assassination

[balmy condor]

Correct

[desert vault]

sad, just killed Bandit too 😦

any special tips for Mugzee mythic?

[balmy condor]

Rupture adds

[haughty flicker]

dont get assigned to go into jails

[desert vault]

ok, think i'm just cloak and doing the 1st and 3rd immune soak

[lethal arrow]

yeah just hit the boss

[crude helm]

how do i properly spatter on the goons

[lethal arrow]

you pray ur tank pulls them close enough to the jails

otherwise gl

[crude helm]

I dont have to jump or anything? bet

[lethal arrow]

dont htink so

i just hit the boss

[uneven crag]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[uneven crag]

!temp

Anyone have a macro to sync up deathmark and your tempered potion?

[mint valve]

Well DM is 2 min... And pot is 5... So they won't..

And also there are a lot of times you will want to death mark but NOT pot. So I don't recommend this

[gloomy heart]

ppl love wasting gold or nah

[balmy condor]

Also if you macro them together you can just hit the button again

And it’ll pot

[brazen pine]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Deathmark

you can remove the /use 14 if you do not have an on-use trinket

[drifting charm]

how often should i be vanishing? like - often often?

[real lichen]

Does blindside ambush procs apply deathstalkers

[gloomy heart]

no

[real lichen]

ty

[coral ibex]

GG

[bronze pike]

grats :D

[runic hinge]

[coral ibex]

[gloomy heart]

but do u get to keep it

[haughty flicker]

yeah just click use and they cant take it

[coral ibex]

yea

[gloomy heart]

some guilds give it to certain people first

or something

[coral ibex]

we got 3 of them

[gloomy heart]

huge

[coral ibex]

91 pulls

[rotund oak]

given more for flag of ownership :p

[drifting charm]

During aoe - are we supposed to tab targeting bleeds?

[subtle tundra]

miau

[rotund oak]

quest log on the right side triggers my OCD

also huge gz

[coral ibex]

it doesn't show in combat

dont worry

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

first one,take ur time

it will help

[coral ibex]

moments from greatness

[rotund oak]

much much better

now u have to get rid the left side with the frames

and u golden

[haughty flicker]

how many pulls did it take you?

[rotund oak]

the center is pretty clean

[coral ibex]

91 pulls

[haughty flicker]

nice

im ngl im glad this is an easier final boss

[coral ibex]

should have been like 75 but we kinda trolled and then regressed a bit tn

[haughty flicker]

because it means i can get ce soon and stop fucking playing

[spring dome]

If I get my darkest night at 5cp with like 10/11 seconds left on kingsbane can I send my shiv to supercharge it or is it always better to to shiv last 8 seconds(on the kingsbane you only have 1 shiv for)

[coral ibex]

you dont shiv for cp

you shiv for the effect

for 100% coverage of kingsbane

[spring dome]

I’m talking about for the 1 minute mark in

When you only have 1 charge of shiv

[coral ibex]

then you shiv for the last 8 seconds of kb

you dont shiv for cp

[rotund oak]

u cover the last seconds of KB then

yeah never shiv for cp lul

[coral ibex]

you shiv at 7cp if thats the right time

[rotund oak]

to charge ur finisher that is

[spring dome]

I wasn’t sure if missing the last second of kingsbane with shiv wasn’t better than super charging my DN but idk maybe over thinking it

[coral ibex]

shiv during kb is more important than non-lingering darkness DN

[spring dome]

I did it on like 1 or 2 pulls tonight in raid but I didn’t notice a difference

So I probably just won’t think about it anymore

[slim copper]

hi guys 🙂

i have some pulls from mythic stix prog. No kills though. Anyone wanna take a look and maybe offer some advice?

[shy creek]

Feel free to drop a log

Though I will say, your damage is pretty independent of your skill on that fight, so I wouldnt really stress much about it

If the boss dies, it dies

[jade abyss]

The hookboss in top, the jumps from his adds.. they are avoidable?

[lethal arrow]

me when im at the local blood bank and the vault breaks open

[dry lance]

Bleed build, extended AOE fights W/O Vanish is it worthwhile to Garrote individual mobs ?

[runic hinge]

Just your main target

[dry lance]

I'll run with that, seemed really bad trying to stick it to 5 mobs on the cleave dummy's w/o the stealth benefits

thanks

[balmy condor]

Impossible to maintain on 5 mobs in fact

It’s an 18 second dot with a 6 second cooldown

[dry lance]

Hey Whispyr yea true. Thanks for the Wowhead guide xD sub main breaking into Assas

[balmy condor]

Np

[golden loom]

im holding DM to 2:53 or whenever big add set spawns and then sending 2 shivs + kingsbane on the 4 min intermission adds, feels kinda awkward but also kinda nice

[dry lance]

makes sense if you can only get 2 DM in on a fight i guess?

[red schooner]

We have 3 druids in the raid so surely I won't be on enrage duty on gally. Surely

[golden loom]

we also have 3

but atleast last raid the adds kinda exploded before they could enrage or had like 1% hp left when they did

[red schooner]

Shit

We also have a hunter so

They'll surely be used

[golden loom]

well dont worry we also have a hunter

better get yourself one of these @red schooner

[red schooner]

Why weren't the druids/hunters put on dispel duty

(also when are we separating shivs damage amp and the enrage effect, pls, I want this)

[golden loom]

well aoe shiv dispells both enraged mobs and it kinda lines up where u wanna shiv anyways

[quasi hill]

Hey, I finally got my priory trinket - do I macro it flat to deathmark?

[balmy condor]

yes

[quasi hill]

Awesome 👍🏻

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but will u play new poe 1 season?

[balmy condor]

yes

[normal mist]

I'm wondering about mop classic

I'd like to have the cm set

[rotund oak]

im gonna farm some tokens and call it a day with mop,not rly need them,my warbank is capped but its a gr8 chance

but ye mop is cool

maybe pusherino some 2.5 rated 2s-3s

[normal mist]

During mop I actually didn't raid as a rogue

[rotund oak]

ive raided kinda hardcore,till tot

was alot younger back then lul

[normal mist]

I was playing brewmaster

[haughty flicker]

in mop i tried tanking normal mogushan vaults, failed, and never raided above lfr again

i spent a lot of time on timeless isle tho

[rotund oak]

i did most challenges and scenarios and all

yeah isle pvp was hella fun

[normal mist]

I actually can't even remember how mop Rogue PvE played

[rotund oak]

could kill my own bozos,was very satisfying

[rotund oak]

well all 3 specs could be played but sub was an absolute pumper ST

think the spec balance shifted after sha

was sin and then sub

[normal mist]

All I can remember was

https://tenor.com/view/running-mine-akame-ga-kill-rush-speed-gif-16993253

[rotund oak]

bos

yes yes

an old favorite

[normal mist]

(burst of speed)

[rotund oak]

yup

i was devastated when they removed it

[normal mist]

SAME

[subtle tundra]

MIAU MIAU MIAU MIAU

[normal mist]

Miau

[rotund oak]

[past marten]

How do they actually handle spec balance in (MoP) classic? Do they release the raids with the balance at the start or end of each patch? Or something completely different?

