the rest..

[bright tartan]

Rogue is the only class with limited healing

30 sec cd for some tomato juice

[native turret]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-pepe-think-pepe-the-frog-wojak-gif-13571840648507225174

[main blaze]

m stands for main

[royal lantern]

"3,4k score on main" -> the main has 3261

[native turret]

how:

[native turret]

its called rounding up sweaty

[sullen mural]

i miss MA

[loud light]

with the mob damage / teeming / bolstering stuff right now, rexxar / mage tower areas involve a lot of standing around waiting for evasion and cloak to be back up

but sanity drain barely exists now with the talent stuff so it's fine, just boring

pulling like a pack of 10 things that spawn hogger without CDs is death though

[humble verge]

he has CE on his main, and its his alt thats connected

[hollow saddle]

Wtf is wrong with Deadly duos, all my aoe bleed stuff dont work LOL, garrot goes on cd

[indigo mulch]

Does Atrophic stack with another rogue? Oo

Someone just told me it did. I didn't think it did

[humble verge]

it does

but it doesnt 2x

[indigo mulch]

o0

[humble verge]

cant remember the what the number is but its something like

1.825x or something

[fleet pagoda]

yep it's bugged right now, can both take atrophic

[humble verge]

wdym its bugged

[fleet pagoda]

is it intended to stack?

[humble verge]

yes

[fleet pagoda]

news to me

[humble verge]

but theres no reason for you to run 2 rogues in a raid f.exp anyways

its not as significant

[fleet pagoda]

sure

still better effect than it not stacking if you happen to have two though

does mind numbing have the same interaction?

[humble verge]

no idea

[gloomy heart]

[balmy condor]

No but it stacks with other classes effects

[thick comet]

should rupture and crimson tempest always be used at max CP? Speaking for M+

[normal mist]

no

5+

[thick comet]

ty 😄

[late ravine]

Rogues I need help, what do I spend my dinar on. I got 8/8 - Its either HOC or pacemaker. My thought is that House of cards has a higher chance to come in vault

[hidden bay]

you pick the highest number

[brave comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brave comet]

hoc

[nova wolf]

is that's what's going on. i did that earlier and thought i was doing something wrong...

[hollow saddle]

Dno, just que with a friend and its easy tho. Got 1.2m instantly.

[fast phoenix]

anyone know why my Jundies profile overwrites nameplates and replaces them with only health bars in raid/dungeon? but in the world it shows names only? Ive tried every setting under the sun I can think of disabling/enabling and cant figure out whats overwriting it

i reinstalled it and cannot figure out whats bricking it

[marsh ferry]

Blizz doesn’t allow friendly nameplates in instances

Only open world

It’s reverting to stock ui

[regal cedar]

How important is master assassin in mplus? Is it that big of a loss to grab iron wire instead?

[spice spire]

Drop double shiv instead

[clever sparrow]

why is everything rainbowish? is there any event up?

[jaunty sky]

Yeah pride month

[clever sparrow]

oh DK server isnt rainbow ish whats going on lol

[clever sparrow]

ahh

dk mains homo?

[jaunty sky]

Ask em idk

[regal cedar]

What if I’m doing kings and build not bleed

[fast phoenix]

then how is everyone else running nameplates lol

even if i disable health bars

[marsh ferry]

Is it enemy nameplates that are having issues?

[spice spire]

Ma fairly big for that one.

[fast phoenix]

no friendly nameplates

plenthy of people run jundies plater profile and have friendly nameplates in dungeon/raids

[dapper cradle]

pull down my jundies

[regal cedar]

Oh so probably not worth dropping anything for tripwire in kings and build

[marsh ferry]

Is it not just stock UI?

[quiet oriole]

Is it possible to have color of nameplates different if they don't have rupture on them? I just copied a buddies plater if anyone has a good profile for the bleed build.

[vague dagger]

any idea how stronk new belt isS?

