assassination

[slim copper]

am i crazy or did that say 611 ilvl?!

[thorn thorn]

I dont see a problem

[spice surge]

Presumably it would be 2/3s or something on other targets besides your main target and not the actual 8 seconds

[winged sun]

Ya 611 no enchants no nothing

[slim copper]

jesus

[fresh kelp]

don't lie zacmonk taunted all the tank hits

[winged sun]

No 4 set too

My entire gear was green/blue

My point isnt that

Its just that pugs dont play their classes near acceptable levels

Makes u think cc matters

When it doesnt

[thorn thorn]

The kicks matter more

[winged sun]

Kicks yes

They matter abit

[thorn thorn]

Cc value dropped a lot after the TWW change

Unless its vdh sigil

Cuz silence op

[spice surge]

Dropped for random pugs yes, went up in premade groups

Because now you need to perma stop everyhting with a set rotation that cant be misstimed

[royal lantern]

its not just the silence

its that the sigil also counts as a interupt for some reason

[thorn thorn]

Yep

[winged sun]

If sigil doesnt count as interrupt that’ll kill vdh

It’ll stay meta tho

[royal lantern]

and according to blizzard, that problem exists because of....people in higher keys using addons/weakauras to track the groups cds

i love blizz logic sometimes

[thorn thorn]

How about

quit adding stupid mechanics in dungeons

Like the curses in stonevault that nuke people and can stack

For some reason

[autumn idol]

me when i want to send mob to coma with 8s kidney but it's dr'd by 20 stops beforehand

[thorn thorn]

Just play with dragon

Displacements dont DR

[wispy iris]

38 mil sudden demise

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/24CxYkhWAG98wbcd?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=5&ability=343769&target=13

[spice surge]

Ye if kidney is supposed to be the "omega giga ST stop" it should probably just ignore DRs in pve

[thorn thorn]

Similar to how infernal does

[spice surge]

Were spending atleast 2 globals on it so i dont think thats completely unreasonable (building cp, so probably more since you dont always get 5 on one fok)

[winged sun]

It has to ignore dr’s i agree

[thorn thorn]

Just make it like call infernal

Very easy fix

[jaunty lotus]

do we still fan on ST?

[normal mist]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[drifting charm]

yall prefer subterfuge or supercharger?

[autumn idol]

superfuge

[balmy condor]

subt for sure

[blazing pumice]

with bleed build/st, ct is neutral outside of shiv/execute ye?

[balmy condor]

what

[thorn thorn]

[blazing pumice]

as in, does it matter if ct drops st

[worthy rose]

is this a case of the guy overthinking things

always maintain bleeds

as bleed build ur single target is kinda sussybaka anyway

just make sure all bleeds are active then spam envenoms in the filler

dont overthink

just unga bunga

[balmy condor]

I still don't get the question lowkey

[worthy rose]

if the single target damage on the boss isnt enough

[balmy condor]

if ct drops st

[worthy rose]

blame your teammates

youre not there for single target damage anyway

[balmy condor]

why would ct drop st

[worthy rose]

its like blaming an unholy for having shit ST

prob coz he is greeding for more envenoms

[spice surge]

CT should be up at all times as bleed yes

[balmy condor]

greeding how

shiv increases nature damage and bleed damage

so it buffs ct and envenom the same amount

zoldyck increases poison and bleed damage

so it buffs ct and envenom the same amount

I don't understand the situation

[worthy rose]

as in i think he wants to do more envenoms and letting CT fall off as a result

[blazing pumice]

you have rupture coming off

[gentle belfry]

On a fresh toon, are visions basically the fastest access to H track gear?

[blazing pumice]

you have dn up

[balmy condor]

well if you have dn up you envenom

[blazing pumice]

you priortise the dn and rupture over the ct

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice surge]

Ideally you probably shouldve refreshed either of them before you got the DN in the first place

But yes, that can happen

[balmy condor]

the priority is dn envenom -> rupture -> ct

and then obviously regular envenom after that

cause it's the filler

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[digital venture]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[autumn idol]

guys what's dn

[thorn thorn]

deez nuts Darkest Night

[autumn idol]

deez nuts

[thorn thorn]

I beat you to it

[autumn idol]

you did

[fleet pagoda]

[autumn idol]

🥳

[thorn thorn]

Ty ty ty

I do my best

[jaunty lotus]

what level of keys are people swapping from bleed build? Is there a sweet spot for hybrid?

[balmy condor]

bleed build has timed 19's in every dungeon

but people generally swap to cleave at like 17-18

[errant patio]

do i still prio keeping energy up for sanguine blades with bleed build in pure ST even during deathmark?

[jaunty lotus]

ty whispyr

[errant patio]

ah gotcha, ty

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr when stream again

[elfin sapphire]

comcast

[thorn thorn]

Nah bro we have christian on our side

[gloomy heart]

gally deadge no content

[thorn thorn]

Do 2 of yall have the exact same profile pic wtf

[gloomy heart]

O HSHIT

i didnt even notice tbh

@elfin sapphire sup twin

[elfin sapphire]

[balmy condor]

I asked christian my goat when the fix is coming and he has not replied

he left me on read on wednesday

[thorn thorn]

No not christian

[elfin sapphire]

this is you ----> :(

[thorn thorn]

Surely Christian has gone missing

He would never

[gloomy heart]

WTF IS THIS

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

[elfin sapphire]

[hollow river]

[covert jewel]

[thorn thorn]

Thats Whispyr when he has to explain that shiv on main doesnt increase spatter damage

[balmy condor]

I know the pin says its updated but it wasn't updated since the last time I asked for an update so are the pins updated

[thorn thorn]

hi i checked pins but still confuse on what enchant use

[elfin sapphire]

what corruptions are good?