Because there was some mid patch balance tuning then as well, iirc

[rotund oak]

yeah,alot of updates as well back then

and tuning and all

mop was the expansion that wow got ''modernized'' a bit

rogue cds changed as well,we had evasion as 2min cd

[past marten]

I only played combat back then

[rotund oak]

we had combat readiness

which was amazing vs phys atk

[past marten]

I remember there was some cdr trinket

In siege

Good times back then, still studying.. Not sure I want to ruin my nostalgia by playing it again

[rotund oak]

it wont be the same

they adding different dungeon difficulties

like m+ but ''celestial'' for mop

[pearl pine]

So I've never really played assassination and I am confused. On murlok 48/50 top M+ assa rogues don't run subterfuge, but it is the build on wow head. What gives?

[balmy condor]

They are playing a different game

[winged sun]

Murlok io

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[balmy condor]

Average wowhead reader can get 15% overall from sudden demise killing things

Top 50 io cannot

I mean they could if they dropped 10 key levels

[haughty flicker]

what if im somewhere between average wowhead reader and top 50 io

which corruption do i use then

[red schooner]

[subtle tundra]

youre nothing

you dont exist

[subtle tundra]

full expedient crazy haste build, exsang it up

watch the dotssssss

[royal lantern]

do you?

[subtle tundra]

i am AI

[royal lantern]

prove it by sending feet pics

[subtle tundra]

i trained a model based on 6 years of chat in here, and for the past year youve been talking to an AI

[red schooner]

It explains the meows

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-happy-happy-cat-smile-cat-gif-18259408098481512759

[lucid nexus]

hi, i'm sure this question was already asked dosen of time, so i'm sry. I'm started +17s keys, playing bleed build and on a lot of bosses, ST is a problem. (If it's help, i play with Pwar, Dvoker, Feral, DiscP in the comp).
A lot of people are using cleave build at this level of key, I tried to sim it but except a minor edge on pure ST, every fights I tried to sims the results are incredibly low. Is it really worth it ? I mean people at +18 and more are not stupid people, is there smtg I do not see to have a proper use of the build ?

[subtle tundra]

bleed and cleave have same st, yes

they do similar dmg on higher level keys
and bleed is better in lower keys

[slow helm]

play the one you prefer imo

[subtle tundra]

and people in 18 are definetly stupid

[slow helm]

everyone is stupid

[subtle tundra]

intelligence doesnt scale with key level

i can assure you

[lusty kraken]

the cleave build should give you more than a minor edge in single target

[lucid nexus]

well any build is fine to play, assa is fun for me. I'm just trying to help my team to find a solution (if a solution exist). It's difficult for me to see, if the build can change smtg, or if it's a comp diff and we have to adjust road to assum we are bad on ST, idk.

[subtle tundra]

there is a build that you can try but i cant assure you results

[lucid nexus]

it's like 4% for a loss of more than 10 if u have a lot of target

[slow helm]

there's no easy solution to more st

[subtle tundra]

the zerosss build is more st but harder to play

and youll prob have worse results overall

[normal mist]

That's a miau

[lucid nexus]

with bleed ?

[normal mist]

Zeross build

[lucid nexus]

zeross ?

[slow helm]

no garrotte build i think?

[subtle tundra]

i hate calling it that

[slow helm]

no multi-garotte build

[subtle tundra]

cause garrote is still in the rotation

[autumn idol]

it depends how you're weaving the rotation in single target when it comes to bleed

[lucid nexus]

that's not the cleave build ? with no imp garrot and shrouded suffocation

[subtle tundra]

it also doesnt have subterfuge

[eager bridge]

is there a ressource somewhere with all the debuffs id from assa ? i just setup things on plater then i pressed deathmark and i figured the duplicated debuffs are another id 😭

[autumn idol]

your singletarget on bleed depends very strongly on saving your deathmark for execute with vanish and 2 shiv charges

[subtle tundra]

????

[autumn idol]

why are you question marking me

[subtle tundra]

brother dont give advice anymore

you dont save shit

you press on cd

[autumn idol]

you press on cd, but save if your target is about to reach execute

[subtle tundra]

thats basic assa...

when playing zoldyck

thats raid logic...

but you dont save 30s

[autumn idol]

you would

[subtle tundra]

no?

[lucid nexus]

maintain rupture and garrot on main target, rupture on adds if there is to get scent of blood and energy back. Maintain CT is I can, depends on energy and if nothing to do env. If i'm not wrong.

[autumn idol]

you're not

but you're also supposed to keep above 150 energy

when not in cooldowns (but you'll have thistle tea for cooldowns)

[normal mist]

You can just copy the ones we recommend

[subtle tundra]

you are supposed to be above 150

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

in bleed

[lucid nexus]

for SB yes

is it an absolute mandatory every time during the fight ? Or only in the execute phase ?

[subtle tundra]

its not mandatory at all

its a small minmax

[autumn idol]

i've found more success

if you keep above 150 energy it does about 8-9% of your singletarget

[subtle tundra]

the sims say its a small thing to do if you want

[lucid nexus]

yeah u gain on SB but you lose on env for exemple

[subtle tundra]

not based on looking at your details

[lucid nexus]

ok

[autumn idol]

but for your comp, if you're running devoker and feral i think you'll be more fit to play with zeross' build

[lucid nexus]

so it's worth for example to not refresh on pandemic CT or even lose uptime to maintain SB up and refresh when it's "safe" in theory ?

on ST

[autumn idol]

for ct yes, for garrote/rup no

also, what's your haste at? bleed build gains a lot from haste in singletarget

[royal lantern]

what

[autumn idol]

what do you mean what

[royal lantern]

SB maintenance is the lowest priority

keep rupture gartote up->keep CT up->maintain SB and use envenom if it doesnt break SB

you never let the 3 dots drop

[royal lantern]

its secondarys mate

[haughty flicker]

[subtle tundra]

just sim yo gear

aint DEEP

[royal lantern]

^

the deep thing is my arm is varas butt

no stats

[subtle tundra]

ill have you bent over like youre picking up a dropped wallet

[lucid nexus]

ty for advices

[subtle tundra]

i do recommend... complaining a lot mid key

[gusty mirage]

?

