or just send on main target
#assassination
gilded bronze
stuck knoll
Bdk can do it
stuck knoll
Issue with vdh is most of the players suck at it
gusty mirage
or just send on main target
Just send on main target, it has smart targeting. So you lose 1 bleed by just bleeding the same one twice
So like in a pack of 6, if you garrote the same target twice you’ll have 5 garrotes out
Same with rupture
gusty mirage
Technically tab targeting
But also it’s like very minimally better
Where it’s not even worth the effort if you’re not absolutely trying to min max
potent raven
anyone down for a 15 floodgate 3 rogues
btw critting for 10-12m with envenom is so fcking satisfying
its insane
vapid jacinth
I think unless you can guarantee the next tab target is going to be a non-ruptured enemy, having to tab and shift tab 2-3 times will have you lose globals that are better spent on mutilate and envenom spam (when playing no garrote build at least)
novel star
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
novel star
gamers we have a command for this
gusty mirage
Commands are for cowards
gilded bronze
is there a list for commands?
coral ibex
USD?
novel star
i don’t have access either idk i just remember a lot of them because i’m autistic
gilded bronze
GP
coral ibex
ill tell you all the commands for 10k usd
gusty mirage
You cannot unfortunately, it is strictly locked behind email specific access. We should make commands that list all the commands, but that would just make sense
And we don’t do that here
gilded bronze
best class discord so far
novel star
i’ll social chess my way into that spreadsheet one day
gusty mirage
I’ll make a command for it soon
coral ibex
what is title rn
probably 3800+
potent raven
bruh
gusty mirage
Or fix the !commands command
novel star
3650 or something
potent raven
yeah thats not happening
potent raven
well me and my friends were pushing 16s when i was playing on my dk
coral ibex
people are pugging 16's in lfg every day
potent raven
i just swapped to rogue
novel star
resi 18s?
gusty mirage
Raider IO has a projected cut off
desert cove
yeah, title is definitely a grass averse style of play
novel star
season end will probably be resi 19s
potent raven
dont have that much time
novel star
potent raven
ill try my best tho
gusty mirage
Have you considered quitting your job and abandoning your loved ones for more fake internet points?
novel star
title is for losers u gotta be a loser
coral ibex
since these freaks push until the last hour of the last day of the season
potent raven
Have you considered quitting your job and abandoning your loved ones for more fa...
Thats how it goes
coral ibex
like it matters
novel star
Have you considered quitting your job and abandoning your loved ones for more fa...
get a loved one who also is a loser interested in title or something
idfk man
coral ibex
yea bro emplus brain is a terminal disease
gusty mirage
since these freaks push until the last hour of the last day of the season
And they get alts up there to help gatekeep it a little more
coral ibex
dont try to contract it
gusty mirage
Pretty cool of them
potent raven
The only value they hold to themselves is a high number in video game that ultimately means nothing 😂
uneven plume
sounds like a get good angle
desert cove
that's why I get 3k in the season for the mount and then stop caring
potent raven
based
desert cove
just fill vault and get crests
uneven plume
potent raven
i said it first.
gusty mirage
I got 3k and started leveling and gearing my pally to inevitably quit in a week
Like the Flying Spaghetti Monster intended
potent raven
i got 3k on a few chars kek
thats how boring this season is
that ive geared 5 alts
novel star
pushing is pretty fun with friends but a 5 stack of friends who are funny and light hearted and also good at the game
desert cove
bro if I tried to prog CE and push title at the same time I think I would actually find the nearest bridge over water and let surface tension do the work for me
potent raven
i did get CE first season i started playing and around 3500 rio and I became suicidal
from playing 8 hours a day
gusty mirage
bro if I tried to prog CE and push title at the same time I think I would actual...
As a former hof raider, I didn’t even need to push for title to want to do that
desert cove
oh I can't even imagine what the grind is like for a HoF guild
gusty mirage
desert cove
playing like, what, 5 days a week minimum
for raiding alone?
that sounds like hell
gusty mirage
We were a 3 day guild thankfully
novel star
just hof is not that bad really
desert cove
I bet you had extra days
gusty mirage
But 12 hours a week lmao
desert cove
yikes
desert cove
I can barely make it through 3 hours dude
gusty mirage
Come home from work at 7pm, log on run a key and go to raid
coral ibex
thats like exactly how much i want to raid lol
desert cove
I raid 9 hrs total in the week (3 x 3)
gusty mirage
4 hour raid nights are pointless anyway because by the time you get to 2.5 hours in everyone’s just done
desert cove
yep
novel star
4 hour raid nights are pointless anyway because by the time you get to 2.5 hours...
this is true tho
ur guild identical prog as a 9h
desert cove
I was in a really shitty guild at one point that was 4 hours 4 nights a week that wasn't even close to HoF
I just had too much time on my hands
it was terrible
idk if he still goes by this moniker but if you ever see someone named Flamesane stay far away
novel star
the issue with you being in depressing guilds isn’t having too much time on your hands it’s just having too little respect for yourself
desert cove
the issue with you being in depressing guilds isn’t having too much time on your...
yeah that was def a part too
novel star
you can choose to spend your large amount of free time on something that isn’t cancer
gusty mirage
the issue with you being in depressing guilds isn’t having too much time on your...
