#assassination

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lyric gate
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mr clever

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holy shit are you annoying

runic hinge
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It’s like .1 either way just pick one

wicked valve
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What don't you like? I feel like sins the best it's ever felt. Boring hero talents but damage is there

sullen mural
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Them removing more and more buttons you press yourself and just adding them to be auto done

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But im in the minority with it so dw

wicked valve
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? It was just slice and dice, right? And I guess thistle tea which is an odd choice.

sullen mural
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and echoing

wicked valve
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Forgot about that one. But that always felt like a useless filler to me.

turbid harbor
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10.2 assa was sick imo

sullen mural
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Yeah as said im probably in the minority

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but like

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theres nothing to press anymore

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its kinda boring

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Low skill expression cuz its just kinda rng dmg wise if you crit

normal mist
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hasnt it been like that since ever?

sullen mural
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yeah it has

normal mist
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the guy that crits 1 more time wins

sullen mural
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but its going more into that direction

normal mist
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its been like that since classic

sullen mural
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cuz u dont have to press snd and echoing and tea anymore on your own

wicked valve
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I mainly M+, and I get giggles when I top the FOTM classes. Long live crimson tempest.

normal mist
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snd its a shitty button

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echoing was actually good i loved it

turbid harbor
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Was Kingsbane crit rng before

normal mist
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and tea you dont really care about it

sullen mural
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Yeah

turbid harbor
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But I still preferred it by a lot

waxen oyster
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ER is technically new to assa

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as of DF

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you never played kyrian sin in SL

normal mist
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"yes" you're right

waxen oyster
sullen mural
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As said its just a personal thing

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i prefer more buttons

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than less buttons

normal mist
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but i loved echoing really

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matching the CPs

wicked valve
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Let's get rid of sub, make ot a tank or healer or ranged dps spec.

waxen oyster
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Yeah not sure why they removed it

sullen mural
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but oh well

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I do agree snd was a shitty button never said it wasnt

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i just prefered more things to press SmogeRain

wicked valve
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Outlaw has tons of buttons to press of you're lookin for APM!

sullen mural
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I am playing outlaw in keys since some weeks

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Just cant raid on it for shit so

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stuck on assa cuz noone plays rogue so hard to recruit

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bte rng outlaw also not the most fun but hey

lyric gate
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anyone of the good rogues finally can answer what enchant sims the highest

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or gimme the sheet to sim it 😄

sullen mural
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just sim it man

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What sheet do you need

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its in raidbots

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just press the enchant

lyric gate
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oh lol i didnt know

sullen mural
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and press sim

lyric gate
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you hadf to use advanced before

normal mist
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Churki why you like this

wicked valve
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Lol, chuck crashing out over a potential .1 percent dps boost.

waxen oyster
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double haste weapon enchant

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obviously

lyric gate
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mongoose back ?

normal mist
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yes

lyric gate
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im talking about corruptions for head

normal mist
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also yes

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mine's corrupted alright

wicked valve
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You're corrupt in the head.

lyric gate
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thats true

rotund oak
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🗡️

lyric gate
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its not on raidbots

little tulip
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okay but

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when shouldn't you use deathmark in keys

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mob at 50%?

normal mist
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we wrote at the same time xD

rotund oak
lyric gate
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bro is playing rp on rogue discord

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and try to insult me

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when i was just asking a legit question

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so it hit the right person

normal mist
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"try" then it means he couldn't do it

lyric gate
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couldnt bother less im just looking for that advanced sim shit xd

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but im fried cant find it

normal mist
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try the TC channels

lyric gate
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😦

normal mist
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i really can't help with that, im way too casual to care about that

brave comet
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can you use shadowstep on gallywax in P2 when he's in the center of the arena?

lyric gate
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oh i find it

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in my browser history

subtle tundra
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corruptions are so irrelevant i sure hope nobody did anything advanced to sim it

lyric gate
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for anyone who wants to sim it

runic hinge
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I’m playing void ritual cause it’s stats and I don’t have to worry about it pulling extra mobs

unreal tide
haughty flicker
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you can literally just sim it in top gear

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what are we doing

lyric gate
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lol i didnt saw it

normal mist
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Corruption is indeed fucking churki up

lyric gate
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you right lol

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lost my sanity

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farming it

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icant

normal mist
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you good homie

waxen oyster
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tdev is the only corruption i can pull extra shit with

normal mist
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take care of yourself

waxen oyster
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and gaslight the group into blaming the arcane mage

subtle tundra
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miau miau miau

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i cant wait for this whole corruption madness to repeat for the belt

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great for whispyr

haughty flicker
golden loom
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Meow (me when I sim corruptions and they are all the same)

lyric gate
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will belt have also corruption spot

subtle tundra
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it has things to select from i believe

lyric gate
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are we going back to gushing wound doing 90% of the damage

subtle tundra
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i thonk

golden loom
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Gushing does like 2%

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Like the others

lyric gate
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y but wasnt in bfa

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doing it all oif the damage

golden loom
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Idk im not old

lyric gate
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didnt played there i only watched some pvp

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and i was sure it did like all the damage

subtle tundra
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it wasnt doing 90%

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lol

golden loom
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Also didnt every gear slot have corruptions at that point or smthin

lyric gate
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i hope we have to farm artifact power for the belt

waxen oyster
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you were able to attach corruptions

lyric gate
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so i have something to do

waxen oyster
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to slots that werent trinkets

