#assassination

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rotund oak
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easy there

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yeah

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šŸ˜‚

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i started about 14-15 searching

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conquered that like

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10-15 years later

bronze pike
autumn idol
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guys

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why are we talking about women, this is rogue discord

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we've never seen one

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plus its pride month

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love your homies

subtle tundra
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oh yeah i love them a LOT

autumn idol
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weird flex

normal mist
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It's not weird, it's MARVELOUS

autumn idol
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"i fucked a couple of months ago" okay bro and i havent whats your point

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just kidding, congratulations :>

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im sure you'll be a fine dad!

normal mist
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Hopefully I will, I must

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Hopefully it will be a girl too, I hope

autumn idol
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this has to be you

normal mist
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Ahahaha nah, I'm way too chill

rotund oak
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take courage brother

worthy fable
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
normal mist
glacial slate
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Hey guys, is there a use for shadowmeld in rotations?

normal mist
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Not really

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You can try to meld into stealth in trash packs

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But that's it

glacial slate
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Ok thanks!

normal mist
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Doesn't work on boss fights (the getting the stealth part) but useful to avoid casts on you

worthy fable
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@balmy condor How do I increase the alpha on the utility spells?

dense willow
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@worthy fable press the buttons harder

median sigil
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I wonder that How much damage everyone can do in dungeon single boss? If you use assassin talent

thick sigil
nova kelp
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ahhhh, relaxation levels increase
gally down

radiant yoke
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any of the smarties in the discord rn?

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i got a problem

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#showtooltip deathmark
/use 13
/use 14
/use deathmark

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my signet of the priory is often not casting on the same global as deathmark, even if it's not out of sync or anything

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other trinket is just the seafforium pacemaker so it's not even on use

jaunty sky
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Are you in range and pressing it when you can use a global

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I'm pretty sure DM is not off gcd

golden loom
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maybe ur spamming deathmark while ur on GCD yeah

shy sorrel
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Does it matter what you send your supercharged combopoint on?

golden loom
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but it also doesnt really matter if u cast signet a second before deathmark

radiant yoke
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it's usually activating deathmark just fine but not launching the trinket

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and im spamming the macro

golden loom
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like im a spammer so it usually looks like this

radiant yoke
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it was a non-issue with skardyns

golden loom
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is it happening in M+ on keys below 12s?

radiant yoke
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i know that the one thing can push it out of sync below 12

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that's not it . it happens so often im staring at both spells being available

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to be sure.

golden loom
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does it happen if ur just hitting a dummy

radiant yoke
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not just now but i think i did replicate my issue on a dummy before

subtle tundra
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miau

radiant yoke
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anyways u have potion macroed to trinket separate from deathmark?

golden loom
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only time I use the one without potion is like if raid fight is 1 pot only and theres a late lust or damage amp

radiant yoke
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i watch them side by side and only one goes 😦

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i can just separate it

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it lasts longer than our cds anyway

burnt juniper
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at least in keys

shy sorrel
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Atleast one pref two Envenoms

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But not worth to send on Rupture?

burnt juniper
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rupture you can refresh ahead of time

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before cds

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means being proactive about making sure you slap a new rupture on before going into cds

royal lantern
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you ignore it exists and just play like ussual

potent raven
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ŃˆŃŒŠ·Ń‰Ń‹Ń‹

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impossible to get into 16s today

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crying

grim jay
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Works just fine

coral ibex
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probably misspelled the trinket in the macro or something

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just use /use 13

haughty flicker
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real chads /use 14

coral ibex
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or they're pressing the macro before their gcd finishes spinning

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so the trinket goes off but not DM

coral ibex
spice spire
haughty flicker
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The garfs speak for themselves

ornate nest
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Hey is the siphoning stiletto just a never use?

hidden bay
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correct

ornate nest
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Should call it suicide stiletto

waxen oyster
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there is an item like that

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well, does that effect

ornate nest
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well I know what I'm getting after work

waxen oyster
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Deoesnt work at current max level

ornate nest
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Well that's a shame

haughty flicker
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I love when they add a bunch of toys and make 80% of them unusable the next expac

fallow canopy
haughty flicker
shy sorrel
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Is the stats fine or should I lean into one more than the other

spice spire
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!stats

prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
shy sorrel
final eagle
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Hey, just coming back from few month out. From what i can see on pins and talents, bleed is now meta ? According to Whispyr video, rotations should be updated, however, both on icyveins and wowhead it still show kingsbane. Am i missing something here ?

waxen oyster
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You didnt scroll down to m+ section of wowhead then

nocturne quail
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Bleed is very prevalent, some people playing hybrid build with KB, or a cleave build with KB

hidden bay
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Fatebound is meta, skip the guides

nocturne quail
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There’s title range keys with both build archetypes

final eagle
waxen oyster
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well the raid build hasnt changed

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besides you can run vv now

brittle fulcrum
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I thought I left this server iv met way too many dipshits night guys be cool :D

sonic pagoda
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its simply just not my fault any of the 15 keys ive pugged into this week none of them get timed

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ret pallay doing barely 3 mil overall in a rookery is a problem

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tank pulling double diffuser into the double oracle room and a hunter standing in melee with the big circle is not my problem

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is it common for assa to just gap ppl even in 15 keys? or they are just bad at their classes?
becasue this is starting to get frustrating....no on invites rogues and then i top meters and they wipe us or do piss poor damooge

nocturne quail
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You’re in hell ELO brother

deep gyro
spice surge
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Hes just a free spirit (a wrong one, but atleast hes free)

sonic pagoda
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also im doing like 1.8-2mil on bosses....wth is going on lol assa is fine ppl are bad at the game or there are bad rogues they have come in contact with ruining my experience lmao

subtle tundra
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how long are your boss fights

somber sparrow
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at what point do people decide to start using authority of radiant power instead of authority of the depths

sonic pagoda
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at any point you do m+ or raid

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idk but im wooping ret palas and mm huntards on aoe and boss fights for some reason

subtle tundra
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for some reason?