I loved my guild tbh, 3 of them were at my wedding 2 weeks ago
potent raven
genuinely hate raiding hate the social part of it and how gatekept it is
gusty mirage
I’m driving to Tennessee for one’s wedding in 2 months
runic hinge
You’re the only ten I see
desert cove
I love my current guild so much
gusty mirage
You’re the only ten I see
desert cove
like there are a couple bad apples, but they're so few and far behind that I can look past it
gusty mirage
the CE guilds on eu are super super toxic
Probably way less racist than the US ones
gusty mirage
So many racist and homophobic comments in my WR grind
Then I got lucky, back to back good guilds
No room for that shit
potent raven
kek
gusty mirage
So after both died I called it quits
Didn’t think I’d find gold 3 times in a row lol
potent raven
i remember joining a wr 600 guild or somehting and the GL made me do a mechanic ive never done b4 and i failed it and he said hed kick me if i failed it one more time 
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
I got voluntold for all the bitch work
coral ibex
it was run by a 24 year old unemployed rust addict
red schooner
i remember joining a wr 600 guild or somehting and the GL made me do a mechanic ...
this is why i'm very content to be in a rfwl guild, there's limited pressure
gusty mirage
Fun times
red schooner
if i'm put under pressure i just fuckin' fold and will fuck up due to panic
it ain't worth it
potent raven
yea well u get used to it
but at first its hard
i was aight at raiding but when i got the chance to join a good guild and raid with them i was so anxious
gusty mirage
Yeah I mean at the end of the day, this is a video game that you pay good money to play. Most important thing is having fun imo
potent raven
i was sweating
gusty mirage
Whatever that looks like to you
potent raven
and i failed
coral ibex
i got yelled at for someone else's fuck up on kyveza and got slurred and i just left the raid and guild disc
potent raven
i got yelled at for someone else's fuck up on kyveza and got slurred and i just ...
ye
gusty mirage
i got yelled at for someone else's fuck up on kyveza and got slurred and i just ...
Yikes
potent raven
same thing happened to me
some1 just staright up yelled at me and i left discord n guild
mid raid
dgaf
red schooner
Yeah I mean at the end of the day, this is a video game that you pay good money ...
Yeah, raided once under a raid leader who liked to shout at people, ended up stress-puking post raid and just went.... yeah, nah
potent raven
u r not talking to me like that lol
red schooner
That ain't for me dog
coral ibex
like bro i dont let people who PAY me at my JOB talk to me like that
suck me from the back
gusty mirage
I had a guy yell at me once in early SL
I went on a 15 minute rant telling him I wish his mother swallowed the load that made him
I got gkicked shortly after
Can’t imagine why
desert cove
I went on a 15 minute rant telling him I wish his mother swallowed the load that...
holy based
coral ibex
i know im getting old because my immediate reaction was im not taking this from some fucking kid
potent raven
the excuse a GL made to kick me was cuz I was russian one time lol
coral ibex
dude would be awake 6am on a wednesday playing rust and then wake up right before raid time
candid mural
If you don't do Raid content, Should you craft both daggers ?
coral ibex
get a job
gusty mirage
i know im getting old because my immediate reaction was im not taking this from ...
Yeah idk man, we’re all adults there’s no reason to talk down to someone or yell at them
It’s a fucking video game lmao
potent raven
yea i dont tolerate that stuff at all
gusty mirage
It’s not that serious
potent raven
nobody has the right to yell at me cuz of a video game or anything
yup its not that deep lol
uneven plume
You can yell if you have the same energy in person
uneven plume
not behind a computer screen
desert cove
there is a hunter in my guild that crashed the fuck out last night after I came in for bandit reclear and jokingly said that I didn't really mess up mechanics after only being in for 16 pulls (I had a rough schedule this semester so I couldn't prog)
gusty mirage
not behind a computer screen
They never do
desert cove
and one thing lead to another and he was crashing out about how he's tired of getting "picked on" for doing poor damage b/c of mechanics, and that he's tired of doing mechanics
it was certainly something
desert cove
this isn't the first time he's had this crashout
waxen oyster
wrong class buddy
jaunty lotus
We want to kill the giant slot machine, not fix it. Mechanics aren't needed.
coral ibex
yes well many people play hunter because BM is so easy a monkey could do it
coral ibex
and then they get upset when they're expected to use their copious unused brain capacity for mechs
"but i picked hunter bc im dumb"
jaunty lotus
You use the extra time to netflix
pliant remnant
You can do your rotation, mechanics and watch Netflix on BM
potent raven
my envenom hit for 30 mil on 1st boss of raid? dafuq
pliant remnant
and still have some brain capacity left over
desert cove
my envenom hit for 30 mil on 1st boss of raid? dafuq
damage amp
waxen oyster
vexie has damage amp
pliant remnant
potent raven
lol i didnt even know
uneven plume
30mil kinda low no?
potent raven
i dont raid at all
uneven plume
you can do much more on dmg amp
deep gyro
how hard have ur envenoms hit tehre
red schooner
how hard have ur envenoms hit tehre
36mil
oblique sorrel
Yea that’s average for a darkest night shiv envenom
potent raven
i play with a lot of vers gear
fresh kelp
pine crater
In raid scenario, is void ritual better than echoing void?
red schooner
In raid scenario, is void ritual better than echoing void?
Echoing void is still bugged and is underperforming in game, but 5/6 of the corruptions simmed within margin of error for me so, void ritual will be fine
pine crater
ok, but the sims doesnt account for the bug right?
red schooner
ok, but the sims doesnt account for the bug right?