[solar wyvern]

Won't know till its out tbh, they keep nerfing it

[spice surge]

Its currently fairly bad, but its 100% gonna get buffed to be good

Presumably its like 2-3% like the ring

[vague dagger]

ahh okii

[solar wyvern]

Yeah check back on june 19/20 to see if its been buffed already kekw

[brave comet]

my group is trying to skip gaols, that aligns with none of my cooldowns except a singular kingsbane on myth mug

should i be holding anything at all for that?

[solar wyvern]

When is your phase timing? 330?

Or 3 min exact

If its 3 min then probably just send on cd since you will still get a DM cast in execute

[hidden bay]

just send, logs are irrelevant

[solar wyvern]

Maybe dont dry shiv if you lust at 3 mins since that 3 min KB will stack faster? Idk the math on that one tho

[humble verge]

if youre not raiding, i would go for hoc, since you can swap between assa/sub - since its the highest mastery gain

[rich spindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen mural]

can also put outlaw in there lowkey playable/good

[humble verge]

yea, saw wox using it

[fallow canopy]

Based

[glacial slate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stable cove]

When pooling before KB, do you let envenom drop if needed?

[runic hinge]

If you’re pooling you build to 5 and wait. So yeah you would if you’re not hitting anything for 4 seconds

[autumn idol]

hoc tuah hoc tuah

🙋 guys i got my hoc tuah today

[spice spire]

[inland dirge]

[haughty flicker]

[storm forum]

[winged sun]

Lanille — 2:26 AM

[hoary mist]

[somber sparrow]

stawwp

[coral ibex]

[hoary moon]

[red schooner]

Idk what we're doing I just wanted to be a part of something

[inland escarp]

[pliant remnant]

[last skiff]

[young pebble]

I know timewalk twinking is basically dead but it's apparently still a thing in BT. While back I remember there being a twink spreadsheet that listed a bunch of bis twink pieces. Anyone still have a link to that?

[last skiff]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[last skiff]

wowhead

ah twink

[balmy condor]

brother lowkey if I had to make a twink bis list I would shoot myself

[last skiff]

twink low level or twink lgbt?

[balmy condor]

the regular bis lists make me want to die

[hidden bay]

how about you start being a twink

[prime hull]

For the cleave build it doesnt care about garrote, and since there is no subterfuge or MA, should it only use vanish for reapplying DM/dodging mechanics? Or still worth worth it for IC half duration if the tank chain pulls

[young pebble]

It's easy. Find gear with 2+ sockets for each slot. 🙂

[spice surge]

IC is still huge

[spice spire]

Start?

[hollow river]

try look around on xpoff.com

its like a forum for folks that play twinks

[hidden bay]

#wowheadnews message dead spec dude

last article was 9 days ago

[runic hinge]

The achievement discord had one I think at one point

that’s why I joined there

[nimble tartan]

i can never parse on rik because i spend 6 combo points multiple times kidneyshotting my friends

[runic hinge]

Based

[stable cove]

If low on energy, (this is situational), is it ever acceptable to send kb with envenom not up? In order to preserve cd sync. Or better to envenom first always?

[green vector]

What is it about the bleed build that makes crit sim so much worse. All my sims when using the bleed build is telling me to go out of crit into verse and haste

[waxen oyster]

This one time i put a boomy in a 7s kidney as people were spreading so they got feared from not having anyone nearby after.

lords of dread

[nimble tartan]

i kidneyshotted someone out of my guild on lords of dread

infamously

they crashed out

[waxen oyster]

i had a frost mage leave a top in SL once

because i kicked him during his veins

on xav

[nimble tartan]

lmaooo

[white marten]

I kidney shotted some guildies on echo of neltharion...sadly they didn't think it was as funny as me

no clue why, it's hilarious

[runic hinge]

I would always KS my guild leader

[shy sorrel]

if I raid and use the 2x Shiv build, do I send Shiv into insta KB or do I wait to make sure I don't waste any second on the First shiv
Or do I DM Shiv KB Shiv

[worthy rose]

if youre not using your entire pvp kit in ToP

[waxen oyster]

you wanna know some devious behavior?

