situations like beacon / grieftorch
#assassination
spiral vapor
why dont they just clear the raid then
static glacier
why dont they just clear the raid then
because they don't enjoy / don't want to do that content
grim jay
Pvp/pve being separate is good, but splitting up pve on the highest end is dumb. If you want everything, you gotta do everything
static glacier
I don't share the same view but I understand where they're coming from
iron vapor
Then don't have the items?
spiral vapor
because they don't enjoy / don't want to do that content
i don't like doing visions, i didnt like doing maw/thorgast, but i had to do it
static glacier
s1 shadowlands I got 2100 pvp rating for gear
spiral vapor
the game doesn't bend to your will
iron vapor
I don't like mowing my lawn but I quite like being able to sit on it in summer.
static glacier
I can imagine some people did that and hated their lives bc of it
royal lantern
why dont they just clear the raid then
m+ players when raid trinkets are 2% better and raid cantrip items exists: THIS IS UNFAIR, WHY CANT I HAVE THE BEST STUFF????
m+ players when m+ trinkets are 6% better and m+ cantrip exists which means you force farm it for raids: 🛌
every single time lol
such a obvious I WANT I WANT behaivor
and hate being told "do the content then"
spiral vapor
m+ players when raid trinkets are 2% better and raid cantrip items exists: THIS ...
and even then they could get the hm versions, wich are like 0.8% downgrade or something
waxen oyster
I can imagine some people did that and hated their lives bc of it
this was entirely optional
iron vapor
It's ALL entirely optional, it's a game FGS
grim jay
The only thing blizz should do for gearing is actually having a permanent bad luck protection for items on apropriate ilvls and having stat on-use trinkets available from every source.
royal lantern
and even then they could get the hm versions, wich are like 0.8% downgrade or so...
like, there was a guy on reddit complaining that "Mythic HoC is 10% better then heroic HoC, 10% is so much dmg wtf why do they GATEKEEP FUN"
and when somebody tried to do the math and explain that "10% better" translated into 0,6% more dmg, they got told to shut up lol
the entiltetment is crazy
monkey sees better->monkey must have it or throws a tantrum
iron vapor
Granted, I do think that maybe high keys should have the possibility to drop X amount of myth track loot per week? But I have no solid idea on how to implement it in a way that doesn't make doing +18 keys mandatory for raiding too
royal lantern
the numbers? dont matter
vocal lichen
Again not saying it shouldnt have lockout/limit/timegate. But the amount pushing keys past 12 is more than likely much larger comparatively to mythic raiding just due to scheduling alone.
grim jay
Granted, I do think that maybe high keys should have the possibility to drop X a...
There is none
Like literally none
static glacier
this was entirely optional
guilds kicking people from raidteams for doing 1 or no m+ early in a season: is divergent gearing still optional?
waxen oyster
guilds kicking people from raidteams for doing 1 or no m+ early in a season: is ...
pvp was optional
vocal lichen
Granted, I do think that maybe high keys should have the possibility to drop X a...
Just timegate it?
iron vapor
There is none
I think you're right
iron vapor
Just timegate it?
Same issue exists though, to compete in raid you'll still need to get those items
royal lantern
Granted, I do think that maybe high keys should have the possibility to drop X a...
the thing is
it would just result in a HUGE outrage how "its too high and unfair reduce it" until you get free mythic items from +11 keys or shit like that
the "community" went into shit slinging mode the entire last season for the hideous crime of mythic crests needing +9 keys lol
static glacier
pvp was optional
thing is it's all technically optional but depending on how much the people around you are doing it can feel non optional
vocal lichen
Like turbo boost has more or less invalidated the season at this point
waxen oyster
m+ drops way more gear than pvp did
like alas thats a different convo about how much i think m+ drops too much gear
iron vapor
Like turbo boost has more or less invalidated the season at this point
Yeah, but only for those who had already done all those things?
