tbh the first +19 pov I clicked on just sent KB only
#assassination
royal lantern
is it entilted or something like that if i just expect more from blizz in the first place there? legit question
burnt juniper
tbh the first +19 pov I clicked on just sent KB only
mmmmm cool cool
golden loom
not the end of the world either way so idk
burnt juniper
yeah because even just KB and your envenoms into that target are destroying it really quick already
the last time i tried it i think my KB mob only lived just long enough for KB to have it's last tick
golden loom
yeah because even just KB and your envenoms into that target are destroying it r...
yeah zeross also just sent KB in a +20 log im looking at now so ignore my previous statement 
balmy condor
is it entilted or something like that if i just expect more from blizz in the fi...
I mean compared to blizzard/gaming companies from 10-15 years ago? Nah
Compared to 2020 gaming industry? I think this sort of thing is pretty normal these days, release some half baked shit and fix it over a long time is sorta just the standard as much as it’s cringe
burnt juniper
yeah zeross also just sent KB in a +20 log im looking at now so ignore my previo...
haha awesome! i appreciate your help
haughty flicker
i heckin love modern gaming
red schooner
i heckin love modern gaming
I love it when I buy games 3 years later in a steam sale for dirt cheap with all of the big fixes
haughty flicker
real
red schooner
Got cyberpunk for like £20 this year, good game
Thank fuck I didn't buy it at launch
burnt juniper
i swapped to cleave from bleed this week, was worried it would be a struggle bus
but it's not bad, literally just raid build with IC and CT
so no learning curve at all
haughty flicker
Thank fuck I didn't buy it at launch
the only game ive bought at launch in the last 5 years is oblivion remaster
because the jank is the fun of bethesda games
red schooner
the only game ive bought at launch in the last 5 years is oblivion remaster
Clair Obscur for me, and also promise mascot agency which I forgot about
red schooner
But paradise is an indie game so they tend to be safer
red schooner
heard nothing but good things
It is VERY good
subtle tundra
game is bad regardless
marble hemlock
@royal lantern @stuck knoll https://girlcockx.com/OwlcatGames/status/1929593164241031450
new owlcat game
rumours atm are that its either an The Expanse game or Stargate
red schooner
Owlcat where's my game using the pf2e system as a base. Pls.
haughty flicker
stargate would go hard
marble hemlock
this is definitely giving me some The Expanse vibes
but the little video also seems to mention Osiris, which is why people are guessing Stargate 
hearty seal
Owlcat where's my game using the pf2e system as a base. Pls.
not this year
probably not even the next year
red schooner
I want to believe
indigo mulch
I mean if they are announcing it now its prob minimum 3 years away 😄
hearty seal
I mean if they are announcing it now its prob minimum 3 years away 😄
nah they tend to announce stuff like
a year before release, maybe a year and a half?
royal lantern
do you own key
potent raven
i got on my dk and got into a key within 2 mins
and its around 3300 rio
my rogue is3332
its just crazy
cinder mountain
we need soloq
potent raven
yep
also ppl in lfg searching for outlaw
in top/rookery for some rzn
when they have an uhdk in their comp already
just weirdos
haughty flicker
kind of based tbh
potent raven
who coming im trynna make 3 rogue comp
its hardet oget into a key than it was during dragonflight
grim jay
Because a billion people have "high rio" rn
Atleast in their mind
So most of them get really selective
gritty laurel
the "do ksm and aotc then fuck off for the season" life is peaceful
wide ferry
^^
royal lantern
Owlcat where's my game using the pf2e system as a base. Pls.
pf 2e or a starfinder game
its all i want man
normal mist
the "do ksm and aotc then fuck off for the season" life is peaceful
Right?!
jaunty sky
the "do ksm and aotc then fuck off for the season" life is peaceful
I cannot wait to play PoE until at least S3
torpid sleet
i dont think you are right on this one but i get what you say
jaunty sky
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
torpid sleet
double vanish build has terrible st and prio dmg
torpid sleet
well yea but if your doing higher keys you need that boss dmg
doing more aoe is most of the times useless
royal lantern
double vanish build has terrible st and prio dmg
it has the same st and more prio unless you do giga high keys mate
royal lantern
^ that aswell
torpid sleet
hmm okay yes i guess
royal lantern
if you have a arcane mage, you dont really play prio dmg
if you have a unholy dk + boomkin, you dont really want giga aoe and go more prio/boss dmg instead
high keys are comp based, not a "this is objectively better"
kind forge
burnt juniper
double vanish build has terrible st and prio dmg
i think people confuse the fact that bleed has less prio than cleave into summarizing that bleed has bad prio
when you still have more prio than most other specs in the game
it just doesn't have the insanely busted prio cleave has
i'm playing both builds atm, and my. group wants me on bleed for some keys for iron wire
and i have to say running w/o a boomy, iron wire does a LOT of heavy lifting
spice surge
Its fairly similar prio during cds, since the double bleeds from DM does way more
But envenom does less so outside of DM youre not prioing as much
burnt juniper
yeah singular focus does hard work as bleed
shy axle
how do you do you aoe opener with that new build? just (if no mark yet) ambush -> gar (even without giving more cp/dmg, just for the energy?) -> fok and rupture until 5 -> Ct and normal hybrid splatter cleave or do you ditch gar completely and just use fok for everything
shy axle
whats the reason to use it at the end?