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assa is one of the best aoe specs

sonic pagoda
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MM hunter should beat assa rogue

subtle tundra
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should it?

sonic pagoda
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and the sheer amount of ret paladins in the game is obnoxious

subtle tundra
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also remember

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this season is especially easy

sonic pagoda
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i guess mm only does good dmg with PI?

subtle tundra
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and 15s arent very high

sonic pagoda
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gamer varas lololol

subtle tundra
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so the quality of the players is low

sonic pagoda
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in df when pros were doing the 32 keys i was doing 28s on a frost mage whne fire was meta

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but is ee that popint being made quality of player being low

subtle tundra
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what

sonic pagoda
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i only been back a month i feel as if this elo are just ppl that have been hard stuck withn max gear the whole season

waxen oyster
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Bro had a stroke.

subtle tundra
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players are bad in 15s

sonic pagoda
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its annoying

waxen oyster
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Players are always bad at levels you can pug

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idk

sonic pagoda
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how do you not understand to take the rookery big purple circle out of the group? and LOS it especailly as a fuckin hutner

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we have a good pace then they decide to double pull room before second boss with lust....and then commence to wipe

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like holy fuck why?

fallow canopy
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life uhm... finds a way

waxen oyster
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ā€i saw it on yoda’s streamā€

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probably

sonic pagoda
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i just want to run physical god comp and win thats it

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LIke i fuckin wish most classes would beat me on the meters in a dungeon...then maybe we would time it

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welp 15 WS with gauradian and resto druid at least i got a war bfuff

subtle tundra
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its even worse this season cause of resillient keys

sonic pagoda
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i think resillient keys are brilliant

waxen oyster
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motw is better than battleshout

sonic pagoda
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now my keys dont get bricked becasue shitters

subtle tundra
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didnt say its bad

sonic pagoda
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i get both XD

golden loom
waxen oyster
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Nah the downside of resil keys is eventually

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the bad players bang their heads enough

subtle tundra
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i just said pugging is worse cause of resilient

waxen oyster
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until they get carried

sonic pagoda
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through volume the bad players just pug until they get carried in a key

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ive seen it ive carried them

subtle tundra
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well youre still playing at a low enough level where people can get carried

sonic pagoda
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but at the same time when i push my own key and getr resilients its nice and nice to help my friedns push too i guess

waxen oyster
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i saw a 2m overall dh

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who was floorpov in vault keys

sonic pagoda
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gamer varse is doing 20s everyone hes a pro

waxen oyster
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with 14s timed

subtle tundra
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bro i dont need to show my credentials

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every time i type

sonic pagoda
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and they invited a fuckin hunter

subtle tundra
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fuck off

spice spire
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Send cock

sonic pagoda
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you are calling 15 and 16 keys low and saying resilient keys are bad over and over again

subtle tundra
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youre doing 15s and complaining

sonic pagoda
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you have a fuckin ego and a superiority complex

fallow canopy
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send license to be horny too just to confirm

sonic pagoda
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complaining about bads

golden loom
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quake how about you show ur 4k io before u start piping up?

subtle tundra
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i dont even play

sonic pagoda
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i watch the streamers run 16s and 17s and they stand in shit lmao

waxen oyster
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varas we need your input on why green orc over brown

haughty flicker
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Racism

subtle tundra
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WAAAAAA

sonic pagoda
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he doesnt push becasue pugs have pushed really high with resilient keys and learned how to run the dungeon and its ruined his experience

spice spire
sonic pagoda
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20s arent high either

hidden bay
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xd

sonic pagoda
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684 ilvl with a team guys time to push

subtle tundra
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well i dont pug cause i dont play, but i also wasnt pugging before

hidden bay
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crazy how you guys keep getting ragebaited

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i cant believe it

fallow canopy
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havent found inner peace smh my hips

balmy condor
balmy condor
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Hot

spice spire
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Can’t be baited

subtle tundra
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bitch my friends arent logging in for elden ring

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i wanna play it

hidden bay
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go play some keys bro

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you need it

fallow canopy
hidden bay
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dustxW

red schooner
spice spire
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I’d never

subtle tundra
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i cant cause i stopped playing and im watching gameplay

fallow canopy
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honestly that game made me reconsider my stance on the fr*nch

red schooner
spice spire
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Yeah and I’m a dedicated hater

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I can’t let them have anything positive

hidden bay
waxen oyster
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France looks like a mess

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I got linked a video of riots in the streets over, soccer.

red schooner
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I'm just chilling with promise mascot agency now, need the happy game to combat the pit of grief that was Clair Obscur

waxen oyster
hidden bay
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celebrating is ok but what they did...? no words

fallow canopy
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after the PSG win?

waxen oyster
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Soccer fans kind of some of the most unadjusted humans.

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I've ever seen in general.

fallow canopy
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shitheads be looking for an excuse to throw shit

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sad that 2 people died for that

fallow canopy
waxen oyster
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Yeah I mean excessive fans of anything in general are...

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Well, niche retro collectors are cool usually.

sonic pagoda
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why do they insist on a parasale in a 15 rooke?

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just do fuckin dmg lol and you dont need it

waxen oyster
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because a streamer did it

sonic pagoda
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these kids need to just play the game instead of being a fan lol

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im never joining a key with wizards again

orchid pewter
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?

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doing tech is fun

royal lantern
sonic pagoda
novel dragon
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Anyone know which parts of sin are counted as physical vs magic damage? Like where are bleeds physical and nature damage magic?