[subtle tundra]

about your ST, the lack of energy, mark

tank chaining

it really helps

[red schooner]

Yapping is a DPS increase

[lucid nexus]

what is a mid key for you ?

[subtle tundra]

mid-key means during the key

any level

any time

[haughty flicker]

the more you complain the more it motivates your team to play better

[subtle tundra]

make sure your team knows youre upset with the spec

my team certainly knew last season

[lucid nexus]

is it really a team play move to say "hey guys, play around me i'm worth it" ?

[royal lantern]

no

[subtle tundra]

no but i didnt say that

[royal lantern]

varas saya that you should bitch like a WoW player

[lucid nexus]

so i didnt understand

ty it helped a bit, i'll try to check to improve energy management maybe

[autumn idol]

imo as higher the keys go, the worse bleed build will be as your dots will start to expire in packs (im a bleed build enjoyer)

[wary crow]

you can still vanish to refresh?

[lucid nexus]

maybe trying hybrid build to have more caustic damage. But i'm not a big fan of losing AP, it's really strong during the key

[autumn idol]

what happens when you run out of vanishes

will you have vanish for every single pull

[shy axle]

you keep up ruptures and ct and go on with your life

[autumn idol]

yes but it's strictly worse than just going with the cleave build

[wary crow]

at least one yep, higher the key higher the time duration is. But the tank need to let you go invisible and don't blindly link

Maybe i'm wrong i'm not a 15+ player

[lucid nexus]

u can restealth between pulls

[autumn idol]

https://tenor.com/bAUPL.gif

[wary crow]

just need to tell the need of invisibility to the tank, lot of them don't get it

[haughty flicker]

[wary crow]

and even if you can't be invisible refresh dots is possible out of invisibility, i mean big pull are a pain, but 6-7 target are doable

[subtle tundra]

he plays with feral, its double the moaning in voice if no restealth

i think..

[lucid nexus]

i use really bad words to make him understand that

[royal lantern]

just dont

??

[autumn idol]

this tbh

[red schooner]

I don't think it's as big of a deal for feral, all they get is an empowered rake and a stun

[split linden]

i have a question about darkest night
you are suppose to re apply it with 7 combo point
when you are supercharged in combo point with shiv during your burst is it a dps loss to re apply it with 5 combo point
same question for during your dry shiv

[spice surge]

Yes, use 7 cp for DN always

[lucid nexus]

we tried to manage roads that allow easy restealth causes two of us need it to and I can manage to get Vanish up to fast chain pull or redots everything if the pull is really big, like first of Priory or Cinderbrew. 99% of the time vanish is an issue is my fault tbh

[haughty flicker]

never do that again

dont ever admit fault

its always the healers fault

bad route is healers fault

poor cd usage is healers fault

[subtle tundra]

true cuh

[cunning cloak]

Low DPS, healers fault

[haughty flicker]

my dps is low bc i had to waste energy on feint

healers fault

[cunning cloak]

You had to use defensive and not DPS buttons

Yup, healer fault

[wary crow]

my dis is low bc heal can't outheal the mechanics *

[radiant yoke]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[hidden bay]

can we use Shiv to supercharge and finish on 7 to get 9 combo point finishers?????

[radiant yoke]

very often it is activating deathmark without trinket. what do i do?

it's not even out of sync

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[hoary remnant]

Just bind trinket and use it

Also trinket macros always use slot 13 etc not the actual trinket name

[autumn idol]

this

you will be swapping on use trinkets often from season to season

[autumn idol]

you can use something like this instead

[split linden]

yes thats what he said when you are on your shiv window and you have to apply DN you always do it at 7 combo point (+ 2 from shiv so 9)

[spice surge]

Its +3 since you have forced induction, but yes

[late hamlet]

Does anyone know a good weakaura to flash the icon of an ability that came off cd on your character? I find myself forgetting to send kingsbane/shiv/deathmark stuff on cd and feel like im losing tons of dps for it so hopefully the WA would help me get used to it

[limpid flume]

Hey so weird question how much of a dps increase is sprocket talents over regular cleave

On average

[rose inlet]

Like the cleave m+ build?

[red schooner]

Might be meaning pure raid st v raid with spatter

[rose inlet]

For me the sim diff is around 300k, if you’re just talking caustic it’s like 20-30k

[red schooner]

Don't have the numbers to hand but it isn't too great, IB isn't all that strong, it's why we run caustic on cauldron despite limited uptime on it

20-30k as groovi said seems about right, it ain't much

[haughty flicker]

depends on if you're willing to play fatebound

[limpid flume]

Alright tyty

[red schooner]

Nobody is willing to play fatebound

[haughty flicker]

im gonna be honest

i just stopped tracking the lucky coin

and it felt fine to play

just vanish slightly differently

[red schooner]

I just never swapped hero talents

[lyric gate]

what was the site again called where you can see the top parses cd usage

[hidden bay]

On Sunday I’ll play entire raid fatebound

[haughty flicker]

[analog field]

lorrgs

[red schooner]

Just need to somehow sneak in some top parses so whispyr has to deal with hundreds of people going "we fatebound now?"

[indigo sphinx]

Start a campaign to make it happen

[red schooner]

This can only end well

[haughty flicker]

if enough of us play fatebound one of us will highroll

[hollow saddle]

With forced induction build, how many mobs are needed for CT to be profitable

[quiet oriole]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i73Wb38TfhAXK14YxUrtZ8

[indigo sphinx]

2

[quiet oriole]

wondering if im doing this right for M+ sims bleed build

[red schooner]

It has to happen. I guess you could say it's... Fatebound

[hollow saddle]

ty

[indigo sphinx]

True

[indigo sphinx]

What do you mean by doing it right? What are you wanting to find?

Double crafted dagger is a bit sadge, everything needs upgrading with crests, you are missing gems on jastor and neck... but yeah I mean the best myth track trinkets are good or something

[red schooner]

Also it's dungeonslice which is right for sin m+ simming so it's fine probably

[split veldt]

this patch better fix corruptions

[slow helm]

what's a fitting punishment if the tank chainpulls so i can't stealth?

[spice surge]

I mean its just echoing, but presumably its not bugged its just intended to be weaker

[red schooner]

Is it the good chainpull or the bad chainpull?

[slow helm]

Bad

aka 95% of chain pulls

[split veldt]

hit meld

[slow helm]

on cd from when he chain pulled 20 seconds ago

[tepid breach]

Dungeon slice sim is still bugged for FI build?