[thorn thorn]

what do i dinar on

[gloomy heart]

[inland dirge]

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[gloomy heart]

[slim copper]

bleed build changed at all in last 3 weeks?

[balmy condor]

no

[real lichen]

Hello, Hybrid vanish x2 build in aoe situations do I ever hit shiv

[balmy condor]

depends how much aoe is aoe

but yes, you should be hitting it for prio damage or in lower target aoe

5ish or less

[real lichen]

Thank you

[hallow glade]

is this a bad idea for cinderbrew/motherlode? i dont wanna drop iron stomach 🙈

[rotund oak]

depends what u sacrifice

but idk why iron stomach is important

[hallow glade]

dropping improved sprint and featherfoot

[rotund oak]

personally i wouldnt even think dropping sprint+featherfoot

[runic hinge]

what do you need imp wound poison for

[hallow glade]

i like the idea of mixture because i find it very useful on ipa, azerokk, and mines. wound poison for yes man / pathing

[brave comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

this looks more like queueing into warlocks in shuffle

but im not yet into highkeys

so cant rly tell

[hallow glade]

i went sub for a motherlode and my boomkin was confused why the add on azerokk was chasing him down so much faster this time lol

[rotund oak]

yeah not funny to manage that

[rotund oak]

new tech

💀

[runic hinge]

might be worth

[rotund oak]

idk why motherlode though

last time i did it on a highkey was BFA

kinda curious to learn why

[ionic crater]

Echoing Void still bugged or should I go T dev?

[buoyant herald]

yes its still bugged

[waxen oyster]

is echoing void still bugged

[waxen oyster]

Instructions unclear

bought twisted appendage

[buoyant herald]

probably better than EV

[waxen oyster]

i mean i just use void ritual

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m going to twist your appendage

[waxen oyster]

Come over

[spice spire]

Omw my way!

[drifting charm]

Just timed my first 15…. Wooo

[leaden cypress]

there is no catchup for dinars if i missed week?

[gloomy heart]

who’s the most seduceable boss this tier

[haughty flicker]

obviously gallywix

who wouldnt want to get a face full of what the boys have been workin on

[orchid pewter]

Mugzee, imagine what those 2 heads can do

[pure moth]

Nope. Not currently. Wowhead had a post

[meager plank]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[gloomy heart]

W

[fickle fossil]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[lethal arrow]

You want a face full of rain? Move your feet

[gloomy heart]

WYF

[buoyant herald]

More like gyattlywix am I right

[weak prism]

When going into a chain pull w/o vanish nor stealth, should i spend on rapturing 5 targets for agi buff, or just current target and slam envenoms?

[normal mist]

you should max scent of blood

[analog flume]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[thin portal]

trolololspree killed me again tonight

I really wanna learn another spec

maybe this week ill practice sin more

[nocturne geyser]

guys I have a question I'm using this build CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZB2mBAAAAAg2WmZGMzYMzMLz2MzMYGzYwMzsZZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA
and my caustic is not my top damage even though I keep it up all the time. what am I doing wrong?

[normal mist]

What build is that and what key levels are you doing

[novel star]

not enough envenoms probably?

but like yeah what key lvl lol

[nocturne geyser]

my envenom is my top damage it's 10 or 12

[novel star]

do not even consider playing that build in anything below an 18

that’s why your spatter is doing no damage

your kingsbane target dies

instantly

[royal lantern]

why do you play a build that says 200000x "dont play this unless you do giga high keys" in weekly stuff

[nocturne geyser]

idk I'm new to game, my friend told me to play it

[novel star]

your friend has a good heart

but the game doesn’t work the way most m+ people think it does

you cant look at the most popular high key builds or whatevs and play them in low keys

go wowhead guide and copy the bleed build

use it forever unless you’re pushing title

:p

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[nocturne quail]

18 is extreme, you can certainly play it in even 14’s.

[royal lantern]

your friend shold not mindlessly copypaste "top builds"

[nocturne quail]

12 shit will die too fast

[royal lantern]

mate, that was MAYBE a argument before they inflated our ilvls again

rn you can do a +15 key and the big enemys just die in 15seconds if somebody is focusing it

or in 0,2 sec when its a arcane mage

[novel star]

you can but there’s no reason to

[nocturne quail]

I like playing it more than bleed, bleed boring

[novel star]

you can comfortably time 16/17s with bleed

[novel star]

fair

that’s a good reason to

[nocturne quail]

Probably good to play both to get an understanding of why/how they’re good and different

Change based on comp etc

Also doing negative ST is anti dopamine

[spice surge]

Theres 19s timed in every dungeon with it aswell

The difference between the builds just isnt big

Can play whatever and be fine

[nocturne quail]

Could even play outlaw

[midnight mist]

ok well

i dont think outlaw is weaker than sin rn

[nocturne quail]

Nah not at all, you certainly got some io on me so what can I say

[drifting cloud]

outlaw mentioned instant french invasion

[subtle tundra]

im so happy for you and the outlaws

[midnight mist]

why you keep doing this

i know you are lying !