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there was a threshold of corruption you didnt want to hit otherwise too many debuffs

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unless you were a mage or bm hunter

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getting chased by a rng spawn that did like half your hp if it touched you omegalul

lyric gate
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still not 2.6 mill dps

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need to change race

waxen oyster
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peak comedy was that pvp trinket that increased people's corruption for standing in the circle you dropped garf

lyric gate
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scam

waxen oyster
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and cc that breaks on damage didnt slow it down at all

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So you could sap someone 3x while they were standing in 3 of the circles

runic hinge
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corruptions killed me in pvp so often

waxen oyster
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nah it got SO degenerate rogue mage teams would fr just

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sap you 3x

runic hinge
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like every time i got kidney'ed i'd have the fucking eye pop up so im getting double blasted

waxen oyster
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into blind

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just to keep you in the spite circles

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Then kidney

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then half cheapshot

native turret
waxen oyster
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pretty sure some locks at the highend played goblin

lyric gate
waxen oyster
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because there was a 90% slow attached to envenoms via the honor talent

native turret
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imagine if it was

lyric gate
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cant crit

native turret
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ik

last skiff
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IM FREE

lyric gate
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mastery on rings better then crit ?

last skiff
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depend your sim

hidden bay
zinc vale
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is gushing wound way to go for sin rogue in raid ?

lyric gate
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i picked void ritual

zinc vale
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i had void ritual aswell

worn geyser
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i went void too

zinc vale
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but every top 3 rogues in logs are using gushing

last skiff
lyric gate
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on what log

last skiff
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!pin

zinc vale
fallow canopy
normal mist
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Like those matter

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right

haughty flicker
normal mist
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(its probably a good choice)

last skiff
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they are all close but look the pinnnnnnsssssss

normal mist
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make me

last skiff
normal mist
shy axle
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how do i need to time cos for umin soak on mugzee to not get the debuff?

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thought just <1 sec but still got it with cloak on cd

spice spire
normal mist
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make me

lyric gate
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why the fuck nob ody plays precision ?

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im fried or what

zinc vale
lyric gate
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has to be a bug or not ?

rotund oak
lyric gate
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they really play tiny toxic balde

earnest remnant
lyric gate
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ah i see the talent only gives bleed damage

shy axle
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okay thank you

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whats the imun soak good for then?

earnest remnant
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Its for p2

waxen oyster
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any ring that doesnt have crit on it is a loss for me

earnest remnant
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You set it up so only certain people Can be the target of it

shy axle
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i thought it had something to do with the debuff, like "not having it" makes you the target

earnest remnant
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It does function like that

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But for the overlap in p2 cages are out at the same time

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So you want it to go on specific people so you Can still soak it

last skiff
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fuck cyrcé

shy axle
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ok thank you for explaining it

waxen oyster
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damn only 2.1 in st sim?

last skiff
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I won 500k HOLY

waxen oyster
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wait that gear actually giga

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richard neck and sprocket back

tacit hedge
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For bleed build is the opener for super big pulls always the same (Like half the room at the start of Cinderbrew)? Ambush -> Garrote -> Rupture -> Rupture -> Garrote -> Garrote -> CT -> Mutilate -> Big cooldowns

last skiff
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back

waxen oyster
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You dinared a back?

last skiff
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xD

waxen oyster
worn geyser
last skiff
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I did get the two trinkets in vault so

worn geyser
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cause you wanna hopefully get ruptures on the muscles and not small guys, and if u dont mouse over then unlucky

waxen oyster
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Yeah i mean as sin you really just need ig

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jastor, maybe hoc if you plan to multi

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or mess with stats more

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and kezan is kinda meh unless you really care about it just being good for gally

last skiff
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I dont think I will play anymore when gally dead, so dinar back is fine

waxen oyster
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ima buy a capo to never play outlaw

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richard neck we almost never see

tacit hedge
worn geyser
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the patrons die in a few seconds and a lot of the rupture value is wasted versus getting it on the muscles

waxen oyster
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i mean technically you dont "lose" value?

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since SD is a thing

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but yeah spattering probably more damage on giant groups

tacit hedge
worn geyser
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i mean its losing value in terms of speeding up your clear of the dungeon

waxen oyster
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Like you get more/meaingful damage utilizing envenoms for spatters etc

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on gigapull

worn geyser
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i mean sure but rupture damage on the muscle isnt negligible

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plus you lose the scent of blood stacks so fast if its on a tiny mob

waxen oyster
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Yeah i mean you should have rupture on muscle

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preferably mark

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XD

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It's really just variable based on pulls

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and mobs in it

tacit hedge
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so prioritize rupture on targets that are gonna live long enough, do the standard rotation and get to big cooldowns and splatter as quick as possible

unique rover
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
waxen oyster
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Depends on pull size really

worn geyser
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its really variable on pull size

waxen oyster
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but yeah

final star
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crafted was better for me, even

waxen oyster
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by cds its mostly just the dm/on use cd

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shivs just get sent

tacit hedge
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Well in this context super fat pulls

worn geyser
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idk its like if one target is gonna live 4 seconds and the other is gonna live 20 then like try and dot the one that lives 20 right, I was just saying if im lazy and my IC doesnt hit a 2nd muscle sometimes ill do an extra rupture mouseover cast to guarantee it hits a muscle