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Kinda trying to figure out how DH/Monk debuff impact the damage profile

sonic pagoda
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there are sims

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that tell you idk the command]

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we get like 1.9% buff from dh

royal lantern
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like, sure if somebody says "hey i wanna try out a skip" its allright

But when its a +10 key and suddenly they wanna skip the meadery patrol with meld and fuck it up, what are we even doing

sonic pagoda
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like 5% from sham buff

sonic pagoda
royal lantern
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in m+ monk slightly better

in raid DH slightly better

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and like mate

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all bleeds are physical

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wow dmg types are simple

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physical dmg and bleeds = physical

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literally EVERYTHING else = magical

sonic pagoda
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shaman buff is our best buff XD

royal lantern
fallow canopy
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Details also shows the type of damage in the breakdown iirc

sonic pagoda
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ah maybe sham buff is best for the outlaw but yes shaman and warrior buff XD

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monk buff is meh doesnt matter

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in a m+

royal lantern
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its like

warrior>shaman>the rest

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and its more or less the same for all that can use those good

sonic pagoda
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zug zug

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melee comp please...i dont even trust hunters

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teh whole meta thing is hilarious

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they see that S tier boomy mage dk comp and think they need it in every key lmao....then you see bansherz comp phys god comp doing 19s and 20s in mdi then you see on the leaderboard after turbo boost just everything doing 20 keys

royal lantern
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stuff trickles down

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always does

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sadly just how it works

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and huge parts of recent design choices from blizz encourage it even

sonic pagoda
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yeah it does i seen an mm hunter said he wont invite rogues becasue what does a rogue do for him lmao

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like it does more dmg than your bum ass lookin for pi war buff and druid buff and shama buff

royal lantern
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turns out, when people cry for years "why cant my alt be fully geared in 8 minutes??????" until blizz does it

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rerolling characters becomes trivial

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and more do it

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and it becomes more "expected" to do

sonic pagoda
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i mean ...ive tried every class

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besides preist and the dragon useless classes

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those classes are lame

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every toon to 645 ilvl only takes like 8 hours lmao

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and i regret it but it let me know what i like to play...

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rogue and mage

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and feral druid but why play feral when i play rogue

frozen glacier
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did yall swap to cleave for 17s or just stayed bleed

sonic pagoda
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oh yeah becaue aoe stops

maiden sierra
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this whole block feature is not very effectice, i still feel the urge to read the hidden messages

sonic pagoda
# royal lantern and more do it

i ran some 12s and 13s with the same ppl and then they wanted to reroll to meta comp to "push" here i am now 200 io above them and my mage that i rerolled to is where there mains are lol

royal lantern
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shoves it in your face even more

maiden sierra
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yeah but at least it tells me when this chat is full of nonsense so i can ignore it for a while

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back to studying for an exam sitmadge

sonic pagoda
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IM ready for my summer classes to start tomorrow less focusing on wow better for life

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enjoy wow more when less time invested cant miss something that you are surrounded in all the time

subtle lodge
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Hey yall, planning to make an alt for phys comps; been leaning towards sin. Before I do the research and read all the guides & actually start gearing, whats the downside to sin and how does it compare towards outlaw. Like whats sins niche that outlaw cant do and vice versa? (Prolly gonna cap around 17-18 keys if that helps with context)

spice spire
subtle lodge
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I see, if theres ever funnel does sins value skyrocket? I play mage so not sure if the routes are the same in phys comps but usually every boss has a pack with it is where im going at

sonic pagoda
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does outlaw do more st than hybrid/cleave tho?

spice spire
spice spire
shy axle
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is that delve belt something like the ring in s1 or delve-specific

spice surge
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Its similar to the ring

subtle lodge
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Ahh i see, wasnt really planning on trying to farm 2 itemsets just due to the time it will take but with how phy comps usually go do you think it would be better to gear towards sin or outlaw? I assume its based off damage profiles on the other classes but just a general consensus what do you think is brought more in phys comps for rogues?

sullen mural
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Depends on how your tank is playing tbh

west crown
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Rogues want warrior and shaman mostly those are our best buffs

spice spire
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MotW is pretty good

subtle lodge
strange tundra
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hi

sonic pagoda
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priory is pretty good for assa rogue

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doing 5.5mil overall then i have a survival hunter with 4 kicks doing 3 mil overall gg

sonic pagoda
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and a frost mage doing 4k gg i guess they dont know fireball 1 shots ppeeeps also tank not moving shit out of consecrate its a wrap

sullen mural
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Though if we talk high high keys i think it doesnt matter too much

subtle lodge
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Where does sub fall in to this? Im just completely new to rogue so not sure on how any of these specs damage profiles look like

sullen mural
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OK We only have 2 specs

subtle lodge
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o rip i see, thanks!!

sullen mural
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Theres some stuff sub is good at

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like assa rogues used to go out of rookery and spec into sub for last boss

sonic pagoda
sullen mural
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unsure if they still do

sudden brook
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Sub is good in raid, but for keys sin/otl is better atm

sonic pagoda
sonic pagoda
subtle lodge
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I see, thanks for the help everyone!

sullen mural
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Outlaw apm is half fake anyways

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U do press a lot but just same button over and over if u have good rng

sudden brook
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?

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No?

sonic pagoda
sullen mural
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Dmg wise yeah

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if u get btw resets

sudden brook
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No

sullen mural
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u just bte

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lot of actions just same button

sudden brook
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..?

sonic pagoda
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i mean but isnt ret palla high apm with just 4 buttons and 2 cds at 45 seconds?

royal lantern
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all specs press the "same buttons" mate

sonic pagoda
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^

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this guy gets it

sullen mural
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Yeah i know

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But u dont even build if u have god rng

sudden brook
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?