[subtle tundra]

i am free from the prison so now i can be better

[spice surge]

What do you think about sub?

[midnight mist]

sub is worse than outlaw and sin for sure

but i think

as every season

sub players are little bitches that dont play m+

like i swaer in s1 sub was better than outlaw

yet the r1 sub was like

miles behind outlaw

[spice surge]

I tried a bunch of meadery last night zac

[midnight mist]

because sub players are raid one trick

thoughts ?

[spice surge]

First pack i peaked at like 24M

When playing assa i peak at like 32M

[midnight mist]

holy shmoly ! !! !

ok and as outlaw

i peak

at 15

mf

i did 20 mil once in my life

[spice surge]

Well ye but sub does 3m outside cds

So it doing less than assa does during cds when assa does 10M outside cds

Is a bit silly

[midnight mist]

sure

but well

will do the same burst

on lower targets

and huge st !

holy shmoly !

[royal lantern]

wrong

sub players dont exists

[spice surge]

Less ST than outlaw

[royal lantern]

there are like 8 sub players in total

the rest is the guys that play it cus its the best prog spec for the first 2 months once again

[haughty flicker]

hey it me

[humble verge]

fuu is like one of them

maybe

[haughty flicker]

actually ive been playing sub a lot more recently and its pretty fun

still wont touch that shit in dungeons tho

[humble verge]

fake news

[haughty flicker]

nah building up to a big sec tec is satisfying

its just a little weird to play

[midnight mist]

idk about that

and outlaw lose a lot of theorical st on a lot of bosses

im honeslyty not doing that much damage

[spice surge]

Fair enough, i checked candle king because thats one of the most relevant ones

[royal lantern]

crit more

[spice surge]

Target caps are just great arent they

Sectech sqrt capped at 5, poison bomb uncapped, crimson tempest sqrt capped at 8 despite explicitly saying its at 5

[earnest remnant]

also think it has something to do with alot of sub rogues are willing to play assa, sub barely has any "diehard" otps

[spice surge]

And while subs rotation feels pretty smooth in raid its got way more jankyness in keys

[midnight mist]

thats a good example cause depending on rng and stuffs i will legit do 0 damage on it

cause cant ks

[earnest remnant]

like people call me an otp, but ive never cared for which spec i play out of Assa and Sub, like ofc i prefer to play sub but i wont sacrifice performance for it

[spice surge]

I just pulled a random log of yours and you did great, but ye that might not be the average

[gusty mirage]

The damage bonus capped at 5, CT’s been sqrt capped at 8 since SL

Tbh I’d rather they nerf it per target for the bonus and up the bonus dam cap to match the 8

That way we won’t have to press it in ST ever

[midnight mist]

yeye for sure

[midnight mist]

ye idk the few last keys i did i just kept rolling 5 buffs so it doesnt matter much

but if you low roll a bit on a boss like that

since you cant ks on cd

you just do 0 damage

and thats the case for a few bosses where you lose uptime

[subtle tundra]

what are we arguing about here i wanna give my opinion

[midnight mist]

its a bit weird

[midnight mist]

nothing

i think

just discussing

[subtle tundra]

erghm

if you play m+ at the highest level(15+) you should reroll the best otherwise youre trolling

so dont play rogue at all

[midnight mist]

fr fr

[midnight mist]

i think

everyting should be soft capped at 8

soft cap at 5 do 0 damage

[humble verge]

me rn, im hungy

[midnight mist]

and well

hard capped is shit

[spice surge]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

false

there should be caps

[earnest remnant]

back to the glory days of 20 target

[midnight mist]

kinda ruins the game for a lot of specs

[spice surge]

20 target is still the cap for everybody

[potent raven]

nearly more rio on my rogue than my uhdk

[subtle tundra]

youre wrong

[earnest remnant]

just uncap everything

let hell break loose

[subtle tundra]

well they how are you balancing scent of blood then? make it infinite?

[potent raven]

blizzard is wrong and inconsistent abt target capping 1 class and not capping another one

should just uncap everything

i.e warr 🤣

5 targets is wild

[midnight mist]

ok

[subtle tundra]

whats the difference between caping scent of blood and secret technique

[earnest remnant]

one is constant buff, the other is cooldown finisher

[subtle tundra]

no? its tied to rupture

its basically dmg added to rupture

just not direct damage

[earnest remnant]

by definition its a buff

[subtle tundra]

its still a giving you damage and its capped

so should it be uncapped in your uncapped world

cause it is definetly a target cap

the talent stops giving you damage above a target amount

[earnest remnant]

and rupture keeps doing dmg above it, its just a buff with max stacks, what people want is just that their abilities keep doing dmg above a certain target threshold, like they used to
ofc you cannot uncap a buff like that, unless you make the actual value of scent miniscule

[haughty flicker]

uncap everything again would be hype

[earnest remnant]

its like if you uncapped Sub's old funnel talent

if combo wasent capped at 5 targets

like sure you could uncap it but then the % increase per target would have to be like 0,5%

[subtle tundra]

ergh ill have you know scent of blood still gives you damage above 5 targets cause it buffs the other abilities which would be uncapped

!!!!!!