[worthy rose]

are you really doing it right

gotta use cloak/evasion/kidney/kick/blind

[waxen oyster]

spam purge your ranged's raid buffs

[worthy rose]

its a whole free for all there

[waxen oyster]

during mcs

[worthy rose]

its every man for himself

thats deviously diabolical

purging buffs

i remember dispelling pally wings

pallies get so tilted

[waxen oyster]

i mean in cata

mages could outright steal

pally wings

[nimble tartan]

there is a clip somewhere of someone on nelth insta dying to my beacon

actually one shotted

[waxen oyster]

oh i beaconed a boomy on echo once

it somehow killed the mage

[drifting charm]

How much haste should I aim for in bleed build?

[worthy rose]

none at all

fuck haste

bleed build youre focusing on aoe damage

if youre aoe'ing with all your bleed syou have mad energy regen alredy

no need for haste

trust

[waxen oyster]

actually know what was super devious

[drifting charm]

Someone in here said haste makes bleeds tick faster, was I jebaited?

[waxen oyster]

when bop used to pacify

bop the bm hunter's pet

during cds

[kind oxide]

Back when SL first started we were running it m0 and I swapped my pvp trinket in and held Vendetta just to MfD and Kidney the guild leader in the duel

[worthy rose]

it doesnt really matter how fast your bleeds tick

[nimble tartan]

what was that one dungeon where u had to step on the slimes to negate the insta death pull

[runic hinge]

It’s true it does but there isn’t specific amount of haste you need. Just sim yourself and wear what the robot says

[nimble tartan]

that one id blind their slime and break it

lmfaoo

[waxen oyster]

dude week1 top

[spice surge]

You can grip or rescue blood beast from DKs out of melee range

Not as important now that theyve been nerfed by 50%

[waxen oyster]

one of our dps used mandate on the pvp duel only

[drifting charm]

Yeah. I was just hoping to see if there was like a “shoot for xyz haste/mast/crit” type thing

[runic hinge]

There isn’t

[nimble tartan]

someone gripped me into the stix stun this week

[runic hinge]

All stats are good

[humble verge]

man

[nimble tartan]

truly fucked up

[humble verge]

actually looking at my mugzee kill

i can just see how ass i really am at the game

[waxen oyster]

ngl i dont pay attention to ranged on stix

get out the way

of my ball

[normal mist]

Read this first line:

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

kinda crazy we now have to stop dps on mug or else we phase him without getting the fly adds D:

[worthy rose]

if you have a choice to stack haste or crit or mastery

always choose crit or mastery

if you have no choice but to take something from the welfare vault that has haste or whatever

then its fine

take the haste

but if its of equal value like a hero track vs hero track

crit mastery better imo

[humble verge]

you guys have haste?

[worthy rose]

i have no haste

coz fuck haste

bleed build has mad energy regen anyway

and if your eworried about single target just blame ur team or friend sfor doing dogshit single target

they should be making up the difference for you

[humble verge]

oh i have more haste than vers

lolle

[hoary moon]

I got a myth hast > mast cloak in vault, the one from floodgate, and my crafted cloak sims higher

Guess the haste is worse than the 3 ilvl of agi

Lmao

[balmy condor]

happens

[humble verge]

damn, you guys managed a quick kill on gally reclear whisp

[balmy condor]

yah

7 pulls

and most of that was just weird deaths on pull

[fleet pagoda]

the mug'zee kill was pretty cool

[balmy condor]

our trial mage just blind one tapped bomb 4

which is crazy

he's never seen gally before, gets the fucking gate slow fall alter time bomb

[nimble tartan]

change to fast strat

[balmy condor]

just does it first try

and we kill

[sullen mural]

pass his trial on the spot

he might be goated

[cerulean walrus]

The MVP

[humble verge]

which is?

[hidden bay]

I wish I would be that good

Only thing I can is running in circles and press FoK

[worthy rose]

some people are just built different

[runic hinge]

Like me (incorrectly)

[worthy rose]

raiding is for noobs

who needs to raid in this day and age

[terse wadi]

Hi im new to wow im playing sub rogue, someone can tell me when can I find a pvp build? im farming arena points. Thanks a lot.