[grim sinew]

what am i doing wrong? Rik Reverb fight as assa, i seen some pov just using Evasion and they dont get stunned from the boss after his circle attack

[haughty flicker]

they patched it a few weeks ago

cant do it anymore

[grim sinew]

alright okay thank you

[fathom roost]

Which talent build are most people using?
I see almost all of the top logs are using Forced Induction.. but it just seems to do way less overall than the Bleed build, in my hands at least

Is FI just better in super high keys? My rogues only at like 14s at the moment

[jaunty sky]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[fathom roost]

oh sweet thanks for the reference!

[obsidian marlin]

depends on your tank too

[fathom roost]

that's a good point, FI does work well when our pack is nicely grouped and I'm actually able to slam all my envenoms in KB window

[jaunty sky]

And you got a target that will live long enough

[fathom roost]

instead of running around trying to stun/survive. Bleed is more apply and forget

[slim copper]

ya i feel like it all depends on when you get a ball

[sullen mural]

Unless u are giga underperforming damage on kill/prog doesnt matter

If more people would stop being horny to get a good log while progging and would just take their blue/green on first kill 90% of guilds would just prog so much faster

[ornate nest]

Hey I'm a returning player from legion, been getting back into the game for about a month now and learned that the crafted gear is actually really really good.
Is it worth it to wait another week or two to get the upgrade to 681? Simming myself there's about a 1.2% increase in single target

[golden loom]

you can always craft at whatever ilvl you can right now, and then re-craft the gear when u get the gilded crests needed

[ornate nest]

Ah so it's not even something I need to stress about then thank you

[lucid basalt]

@winged sun do u play mastery versa in M+ ?

[shy creek]

He does it for eztra defensive ability in the key level hes doing

[keen spruce]

[subtle tundra]

miau

[sullen mural]

vers goated stat

[subtle tundra]

he said sometime recently he doesnt cause dps is needed

as always dps over everything

you can play better defensively

[sullen mural]

Can always ask for one heal

[runic hinge]

I need some prio healing! Heal my character!

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ you have camp

Vamp even

[quiet oriole]

I dont really get to raid much sadly. What other dagger would you recommend i go for the OH? Just looking for input on things I could work on honestly and I don't have hoc. Current trinkets are hero track signet and the delv boom box

I was potentialy going to get hero hoc next week with puzzles

[runic hinge]

It’s a grom quote. Please get with the times old man

It’s a mishmash of two actually

[spice spire]

I’m well aware

[runic hinge]

Okay boomer

[spice spire]

But you don’t need heals big dog. Just need tonynugs to put the fries in the bag

[runic hinge]

Tbh I shoulda played archon in brewery and priory but idk I was not playing well last night either way

[spice spire]

Yeah those seem like archon dungeons

Deadass that 13 made me so sad because like it was an easy thing I just ran outta defensives and chewy was at us

[runic hinge]

If only you had halo healing

[subtle tundra]

nightreign is out!!?!!?!!!!

pog

[spice spire]

Nah it’s more just needed the pack dead sooner. Idg why it was worse on the 13 than the 14

[runic hinge]

We forgot to lust it both times

[novel star]

ye fun game

really really weird game

but fun

[spice spire]

I was saving it for next dungeon!!

[subtle tundra]

well im a huge risk of rain fan

so its my cup of tea

[novel star]

it’s def similar to ror specifically

over other roguelikes

a lot of the game is about time efficiency

wasting time egoing something or moving around without a goal means u just lose lowkey

fast paced as fug

[subtle tundra]

i love cursing my team mates to be faster

fave part

fuckers move fuck your 1 item from the other side of the world

[golden loom]

no im a loot goblin

[subtle tundra]

well o guess you dont mind goblin my nuts

[golden loom]

you died to enemy squad? not my problem i got my gold scar

[novel star]

also the ranger class in nightreign is based

very fun :D

[spice spire]

Based on what

[novel star]

You big dog

[spice spire]

Damn that’s crazy

That has to be the world’s shittiest ranger then I’m built like a shit brick house

[split veldt]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[split veldt]

hmm, archon shows people doing 20's with the bleed build?

[sullen mural]

not for me

[sullen mural]

yeah as said not for me

i didnt say i dont belive you

[split veldt]

i didnt say you didnt

[spice surge]

You can play kinda whatever you want, it doesnt really matter

[split veldt]

just wondering if im looking at this wrong

[sullen mural]

Bleed in 20's sounds kinda rough

Would be surprised if you have enough ST to time them but thats probably key specific

[late parrot]

The second screenshot is just sorted by high key but theyre both 20s

[split veldt]

yeah but the specs are different

[late parrot]

The talents shown are just most popular with that filter the high keys has a much smaller pool

[keen spruce]

Looking at archon at all is wrong

[next compass]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lucid basalt]

15500k crit fine for your build or moar ? @winged sun

[golden loom]

think you need like 3 million

[runic hinge]

you actually dont need any crit if you're just an rng god

[midnight mist]

? you need 16530 mastery dude haha

what are you doing

[hidden bay]

not having 16,5k????

good lord

[wise plume]

idek % of crit 15k is

[lucid basalt]

what,

ive no idea

im just asking i dont play assa

[wise plume]

idk my english is bad today

[normal mist]

dont mind him

[lucid basalt]

what my stats should be for assa m+

for 19's

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/narwhal-dave-narwhal-dave-reaction-dave-reaction-my-honest-reaction-narwhal-dave-ggx-reaction-gif-3562114691356356912

[autumn idol]

shadowlands tb

[lucid basalt]

bro why u acting like a stupid question

its not even that that !stats command right for high keys

like wtf wrong with this assa dogs

[coral ibex]

why do you think you need any specific amount of any stat

[lucid basalt]

holy fucking garbage people like legit

0 personality

[sullen mural]

So you know nothing about assa but you know that that command is wrong

very intresting

[coral ibex]

brother you are copying zeross with 0 brain input

good luck

[meager plank]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[fast phoenix]

homie hasnt seen the sun in eons

[lyric gate]

sun is overrated

[gentle belfry]

Lashga that's an insane question for someone almost 3700io

[fresh kelp]

Too busy buying keys to think

[gentle belfry]

Must be..