static glacier
m+ drops way more gear than pvp did
pvp back in sl s1 was guaranteed myth track with set stats
and for a few classes was hard dbis
static glacier
I enjoyed the pvp grind ngl
iron vapor
pvp back in sl s1 was guaranteed myth track with set stats
Yeah, glad they fixed this and made PVP gear effectively only good for PVP
static glacier
was fun to have some pve gain from it
royal lantern
and btw, another Problem is
m+ is allready way to rewarding and killed any form of progres curve
like, we have 4 difficultys in the game, and m+ literally deleted the rewards from everything except mythic raiding by letting you spam farm heroic gear and also get endless upgrade resources
like
waxen oyster
it was also technically the same minor gain in bfa
royal lantern
its because of m+ that heroic gear feels "bad" in the first place lol
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static glacier
I didnt play bfa
waxen oyster
people only complained when streamers started doing it
static glacier
well most of it
waxen oyster
because you're all sheep
who dicksuck streamers
pvp gave you a sepeerate weekly box
that could drop mythic azerite
static glacier
were the traits desirable from pvp?
iron vapor
Maybe restrict the amount of heroic gear dropped in M+ in the same way that it's restricted in delves.
waxen oyster
Maybe restrict the amount of heroic gear dropped in M+ in the same way that it's...
then m+ andys would cry their minigame doesnt rain gear
royal lantern
Maybe restrict the amount of heroic gear dropped in M+ in the same way that it's...
they legit cant do that anymore lol
they listened too much to the "m+ community" and the current situation is the result
but they cant go back and say "lol less rewards now"
waxen oyster
oh wait they already do
spiral vapor
Maybe restrict the amount of heroic gear dropped in M+ in the same way that it's...
but have you tought about the people who hate playing every mode but pet battle? why can't they get mythic trinkets in pet battles???? this is unfair
waxen oyster
they already gave a huge bone
iron vapor
but have you tought about the people who hate playing every mode but pet battle?...
The fact that when you put it like that ...
waxen oyster
giving myth track trinkets for doing 12s
iron vapor
I can't see any justification for gear to exist at all.
vocal lichen
M+ is the only content that gear progression actually matters in tho. Raid just gets easier as the season goes on, m+scales up. Rwf teams do the shit at much lower ilvl than most and before the fights get tuned down.
grim jay
like, i dont even know a solution myself
Im still waiting for the day they implement the delve system and Maps you can activate on specific dungeons (it will be bad)
iron vapor
Just let me trade a stack of rank 1 mycobloom for a mythic pacemaker please
waxen oyster
most people dont do keys that the gear progression matters in
static glacier
Just let me trade a stack of rank 1 mycobloom for a mythic pacemaker please
YOOOOOOO
spiral vapor
I can't see any justification for gear to exist at all.
don't complain when you see my dwarf naked in dornogal then 😎
static glacier
most people dont do keys that the gear progression matters in
it's important to remember that a lot of people play at a lower level
iron vapor
don't complain when you see my dwarf naked in dornogal then 😎
Don't threaten me with a good time.
royal lantern
M+ is the only content that gear progression actually matters in tho. Raid just ...
how many "m+ players" actually push
mate, you talk about a group of people that is in the 0,something% range
static glacier
they do make use of the gear even if they don't technically need it
waxen oyster
m+ does get easier with time
vocal lichen
most people dont do keys that the gear progression matters in
Even more ppl dont do mythic raids that gear doesnt matter in
royal lantern
like, please, realise that "m+ pushers" are a REALLY small group, its the m+ version of HoF raidteams lol
(and m+ gets more easy over time aswell btw, wtf is that "raids getnnerfed" argument)
iron vapor
The argument that mythic raiding is harder than high key M+ is pretty solid, just from an MMO point of view - 20 people with the right composition and not too many morons is harder than 5 people.
grim jay
Even more ppl dont do mythic raids that gear doesnt matter in
Gear matters a lot more if your guild sucks and you need to carry people
spiral vapor
The argument that mythic raiding is harder than high key M+ is pretty solid, jus...
high keys are way way way harder than mythic raid it's not even comparable
royal lantern
The argument that mythic raiding is harder than high key M+ is pretty solid, jus...
different skillset, cant compare them like that
royal lantern
high keys are way way way harder than mythic raid it's not even comparable
bad take aswell
spiral vapor
mythic raid is only hard for the team doing it in the first week without gear
grim jay
high keys are way way way harder than mythic raid it's not even comparable
Thats just wild to say
Ngl
iron vapor
different skillset, cant compare them like that
I'm not talking from the point of view of execution - just the level of organisation to even begin
royal lantern
Thats just wild to say
m+ is only hard if you do +20keys in week3 tbh
waxen oyster
just an fyi
spiral vapor
Thats just wild to say
anyone who plays in a casual CE guild knows a lot of average players clear raid, only the top 0.1% get m+ title
iron vapor
And since it's timegated the rewards are kinda self limiting. I'm 4/8 at the moment and haven't had a single bit of loot from the raid.
past marten
Why would you compare CE to title and not HoF?
royal lantern
anyone who plays in a casual CE guild knows a lot of average players clear raid,...