Not as far as I know
autumn idol
pausebusiness
nova aspen
kill command kill command kill command barbed shot kill command kill command kill command
normal mist
you mean 12121221312312123213123
golden loom
for me it would be QERQERQRTQERQRT
gusty mirage
kill command kill command kill command barbed shot kill command kill command kil...
Wait start over I got confused after the 2nd kill command
normal mist
Goddamn it oxi
nova aspen
gusty mirage
normal mist
Oxi how's you and how's wife
gusty mirage
Good, limping into the weekend
So I can hop on a plane and go to Hawaii (I’m never coming back)
autumn idol
rank 2 yippie (now rank 5 
)
nova aspen
how hot we talkin here 
normal mist
FALSE
normal mist
rank 2 yippie (now rank 5 <a:PepeLaughing:592471780275519518>)
gj
gusty mirage
rank 2 yippie (now rank 5 <a:PepeLaughing:592471780275519518>)
Rank 1 in my heart
autumn idol
Rank 1 in my heart
yeah fuck the chinese
gusty mirage
normal mist
yeah fuck the chinese
if you're into them why not
nova aspen
but 20 dollars is 20 dollars
autumn idol
this
tawny rapids
!signet
hey guys, i saw a command someone did about signet not working prorperly unless mastery is your top stat? can somsone share this?
earnest remnant
if you're into them why not
why did i just feel like i got third partied SA'd
static glacier
hey guys, i saw a command someone did about signet not working prorperly unless ...
?
it works properly
sharp lily
hey guys, i saw a command someone did about signet not working prorperly unless ...
It gives you the highest secondary, so if mastery isnt your highest....
static glacier
it just gives you whatever is your highest stat
for sin we typically want it to give mastery
autumn idol
hoc tuah hoc tuah
normal mist
hey guys, i saw a command someone did about signet not working prorperly unless ...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
normal mist
by "not working properly" i'd guess they mean not getting mastery, which is what we want
but the trinket works properly
tawny rapids
oh great thank you mate
normal mist
you just gotta set up your stats in a way for the trinket to always give you mastery
tawny rapids
so my numbers are 11,229 crit and 24469 masters so im all good?
normal mist
yes
you gucci
unless you have a super mega proc that gives you crit that goes above that mastery number, you always get mastery from the trinket
waxen oyster
pacemaker+flask can be super cursed
in pushing you over
if the 2 are close enough
indigo mulch
Is it worth keeping rupture on the shielded adds on mugzee?
Not sure if you get energy when they are immune D:
autumn idol
you do
you just need to also keep your poisons on
but you also gain energy from rupture sniping them
but also... i think ass does more damage to goons based on boss positioning (caustic spatter)
indigo mulch
I was thinking about the flying thingies.
grim jay
pacemaker+flask can be super cursed
And ascendance and jastor
autumn idol
you want them ruptured
golden loom
Is it worth keeping rupture on the shielded adds on mugzee?
I just rupture it just before the shield breaks and it dies
so you just rupture snipe it
waxen oyster
i wish blessed weapon grip was better
indigo mulch
I just rupture it just before the shield breaks and it dies
So there is no real point on actually keeping rupture up on the shielded adds? D:
hollow saddle
Yeah some embelishment that actually buffed either ur AoE by alot of ur ST by alot. So you could choose depending on how u'd wanna run ur spec n keys
indigo mulch
Other than sniping ofc.
loud hawk
Did outlaw rogue started to getting better than Assa?
golden loom
So there is no real point on actually keeping rupture up on the shielded adds? D...
Well they are usually out of range and if your rupture doesnt proc a poison you cant reliably poison them
And then you dont get energy
indigo mulch
Fair.
acoustic roost
I set up a bleed or two on the shielded adds before a KB window
golden loom
So I like just rupturing the one after 1st prisons before deathmark
Always rupture the rocket soak guy tho
golden loom
And then in intermission you can rupture+ dry shiv the flying add if it lives
autumn idol
my guild pulls the boss over the add in the beginning
golden loom
Well in opener you dont need to rupture
autumn idol
yes
however
delaying my opener allows me to get last seconds of kingsbane
on the goons
at 1:20 mark
golden loom
yeah I guess but idk it creates some awkwardness
like if the cages arent lined up
and I feel mugzee atm
is a race to get all ur cds off
so you just wanna be slamming on cd no matter what
at the end of the day spattering the goons isnt that massive
autumn idol
too many mug jug wanters
autumn idol
glgl
golden loom
got it to 17% last pull yesterday tho so maybe it dies on sunday
autumn idol
i hope youre not the de enrager
golden loom
I am 🙂
autumn idol
despair
golden loom
but I realized yesterday it does not matter
like the adds just die before they enrage at this point 
autumn idol
Yh
golden loom
and I still wanna hold cds for the 4th add set when they spawn in so I can send a shiv randomly on 3rd pack
autumn idol
you got through the hardest part (p1)
golden loom
yeah boss is weird
autumn idol
as long as you lock in the rest is easy
golden loom
like we have 90 pulls on p1 and then like our last 2 pulls of the night were 34% and 17%
autumn idol
yup
as soon as you consistently get out of p1 its dead within 5 pulls
boss just decides to stop doing mechanics
idk they forgot to tune the damage numbers
golden loom
p1 is actually hard tho
autumn idol
yes
subtle crown
As sin, what is the best way to do better with damage and get a decent parse on a fight like Mythic Richard Reverberations? (Rik)? Is it mostly FoK for the AoE and relying on caustic splatter and snap shotting Ruptures on adds? I know the add placements are random but just wondering if there is a consistent way of doing better that I'm not doing vs relying on RNG placement.