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Have u played outlaw before

sonic pagoda
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you dont build much as sin in aoe either

sullen mural
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Yeah

sonic pagoda
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fok rupture

royal lantern
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stop stealing my questionmarks guy

sudden brook
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It sounds like you have never touched the spec

sonic pagoda
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fok ruptrurex4 fok CT

sullen mural
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I mean apm in general is just a fake stat

sonic pagoda
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weaving mutilate and envenom every 8-10 seconds

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oh dont forget the garrotes with the buff

sullen mural
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Never said u build on sin either did i

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In aoe

sudden brook
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Outlaw is a high apm spec that is reliant on reacting to procs

sonic pagoda
sullen mural
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Yeah its so hard to hear a soun that your bte reset

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and just press it

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what a reaction

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wow btw gave me all my cp back press again

sonic pagoda
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this weeb is rage baiting

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confirmed hes never played or pushed on outlaw or sin

sudden brook
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I can't tell if you are genuinely stupid or you are putting on an axt

grim jay
sudden brook
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And I can't tell which is dumber

sudden brook
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What are we talking about

sonic pagoda
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dont forget ret apm

grim jay
sonic pagoda
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and hance up there too just a little behind

grim jay
sonic pagoda
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lol playing ddr and pressing your rotation is what this game iss see if you can ddodge 3 dirfferent swirlies on the ground and kick and cc something

sudden brook
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Never mind fury is a beta class

sullen mural
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Knowing all the conditions on outlaw when to roll esp when u play kir 1fan build when to spend your fan stacks is hard but spending cp is just btw more often than not

spice spire
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Only reason colossus is lower is because it’s a channel garf

sudden brook
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Ya lol

spice spire
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Pwar is fun as fuck tho

gusty mirage
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given most mmos have hard GCDs

grim jay
gusty mirage
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1 aps*

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sorry for the typo you fuck

bleak sun
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High Apm= low iq

grim jay
sonic pagoda
gusty mirage
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1 button press per second is pretty fast in mmo terms

grim jay
spice spire
gusty mirage
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which ones

grim jay
gusty mirage
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because p sure they have 1s GCDs

spice spire
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My issue is that Pwar has no niche. Well the niche is damage but it got GIGA dicked

gusty mirage
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BDO isn't real

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šŸ˜›

grim jay
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Unreal apm tho

gusty mirage
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aren't most korean MMOs technically MMO-ARPGs?

spice spire
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Like Diablo 4?

sudden brook
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D4 good

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Log in

coral ibex
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non-tab-target mmo's can go faster

runic hinge
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Yes sir

coral ibex
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im pretty sure eso's combat is faster than 1aps

grim jay
coral ibex
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since you have to click for every auto attack between spell casts

sonic pagoda
gusty mirage
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ARPGs by design are more interactive

spice spire
gusty mirage
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a FEW?

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FEW?

fallow canopy
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Busted

gusty mirage
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mfer terrorized me

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let me eat the fucking tank buster in priory

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motherfuck

spice spire
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Oh sorry that my class is capped and my dps is like ā€œpull more pleaseā€

gusty mirage
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press taunt on the miniboss

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skill issue

spice spire
gusty mirage
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target cap deez nuts

runic hinge
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He likes to press taunt and then run from the mob he taunted too

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So when you hit it, it claps you

gusty mirage
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he's gonna harp target cap for the rest of his wow career

gusty mirage
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dog I tricks him on CD

spice spire
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You ran up and death marked

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The fucking big guy

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???

coral ibex
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yea im looking at an old ESO vid of mine and i was clicking for autos at 1 auto per second plus spells, so eso combat is def around 1.8-2 aps

gusty mirage
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a deadly poison tick + fok crit ripped aggro

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mfer talks about target cap

sonic pagoda
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wait how do ppl even pull threat with rogue????

fathom roost
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Do we ever have to really think about reapplying poisons in a fight? Or is it just totally passive?

runic hinge
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yyeah i mean it was a pull of a bunch of shitter mobs, you want me to dm something that dies in 4 seconds or what

gusty mirage
coral ibex
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only way

runic hinge
spice spire
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I taunted the big guy at the bottom of the stairs

gusty mirage
spice spire
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Because my rogue didn’t blind chain mobs garf

runic hinge
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which rogue

spice spire
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Either

gusty mirage
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nah don't put that evil on me chief

runic hinge
#

also my blind was on cd and so was tricks i just overlapped with something else

gusty mirage
#

we were in the courtyard

runic hinge
spice spire
sonic pagoda
#

rofl rogues complaing about dieing to threat pulling are bad

#

just vanish

#

easy game

#

or blind or kydney idk lol

spice spire
#

Courtyard was a bit of an xd

#

Can’t blind big boy

gusty mirage
#

that entire key was a bit of an xd

spice spire
#

True

gusty mirage
#

never again

sonic pagoda
#

but yhes war has threat issues gotta wait for 5 sunders

grim jay
gusty mirage
#

when an assa rogue is top dps on a boss

sonic pagoda
#

or at least 2 thunderclaps lmao

gusty mirage
#

it's rough

sonic pagoda
#

^

spice spire
#

First boss of priory

#

Makes me sweat

sonic pagoda
#

lol

gusty mirage
#

you're thinking of souls games I think Davyn

grim jay
gusty mirage
#

ARPGs are traditionally thought of as diablo, diablo 2, poe, d4, last epoch, torchlight, grim dawn, etc

coral ibex
#

action rpg != arpg

grim jay
coral ibex
#

even though the a in arpg stands for action

haughty flicker
coral ibex
#

"arpg" means specifically diablo-likes

grim jay
sonic pagoda
#

so cant they just give assa top boss dmg while taking its aoe talents? i mean our aoe stops are not as good as war ret or dk

