when they said during DF ptr "there is too much aoe cc in the game, we need to remove some"
#assassination
royal lantern
and removed priests shining force
and at the same time addes 5 new aoe cc ability to other classes
autumn idol
laughs in plate spec + will of the necropolis + death strike + ams
thorn thorn
Reminds me of when they said raid cds were too strong and proceeded to nerf all of them and flourish got effectively deleted from the game
Then MW got released in Amirdrassil in a massively overtuned state cuz the dev for that spec clearly didnt pay attention in those meetings
midnight mulch
"we feel like AoE stops are needed so we are changing how stops work" Proceeeds to make stops even more needed
thorn thorn
More like that goofy ass change they did going into TWW
autumn idol
dude i skipped all of dragonflight
i was so confused
why was the caster casting after my blind
thorn thorn
Saying aoe stops were too strong so they made aoe stops no longer lockout spell cd on casters
autumn idol
priory wouldnt be difficult if that was the case
midnight mulch
Stops are too strong, so we are going make them stronger
autumn idol
oh the world that we could have
thorn thorn
priory wouldnt be difficult if that was the case
This was how it was in DF
humble verge
una
thorn thorn
Very goofy change
thorn thorn
Cuz now VDH and Prot pal very strong cuz they have actual kicks and silences which ignore the new rule
autumn idol
Ya
thorn thorn
You must have missed the very cursed double sigil era
When VDH got double silence and misery sigil
Cuz
Why not
autumn idol
i only know of shadow priest flory days
because my friend keeps telling me
about it
since hes a sp main
thorn thorn
Yeh shadow was part of exodia in S2
A comp of uber strong specs all enabled by augs release
All the exodia specs got nerfed hard going into S3
Shadow got its utility nerfed out of existence basically
thorn thorn
It was that way during Exodia too but it was strong enough
royal lantern
if you play priest, go healer like a normal person
thorn thorn
Shadow had this cool thing called just having a shit ton of leech
And having Aug give you tons of shields and DR
autumn idol
i mean its kinda like havoc in a sense (shitton of leech)
thorn thorn
Exodia was a very cursed time
You could scroll for pages on raiderio and find only exclusively exodia comp
Took forever to find people not using it
thorn thorn
TWW has been very different thankfully
thorn thorn
S3 of DF was terrible
autumn idol
season 1 was solidified
thorn thorn
Cuz vdh got double sigil for some reason
And they were something like 80% of the tanks in high keys
Some crazy number
Double silence sigil made them op as fuck
autumn idol
well yeah just like now
but the reason now is theyre unkillable if played well
and forgiving if played bad
thorn thorn
Partially the case in S3
It was mostly just because they could shut down large packs longer than any other tank could ever hope to do it
With aug and double sigil it was something stupid like 15+ seconds of silence time
Not including any other stops
autumn idol
i love that
buoyant herald
Funny how it got nerfed and what they’re left with is STILL better than anything else
thorn thorn
Yeppers
autumn idol
if it was regular silence it would be just another stop
thorn thorn
Meanwhile vdh has an actual silence
S3 is probably when they noticed defensive bloat started getting bad
Cuz S3 saw a lot of healerless comps in the MDI
thorn thorn
There was an everbloom that was aug, shadow, mage, destro and vdh
I forgor what kind of mage
Probably fire
Most of the healerless comps had that array of classes
winged sun
Yea fire i think
thorn thorn
I think there was one that was playing a enh instead of a destrolock
autumn idol
i mean you have pseudo healing via vampiric embrace
winged sun
Drjay’s team
thorn thorn
I might be imagining it tho
thorn thorn
i mean you have pseudo healing via vampiric embrace
Pseudo healing Aug survivability that was actually good in DF, lock being unkillable, and mass barrier
Aug survivability nowadays is a meme mostly
autumn idol
i see
winged sun
Its just mage and aug being infinitely op
thorn thorn
It deservedly got nerfed super hard
autumn idol
funny seeing aug top on bosses now
thorn thorn
Very true
thorn thorn
funny seeing aug top on bosses now
A few augs were topping dam on bosses since TWW changed them
Especially Fluup
Fluup built different
thorn thorn
Fluup was topping boss damage after aug ate its mega nerf earlier this season
And has only gotten stronger since its buffs
thorn thorn
Dev also way easier
You got Dev that is probably the easiest spec in the game in raid
then Aug that is nuclear level difficulty in raid to pump on
The only answer I have is that he just wants to flex that he can play Aug optimally 
thorn thorn
Probably
autumn idol
dont miss your shadow crasges
thorn thorn
Oh trust me I already have
Everytime I send one into the ceiling I wanna commit toaster bathtub
autumn idol
we have one friend
that sent a shadow crash randomly in aa 20 in df
that we still make fun of
never letting him ever live it down
thorn thorn
I almost played enh or outlaw but quickly realized I was not built like that
But now I play shadow
Maybe grief some keys as arcane
sullen mural
Just blame target cap and bad rng if u do low dmg on outlaw
Noone knows shit about rogue anyways so they'll just belive you
viscid light
Question, outside of cds on raid, do i need to maintain envenom buff at all times, or prio getting procs of dsm?