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in an ideal world u just mouseover rupture the 2nd muscle and dont sweat it

tacit hedge
waxen oyster
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You really just have to make judgements

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Based on the pulls

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There is no set rules on how to press things

tacit hedge
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that's fair, I appreciate it

brave comet
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i'm shiving mythic gally but the adds arent de-enraging

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i have arterial

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is this meant to happen?

zinc vale
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kinda weird to me

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is it just because of jastor hc ?

waxen oyster
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PI sim

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jastor is worth a decent amount iirc

sharp lily
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Yeah PI alone is almost 100k dps difference

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At least on sims

waxen oyster
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it's like 90k for me?

sharp lily
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Yeah almost 100k

waxen oyster
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mhmm

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I sim like 2.545 in caustic build without PI

sharp lily
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Rip me im .002 dps lower

waxen oyster
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i should go orc bump the funny number up more

sharp lily
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Ive been debating this with myself also

waxen oyster
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Also should spend my dinar

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because

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im pretty sure part of that is how dangerously close my crit is to mastery

rain coral
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is it possible to get mythic gear with dinar? without killing boss in that mode?

waxen oyster
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Yeah buy a carry

normal mist
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that requires "killing boss in that mode"

waxen oyster
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yeah but you dont have to play the game yourself

rain coral
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^^

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btw. is epic curroption this weak available?

fallow canopy
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If you meant greater corruption, then yes

rain coral
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yeah i meant that, what do you have to do for that?

waxen oyster
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do the vision

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4x

manic quartz
rain coral
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do i have to use masks?

manic quartz
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i dont think so, you get the quest items from "lost areas" 2x per run if you do full run

keen tree
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do we use Stormbringer's Runed Citrine, Fathomdweller's Runed Citrine, Windsinger's Runed Citrine for both m+ and raid?

waxen oyster
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no unless you want cosmetics

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or more enchants

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at a faster rate

manic quartz
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i just did 5 mask run org, cant even imagine the 8 mask run 😮

zinc vale
rain coral
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what are the masks then for?

last skiff
waxen oyster
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more mementos

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hero gear for alts

zinc vale
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well that make sense i never get pi in raid so i dont check pi

gusty mirage
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comes with a cheat death for sanity

waxen oyster
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which gives giga haste during

opal scroll
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Is there a / command for the tricks macro + wa?

gusty mirage
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ye

waxen oyster
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man ts was so funny

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when you had haste corruptions

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or played dh

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second you got the proc you just pulled and murdered everything in the zone

gusty mirage
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no idea if its any good

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but smart misdirect has been very popular for a while

opal scroll
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ty thanksfriend

gusty mirage
loud light
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tbh with the gamon spawns and potions, sanity is already not really a factor even in 8 mask runs

timber socket
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echoin void fixed yet?

loud light
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but the teeming/multitudes and bolstering is a lot of melee damage to deal with

waxen oyster
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Yeah melee swings hurt on rogue

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i go on warrior and kekw

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rp as a lawnmower

brave comet
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god rogue sucks vs gallywax

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i might as well stop picking caustic spatter

golden loom
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dont deathmark on 3rd set

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use it when all the many adds come out

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but yeah idk not the greatest damage on this boss but it is what it is

hallow glade
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just cd the 3min and 7min add spawns

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and shiv the little spawns

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for little spawns i like to shiv early during kingsbane to better cleave adds

golden loom
hallow glade
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surely its a damage buff to hit all of the mobs with shiv

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i even shiv early on the 4min spawn with kingsbane just to pad 🙈

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but no im def doing it for soothe

golden loom
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im on soothe duty

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but today the adds are kinda exploding

copper shore
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hey guys anyone have experience in doing 8 masks or should we all swap to our pally tanks 😛

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I find sanity no issue. staying alive is an issue 😛

balmy condor
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That’s rogue for you

copper shore
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talking rexxar wing mostly

brave comet
balmy condor
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We have 2 defensives and its evasion and feint and other than those you get auto’d and fall over

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Be like that

brave comet
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and having to de-enrage adds is a pain to my rotation

haughty flicker
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who needs defensives if you just kill everything

copper shore
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been kiting even which seems to work but then it becomes kill many and time gamon 😛

winter glade
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Are you guys running visions as bleed?

copper shore
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I am

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going to try subt maybe :/

subtle tundra
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lalallalalalava
chiccken

waxen oyster
hallow glade
waxen oyster
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I feel dh should still be the king

hallow glade
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desynchronization is horrible on sub and you cant do anything outside of cds

copper shore
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well most wings are fine actually. no need to rush it. just rexxar wing is hammering my health so blind is on cc due to reduce dmg. killing everything there to get that gamon twice that wing

hallow glade
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you can always swap to sub on bosses

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and play outlaw/bleed to clear

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i think you can possibly vanish most of rexxar wing because you only need to kill him

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easier to do with grapple

copper shore
# waxen oyster why pally

yea sounds like an idea like I mean sanity if you do bosses right is not an issue tbh. I mean even after reaching rexxar I am still on 3 orbs

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ow and yes sorry my bro is pala tank and he tried rexxar wing but he just pulls many timing his tyr and cleanses and he seems fine on surv.

waxen oyster
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Most melee have some sort of self heal on mob kills

copper shore
waxen oyster
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i think its just rogue and shaman that dont