#

and we are way squishier

maiden sierra
sonic pagoda
#

idc what ppl say i feint on aoe dam and use evaision and cloak on cd for most mechanics are healer sjust not aware? or its jut a problem

maiden sierra
#

i remember that tweet that got memed to shit

haughty flicker
#

definitely a very meme worthy tweet

#

but in a parallel universe arpgs are definitely called diablolikes

#

say what you want about modern diablo, but it did define the genre in the past

sonic pagoda
#

reaper of souls was D3's arch

#

havent played D4 some ppl like it ...POE like games lol

#

Eternium is fun for tablet or on your phone lol

sudden brook
#

D4 good Baseg

balmy condor
#

D4 is always 2 steps back, rng 1-4 steps forward

#

Very frustrating game

sudden brook
#

Ya

#

I've played every season but this upcoming one is kind of a letdown

balmy condor
#

It’s just season of witchcraft again yeh

sudden brook
#

No not current, upcoming

sonic pagoda
#

PoE2 let me down

sudden brook
#

The whole dungeon exclamation

sonic pagoda
#

i dont want souls like mechanics in my arpg

balmy condor
#

Yeh

#

Its just season of witchcraft again

sudden brook
#

Need endgame overhaul

#

Give us meta progression

sonic pagoda
#

They nerfed everything into the ground in POE2 i want to blow the fuckin maps up and clear screens not dodge roll and kill 1-2 packs at a time lol

sudden brook
#

Poe 2/10

tranquil cobalt
#

Just play last epoch

#

It's the best arpg currently imo

sonic pagoda
#

Last epoch was decent quick grind tho

balmy condor
#

Poe 2 leap slam

sonic pagoda
#

its loot filter system is amazing

balmy condor
#

Might be the most hilarious shit I’ve ever seen

#

Bro has like a 35 foot vertical or something

#

Takes 3-5 business days to land

tranquil cobalt
normal mist
#

Whos falcon

sonic pagoda
#

lol i wanted to play a warrior but they sucked armor scaling was dog shit so i just went Pconc and 2 shot everything

normal mist
#

oh L.Epoch

balmy condor
normal mist
royal lantern
normal mist
#

FALCONNNNN PUNCH

tranquil cobalt
#

I will never get falcon punch out of my head today God damnit

balmy condor
sonic pagoda
#

Last epoch is hands down probably the best arpg or diablo like game right now and the loot filtering system and craft mechanics are nice

fallow canopy
#

I liked Grim Dawn but it kinda aged quickly

tranquil cobalt
#

Even tho the end game is rather short compared to others its way better then POE or Diablo imo

#

Waystones in Poe 2 felt so bad

haughty flicker
#

i played last epoch for like 2 hours on launch

#

or tried to, servers were fucking insanely shit

#

i should probably give it another try

idle loom
#

Is "Lingering Darkness" in the DS tree bugged? No matter if i clear Deathmark by attacking or letting the debuff just fall off after 30 seconds, I never get the LD buff.

tranquil cobalt
sonic pagoda
haughty flicker
balmy condor
fallow canopy
#

Honestly there is too many good games and not really enough time

tranquil cobalt
#

On God

haughty flicker
idle loom
#

Smh i can't read... back to school lol

balmy condor
#

It’s a classic

haughty flicker
#

they also probably shouldve just not named it that

#

lmao

idle loom
#

100%

lusty kraken
#

@balmy condor you slacker where is the pin for the best belt???

haughty flicker
#

have they fixed the thing they're definitely going to fix yet

analog field
#

we are reclearing stix and i want to ask what talents do we get? do we go the CT one ? or without CT?

runic hinge
haughty flicker
#

real

runic hinge
#

FATEBINDERS MARK

quasi hill
#

Hey guys, with the titan disc belt going live mid June, is worth to craft a belt with the next week's Spark ? Is the titan belt better right from the release ?

balmy condor
#

Probably

quasi hill
#

So skip the craft, kk

sudden brook
#

Titan belt will be OP just like the old ring

quasi hill
#

Hadn't simmed it, but can a crafted 681 ring surpass island ring ?

#

(talking dungeons, other ring is hero gallywix)

arctic dust
#

!tott

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
strange tundra
#

And 671 jastor was dps.incr3ase

marble hemlock
#

i dont think d4 does small numbers, does it?

balmy condor
marble hemlock
#

had that happen once in Elin. it bricked my save with no way to recover it. was not amused.

balmy condor
#

Idk, d4 ptr is about as valuable as a hand full of shit

#

Cause you get on the PTR, realize there’s an interaction that’s like 27,000% stronger

marble hemlock
#

tfw your save corrupts when your spend so much time travelling that the "days played" overflows the integer and ruins 400+ hours of progress.

balmy condor
#

And the rest of it is basically just the last seasons build but bugged

#

And then you

marble hemlock
#

hmye

#

i mean that was kinda d3 season in a nutshell too, no?

balmy condor
#

Well, they’re gonna rebalance all of this

#

No point!

marble hemlock
#

some set getting buffed

#

to the point where it just outscaled everything else by multiple orders of magnitude

balmy condor
#

Yeah except they don’t have sets in d4, the d4 way is release a new unique

marble hemlock
balmy condor
#

But they are hilariously bad at it

#

Earthquake Barb was the Barb build since like season 6

#

And then in the season 8 livestream they were like ā€œwe want to focus on barbs physicality, no more earthquake everythingā€

#

Nerfed the shit out of earthquake, added a new unique, reworked an old one

marble hemlock
#

lemme guess

#

its still the best build?

balmy condor
#

Yes

marble hemlock
balmy condor
#

And it’s not close

#

They like quadrupled the damage of whirlwind build

#

But whirlwind builds still just play earthquake

sonic pagoda
#

Finally timed a 15

#

sloppy toppy toppin dmg as assa

#

usually just plow through as outlaw lol

oblique sorrel
#

Outlaw boss damage good

#

Aoe bad 😦

sonic pagoda
#

i mean assa boss dmg aint bad

#

barely got beat by fury warrio in bos damn and i gapped the warrior and well boomkin just sucks in top

oblique sorrel
#

I ain’t done no 15s yet but I’m usually top overall

sonic pagoda
#

Furry warrio capped bad aoe but good good boss dam

winter willow
#

anyone got some class-specific boss guides?