[fast phoenix]

i always run 1% crit and 67% haste

[red schooner]

he found the secret haste breakpoint that solves energy issues

he knows too much

[fast phoenix]

my DM window is 4 seconds, they just hemorrhage from my high haste

out of every orifice

[weary spear]

Stats do matter in high keys if he’s asking for specifically 19’s lol

[balmy condor]

surely

[frozen glacier]

[weary spear]

L take Whispyr

[fast phoenix]

stamina the most important stat

then you just need hope, cant have no in your heart

[balmy condor]

I'm sure they don't just sim themselves or feelcraft add a bunch of vers to survive

there MUST be something

I KNOW they have tecch

I NEED the knowledge

you don't GET IT whispyr

[frozen glacier]

zeross teach me your tech

[red schooner]

Just don't stack crit be lucky instead

Life is easy

[fresh kelp]

15500 crit = timed key
15499 crit = brick

[red schooner]

+1 luck ring, secretly huge

[pliant remnant]

The secret 200 extra Crit that changes the whole rotation because it's a +19

[weary spear]

He’s looking for advice from someone running 19’s on his stats there’s nothing wrong with it lol

[haughty flicker]

+1 luck is my favorite stat

perma spinning is bis

[buoyant herald]

Is Big Theorycrafter hiding tech again?

[weary spear]

People crash out about stats way too hard

[balmy condor]

correct

they do

[grim jay]

people care about stats way too much

is the right meaning

of your sentence

[buoyant herald]

They can’t keep getting away with this

[fast phoenix]

PTSD from diminishing returns

[frozen glacier]

what are you hiding whisypr

[gentle belfry]

Who's gonna tell them about the secret Raidbots website?

[balmy condor]

the secret breakpoints to time 19's

I'll never tell

[fresh kelp]

He’s a known clown

[buoyant herald]

There’s an exact correct amount of stats for every scenario you can imagine and he knows them ALL

[grim jay]

I am 100% certain about the crit being 31%

[frozen glacier]

i knew it

[weary spear]

Oh I was unaware mb

[hidden bay]

i wish we had a sim option for high keys

fucking lazy guys we have 😡

[balmy condor]

yeh lashga is the town circus

but giving a shit about stats instead of just simming it

[grim jay]

I personally dont know if lashga is trolling or its just his nature

[balmy condor]

and then being 3700 io and asking a fucking classcord for advice

holy dent

[gentle belfry]

Looool

[pliant remnant]

Sims just don't understand high keys, man

[weary spear]

I agree with simming but is nice sometimes to hear how the stats interact with damage breakdown, like zeross build etc.

[balmy condor]

what does that mean lil bro

[gentle belfry]

What does that mean

[runic hinge]

I mean why not just dm zeross instead of pinging him here

[weary spear]

Crit for envenom spams

[spice surge]

Theres literally nothing different about zeross build

[runic hinge]

Or join his discord and ping him there

[weary spear]

If I have more haste rupture does more envenom does less

[hidden bay]

??? how dare you

[balmy condor]

you're just describing how the class works

what is this

[fast phoenix]

you guys are sleeping on the haste build

[weary spear]

Bleed is haste heavy you goon lmao

[hidden bay]

you guys sleeping on the full fatebound raid-clear

[gentle belfry]

Lashga just fighting the urge to roll off rogue tbh

[balmy condor]

you're telling me dashing scoundrel, the talent that says crit = energy, makes crit slightly better than before?

INSANE

[haughty flicker]

proven more right every day

[weary spear]

Brother

[hidden bay]

if hes talking about sim-numbers then yea

[weary spear]

Not everyone knows everything like you do, I bet 99% don’t know that crit Interacts with dashing

[hidden bay]

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-hogan-brother-gif-20427662

[balmy condor]

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

99% don't know crit interacts with dashing?

[hidden bay]

my god, how can you expect everyone to be able to read???????????

[balmy condor]

that's literally the fucking talent

read the tooltip?

[buoyant herald]

99% can’t read?

[balmy condor]

what

[weary spear]

Yeah lol

[balmy condor]

this isn't rocket science

[hidden bay]

fuuuuuuuuuuuck its all over

[gentle belfry]

[runic hinge]

oh im fully awake

[hidden bay]

i am the 1% which can read

@haughty flicker cant

[balmy condor]

like do you just assume everyone to be a dumbass then or what

[weary spear]

You expect people who don’t read wowhead guide to read through and memorize all their talents and the stats they interact with LOL

[haughty flicker]

ive never read a day in my life

[balmy condor]

I mean, yes, I expect people to know what their talents do

[red schooner]

i use my cat to translate discord for me

[hidden bay]

why do you play a class if you dont want to know what it does in depth?

[balmy condor]

I don't think it's insane of me to expect that

[hidden bay]

[gentle belfry]

There's too many!!!

[red schooner]

imagine reading. train your cat

[weary spear]

I’m saying it’s okay for people to come in here with questions about how stuff interacts in the class haha

[fast phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-bourne-identity-gif-24953824

[weary spear]

Stats included

[balmy condor]

yeah of course it's fine to ask how stuff interacts

[gentle belfry]

At 3700io? Cmon

[weary spear]

I agree there

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

he didn't ask how stuff interacts though, regardless of what his io his

[grim jay]

@balmy condor I've read my talents. which exact stat% do I run for visions?

[hidden bay]

you run fatebound

[fallow canopy]

stack vers so you can survive rexxar side frfr

[buoyant herald]

Of course it’s ok to come in here with a question, and it’s also ok to be fobbed off with a !command that answer it

[balmy condor]

he asked what best, he got an answer he didn't like, and then he crashed out

[fresh kelp]

I just think it’s funny for someone who has previously flamed other key pushers and likes to brag about his purchased io to ask simple questions like what stat me take

[runic hinge]

i will ping you as well with my details from fatebound keys

[hidden bay]

just do it man

who cares

[fallow canopy]

mobs will off themselves after hearing kaching! for the 999999th time

ez +21 timed

[balmy condor]

playing fatebound in keys to bore the mobs to death

[runic hinge]

hell yeah

[hidden bay]

on sunday ill play fatebound whole raid

[balmy condor]

the reverse pad build

[hidden bay]

(hopefully my rogue is group1 and not on monday)

[fallow canopy]

if they remove the thingies from wlogs after their latest poll you can surely frfr go full ethical fatebound and whiff the 50/50 everytime 🙂

||don't crash out on me, this is a joke||

[hidden bay]

who cares about logs just gotta have fun

[fresh kelp]

Fatebound on mugzee

Surely the coins will not hit immune mines and brick your st

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-tweaking-im-about-to-flip-gif-18040573410176970037

[haughty flicker]

thats why you just insta pop every mine so they cant ruin your dps

[fresh kelp]

Or fateintertwined or whatever the talent is called

[haughty flicker]

[fallow canopy]

certified fate intertwined moment

[fast phoenix]

what stats do i want for a +4?

