#assassination

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potent raven
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😈

thorn thorn
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Mages always gotta be good

rotund oak
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coz they exist

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sht created perfect for everything

royal lantern
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tbf, arcane dmg is just

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how is that allowed to be in the game

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its just dumb

thorn thorn
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Cuz its a mage

rotund oak
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stupidass class has eveyrthing

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mobility/immunity/dmg/lust/raid buff/infinite cc

royal lantern
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arcane mage will evaporate enemys faster then everyone else while being 15ilvl behind

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its just ???????????????????

thorn thorn
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The mages have lobbied blizzard to let them be op

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Instead of playing shadow I should have fotm to arcane

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But I didnt want to contribute to the ever growing population of terrible mages

fallow canopy
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Why are you so based

thorn thorn
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I do my best

red schooner
thorn thorn
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Never forget Arcane got a rotational bug to be left in because they complained enough on the forums that it added depth to the rotation

red schooner
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Our mage on mugzee prog, guess how many mine soaks he did. In 20-something pulls

thorn thorn
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So blizzard reversed the bugfix

red schooner
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Which is just HOLY

thorn thorn
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I eat the mines like candy

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Explosive Airheads

red schooner
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I mean yeah same, for some reason the mine spawn thing is hard for me to see so I just shimmy back from boss for a moment for safety at this point

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Cos we outgear it to fuck and have to hold DPS sometimes, so like, fuck it. Play it safe.

hidden bay
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@balmy condor get an EU account and we can play together

pliant remnant
balmy condor
hidden bay
bronze pike
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new "sin needs to restealth" forum post dropped

runic hinge
bronze pike
royal lantern
runic hinge
bronze pike
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i am not afraid

thorn thorn
hidden bay
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what a sore loser

wary crow
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mecagon 14 bleed is still better ?

runic hinge
ember mural
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real

thorn thorn
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He is so real for that

hidden bay
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sin doesnt need restealth

bronze pike
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we must but

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put

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cdr on vanish

royal lantern
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hell no

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the CDr madness must end

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not added to more stuff

runic hinge
lunar pond
thorn thorn
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Another for my collection

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I offer this in exchange

runic hinge
bronze pike
runic hinge
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Trolling lol

thorn thorn
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I have many clips

wary crow
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so maybe hybrid is better sooner

deep hemlock
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you can team up with classes that do stronger ST damage, you can pump more on trash

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play what you enjoy tbh

wary crow
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i enjoy both

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i don't play what i hate ahaha

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so when i enjoy 2 option i try to figure what's the best choice

deep hemlock
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you can swap talents depending on the group i suppose

wary crow
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but idk if that's more effective with this kind of key, i'll try next time heh

hidden bay
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@balmy condor somehow theres no fatebound talent import in the guide

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is that intended???

thorn thorn
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Prolly cuz fatebound is ass cheeks

pastel roost
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It is what it is

hidden bay
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no cleave build, hello???

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gotta make sure ill land there tomorrow salute

runic hinge
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I forgot to do my keys yesterday as fatebound. I’ll try to remember tonight

hidden bay
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the highest logged m+ with fatebound is a +13 ToP

runic hinge
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Shit I can beat that

hidden bay
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ok theres this one guy

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he played fatebound in all dungeons

runic hinge
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Yikes

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During heroic week s1 I did fb heroic dungeons and would get lucky coin pretty consistently

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It’s easier when you can open from stealth with stacks already

hidden bay
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ok that was an old log from a month ago

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newer log

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haha

runic hinge
hidden bay
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giga chad spotted

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30 coins is crazy

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time to recraft stuff for raid wagmi

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might have to use item restoration to get signet back

thorn thorn
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And why is the uptime so ass

hidden bay
thorn thorn
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Oh right its that one

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Such a trash capstone

hidden bay
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its the big one

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ye

thorn thorn
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1.77% uptime on a capstone is aintnoway

autumn idol
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i love envenom

thorn thorn
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Is that in floodgate

autumn idol
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Ye

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big momma

runic hinge
runic hinge
waxen oyster
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contributions of fatebound are piss

autumn idol
waxen oyster
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compared to ds

runic hinge
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Every time you come out of stealth you match two flips

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You have two vanish charges. You can end pulls close or spend a charge to flip better

hidden bay
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and then your tank trolls and doesnt pull

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boom buff gone, vanish charges gone wagmi

runic hinge
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Yeah you want the chain pulls

thorn thorn
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Oh I see so the gameplay is cringe

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Awesome

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Very common Fatebound L

waxen oyster
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4.8m 12 rookery

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not bad

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no motw or skyfury

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idk how people are doing just over 2m at 679

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I did one rookery as sub and my god

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this spec is beans

thorn thorn
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While also playing shit cuz im ass at the spec

waxen oyster
thorn thorn
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Its ok I wouldnt trust me either

waxen oyster
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i’ve done pwar keys where im not 4th on dps

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in a priory

thorn thorn
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The only thing you can count on me doing is using MD to instantly zap away the dispell affix

waxen oyster
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like bro why am i third on dps

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?????

thorn thorn
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Tickles my brain in a weird way to pre cast MD and zap away the affix before anybody else can touch it

waxen oyster
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also i beat the ret and boomy on 2nd boss

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which is pure st

waxen oyster
thorn thorn
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I dont do that cuz im not a bastard

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Actually thats a lie I did it one time because the monk tried to rop one into me

balmy condor
hidden bay
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can you make it viable?