burnt juniper
so you would be doing like a 3-4 CP rupture if you did ambush>garrote
slate crown
Edit Mode is an example of them doing this well. Not making a claim to the rest of the conversation because holy hell this discourse but just want to say I disagree very specifically about Edit Mode. I think it was pretty good on release, and has only gotten better, with the first few iterations happening relatively quickly after releasing it.
burnt juniper
whats the reason to use it at the end?
it's also less valuable to be spreading garrote with cleave build during IC
you want to get out your ruptures asap first
that's the most important thing
6 secs of IC is tight, so you gotta do ruptures first
haughty flicker
the only thing edit mode still needs is the ability to hide bars unless you mouseover them
then its great
slate crown
Snapshotting auras are extremely mild in comparison to things like liquid raid packs, the latter of which I believe to be more the problem blizzard wants to curb stomp.
slate crown
the only thing edit mode still needs is the ability to hide bars unless you mous...
Also the option to disable stance swapping bars for stealth
Like they even released it with the ability to import/export
shy axle
thank you @burnt juniper. Good to know it is still worth to cleave it once during IC after your ruptures, even without all the talents buffing it
burnt juniper
thank you <@146180393941336064>. Good to know it is still worth to cleave it onc...
i'm honestly not even sure if it's worth pressing garrote during IC or if it even makes a big difference, but i try to do it if i have enough time
my main focus is on getting out 5-6 ruptures, anything else extra on top is gravy
burnt juniper
i'm usually on par or beating rets
while doing WAY more funnel
ret is the ultimate padding the meters dmg
woeful lantern
Without speccing into CT how do we get more barrel damage on Rik Reverb?
My raid leader said "top sin rogues are doing up to 25% of their damage to barrels, no way its just good spawns."
To which looking at logs it seems its just good spawns with CS damage, but i guess im looking to improve my barrel damage
fresh kelp
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtlety.
haughty flicker
Without speccing into CT how do we get more barrel damage on Rik Reverb?
My ra...
its just good spawns
- tanks moving boss onto barrels
obsidian marlin
it’s tank positioning for you
haughty flicker
tell your raid leader to look at how much of that damage is caustic
and realize its 100%
maybe some rupture snipes and poison bombs
little tulip
yeah having good pylon management is key but also top dps is what like 2.5-3m on rik?
its gonna mangle your rotation/ramp time most kills
royal lantern
ret is the ultimate padding the meters dmg
all keybinds of a ret paladin get automatically replaced with Divine Storm the second a 2nd healthbar enters their field of vision
haughty flicker
all keybinds of a ret paladin get automatically replaced with Divine Storm the s...
me on first boss dfc
little tulip
we do that 3x2 strat and those narnia barrels are just grrrr
royal lantern
me on first boss dfc
pressing CT everytime new adds spawn is ethical dmg
haughty flicker
real
royal lantern
ignore that the ct dot on the boss is fully buffed and at 14seconds
solar wyvern
i'm honestly not even sure if it's worth pressing garrote during IC or if it eve...
Im almost convinced you never press garrote unless you want your prio mob dead even faster and only during DM. And even then, you're losing a global not pressing fok/envenom
Obviously for the hybrid FI build
little tulip
garrote isn't great keypress
burnt juniper
r u playing/pshing again
kind of yes 😉
burnt juniper
Im almost convinced you never press garrote unless you want your prio mob dead e...
yeah that was kinda my feeling too
solar wyvern
On 3 target boss maybe
burnt juniper
that 1 global pressing garrote feels like turbo dogshit
solar wyvern
Like goren with 2 crushers
Thats a lot of energy so its probably worth
But at 5+ targets? Ehhh
burnt juniper
very true
potent raven
kind of yes 😉
good
little tulip
i tried juggling garrote on first boss on priory cause lmao, its just energy regen
potent raven
u are forever here.
little tulip
idk it sounds like a good idea because sudden demise but sanguine and also hybrid zug zug or something
solar wyvern
For priory boss specifically I can see it since it replicates the damage so you're not "wasting dps"
But iirc in 2 target you dont garrote the other target
solar wyvern
Also nowadays we pull in both lynx packs on the sides into that boss one by one so infinity funnel
little tulip
it does?
burnt juniper
yes everything you do to both targets kills the boss faster
little tulip
thought it was just a dummy for fok etc
burnt juniper
it's not padding
burnt juniper
Also nowadays we pull in both lynx packs on the sides into that boss one by one ...
yeah i talked my tank into doing that, i love it
solar wyvern
Its VERY scary on 20 I will say
burnt juniper
that boss takes a fucking eternity so you need all the extra help you can get
solar wyvern
Usually sap a potshot guy so we only have to deal with 1 during radiance aoe and leaps
burnt juniper
haha half the time someone breaks the cc
i dunno how
people can't control their fingers
get too itchy to try to top overall
solar wyvern
The second pack idk what we're doing yet, we play bear so it may just be a deal with 2 angle
Ursols the lynxs on boss and pray
burnt juniper
their leaps are scary
solar wyvern
their leaps are scary
Ursols makes it free and if you're all stacked they don't jump
burnt juniper
Ursols makes it free and if you're all stacked they don't jump
we don't have a druid /cry
solar wyvern
Its really just potshots and using stuns on them during the frontal
So they dont leap
burnt juniper
oh they don't jump if you're all stacked? that's good to know
solar wyvern
Well if you're stacked on them specifically like the moleherds in dfc
solar wyvern
Who are you playing with rn btw?