[earnest remnant]

well thats why its fucking capped

[subtle tundra]

im giving the counter argument to myself

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[subtle tundra]

pride month soon

lets go! 🌈

[humble verge]

thats pretty gay

[potent raven]

why does all vers gear sim so much lower for me

[earnest remnant]

cuz it just aint better for you than the other stats

[potent raven]

does it make a big diff in surviving in i.e 17s keys

id take a bit of dps loss if it gave me a lot of survivability

[spice surge]

Not really

[royal lantern]

"vers survivalbility" is almost always kinda a cope

the amount of people that need to stack vers to stay alive can probs be counted on 1hand lol

[feral mason]

yippee double the harassment online

[spice surge]

But ye definitely agree with this, having multiple difference spells within the same spec having different target caps without it being mentioned in the tooltips is very questionable even if they want to keep caps

[royal lantern]

cant wait to read "uhm akshualy they dont care about it and just do it for profit!!!!" 20000x a day

[feral mason]

i mean its not even that

[winged sun]

[feral mason]

just feel like the corporate stuff agitates idiots and causes them to remember lgbt people exist

[earnest remnant]

where is my raccoon month?

[feral mason]

and increases the vitriol online a crazy amount

[potent raven]

raccoon appreciation day

[earnest remnant]

i want a month

not a day

im greedy

[potent raven]

a month is too much sry

[feral mason]

you can have august

[winged sun]

Well

[feral mason]

surely theres nothing going on in august

[winged sun]

Shit month got replaced anyway by trump

To veteran’s month or someshit

[feral mason]

yeah @earnest remnant its summer sun safety month in august u got it bro

raccoons month now

[royal lantern]

every month is raccoon month with you

[royal lantern]

i forgot that the world is only the England reject country

[potent raven]

this is an europe only chat

[lunar pond]

America’s Month

[winged sun]

Trump based

[potent raven]

[coral ibex]

[midnight mist]

i dont engage with lower io players

[humble verge]

ok boomer

[midnight mist]

low io player detected

sorry

[potent raven]

how to up rio when sit in q for 30 mins

[midnight mist]

apply faster

[potent raven]

no1 needs rogues

[midnight mist]

ye

unfortunate cause

rogue is quite strong rn

[potent raven]

ye i agree

i dont think ppl know that

[midnight mist]

both outlaw and assa are like

3rd dps prolly

if you were to rank by damage

obviously rogue utility is a bit kekw but

[spice surge]

Unfortunately theres other things people want in keys besides damage

[midnight mist]

eh

[spice surge]

Damage is important for sure

But if they do the same damage, but also bring buffs and battle res

[potent raven]

unfortunately people think they need meta comps to time a 16 so

[orchid pewter]

Just get rid of the mage and play resto shaman and rogue is perfectly fine

[potent raven]

i have a phys team with warr and monk who r both nearly 3500 but they stopped playing

[midnight mist]

tbf

i think priest

idk

priest is so weird in m+

cause shielding people is infinitly stronger

than healing them

[orchid pewter]

Priest not the hottest pugging spec imo

[midnight mist]

idk how blizzard can even balance that

[orchid pewter]

I mean they deleted shielding disc before

Just delete it again

[potent raven]

it took me average 2-5 mins to get into a key on my uhdk btw not even joking

[midnight mist]

thye did

didnt know

[potent raven]

thats why fotming as a pug player is kinda fun cuz u get to play the game

[orchid pewter]

Atleast for raid

[potent raven]

but uhdk is genuinely the most boring class ever

[midnight mist]

idk in m+ shields are so strong

raid is different

[orchid pewter]

If you dont play specs that perma fall over i think not playing disc is totally fine

But i dont do 20s so idk

[potent raven]

if rogue only had a cr or something

itd be so fcking nice

[orchid pewter]

Cables

[upbeat marsh]

^

[midnight mist]

Câbles are so fucking cringe man

Needing to be on top of the guy the. Cast for 3 sec

Takes like 10 sec to rez a guy

Idk

[past marten]

Zac so madge, he throws in a circonflexe

[potent raven]

ye doesnt replace a proper cr

[midnight mist]

Frenched

we play without battle rez

so if our tank dies

its gg

if you play with a druid i have had plenty of keys where tank dies and is insta rezed

and all is fine

[orchid pewter]

Just bring dk

[midnight mist]

i still think every healer should have a battle rez and lust

so we can get ride of this annoyance

[fleet pagoda]

or make the consumable versions on par to the in-class versions

[rotund oak]

kinda unreliable ,takes alot of time

its not the BFA rez

or legion

even army knife is better lul

[orchid pewter]

i very rarely need to use them, but they are fine imo

sure range sucks and all but eh

[rotund oak]

wdym range

there is no range on convinsing cables

i use them as well

i just dont like them tbh

kinda cringe

[gentle belfry]

We still use gear compare even though its a legacy tool right? To sim one pc vs another

[rotund oak]

can bait u into weird mechanics

endup dying in the process

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

Just use topgear

[gentle belfry]

But that doesnt allow you to see the value % of each piece if you lump them into the same sim right? I might be

[spice surge]

What

[gentle belfry]

For ex: when I get 3 dinars next week Im going to sim a myth seaforium vs signet

[rotund oak]

each possible combination is referred in the results as a % gain/loss

but idk what u exactly mean by this

rly confusing

[gentle belfry]

if I put both myth trinkets in the sim, its going to say both are better.. but ig I just scroll down and see which combo without both of them selected is better?