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write an article about it

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surely blizzard listens

waxen oyster
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did he die

thorn thorn
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Yes

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He had a bomb shoved into him he is dead as fuck

waxen oyster
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wait wtf is that death animation

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idk that race

hidden bay
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THAT race

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nice profiling bro

waxen oyster
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I mean if you play male nelf

thorn thorn
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I wanna say nelf

waxen oyster
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i feel you’re gonna int my key

thorn thorn
waxen oyster
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like who in their right mind plays male nelf

thorn thorn
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And was just back tanking the whole time

waxen oyster
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instead of female

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i had one lose to a bear on first boss of rookery

hidden bay
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fatebound go brrrr

thorn thorn
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Always check their fit

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If the tanks mog is bad leave the key

waxen oyster
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he had the new store set

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well he was havoc

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but sucked at it

runic hinge
hidden bay
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no way you are in a key rn

thorn thorn
waxen oyster
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if you’re gonna play a male elf dh

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at least go shirtless

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and show off the dh tattoos

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smh

runic hinge
waxen oyster
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look at these non void ritual chads

young helm
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Hi , any known streamers that are running bleed build?

buoyant herald
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maybe some small ones, most of the more popular rogue streamers will be doing the higher keys that want the zeross cook

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what are we even calling that now

gritty laurel
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the "if you have to ask, just don't" build

hidden bay
runic hinge
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He’s cooking

thorny fog
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Signet or priory or house of cards

hidden bay
runic hinge
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Whichever is higher ilvl

balmy condor
gritty laurel
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your favorite one, they're basically the same

balmy condor
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So I’m calling it cleave

buoyant herald
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when's it going in the guide šŸ˜‰

jaunty sky
thorn thorn
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That means typing in Outlaw

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No thanks

jaunty sky
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they were stuck with it for the whole of season 1

runic hinge
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And they complained and look where that got them

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Killing spree enjoyers

devout mirage
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!whispyr

waxen oyster
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sometimes i wonder if
people know

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that discord has a search feature

devout mirage
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wich command for DM plater?

runic hinge
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
waxen oyster
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i need new gromnak clip heat

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tradechat buyer

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and

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m+ers infesting my raid

hidden bay
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time to craft a ring for more crit/vers garf_sit

ember mural
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love vers

balmy condor
runic hinge
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Ps can’t wait to do fatebound Assa keys later

winged sun
runic hinge
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Please tricks quake harder

winged sun
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Zerossthinking new build

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op?!?!?

thorn thorn
winged sun
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that is fatebound

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no raid buffs no bl

thorn thorn
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Oh

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Do some keys šŸ‘€

ember mural
loud hawk
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is there any website or smth that showing graphs or numbers % dmg for class buffs on Assasination

runic hinge
winged sun
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everything is wrong about that build

thorn thorn
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I believe in you

hidden bay
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shame

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go and play sub or outlaw

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disgrace

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😔

thorn thorn
uneven pine
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is it true that Echoing Void is bugged?

hidden bay
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check the pins OMGScoots

hidden bay
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but yeah, avoid it

fast phoenix
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Funhouse lens simming 0.5% higher than my house of cards wasn’t on my bingo card

willow rover
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What is the ideal secondary stat % distribution

red schooner
prisma monolithBOT
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
hidden bay
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just sim yourself

coral ibex
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the ideal secondary % distribution is the one that sims highest for your character

buoyant herald
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What’s the best pet?

thorn thorn
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Arfus

buoyant herald
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True

balmy condor
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Best pet is @silk bane

silk bane
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Uwu?

runic hinge
winged sun
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guys i did 8m overall with this build in floodgates

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envenom is hitting like a truck with 50% crit chance

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!

main monolith
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serious? pog

winged sun
thorn thorn
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Title:

R1 player did 8m overall in floodgate with Fatebound, Wowhead is washed

buoyant herald
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Further proof the guidewriters are keeping us plebs down

jaunty warren
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I view all zeross statement like those coming from an Olympic athlete…attainable but only with massive investment and skill

hidden bay
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this is gonna be doomed tomorrow wagmi was hitting the dummy for 20 minutes now

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and didnt get a single lucky coin

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its over

grizzled lynx
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what weak auras do u use?

hidden bay
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noone of those linked in here

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theres an OG rogue shhh

grizzled lynx
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could u pass me one?

hidden bay
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if you want fancy shit, get whispyrs

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hidden bay
solar eagle
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is bubbling wax worth using for M+? i dont raid on my rogue

buoyant herald
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no

autumn idol
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no

solar eagle
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ty

autumn idol
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i dont even know what bubbling wax is

spice spire
runic hinge
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I was still at the top of the stairs when I died bozo

thorn thorn
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Quake gaslighting people again

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A classic

fervent fractal
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I know you guys said you dont need a WA to capture garrote and rupture count but after using one I noticed I don't cast enough garrotes

autumn idol
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does anyone have any tips on how to calm down after darkfuse inspector randomly inspects you and pulls you out of stealth when you're playing cleave build

thorn thorn
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I have suggestions but they arent good

loud hawk
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rookery 16 should i play the cleave build ?