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dh is probably as disgusting at it as it used to be in bfa

copper shore
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same as a geared DK I think

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and monk does well but I dont like my ballerina spec that much 😛 I am stubborn and need to do it on my 20 year old rogue 😛

waxen oyster
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dk doesnt benefit as much from mob kills

copper shore
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thnx for the tips, thoughts and pointers

hallow glade
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just make sure not to perma bug out your valley of wisdom wing like me 🫠

copper shore
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yea in that case I need to grp up with someone to get it normal again I read

shy axle
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do you always tick "only max colors" when simming meta gem? or is there something negative to it?

hallow glade
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you can run one sim with it checked and nother without it checked to see if there is some difference

hard river
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there wont be just run the max

spice spire
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Hello solo

nimble tartan
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im ridin solo lo lo lo lo lo lo

plucky dock
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Anyone can recommend me a good build and/or spec for 5 mask vision run?

rotund oak
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havent tried max masks yet,its pointless coz im undergeared

brave comet
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should i cloak the first frontal or the second frontal on gallywax mythic?

thorn thorn
brave comet
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cause my cloak isnt up on my groups second frontal

golden loom
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should be 2nd frontal

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cause thats the big damage one

balmy condor
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all these non-bomb havers soaking frontals

brave comet
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ok so i tank the first one possibly with faint and my groups second frontal i cloak?

golden loom
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got to cleave some damage in intermission Pog

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and then we died

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so it looks good garf

bright turret
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frontals don't really do much damage

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the second one just has a bunch of things happening at the same time that you may not be able to avoid which is why you cloak

brave comet
arctic dust
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!trade

coral ibex
nimble tartan
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since its the craziest overlap over there

potent raven
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man

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i just did 4 15s in a row

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on each of them the tank died on the first pack or the 2nd

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how is that fcking possible.. LOL

balmy condor
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I assume pugs

potent raven
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yea

balmy condor
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makes sense

potent raven
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its so fcking bad its insane

pastel pendant
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I mean, thats usually when the tank is finding out what the group is capable of lol

potent raven
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i assumed ppl would know how to press their buttons in 15s tho but i guess thats just still pisslow

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all keys were a disaster today

balmy condor
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no it's not pisslow it's just pugs lmao

novel star
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pug “people” don’t know how to press buttons ever

balmy condor
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pug quality will always be bad

novel star
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it’s not about the keys

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get some friends make a push group

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i believe in you

potent raven
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was doing a 16 flood killed 1st two bosses then my monk tank pre pulls a pack and the pug sham just bursts b4 the monk took aggro and wiped us all and bricked the key

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its so disgusting

novel star
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ye that sure sounds like a pug xdd

potent raven
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he tilted so hard (the monk tank) and nearly deleted the game idk its crazy

novel star
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tbh

potent raven
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im making posts on all mythic+ discord and stuff and getting no replies

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when i tried making a team on my dk or mage my dms were full

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no1 needs a rogue sadly

novel star
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add all the good ppl u find from pugs

potent raven
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been on that

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i found a few friends that play w/ me but they kinda got bored of the game

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they also like non meta specs and phys comps type of stuff

balmy condor
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that's fine though

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phys comp has done like 19's and shit

novel star
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to be fair u can do whatever comp u want unless ur doing like actually absurd keys

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ya

potent raven
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oh yea

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i agree

fresh kelp
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phys comp chads Gigachad

potent raven
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was just talking to my friend how i was searching for keys n people needed meta specs to time a 14

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its so sad how brainwashed they are thinking they need full meta for a 14 its annoying

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blizz nees to make a queue system of some sort idk

novel star
potent raven
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itd be easier to get into keys this system is rlyy horrible anything but it would work

novel star
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every problem comes back to just wow players not being good at wow

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why do you “need” to care about comp for low keys?

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because wow players suck ass

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it is what it is

potent raven
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we need around ~10 years

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for all boomers to stop playing

novel star
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it’s not boomers either

potent raven
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and then wow is gonna be a zoomer infested game pepe_chad

balmy condor
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the boomers aren't even doing keys

novel star
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you can keep making up a million different reasons and none of them are accurate

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wow players suck at wow.

potent raven
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most good wow players ive met were in the 18-25 age range

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the worst ones were above 30

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thats a pattern i noticed

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not saying ALL but mostly

balmy condor
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turning casual game into hypercompetitive and then wondering why not good

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el classico

potent raven
novel star
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and ik a dude in his 40s who farms 99 parses

potent raven
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well i said

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not all

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but most ive met

novel star
pliant remnant
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most good wow players ive met were in the above 30 age range

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the worst ones were 18-25

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thats a pattern i noticed

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not saying ALL but mostly

potent raven
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good message bro

nimble tartan
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im old and better than you both so makes sense

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its addin up

potent raven
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seething so hard

nimble tartan
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dont believe me look me up: skipnoz

novel star
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the only pattern i’ve noticed is that nobody pugging actually gaf ab the game xdd

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wow is easy if you care at all but no one does

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just want free dopamine

potent raven
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gotta find ppl who wanna try 4 title

fallen orbit
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

humble verge
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uh

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does anyone know the best route for this week vision

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i havent bothered to log on to do anything