I dont see anything about rapid injection on the guides anymore
coral ibex
spam away
viscid light
so if envenom drops its no biggie as long as i can maintain it during kb, correct?
coral ibex
yes
viscid light
Thank you!
night void
Whaddup my fellow sin players! I got recommended to come here and ask for guidance SS (floating around 1700 currently with goal to hit 1800/1950), I do have a VOD but more so wanted to see how things work in here first. Excited to see things play out in the future especially come season 3.
balmy condor
guidance shrouded suffocation?
night void
Someone said I’ll get more than I want from you guys lol
This is my first time struggling to hit 1800 on a class but I normally heal
balmy condor
I see
real solar
and especially with 1800 and 1950 being reward tiers
balmy condor
I mean 3000 is 13's right
humble verge
i feel people gigastruggle f.exp in shuffle cause like
night void
Lmaooooo
real solar
Npnp @night void
balmy condor
I don't even know what solo shuffle is
balmy condor
checks out
night void
I don't even know what solo shuffle is
Frustration behind a 20 minute que for me currently LMFAO
balmy condor
sounds like mythic+
real solar
I don't even know what solo shuffle is
basically 3v3, but every round you switch teammates
humble verge
solo shuffle is just m+ que times
real solar
for 6 rounds
humble verge
but i feel
balmy condor
basically 3v3, but every round you switch teammates
oh that's kinda cool
humble verge
the only place where you would sense any issues queueing is at the top tier
humble verge
like when you start actually going over 12
m+ becomes que sim
i wonder if i should que up for a 16 dfc with 0 sleep
stable cove
Killed mythic gally baby
Woulda had 98 parse but died 1 min before death cuz I stood by wrong beam smh
humble verge
danube
river badger
Hi all, sorry if this seems like a dumb question. Im looking to start a rouge, and would like to be able to do 10s in M+ and maybe a touch of mythic raiding. Maybe like 2/8 by end of season. I am thinking about starting with assasination rouge, but maybe im misreading something. Do we have to constantly tab target each mob to apply our bleed from garote? or is there some way for it to be applied in mass?
balmy condor
indiscriminate carnage
runic hinge
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2413069373
I was number 6!!!
river badger
gotcha, so at most we apply to 6 mobs quickly? sorry if dumb just used to big pulls on a warrior
runic hinge
Maybe I’ll watch and learn something
humble verge
man maybe im schizo or something but my ankle is itching, but there is nothing to scratch away, and there is no visible mark that i've tore the skin off or anything - i wanna kms watafak, shits annoying as hell
restive glade
fellas after ~120 pulls we fucking got stix and a purple parse
was last 4 people killing him at 4%
balmy condor
gotcha, so at most we apply to 6 mobs quickly? sorry if dumb just used to big pu...
it's what you cast +1 so if you rupture twice it's 5 without target swapping, 6 with swapping
dawn kelp
God bless
subtle tundra
man maybe im schizo or something but my ankle is itching, but there is nothing t...
cut your leg off
gloomy heart
man maybe im schizo or something but my ankle is itching, but there is nothing t...
bite it
rotund oak
man maybe im schizo or something but my ankle is itching, but there is nothing t...
high blood sugar does that
or more like can do that
need to start exercise
(if ur ankles get swollen its an indication as well)
subtle tundra
dont give reasonable advice
recommend him urghmghmgmh
carving the skin out
errrr
burn the spot
subtle tundra
yeah proc cheat death
brisk lily
balmy condor
whatever the sim says
lyric gate
fervent fractal
do rogue players represent archtypes? Some will be sin, some will be outlaw, I wonder what the hierarchy is among rogues
iron vapor
I have no idea what you're talking about. It's a video game.
fervent fractal
there's no stereotypical assassin player?
iron vapor
Is there a stereotypical anything player?
fervent fractal
sure
fresh kelp
the stereotypes afaik are:
outlaw = adhd genz on meth
sub = brainiac thinker
assa = chill guy or drooler (most assa are chill guys)
mystic crest
near locust
Hi new ass rogue here. Can someone tell me if single target dam is shit or if it's just me
runic hinge
in keys? yeah it aint great, but not like tank level bad
near locust
in keys? yeah it aint great, but not like tank level bad
Oh...
runic hinge
very mid
runic hinge
which build are you playing, and what key level?
near locust
10-12, deathstalker
haughty flicker
definitely shouldnt be getting beat by tanks at any point
runic hinge
you would ct in st in the bleed build
@balmy condor what would make dtb better or more interesting? or why do you think it's "bad"
also blindside is more prio damage because the effect on my screen means im gonna press ambush even if it know it's wrong, thus, more prio 
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> what would make dtb better or more interesting? or why do ...
poisons aren't interesting in any way
dtb provides nothing to the spec realistically
if you just made dtb say "kingsbane stacks twice as fast"
it would have essentially the same effect\
if there were interesting poisons then like maybe it would be interesting
runic hinge
And amp poison isn’t interesting because it’s just envenom does more damage
I get it
balmy condor
but the poison choices atm are dot + shit dam and you additionally take envenom + shit dam
gg
runic hinge
true
balmy condor
for being a bleed + poison spec
there is not a lot of poison to the spec
it's more like bleed + suggestion of poison but "poison" means envenom because all the actual talents and mastery and stuff that says "poison" would be really fucking bad if it were actually just poisons so envenom needs to fit the narrative
runic hinge
auto attack simulator 
mystic crest
give it no abilities outside of the throw knife button so i can play it and maplestory on the side
runic hinge
thats just the one button rotation helper
red schooner
rework sin rogue so its only poison damage
Alchemist/poisoner class let's go
I wanna hurl potions at enemies
past marten
I wanna hurl potions at enemies
You're going to have to lob them like during the RP in DFC
red schooner
You're going to have to lob them like during the RP in DFC
This is fine
balmy condor
auto attack simulator <a:speeders:994347446337552474>
I mean just off the dome in this moment for new poisons no pre-writing
every x new poison applications give free ambush
upon 50 stacks of new poison make next finisher refund combo points
every target affected by new poison increases the damage of bleed (this is not just lethal dose you're imagining that)
every time new poison is applied, next shiv gets 1% more damage
new poison limit 1 target when bleed deals tick damage on target it pops in aoe (no it's not just bleed caustic that you can move with auto attacks, you're imagining that again)
new poison is only applied on envenom cast, doubles energy regen for 1 second
new poison is only applied on shiv for 5 seconds, increases damage of all other poisons by a billion% during effect
past marten
Class is entirely ground targeted effects
I'd be dead on the first boss mechanic
haughty flicker
Blindside poison is my favorite
red schooner
I mean just off the dome in this moment for new poisons no pre-writing
every x ...