fervent fractal
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and the companion one for rupture

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looks like so

buoyant herald
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Ah nice

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That’ll replace my home cook nicely

runic hinge
runic hinge
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real

fervent fractal
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standard caustic spatter build for heroic gally and mug zee?

runic hinge
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yeah

spice surge
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The only boss you could consider swapping talents on is swapping caustic for internal bleeding for sprocket

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Otherwise its just the same talents everywhere Surebud

buoyant herald
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can't forget CT for big pad on stix šŸ˜›

autumn idol
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stix doesnt matter

spice sentinel
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just spatter all over the god damned place

worthy rose
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nut spatter on everythingm

visual sun
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!rik

prisma monolithBOT
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Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

  • Not your problem.
  • Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
  • If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
  • Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
    With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
  • Swap to Subtlety.
topaz idol
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I hear nothing but good things about caustic splatter, but It never performs well. I think the idea is that it basically AOE's your poison damage on one target? How am I supposed to use it?

buoyant herald
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envenom is poison damage

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envenom do big dam

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big splatter

topaz idol
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Envenom is nature damage?..? does the game consider it the same thing?

balmy condor
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Yes

topaz idol
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ok ty, its amazing

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i love you

balmy condor
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For most things if it says ā€œpoisonā€ you can just interpret it as ā€œnatureā€ and if it says ā€œweapon poisonā€ that’s actually just the poisons themselves, deadly/amp/atrophic, etc

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Zoldyck, mastery -> buff basically all nature damage

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Plague damage? Also nature

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Cosmic? Also nature

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Deathstalker mark, Hunt them down, clear the witnesses, fatebound coins

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All count for everything

topaz idol
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is death marking a CS target worth the GCD in a big pull?

west crown
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Just focus the prio

topaz idol
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I jsut realized that indescriminate carnage also effects rupture, not just garrote

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i feel dumb

balmy condor
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that is the main draw of it yeah

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scent of blood is very good

hollow stream
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Using Bleed Build, M+/keys , on large pack pulls, is there a max number of targets i should look to spread garrote/rupture on? Or just spread to 5 and go with the rest of priority/rotation etc

winged sun
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ofc

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u get more dots = more aoe dmg

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unless ur playing bleed build thats abit different possibly

topaz idol
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YOU'RE GONNA see me ask a bunch of dipshit questions, sorry. BUT!! Sometimes Caustic mark doesn't seem to apply. Is that because there is an internal CD of 10 seconds before being able to apply it again? Even if the CS target dies?

slate crown
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Caustic spatter is applied on target with rupture and dp

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if you mutilate without rupture on it it won't spatter

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there's no icd

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Review tooltips Surebud

topaz idol
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Yea, sometimes i swear both are on a target, but mutilate doesnt apply CS. If CS is already applied, will it remove it from the old target and put it on the new?

slate crown
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Yes it will remove from old target and apply it to new

topaz idol
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ah, it's just ebcause my UI doesn't display more than 5 debuffs directly above the model, but it does display on the target frame. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

slate crown
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yeh clean that up Surebud

marsh hill
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Hey the set piece head for ass is versatility, should i convert my gear to it? I thought versatility was ass for ass

balmy condor
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should sim it

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we don't have bad stats

marsh hill
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oh

runic hinge
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All stats good

meager plank
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!up

topaz idol
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is garrote the goat?

balmy condor
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is this a pissrot low key

topaz idol
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yea im lvl 78 😦

balmy condor
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oh

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SUPER pissrot low

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yeah that's fine then

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the breakdown is kinda whack for normal m+ but looks fine generally

topaz idol
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assassination rogue is fuckign insane, wow this calss is fun

runic hinge
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REAL

waxen oyster
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leveling never gives a good picture of any class

rotund oak
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u are cooking ym friend

waxen oyster
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yeah i forgot people do leveling dungeons

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questing usually faster

topaz idol
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im always doing something else not in wow when im in queue

rotund oak
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ah u are lvling nvm

waxen oyster
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funniest leveling experience was tww launch

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go on warrior

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press fyralath

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delete pack

rotund oak
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balanced wpn

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ret even

waxen oyster
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yeah idk rogue is like

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complete asscheeks at leveling

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compared to other melee

rotund oak
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rogue must have the worse lvling experience yeah

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idk

slim copper
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do you guys have any tips or tricks on optimizing dps for fights like OAB or Mugzee where there is more movement and forced add swapping? I know the Richard rule, but does that always apply?

rotund oak
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i only enjoyed lvling sub

waxen oyster
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i enjoyed outlaw leveling

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when you could onetap everything

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XDDD

rotund oak
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too slow

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sub just jumps around

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1 ss

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go next

waxen oyster
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ehh outlaw with mfd

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was next level goofy

slim copper
rotund oak
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still slower

waxen oyster
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i mean mythic oab

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is pad on booty more

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actually all 3 are....

slim copper
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heroic* sorry

waxen oyster
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idk

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i hit boss and never swap off

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I need to fix 4 bosses.

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The lack of uniformity is triggering me.