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😴

elfin bronze
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i quit my hunter to be here

normal mist
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Good job

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welcome

hidden bay
distant helm
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hello sub players are back from their 12 hours of fun

nimble tartan
spice spire
nimble tartan
#

all the best players i know dont gaf about keys leadedstare

runic hinge
#

You are young, cute and demure

nimble tartan
#

i’m a HAG

runic hinge
#

Hot ass gamer

bronze pike
#

did a clef 12 yester day

#

warrior tank only did 800k overal end of key, my ui was constantly flashing red cause i always had threat

#

tanks especially pug tanks dont know how to press buttons

runic hinge
#

Why didn’t you tricks

humble verge
#

i dont think tricks will help that much more but

#

worth a try ig

runic hinge
#

I’m memeing. Ret player

#

He is

winged sun
#

sin > outlaw confirmed 6m overall in DFC

runic hinge
#

Who did more pad on first boss

humble verge
#

feels dfc is a more sin dung tho

#

wait, did you swap for candle king ross

thorn thorn
novel star
#

you piss

spice spire
#

I literally pugged yesterday queen

#

Checkmate

ashen totem
spice spire
#

Lovely group of people too

humble verge
#

wait so

#

a full run only gives 2

#

waterfuck

#

:D

bronze pike
winged sun
humble verge
#

how did you survive then

winged sun
pliant remnant
winged sun
#

im here for the funnel only

humble verge
hollow talon
#

Don't need to do full run

runic hinge
spice spire
#

You need to be subjected to more quakewar keys

#

Good luck with shadowcrash bozo

runic hinge
#

Half the time I send it to the ceiling anyways. I’m out here manually dotting like xalatath intended

humble verge
spice spire
humble verge
#

just gonna do the clear ig

spice spire
#

Yeah that’s my thought too

#

If I’m already doing the dogshit areas may as well just send it

#

Maskless is insanely quick

potent raven
#

timed a 14 top with 2900 players 🤔

#

wow is crazy

spice spire
#

14 isn’t that bad at all

potent raven
#

yupp esp with turbo boost

buoyant herald
# winged sun

this head to head shit is actually great, love seeing the friendly rivalry

potent raven
#

^

buoyant herald
#

"what should i play for keys ooooo ahhh" PLAY WHATEVER MAN THEY BOTH ROCK

#

(not sub)

spice spire
#

5% buff buddy

buoyant herald
#

i know what i said

#

sub yucky i'll die on this hill

feral mason
spice spire
keen tree
#

do you guys set up bronze as tank in solo delves?

feral mason
buoyant herald
keen tree
#

what skills do you give him?

buoyant herald
#

the haste/speed stacking one and

#

something else idk

runic hinge
buoyant herald
#

mechasaur ez build kit

#

those lil dinos do some big biting

feral mason
spice spire
#

Ye I’ve not been a big delva this season tho smoge

feral mason
#

The main stat one is what i use

#

But idk if its actually good

buoyant herald
#

tbh none of it matters

#

it's all pretty weak

keen tree
#

ok thx

buoyant herald
#

but speed and more damage makes delves faster

keen tree
#

i cant see the speed utiliity one tbh. I found the dinosaur

feral mason
#

Rocket fuel

keen tree
#

ahh thx

#

biofuel rocket gear

feral mason
#

Ye

buoyant herald
#

yeah thats the one

keen tree
#

my rogue seems to have very low self healing - especially compared to my fury warrior. This is normal i guess?

buoyant herald
#

yes

#

just walk on the potions

thorn thorn
#

Leech and vial

keen tree
#

im using vial - how do you leech?

thorn thorn
#

Leeching poison

buoyant herald
#

assass gets like 7% leech natty

keen tree
#

ooh ok

#

i just need to get used to iti guess

buoyant herald
#

be very liberal with hitting evasion

thorn thorn
spice spire
feral mason
thorn thorn
winged sun
#

instead of udk

#

other grp is just playing late and our healer doesnt want to play late

#

so ye

wraith olive
#

Picked assa up recently and I keep seeming to run out of energy in prolonged AoE fights and I'm struggling to maintain bleeds on enough mobs to get value out of it - am I just bad or is this hard?

teal stag
#

what are our the best corruptions since echoing void is bugged?

keen tree
#

argh i did a non empowered delve.. this is a waste of time right? i should be doing the ones that are lit up?

final star
#

!shiv

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

buoyant herald
#

or is it still just early enough

feral mason
#

my fault

teal stag
#

np. im looking for one that can suit all 3 specs

#

and im kinda lost since echoing is bugged, gushing is best in ST and twilight is M+ specific looked on logs most of people are using void ritual

red schooner
buoyant herald
#

truth is they're all SO close

#

that it genuinely is preference, or whatever content you're doing

#

just take void ritual and you literally can't go wrong

inland escarp
buoyant herald
#

god you're right

inland escarp
#

I hope it stays dead 😅

buoyant herald
#

i don't want any spec dead but

#

im on board with it's damage being pushed into personal damage and away for buffing group to keep it from being too problematic

#

im also fine with it being a spec that only "works" under niche circumstances (i.e. your other dps are gods)

#

where it is right now seems kinda fine

runic hinge
#

Throughput buffs are one thing but when they buff group survivability in a season where there was a lot of unavoidable damage they just dominated the meta

feral mason
#

idk i think more support stuff is inevitable

#

When its strong theres a lot of people that WANT to play it moreso than any other fotm thing