Yeah but would you be prepared for 500 questions a day saying "I have 13% haste and echoing void corruption enchantment, what poison should I take"
balmy condor
none of it is difficult to play around or even adds gameplay, but at least it's like
fucking something
and not just "it does some damage and DTB lets you do some damage x2
haughty flicker
Poisons being impactful like this would possibly lead to pooling for envenom uptime right
balmy condor
nah
haughty flicker
Pooling so I get more blindside
subtle tundra
ok
haughty flicker
True
balmy condor
I mean even without ttk in amirdrassil pooling was like barely more than dry shiv tech
it's not really been a "core" spec mechanic for a good long while
you'd need to actually add talents that give reasons to pool
like first envenom after shiv eats all energy to deal a gajillion extra damage
or some shit
or kingsbane drains your energy to super buff itself
something like that
unless there's a stated and clear reason to be like "ah yes, I would like to have large energy for this"
pooling will not be a thing
haughty flicker
red schooner
Feral druid has that with bite, want to wait for 50 energy before you bite for more bite damage
balmy condor
with the current design the best case scenario for pooling is you avoid auto tea and then pop it on the shiv before kingsbane to get your double stack envenom buff and then you call it a day
red schooner
I like how that spec flows energy wise though, got some good peaks and dips with tigers fury
balmy condor
cause like even just how kingsbane is designed means that you don't really want energy for the entirety of it
coral ibex
"envenom deals 50% more damage if you have more than 150 energy"
who wants more envenom!!!
runic hinge
If they buff amp stacks enough would we ever pool for more stacks before envenom
balmy condor
having envenom stacks at the start of kingsbane is MUCH more impactful than halfway through or the end cause you're just straight up buffing more ticks if you apply the poisons at the start
mystic crest
delete kingsbane
balmy condor
If they buff amp stacks enough would we ever pool for more stacks before envenom
nah
I mean it depends on what buff amp stack enough means
but amp already applies to the vast majority of your envenoms
I think like 85-90% of envenoms consume amp
runic hinge
Like if it’s fully stacked it does 100% more or something
balmy condor
well that's the thing
most envenoms are already buffed
so you can't just crank tf out of the buff amount
mystic crest
revert sin back to bfa sin 3 shrouded suffocation gaming
balmy condor
like just on a regular 5 min sim, you're applying around 500 poisons, and you're envenoming 55-58 times
verbal blaze
is there a good M+ plater profile for sin rogues that makes what mob that has mark on it obvious?
balmy condor
!plater
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runic hinge
like just on a regular 5 min sim, you're applying around 500 poisons, and you're...
That’s boring then
haughty flicker
mystic crest
based
subtle tundra
I’m gonna play some fatebound keys this week for funsies
livid creek
Quick nub question. In dungeons running bleed build, is it worth maintaining Crimson tempest on a ST boss? I guessed it was, but was wondering
subtle tundra
it is correct
runic hinge
subtle tundra
only for bleed though !
livid creek
only for bleed though !
Appreciate it! 😄
haughty flicker
np
mystic crest
i think i will maintain CT on ST while not playing bleed build 
runic hinge
Np
polar rampart
imagine playing wow for fun
golden loom
hey thats me
olive hamlet
Hi
Just to be clear I'm new to rogue class and I've looked into the channel, but as Hybrid build I'm pretty much struggling with energey management on bosses during M+ and I'm wondering what should I do. I've learn rotation and prio much, but still not perfect to keep Sanguine Blades up. However I'm wondering if should I delay some rotation on bosses until KB or DM back? I cannot find anything usefull on the internet. Most top rogues feels like keep spamming, but I don't know what I'm missing.
balmy condor
you don't keep sanguine up on hybrid
olive hamlet
Ok, but still I'm pretty low on energy during boss fights
balmy condor
yes that's how the spec works, it's slow and runs out of energy
crisp drum
balmy condor
definitely need a house of cards or signet of the priory
those trinkets are depression
olive hamlet
So I should keep on burst window?
balmy condor
jastor diamond would be good too
balmy condor
So I should keep on burst window?
keep what?
olive hamlet
keep what?
I mean keep my pace slow until burst window came up with KB or DM? Cuz having low energy says to me that I'm doing something wrong, but it actually design that way? Am I understating that correctly?
balmy condor
yes
it's just slow
dm will give you a bunch of energy
you have thistle tea every minute
nothing to do about it
olive hamlet
ok gotcha
subtle tundra
you can press the buttons however many times you want
not like its gonna actually do anything more
worn geyser
to get them to do more u gotta press them harder not faster
subtle tundra
you can press my buttons hard
worn geyser
🥵
crisp drum
What does SmartMisdirect Tricks macro
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade Do?
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
winged quail
What does SmartMisdirect Tricks macro
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade Do?
When used with the corresponding weakaura it auto tricks your tank without having to select them
crisp drum
Ah okay ty
candid nacelle
till which key you guys play bleed?
balmy condor
there's a bunch of chinese logs playing bleed in 19's
so it's at least viable until 19's I guess
balmy condor
I mean I'd hope you're top 3, there's 3 dps
candid nacelle
yeah but place 3 xD
candid nacelle
nah we depleted at at Gorechop cause all of them got hooked xD
balmy condor
well then the build wasn't the issue
candid nacelle
surely not
maiden sierra
candid nacelle
team was and maybe i dont play it wright
this was my 13 dfc if u wanna look over
balmy condor
nothing against you but I very much do not wanna
m+ logs are cancer as shit
reading them is a nightmare
candid nacelle
no problem 🙂
candid nacelle
okay but i think no one is interesting checking 30min vod and tells me what i did wrong for free xD
maiden sierra
Youd be wrong
candid nacelle
😮
maiden sierra
You think why whispyr is the community leader?