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No one logged my 4.5 vexie

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like a month ago

slim copper
waxen oyster
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i mean you arent gonna parse in a pug

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guild run or sale

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generally

slim copper
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havent gotten vexie log in a month or two

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the fucking wild thing is my dps is really close to yours on some of these. Just a matter of when you parsed im guessing

waxen oyster
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i havent killed a non skip boss

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in over a month

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maybe more

slim copper
waxen oyster
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cauldron is 3/25

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662

gloomy heart
waxen oyster
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wee yellow man

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obvs heroic

gloomy heart
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Mine looks a little similar on fire mage

waxen oyster
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just bugs me when i have heroics

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not at 99

gloomy heart
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actually nah i only got stix 99

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Vexie is hard to parse unless you got a goat group

slim copper
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now my normal parses... SHEEESH

gloomy heart
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Last three will be the end of me

stable island
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mage parses cringe

waxen oyster
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I got an 88 on dh on mugzee first boss i ever did this season as havoc

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idk if people are just beans at this spec

rotund oak
gloomy heart
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It’s prob me playing bad on them

waxen oyster
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play td for the gamba bros

waxen oyster
random sparrow
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

barren yarrow
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anyone have a good mouse WA so i dont lose it anymore lol

royal lantern
barren yarrow
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Ty

strange tundra
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anyone got the pink cursor or is that vanilla through options?

worldly dock
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Any1 have a good plater profile for m+? Or where can see some ?

royal lantern
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
sullen mural
bright tartan
heady drum
royal lantern
rotund oak
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why would u need a mouse cursor WA

bright tartan
balmy condor
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If you have 30 fps wouldn’t your everything lag

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What’s that gotta do with a cursor wa

balmy condor
strange tundra
grim jay
royal lantern
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its helpfull to see your coursor better tbh

glacial lantern
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How's assassination aoe compared to the other rogue specs?

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It seems better, but more finicky to deal with

rotund oak
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like even before that

haughty flicker
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im very proud of you

rotund oak
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we should meet

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ill make u ever more :3

haughty flicker
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sorry if i get too close to grass i might die

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cant risk it

rotund oak
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heartbroken

rotund oak
rotund oak
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my frames take a deep dive

strange tundra
rain berry
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evasion doesnt work for rik reverb aoe?

haughty flicker
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not anymore

rain berry
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sad

rotund oak
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it will inevidably come from vault sooner or later but the sooner the better

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wanna smell how 15-16s are on the rogue

grim jay
rotund oak
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sitting on all my crafted 681 pieces and waiting for one

grim jay
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fair

sullen mural
sonic pagoda
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can confirm bleed build is just fine in 15s havent gotten invited to 16s yet and just hit my resil 14s 2 days ago

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youll top meters

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just not boss dmg lmao

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so bring some boss dmg

plucky patio
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Any specific Tips for Mythic Gallywix progress?

royal lantern
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Do soaks

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bait the laser

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šŸ™‚

proud depot
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hey assa newbie here - for 12+ keys playing m+ spec with kingsnane or without?

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had like tankdps on singletargets when playing without kingsbane

subtle tundra
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bleed and hybrid builds have the same ST

worldly dock
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!WA

prisma monolithBOT
sonic pagoda
sonic pagoda
subtle tundra
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dont @ me unless youre 3.9k rio

young sun
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why are you guys so aggresive?

royal lantern
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they are kinda joking

sonic pagoda
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i get it though new rogues come here to ask questions and see the top 50 running hybrid cleave with 3800 io and just no lol

royal lantern
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i mean

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they literally do have the same st

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"hybrid" and "cleave" are not the same build fyi

subtle tundra
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no man it has no kingsbane it makes no sense that it does the same st as the build with kingsbane, the single target ability!

thick comet
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Hey, new to rogue, currently playing the Bleed Build for M+, ofc theres only 5 training dummies, but for large pack pulls, is there a max number of targets i should look to spread garrote/rupture on? Or just spread to 5 and go with the rest of priority/rotation?

sonic pagoda
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yeah take a kingsbane talent in these low dog 12 keys and watch youll do like 2mil oveall

sonic pagoda
subtle tundra
thick comet
sonic pagoda
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Indiscriminate carnage

proud depot
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With that build i was always similar dps on bosses like Our Tank

sonic pagoda
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basically you just slam garote and rupture into the prio target until it spreads then commense with cooldowns

proud depot
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And kingsbane build was just 3-4% below in aoe but more than 15%+ on st

sacred schooner
golden loom
subtle tundra
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he might be saying random things

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im not sure

golden loom
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but usually 5 ruptures is fine and then u can build with garotte during the IC duration

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until everything has garotte

glacial lantern
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Is indiscriminate carnage that far down just to torture people?

thick comet
#

Ok cool, thanks for the advice šŸ˜„

subtle tundra
#

i hope they delete carnage

#

maybe ill come back to the game

proud depot
#

So which of the specs i Should Stick?
I wont push with assa just for 12 keys

sacred schooner
#

make it baseline

sacred schooner
#

bleed

glacial lantern
#

Carnage shouldn't rely on stealth

subtle tundra
#

holy shit

sacred schooner
#

check whispyr guide on wowhead

sonic pagoda
#

rofl

glacial lantern
#

By the way, does anyone use fatebound for sin rogue?