#

alot of people against their will too but idk

#

Definitely some demand for it

buoyant herald
#

i played it on release and loved it, loved the playstyle, loved the vibe, but hadn't played it since S3 DF

#

after it got buffed over and over after it got killed i recently picked it up again

#

and it's totally lost its lustre for me

#

so i wonder how much "fun" i was having before was just because it was so good

#

felt shite playing in a 12 with pug dps

short tangle
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
ocean gulch
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
worthy rose
#

are we at the stage in the season now where double dawnthread lining outperforms ascension

#

coz based god chainbleed has done just that

#

also why tf does he use stormriders chest enchant over crystalline radiance

#

thats troll as hell

arctic dust
#

!tott

prisma monolithBOT
#

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
winged sun
#

i can tell you that off meta comp is about 0.5-0.8 key level behind r1 team

thorn thorn
winged sun
#

we can definitely time r1 keys

#

but

#

they are definitely harder

thorn thorn
#

The people who arent playing it now are just salty they cant expect carries

spice surge
humble verge
#

@winged sun can you remind me how cleave rota/opener is for packs

winged sun
#

sometimes u wont be able to spread the 4th rupture in IC

#

but if ur able to thats good

#

target high hp mobs

humble verge
#

might wanna try some high keys idk

#

im so fucking bored now

#

debating on getting new pc parts so i can play some other games and also have better fps in woweee

winged sun
#

i dont think its worth spreading rupture above 9 mobs

#

because those packs that have that high hp mobs usually are way too much u wont have to spread that many ruptures

#

u just get into envenom insta after 2 ruptures

humble verge
#

do you mouse over, just tabtarget when rupturing or stay on the same one

winged sun
#

mouseover

humble verge
#

makes sense

winged sun
#

if u wont mouseover then never spread rupture to 9 mobs

#

only twice and dps

humble verge
#

hm ok

#

i havent tried mouseover before so

#

feels kinda monka

winged sun
#

just do it

#

nothing u can lose

#

because

#

if ur mouseover rupture doesnt spread to ur main target

#

u just press ur normal rupture keybind

#

and it does it for u

#

EZ

humble verge
#

oh you have seperate rupture with mouseover?

winged sun
#

i have 2 rupture macro's

visual sun
winged sun
#

CT before envenom yes

#

sometimes envenom before CT if im waiting for some mobs to come in

#

and theres a high prio mob that ineedto kill

#

so ye

visual sun
#

gocha

humble verge
#

surely i will get a spot

image.png
#

wait wtf

#

its almost 2am

dawn heath
#

what mobs are best to shroud in workshop?

humble verge
#

theres only like 3 spots where you would shroud

thorn thorn
humble verge
#

the patrol guy

#

the last dog tank doesnt pull(depends on route ig)

#

and the 2nd to last pack, if they dont do double pack skip on last

humble verge
dawn heath
#

can u shroud these mobs?

humble verge
#

well, you just distract the big guy there

#

so you pull everything else

#

cause you want the %

dawn heath
#

s where do u shroud?

humble verge
#

tho it depends what your tank want ig

#

this lil guy

image.png
#

and the 5 pack there

image.png
#

usually.

#

theres nowhere really to shroud almost so

#

dw

#

the whole dung is only 118,18%

#

:d

grizzled lynx
#

What is the tier one talent build right now?

humble verge
#

for what

grizzled lynx
#

M+

humble verge
#

theres no really "tiers" to it

#

just go for the bleed, if you want it easy

#

easiest to learn

normal mist
prisma monolithBOT
#

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

  1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
  2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

  • Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
  • Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
  • Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
  • Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
worthy rose
#

wait hold up we need two rupture macros?

#

one mouseover and whats the other?

normal mist
normal mist
humble verge
#

i dont even have rup macros

#

cause im stooooopid :3

normal mist
#

Who's Ross

humble verge
#

zeross

#

🤨

winged sun
normal mist
#

Oh, I only know him by zeross

winged sun
#

Whats up green guy

worthy rose
normal mist
#

Now I read "ze-ross"

worthy rose
#

i dont havr upture macros either

#

i just unga bunga and im doing 15's

#

thats about it

#

but i think to go higher i need to start using my brain

#

whats the two macros you have? @winged sun

winged sun
worthy rose
#

you posted the mouseover whats the othe rone

winged sun
#

Zeross only

humble verge
#

why does my bandit hc still say im r6

#

when im obv not

#

🤨

winged sun
worthy rose
#

#showtooltip rupture
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead][] rupture gotta bookmark this one for when i get home and use it

humble verge
#

🤨

winged sun
#

Makes it easier to target ur main target

worthy rose
#

oh so you have a normal rupture and a macrod mouseover rupture

winged sun
#

With rupture

#

Yea

worthy rose
#

makes sense aight

#

i have a bad habit of letting rupture fall off mobs when they live too long

#

coz i cbf refreshing or popping vanish

#

i just blame my teammates for not killing shit fast enough

#

200IQ

runic hinge
winged sun
#

Hmm idk

runic hinge
#

Actually idk why I’m asking I’m done with rogue

#

I’ll probably still yoink for next season

#

I got 3k guys I’m just playing alts

normal mist
#

Based

runic hinge
#

I got my mount it’s time to mess around

inland escarp
#

I think the [] means it will cast it normally

runic hinge
#

Pushing is for people who have a lot more free time than me

inland escarp
#

Which idk why you’d bind it twice if that’s the case

normal mist
#

My Rogue sits at 660 just doing delves for gilded so I can get mythic set recolours

humble verge
#

man

#

im thinking about raidboosting

winged sun
humble verge
#

i need gold

winged sun
#

I wont have to focus on 10 things

#

But u mean i should remove []?