He hates this job
But man does he feel superior
@balmy condor what corruption 
maiden sierra
subtle tundra
fucking miau
brazen sluice
random basic question i slept on , after shiv does it matter if u go full combo pts or 5 cps since u get the x2 charges from it?
brazen sluice
envenom and in st scenario
rotund oak
that being said u follow the 5+ rule unless u have a DN proc which u wanna finish on max cp to apply DSM
brazen sluice
that being said u follow the 5+ rule unless u have a DN proc which u wanna finis...
ik but with DN proc and shiv do u still go to full cp keeping in mind u get x2 free cp from shiv?
rotund oak
!guide
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solar wyvern
You can envenom and darkest night at 5cp+ when you have supercharger active yes
It still applies the dsm
Otherwise fire and forget with supercharger, pretty passive buff
brazen sluice
what i meant is that does it matter if u go full cps + x2 cps from supercharge , or if u go 5 or 6 cps and u get x2 from supercharge which means u have full cps , does that impact the amount of damage envenom deals?
in scenario 1 u will be at 10cps and in 2nd its max cps only
does it affects envenom dealt damage?
subtle tundra
ofc it affects envenom dealt damage
a 7cp envenom does less than a 10cp envenom
what
and the answer youre looking for
it doesnt matter
you can finish at 5 or 7 in that scenario
or 6
(unless youre doing dry shiv, in which case its 7)
misty holly
okay but i think no one is interesting checking 30min vod and tells me what i di...
The way to do it post your vod to /r/competitiveWoW and make some comments about how good you are but teammates always let you down.
People will review that vod with a fine tooth comb and point out everything for free
haughty flicker
lmao
brazen sluice
okay my english is bad but ill try to make it easier to understand my question , so if in both scenarios u have DN proc , and ur in the last 7 secs of ur big cds , in situation 1 u shiv and mutilate to full cps + the supercharged from shiv so u r at 7 which is ur full cp + 2 from super charged then u envenom , in situation 2 same shit except u shiv then u mutilate to 5 cps + 2 from superccharged so now ur equal to full cps , the 2 cps diff which are above the max cps we can have does it effect the envenom damage or DN damage? which one should we do?
brazen sluice
ahaa kk tysm if its more dmg then how come it doesnt matter?
balmy condor
because you're spending the same total amount of combo points
like if you finish on 4, you saved one mutilate that you use on the next envenom
if you finish on 7, you just moved that mutilate up to that envenom
but it's the same casts
brazen sluice
but it's the same casts
aha , okay , got another one , if u are in the last gcd of ur cds and ur @ 4 cps , do u send an envenom or still build to 5 and finish in lingering window?
brazen sluice
i see coz sometimes i was like sending an envenom inside dm or kingsbane window > trying to build the last gcd , ty anyways ❤️
balmy condor
sending an envenom on the last second of kingsbane?
brazen sluice
ye
balmy condor
what the hell would that even accomplish
nova kelp
a lot of peeps are still on that "gota stack KB" train
brazen sluice
old habit i think
balmy condor
I mean that's fine, you can be on that train but that wouldn't stack kingsbane lmao
like 99% of the time you would already have 2 stacks of envenoms buff
and even if you didn't
it's one fucking tick
how much are you seriously expecting
nova kelp
no I mean like they're not up to date with that info, they're still thinking like post df s3 changes
balmy condor
we didn't do that in s3 either
nova kelp
you know what I mean
balmy condor
I don't actually
nova kelp
that was what people were all about at the time
it didn't matter it was right or wrong
they just thought it was all that mattered
balmy condor
jamming envenom into the last 2 seconds of kingsbane has always been pointless
nova kelp
that knowledge has stuck on a lot of folks
pliant remnant
I always send Envenom at whatever combo points I have during Kingsbane, even if it's like 1 or 2 combo points
more Envenoms in Kingsbane = more damage
Simple math really
brazen sluice
more Envenoms in Kingsbane = more damage
welcome to the train
haughty flicker
nova kelp
lol peeps have made you so madface lately whispyr
I wish I could fix your interwebs my dude
red schooner
lol peeps have made you so madface lately whispyr
I wish I could fix your interw...
Corruptions will do that to a man
nova kelp
HAHAHAHAHA
red schooner
Just wait for the belt questions to start
brazen sluice
my real struggle which makes me wanna jump and idk how ppl handle it , in the long fights im talking like 7-8mins , sometimes mid cds i dont have the energy to even send an envenom
nova kelp
bug city as well
balmy condor
they added mini-seasons to seasons to keep people on the fomo grind
golden loom
my real struggle which makes me wanna jump and idk how ppl handle it , in the lo...
well if u have envenom buff running who cares
lusty kraken
this expansion made assa rogue good in m+ though
balmy condor
it's just shit man
balmy condor
this expansion made assa rogue good in m+ though
w ragebait
nova kelp
dude, actually though, WHEN did we first KNOW about the increased upgrade track thing?
I swear that shit just like jumpscared me
lusty kraken
dude, actually though, WHEN did we first KNOW about the increased upgrade track ...
ever since they announced it
balmy condor
it was like 3 weeks prior
nova kelp
I was like all about my raid logging prog, and then suddenly the game was like "nah you gota do like a billion keys man"
bro
fuck you
balmy condor
yeah just go get another 400 gilded crests and 4500 valorstones man
what's the big deal
it's not like you have to log in and get your raid rep already
nova kelp
it jumped out at me like a horror villian that I didn't double tap
balmy condor
and it's not like we're all logging in like 3x a week to raid
idk I don't get it
who are they appealing to with turbo or the belt or the circlet
the casuals won't care, if their season is over their season is over and they're checked out
nova kelp
it's the grind, gota get on that hamster wheel
red schooner
Or the visions for the head enchant you gotta do (I mean it's 2% it ain't essential but it ain't worth incurring the wrath of my raid leader)
balmy condor
like I get that it's upping their numbers, they wouldn't do it if it wasn't improving some bottom line metric
but I don't understand the demographic
the casuals don't give a shit and the hardcore are telling blizzard to go fuck themselves
misty holly
Some people just like having things to do. It's fun to get stronger.
balmy condor
who is this benefitting
nova kelp
I remember back in the alpha beta test servers and interviews they were doing as we headed into shadowlands
there was one interview where they mentioned that the metric they cared about was "fun"
which sounded good at first, until you realised that their measurement of that metric was "hours engaged"
balmy condor
Some people just like having things to do. It's fun to get stronger.
yeah, that's why they added artifact power in legion
and people hated grinding that
which is why they took it out
nova kelp
so they just did a change process on "grinding" that changed the terminology to "fun"
red schooner
I'm at least able to raid log this season, until the belt releases
And then I have to do that
subtle tundra
i love stage 8 brain aids from this chat
balmy condor
varas I've reached the point in the expansion where I realize world of warcraft is a shit game
what do I do
red schooner
Take over the server and make it a maplestory server
hollow talon
I remember back in the alpha beta test servers and interviews they were doing as...