sonic pagoda
#

i think the meta comp is funny becaue if you remove the mage the dk and boomkin would never kill a aboss

oblique sorrel
#

Yea they did war and outlaw dirty early In the expansion

#

Did a 12 with a 650 prot war though

#

Legendary

sonic pagoda
#

light work

#

660ilvl is 12 key material

autumn idol
#

erm actually

sonic pagoda
#

I want to craft gloves or chest so bad tired of looking at heroic pieces...but ill wait until tomorrow 679 ilvl getting mythic signet tomorrow thats 680 ilvl if i get a good vault piece thats 681 ilvl and then crafted is 682

#

if your in a group not a pug 660 -665 smashes on 12s lol

autumn idol
#

oh yeah vaults in 2 days

#

i frogorrrrr

sonic pagoda
#

vaults tomorrow eh and then our second dinar piece

autumn idol
#

im getting my hoc tuah

sonic pagoda
#

i bout like 6 fuckin heroic jasotrs i regret it on some of the toons

#

simms are wild btw

autumn idol
#

how wilr

#

wild

#

like really wild or

sonic pagoda
#

every time i sim single target it tells me to take a haste/vers crafted ring over circe

#

and then on dungeon slice its every other time i sim it tellse me to take my outlaw crafted ring over circe

#

circe is almost never the picked ring for sims

autumn idol
#

yeah i mean

#

more stats

sonic pagoda
#

i guess whats the differenece in 20k and 25k mastery when i can add like 4k verse and haste

autumn idol
#

yeah and also diminishing returns

#

and relative value

#

you gain more power relatively speaking going from low amount of haste and vers even though they might be weighted slightly lower

sonic pagoda
#

yeah reaching the drs or whateva

autumn idol
#

than dropping an equal amount of mastery which you've already had enough of

sonic pagoda
#

im not using crafted offhand wep either

#

it was legit 10k less dmg to just run double rik mythic daggers

#

and i said more main stat more vers and more mastery

autumn idol
#

well at one point, if you've had enough mastery even without the diminishing returns, a point of versatility will give you more damage than a point of mastery, relatively speaking

sonic pagoda
#

opening upmore crit or vers or elemental focusing on other crafted pieces

#

yeah thats whats happening

#

the meters dont lie lol

#

also i like some versa dont get one shot as much...i can tell in 16&17 keys just from these 15s if i forget to feint an aoe mech and just try and rely on heals im gonna fuckin die

#

the pvp boss in top when he leaps in middle with no feint its 80% of my health

autumn idol
#

good thing we have a 40% aoe wall on a 15 sec cooldown

sonic pagoda
#

^^^^

#

i wish it would stack

#

press it twice and get 80%

#

i like a month ago would try and save evasion or cloak for oopsie buttons or just to avoid dmg

#

but now they are apart of the rotations but in pugs its tough to not know when ppl will use externals which i just assume they wont lol

hushed hearth
#

hey, can u evasion mugzee's spinny guns? does any1 know, or just dmg redu?

oblique sorrel
#

Walk through him it don’t hurt

hidden bay
coral ibex
#

what is the benefit to do that

#

you can have full uptime and not eat any swirlies

hidden bay
#

getting on the other side, making space for others, less lightning

coral ibex
#

without running thru with evasion

waxen oyster
#

What evasion stops the gun shooting damage?

sudden hollow
#

Hey guys, looking to pick up assassination rogue as another character as I liked the sound of it. Though, is it as micro managey as the wowhead guide makes it out to be? Or is it relatively easy to track things?

coral ibex
#

apparently one hand shoots a phys effect

#

so you can evasion it

waxen oyster
#

I feel alot of people just evasion in case they accidentally stand on a bomb spawn swirlie

waxen oyster
#

You still get the debuff doing this btw

#

but it does no damage

normal mist
#

But tracking things is easy with a good wa / platers

#

Here:

#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

it's micromanagey if you want it to be

#

but it's not that bad

sudden hollow
#

I use a good plater profile and UI's etc. But it's more of the actually having to micro manage all the buffs debuffs etc

balmy condor
#

I just made it very in depth

sudden hollow
#

I'm looking to push 15-18 keys, so, ideally want to be as high performance as I can get

balmy condor
#

realistically if you can juggle 3-5 bleeds, hit a couple cooldowns at the same time, and spam envenom

#

then you're good

sonic pagoda
#

the best platers in my oppion for assa only is whsypyrs. then try vespereal, and jundies platers

sudden hollow
#

That's the thing. The 3-5 bleeds is ever so slightly off putting. It's why I disliked Affliction lock. Managing that many debuffs just isn't my idea of fun. Maybe ass rogue isn't for me then!

sonic pagoda
#

quazi's platers are filled with too much

normal mist
#

Thanks for the explanation mister wowhead guide writer Whispyr

hidden bay
#

standard plater > rest

balmy condor
#

default nameplates > elvui > stupid dogshit plater users

waxen oyster
#

Real

#

How do i blacklist poisons on elv though

balmy condor
#

idk I haven't used elvui in like 4 years

waxen oyster
#

All I know is

#

the number of times i hear plater users

#

complain about lag

#

or something bricks

sonic pagoda
#

I mean big debuffs addon and tell me when can baically make palters non usefull but then you ahve to learn and track all the different mob types its a tradeoff right?

coral ibex
#

other than on ovinax last tier ive never had any issue with plater

sonic pagoda
#

platers are a god send

waxen oyster
#

I heard complaints on tindral

sonic pagoda
#

or what was that other old one tidyplates?

coral ibex
#

and really that was blizzards fault for thinking spawning 40 shitters is good gameplay

waxen oyster
#

i've had the same unitframes from elv since legion

#

0 issues

#

I should remove amp poison from my display though

#

shit is useless to know

sonic pagoda
#

blizzard implementing move anything and keybind mode is great no more dominoes or bartender