balmy condor
aside from the odd rupture snipe, pray for spawns
autumn idol
this
subtle crown
RIP
golden loom
big richy is a bastard yep
autumn idol
almost all bosses are when it comes to parsing (kinda)
golden loom
yeah idk I wanna reclear already
stix I got first ballset and died
OAB I threw up on my final rotation and we held damage for 40 sec
rancid bronze
why the top assa rogues running more vers/mas for keys over crit/mas
autumn idol
are you getting this from logs
fleet pagoda
stix I got first ballset and died <:garf:1320173032743899157>
i got a nice little grey 11 parse on our stix kill because i could no longer trust our ethical wizards to blast the far away bombshells
normal mist
why the top assa rogues running more vers/mas for keys over crit/mas
Because they are top rogues, doing their individual things
mainly simming
golden loom
well bleeding edge keys probably run vers to actually live
and give up damage
but if u arent doing 20s
dont
or do
its all the same
autumn idol
big number go up
rancid bronze
but without crit isnt energy just cooked
autumn idol
i love seeing 39mil crits on momma and you cant stop me
normal mist
i assume m+
autumn idol
yes
golden loom
well they do run dashing in that build yeah but idk
just run vers for -1% damage to live
idk it aint that deep
autumn idol
versatility why duuuud
golden loom
@rancid bronze are you at a point where using defensives dont actually keep you alive
maybe look into more verse
otherwise idk just game
autumn idol
go full crit -> blame healer
rancid bronze
this season im just playing sub but since i already have the vers/mas gear i was gonna try assa i tried some keys and just felt like the energy was cooked bc i wasnt critting
golden loom
nah thats fine
autumn idol
on bosses with pure single target you will always be energy starved kinda
rancid bronze
yeah the bosses felt giga bad as im doing barely above tank dam on ST
normal mist
and what key level
autumn idol
that too
rancid bronze
i just ripped the r1 rio persons build, i only tried it in a couple keys - just 13s
golden loom
if ur doing 13s just play bleed
autumn idol
this
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
autumn idol
also if you're playing bleed
if you send mark on pull and it comes back up, look to save it for execute due to zoldyck recipe
and idk if everyone does this but i found more success in keeping up sanguine blades in single target as well which sucked
normal mist
Thats the idea yes
autumn idol
huh
normal mist
Keep energy >150 if no Cd's are being used
golden loom
cause you still gotta maintain bleed and darkest nights and cds before caring about sanguine
autumn idol
Keep energy >150 if no Cd's are being used
this
restive glade
Keep energy >150 if no Cd's are being used
golden loom
so playing for sanguine ends up being like 15-20% of the time
restive glade
https://tenor.com/view/payed-you-guys-are-getting-gif-25371494
Y’all are saving energy?
golden loom
for not that big of a gain
autumn idol
cause you still gotta maintain bleed and darkest nights and cds before caring ab...
you can do that easily without going below 150
but to be honest
i was running 15% haste when i did bleed build
because of this
golden loom
same
normal mist
Y’all are saving energy?
In theory, you can do it and it probably is a dps increase, even if small
autumn idol
i mean the result is non-negligent
golden loom
well I mean you have 2 shivs that you slam outside of DM
and you wanna slam stuff during shiv
autumn idol
sang ends up doing like 8-10% of your boss dam
autumn idol
and you wanna slam stuff during shiv
i usually vanish for MA & empowered garrote with 2 shiv charges
if i have another vanish for mark
golden loom
I guess it also depends on the key
feel like most bosses have some add thing going on where u can gain vanish value
like even if ToP feels like a ST favored dungeon theres a lot of adds on the bosses
at the end of the day
keys are just timed no matter what atm
think we had 18 deaths on a +13 top today and almost 2 chested
restive glade
kinda sucks that hype greasy “I gotta time this key and not fuck up” feeling is now 15 keys when it used to be 12s 🦧
restive glade
yea definitely, I guess from game dev perspective it makes sense
keep people playing n pushing w better gear. More grind n playtime
how long till next raid if y’all had to guess (prolly 11.2 yea?)
marsh glade
any could help? for low lvl gear what could i get with chips from quest? any advice appreciate
restive glade
ye 11.2, “summer”
normal mist
Yo
normal mist
any could help? for low lvl gear what could i get with chips from quest? any adv...
probably ring
gusty mirage
Definitely ring
autumn idol
ye 11.2, “summer”
probably looking at end of july
gusty mirage
You’re never replacing that ring
autumn idol
maybe later
gallagio club rewards are what
at level 13?
dont expect the raid to end before that maxes out
and then some
so at least 7 more weeks i think
rare jackal
anyone have a lingering darkness aura standalone?
marsh glade
ty all for the responds
autumn idol
anyone have a lingering darkness aura standalone?
whats that again
rare jackal
autumn idol
i dont ever play around it but you got everything you need to make your own
royal lantern
hello bad with weakauras
autumn idol
you'd be surprised how easy it is
rare jackal
hello bad with weakauras
ah a fellow german whats up
brave comet
just lost a 99% gallywax parse
royal lantern
ah a fellow german whats up
the opposite of down
autumn idol
you pretty much only need the spell ID
rare jackal
you pretty much only need the spell ID
yeah i tried like 3 ids
and it never worked properly
acoustic roost
Make sure it’s buff not debuff. Made that mistake a few times 🤣
autumn idol
put mark on, wait for it to expire
hover over your buff and check the spellID
and yeah, what lig said
theres a nifty thing with weakauras, i forgot where its placed but you have templates
what you're looking for are icon templates for tracking buffs where pretty much everything will already be set up, you just need to either select the aura you're tracking, or if not present in the templates, enter the spell ID
and then you can play around with glows, positioning, size etc
personally i wouldnt even bother because i dont think you ever play around it
restive glade
anyone have a lingering darkness aura standalone?