Shadowlands was heavy on that with the covenants and the gem system in sanctum
nova kelp
I mean, it's true, but at the same time, I still love the game, that doesn't mean that you have to agree with the idea that it treats you well as a player
hollow talon
That was awful
balmy condor
I just want a season to be over for once
subtle tundra
varas I've reached the point in the expansion where I realize world of warcraft ...
i dunno ive quit
balmy condor
can't I just get my 3k mount and my CE and take a break
red schooner
He's free
subtle tundra
but it has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the game
nova kelp
to be fair, they have a long and storied history with seasons/expacs that "rot"
so the current day intent is to constantly have you playing some form of content
to keep you content
subtle tundra
i stopped liking to play the game in shadowlands fated tbh
but i do enjoy the raiding/m+ with a team
just cant afford the time for it anymore
hollow talon
I mean you could do that after CE but I guess we'd be behind for next season if you didn't get belt etc
nova kelp
prior to slands I was the "alt guy" I always had a bunch of characters all super worked on
slands absolutely slaughtered that guy
I became a main only guy
every other character I level is just for farming shit
subtle tundra
back in the day id log in to play the game
find something to do, i didnt need to be handfed content
nova kelp
I play hard to be able to attain raid logging asap now
balmy condor
I mean you could do that after CE but I guess we'd be behind for next season if ...
circlet is only gonna be used in heroic don't worry - Blizzard, lying, heavily
nova kelp
I love raiding with da bois
haughty flicker
subtle tundra
maybe i just grew up
cant wait to play elden ring with kevin
i cant fucking wait
golden loom
u got a 3 man squad?
subtle tundra
yes!
nova kelp
circlet is only gonna be used in heroic don't worry - Blizzard, lying, heavily
lol I had a tinfoil theory that it's why they gave us the extra ilvls - to try and bury the ring once and for all
haughty flicker
I mean they could've just nerfed the ring again at any time
subtle tundra
u got a 3 man squad?
i heard the game is wildly unbalanced for solo so..
golden loom
I heard its kinda bad solo and I dont think I would play more than a few hours with friends so probably not gonna buy it
haughty flicker
The extra ilvls are solely to drive up engagement numbers
nova kelp
you can do solo fine if you're adept at souls games
subtle tundra
I heard its kinda bad solo and I dont think I would play more than a few hours w...
dont need to buy it now though
100% will get tweaked
for solo players
and get 2 man
golden loom
you can do solo fine if you're adept at souls games
yeah but it doesnt seem as appealing as normal soul games
nova kelp
I wish I had a 3 man squad, but at the same time I wish I had it for destiny
nova kelp
yeah but it doesnt seem as appealing as normal soul games
this, is very true
golden loom
im about to finish Jedi Survivor and then probaby gonna replay sekiro
haughty flicker
Ngl I'm not even remotely interested in nightreign
nova kelp
sekiro is god tier
subtle tundra
one of my favorite games is risk of rain 2, but multiplayer never solo
nova kelp
lies of p is god tier
subtle tundra
so another roguelike to play with the friends is awesome
golden loom
yeah same
golden loom
im just waiting for bloodborne PC 
haughty flicker
im just waiting for bloodborne PC <:dead:932888396316155934>
Real
nova kelp
im just waiting for bloodborne PC <:dead:932888396316155934>
we don't talk about this, every time someone brings it up all the video game journalist outlets put a thousand articles out about the most fucking non existent reason that it's still happening
just know that it will never happen, KNOW it
that way if it does one day, you'll cry tears of happiness
if it doesn't no harm
golden loom
its kinda crazy that I have not that many hours on all the soul games (except elden ring which I have a lot on), but I just consume so much souls content on youtube
like playing through sekiro was like 25 hours but I have probably spent double that on watching sekiro sigma cold edits
nova kelp
LOL
subtle tundra
like playing through sekiro was like 25 hours but I have probably spent double t...
?!?!
i should play sekiro if its 25 hours only
i was at like 80 with elden ring
and got sick of it at around 50
nova kelp
I mean... you can get through any of the souls games in the blink of an eye if you want to
golden loom
I think my first elden ring playthrough was 100 hours
haughty flicker
I need to go back and finish sekiro
subtle tundra
I mean... you can get through any of the souls games in the blink of an eye if y...
i was doing like all the content, every dungeon every boss
haughty flicker
I got to the second to last boss and my controller broke so I stopped playing
golden loom
Dark souls 3 was like 30 hours
haughty flicker
And never went back to finish it
subtle tundra
i should buy a controller though
nova kelp
i was doing like all the content, every dungeon every boss
yeah, I do a lot of speed running for fun on souls games
subtle tundra
maybe the game is better on controller
golden loom
wait you played on keyboard
subtle tundra
golden loom
ah hell nahhh
subtle tundra
ive never owned a controller
golden loom
yeah its not close
nova kelp
I think the last time I was playing sekiro we had the runs down to like 32 mins
but they're down to like 18 mins now
golden loom
yeah, I do a lot of speed running for fun on souls games
I learned the start of the elden ring speed run start but then my old pc kinda broke down so stopped attempts
but I played a shit ton of randomizers
nova kelp
BRO randomizers can get so fucking hectic
I liked the "every enemy is a sniper shrimp" mod
golden loom
Key item randomizers and the 2nd half of the rold medallion was in a chest I thought I had checked
nova kelp
that and I like to replace elden beast with thomas the tank engine
golden loom
problem with a year old randomizer save is that theres no way I could start it with the same settings cause thats on my old pc
bricked run..