#

If i want it purely mouseover?

inland escarp
#

Pretty sure that would do it

#

I’m not macro god by any means though, but worth a test 🙂

winged sun
#

#showtooltip rupture
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead] rupture

#

Like this?

inland escarp
#

Yes I think that will only cast if you have mouseover

winged sun
#

Great ty will try tmrw

inland escarp
#

Lemme know if it works, tbh been meaning to give it a shot myself. Frustrating when I think I’m casting @ mouseover and I end up refreshing on current target garf_sit

#

Maybe I can make it all one macro and just use shift mod for mouseover

flint saffron
#

Does the bleed build do zdps on bosses?

inland escarp
#

It’s not great but it can do okay dps if you drop cooldowns during execute

winged sun
inland escarp
#

All good

worthy rose
#

single target boss damage isnt bad but not great

normal mist
worthy rose
#

this 100%

normal mist
#

Also, blindside cool

worthy rose
#

apparently even in 17+ its not bad

runic hinge
#

Really just depends on if your group can make up for your lack of ST

normal mist
#

It's not, but you're starting to enter an area where boss DMG becomes really important, that's why people tend to move away from bleed at that point

humble verge
#

just play hybrid looool

scarlet orbit
winged sun
#

Persoanally i dont have issues with rupturing

#

Everything functions the way i’d like it to be

broken ibex
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
prime hull
winged sun
#

It doesnt lose 15% in slice

unreal epoch
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
winged sun
#

U need to use a different apl if u wanna sim it

atomic otter
#

!rik

prisma monolithBOT
#

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

  • Not your problem.
  • Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
  • If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
  • Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
    With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
  • Swap to Subtlety.
keen spruce
elfin valley
#

Mug dead, just 1 more 🙂

runic hinge
humble verge
autumn idol
#

cleave's damage profile (prio target murder) is much better than random aoe

balmy condor
#

It’s not more prio though

#

It’s the same prio with more boss damage

craggy basin
#

can you step out of the ring on mugzee?

#

Sstep

autumn idol
#

There's absolutely no way its the same prio

earnest remnant
humble verge
#

velf garf_sit

autumn idol
#

bleed's not gonna do the same damage to bosses with funnel nor is it going to do good on bosses like momma

balmy condor
#

I mean okay I guess

#

And dashing scoundrel is your savior or what

autumn idol
#

yeah

balmy condor
#

Bit of poison crit carrying the world on your shoulders

autumn idol
#

it goes a long way

balmy condor
#

Poisons do jack shit for damage what

winged sun
#

Subterfuge build is better than cleave build for big momma (kingsbane + DM) btw

autumn idol
#

the difference between playing dashing and not playing dashing is depressing

balmy condor
#

Are we talking prio damage or what

#

Energy is not an issue in aoe

winged sun
autumn idol
#

just in general

balmy condor
#

Okay nice goalposts I guess gg

autumn idol
#

i mean

winged sun
#

Idk where people brought up cleave build is a prio monster

#

It literally isnt

autumn idol
#

im not sure why you're bringing up dashing but

winged sun
#

Its less prio if anything

autumn idol
#

its not the main point

balmy condor
#

That’s the main draw of cleave is it not

#

It’s 0 dps in aoe

autumn idol
#

okay

balmy condor
#

So where is your prio coming from

keen spruce
desert vault
#

for mythic bandit, is it always splatter over internal bleed?

#

saw couple logs with IB so wasn't sure

earnest remnant
#

Yes

autumn idol
#

the fact that you're putting more globals into your prio + supercharger

autumn idol
#

i did have about ~930M damage on momma

#

in an 18

#

you just need to set it up

winged sun
autumn idol
#

yeah i know

winged sun
#

Idk what 930m even means but

#

Pick cleave if u want more st for the price of a cancerous gameplay

buoyant herald
#

Just short of 1km imo

autumn idol
autumn idol
#

i feel like if anything it simplifies things

winged sun
#

Its way more cancerous

autumn idol
#

how so

balmy condor
#

I mean you put more envenoms in but you get less singular focus idk

#

It’s not just magically prio monster

#

You trade off

autumn idol
#

yeah singular focus is nuts

#

i agree

balmy condor
#

You lose zoldyck as well

runic hinge
#

Blindside too

balmy condor
#

That’s not prio

autumn idol
#

blindside is not really

#

yeah relevant

winged sun
#

Well

#

I never tried bleed build for prio

#

I dislike that build heavily anyway

autumn idol
#

you just gotta be more mindful of your mark

thorn thorn
#

Buff KB

runic hinge
winged sun
#

If i were to play subterfuge i’ll play kingsbane

#

Kingsbane is good in keys

autumn idol
#

i just hate kingsbane without ttk

thorn thorn
runic hinge
#

Probably

#

Now all the damage is in envenom and spatter still doing work

thorn thorn
#

Spatter is still a really lame way of doing aoe

#

I say that while playing shadow garf_sit

autumn idol
#

thats all 3 rogue aoe specs

buoyant herald
#

All rogue aoe the same

thorn thorn
#

Link is just rogue cleave on roids

buoyant herald
#

Lazy flurrying my spatters everywhere

#

Psychic flurry you mean?