There’s a setting you can turn on in the wa that is usually linked
Devlins
acoustic roost
Junkmasters trinket or dry shiv pretty much it
autumn idol
Junkmasters trinket or dry shiv pretty much it
just have mythic kezan*, mythic hoc, mythic pacemaker and signet
restive glade
autumn idol
otherwise skill issue
worn pelican
heyoo, maybe a dumb question, but until whhich point stops the cycres ring being bis for assa rogue?
loud light
I wonder how many people know enough to go look up zeross on rio and copy his build but not enough to figure out how to play it
and are just disasters
loud light
heyoo, maybe a dumb question, but until whhich point stops the cycres ring being...
sim it, for me it wasn't until the new ilvl boost on a myth track ring
but it may be different for you!
mortal wave
do you guys use mouseover macros for stuff like Garrote and Rupture?
pulsar prism
I think its a preference thing
autumn idol
it is a preference thing
buoyant goblet
I dunno if garrote would be worth it tho
autumn idol
if you ever play bleed build, yes it would be
runic hinge
I wonder how many people know enough to go look up zeross on rio and copy his bu...
A large percentage id say
somber sparrow
probably with hero if it's used on the first pull
i think the bigger problem people have is not using their cooldowns often enough, so using it on cooldown will be better overall
buoyant herald
Always always always best to err on the side of using too often and unoptimally than using not enough
plush iris
like im in a 17
humble verge
not bad for a 16 with hybrid
restive glade
not bad for a 16 with hybrid
you aren’t running build in sub 18key REEEEE
humble verge
i feel i spammed crimson a lot
buoyant herald
It’s a good ability
restive glade
so parse tech for oab (as were progging it)
-hold first mark+kb for ad spawn for more caustics ~@40sec
-never target switch just caustic (unless u have to)
sound about right or am I missing something
balmy condor
but hybrid got prio
all the builds do similar prio idk where people keep getting this from
balmy condor
so parse tech for oab (as were progging it)
-hold first mark+kb for ad spawn fo...
40 seconds is an insane amount of time to hold
humble verge
all the builds do similar prio idk where people keep getting this from
KB EQUALS PRIO
SUCKIT DOOD
balmy condor
you hold like maybe 4-5 seconds at most so it lines up with the add spawn
restive glade
40 seconds is an insane amount of time to hold
u showed method timer in stream, whatever time first ad set spawns, it’s prolly less than 40 not on pc to check
balmy condor
yeah it's like legit 4-5 gcds extra
you just rupture snipe and double envenom and you're basically on time
from there it's just everything on cooldown, hope you can pad
get all the coins
some guilds are still holding dps which is just cancer but is what it is
restive glade
makes sense thx chef 🫡 (y’all’s advice has made me better than mediocre yippee thx)
buoyant herald
all the builds do similar prio idk where people keep getting this from
Same place that makes people swear hybrid does more boss dam
Can’t let go of KB I think
wintry trout
What ability is good to macro house of cards into? deathmark, kingsbane, or shiv?
wise plume
dm
buoyant herald
You’ll lose the buff for your last tick or two of Kb tho
spice surge
Doesnt matter
Its not dragonflight s3 anymore, the last tick of KB isnt that strong
KB during DM caps out after like 4 seconds so the last 4 or 5 ticks are all maxxed
buoyant herald
Yeah not worth the mental load
spice surge
Not worth it in sims either
buoyant herald
Fair enough
wintry trout
do just use with DM and treat it like a 2m cd?
runic hinge
KB during DM caps out after like 4 seconds so the last 4 or 5 ticks are all maxx...
4 seconds is a long time some would say that’s an above average amount of time
buoyant herald
do just use with DM and treat it like a 2m cd?
Yeah. It’s just that strong
You can ignore the 30s it sits ready
winged sun
workshop +21 sin broken??
jaunty lotus
Stop shaming Zac man
pure moth
<a:alert:1350140970968158370>workshop +21 <a:alert:1350140970968158370> sin brok...
Looks like you're broken lol
wooden radish
@winged sun Zeross sin guide when?
thin portal
winged sun
Looks like you're broken lol
nah its just premade stuff
brave comet
well i got fucked up on myth gallywax, i only purple parsed it
royal lantern
humble braging is the lamest shit in the world
runic hinge
humble braging is the lamest shit in the world
I'm gonna post my details after my fatebound 12's later wanna see?
normal mist
Yes, humble brag after too
royal lantern
I'm gonna post my details after my fatebound 12's later wanna see?
only if you say "omg i only did 2,8million more dmg then everyone else instead of 2,9 million, im actually so bad :C" with it
runic hinge
:C
cerulean nest
humble braging is the lamest shit in the world
you mean literally everyone in this channel lol
winged sun
well i got fucked up on myth gallywax, i only purple parsed it
same i fucked up i got r1 boss dmg on gallywix but not r1 all dmg fml fml fr fr ong ong
wintry trout
we use CT even in ST with bleed build correct?
balmy condor
yes
golden loom
same i fucked up i got r1 boss dmg on gallywix but not r1 all dmg fml fml fr fr ...
tell noob guild mates to go full single target and stop touching the adds
do they not care?....
loud hawk
from what time and after do we refresh our CT i know rupture and garrote is under 6
potent raven
u go trigger and do aura player buff and put in the spell id, then go to load and select the assa spec and select the hero talent
balmy condor
from what time and after do we refresh our CT i know rupture and garrote is unde...