#

Is is just shit?

sacred schooner
#

yes

sonic pagoda
#

idk man you just open on the prio target and slamm garrote and rupture like 3 times and its spread to like 6-7 targets you have a 6 second window of spreading from stealth

#

no one uses fatebound

golden loom
glacial lantern
#

Why is fate so bad for sin?

sacred schooner
#

it has zero aoe

subtle tundra
#

cause the numbers arent high

golden loom
#

more than 1 target it nerfs itself

sonic pagoda
#

fate is bad for all specs

glacial lantern
#

I see, yea, the target thing is also the reason why it's not used for outlaw

golden loom
#

and not hitting capstone feels bad (even if its only like -7%)

glacial lantern
#

Slightly more st damage ain't worth the tradeoff

#

You lose like 20% damage on blade flurry

#

Insanity

sonic pagoda
#

90% of a dungeon is trash

#

who cares about single target

#

until ST becomes an issue

glacial lantern
#

It's important, but it's not worth the tradeoff

golden loom
#

well if we are talking about fatebound we for sure are not talking about m+

glacial lantern
#

And fatebound is slightly more st, not A LOT more

sonic pagoda
#

just grab a warrior or soemthing with single target issue resolved

glacial lantern
#

For outlaw

sonic pagoda
#

this is assa mutilate channel

#

fatebound is not more st than trickster either just go look at logs

#

play the builds do the things you will see

glacial lantern
#

For sin i have no idea, you said it's bad in aoe, dunno for st

#

Probably not great

sonic pagoda
#

fatebound for mut rogue is nonexistent.....

subtle tundra
#

mut rogue 😭

glacial lantern
#

So basically it's just all around shit?

ashen totem
#

bro, we are just typing for fun this sunday

sonic pagoda
#

brother play it and get laughed at while doing tank dmg idk what to tell you

golden loom
#

and in raid it can be like 1,5% better on PURE st but still cringe rng

subtle tundra
#

its just horrendously bad

glacial lantern
#

Lol

#

Holy shit

#

That's actually embarrassing

subtle tundra
#

it doesnt have a capstone in m+, it nerfs itself in aoe

glacial lantern
#

At least for outlaw it's not awful in st

subtle tundra
#

it isnt for assa in pure STeither

#

but its RNG

#

so nobody plays it

#

cause you can lowroll

glacial lantern
#

Fate is like buff for all damage, or mostly st damage proc

#

If i recall correctly

subtle tundra
#

the damage proc spatters for assa/flurries for outlaw

#

so it isnt really ST

glacial lantern
#

I think it's capped at 3 though

#

Or at least the cap is very low

royal lantern
glacial lantern
#

i think it's more than just rng

#

It's just bad damage, not well designed

royal lantern
#

ita bad desinged and bad dmg because of rng

glacial lantern
#

Not really, frost dk is really good damage and rng, it's bad damage because it's bad damage

royal lantern
#

doing a NP reclear and 5 Bosses without getting the capstone once because the desing is "coinflip rng lol"

#

who needs consistent performance in a game about consistent performance right

sullen mural
royal lantern
sullen mural
#

CAUGHT guilty of doing that

royal lantern
#

when a tree is so fucking bad that its literally slightly ahead but its rng Design doesnt even gurantee that

sullen mural
#

Opener felt a lot more fun to play in fatebound tho

royal lantern
#

the opener is the same?

#

nothing Changes mate dracthyr_kek

glacial lantern
#

YOu made the point that it's bad damage because of rng, my rebuttal was it's not the rng, it's simply because the damage is shit, and i made the example using frost dk, which is pretty amazing damage, and much more rng than fate

royal lantern
#

man, you literally cant even trigger the trees capstone cus of rng

glacial lantern
#

That's bad design

royal lantern
#

like, a huge part of its powerbudget is literally gated by coinflipping

#

it goes beyond "frost dk is lucky/unlucky with procs"

glacial lantern
#

Yes, it's because fatebound is badly designed

sullen mural
#

Depends on rng

#

I meant more fun cuz u get to envenom more

#

Didnt say your opener changes but i felt a difference on the opener in how many buttons i get out compared to deathstalker

#

well not buttons but envenoms

#

you know what i mean

glacial lantern
#

So can mutilate proc up to 6 combo points in a single press with fate?

spice surge
#

No, up to 5

glacial lantern
#

I see

spice surge
#

It can only give 1 cp

glacial lantern
#

So it's 1 more flat, not 1 more per hit

spice surge
#

Not 1 per fate proc

#

If you proc seal fate get 1 more, not 1 more per seal fate proc

#

Ye

glacial lantern
#

Got it, thanks

royal lantern
# sullen mural

???

are you really trying to say that using mutilate maybe 1 times instead if 2 times is a diffferent opener

sullen mural
#

It is

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when you pull the same boss

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200 times

royal lantern
#

evne more so when you literally just cant crit anyway OMEGAKEKW

#

holy mother of cooked

spice surge
#

But im fairly confident that there is some bug, either in sims or ingame, that is making deathstalker better or fatebound worse.