nova kelp
my favourite runs now though are bingo card runs, or running convergence
next dust
Was it hard ?
sharp viper
rexxar trucks
all other zone bosses tickle but rexxar and companions just destroy my hp
winged quail
Finally found a combination of gems and enchants that makes a crafted ring sim more than circlet, I'm free
(+300 dps !!!!)
ilvl number go up very nice
red schooner
It's in the margin of error but also, fuck circlet
winged quail
Yeah it's margin or error but less rng and more stamina so fk it ditching this shit ring
winged quail
all other zone bosses tickle but rexxar and companions just destroy my hp
I just waited for Evasion and zerged him on 8 mask, he hurts too much to keep fighting
manic quartz
sheesh, how many tries?
maiden sierra
It's in the margin of error but also, fuck circlet
stamina go brrr
i changed circlet to a myth track ring for a -300dps
gained 500k hp
giga worth
winged quail
once I started skipping 90% of the packs in Rexxar's zone it got a bit easier on 8 masks
sacred schooner
how? they have true sight
winged quail
you can run round the right
celest ruin
Yeah that area is crazy idk what they smoked when designing that part
trail scarab
is it generally best to buy the ring for the raid tokens for m+?
subtle tundra
i changed circlet to a myth track ring for a -300dps
eergh if it was 300 dps on sim then you didnt actually lose any dps
strange python
i have been trying to make a viable single-target burst assa crit spec for pvp, and have had mixed results
i don't really find aoe bleeds and constant pressure a fun playstyle. i like big crits, like we used to have. i want a single-target burst playstyle.
is there any hope?
subtle tundra
i cant help you with your issue, but i know discussing this in here is hopeless
the pvp people are in #pvp
nova aspen
compact jasper
Sorry if this is a dumb of FA question but, does venomous wounds proc several times if you have more than one poison, and/or multiple non-/lethal poisons? i.e. does it synergize with dragon-tempered blades because DTB increases the amount of energy gained? or is it always just 8 energy regardless of how many poisons are on a target?
spice surge
It does not get doubled no
Its 8 per bleed tick regardless
(or well, rupture and garrote, not CT)
compact jasper
Okay, that makes it kind of a useless talent for overworld then I guess.
limber lion
The appeal of DTB comes from other things, like the synergy with Kingsbane
Just run the bleed build in outdoor content, Sudden Demise is kind of silly.
compact jasper
I use the Starter Build which gives me Kingsbane and DTB. But that doesn't sound like it's made for overworld at all given the lengthy single target effect cooldowns.
Sudden Demise sounds so damn cool on top of being practical and not having a cooldown
potent raven
ivory gust
WTHelly
static glacier
whispyr cooking with this one
misty holly
23% drop chance not bad. Should drop pretty quickly.
misty holly
I'm hoping they bring M+ style content to raids next expansion.
Imagine clearing mythic raid with a timer and weekly affixes
obtuse robin
turbo boost s2 D:
normal mist
WTHelly
Besides that random thing, please don't look at that page overall besides trinkets
And maybe embellishments. Maybe.
dawn meteor
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
gusty mirage
WTHelly
As a former guide writer (for IV not wowhead), no guide writer actually wants to make BIS pages but unfortunately people search for them and we’re forced to. So for the content specific BIS lists, you kinda just slap whatever looks decent from the raid loot tables. The overall BIS one is slightly more useful in that it’s usually the profile we submit to simc
Ad revenue funds these sites so unfortunately you have to cater the content around making sure you drive traffic
fresh kelp
As a former guide writer (for IV not wowhead), no guide writer actually wants to...
I think he’s talking about the fact that it’s 733 ilvl
gusty mirage
Oh
fresh kelp
Not on the choice of item
gusty mirage
That’s just wowhead’s database
That +1 luck forcing you to always front flip as nelf is at least worth 100 ilvl
spice spire
True
gusty mirage
I miss wanting to live
You should always want to live, because people love you
You matter and your presence impacts all of us
grim jay
glacial slate
Hey guys, is it worth crafting two daggers if you're not likely to get myth track weapons for ages?
spice spire
You should always want to live, because people love you
They’re dumb for thst
spice spire
Hey guys, is it worth crafting two daggers if you're not likely to get myth trac...
Offhand is the lowest prio craft. If you have literally nothing else aure
Main hand is a top prio tho
glacial slate
ok ty 🙂
royal lantern
That +1 luck forcing you to always front flip as nelf is at least worth 100 ilvl
bro if worgen still had a backflip instead of frontflip
it would be worth 300ilvl
gusty mirage
bro if worgen still had a backflip instead of frontflip
I wish the +1 luck would stop sub rogues from crying, even after an inadvertent 10% aura buff they’re still complaining about assa
royal lantern
ngl
like, i get it
sub is often done dirty
very often
but it feels a bit weird reading SUB IS NEVER ALLOWED TO BE GOOD ITS ALWAYS ASSA
gusty mirage
It was legitimate the best spec all of dragon flight lmao
royal lantern
when sub was the raid spec for almost 2 full expansions lol
like, zac said it himself
started in SL-> sub always the prog spec since he started the game
gusty mirage
Assa got quickly nuked every time it was head and shoulders above the other two specs
I get sub was neglected and their tree and some capstones are atrocious (hi goremaw)
But god damn
spice spire
That’s acting like any rogue spec is GIGA good this tier in raid.