!pd
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
loud hawk
does it apply on CT
balmy condor
yes
loud hawk
i am usally refresh it under 3 seconds
balmy condor
do your weakauras not glow automatically?
loud hawk
they do
i have edit garrote and rupture to glow from 6 and below (originally 8 it was)
ct is on 3 on default
(luxthos wa)
balmy condor
really, luxthos is that messy?
subtle tundra
whispyr i have a funny clip but its of an individual that might be upset i mention him
loud hawk
aight
because a lot of times it alligns with darkest night, and i kinda try to avoid it
toxic sparrow
Garrote for me is 5, Rupture 8 and CT 4 using Luxthos
stone gust
damn im definitely messing up my caustic splatter, i want to return back to that target and funnel into it rigtht
toxic sparrow
Right, or u can mutilate/ambush a new target and start from there
balmy condor
always want to be hitting your caustic target, which is also your marked target
vapid jacinth
would it be too much to ask blizz to keep our funnel dmg but allow us to swap targets and not worry about losing infinite damage when doing so?
balmy condor
you want CT to grant energy
autumn idol
yes.
past marten
Lmao
balmy condor
w ragebait
autumn idol
a man can dream
past marten
would it be too much to ask blizz to keep our funnel dmg but allow us to swap ta...
If you applied your ruptures with ic, it takes literally one mutilate to move your spatter
vapid jacinth
If you applied your ruptures with ic, it takes literally one mutilate to move yo...
it's not the spatter I have a problem with
past marten
And the rest is just the hero talent being shit, but that affects sub too
vapid jacinth
sub is incredibly easy to move the mark
past marten
It's easier, doesn't mean that you always want to yoink out a dance tho
loud hawk
did greater corruptions released ?
autumn idol
yes
loud hawk
do i have to take a quest or smth
balmy condor
yeah, the dragon next to the corruptions
near steeple
do i have to take a quest or smth
Ye, 1000 mementos and 8 bloods
loud hawk
near steeple
y, that one
balmy condor
ye
vestal cliff
Hello people, just a quick reminder that you guys are awesome and i love y‘all
rare jackal
457273 this is the spell id
thanks bro
vestal cliff
Its true and based
near steeple
Is hekili good for learning the buttons to play for dps? I want to try to take another 3000 for dps after tank, does the rotation change much from what's on the guides?
coral ibex
i think you should just hit a target dummy
and play the game
installing hekili will just make you follow what hekili tells you to do
loud hawk
i presonally thing doing reseach and training while playing will learn you a lot faster
because with hekill is kinda auto pilot
grim jay
we hate hekili around here
coral ibex
why would the rotation change from what is on the wowhead guide
near steeple
coral ibex
that would imply that they're putting out incorrect info right?
they work hard to put out the correct info
i mean if you want to install hekili to do +12 keys nobody is gonna stop you
grim jay
why would the rotation change from what is on the wowhead guide
he probably meant if the hekili rotation is different from the guides
coral ibex
it would be surprising if the hekili devs knew more about rogue rotation than the guide writers
grim jay
they could know less
balmy condor
hekili just pulls simc apl
grim jay
and it could be different that way
keen spruce
hekili just pulls simc apl
That does make a lot more sense than some having to manually hardcode rotation logic in an addon
Someone*
coral ibex
how does it know if you can rupture multiple targets for scent?
balmy condor
counts nameplates
near steeple
he probably meant if the hekili rotation is different from the guides
Ye, that's what i mean
loud hawk
to take black blood do i have to do all 4 missions?
near steeple
It's just that after 1.5 minutes of rotation training - running out of energy, what I'm missing I don't really understand. Putting hekili - was able to stand with addon rotation for about 4 minutes.
It's worth clarifying that gear is still not high enough, and there are not the right stats.
normal mist
if you're running out of energy, you're doing something right
normal mist
You're supposed to be running out of energy in ST
coral ibex
thats the spec design
near steeple
I do cleave rotation
coral ibex
its explained in the guide
normal mist
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
normal mist
I do cleave rotation
are you maintaining rupture on all those cleave targets?
near steeple
are you maintaining rupture on all those cleave targets?