#

Because in testing fatebound does not seem better, and the RNG difference isnt that big

#

Just insanely hard to figure out what it is, ive looked at what i'd consider to be most things shrugeg

#

(not in the way the sim is playing, but moreso the way numbers are calculated behind the scenes btw)

sullen mural
#

I didnt really check logs but im fairly certain i played half half on sprocket and apart from opener fatebound just felt so much worse

#

Even when we got deep into the fight where you should have the 7% agi buff up i just felt like idid less dmg eventhough my sim was like +2% with fatebound or whatever

royal lantern
#

fatebound is dumb enough to be in your face with its rng

#

and in your face rng is the worst

#

like, the difference can be miniscule

#

the fact that you can see it and see bad streaks is enough to make it feel dogshit

sullen mural
#

Thing is i dont think any of the pulls i did i did more damage than my deathstalker pulls

#

and the rng isnt that insane

sonic pagoda
#

why wont ppl understand sims are a computer in a perfet world calculatin highest of high rng that you wont liekly ever see and if you do your guild wont kill boss or you the iteration where you are pumping you jsut die lol

sullen mural
#

Doesnt the sim take average rng

spice surge
#

It does

sonic pagoda
#

which you will never see that average rng

spice surge
#

(or well, the median)

sonic pagoda
#

how many times you ever rolled a 50 on loot in this game?

sullen mural
#

?

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probably 50% of the time

sonic pagoda
#

never thats what i thought

sullen mural
#

cuz its average

#

=

#

?

sonic pagoda
#

rofl

#

I roll 80s-90s or 3s-18s thats the average lmao

autumn idol
#

epic ragebait

sullen mural
#

Idk im sure in my 70 pulls or whatever i had better rng than the sim

sonic pagoda
#

maybe the iteration that raidbots gave you sure

royal lantern
sonic pagoda
#

i beat my raid dummy target sim all the time....

#

whoa whoa this guy calling me stupid ?

#

how so?

glacial lantern
#

I think rng only really feels bad when you have a powerful proc with a very low proc rate

sonic pagoda
#

Tryan... let me see them m+ parses

#

nope bte proc rate of outlaw feels bad when it doesnt pop

#

feels great like dopamine rush when it procs like 9 times

humble verge
#

damn ngl

#

this months trading post is pretty good

sullen mural
#

Logging in just to check

glacial lantern
#

35% at 7 is actually kinda low in my opinion for such an important proc, in my opinion though, for outlaw the proc rate on opporunity and hidden opportunity is worse than ace

#

Ace at 5% would feel a lot better if opportunity and ho was slightly higher

sullen mural
cosmic robin
#

Bleed build on +16 still valid or should i swap to funnel build for more singletarget dps?

autumn idol
#

still valid

royal lantern
#

the only reason to play the "funnel" build in keys under like, +17-18

is to get a feeling for its gameplay tbh

#

and not for performance

scarlet orbit
#

Its just really fun that we can play different builds and switch it up sometimes just for the sake of switching

sonic pagoda
#

ive played the funnel build in a 15....so bleed builds does like 4-6 miil overall key depeneding and depending on buffs and tank pulls try the funnel build and did like 2.5 mil overall i set it ot he side...until you have a tank ready to pull half the dungeon into one pull and do that over and over again and everyone kicks and uses stops for your caustic spatter dmg to actually do dmg you use bleed

#

its the same as arcane mage...they are no fun absolutely no fun until you hit 14-15 keys the mobs just dont have enough health and coordinating pugs to pull properly for your prio and funnel dmg is nill

winged sun
#

Thats some yap if i’ve ever seen one

#

They do the same overall in high keys

nocturne quail
#

2.5 mil is crazy brother

winged sun
#

You just need to not suck at it

nocturne quail
#

Last season overall

winged sun
#

Thats why when i say its harder to play then a squared head guy shows up BUT ITS ONLY 2 RUPTURES THEN SPAM EVENOMS XD?

nocturne quail
#

Yeah and then 4/5 of your rupture targets die in first 2 globals of the pull because you just pressed it randomly

sonic pagoda
#

yeah idk i was trying to spread ruptures a lot and everything just died to quickly but if you say only 2 ruptures then spam enveom idk shit didnt live long enough

#

picture this little hybrid build zeroes runs and then a 682 ret pala and 680 mm hunter comes walking though no shot stuff lives long enough for spatter or anything to do dmg idk in like a 14 key

nocturne quail
#

If you doing 2.5 mil overall there’s surely plenty of room for you to improve

sonic pagoda
#

i did notice my bos dmg was more with the hybrid build just didnt do as much on trash

#

brother man

#

dustzx -area52 my shits okay

#

its not 99s or 100s just quite yet but its fine

autumn idol
#

99s nuts

sonic pagoda
#

or is it 99 parses?

#

it might be

#

i typically parse like 97th percentile idk

nocturne quail
#

You need to look at key % parse

#

Timing the key = good

sonic pagoda
#

kk

#

yeah i never understood m+ logs

royal lantern
sonic pagoda
#

i figure its based on execution of the whole group

autumn idol
haughty flicker
#

If I'm not topping overall I'd rather brick the key

#

What's the point in going on

royal lantern
#

based and real

sonic pagoda
#

oh man shit i have 100 parses as outlaw in keys?????

royal lantern
#

somebody gets pi in a pull around their cds?