[hidden bay]

second set of cds is during mines aswell who cares

[fallow canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1360267475081756914/comments_of_the_deranged.gif

[balmy condor]

agility

[fast phoenix]

im using int daggers for the better chance to crit, higher intelligence so i know my enemy's weak spots

[spice spire]

How about you start twerking instead

[balmy condor]

on daylea's birthday big dawg?

[hidden bay]

good lord, whispyr twerking on stream???

[spice spire]

Yes?

[balmy condor]

she's turning 30 and you're asking me to twerk?

[spice spire]

so we can get a gif later?

Yes?!

[balmy condor]

ridiculous

[spice spire]

Incredulous

[buoyant herald]

Sounds like the perfect unique gift

[balmy condor]

quake wouldn't be able to handle all this

[spice spire]

Brother I’d snap you in half like a fucking twig

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/hedge-jump-jump-into-hedge-guy-jumps-into-hedge-jump-hedge-hedge-gif-14359482

that's quake jumpin into my ass

[fallow canopy]

punishment or reward?

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[spice spire]

Real

[spice spire]

Depends on what he wants

[balmy condor]

I want you to sybau king

[arctic venture]

Guys SIMC is asking me to replace my enchant to Oathsworn's Tenacity, mythic plus build is that right?

[spice spire]

How about you make me (with your lips)

[arctic venture]

Weapon enchant.

or its a new tricky thing 🙂

[balmy condor]

sure you could do that

yolo

[arctic venture]

Could do or should do?

hehe.

[haughty flicker]

i actually have no idea what that enchant even does

[arctic venture]

heheh just read it, bel 🙂

[haughty flicker]

we established earlier i cant read

thats pretty ableist of you

[arctic venture]

hahaha

[balmy condor]

could

it literally doesn't matter

[arctic venture]

ableist is what simc do to my mind with those options.

😄

[balmy condor]

you're not going to get any noticeable difference from changing a 1.2% enchant to a 1.3% enchant

the dps gain is having an enchant

which enchant it is hardly matters

[autumn idol]

enchant these and see if it matters

gottem

[arctic venture]

@balmy condor I c.

[zenith smelt]

When you play the supercharged build in mytic+ do you want to send 7 points during cds when they are supercharged?

[arctic venture]

itchy my brain

[balmy condor]

you play like normal

[zenith smelt]

I also feels like you kinda get a bit starved on energy with only 3 garots out. is that comon?

[balmy condor]

that's what we spread ruptures for

[unique rover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ornate nest]

When folks are using the M+ Bleed build do you bother using crimson tempest in single target?

[fast phoenix]

hell yeah, make em bleed everywhere

[grim jay]

its strictly better

so yes

[sullen mural]

Higher prio than envenom

[arctic venture]

Bleed bleed

[ornate nest]

Ok gotcha

[arctic venture]

Keep all buffs up

[sullen mural]

Unless darkest night

[ornate nest]

I have been having a lot of fun in AoE but struggling in single target boss fights and hadn't been using it cause I just assumed it was an "AoE ability" but started to reevaluate that, will make it part of my rotation

I appreciate the help

[wary crow]

In raid should i have 2 envenom up or just one is enough to maintain ?

[fast phoenix]

make sure you poison their blood too

[grim jay]

you just spam

[wary crow]

not enough energy

[grim jay]

as much as you can

[spice surge]

Well press it whenever you have energy

[wary crow]

it's not better to always got the buff up

?

then sometime 2?

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[wary crow]

ok

good to know so

it's easier than what i though

[serene mason]

@spice surge do you raid with lining also? what was the difference for you compared to ascension?

[spice surge]

All embellishments suck ass

[serene mason]

[spice surge]

Like its a 0.5% difference between having one and not having it

So the difference between them is like 0.1 or 0.2% at the most

[serene mason]

true

i guess ill sim it myself

[wary crow]

S1 they were fine nah?

[serene mason]

[spice surge]

They give less stats than they did in dragonflight

Not in like a "relative to your gear" type shit either

[sudden brook]

Other issue with lining is uptime

[spice surge]

Like the mastery lining in dragonflight season 4 had 1350 mastery, albeit that had like 50% uptime instead of the current ones with 750 that have ~80% uptime

But still

[serene mason]

gonna miss BSL

[bronze pike]

ret had baseline 80%+ uptime

it was very neat

it was a pain in the ass to convince people to use it tho

[dusk fox]

dumb question but what is best way to max our KB multiplier? My KB usually hit on average for 11M-14M w/ DM.

[normal mist]

auto attack the kb target, keep envenom buff up for the entire duration, use a tea on the last 6(?) seconds of kb i guess

[dusk fox]

Is it important to start kb with envenom buff up?

[autumn idol]

Yes

[hollow saddle]

envenom, DM > Shiv > KS, right?

[autumn idol]

correct

[hollow saddle]

KB*

[autumn idol]

woah i didn't even see it

you mentioned the banned ability name

[fast phoenix]

nice heroic funhouse lens, finally

[sullen mural]

Killing spree my goat

[spice spire]

Delete this nephew

[zenith elm]

Quick question

Is the puzzling cartel chip quest possible to stack ? Or not?

[spice spire]

No

If you miss a week you’re behind

[lament oracle]

ok question, at what lvl does the "meta spec" with kingsbane etc become the better one??

because atm in 13-14s i feel i do more dmg with the non kingsbane bleed build.

it could just be me playing the kingsbane spec poorly tho

[gentle belfry]

17-18

[lament oracle]

aah that would explain it, i feel like most stuff die too quick for me to really dot em up with the "meta build" but with the other one ur dmg is coming out a lot quicker so seems more reliable for "lower" keys 🙂

[fast phoenix]

team comp plays a role too

[zenith elm]

So if i miss a week i'd get only two items ?

[lament oracle]

im mainly stuck with pugs, so comp is never consistent XD

but yeah i guess that makes sense 🙂

but think i will just stick to the bleed for now then, im not pushing 17s anytime soon, im not done with my 14s yet (almost tho, only 3 left)

[autumn idol]

Bleed will do you good

[lament oracle]

ty for the feedback 🙂

[devout jasper]

hey quick question about mythic gally fight for assa, we did 42 pulls and best %62 for now. My boss dmg lower than logs. I checked May 28-30 logs for boss dmg and 0-3.35 timers. They did 530-580M to bosses but i did 490M. I checked full rotation, i dont have any mistake about rotation. How can I improve my boss dmg? Our logs are private so i cannot share here. (In some tries i need to do bomb for help progress, is this effect my boss dmg?)