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[humble verge]

im wondering if i should make brownies tomorrow morning

[stable cove]

If low on energy, (this is situational), is it ever acceptable to send kb with envenom not up? In order to preserve cd sync. Or better to envenom first always?

[sonic pagoda]

there is also a website called murlok.io where it will have the top 50 ranked players from certain categories and you can copy their biulds as well

[lethal arrow]

sub rogue pvp advice in the ass rogue chat

[terse wadi]

im playing cataclysm the page is for classic or retail?

[hidden bay]

Technically you can pool before KB. It’s like uh. 0.2% gain or even lower

[sonic pagoda]

oh brother you are in the wrong discord channel

[stable cove]

hm suprises me thats its that small

[hidden bay]

Ideally you want to have envenom buff before going into cds, yes

[stable cove]

i think i just need to pool a little more possibly

i have many 98 mythic parse but my cauldron is like 60 and other rogues are pooling more for the kb cleave

[hidden bay]

Check wowhead guide, there’s a pooling section

[stable cove]

kk ill look ty

[hidden bay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[stable cove]

so if very low energy, lets say 20 energy and ur 8 sec from kb window. worth to let envenom fall off and pool?

im guessing the benefit is multiplied in cleave etc

[hidden bay]

8 seconds seem alot

[stable cove]

ok

ty for input ill look into it more!

[hidden bay]

2-3 as guide says and you are fine

[stable cove]

kk

[hidden bay]

Obviously try to maintain dots, and go with envenom up into cds

[stable cove]

i see 60^ of rogues going shiv no energy cost on sprocket too so many ill try in st

[balmy condor]

oh maintain dots

I see

that's my problem

ty herp

[hidden bay]

If you don’t hit 100% uptime it’s over

[stable cove]

no rupture low prio in st

u let it fall off

[balmy condor]

we don't play improved garrote, but we do play improved ambush

so ambush > garrote

never press garrote

[stable cove]

never

ur low energy anyways

it wont help

[balmy condor]

true actually that's genius

[stable cove]

dm for coaching

[hidden bay]

I forgot to check log from your second kill

[balmy condor]

don't

boss dead

+3 mounts

leave me alone herp I have a wife and kids

[hidden bay]

I already see

[balmy condor]

8:09 is so aids

idk

I deadass could've held dm for both big add sets

and not lost a cast

maybe that's the strat

I don't get this boss lowkey

[hidden bay]

Yea it is

[balmy condor]

I just run my bomb and don't die

[fallow canopy]

Just go for rank 1 boss dmg 😎

[hidden bay]

Actually crazy

8min kill with that many dead

[balmy condor]

check mugzee kill

wait you were there for that yesterday

nvm

you already know

[hidden bay]

That I saw

[balmy condor]

not even close

[hidden bay]

1217/1221

Ain’t no way there were worse kills

LOL

[balmy condor]

nascent my goats

(had to filter to NA/EU only)

23 deaths 6.6mil damage taken per second is insane though

how does one take that much damage

HUH

resto druid just standing in damage or what

that's insane

[inland dirge]

parse strat

[hidden bay]

600mil

[balmy condor]

I understand

[hidden bay]

Yea ok well

[fallow canopy]

Thats a moderate amount of damage

[balmy condor]

just bear form idk

oh they didn't clear their boots

and then slipped into laser

holy

[hidden bay]

Are you ready for bandit re-progress with new people

[balmy condor]

if it's like our gally prog it'll be free

[hidden bay]

I would love to keep chatting but I gotta wake up in 6h

[dapper cradle]

[stable cove]

reprog in reclear is the most fun part of the tier

fraud detected is asmr

[keen spruce]

Hey that’s my guild

[humble verge]

we had a goated cauldron for once, nobody died usually half the raid somehow die every cauldron kill

[winged sun]

uberscot

these bold msgs are haunting

reminds me of ryu's copy pasta spam that he sends every 10 seconds on 2 different channels

[stable cove]

This is one of my worst logs on reclear. Can someone tell me why my energy is constantly too low? Am i envenoming too much? I look at top logs and realized they have wayyyy better energy econ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cNmF146tKgTn8YBa?fight=9&type=resources&source=8&spell=103