keen spruce
#

bring back 2 button sub

thorn thorn
#

Larger range

keen spruce
#

storm, bp, storm, bp, storm, bp

thorn thorn
#

Therefore superior

buoyant herald
#

Psychic fluuuuuuuurry

autumn idol
#

bring back sub rogue funnel

thorn thorn
#

Psychic Spatter

autumn idol
#

i mean caustic is shit for the game

thorn thorn
#

Yes thats why im a hater

autumn idol
#

you cant buff any other ability without it causing cascading effects in aoe

buoyant herald
#

Just tune spatter % down 🤭

thorn thorn
#

Nerf spatter buff KB

buoyant herald
#

And up

#

And down

#

And up

autumn idol
#

castle nathria

#

sashay left

balmy condor
#

I’d rather have a sweeping set of talent builds that range from nothing but st to nothing but aoe

#

Instead of just “you get everything”

autumn idol
#

i mean yeah

thorn thorn
balmy condor
#

But that’s never gonna happen

autumn idol
#

i feel you

thorn thorn
#

Getting tuned every hotfix to change the number

balmy condor
#

Cause it’s too complicated and blizzard would never

buoyant herald
autumn idol
#

i think ass has really good capstone talents

#

and it sucks you cant pick all of them

#

;w;

#

or rather, some of the best ones are locked behind really shit ones

#

so you gotta waste points on those

thorn thorn
#

I think sin has the best example of build diversity currently but thats just me

autumn idol
#

a la bone spike and blindside

balmy condor
#

Dragon tempered blades is shit and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t

thorn thorn
#

Evoker has pretty strict "this is the build" and most of the time the "builds" are changing a talent or 2

autumn idol
#

i mean thats also sub rogue

thorn thorn
#

yeh

#

Its lame asf imo

buoyant herald
#

The issue is that specs than run like that are almost always really strong

#

Since they don’t have “give up” anything

thorn thorn
#

Like Pres has one build in keys and people end up just changing 1 or 2 talents

buoyant herald
#

Was just setting up my Chrono raid build today after the buffs

thorn thorn
buoyant herald
#

Exactly like dev

#

That spec is bonkers

autumn idol
#

i mean theres also the issue of dragonflight talents

#

taking a lot of baseline passives and marking them as talents

thorn thorn
#

The DF talents have brought a slew of problems

#

Capital of such is massive defensive bloat

autumn idol
#

slight tangent but i wish they keep the deathstalkers evasion/cloak thingy baseline

#

i swear to god it feels so good

thorn thorn
#

Im fully expecting them to just half the DR strength of all active and passive mitigations and forgetting to tune enemy damage to compensate

autumn idol
#

so whats the point of doing that then when the result's the same

thorn thorn
#

Idk ask them

#

There does need to be a culling of defensive power

#

Thats why M+ ends up so bursty since its the only way to challenge people is to just threaten them with oneshots

autumn idol
#

well m+ is infinitely scaling

thorn thorn
#

Healer PoV having to heal damage when people arent pressing mitigations is miserable almost regardless of key level

autumn idol
#

it's bound to happen at the highest levels

thorn thorn
#

Thats always the excuse but the results happen well before that becomes relevant

#

Even in 10s-12s which are expected for gearing the amount of healing a healer has to put out varies dramatically on a per dungeon and per group basis purely based on how people are using kicks, cc and mitigations

#

Like in a 10 priory with my group for weeklies I can get by ending with 700k overall by the end

#

But in pugs its rare im not around 1m for that dungeon

autumn idol
#

okay i mean

#

i dont disagree but

thorn thorn
#

Just cuz people are so ass

autumn idol
#

a lot of things go from bearable to bursty with key levels

#

like you mentioned casts

thorn thorn
#

I mentioned casts since they are also relevant

autumn idol
#

well yeah

#

in higher keys you are in near death danger if you are getting doublecasted by certain mobs

thorn thorn
#

Yeh

autumn idol
#

that happens less and less the lower you go

thorn thorn
#

Thats generally expected due to infinite scaling I only brought it up because it happens outside of push keys

#

And the amount of nonsense you have to deal with happens less since instead of dieing to casts or mechanic failure you run into survivability bottle necks

#

2 similar problems with different fixes

autumn idol
#

i mean sure but you make it sound almost intentional by blizzards side

#

i think its just poor numbering on some things

thorn thorn
#

Some things are tuned just very poorly but I only blame blizzard cuz its a result of defensive bloat thats been happening since DF

#

They even admitted in an interview its getting out of hand and they are planning to prune them at some point

autumn idol
#

they should bloat some defensives on my shaman

thorn thorn
#

Speculated to be midnight but obviously nobody knows

#

But then again

#

Healers arent people so who cares garf_sit

autumn idol
#

hm

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maybe you are right due to thr fact that ive been taking these things for granted

thorn thorn
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I honestly think its more of a community perception puzzle

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Dps want to be responsible for their own lives and therefore have high defensive power

royal lantern
thorn thorn
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But healers want to be responsible for keeping their team alive more so they should weaken defensive power so threatening oneshots constantly isnt a thing

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Not an easy fix

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