burnt juniper
i'm playing with friends who have never gotten title before
ret/enh/vdh
so i'm gonna be real, i'm behind because i'm playing with them
but i'm having fun
solar wyvern
Ah I don't know them personally but i have seen them in lfg from time to time haha
solar wyvern
I just remember you posting a ss of a hunter I knew so i was curious if it was team or pug
burnt juniper
what i've been doing is getting IO from pugging and helping them get resil
scarlet orbit
all keybinds of a ret paladin get automatically replaced with Divine Storm the s...
I thought that also applied to fury warriors. But we had one in our guild who did not press whirlwind once on aoe fights
burnt juniper
I just remember you posting a ss of a hunter I knew so i was curious if it was t...
probably a pug
solar wyvern
Ah yeah I've been getting a loooot of dms now that im resili 19
A blessing and a curse ig?
burnt juniper
huge!
solar wyvern
Im always happy to play tho so it doesn't bother me i just enjoy the game
golden loom
based gamer gaming
burnt juniper
it feels a bit shitty because i'm a title caliber player who's fallen behind, so i'm probably -100 IO than if i was full degen pugging like i used to
solar wyvern
What io are u rn?
burnt juniper
3582
random gust
Hi guys which build should I use for 10~12 key runs ?
solar wyvern
Ah thats not even bad
burnt juniper
not abysmal, but yeah
solar wyvern
!bleed
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
random gust
thanks !
burnt juniper
i would play bleed tbh, the cleave build feels really bad when your prio target dies in 5 seconds
solar wyvern
Thats 17s? Or 16s into 17s range?
solar wyvern
Ah i c i c, yeah 18s is where things start getting punishing
Like a wipe will actually end the key
burnt juniper
yeah dude the jump from 17-18 feels quite big
solar wyvern
Yeah they changed scaling with guile being removed
So 18s are now last seasons 19s
The jump from 18 to 19 is even bigger
And 19 to 20 crazy
burnt juniper
BUT at least it hasn't started approaching that difficulty i felt from previous seasons doing title keys haha
burnt juniper
The jump from 18 to 19 is even bigger
oh yeah i can imagine
solar wyvern
20s are actual dps check
random gust
When playing bleed build, do I have to Garrote and Rupture to every single target ?
solar wyvern
Like first time this season we've been challenged on time and not mistakes
burnt juniper
When playing bleed build, do I have to Garrote and Rupture to every single targe...
as many as possible ideally
during IC
solar wyvern
When playing bleed build, do I have to Garrote and Rupture to every single targe...
Improved garrote, during subterfuge/MA/IC
random gust
IC ?
solar wyvern
Indiscriminate carnage
burnt juniper
^
solar wyvern
Your aoe bleed spreader
random gust
oh ~ thanks
burnt juniper
bro my group told me "we won't ever reach the point of needing to optimize for damage getting title"
and i was like
ok
this is talk from a perspective of never done title range keys
right here
burnt juniper
oh yeah i can feel it already
but at least it doesn't feel like ceiling territory yet
which is good
fresh kelp
this is talk from a perspective of never done title range keys
im pretty sure last season we just bungled our way around and got it
i dont think u super need to optimize
burnt juniper
im pretty sure last season we just bungled our way around and got it
i half pushed last season so i never got to title range keys 😉
i think the highest i did was 15?
solar wyvern
I mean tbh last season was, "what mechanic does my tank flop to?"
burnt juniper
haha true
solar wyvern
And if they dont flop congrats you have title range
burnt juniper
but i can't wait for my group to reach the point of making it to the end of a key with very few mistakes and still not having enough time
solar wyvern
This season is MUCH more on the dps for sure
fresh kelp
i remember our eventual final NW our tank was still unaware the bleed guys put a max hp reducing debuff
burnt juniper
and then the sudden realization
solar wyvern
And healer to an extent
fresh kelp
so he was just tanking it with 30% max hp
solar wyvern
Lolll
burnt juniper
This season is MUCH more on the dps for sure
oh yeah
fresh kelp
and then our healer's gear broke on stitchflesh
and he healed it with 5 red pieces
meme season fr
burnt juniper
and then our healer's gear broke on stitchflesh
LOL
this is why i have over 200 repair bots in my bags
solar wyvern
Truth
burnt juniper
i'm the designated repair botter for my raid and push group
burnt juniper
dude i failed a DFC once because the tank was mid demolish while the first fear went out on candle king
everybody panic kicked
and then we had 0 kicks for the next fear
so we all get feared and wipe
gg
solar wyvern
Oof
solar wyvern
Prophethood on NA
burnt juniper
potent raven
bro got fans
solar wyvern
Iirc
burnt juniper
it's a little frustrating because i know i could be higher
burnt juniper
but i'm pushing now for fun
rotund oak
Snapshotting auras are extremely mild in comparison to things like liquid raid p...