[humble verge]

ur mom haunts u at nite

[winged sun]

??

tf does that even mean

[stable cove]

my energy gen looks the same as some top logs so obv im spending too much or smth

[humble verge]

u lost r1 to shindig, mortiz and that chinese dude ooooohooooooooo (ghost sounds)

[runic hinge]

Do they need a rogue

[humble verge]

git gud ross

[runic hinge]

It’s gonna rain every weekend I don’t need to golf I can raid

[winged sun]

i blame brewmaster

we're going back to our old vdh comp

[humble verge]

ok and

shindig is running like

[winged sun]

our main tank is back

[humble verge]

hella weird comp

[winged sun]

well

we're just behind

usually we're top 30 all players

now we're like r200

or someshit

we just tested brewmaster/outlaw for a while

it really sucks balls

[humble verge]

lmaoooooooo

[winged sun]

especially outlaw

[humble verge]

danube

gotta stop boosting zac

smh

boost me instead

[winged sun]

i ddont think people realize how bad outlaw is

[humble verge]

Okayge

[winged sun]

it looks so good on the meters

but

it loses you time so fucking much

[humble verge]

bruh

[winged sun]

it deals good dmg to half the pack

then

when everyone's cd is over

it keeps doing the same dps

the pack lives for 30 more seconds

then

it ends at 10m dps

[keen spruce]

I mean probably we have 3 on rotation that quit and come back all the time kek

[winged sun]

everyone else sent their cds and the cds are over

we end up at

7m

with udk/sin/warrior

we send cds

pack dead

[humble verge]

lol

[winged sun]

bro im hardstuck on r1 boss dam on these 2 bosses

i'll legit never get r1 all dmg because of our shitvoker

[humble verge]

ok bro flex

[winged sun]

[humble verge]

ok now go to bed ross

[winged sun]

[humble verge]

its almostv4qm

4am

[winged sun]

its 6 am here

[humble verge]

ok bro

living off welfare ahh

[runic hinge]

11 weekends in a row I coulda just been mythic raiding instead of looking out the window at the rain

[humble verge]

am jus kiddin

well i need schleeo

schleep

[winged sun]

@keen spruce u need shmeeps?

[keen spruce]

I have enough shmeeps

[stable cove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cNmF146tKgTn8YBa?fight=9&type=resources&source=8&start=1186682&end=1389764&spell=103

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nYg36Adxt4KPa1c7?fight=34&type=resources&source=15&spell=103

can anyone tell me what causes the energy diff in these 2 logs

i will venmo u 3 dollars

one time offer

[balmy condor]

should I dm you my paypal or

[winged sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1380000132711321773/image.png?ex=684248c6&is=6840f746&hm=7ef71a578d8370997796f3347d178c47c437af924a3f7c30621f403b00fc2987&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=663&height=84

should i dm you my paypal or

[balmy condor]

hey woah woah ross

he said one time offer

[winged sun]

oh

one time for both ?

[balmy condor]

one time per person

[winged sun]

[stable cove]

$1.50 each

[balmy condor]

fucked up

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[stable cove]

ok i was like wow my energy use is awful then

ok ill bribe my priests but my guild gives PI to classes that get most out of it. so silly

[winged sun]

well crit gives more energy but thats also not gonna change on a noticeable level in logs+real gameplay

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor was our mugzee kill last in NA?

Or was that just as far as you scrolled

[balmy condor]

yeah, last place execution

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

took the most damage and had the most deaths out of every kill in western servers

[stable cove]

so im guessing its normal to not reach 50 stacks on kb not used during dm?