#

only took them 15 years to add that shit

waxen oyster
#

Yeah way too long

#

+You still have to play with the gryphons

coral ibex
#

listen bro you wanna use native ui you better enjoy the RP that comes with it

#

wow is for everyone!

waxen oyster
#

Honestly the main reason i used bartender/dominos

#

was the actionbars on the side was just so annoying

#

Why can't i put them on top of the other ones

runic hinge
#

I play alt-Z in first person for true immersion

sonic pagoda
#

sheesh you guys play wow hardcore too rich for my blood

royal lantern
#

otherwhise its no real immersion

haughty flicker
runic hinge
#

Yeah I just changed the code on that weakaura

novel dragon
#

If my flask of alchemical chaos picks crit then I open and seaforium boosts my crit such that my crist is higher than my mastery will signet give me crit?

runic hinge
#

For Fok

#

Yes

novel dragon
#

kinda troll

#
  • ascension + void ritual too lol
sonic pagoda
#

i think if you folllow sims you wont have this issue

waxen oyster
#

This is why house of cards superior

#

Although how does maghar affect it

haughty flicker
#

no idea

#

what does ja think of it

waxen oyster
#

Idk i can always go maghar

#

been sitting on a faction change since s1 sale

#

Although stoneform is so nice to have.

balmy condor
#

or X%

hidden bay
balmy condor
#

then yes

waxen oyster
#

would it calculate before signet

#

or after

hidden bay
#

depends what you use first

waxen oyster
#

Oh they're both off gcd

#

so didnt know that mattered

balmy condor
#

I mean it matters because whatever order they get cast in gets calculated

#

when they trigger, they check what stats

hidden bay
#

since maghar is one of the two highest secondary stats you can still be unlucky forsenE

haughty flicker
#

which order does two ogcds get cast in with a macro

waxen oyster
#

Yeah so you'd want to put priory first

haughty flicker
#

is it just whichever is listed first

waxen oyster
#

though rolling crit on use seems kinda meh?

hidden bay
#

i would put whispyr first

waxen oyster
#

isn't dwarf/human likely going to be better

#

in last season anyway

haughty flicker
#

i start all my burst macros with /whisper whispyr

#

but he never responds

waxen oyster
#

% increases usually are

haughty flicker
waxen oyster
#

green orcs have always fallen off with every tier since their values are flat

balmy condor
waxen oyster
#

Bro's gonna hit priory first

#

to not get inted

hidden bay
#

just play house of cards and eye all bosses

heavy jolt
#

does bait and switch stack with elusivness?

waxen oyster
#

Is it even worth sending dinar on eye

#

arent you using it on only gally

haughty flicker
#

i mean my crit is like not even remotely close enough to mastery to have to worry

hidden bay
#

if they dont nerf eye, yes

#

for next tier

haughty flicker
#

eye will prob be useful next tier

#

if its not nerfed

waxen oyster
#

i was planning to mostly for next tier

#

yeah

haughty flicker
#

it'll probably be nerfed though

waxen oyster
#

since only things i can buy really are

#

jastor/hoc

#

otherwise

haughty flicker
#

i might buy hoc next week just to play sub

#

otherwise its just a second jastors and eye bc why not

waxen oyster
#

i just need to go back and kill oab

hidden bay
#

sub???

#

just play fatebound

waxen oyster
#

which is a very, uninvolved fight for rogue

#

i watched like 3 povs

#

mf is just chasing boss

#

entire time

haughty flicker
#

yup

#

hit boss and afk

waxen oyster
#

wait for your hunter to do coins

#

is basically the fight

balmy condor
hidden bay
runic hinge
#

Can’t wait to do all my prog as fatebound next tier

#

Rank 1 fb logs

hidden bay
#

i am so ready

runic hinge
#

Okay rank 2 fb logs

grim jay
#

ready to jump ship

haughty flicker
#

this tier every boss had adds so next tier no boss will have adds

#

and fatebound will shine

fallow canopy
#

Surely

waxen oyster
#

I wish fatebound actually was good

#

and not like

#

total ass

fallow canopy
grim jay
#

fatebound is a piece of garbage

#

even if its only ST the entire tier

waxen oyster
#

like shaman they managed

#

to somewhat balance totemic and stormbringer

grim jay
#

fatebound feels like shit

runic hinge
#

It feels like shit cause you can miss so bad

#

Also if you get lucky coin and get back to 7 you don’t get rewarded beyond that. Like it hit a 14 stack yesterday but what is the point

#

I don’t even get the capstone extra damage for getting to 7 a second time on the same face

#

Deal fate 5 combo points from double muti crit feels amazing tho

deep breach
#

Hey guys, in big packs. whats the best way to spread bleeds? is it just from the mob with DM or should i be tabbing to other mobs to spread more? (sorry if this has been asked a million times)

rocky zodiac
#

Do we target swap for myth Bandit adds or cleave from Boss?

sullen mural
#

cleave

pliant remnant
#

Never swap

steel shadow
#

and even then

#

gm is trolling u

rocky zodiac
#

tyty all

small wasp
#

How important is off hand dagger’s ilevel?

sullen mural
#

Not at all

runic hinge
#

Least important slot

haughty flicker
#

shirt ilvl less important but otherwise yeah

hidden bay
steel shadow
runic hinge
#

Nah. Need epic shirt

haughty flicker
#

there are only two acceptable shirts and neither are epic

steel shadow
rocky zodiac
prisma monolithBOT
#

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

  • The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
  • You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

scarlet orbit
#

On mythic gallywix. Does the frontal target anyone?

runic terrace
#

For the standard full ST-Specc (Fatebound): Snould I always get Fateful Ending after the opener? And, if not, I did something wrong or is it more or less luck?

balmy condor
#

it's a 50/50

#

you need the envenom before deathmark to extend the chain

#

if it doesn't, you don't get the capstone

runic terrace
#

got it, thanks (as always!)

wide gorge
#

Gallywix down!!!!!

deep breach
autumn idol
worldly dock
#

Any1 got dc'ed?

hidden bay
#

yes. EU is dead

silver pine
#

yes dc and cant log back in

worldly dock
#

last boss priory 12% hp my last 12 ....