to my understanding is that they wont discriminate between those two,they'd rather have hekili than private auras and packs that enhance game understanding to its core.From simple rotational stuff to raid warnings,pvp etc
solar wyvern
Im just a knower hehe
burnt juniper
that i've tried to quit pushing since like... S4 of DF
potent raven
id kill for a team
i quit for an entire season
s1 tww
now im back
to pugging and losing my mind
burnt juniper
and every time i say i'm quitting everyone's like "YEAH SURE OK BUDDY"
potent raven
iirc yeah bleed simmed haste
but i havent simmed the cleave
just got all mast/crit
rotund oak
vers/mast for m+
solar wyvern
Crit mast is fine, but for hybrid versa value goes way up
rotund oak
works for sub as well
drifting charm
Not sure why I didn’t think about extra haste for bleed….
rotund oak
😉
solar wyvern
Wayyyy too much crit
potent raven
y not
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
Your priory is probably giving you crit instead of mastery just from eyeballing your stats
solar wyvern
If your pacemaker procs what is your crit value? Cause it can cap you higher than your mastery and make signet give crit instead
rotund oak
I don’t have a myth wep , I was contemplating going 2nd wep too…
literally wasted a spark
rather craft a ring instead
potent raven
If your pacemaker procs what is your crit value? Cause it can cap you higher tha...
ah
thats true
yea ill swap a ring then
for vers/mast or something
solar wyvern
You'd probably gain value by doing that ye
golden loom
what are your raitings
solar wyvern
Versa very good with cleave, haste very good for st/bleed build
little tulip
charrend have you gotten rid of cyrces? its rookie q but yeah
p sure its with us all season but making sure
rotund oak
just sim it
golden loom
I will finally be able to drop cyrces tomorrow when I can buy myth track jastors 😍
rotund oak
vs a myth track ring
potent raven
super vers heavy ring
little tulip
ye double myth was -2k dps loss no way
rotund oak
aint no way
solar wyvern
Must be low mastery so circes is compensating if i had to guess
rotund oak
yeah
golden loom
I only had 1 myth track ring and crafted has been like -0,5% or something for me
rotund oak
only explanation actually
little tulip
nope mastery is like...63%, it's def my highest stat
lemme see if server is still on
rotund oak
it feels wrong to me that u crafted a 2nd wpn instead of a ring tbh but whatever
nocturne quail
i could only replace with jastor
golden loom
i could only replace with jastor
same, myth jastor is like 1,3% better for me aswell 
solar wyvern
charrend have you gotten rid of cyrces? its rookie q but yeah
My sub gear is identical to assa except trinket
indigo mulch
buff assa.
little tulip
haven't simmed a vers mastery ring but that might be replacement, boots are crit/vers cause lmao outlaw but
sorry no item tags but its close tm to wowhead bis
solar wyvern
Oh at that ilvl you probably keep circes. But its always best to just sim it
little tulip
yeah figured
solar wyvern
And im gonna pray your stuff is enchanted and it just doesn't show on ui haha
little tulip
golden loom
jastor gonna pop off 
indigo mulch
drifting charm
Oh at that ilvl you probably keep circes. But its always best to just sim it
What ilvl ish do you say we drop circies?
frigid kestrel
I dropped mines at 682 I think
solar wyvern
What ilvl ish do you say we drop circies?
Honestly whenever the sim says so, probably max 8/8 myth and its only a small gain
The stamina is the real gain haha
random gust
when playing bleed build, if the mobs have about 30% hp left, do I have to still apply bleed to all mobs? or should I just focus on prio target and do the rotation ?
solar wyvern
Yeah reapply bleeds
drifting charm
Oh shit…. Yeah I don’t have a myth piece and am fully upgraded at 674.8 (I wanna throw up)- and not using it.
Should prolly put it back on
random gust
if I don'y have ambush, should I reapply each mobs ?
drifting charm
I feel like it sims circies big wrong tho?
golden loom
I feel like it sims circies big wrong tho?
no?
solar wyvern
No it shouldn't
golden loom
just have the correct gems in and it sims as it should
drifting charm
Okay, just got talked in to it simming it wrong by a buddy I suppose.
solar wyvern
if I don'y have ambush, should I reapply each mobs ?
You should always have 5 ruptures going at the very minimum, crimson tempest. Everything else is discretionary, but ruptures will provide more value than envenom in bleed talents
random gust
thanks
little tulip
it's "700ilevel" but yeah raw stats probablly outweigh mastery buff it provides
spice surge
it's "700ilevel" but yeah raw stats probablly outweigh mastery buff it provides
If it does theyll just buff it until it doesnt
waxen oyster
damn brown orc that much higher huh (not really)
What im more surprised by is
undead is worse than vulpera
according to this
normal mist
Okay, just got talked in to it simming it wrong by a buddy I suppose.