Y, trying to get on all 5 dummys
near steeple
Yeah
normal mist
We're basically energy capped on AoE
hollow river
Y, trying to get on all 5 dummys
do you have poisons applied
near steeple
Deadly, Instant, Atrophic, Crippling
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
normal mist
you shouldnt really have instant btw, but thats not the issue
hollow river
yeah you want Amplifying+Deadly when using DTB, but that isn't the cause of the energy issues
hollow river
Deadly, Instant, Atrophic, Crippling
are you using FoK?
normal mist
Envenom isnt really important in AoE, if you're using the bleed build
hollow river
yeah you want to mutilate every ~10sec so your envenoms cleave, but still not the issue when it comes to energy right
near steeple
Using this one
hollow river
if you have multiple targets poisoned and bled, you should be drowning in energy
normal mist
that build isnt really newbie friendly
nor advised at lower levels (whatever that build is)
candid nacelle
near steeple
That one?>
normal mist
near steeple
Previous one i take from murlok
brave comet
tell noob guild mates to go full single target and stop touching the adds
you'd love that
near steeple
Okay, i see now what i miss, how i can apply rupture multi?
normal mist
after you come out of stealth
there's a time window where garrotes/ruptures will spread to 3 targets (your target +2)
brave comet
finally have this
loud hawk
W
drifting charm
are assas sims always buns? like sub 2m? or is it just my stats?
normal mist
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
drifting charm
okay - so reading it im at low low haste 3% - but 22k mast (67%) - 12500 crit (29%) - and im deathstalker
drifting charm
i do tho
west crown
okay - so reading it im at low low haste 3% - but 22k mast (67%) - 12500 crit (2...
super optimized maybe a little low on haste, but that's assuming max gear and you also have no vers
normal mist
it also doesnt really matter since your crit/mastery ratings are REALLY far apart from eachother
wise plume
its 5pm let me play nightreign already
normal mist
Also what are you simming and how much ilvl are you
balmy condor
that's a lot of secondary for not hittin 2mil
drifting charm
Also what are you simming and how much ilvl are you
lvl is 668 - only been on the char about a week
balmy condor
that would do it
balmy condor
yah but only playing it for a week
probably missing something
pisslow dagger or something
drifting charm
i got a 681 crafter and my OH is the dagger out of DFC
balmy condor
aight link the sim
balmy condor
big gratz
pliant remnant
CONGRATSSSSS
normal mist
POGGERS
kindred breach
its a lot because of all of u so tyvm really ❤️
runic hinge
np
normal mist
thats... ST sim with m+ talents
drifting charm
oh shit, that would be why....
balmy condor
drifting charm
my fault - new to the simming - which would i sim for a m+ sim?
balmy condor
dungeonslice
drifting charm
thank you guys
balmy condor
np
vague dragon
guys in single target M+ i always chin envenom or hold it to the last sec cuz the energy
balmy condor
you slam
drifting charm
<a:YEPPERS:934183530882297937>
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bqknXMR7URAhQxAEh3pXSM
yeahhh thats... more like it
vague dragon
but ill not have energy to slam do slam when have 80energy or just slam
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bqknXMR7URAhQxAEh3pXSM
yeahhh thats... m...
should be noted that the dps number it spits out at the end isn't of much concern, sim fight styles are just that, fight styles. They don't 1 to 1 reflect the game and aren't designed to do so
dungeonslice for example is 6 minutes, first 2 are a boss, next 4 are alternating small/large packs
drifting charm
yeah no thats okay - but seeign that number double just at least shows me in on the right track
balmy condor
yeah, it's got aoe so the number will skyrocket
balmy condor
but ill not have energy to slam do slam when have 80energy or just slam
just slam
you'll run out of energy
and that's fine
vague dragon
okey ty
balmy condor
we killed tuesday
hidden bay
we killed tuesday
what was that in your kill????
using second shiv 0.02 seconds too late
next kill you gotta use everything on cooldown to get another deathmark cast 
pliant remnant
227
thorn thorn
what was that in your kill????
Robot says use shiv at (time) but (player) is using it at (time), is sim bait???
static glacier
anyone cba looking at my gally log
I think im missing something, can't get orange parse
!thread
idk how to start one
hollow talon
what do we do after we get CE
static glacier
static glacier
anyone who knows make a log review thread
spice spire
Log Threadder here
thorn thorn
Good guy zac
hidden bay
thorn thorn
dawg aint no way you're log reviewing me rn
static glacier
is herp just memeing 
hidden bay
balmy condor
is herp just memeing <:kekman:1069601603860037723>
yes
static glacier
trying to figure out why im not blasting gally
balmy condor
I parsed like a 70 on kill
hidden bay
its ok, theres always space to improve
balmy condor
and now I'm getting dunked by herp for missing a deathmark cast cause I didn't full slam on cd cause of the 1min kb
and the kill time just barely technically allows for another dm
balmy condor
yeah kinda
balmy condor
add and kill time is important
thorn thorn
Warlocks are indeed disgusting
balmy condor
if you can get good dms it's like half the battle
balmy condor
I'm bricked just in general
static glacier
I'll equip eye and see about sending on cd
static glacier
just have to tell your guild to stop blasting adds
if im making people play for my log then it's worthless
not tryna be azortharion 2.0
balmy condor
I was considering getting the pacemaker back on and then slamming kb on cd
balmy condor
not tryna be azortharion 2.0
that's crazy work
static glacier
good player but making people play for your logs is giga cringe
thorn thorn
Thats how you parse
hidden bay
^
static glacier
I've been able to do it decently if I don't get giga rng screwed (this week's mug kill I got both tank soak stuns xd)
not expecting pink but just a 90+
thorn thorn
WCL did the community a service by blacklisting ads on parses
They should have continued doing that
static glacier
I don't mind if timing shiv / dn is rewarded
issue with gally is its all to do with how fast boss reaches adds
other classes can just run and aoe them
we can't
that and im fairly sure spatter isnt in range of a lot of adds later in the fight
can probably be smarter with late cloaks to pad
thorn thorn
Just the nature of the game
solar wyvern
So is there any extra tech to shadowmeld for restealth in a pull for ic/fix dsm bugs/deaths/etc?