[sudden brook]

"is doing mechanics and getting off the boss causing me to deal less damage" yes

[fresh kelp]

what bomb are you referring to exactly

[devout jasper]

second one

[jaunty sky]

maybe spam some poisoned knife

[devout jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drink-water-faucet-close-gif-27556516

[fresh kelp]

hmm

yeah that doesnt sound too optimal

[jaunty lotus]

it's how blizz intended us to play

[devout jasper]

yea i know but i must to do this for help to progress in new progress day i will not do bombs.

[fresh kelp]

ive never done a bomb in my life but losing 10% boss damage sounds a bit much

[jaunty sky]

i mean it's easy math

[spice surge]

Bomb takes like 5 seconds, not very impactful

[jaunty sky]

how many seconds are u off the boss and are u losing a cooldown usage by doing it

[fresh kelp]

5 seconds off boss outside of cds is insanely whatever

ur regenning energy anyway

[devout jasper]

yea its true but i cannot find how can I improve my dmg to bosses

its not much clearly

[fresh kelp]

are you feinting a lot?

[devout jasper]

just doing bombs and soaks

like 3-4 times

[jaunty sky]

also who are u comparing to

top 3 parses?

[devout jasper]

no i'm looking to first 100 ppl who play assa

and also exclude externals

i need 80-90M boss dmg too(for now)

[fresh kelp]

in our last kill I misclicked my shiv outside of cds and accidentally tabbed out of the game for like 5s 💀 and did around 550M during that timeframe

[jaunty sky]

well you're losing up to 18% according to whoever you're comparing yourself to

[devout jasper]

just I want this dmg before p2

[devout jasper]

for just I did the bombs

or

[jaunty sky]

bro idk i can't log at your log

we can just guess

[devout jasper]

yea true

[fresh kelp]

i think it is quite unlikely doing the bombs cost you that much damage if it takes less than 10s like eleem suggests

[devout jasper]

i'll try our new progress day without bombs

maybe it will help me for dmg

anyways thanks a lot

[jaunty sky]

i mean you're getting you 2 deathmarks and 4 kingsbanes right

[devout jasper]

yea 1 opener and 1 before overlap

for deathmark

[jaunty sky]

idk i don't think 10%+ is down to having to do mechanics if you're normally a top 100 level player DURING prog

you're playing the 'normal' gally build right

[devout jasper]

yes

[analog flume]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[river ginkgo]

can i do a target dummy sim with the enhanced bleed damage when they are sitting at 0%?

[balmy condor]

no

[river ginkgo]

damn

i pretty sure im shit but i cant tell cause sim is way lower than reality

[loud hawk]

for me bleed build is the hard one :3

[balmy condor]

how

[spice spire]

I asked

[thorn thorn]

Upkeeping bleed uptime is hard bro

Getting 99% isnt free

[balmy condor]

the thing you have to do regardless of build?

[thorn thorn]

Ya it costs energy /s

[balmy condor]

true

[thorn thorn]

And combo points ya now

Less envenoms

Less envenoms = less damage

[worthy rose]

my life has changed ever since zeross gave me his mouseover rupture macro

[winged sun]

Nice don’t share my secret

[worthy rose]

your macro is so good i dont even need a nonmacrod rupture

[worn heath]

Hello all - is there a mastery cap or a point of diminishing returns? I searched through the pinned messages and wowhead and icyveins but I haven't found a concrete answer.

[worthy rose]

since it does the mouseover or target both

its super based

theres a reason zeross is #1 rogue

[blazing pumice]

yes, but it's a flat number not a %

and it depends on the class

[coral ibex]

i mean thats just a normal macro?

[worthy rose]

still changed my life

[worn heath]

What is it for sin rogues?

[thorn thorn]

Breaking news harunie has discovered that macros can make the game easier

More at 10

[worthy rose]

nah ive been using macros for a bit

is there a way to make a shadowstep macro work universally for both mouseover and on target

it seems like it needs to have a noharm or harm modifier to work

but what if i want to shadowstep to a friendly and not a enemy

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] [@target] Shadowstep

this doesnt work

[blazing pumice]

i don't know, it doesn't really matter

you should be following what sims say, not avoiding dr

[worthy rose]

wait i think i just biggbrain fixed it

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,noharm] [@target] Shadowstep

fuck no id idnt

#showtooltip shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,exists] [@target,exists] Shadowstep

ok this is the macro that works

[royal lantern]

this is the 4th +10 dungeon im tanking where the assa rogue is using instant poison instead of deadly

please PLEASE disable instant for assa blizz

jfc

[glacial slate]

Is it worth casting envenom with darkest night up if deathstalker's mark is already on the target?

[edgy mauve]

wait instant poison isnt the way to go?

[royal lantern]

@winged sun thats the build that the 1,8k score rogue in a +10 key plays btw

that is using instant poison instead of deadly

[winged sun]

💀

[royal lantern]

i love archon/murloc/whatever those shity websites are called

where people copy paste stuff

:3

[spice surge]

Yes you always cast envenom asap with darkest night up

Because the mark is bugged and doesnt work properly when darkest night is up (ie you cant reduce it below 3 stacks)

[glacial slate]

Ahh ty 🙂

[thorn thorn]

Talent importing was a mistake feature

[jaunty sky]

Before you just clicked around until the pictures matched

[thorn thorn]

Yes

Mandatory reading of talents if you want to import them

[normal mist]

A quizz for every talent you put points on

[thorn thorn]

Funny you mention that cuz I was about to suggest random pop quizes about talents

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flames-chaos-cat-flames-fire-cat-gif-24032863

[thorn thorn]

[buoyant herald]

Can’t see any reason why deadly wouldn’t just replace instant, I guess you can take DTB without amplifying though technically

But if you’re playing a home cooked build that scuffed you probably aren’t going to care if you take instant instead of deadly anyway

[balmy condor]

yeh, I assume the only reason deadly doesn't replace instant is cause of non-amp dtb

[spice surge]

No reason why amp shouldnt be replacing instant though

[balmy condor]

that's fair

[spice surge]

Wouldnt help the bleed boys from making the mistake

But

[royal lantern]

deadly replaces instant, and you only get instant back when you take DtB or something like that idk man

[thorn thorn]

dtb requires amp to get and deadly replaced instant

[eager knot]

How's shadow step work correctly on mythic mugzee, unfortunately had gaols and, no i some how can't shadow step out to enemy or players 🤔 massive caustic splatter loss 😢

[sharp lily]

Welcome to Line of Sight

[cobalt jewel]

I think I read that Echoing Void is still not triggering correctly... is this still true? Sorry to bring it up again 😦

[frigid kestrel]

The pin is saying that’s still the case. They are very good at keeping them up to date

[royal lantern]

you literally never could do that?

you get gripped out by a priest or evoker

[somber sparrow]

i heard that pins have to have an update text in all caps and not just an edit time for that to be true

[fervent fractal]

in the Rogue Whispyr edit WA package, does it indicate any where how many mobs your garrote/rupture are applied to?