0,1% m+ is literally the HoF version of M+ mate what the hell
why do you compare title with simple CE
spiral vapor
0,1% m+ is literally the HoF version of M+ mate what the hell
0.1% is more competitive than hof but yeah kinda
past marten
Lmao
spiral vapor
a lot a very average players get hof
royal lantern
^
waxen oyster
m+ is also counting people doing 2s
iron vapor
Hof is a teeeeny tiny percentage
grim jay
m+ is also counting people doing 2s
No hate
waxen oyster
its not hate
spiral vapor
i mean i've done both, and m+ title felt way way harder
grim jay
Ik was just kidding
waxen oyster
but its of all players who have done a key
grim jay
i mean i've done both, and m+ title felt way way harder
You dont sound like you did both
waxen oyster
pvp is more fitting of rank 1
grim jay
Its just objectively not
spiral vapor
You dont sound like you did both
alright lol
spiral vapor
You dont sound like you did both
did u do both and felt hof was harder or as hard btw?
iron vapor
First 200 guilds to clear it is approximately the top 4000 raiders in the whole world.
normal mist
waxen oyster
they need to limit m+ title
iron vapor
That's a pretty fuckin high bar
royal lantern
like, you realise that the high level raid and high lvl m+ curve are literally inverted right
ofc you can say "title is harder then CE!!!" because ofc, title is harder then a week 38CE
but like, you must compare m+ title with HoF raiding cus thats literally its equivalent lol
grim jay
did u do both and felt hof was harder or as hard btw?
I never raided HoF. Its objectively harder than top end m+ tho
waxen oyster
guy cant think critically
spiral vapor
I never raided HoF. Its objectively harder than top end m+ tho
and u have a m+ r1 title?
waxen oyster
because theres no title for being a middling m+ player
iron vapor
Yeah, I'll get CE this season with the 18% damage buff and the ilvl cap increasing etc. I won't get anywhere near mythic title.
waxen oyster
like no title for mfs stuck in 15s at 680
iron vapor
Not even in the same league as that
past marten
Has to be rage bait
royal lantern
like no title for mfs stuck in 15s at 680
and thats still the top1% btw
iron vapor
CE/AOTC/etc aren't comparable
grim jay
Has to be rage bait
Probably, can already see that with how he shifted the focus off the topic and everyone else arguing to me. 
grim jay
Yeah, I'll get CE this season with the 18% damage buff and the ilvl cap increasi...
Ive said it to someone else in the last days, I'm kinda curious how the CE rate will be at the end of the season
past marten
How many people get title? Like in absolute numbers?
royal lantern
atleast 5
waxen oyster
title being acc wide is stupid
red schooner
Ive said it to someone else in the last days, I'm kinda curious how the CE rate ...
This season feels easier than last season for CE
waxen oyster
it is
waxen oyster
and its only going to get easier
maiden sierra
let me ask this first, how many of you arguing this have m+ title or CE?
maiden sierra
are any of you speaking from experience or out of your ass
past marten
Why would we compare CE and title in the first place
potent raven
guys u cant have opinions unless u have CE or mythic title apparently
drifting cloud
still wiping on rik barrels here
maiden sierra
guys u cant have opinions unless u have CE or mythic title apparently
why have opinion on something that has nothing to do with you
nova aspen
im 20 score from current title range and 6/8 myth in a 2 day raiding guild. id say getting title is more difficult
royal lantern
let me ask this first, how many of you arguing this have m+ title or CE?
you know me in that regard ok 
nova aspen
especially if ur pugging ur way to title
red schooner
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Share popcorn pls
plucky canopy
I think you cannot compare title to ce, but maybe more to hall of fame. Cuz title is kinda capped on how many people can get it, CE isn't capped, HOF is.
waxen oyster
im 20 score from current title range and 6/8 myth in a 2 day raiding guild. id s...
what about aug players
plucky canopy
Getting CE is not the same as getting ce in HOF Range
jaunty matrix
ce is not comparable to title
royal lantern
im 20 score from current title range and 6/8 myth in a 2 day raiding guild. id s...
i mean yeha ofc, you do the raid kinda late
like again, if you want the raid equivalent to m+ title, its getting HoF, not getting CE
red schooner
I think you cannot compare title to ce, but maybe more to hall of fame. Cuz titl...