#

for resi

#

8 min to go

humble verge
#

lulw

pliant remnant
#

smol indie

prime hull
#

Game down time to yap?

normal mist
#

yes

spice spire
#

Always

haughty flicker
#

the beauty of assa is you have plenty of time to yap even while playing

maiden sierra
#

Studying for an exam is making me question my life choices. I hated highschool, why did i think uni was a good idea...

maiden sierra
worthy rose
#

holy shit

#

i cant believ ei spent the entirety of last season playing shadow priest and not knowing i had to recast shadow crash every 20s to refresh dots on aoe pulls

#

no wonder my aoe damage was so shit

haughty flicker
worthy rose
#

i am actually inting

#

no wonder my single target was beastmode and when it came to mythics and aoe i was dogshit

#

LOL

#

last night i literally tripled my dps in one simple move

#

whats funnier is nobody in the priest discord could tell me that

#

and none of my friends knew either until it took another irl friend playing priest and trying shadow for like 2 dungeons

#

then watching me play shadow

#

"wheres your shadow crash on details???"

haughty flicker
worthy rose
#

i was under the impression your usual shadow rotation refreshes dots

#

and it does

#

but only on your main target

coral ibex
#

erm the spriest i just did a 12 with barely cast it

worthy rose
#

so every other dot lapses

#

LOL

#

tell him to cast shadowcrash on cd

#

it should always be on cd and being used

half tartan
#

Any expected buffs to sin it feels a lil lackluster compared to the other specs on farm.

coral ibex
worthy rose
#

the shadow crash itself doesnt do much damage tho

#

its just to apply all dots to all targets in the area

coral ibex
#

they cast it 47 times in a dungeon

#

idk if thats right

worthy rose
#

ok thats fairly diabolical

#

it should be more than that

royal lantern
coral ibex
#

they were not blowing my mind

worthy rose
#

its only a 20second cooldown

#

it should be more than that

#

i was doing about 3-3.5mil overall in dungeons at 650ilvl

coral ibex
#

this guy was 676

worthy rose
#

thats

#

fuckin diabolical

#

surely the scaling from 650 to 670 means he should be like 4.5mil

#

also thats an epic name

#

goblin lawnmower

coral ibex
#

ty

runic hinge
#

Shadow is not great in keys

coral ibex
#

it was my gally name

runic hinge
#

For what it’s worth

nimble tartan
#

guys tomorrow ill be spending my dinar on a downgrade

#

so i dont have to press my magnet anymore

#

ty

worthy rose
#

i dont know what to spend my dinar on

coral ibex
#

smh

worthy rose
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i got a house of cards heroic in my vault

coral ibex
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magnet owns

worthy rose
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and i bought the hero jastor diamond

coral ibex
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im getting mythic jastor for sure

worthy rose
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i aint clearing mythic raid boss so i have nothing to use it for

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heroic eye of kezan is probably not as good as mythic seaforium

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so its a dead draw

nimble tartan
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i got the mythic jastor already

hidden bay
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Seaforium if I don’t get it from my one key vault

coral ibex
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i bought signet first

nimble tartan
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mhm thats what im gettin hero

worthy rose
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look at this nerd with his mythic jastor

nimble tartan
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herp

worthy rose
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jk im jealous

nimble tartan
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i got a signet from my vault

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so ima be signet and seaforium pure afk

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vibes only

coral ibex
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i guess pacemaker would be my final purchase but its a downgrade

molten willow
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So im running Deathstalker ST build this is my break down for 5 minutes on a dummy is my damage distribution here correct or incorrect in areas?

balmy condor
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yeah looks about right

molten willow
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Oh hey Whispyr! šŸ˜„

balmy condor
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hiya

molten willow
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How goes it

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also thank you

viscid spear
balmy condor
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quite annoyed atm cause the build im setting up for poe1 atm looks pissugly but I can't find a better way to path the tree KEKL

trail scarab
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I dont know what i am missing, but i am simming droptimizer ST and i have 636 belt and wrist(crafted from previous season) and belt should overall give more stats if i craft to 681 but on sim it gives less damage than upgrading wrist to 681? peepoguns

balmy condor
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link the sim

worthy rose
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according to warcraftlogs the average shadow priest does 1mil dps

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LOL

worthy rose
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1mil throughout an entire overall dungeon

trail scarab
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it doesnt take the nerubian thing over?

nimble tartan
balmy condor
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yah it doesn't copy embellishments

balmy condor
trail scarab
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ahh ok

nimble tartan
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if you play above a minimum effort and become at least a mid maxer its an upgrade

molten willow
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Nice kind of build you going for

balmy condor
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making a molten strike of the zenith chieftain for a friend

trail scarab
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im kinda lost tho, do you guys think its worth just ugprading all my crafted pieces from previous season to 681? not going to be able to raid mythic so those 681 items look very nice :D

balmy condor
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yeah I mean if you have the sparks why not

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crests are infinite

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yolo

trail scarab
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i have 5 left so far

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yolo

royal lantern
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sparka kinda exist for that

make the 2 embelishment items->use sparks to fill slots

worthy rose
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is your mythic dagger in your offhand? @trail scarab

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according to that droptimizer link it is

molten willow
trail scarab
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its 639 mythic dagger from last season

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i wear 681 crafted in main hand

runic hinge
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Belt is gonna be here in three weeks I’d craft that last

worthy rose
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ooh right

trail scarab
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im just superduper late to the party kermit_pepe

worthy rose
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mainhand > trinkets > main pieces > rings/necklace > offpieces > offhand

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is the priority of upgrading gear usually