#

gg HS out

nocturne quail
royal lantern
nocturne quail
sonic pagoda
#

listen guys i have all 97 parses as assa rogue? then i click the by key

#

and it shows 100s for outlaw

nocturne quail
royal lantern
#

mate, nobody logs keys

sonic pagoda
#

90s for 3 dungeons but like idk

nocturne quail
#

People definitely log keys

sonic pagoda
#

yeah its all just leaderboard

royal lantern
sonic pagoda
#

and yes ppl definetly log keys

royal lantern
#

better?

#

logging itself? yeha sure

sonic pagoda
#

legit i never looked at a dungeon log

#

ever in my life

royal lantern
#

but m+ parses are kinda a bigger meme then parses allready are

nocturne quail
#

That’s shindigs log, it’s a 100 on the right because it’s a 20, but the key % is 100 because it was legit lost overall at the time

#

There’s a lot you can learn from looking at better players logs even in keys bro

sonic pagoda
#

i mean parses only work if your group does well or if you end a fight in raid right after your cds lmao speed and hwat not no mechanics idk

royal lantern
sonic pagoda
#

cambush im sure there is or i can just pump the fuckin keys and keep pushing and learning?

#

and i pug

#

shindig has a fuckin group he plays with

nocturne quail
#

Yeah sure brother

sonic pagoda
#

like ....

#

camush how are your logs and what keys are you pushing if you are higher then me i will consider your advice if not....i think you know what ill say next

nocturne quail
#

there’s surely nothing you could do better

#

Cambush-area52

sonic pagoda
#

i never said i was perfect how the fuck are you this toxic

nocturne quail
#

Need one 17

golden loom
sonic pagoda
#

and youve been playing the entire season?

nocturne quail
#

Took like a month break from trying to get io until turbo boost

sonic pagoda
#

so i just got to 15 keys in 3 weeks lmao

#

oh so you were hard stuck and beaten down

autumn idol
nocturne quail
#

I was 15 resil on my enhance 2 months ago

autumn idol
#

opinion invalid

sonic pagoda
#

the grind will get you

nocturne quail
#

Like 9 weeks ago

#

I wasn’t trying to be toxic man I was trying to show you a way to improve

#

My bad man

sonic pagoda
#

idk i been back 3 weeks lmao i think im doing well im just trying to push as high as i can so that next season i get better groups and can stay ahead of the curve i think thats the play

royal lantern
#

what curve

sonic pagoda
#

you assumed i thought i was perfect lol...i dont i know the grind ive put in lmao

royal lantern
#

like

#

there are 200000 different m+ curves mate

sonic pagoda
#

oh there is a fuckin curve

#

the puggin curve

royal lantern
#

there are people that would say doing +13 keys is ahead of the curve

sonic pagoda
#

the adding fre3inds list social aspect of the game all that

royal lantern
#

and there are people that will say that not doing +19 keys is behind allready

sonic pagoda
#

13+ keys is way above the actual wow player

#

i mean 19+ keys is behind MDI and pro players sure

royal lantern
#

and like

sonic pagoda
#

im not going mdi

#

im not a pro

royal lantern
#

pugging kinda ends at +16-17 anyway

golden loom
#

why do a +19 for my weekly vault slot (that will be a 5th socket...)

sonic pagoda
#

im just an old college student trying to push some content and possibly get a title

royal lantern
#

unless you wanna spend 14hours a day bricking keys

sonic pagoda
#

why raid with 19 other people that suck at the game or youd have CE already

golden loom
#

CE today hopefully prayge

sonic pagoda
#

why would i sink 3-4 hours of something i just dont want to do? for gear that i wont get

golden loom
#

gally going down

sonic pagoda
#

good luck on CE gally easy you got this

scarlet orbit
#

For sure. And tommorow he dies for us. Dont wanna Raid anymore šŸ˜„

autumn idol
sonic pagoda
#

lol see once you get CE you dont play anymore unles syou do sell runs or want to fuck around and push some keys

autumn idol
royal lantern
#

almost 800 WR down

golden loom
#

I was kinda tilted first half of raid on wednesday

autumn idol
#

good luck to everyone killing gally :>

golden loom
#

then we had a 30% pull into a 17% pull

#

and I started having a blast

golden loom
sonic pagoda
#

yeah idk im good enough to get CE...i just dont care to raid and spend the time with ppl i dont really like m+ 4 other ppl i can chill with and say whatsup and be non PC lol and have a god time raiding is ghey

royal lantern
# autumn idol not rly

eh, you CAN still get some stuff done

but it enters the range where you will brick way more keys then you can time cus of the lack of communication

autumn idol
#

brother

royal lantern
#

sister

maiden sierra
#

mother

autumn idol
sonic pagoda
#

Thats the social aspect and building your friends list of ppl you can play with though and pug with

autumn idol
#

the entirety of my playtime yesterday

#

was spent in 18 flood and dfc

royal lantern
royal lantern
sonic pagoda
#

see you guys get CE then end up hating half your raid group

golden loom
sonic pagoda
#

becasue they suck

royal lantern
#

like sure, at some point you get it done, but you will brick soooooooooooo much stuff on the way

autumn idol
#

go into 1st pull
get aggro of shreddinator 3000 20s into the pull
die to melee

sonic pagoda
#

and how many times do you wipe in raid? and spend on repairs and consumables ???