Is your friend a rogue and is he here with us?
waxen oyster
tbh if your spec likes mastery
and it doesnt dislike any stats
hard to beat circe
jaunty sky
Yeah 6.2k mastery plus 800 of every other substat is insane
drifting charm
Is your friend a rogue and is he here with us?
lol nope.
royal lantern
undead is worse than vulpera
and vulpera has flips
and you know the rule
flips = +4% dps overall
haughty flicker
sullen mural
Dwarf my beloved
Just helps so much with rogues weak point being dots
I do wish you could just chose your racial and play whatever for asthetics
but blizzard bad
little tulip
man i wish we could like buy racial abilities...now that u mentioned that
potion of dorf etc
like once a season
red schooner
Dwarf my beloved
Troll my beloved.
little tulip
during clash did you stand between bosses and fok? lose deathmark etc
molten willow
no I chose one side
little tulip
yeah go be the sandwich meat and uh fok spam
don't run cheat death etc and use defensives so you dont grief too hard if you eat a hit
red schooner
if anyone has a chance could I get a fellow rogue tell what I messed up here
Yeah your cooldowns are kinda fucked
molten willow
yeh that was hella sloppyu
native turret
Lmao
red schooner
First thing I noticed
native turret
If you outta sync your cooldowns you will do tank damage
molten willow
true
red schooner
Then your next set of cooldowns was like, 3 and a half minutes in
haughty flicker
Step 1 to learning assa: deathmark shiv kingsbane
red schooner
So you're just delaying CDs massively when on that boss you can just send them
haughty flicker
Step 2: ?
native turret
You should be sending cooldowns on just about every fight instantly
red schooner
That's the main thing I'd look into
haughty flicker
Well
little tulip
we don't vanish in raid except to move deathmark now right?
haughty flicker
Get bleeds up
molten willow
Step 1 to learning assa: deathmark shiv kingsbane
I get sad when I put my kingsbane before shiv
red schooner
we don't vanish in raid except to move deathmark now right?
Depends on your build
molten willow
IO know im not supposed to but sometimes accident
haughty flicker
Use envenom
native turret
If you send cooldowns appropriately and keep your cpm up your dam will skyrocket
haughty flicker
Then go into cds
native turret
Yes vanish is only used to move your dot
potent raven
hello sexy assassin rogues individuals
red schooner
MA, you vanish, VV, no vanish
molten willow
ok so for that I just need to sync better and not fumble those
native turret
Well some shivs are gonna be dry but you can also just send every cooldown on cooldown and be fine.
molten willow
because on this one I did hella better is this closer to what it should look like ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NGDTZ6cv94YrQ2FC?fight=19&type=casts&source=2&view=timeline
amber brook
We FOK on 2 targets? or is it only cauldron
native turret
We always be fokking
molten willow
FoK for sure when you get clear the witness proc
golden loom
We FOK on 2 targets? or is it only cauldron
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
golden loom
so u pretty much only FoK on 2 targets when u have a clear the witness proc
amber brook
one time only though
golden loom
yeah
red schooner
because on this one I did hella better is this closer to what it should look li...
Slightly but, still messed up a bit
amber brook
The above guy said fok spam which i got confused by
red schooner
Get rid of that ambush and you'll be fine
little tulip
no yeah it's just caustic
i only have a 54 parse on mythic cauldron for some reason
red schooner
Deathmark shiv kingsbane -> shiv at 8s left
little tulip
but yeah raid aoe wowhead spec
molten willow
I think that ambush was a proc
golden loom
don't run cheat death etc and use defensives so you dont grief too hard if you e...
why are we not running cheat death what
native turret
Also don't magnet unless lingering darkness is up
little tulip
git good
native turret
why are we not running cheat death what
Rogues don't die in raid why u need cheat
red schooner
I think that ambush was a proc
You still have to manually hit it which you shouldn't have done, but it's closer to what you need to do!
golden loom
you dont die cause u run cheat death
haughty flicker
Why would you not run cheat in raid
native turret
Nahhh we just don't die
haughty flicker
Wtf are you using elusiveness on
native turret
I take the least amount of damage in every fight
amber brook
Wtf are you using elusiveness on
Last season kyveza kek
little tulip
acoustic roost
Healers hate this man
haughty flicker
Last season kyveza kek
molten willow
You still have to manually hit it which you shouldn't have done, but it's closer...
so I deathmark - shiv at 8 seconds left of deathmark then kingsbane vanish envenom?
amber brook
cloak and elsuive goes hard last season
golden loom
yeah I would also hate my dps if they are feinting on CD blowing away energy for no reason
golden loom
so I deathmark - shiv at 8 seconds left of deathmark then kingsbane vanish enven...
no
shy creek
Deathmark - Shiv - KB all in a row
golden loom
and then when first shiv runs out you shiv again
shy creek
Then you cover the last 7 seconds of deathmark with your second charge of shiv
native turret
Dearhmark shiv kingsbane shiv kingsbane deathmark shiv kingsbane
More shivs but
You get the idea
amber brook
Shivs darkest night
haughty flicker
Envenom envenom envenom envenom envenom envenom envenom envenom
native turret
I'll shiv your night
amber brook
garrote garrote rupt
native turret
yeah I would also hate my dps if they are feinting on CD blowing away energy for...
Why would healers hate healing someone less monkaS.
They don't care about your dps never have never will
molten willow
Is it viable to run the Hybrid M+ build in raid
native turret
No
little tulip
good point thought i should just let the healers do more work
molten willow
gotcha what about bleed build?
native turret
I'm actually never hitting feint on reclear now
golden loom
no
little tulip
yea
golden loom
u play raid build in raid
native turret
If they ask why I'm pointing to uwu
golden loom
If they ask why I'm pointing to uwu
based
molten willow
You know what I miss in M+
red schooner
Why would healers hate healing someone less monkaS.