I have a macro thats
/cast Shadowmeld
/Stopattack
/Stopattack
/Cast !Stealth
/Stopattack
But its inconsistent
Any knowers? I'm too used to being dwarf
normal mist
Getting hit with aoes the moment you press meld will put you in combat
The obvious is that it doesn't work on bosses
solar wyvern
ik that but sometimes its just doesnt go through with nothing happening to me
i thought it was bleeds at some point or i wasnt mashing hard enough but idk if thats actually the case
normal mist
You could try stop attack before melding
nova kelp
I legit just meld and stealth without a macro
spice surge
But its inconsistent
It always is
nova kelp
I don't have any issues with it? I think I used to have more when I DID macro it
runic hinge
I just mash this and it works
sometimes
more than me doing it manually but it's not perfect obvs
nova kelp
I never have any issues doing it manually. Weird things be weird I guess
It's the same thing with vanishing in solo content. I never have shit rando reset on me. But fuck knows a lot of people moan about it happening
static glacier
I am ilvl 648 and can’t solo t11s at all lol not even close
rogue isn't amazing at soloing content tbh
maybe if you were ret, dk etc
old halo
gritty laurel
little late to the party, but you should be able to solo at least some t11 delves at 648. have to run iron wire, early refresh garrotes to keep everything wired, use your defensives often, and space out brann potions though
it's touch and go, but absolutely doable
gilded oasis
@balmy condor is the pin updated
winged sun
gusty mirage
I'm bricked just in general
proof?
jaunty lotus
Go sub or outlaw, use perma tricks on Bran, set him to healer. For some reason healer bran is immortal and will tank everything.
winged sun
because
autumn idol
yes
solar eagle
heyo, sorry new here... quick question, around how much haste do we want? ive tarted gearing my rogue and all my crafties are crit/mastery and didnt know if i need a certain amount of haste. Im assuming sim but idk how to sim for specific stats
winged sun
heyo, sorry new here... quick question, around how much haste do we want? ive tarted gearing my rogue and all my crafties are crit/mastery and didnt know if i need a certain amount of haste. Im assuming sim but idk how to sim for specific stats
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
paper ibex
Hey guys, was wondering if anyone had any knowledge about logs? I logged a fight earlier and I can read the report but its not attached to my character, its not private logged either. Does anyone have any experience with this?
thorn thorn
@spice spire
spice spire
<@226508540746006528>
I just read the logs I don’t do them
thorn thorn
I just read the logs I don’t do them
Oh I misread it
I just read read and log in the same post
thorn thorn
i have been hard assigned to stay in every jail
haughty flicker
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
i was told as melee i dont need my cds to do damage
balmy condor
Hey guys, was wondering if anyone had any knowledge about logs? I logged a fight...
can you link it
thorn thorn
No RL or officer is that dumb
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
That cant be real
thorn thorn
<a:rotating_skull:1105379925034274826>
Bro
There is no way right
Nobody can be that dumb
Its literally just a brain issue
They know nothing
Why are they responsible for any decision making
winged sun
Brain issue gg time to replace brain
balmy condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b4fFBcprt7nxzNA9?fight=last
you're maryssi?
paper ibex
yes
paper ibex
its the stix kill
paper ibex
thats dumb lol
hidden bay
i have been hard assigned to stay in every jail
I am doing jails aswell, what’s the problem dog
thorn thorn
balmy condor
what is the point of stealth mode
the point of stealth mode is that guilds private log and if they don't turn on stealth mode, people can just re-upload the log under their own personal logs
thorn thorn
Private logs are cringe
balmy condor
like if someone were to leave or whatever they could just log dump every private log on their personal logs, thus making them public
so stealth mode prevents the ranking
winged sun
Private logs are cringe
I love raiding cuz of prog and logs
If its private then that kills half my purpose of raiding
thorn thorn
I just dont trust any guild instantly if they do private logs
They are trying to hide something and I want no part of it
lethal arrow
thorn thorn
lethal arrow
ill take it
balmy condor
thorn thorn
fallow canopy
<:EZ:777400318043881483>
grats
gentle belfry
Anyone have a standalone bonespike WA?
autumn idol
<:EZ:777400318043881483>
did we get the big G
lethal arrow
i did not
autumn idol
big L
crude helm
wait the IVE tag is peak
drifting charm
OH MY GOD.
ive just been watching a video trying to see what im doing wrong on the rotation - and when it clicked... wow i was making the spec so over complicated
lethal arrow
wait the IVE tag is peak
type shit
thorny fog
OH MY GOD.
ive just been watching a video trying to see what im doing wrong on...
Post vid
thorny fog
Ty!
rotund oak
Much wow. Red pots broken
yup u secure that gilded crest source much easier
thorny fog
yup u secure that gilded crest source much easier
Do you get them for each bountiful t11 a day?
drifting charm
Do you get them for each bountiful t11 a day?
Once a week I believe
rotund oak
Do you get them for each bountiful t11 a day?
3 gilded chests per week
plus the quest
drifting charm
3 gilded chests per week
Oh wait… 3?
rotund oak
so its 41 gilded
rotund oak
Oh wait… 3?
yeah its a 3 gilded chest per week limited
each chest has 7
and 20 gilded from bountiful chest
3x7=21
and 20 from bountiful
is 41 gilded crests
u only need to do 3 t11s per week to cap the gilded crests from t11s
in the 1st u activate the thingy to get the bounty thingy,clear everything
2nd u complete with the bounty
and 3rd u cap out
desert vault