[rotund oak]

guess so,the robot simulates all possibilites

and gives u a result

[spice surge]

Yeah, but you could also use droptimizer for stuff like the dinar

[rotund oak]

scroll down and see what u wanna see

also that

its basicly the same but not topgear

[gentle belfry]

oh duh

ty for the patience gang

[rotund oak]

yw fam

[gentle belfry]

these can be converted with dust into upgradable myth track tier right?

or would it just be high H track?

[rotund oak]

this is boe,drops from somewhere

[spice surge]

Theyre myth track

[gentle belfry]

ik I was just wondering if they could convert

[spice surge]

So yes

[gentle belfry]

they are myth ooo ok

[rotund oak]

yeah wanted to say u know what track is

even if u wanna buy it from AH

[quiet oriole]

Heyo you can pretty much buy mythic track helm off the ah?

[rotund oak]

any myth track boe not only helm

not rly aware of the category

helm/ring or whatever

condition remains the same

binds on equipped

[lethal stream]

my birth month ruined by weirdos

gg

[strange tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7jPSVgmBKkMmwxxrA1RBNN

[pliant remnant]

shame we all have to go into cold storage hibernation for all of june

[strange tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8xytd8R2Qfuc1LojqdZQqb

[pliant remnant]

since it's ruined

[strange tundra]

do I just go for haste vers

even tho it sims a bit lower than crit vers

[pliant remnant]

Nobody tell him that the sim number next to haste/vers is higher than the one next to crit/vers

(it doesn't matter)

[strange tundra]

i saw it but idk anything about that

[golden loom]

everything is the same and nothing matters

[strange tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-sad-in-the-rain-gif-19983530

[pliant remnant]

Assa simming in a nutshell

[strange tundra]

suprised 681 ring isnt better

i guess only jastor is better?

[rotund oak]

any myth track ring should

but idk

robot speaks

[strange tundra]

rtobot speaks straiught fax no printer

[quiet oriole]

Oh shit ima about to be broke as bitch. I only have hero track tier helm.

[gentle belfry]

I think it's just helm/boots/belt

[quiet oriole]

Just making sure I got this right. I can buy a boe from the ah and turn it to tier with the dust?

[gentle belfry]

Yessir

[quiet oriole]

[gentle belfry]

[quiet oriole]

So who wants feet pic for gold

[frozen glacier]

🦶

[indigo sinew]

does anyone know if you get energy regen from rupturing the bombs on mugzee

[drifting charm]

looking at Zeross on Murlok - is that the tech? Going for that much versa?

[strange tundra]

[golden loom]

!cleave

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[golden loom]

and doing the levels of keys that big ross is doing is playing a different game

[drifting charm]

thats what i thought, but just wanted to be like .. im breaking in to 16s - should i start working towards that

[golden loom]

if you are dying while still pressing ur defensives maybe look towards more vers but probably not

[nocturne quail]

He’s doing it to live mechanics on high keys

And some stuff I guess even with feint, you could die

I died once to blazing chomp dispel through feint on 18

[autumn idol]

you must not have been topped

[nocturne quail]

9mil I think so yeah barely not

[autumn idol]

new pb

[autumn idol]

That's not the damage through feint

that's non-feinted damage

[potent raven]

timed a top 15 with pugs 🔥

[autumn idol]

congrats :> good work

[potent raven]

no garrote build is awesome

been using it in all keys and the damage seems very nice

was holding near 2.3dps on last boss w/o mob pull

[pure moth]

What key level is this? The overall seems much lower

[earnest remnant]

thats a boss fight

[gentle belfry]

Whats the minimum key lvl for myth track gear in vault again?

[strange tundra]

10

[golden loom]

10

[gentle belfry]

tyty

[autumn idol]

10

[spice spire]

10

[waxen oyster]

damn

almost 5m rookery

[rotund oak]

big number

[waxen oyster]

yeah

no shaman or druid buff

unfort

somehow had 2.7% ctw

in a cinderbrew

[potent raven]

it was 15 but ye its boss fite

[rotund oak]

even my mage which is stacked hasnt gone that high with VDH even

think the highest i did was 4.45Mil as mage

but it was like an 11 or 12

[waxen oyster]

I had 5m in priory

[rotund oak]

SD cheeses the details

yup

[waxen oyster]

big pad dungeon

i think the most sd damage is probably

dfc

[rotund oak]

ML isnt half bad either

[pure mica]

in a m+ setting, is the bleed build or the no garrote buld generally more single target?

[rotund oak]

first time reading ''no garrote build''

[autumn idol]

no garrote by far

[rotund oak]

what is this build

[spice surge]

Its the cleave build

[waxen oyster]

It's a build only for like

[spice surge]

Or the no-improvet garotte one

[waxen oyster]

17+ keys

[rotund oak]

i was like wth is no garrote

[waxen oyster]

its basically a raid build with CT

[rotund oak]

but ye cleave makes sense

[waxen oyster]

if you think about it

[rotund oak]

yeah

[autumn idol]

this

[spice surge]

Well scent too

[rotund oak]

its prio/st pumpy

[waxen oyster]

yep

[spice surge]

But you can unironically run pretty much raid with ct too

[potent raven]

lol

its whats been talked about here like

past weeks

[waxen oyster]

but again not really a good build if you arent doing like

[spice surge]

And youll do even more ST, but slightly less massive aoe

[waxen oyster]

at least 17s

in a specific comp

[rotund oak]

by whom exactly and for what content

[waxen oyster]

by talk about he means

people who jerk off rio rankings

and streams

more than they play

[potent raven]

like its been a popular thing in here

the no garrote build (cleave)

[waxen oyster]

yodatv watcher

[rotund oak]

ah it makes sense now,deranged pirates spaming this sacred place

[waxen oyster]

build

[autumn idol]

🙋 me me me

im jerking off my 43 mil envenom crit

[chilly sluice]

at what pull count do you start pressing garrote? just 1?