I like giving them something to do, they look bored
native turret
Going cheat death and unbinding feint
molten willow
BFA rogue had that one thing where your FoK would echo off other targets
native turret
Trueee
shy creek
Is it viable to run the Hybrid M+ build in raid
If the reason youre asking is becayse you find yourself comfortable in the mythic+ build, youll learn that assa raid is very easy
molten willow
I wish they could bring that back in
molten willow
If the reason youre asking is becayse you find yourself comfortable in the mythi...
I feel pretty good in ST or m+
I jsut need to stop fukin up my rotation
native turret
Assa raid build kinda brain dead
golden loom
also I press feint, but idk why you would ever run elusivness in raid
little tulip
:nodders:
golden loom
like stuff is AoE
molten willow
I am very comfortable with the m+ build
native turret
also I press feint, but idk why you would ever run elusivness in raid
Gotta be bottom on dtps chart
molten willow
its mainly what I do
golden loom
but like what non AoE things are there to feint in raid even
unless ur tanks are dead and you are feinting tank busters
molten willow
Fein Fein Fein
spice surge
but like what non AoE things are there to feint in raid even
Most fire puddles on the ground
But besides though pretty much nothing
potent raven
i just died to last boss in floodgate
appaently if u stay right in the boss hitbox
the aoe hits u instantly
amber brook
cheat death once it procs
potent raven
never knew
shy creek
the aoe hits u instantly
yea its cringe
little tulip
oh fun fact you can cloak the sparks on floodgate last
most of you probably knew that
native turret
Cheat death doesn't even stop a lot of the one shots.
little tulip
just stand there and absorb them for the homies
potent raven
cheat death is so bad in keys
golden loom
we are talking about raid
potent raven
sorry
amber brook
Survive a stix bomb just cause you're built diff
spice surge
Some keys cheat is fine
Like DFC or workshop
Or rather, elusiveness doesnt do much in those
So might aswell play cheat
true tapir
Like DFC or workshop
I mean candle king kinda needs elusiveness at high key level no?
potent raven
nahh needs an insane healer lmao
spice surge
Its not 40% + 20%
Its 20% when the 40% doesnt work
So if the 40% already works (which it does on everything barring stray casts in dfc)
little tulip
reduces non area of effect damage by 20% sounds good
royal lantern
and the 40% work against most things you dont think it would work against
spice surge
Elusiveness feint does nothing
amber brook
TIL this
royal lantern
TIL this
if elusivness was 40%+20% dr, it would be waaay to powerfull
that would be a mage talent
amber brook
def
native turret
Just play outlaw and have feint going whole key tbh
spice surge
Well as outlaw you have to play cheat so you can press killing spree
royal lantern
like, feints dr works against a good chunk of things where the application is "aoe" allready
even the dot part
amber brook
gotta cast it b4 the cast or does during the dot work as well
spice surge
Its just random if a spell is counted as aoe or not
Bee boss in meaderys big aoe pushback? Not aoe
Let it hail on last boss meadery? Not aoe
royal lantern
Its just random if a spell is counted as aoe or not
the bee boss in meadery pushback group dmg is no aoe right
you said the same thing
little tulip
idk at the start of the season it made sense to press feint more, elu has that writing that makes it sound like mini dr button
honest oxide
is the dungeon slice sim for ass worth running?
little tulip
also all of last season
native turret
Bee boss in meaderys big aoe pushback? Not aoe
Let it hail on last boss meadery?...
Wait a minute those aren't aoe wtf
honest oxide
i know it varies spec to spec
spice surge
And the zaps on last boss floodgate are aoe
And the dot from soaking orbs in priory also aoe
nova aspen
haughty flicker
pasta pepe
molten willow
Is it ok for me to throw knife as a top of to getting max combo points if I dont want to over combo
haughty flicker
no
spice surge
No, you should never cast throw knife
little tulip
its overworld spell for the meme
or like throw knife at goren cause that guy's a dorf
molten willow
Ah man I was hoping it would add to my rotation
spice surge
Even if you are out of range of a boss, its better to save the energy
molten willow
ok
honest oxide
ur gonna overcap combo points a lot BC of deathstalkers mark re application
molten willow
ok so its just gonna happen
honest oxide
yeah
amber brook
toss it at rik or smth in interm kek
subtle tundra
miau
little tulip
np
rotund oak
F augs
rotund oak
may burn in hell
little tulip
no no i said the same thing but they licherally temporal anomaly and their other ability mean u gotta stand infront of them
humble verge
feels weird setup tho
spice spire
No boss is ever dying
quiet oar
No boss is ever dying
Thats why you are the Boss King
potent raven
idk if we even have the damage
ye its a lot
pala has too good st rn
such a brainded spec
gritty laurel
i'm afraid of calling other specs braindead with how many buttons have been consolidated into passives/macros for assassination this xpac
at least for raid
indigo mulch
I zug zug boss.
fallow canopy
i mean yeah this spec is insanely braindead
just like me frfr
haughty flicker
strange tundra
thick comet
Hey, quick question, probs a stupid one too as new to assa, during kingsbane, is the goal just to get out as many envenoms at max CP as possible?
deep breach
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
sullen mural
Hey, quick question, probs a stupid one too as new to assa, during kingsbane, is...