In keys v different
royal lantern
but why cant wow players be normal with anything, and "its not that great right now" immediatly turns ino "its NEVER allowed to be good and is ALWAYS bad!!!"
royal lantern
Because rogues love to bitch
*Gamers love to bitch
gusty mirage
Yeah but rogues do it diffy
Like guy complaining he has to play sub because he raids in hof levels
royal lantern
play destiny (pls dont) and you will see a level of bitching that makes wow a different universe
gusty mirage
The man was the most vocal person for assa nerfs in 10.0
Then after it got destroyed he was like well they went too far
Love him tho
royal lantern
titans literally the best class in the game in every single form of content, world first stuff is done with titan class stacking, pvp got multiple changes because of titan stacking, literally all raids get solved by titan stacking for like 4 years now
gusty mirage
Foreverman’s the goat
royal lantern
the last boss of a raid had titan not as the best class->literally everywhere a endless spamm of "BUNGIE HATES TITAN SO MUCH OMG"
it makes WoW players look like reasonable people
pliant remnant
There is not a single Destiny player in existence who doesn't also main rogue in WoW
It's all rogues
golden loom
is sub rogue in MoP fun
royal lantern
There is not a single Destiny player in existence who doesn't also main rogue in...
you need to be very dumb to play both things, so yeha
golden loom
I am debating what to play for MoP classic..
royal lantern
is sub rogue in MoP fun
eh, its MoP classes, most of them where very meh
gusty mirage
I am debating what to play for MoP classic..
Warlock
gusty mirage
The OG metamorph
twin bay
filleer casts while moving i member
gusty mirage
Before DH stole it from them
golden loom
idk I just watcched a willE video on all the classes and he said sub rogue is the best rogue spec over mop so thought I might give it a shot
twin bay
wl was fun
gusty mirage
Along with our smoke bomb
Yeah demo lock in mop was peak gameplay from what I remember
Like it was super sick
royal lantern
Warlock
OMG MOP CLASSES ARE THE BEST ITS SO MUCH FUN ITS PEAK DESING OMG mfs when you ask them to bring up another class besides warlock (and warlock was "fun" because it was the most broken class in the games history and people love being op lmao)
gusty mirage
OMG MOP CLASSES ARE THE BEST ITS SO MUCH FUN ITS PEAK DESING OMG mfs when you as...
Well in their defense
Blizzard spent all of wod telling people to not play demo lock
royal lantern
idk why that was such a issue tbh?
spec was half finished, people knew it was half finished, and blizz said "yeha dont play it we do a full revamp in legion"
and lets be real, demolock being a spec about summoning hordes of demons is way better then "warcraft3DemonHunter.JPG that spams bolts with high dmg"
golden loom
not knowing anything that sounds like destro
gusty mirage
Destro didn’t get to turn into a giant demon
That was giga tanky, super mobile, and did a fuckton of damage
Demo in MOP was actually so broken
royal lantern
That was giga tanky, super mobile, and did a fuckton of damage
man i wonder why people say it was "fun and peak gameplay"
gusty mirage
I mean big numbers make dopamine go brrrrrrrr
golden loom
was it KJs cunning or whatever that made them able to cast while moving
cause that does sound fun
royal lantern
yes
gusty mirage
man i wonder why people say it was "fun and peak gameplay"
Let’s not forget how oppressive rdruid and frost mage were in arenas
royal lantern
it was broken as hell
polar cape
Getting taunt with symbiosis was peak
gusty mirage
Yep, mop was a different time
Feral/hpal was silly too
Because it gave feral bubble lmao
royal lantern
wtf 3 min cheat death cd?
thats not 3min, thats 1 1/2 min
royal lantern
oh and its 10% instead of 7% aswell
golden loom
wtf I cant do math...
fresh kelp
Cloak is 1 min in mop too
golden loom
think it will release with a nerfed version of burst of speed tho sadly
golden loom
cause MoP classic will release with final patch tuning like all the other classic versions
royal lantern
@golden loom but to be serious
you know how people sometimes cry about "class homogenisation"?
MoP was the absolute pinnacle of that
gusty mirage
Except ww
royal lantern
everyone could do everything to the point where most things where just recolors of eachother
gusty mirage
Was it brew or ww that was dogshit in mop
polar cape
Ww
golden loom
yeah idk I have never played it and some irl friends want to play it so I am probably gonna play
depends what else releases during the same time
and also I have to level on cata... puke
polar cape
I tink even towards the end brew was very mid
gusty mirage
I know mw got its fair share of nerfs too
earnest remnant
i played WW in arena quite alot
golden loom
maybe I didnt give it enough of a shot but cata feels shit
earnest remnant
classic wows
gusty mirage
Like real cata
fresh kelp
Cata classic was very fun (as mage)
fallow canopy
the amount of qol in retail is kinda insane
golden loom
well I started with classic and went to retail after so I still love classic
gusty mirage
until WoD
Hear me out, wod classic, but they implement all the abandoned content they had planned
golden loom
but cata feels like a weird middleground
earnest remnant
Hear me out, wod classic, but they implement all the abandoned content they had ...
would be the best expansion ever
gusty mirage
Sub was a real giga burst spec
Combat daggers
Man
1 minute dance, if you fucked up dance you did healer DPS
polar cape
We had that weird ass cd too
earnest remnant
shadow reflection
polar cape
Shadow reflection or something
red schooner
Hear me out, wod classic, but they implement all the abandoned content they had ...
WoD version of SoD would be neat. Warlords of Discovery.
earnest remnant
ToTM on steroids (when it worked)
royal lantern
but cata feels like a weird middleground
its like stealthi said tbh, the "modern wow" you are used to started more like in WoD
gusty mirage
its like stealthi said tbh, the "modern wow" you are used to started more like i...