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[strange tundra]

what is garrote

[rotund oak]

wowhead one

[pure mica]

But does it still do more St/prio damage? Plus, posion bomb gives me dopamine happy.

[autumn idol]

idk

[potent raven]

the prio damage is genuinely like

bette than arcane prob

just wish rogue had more util !! :(

[autumn idol]

Na

[rotund oak]

easy there tiger

[spice surge]

Fwiw most builds do smilar prio, especially during cds

[potent raven]

well its a replacement at least

for prio

most mages cant press their buttons properly anyway

rather have a rogue than a mage

[autumn idol]

mages are pigs carried by the fact that they are the protagonist class

[rotund oak]

check azsuna and other pumpy boys u gonna see how they blow up sht in seconds

arcane is no joke

[potent raven]

i mean cuz hes good

no mage is good in those pisslow keys im doing

[rotund oak]

ofc thats true

[potent raven]

u need an echo player on mage for it to actually have value i think

[autumn idol]

not rly

[rotund oak]

no its ok,there are plenty good mages out there

rly

just not the fotm rolling ones

[potent raven]

yeah theyre probably in 19s and 20s

[rotund oak]

after so many years,doing so much pvp with mages i can practically smell them

if they suck or not

love a good mage

10/10

[potent raven]

fire mage is fun but its not as good as arcane

i played it until 3k rio for lulz

so much fun

[rotund oak]

yeah arcane atm all the way

[potent raven]

but its a viable option tho

arcane not as fun cuz fire has combust which is the most fun part for me

[rotund oak]

yeah i was playing fire for a bit normally played frost

but arcane atm is insane

[potent raven]

so much spam

[rotund oak]

u press surge and sht dies

magi

[potent raven]

never fotming from rogue again tho

[rotund oak]

everything gets blown away

[waxen oyster]

yeah which doesnt matter if you arent doing at least 17s

[potent raven]

i hope ill get title this szn tho its late but ill still try with my team if theyre playing

[waxen oyster]

genuine question: how many mfs understand why prio is good

[rotund oak]

good luck on that

[sudden brook]

Mage is kinda whatever if Ur not routing for the mages strengths

[waxen oyster]

or do they just repeat what streamers say

without understanding context

[rotund oak]

very true

[autumn idol]

not many

or having too much prio

[royal lantern]

and if you do they are disgusting

which is not really healthy tbh

[autumn idol]

i mean thats always a thing no

you're always pulling around your strengths

[sudden brook]

"people abusing a specs strength isn't health" what

Leveraging a specs strength is like the definition of competition in this game

[nocturne quail]

Make key go fast, ez to grasp I think

[waxen oyster]

Not really

[autumn idol]

everything dies at the same time

[waxen oyster]

your average pleb is capping out at 13s

max

[nocturne quail]

Make key go faster, delete mechanics from pulls before defensive/stops are dry

Idk I think it makes p good sense

[waxen oyster]

You dont run dry

at 15s and below

[nocturne quail]

That’s another thing

[waxen oyster]

you wipe because some bozo doesnt have kick bound

[autumn idol]

you dont run dry

you are dry

[nocturne quail]

If someone is topping out at 15

[autumn idol]

no one presses anything

[waxen oyster]

or your tank thinks hes in the mdi

[nocturne quail]

Then for them, prio could still be big useful

[waxen oyster]

and gets onetapped because he eats more backshots than sasha grey

[red schooner]

Hell yeah I'm an average pleb

[autumn idol]

arent we all

[nocturne quail]

Like people like to act like nothing matters in low key, but if someone timing them just barely then shit does matter

[waxen oyster]

Yeah these are super specific builds

for people doing the highest content

not key levels where 90% of the playerbase doesnt have interrupt bound

[strange tundra]

why would u bind interrupt when others can use it

[waxen oyster]

playing cleave build at a key level

where mobs dont live a full kb

is just

[autumn idol]

i mean ive had happenstances

[waxen oyster]

Yeah like rookery

[autumn idol]

in 18s

[waxen oyster]

the 4-5 mobs in there

that live

[autumn idol]

hired muscle doesnt live my mark and kingsbane... but the composition was omega cooked omegalul

[nocturne quail]

Bro until this season everyone was always playing a build with KB and it just is what it is

[waxen oyster]

Yeah before they smacked kb with nerfs

[autumn idol]

imagine if they uncapped arterial precision

monka

[nocturne quail]

Would be sick

[waxen oyster]

and it just got weaker from tuning affecting different things

Lmao assa aoe rn is kinda disgust

prob why they dont uncap it

[nocturne quail]

But I still play KB builds even in sales just because I enjoy it more

[autumn idol]

I mean yeah but also the concept of spatter is imo bad design

or rather. lazy

[nocturne quail]