5+ not max
normal mist
Hey, quick question, probs a stupid one too as new to assa, during kingsbane, is...
The only time you force max CP is for darkest night
thick comet
Alrighty, sounds good, thanks for the help 😄
steady swan
quick question, i look on some bosses on ST rogues get 3-3.3M dps but i sim a hypothetical full biss gear 684 with raid buffs and only get around 2.5M sooo... Where do people get that 600-700k difference from? raidbot didnt sim excecute phase from Zoldyck o raid buff from reputation?
subtle tundra
in raid?
steady swan
yes
subtle tundra
maybe the 12% damage buff that everyone gets
haughty flicker
steady swan
i use the 12% manual, and get 2.8m from 2.5m
golden loom
quick question, i look on some bosses on ST rogues get 3-3.3M dps but i sim a hy...
it does sim execute
nocturne quail
quick question, i look on some bosses on ST rogues get 3-3.3M dps but i sim a hy...
Which bosses you seeing
golden loom
but also, raid fights arent just a patchwerk fight
nocturne quail
There’s a bunch of factors that could be in play
steady swan
Which bosses you seeing
Sprocketmonger
subtle tundra
i use the 12% manual, and get 2.8m from 2.5m
theres a billion random procs from other specs that give you dps, they add up aswell
also assa is known to sim less than it does historically
nothing weird
golden loom
also if you look at the top logs, and then you look at sim average its gonna be a bit skewed
nocturne quail
Honestly tho no idea how the R1 sprocket log did 3.4 mil that’s nuts
steady swan
also if you look at the top logs, and then you look at sim average its gonna be ...
I did the test because I was shocked by the difference.
coral ibex
its that easy
golden loom
like if I take my top end sim damage, 2,8m and then add 12% raid buff and stuff and stuff and sim full ST talents we probably get close
subtle tundra
Honestly tho no idea how the R1 sprocket log did 3.4 mil that’s nuts
also r1 didnt do 3.4mil? its 3.2
humble verge
hybrid for a 17 cinderbrew hmm
nocturne quail
also r1 didnt do 3.4mil? its 3.2
Yeah my b that was sub rogue
steady swan
XDD
rotund oak
huge gz
coral ibex
now i can spend my dinar today on jastor and be actually done
fallow canopy
idk what to get
hoc for sub angle (not happening) or kezan for reclears
or bandit dagger for xmog
quiet oar
hoc for sub angle (not happening) or kezan for reclears
Kezan for Reclears is not good
Kezan for Next Tiert early Mythic Bosses ? Maybe
fallow canopy
Kezan for Reclears is not good
just for gally I mean, I'm basically bis everywhere
quiet oar
Gally will be sub 7 Minutes Soonish
fallow canopy
kezan simmed like a gain for me on 6+minutes
quiet oar
I mean if you ahve spare Dinars its prolly a good choice
quiet oar
Im just saying Kezan is prolly more usefull for Next Content where Fights will be 5+ Minutes
BEcause this tiers Bosses will become very short
soon-ish
haughty flicker
yeah i mean what else do we buy
jastors and eye for next tier
lmao
hoc if you hate yourself and want to play some sub
slim copper
I assume HoC is just outright better than Signet of Priory?
quiet oar
I mean HoC is also better than Signet on my Sin
slim copper
for assa they're both more or less the same
but you get an extra use out of it? i'll sim it and see
slim copper
ahhh true
haughty flicker
slim copper
i didnt even see that yall were talking about HoC in chat. I was blinded by choosing my vault my bad
potent raven
perfect comp
sullen mural
Can you move your aoe cc tracker a bit further up
so it doesnt clip into the kick of the monk
drifting charm
EEEE myth dagggerrrr
earnest remnant
Can you move your aoe cc tracker a bit further up
i like you alot, cuz that was the only i saw as well
one based individual
tawdry root
dumb question but took a break for like a month, is cyrce's ring still stuck at 658 ilvl?
sullen mural
Yes
earnest remnant
yes
tawdry root
i have 2 mythic rings that still sim lower than having cyrce's still there and it's messing with my dopamine hit of higher ilvl
lol
oblique sorrel
Probably needs to be a big mastery ring
tawdry root
yeah it's 0.5%
oblique sorrel
Yea but it’s helps a lot
oblique sorrel
Need. Damage buff to compensate 🫣
tawdry root
there's no catchup mechanic for cartel chips/dinars if i missed a weekly quest right?
sullen mural
Nope
oblique sorrel
Don’t think so
sullen mural
Ur fucked
tawdry root
yea thats what i figured, thanks
stable cove
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
sullen mural
dapper cradle
fresh kelp
<:SAJ:1152689834679341187>
rookie numbers
spice spire
Silence outlaw player
fresh kelp
oblique sorrel
When I swap I got 12 % XD
sullen mural
Shhh we just look at the left
blazing kayak
waxen oyster
surprised you tossed your other ring first
sharp viper
nice head
sharp viper
I was talking to you 
royal lantern
true tapir
does sim reflect pacemaker procs fucking with signet of the priory?
coral ibex
yes
empty tide
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
waxen oyster
Probably why its a 7k gain in favor of hoc for me.
sharp turtle
i kinda wanna play around on sin since the season is coming to an end, would the fastest way be just to craft 2 daggers?