golden loom
#

get to log in twice per week do some gaming and then play classic the rest of the week garf

maiden sierra
#

why is bro still going on about how raid bad

#

just play m+

autumn idol
#

i liked playing with @sullen mural in raid garf

maiden sierra
scarlet orbit
#

Why would i raid in a guild where i hate the guys im Playing with. Consumables and Repairs is on guild. And half of the time we just have a blast. This tier is just not the best raid to play

sonic pagoda
royal lantern
#

idk

#

weird tier

#

heroic? great

#

mythic? oof

hidden bay
#

this tier is fun, you guys just have wrong mindset

autumn idol
#

mythic is fine

sonic pagoda
#

this tier is easy though ?

golden loom
sonic pagoda
#

well thats good

royal lantern
maiden sierra
royal lantern
#

people just saw world first gally going down fast and then think "Lol easy"

#

and kinda forget that they are not world first players

sonic pagoda
autumn idol
#

i mean

#

gallywix is a joke

#

world first or not

#

boss stops doing mechanics after p1

royal lantern
#

he is, its still a boss that takes a respectable amount of pulls and coordination

autumn idol
#

and you outgear it hardcore

hidden bay
golden loom
#

I think problem is that entire raid goes into prog with the mindset that its easy

sonic pagoda
#

you understand i dont raid

golden loom
#

and then you spend 90 pulls on p1 garf

sonic pagoda
#

ive been back to the game for 3 weeks ???

#

i call it all easy

maiden sierra
autumn idol
#

woaaaa

sonic pagoda
autumn idol
#

you cant say that

scarlet orbit
#

Gallywix is for sure easier then Queen. But i dont find him a "bad" Boss.

autumn idol
#

its pride motnh

sonic pagoda
#

fegget about it

maiden sierra
#

kids these days think being edgy is a personality trait

sonic pagoda
#

mug'zee is the hard one right?

maiden sierra
autumn idol
#

not anymore

#

mugzee is hard outgeared

sonic pagoda
golden loom
#

like we've had 3 or 4 pulls reach intermission and we probably kill it when we get there 2 or 3 more times

sonic pagoda
#

im getting attacked by some catgurl guy named robn with brain injuries help

#

thats great

scarlet orbit
autumn idol
#

can i get attacked instead

#

that sounds like a great time

sonic pagoda
#

only if you ask nicely

autumn idol
#

like 3rd prison

#

before intermission

sonic pagoda
#

oh it had an overlap that made it difficult now ppl just dont even get to that point now im assuming

spice surge
autumn idol
#

yes

sonic pagoda
#

and with recent soak mech nerfs on gally was that for mythic too or nah just heroic

#

yall got CE easy

scarlet orbit
autumn idol
#

keep in mind

autumn idol
#

theres also delve belt

#

coming out

sonic pagoda
autumn idol
#

cyrce 2.0

#

kids are always toxic and ruthless no matter what era

sonic pagoda
#

yup

scarlet orbit
hidden bay
#

this dude has the cringe lvl of Guy from 6-7 years ago

sonic pagoda
#

unless its the wow made easy discord then no toxicity

autumn idol
#

we call it ragebaiting nowadays

scarlet orbit
#

Your right mb

haughty flicker
#

Never admit mistakes but cringe about them at 2 am

autumn idol
scarlet orbit
#

F....

autumn idol
#

dont worry buddy we playing poe in 2 weeks

#

šŸ¤

#

i took a week off

maiden sierra
#

have they fixed poe2 yet?

autumn idol
#

dont care

#

new poe 1 league

maiden sierra
#

oh they still make leagues for poe1

autumn idol
#

of course

#

its the superior game

maiden sierra
#

thats neat

#

yeah i stopped playing poe1 because i could not be bothered learning 20 different systems

autumn idol
#

yes but you feel so good when you master them

#

pov you just found out how fracturing and synthesising items works

maiden sierra
#

yeah, but games like last epoch or poe2 (before the shit update) are more my speed

autumn idol
#

the world is in your hands

sullen mural
autumn idol
sullen mural
#

I wouldnt say i mastered anythin with all my hours KEKW

autumn idol
#

yeah you have

#

you mastered these

tacit nest
#

Is there s2 plater/wa on bot?

spice surge
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
#

BfA guy had atleast some stuff behind himself

sudden brook
#

and ur all jealous

slim copper
maiden sierra
slate crown
maiden sierra
slate crown
potent raven
#

were getting there guys ,

maiden sierra
#

i may be 23, but on the inside im already rotting

maiden sierra
potent raven
#

they are so easy i timed them all first try

#

but im not getting accepted into 16s its just gg

#

its pointless

#

sitting 30 mins in q

grim jay
grim jay
#

yeah but usually not this amount

#

ilvl, corruptions and the belt incoming

potent raven
#

i love rogue so much but i hate sitting in queue its soo annoying

maiden sierra
#

yeah this season feels overcooked with power buffs

#

like if you dont even have CE now then youre kinda doomed

grim jay
#

ye probably best season to get into CE raiding

maiden sierra
#

gally took my guild 58 pulls garf

potent raven
#

been trying to get into a priory 15 for the past 20 mins omfg bro

#

im getting demotivated

maiden sierra
#

this is why i dont push keys

coral ibex
#

only 20 mins?