[balmy condor]

very sick

[stable cove]

or no thats troll

[balmy condor]

yeh

[stable cove]

unfort

i dont like that

i need PI

or smth

[winged sun]

breaking news to all the sin high key pushers out there

[winged sun]

house of cards kinda op in high keys

makes u run shit ton of vers without proccing that shit off signet cuh and u can run alchemical chaos + more burst = padding on smallies

[stable cove]

i been doin that

dm for coaching

[autumn frost]

!mugzee

[humble verge]

what is this "50 stacks" you talk about

[autumn frost]

caustic explanation for raid leader on mugzee that i can dps both

[stable cove]

kb 50 stacks

[humble verge]

i just press kb

[autumn frost]

if i'm not in rock walls

[humble verge]

bam bam

[winged sun]

man

[humble verge]

demeg

[stable cove]

honestly u dont need to worry ab it

[winged sun]

i wish i played sin when kingsbane was 100 stacks

[stable cove]

doesnt change much

[winged sun]

was kingsbane ever uncapped?

[humble verge]

you can

[stable cove]

fraud detected

[balmy condor]

caustic reaches over the walls but they have to be pretty close cause it's 12 yards from the boss, so boss in the middle, jails left/right of it, pray

[stable cove]

fraud detected

[humble verge]

but boss/you have to be vlose enough

close

[winged sun]

sin top dps on goons without going inside

[humble verge]

me rn

[winged sun]

never went inside

[runic hinge]

Yeah I heard that about you

[winged sun]

heard what

[stable cove]

imma start delaying kb a few sec for the add pad

[humble verge]

is this echo strat tho?

[winged sun]

whats echo strat

idk i just dps

[humble verge]

4 jails around mugzee

[winged sun]

no

just 2

[humble verge]

hm ok

[winged sun]

2 close 2 far

[humble verge]

jaja

standard

[winged sun]

idk

if i was maghar i easily do 100k more dps

i think that racial is super overtuned on that fight specifically

i literally jump from like

3.2m to 3.8m in 15 seconds

without maghar that is ^

and maghar is almost a trinket usage

prob should swap back to maghar to parse some bosses

[humble verge]

you use MA on the fight?

[winged sun]

no but maybe i should idk

[humble verge]

idk

[winged sun]

idk if its good

prob not

[humble verge]

it helps with burst sure

i used it on our first kill i think

[winged sun]

idk

[humble verge]

but my dps still ass

[winged sun]

i think i utilize rupture very well in that fight so i think mutilates do alot of dmg

lemme check

[winged sun]

so it prob undersims

alot

[humble verge]

i rupture the fire add

to get energy back tho

idk if u do

also the first uh

frontal add thingy

the guy who flies

[winged sun]

yea it kinda does good dam

but

maybe ur right

MA could do great in that fight

[humble verge]

idk

[winged sun]

anythng that'll make that 15 window stronger will prob crank out the wazoo

[humble verge]

i run MA on like

cauldronz sprocket and mug rn

[winged sun]

also idk how well crit scales in aoe

in that build that is

[humble verge]

jaja

[winged sun]

i think i feel stats well in m+ because i play M+ all the time

im abit clueless with raid stats so i kinda just throw in raidbots

[stable cove]

u sending 2nd kb on mug for cage overlap? (15 sec late)

[winged sun]

yea

[stable cove]

imma yoink that

idk why i didnt earlier lol

as long as my raid doesnt put cages in narnia

[winged sun]

i dont get an extra usage

so

i just slam it there

[random gust]

Hi guys, could recommend dinar choice based on my current gear ?

[winged sun]

cuz why not

also

me delaying kb makes my 4th kb line up with 35% hp

then i send my last 2 mins at like

15%

and boss dies

[humble verge]

probably pacemaker, tho i would sim if myth jastor is better if u can get it

[dense willow]

guys why would anyone take an assa rogue in m+

[humble verge]

stupidity

ross

[winged sun]

idk

[humble verge]

what do u think of 10am brownies ross

does it sound good

[random gust]

If I haven't killed last boss then pacemaker would be the best option for now? how about the weapon from one armed ?

[winged sun]

10 am brownies

wtf

u wanna die or what

[stable cove]

smart

[winged sun]

idk ur guild's kill timer

[dense willow]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[winged sun]

so u kinda have to see how ur dps is

[humble verge]

barely any dps change, pacemaker is gonna be significant - tho sim it id say and look

[stable cove]

prob not great bc we reclearing with trials etc lol

will see ig

[winged sun]

ye idk if u need to delay kb or not

[humble verge]

nah, just wanted to make some

[stable cove]

im gonna n try why not

[winged sun]

i'd do it

even if ur dps is bad (ur guild i mean)

[humble verge]

delay kb

for the cages??