I'm not quite sure if I see it any where

[runic hinge]

rupture has a scent of blood tracker on it

which will tell you up to 5

[fervent fractal]

but there's nothing that lists the garrotes or ruptures, or a static count?

[buoyant herald]

there's a renewing mist tracker for MW so the tech is there, haven't found a rupture counter yet though, i just cheat and use the scent stacks

even though it's a bit annoying as each rupture = 4 stackis

[eager knot]

Thanks , I thought so I tried it guess lol

[fast phoenix]

you dont need that tbh

[slim copper]

i garrote on cd

all i do

[fervent fractal]

Is there a scent of blood tracker on the rogue wa whispyr edit?

[balmy condor]

It’s on rupture yes

[stark trout]

Very nooby question but helping a friend who's coming back to the game and playing rogue. Is there an AOE CC on rogues (specifically assassin) that is used in M+? I can't tell if Blind is necessarily aoe or single target when reading a few different things.

Or any sort of CD often used in M+ outside of the normal Kick

[normal mist]

Blind is an AoE stop

with the talent

CC wise we have ST kidney shot (stun)

[stark trout]

Stop meaning interrupting casters right? (Like rotate with DK sleet, Mage blast wave, etc)

[normal mist]

Yes

[stark trout]

Thank you, exactly what I needed

[fervent fractal]

Oh wow I didn't know that, im gonna try to use blind, I thought we were SOL of aoe stops for some reason

[normal mist]

AoE Blind is awesome so stop some casts/abilities

[frigid kestrel]

They shouldn’t honestly just do a new pin daily. As long as there is a red notification and people read it, questions should go down to zero.

[winged sun]

Aoe blind is absolutely dogshit

Longer cd than better cc’s and it costs a gcd for a class that cant afford wasting a gcd while other classes have way more aoe stops

Blind is arguably the worst aoe cc in the game

[normal mist]

you're talking in high keys my man, not everyone plays 20s

[winged sun]

Its not like cc matters in +10s

[spice surge]

Compare rogue to enhance in terms of utility

[normal mist]

but it does

If people are not geared

[wispy iris]

ripping threat right after tricks fall off is definitely the tanks fault right

[winged sun]

Not true at all

They just need a brain to press their dps/healing buttons

[normal mist]

I think you pushing R1 made you forget what happens in low keys

[winged sun]

I dont recall using any cc’s in this key correctly

If any at all

[gentle belfry]

Brother you can blast 15s without ever touching blind

[winged sun]

^

[gentle belfry]

What is this argument

[winged sun]

I dont even press blind on soem of our 20 keys

Cuz its so useless

Same with kidney holy shit that ability is so bad

[gentle belfry]

Not using blind is the literal last thing keeping anyone from pushing keys

[winged sun]

Rogue byfar has the worst cc’s out of all classes i dont recall any class that has worse cc’s

[stark trout]

I wasn't asking for pushing keys

[spice surge]

In theory kidney shot is good if theres 1 dangerous target you need to stop

[stark trout]

I was just asking for my friend getting into the game

[spice surge]

But like, all packs have 3 mobs

[thorn thorn]

Most healers can brute force heal a complete lack of kicks or stops in 10s unless the failed one in question is an intended wipe mechanic

[spice surge]

So kidney shotting doesnt do much

Since you still need to stop the others anyway

[winged sun]

For cases like that yah

[stark trout]

And Royal gave a pretty good answer based on the question

[thorn thorn]

Obviously doesnt mean it will be a fun experience tho

[stark trout]

And then Zeross was like "acshulally i dont use blind in high keyssss"

lmao

[winged sun]

Blind is bad especially if ppl have kicks ready

Then someone overlaps kick

Gg

Thats a wasted cc that just made it worse

[spice surge]

I mean if you compare blind to something like thunderstorm that has literally 1/3 of the cooldown

[winged sun]

In organized comps u cant bring rogue because it has only 1 aoe cc and its so short

[hallow glade]

Blind is great for synching the autos of your pack so the tank gets smacked extra hard

[winged sun]

Breaks insta

[hidden bay]

Vanish and cheap shot everything

[thorn thorn]

I did this in a key once and the vdh told me to stop using it

[hallow glade]

Distract is the best cc rogue has

[winged sun]

Im not rly talking about blind just because im pushing this season

[thorn thorn]

Tricks is the best cc rogues have

[winged sun]

Blind has been rly bad for a long time

[earnest remnant]

take the DR talent and pretend it does something

[stark trout]

How else would everybody know

[winged sun]

Wait wtf

I will take it

Ur crazy

We have an outlaw rogue

How did i not think about it

Holy shit

[spice surge]

Rogue is just passanger princess, cant stop, provide nothing but a 3% DR and has a melee kick

[hallow glade]

Sin already pulling off the prio I’m so afraid to not have tricks

[winged sun]

Stealthi i forgot about blackjack

Haven’t touched that shit since s3 DF

[earnest remnant]

dont think ive been talented into tricks in ages

[spice surge]

I mean its only useful if youre the last stop in the chain

[fallow canopy]

on stix to tricks the boomkin

[thorn thorn]

[earnest remnant]

they die to aggro without me helping

[hallow glade]

I imagine it’s good in like FG on the kelps

[fallow canopy]

but I like to secure the kill

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

Short answer is its fine to take

Long answer is it was better in DF when any CC put caster spells on CD

Very meh now

[stark trout]

Makes sense. Thanks for the reasonable answer

[spice surge]

Jumpers on gorechop, archers in top or priory too. Thats mostly it though

Barring stray kicks ofc, but thats only if youre the last one in the rotation

[hallow glade]

Maybe the packs in ML because you know one of the fuckers is getting a cast off when everyone runs from the circle on the ground 🙈

[spice surge]

But then again, you probably are the last one anyway since blind is stinky

[thorn thorn]

Give aoe Kidney

[spice surge]

Jokes on you, all the melees in my group has ranged kicks

(besides me)

[winged sun]

LOOOL

7 sec aoe kidneyy

[hallow glade]

Rogue “kick” also being the worst kick any melee has