grim jay
offhand is not important
sullen mural
Offhand is jobless yeah
sharp turtle
so i basically just need dagger on MH?
maiden sierra
why is this discord server gay during men's mental health month smh my head
novel star
yummers
spice spire
deep breach
hey, i know this is a super variable thing. But what kind of ST dps should i be looking at achieving with bleed build at 663 ilvl?
spice spire
I’ll int more of quakes keys
Brother if I have to hear you bitch one more time about dming a target I just taunted from timbukthree I’m going to fly to main and show you what real threat is
runic hinge
Hot
I’m gonna start a bit where I say you taunted and ran further and further from it
By next week you’ll have run out of the instance
spice spire
Buddy the only thing I’m about to demolish is you I s2g
runic hinge
Don’t tempt me
grim jay
Don’t tempt me
dog you so lucky. I wanna get demolished by quake aswell
spice spire
Id int a quake key but theyre too low
About to hate watch ur ass
grim jay
About to hate watch ur ass
btw looking at my calendar ive seen your bday isnt far
where's the invitation?
spice spire
Too late
haughty flicker
can u watch my log
haughty flicker
uwu
shy sorrel
Do you use Siren ilse ring in Raiding?
It sims worse than any other ring I have but Still seems like a lot of people use it
fallow canopy
Buddy the only thing I’m about to demolish is you I s2g
you suck 2 good?
red schooner
It sims worse than any other ring I have but Still seems like a lot of people us...
Some people are able to find ring combinations where it sims higher for their character, others can't. There isn't a one size fits all answer outside of 'just sim it'
But yeah if it's simming higher just swap it out
shy sorrel
Some people are able to find ring combinations where it sims higher for their ch...
Yeah cause I simmed every possible gem and it still simmed worse so I reckon I just skip using it
keen spruce
Reject the sims embrace the vibes
runic hinge
winged sun
wtf is this warrior st
we even had bad downtime adds seperated abit
the 2 rocket guys
earnest remnant
what is his breakdown
winged sun
what is his breakdown
earnest remnant
nice lil utility from spell reflect lmao
winged sun
lmao
steady swan
this Nestea... use it with the Burst or use it passively as the energy goes down?
humble verge
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
hollow river
this Nestea... use it with the Burst or use it passively as the energy goes down...
macro to shiv
^
steady swan
ty
cinder nymph
Am I crazy or is Indiscriminate Carnage bugged in dastardly duos
novel star
yeah its mad bugged
i dont even know what the fuck a dastardly duo is but i ran it earlier because the mobile game popups told me to
and carnage was hella not working
red schooner
yeah its mad bugged
at least it got delayed until 6 weeks after the patch came out so they had time to make sure it works right
novel star
happens
hidden bay
not my Ravenholdt anymore after Server Icon change
sick scarab
wtf discord icon lol
hidden bay
normal mist
It's pretty good actually
sick scarab
y y true
hidden bay
ill be inactive till next month 
sick scarab
very good
normal mist
very good
balmy condor
w ragebait herp
balmy condor
normal mist
Herp wants free vacations from discord
keen spruce
hidden bay
inland dirge
tall jay
Whispyr , the belt that comes out in a few weeks…anything to write home to mom about or should I just full send on a 681 belt upgrade
hidden bay
you want the belt
uneven plume
spell reflect
balmy condor
it's gonna be bis
hidden bay
dont craft
tall jay
Ok, will hold off on spending anything on a belt
hidden bay
gonna check if its on the rogue BiS list on wowhead
tall jay
6/8 hero belt currently…I will save my 30 lol
tall jay
Ok I mean it’s only 2 12s lol
red schooner
I'm on 210 and I've not done m+ in 2 and a bit weeks
waxen oyster
I have like 3-4 slots i can go 681 to 684 on still.
red schooner
Life is okay
haughty flicker
based
waxen oyster
Is the first guy the tank
haughty flicker
Same friendo
haughty flicker
Lmao
lethal arrow
red schooner
forgot to turn in my cartel chip quest last week after CE
did that on my druid last week
normal mist
bad luck protection right
lethal arrow
they got me with the consolation prize
haughty flicker
Smol indie company forgot catch up mechanic
red schooner
Smol indie company forgot catch up mechanic
Nah, you just got timegated
barren yarrow
prime hull
im proud to be racist 🇵🇱
That's certainly an opinion
bronze pike
https://tenor.com/view/polska-better-call-saul-poland-november11th-11listopada-g...
is that the weirdo that won the poland election that cant do anything but gridlock the country cause the opposite party has control thus nothing of note will be completed in his term
?
drifting cloud
close, its a tv character infront of a flag
maiden sierra
is that the weirdo that won the poland election that cant do anything but gridlo...
i dunno, i dont live in poland (like 60% of poles )
waxen oyster
I have an unenchanted 2nd jastor
maiden sierra
yeah isint that saul?
subtle tundra
close, its a tv character infront of a flag
saul won the elections
waxen oyster
ermm dungeon quest
drifting cloud
saul won the elections
no spoilers
bronze pike
close, its a tv character infront of a flag
rotund oak
🤣
maiden sierra
https://tenor.com/view/trippi-troppi-trippi-troppi-italian-brainrot-trippitroppi...
why is yellow name shrimp posting in my assassination channel
shrewd night