[stable cove]

i delay dm for lust timing anyway so might as well

[humble verge]

wait so u hold 4th kb ross

[winged sun]

no

2nd only

[humble verge]

ok

2nd??

oh nvm

makes sense

man i should do that too wtf

[winged sun]

why am i giving u all ideas

fk u all

[humble verge]

ross

ur gamer

ok

[winged sun]

[humble verge]

y so med

is jus gem

[winged sun]

y so med
is jus gem

[winged sun]

truey

i had a great yapping coaching session earlier

i think i pointed out all the common mistakes that sin rogues miss/dont really do

i may just copy the entire conversation and slam it on chatgbt to make a guide out of it

it wont be really a guide but

ok i reached my yapping limit

time for bed

[humble verge]

kinda off topic, but this is me and women

[winged sun]

[humble verge]

same

ill start sleeping at 420am

wieedd

[worthy rose]

women fell off?

fell off what your dick?

[winged sun]

ngl

no circlet made me realize how stats dont mean shit

legit everything sims the same in one way or another

💀

[elfin valley]

CE achieved, also got a big ol head mount 😛

[hoary moon]

Circlet bad because small number not big nubmenr, when small nuhmer niuh bug nunber bunbh uuusuuuuuuu

[stable cove]

gz!

[spice spire]

V based

[dawn heath]

havent touched my rogue since s1 really with the build u play u dont garrote at all except on bosses?

[winged sun]

U can press it in deathmark and IC window on smaller packs

[graceful bane]

finally free from this bastard

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate crown]

congrats!

[worthy rose]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[slate crown]

don't just paste the convo we want to see your typos and whitty banter

[worthy rose]

i copied this fkn macro

and forgot teh wa

and was wondering why it wasnt working

[slate crown]

do not soil your work with gpt

[worthy rose]

zeross is already soiled

soiled like soylent green

[dawn heath]

do u usually pool both shiv stacks for KB?

and is there any time u wanna empower CT over envenom?

[sick scarab]

/!wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund jungle]

Hey peepz, got a question? when do we wanna play Bleed build vs KB Hybrid nowdays? i dont see anyone playing bleed at all, and even more confusing is that kinda all high roq´s in m+ playin without imp garrote instead they taking Lightweight shiv, TTK and Dashing Scoundrel?

[golden loom]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[rotund jungle]

is this just to do way more focused ST / funnel?

ok wow

point 1 hurts a bit but yea ok i take i 😄

[sharp viper]

best point of advice though

[rotund jungle]

yeah, normaly im more in the game but just started to do some 16´s this season and was curios but will stick to bleed for now.....depending on grp and keyi guess

not spreading garrote just felt strange ^^

[dawn heath]

can u do bubble skip on rogue?

[solar wyvern]

Take off deadly poison, make sure tricks is off.
Wait for the bubbles RP to completely stop (spawns, roars, this is very important to let finish)
poisoned knife and walk to left edge between barricades
bubble bait
walk further back to back of room.
Frontal and sprint past and vanish on bridge

Reequip deadly poison but make sure you're off the bridge since bubbles is closer to the center platform than you'd think

[real bloom]

hi if i check wowhead guide the main section recommends arterial precision build for m+ but if i go to m+ section it recommends DTB builds for all dungeons, which one is the better, what is the truth?

[runic hinge]

!build

[quiet oar]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[real bloom]

ty

[sonic pagoda]

majaority of them do not push m+ as high as 17s thats why blee dbuild is suggested if your comp does not have enough single target you need to swap off bleed build. To cleave or hybrid your choice. It just things start to live to long and your bleeds will still do dmg just youll need kingsbange and things will live long enough for spatter to do the aoe dmg and poison bomb while giving yourself single target dmg.

[humble verge]

no i fell off, unable to talk to women

[grim jay]

Oh no, is Whispyr really going to interact with the m+ build topic again?