They started in classic
twin bay
soul capasator trinket
golden loom
yeah but I tried cata after retail
twin bay
aaw baby
earnest remnant
classic wow and retail are basically two sep games
marble hemlock
ye but subrogue gameplay in cata was peak
earnest remnant
(it had nothing to do with me having the legendary daggers)
gusty mirage
What was the thing that healed you
earnest remnant
ye but subrogue gameplay in cata was peak
wouldnt call it peak, but it def was interesting
marble hemlock
who cares about daggies, did you have the trash-trinket?
golden loom
recoup?
gusty mirage
That let you sit on middle platform in throne
red schooner
What was the thing that healed you
Recuperate?
earnest remnant
What was the thing that healed you
Recuperate
marble hemlock
what was it called? vial of smth?
earnest remnant
yeh
sub was a full maintenance spec
outside of major cds
evis being a last priority filler
was smthing else
golden loom
expose armor? ⏸️
polar cape
Then ultraxion pulled up and makes you question life cause positional requirement
misty holly
OMG MOP CLASSES ARE THE BEST ITS SO MUCH FUN ITS PEAK DESING OMG mfs when you as...
Burst of Speed, Recuperator? Rogues never been as good soloing as they were in MoP
fallow canopy
https://i.imgur.com/HPCdKnU.jpeg
outlaw mastery before it was(n't) cool
marble hemlock
evis being a last priority filler
snapshotting hemo crits for the bleed during Find weakness 
marble hemlock
cata/mop trinkets were very consistent
basically just had an inner cooldown but once that wsa over, it procced
so you purposefully delayed your CDs/deep insight on combat for the trinket procs, etc.
cuz you knew exactly when theyd happen
golden loom
does sound kinda neat
south thistle
Hi guys, im big noob in this class. For raid ST the stat prio is still like mastery>crit>haste blabla?
pure moth
Hi guys, im big noob in this class. For raid ST the stat prio is still like mast...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
thorn oxide
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
golden plover
Hey guys! Could somebody explain, why almost nobody is playing Subterfuge + Without a trace anymore in M+? I havent played for 7 months, and aoe openers just feel so aweful to me, when i go for supercharger + Forced induction. I also see no improved Garrotes anymore. I feel like i didnt understand what changed since S1.
gusty mirage
They’re sacrificing for more single target/prio damage
Unless you’re doing high keys it’s not recommended to play that build
worn panther
You do use both
Prolly you're looking at Cleave logs that are sacrificing tons of AoE for ST dmg
Cleave and Hybrid only useful if You are into +16-7 territory
Where doing 1M St will just not cut it
golden plover
i just checked murloc tbh, theres almost no one using subterfuge anymore. Might be the wrong place to check but im clueless 😄
worn panther
Yeah that's cleave build xd
gusty mirage
Yeah if you play that on anything less than a 16 or 17 you’re going to have a really bad time tbh
golden plover
im in the +10 range rn, would you recommend going for subterfuge in that case?
worn panther
Go check Bleed build videos and forget
gusty mirage
If you’re blasting 10s-14s range you just copy the bleed build from wowhead and just blast
Way more straight forward and super fun tbh
golden plover
youre the best guys, tysm!
worn panther
Hybrid if You really want to relive S1 season and click Kingsbane I guess
golden plover
i loved that style the most. opener feels so nice
golden plover
xD hell yeah
worn panther
Make sure you play with a warrior to steal all their execute damage
Make sure to always queue up with another Sin and play the cute Game of who has more Mastery for Sudden Demise
One will rise
The other one will ragequit and leave the key
waxen oyster
bleed does more like 1.6-1.7 st
subtle tundra
blablabla bla bla blaaaaa
fallow canopy
blablabla bla bla blaaaaa
meow
worn panther
Yeah downplaying it a little bit
But every 9 of 10 keys I go to the BOSS with Zero teas, Mark on CD, wp venoms about to expire and tank on chainpulling good fiesta
waxen oyster
why are your poisons about to expire
indigo sphinx
Make sure you play with a warrior to steal all their execute damage
@stuck knoll 
stuck knoll
waxen oyster
also chains are technically good unless its the 1-5% single mob chain
worn panther
also chains are technically good unless its the 1-5% single mob chain
May god hear ya
Cuz I only get the latter kind
Feels like they still have traumas from like, Bfa Spriests
worn panther
why are your poisons about to expire
Skill Issue xD
Makes me wanna give Kezan trinket a try again
waxen oyster
idk point is you just bitch at them
till they stop
i dont think i've even seen a tank do 1.5m on a boss st
except some really really good prot wars
spice spire
Was gonna say that’s a Pwar
waxen oyster
spice spire
“Having issues with threat?”
No, I am not it is quite easy to get threat here actually
This was a motherlode
waxen oyster
need a hero funhouse lens
gusty mirage
Pugged a ML and these dps could not stop pulling shit from miles away
Love that for you king
spice spire
I’m not doing that
gusty mirage
You gonna come DPS some oxipal keys?
gusty mirage
I need to crest farm so I can craft a shield
spice spire
I don’t even have tome yet
waxen oyster
main reason to do priory
rotund oak
Pugged a ML and these dps could not stop pulling shit from miles away
who's foss and who's chasey
spice spire
@slim pebble And chasey is a shaman in my guild funny guy
slim pebble
<@588545638074155018> And chasey is a shaman in my guild funny guy
I’m gonna kiss you on the mouth
spice spire
Hot
rotund oak
trail scarab
bit late to the party - started season 2 now. just wondered if its worth going 2/2 s1 and s2 tier? tried looking at wowhead but just says replace asap
idle loom
hello, fellow rogues. during a M+ pull pack pull if garrote/rupture start to run out does it make more sense to individually reapply the bleeds or vanish for indiscriminate carnage.
trail scarab
ok thanks :D will just slap it on then
rotund oak
hello, fellow rogues. during a M+ pull pack pull if garrote/rupture start to run...
its up to u,need to calculate if its actually worth or keep
quantity and how much time it will take to kill are the main factors here
unless ofc u are following a specific route and u have to hold cds
idle loom
quantity and how much time it will take to kill are the main factors here
understood
winged sun
my dps breakdown in priory, do with it as you will
waxen oyster
and its 70% to menial laborer
waxen oyster
I dont think i’ve ever done that boss
with another class that didnt do more damage to the laborers
than boss
gilded bronze
am I supposed to tabtarget to dot in m+ with Indiscriminate carnage?