Yeah I mean or uncap scent of blood

[spice surge]

Yeah bleed feels more like what i envision assa should play like

[autumn idol]

i agree

[spice surge]

Based on how its played in the past

[nocturne quail]

A few classes have this mechanic basically

[waxen oyster]

Yeah poisons are kinda dumb

[nocturne quail]

Hit one target and do aoe

[autumn idol]

i remember leveling a rogue in bfa and this was my dream

dotting the entire pack

[autumn idol]

Yes and thats kinda lazy

[spice surge]

Not really poisons being dumb, but just envenoming one target and that doing all of your aoe just feels meh

[autumn idol]

all 3 rogue specs now have that

[red schooner]

Yeah last time I did m+ before this expansion was bfa and I liked the bleed dot tab target gameplay

[nocturne quail]

Yeah sure, idk how much variation you can have with 36 specs, bound to be some overlap

[red schooner]

Felt better than spatter all day

[spice surge]

Thats fair, but you could have variation between the 3 rogue specs

But you dont

You hit dispatch, envenom or eviscerate and it does X% of the damage to nearby targets

[nocturne quail]

And there’s so much going on I think behind the scenes of sin, but the way you interact with it is just spam envenom on one marked target

[waxen oyster]

I mean im of the belief

m+ got ruined by streamers

streaming culture is god awful

[autumn idol]

Nah

people just like to follow whats popular

[waxen oyster]

Though you're off a bean if you watch wow streams

unironically

[nocturne quail]

Community perception goes so hard in wow

[waxen oyster]

the game is terrible for a viewer

[nocturne quail]

Like we used to stack the fuck out of classes

And then MDI banned it so we don’t do it in pigs anymore?

Like why not invite 3 marks hunters

[waxen oyster]

streamers influence community perception

[nocturne quail]

Three dk

Yeah big time

[autumn idol]

No what

thats not the reason why

[nocturne quail]

In BFA

Triple BM hunter

[autumn idol]

raid buffs are a thing

[nocturne quail]

Yeah true raid buffs

[spice surge]

The target cap shit needs to be standardized or removed

[nocturne quail]

Seems like the stacking stopped at same times mdi ban

[spice surge]

Like why are some hardcapped at 8, some softcapped at 8, some softcapped at 5 and some uncapped?

Even within specs

[waxen oyster]

because they always had one super overperforming spec

[nocturne quail]

It’s silly

[waxen oyster]

bfa outlaw

[spice surge]

Spatter is soft at 5, arterial is hard at 8, crimson is soft at 8 and poison bomb uncapped

Like why

[nocturne quail]

They don’t know how to balance if it just scale infinitely I guess?

[waxen oyster]

No they just have interns

contribute randomly

here and there

you think theres a rogue dev?

[spice surge]

And for sub nimble flurry is hard capped at 8, bp is soft at 8, sectech soft at 5

[nocturne quail]

Rip to that one guy that used to be in here

[spice surge]

Its so weird

[waxen oyster]

i mean the fact

sub and outlaw get reworked at least once per expansion

shows they have no idea what they're doing

[autumn idol]

sub on zul

who remember 🙋‍♂️

[waxen oyster]

yeah sub zul was

legion sub

with its legs cut off

Some guy at blizz hq actually greenlit "secret technique"

as if that wasnt the most cringe ability name

in existence

[potent raven]

been aw hile since i played sub but wasnt sectech uncapped

or did they change it

[spice surge]

Never was

[autumn idol]

right now the dungeons are designed to require way more utility

[waxen oyster]

the real secret technique is its a mystery

if it works properly or not

[autumn idol]

i think in SL is when they really started enforcing this

if you stack classes you usually cannot cover enough ground for whats needed

plus rn, outside of outliers majority of specs are within 2-3% performance window

unless we're talking hard capped specs

windwalker

[waxen oyster]

They tried to “balance” melee and ranged

[autumn idol]

fury

[waxen oyster]

by requiring more kicks

[autumn idol]

i didnt play df

[waxen oyster]

because people realized

[autumn idol]

i came back mid s1

and then saw

[waxen oyster]

that ranged do 0 mechanics

in keys

[autumn idol]

hm why this mob keep casting after my kidney

[river ginkgo]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[autumn idol]

in general

[waxen oyster]

nah the stop change came after df

[autumn idol]

i think thats the most cringe

[waxen oyster]

df wasnt a bad expac

besides it added evokers

dumb terrorist class

[autumn idol]

i heard only good things

[rotund oak]

that isnt good either

[autumn idol]

about df

"df season 3"

[waxen oyster]

aug alone is enough

[rotund oak]

DF basicly cringeass xpac

[waxen oyster]

to drop df rating

by 3 pts

out of 10

[waxen oyster]

outlaw players gooning

[autumn idol]

i had lots of fun in sh*dowlands

[rotund oak]

i liked SL more than DF

[autumn idol]

your shrieks of pain

will fill these halls

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[rotund oak]

idk im getting old,this game prolly not for me anymore

[autumn idol]

idk bro

seeing a 43 mil envenom crit satisfied my dopamine receptors for today

[thorn thorn]

Natural selection will take you

SL worst expansion ever made

[thorn thorn]

DF was a notably mid expansion

Good and bad parts of it

Aug and DF leggo system quite possibly the worst ideas they have had

[red schooner]

Worse than the legion Lego system?