Did he potentially abort as he stopped writing?

Realizing the mistake before its too late

[static glacier]

I mean it’s better that we actually acknowledge there’s choice

Too many classes just have one build and refuse to ever consider alternatives

[grim jay]

Its more about what you do with the choice

And at the end of the day, for most people its not a real choice anyways

They will go with what people think is the best

Which usually boils down to 1 build

[static glacier]

I think fi isn’t really an option for most

The other two are a genuine and real choice

[normal mist]

The most important thing to me is that people understand why bleed is recommended vs the other ones for the MAJORITY of the playerbase

[runic hinge]

What is not a choice is fatebound. Did you know you can’t even take double vanish cause you’re locked into cold blood?

[grim jay]

I mean, bleed is slighy better in most scenarios and way less prone to error, so arguably the better build compared to hybrid. Is that really a choice?

The FI build is just niche and probably even only comp dependant at the highest end

Since there are rogues just as high on multiple keys with bleed as with FI

[quiet oar]

In BLeed build

You cant really fail it

[grim jay]

Hope people dont know as that would mean they allocated brain capacity to thinking about anything fatebound related

[runic hinge]

Yeah I think FI is highly comp dependent. If you got some ST crankers it’s probably fine

[soft flicker]

There's a funny reason for it
https://youtu.be/2hQjnAoGgxI?si=j_R42aEahgUUNDCM

[grim jay]

Its not even that much more ST from when I last checked anyways

[runic hinge]

It was like 4% last I checked

Maybe I’ll sim again when I wake up

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Also kinda depends on timings, as in if you get juicy execute DMs n stuff

[runic hinge]

Yeah bleed can get fucked if dm comes up at like 60%

[subtle tundra]

miau miiiaaaau miau miaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[keen spruce]

https://youtu.be/2hQjnAoGgxI

@balmy condor here’s the NA last place mugzee vid

[balmy condor]

I know

[keen spruce]

They said you’d like it

[balmy condor]

if you scroll up slightly

just a lil

[keen spruce]

Oh lmao

Hi @soft flicker

[grim jay]

My mother will get herself a new cat in a few months after our trusty companion died christmas 2023. I already know I will love that little guy

Or girl

[balmy condor]

it's okay, I expect nothing less from the NA last place execution mugzee guild member

[soft flicker]

I just linked it!

[runic hinge]

[golden loom]

wtf the song pops off

[soft flicker]

Pen (our tank) makes the lyrics and AI music for all kills

There are some sick jams

[golden loom]

banger

[soft flicker]

If you ever heard the "Kyveza song" during prog that was his too

[spice spire]

I hardly know er

[quiet oar]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-bigfellerjake-skippe-space-i-think-gif-26908844

[spice spire]

GM tira

[normal mist]

Gm quake

[spice spire]

GM Royal

[normal mist]

TOTAL

[spice spire]

Dog listen

It’s 3:30

[normal mist]

Lies

09:29

[golden loom]

Lies

[quiet oar]

Its 10:29

[golden loom]

11:29

[normal mist]

Okay this was funny

[spice spire]

Sorry 3:29 CST (-6)

[quiet oar]

Gm quake and Royal

[runic hinge]

4:30

[normal mist]

Bro why do you have to do math

[quiet oar]

GN QUake too

[runic hinge]

Gn

[quiet oar]

GN tony

[red schooner]

Gn goat

[spice spire]

Gn? Dog I’m up wdym

GM

[normal mist]

Guys I need relationship advices

[spice spire]

You can either be happy or right

[normal mist]

Andy is getting jealous of the way I talk to my YET to be born child

[quiet oar]

Wait why do you wake up at 3:30 am

[quiet oar]

Say the cute things you say to your baby and say it to andy

and whisper "i meant the baby"

So she gets compliments

and you know it was directed to the baby

[spice spire]

Lot to do rn. Haven’t worked out in almost two weeks because I’ve been sick and I’m working every day until next Saturday

[spice spire]

What trimester is she in

[quiet oar]

Bro Grinding hard