[thorn thorn]

It took all the terrible parts of legion and made something somehow worse imo

[red schooner]

How in the fuck

[thorn thorn]

I have heard a lot of debate over which one is actually worse

But I consider the DF system to just in general be worse

[autumn idol]

the only bad part about legion legendaries was the acquisition system

until the last patch

[red schooner]

I dunno I barely played dragon flight, I had a 2 expansion run where I just did the solo content for a month before unsubbing until the next expansion

It was a happier time

[thorn thorn]

It was a system that ultimately incentivized luck and genuinely nothing else

Unlike in legion where the issue was getting the correct leggo the only way to get them was from raid

Which wouldnt be an issue but the rng was painfully rigid

[red schooner]

I got the feint healing legendary first in legion

[thorn thorn]

Cuz you had people clearing mythic since early in the season and they just didnt get it for the entire season

[red schooner]

Which, don't get me wrong, cool effect if taken in isolation

[thorn thorn]

But people could reroll a character and just get it from LFR

Which imo is just terrible design

[red schooner]

But compared to other legendaries? Pain

[red schooner]

Yeah nah fuck that

[thorn thorn]

Voulk was clearing mythic sarkareth pretty early in the season but it didnt drop for him until literally the last week of the season

He didnt even craft it

[red schooner]

Feint healing legendary made mage tower so easy

[thorn thorn]

Which in my opinion is a scenario that should never happen

[red schooner]

Unkillable

[thorn thorn]

Stat squish soon prolly

[waxen oyster]

the sea of ret paladins

due to fyralath

[thorn thorn]

Terrible times

[waxen oyster]

Yes

[thorn thorn]

Amirdrassil fixed part of the issue with the evoker leggo

But fundamentally there were still people clearing mythic that took the entire season to get it

And people still got it in one clear on lfr so

[waxen oyster]

deserved tbh

[thorn thorn]

Based

[autumn idol]

most likely yes

these numbers are larger than legion's

[rotund oak]

never said it was good,i said i liked it more than df

and there is a good reason

i dont like evokers

i hate DHs as well but legion was prolly my favorite xpac

thats how much i hate evokers

[thorn thorn]

Bro hates the new classes

Boomer energy /s

[rotund oak]

i trully am

[waxen oyster]

how does anyone play evoker

you're stuck as a dumb lizard

perma

[thorn thorn]

I do

Class is good

[rotund oak]

speaks volumes

[thorn thorn]

Idk why people feel the need to troll with Rescue

[rotund oak]

tell me ur name and open ur pvp

i wanna ask u something

[thorn thorn]

I play pres in pvp when I do

I dont play dead gamemodes

[rotund oak]

it will be fast i swear

jokes aside

i hate evokers

like fukin mad hate

[thorn thorn]

They are terrorists

I know

They are griefers across the board

Idk why

Class is easy as beans to play

[rotund oak]

dont care what they are,im the wolf,they are the prey

[thorn thorn]

Or why they feel the need to grief with Rescue

[autumn idol]

https://tenor.com/eu4KSLVOHtb.gif

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerdy-nerds-nerd-emoji-gif-25380417

Bro is gonna start his anime villain arc soon cuz of evokers

It all started when the lizards were added

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[rotund oak]

actually studyign the class in and out

weaknesses and all

making punishment even more enjoyable

[thorn thorn]

Yea the weakness for the spec in pvp is just being a dk

genuinely

Just use AMS and Dev cant do dam to you while its active

Im a double agent so thank me later

[rotund oak]

yes dk is a big counter normally but not the only one

mage is just as good

[river badger]

is sub like about the same as sin for getting into groups for M+? or is one just way better

[royal lantern]

????????????

bro, thats a take

legion legendary system was the worst thing we eve rhad in the game

[normal mist]

they dont really look at the spec but the class

[rotund oak]

more ST less aoe

[royal lantern]

it was literally better to delete your character and level up a new one from scratch then trying to get a 3rd legendary

[rotund oak]

Sub ST is mad

sub doesnt rly know what LTC means

wasnt not for trickster and nimble

idk what sub would do

[thorn thorn]

They were both bad

Its not even a take its just a fact

Both dogshit design

[rotund oak]

thats why u had to create 1 rogue for each spec yo

[spice surge]

Its not unless the boss dies right after your cds

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

as every spec in the game with the same profile

[thorn thorn]

Sub players stay losing

Sin superior

[royal lantern]

its a take to compare "yeha do this boss once a week with a DR system" and "you cant drop more then 2 kekw"

[rotund oak]

ill laugh alot when sub takes over,all these pirates memeing here

[thorn thorn]

They are both factually bad

[rotund oak]

will jump on sub chat

[thorn thorn]

Idk what you want

[royal lantern]

love

[rotund oak]

you have me

[thorn thorn]

Sorry I cant give that

[thorn thorn]

I have zero messages in sub chat

[rotund oak]

ild encourage you to start chatting there

u will be a much better rogue

they rly know their sht

[thorn thorn]

I play evoker and shadow

All I know is passenger princess

[spice surge]

Well my point is that sub st isnt really spectacular

Its A LOT lower than arcane

And lower than sin if you can get some adds ontop of the boss

[potent raven]

caustic spatter lover - me

[thorn thorn]

My nemesis

[rotund oak]

i might exaggerated the fact that sub is pumpy st u are right,as for arcane idk,god tier 😛