Yeah, you can buy a CE boost and do nothing, for m+ title you at least have to learn how to play UHDK 
waxen oyster
you can buy m+ rating too
red schooner
(this is jokes pls no flame Ty)
waxen oyster
technically
past marten
Lashga did
potent raven
Yeah, you can buy a CE boost and do nothing, for m+ title you at least have to l...
nah its true
nova aspen
i mean yeha ofc, you do the raid kinda late
like again, if you want the raid eq...
HoF is more difficult in that it's a bigger time sink, it also depends on the tier
potent raven
uhdk is so busted and easy
grim jay
This season feels easier than last season for CE
Definitely is with corruptions and turbo
jaunty matrix
this raid is way easier than the past ones for sure
final boss difficulty wise its mugzee
red schooner
Without turbo we'd probably still be on sprocket due to not skipping last phase tbh
nova aspen
HoF tomb of sargeras for example, good luck 
maiden sierra
both getting CE and title is just a patience game, as long as you play the game, with time you can get both.
hall of fame on the other hand is a required level of skill from 20 people in a short amount of time, you cannot wait it out for buffs or gear like CE or title.
jaunty matrix
be careful rob
royal lantern
HoF is more difficult in that it's a bigger time sink, it also depends on the ti...
its a inversed curve overall
HoF needs you to get results FAST and with limited gear and you have a time limit before its closed
m+ title is over the entire season , you need to be high at the end, what you did before that doesnt matter
royal lantern
both getting CE and title is just a patience game, as long as you play the game,...
thank you for being reasonable
👨❤️💋👨
grim jay
both getting CE and title is just a patience game, as long as you play the game,...
I like you
spiral vapor
anyone in a hof guild, think of the worst players in your roster and imagine them vomitting themselves trying to get m+ title
nova aspen
tbh u can't really compare the 2
maiden sierra
the mythic plus players will get you
what are they gonna do? i know a title holder that literally gets bop from a palladin on CD because he cant dodge swirlies for shit
waxen oyster
anyone in a hof guild, think of the worst players in your roster and imagine the...
how’s that any different from people who get title playing fotm?
spoiler: it isnt
spiral vapor
it's different because in m+ you are 20% of your group, there's only so far u can get getting boosted
nova aspen
u have more personal responsibility in keys, but u have in theory unlimited time
royal lantern
what are they gonna do? i know a title holder that literally gets bop from a pal...
m+ title Players when you cant avoid the "dodge the swirlies" mechanic by pressing sigil of chains+solar beam
spice surge
One of what we considered to be our worst healers in my guild in legion did world first +30
jaunty matrix
u have more personal responsibility in keys, but u have in theory unlimited time
keys are way simplier too
because dungeons
spiral vapor
One of what we considered to be our worst healers in my guild in legion did worl...
i'm not even slightly surprised
drifting cloud
r1 pres evoker and petko got demoted in my guild
jaunty matrix
discord sure is different than reddit
if this discussion was happening in reddit
spiral vapor
just play aug in df
even then you could see difference between good and bad augs but yeah don't tempt me to agree with u like that ....
jaunty matrix
downvotes galore
waxen oyster
the bad augs wont do wf keys yeah
grim jay
m+ title Players when you cant avoid the "dodge the swirlies" mechanic by pressi...
People known to be mid players spending 16h a day grinding m+ getting title 
maiden sierra
m+ title Players when you cant avoid the "dodge the swirlies" mechanic by pressi...
the bloke i mentioned was a raider in my guild, on ansurek he had the most amount of deaths to avoidable mechanics
jaunty matrix
let me see if i can dig that reddit post
that was full with m+ only people saying that high rio = insane raider
waxen oyster
maybe you can get close if you slide the top team enough on paypal
haughty flicker
lmao i remember that one
spice surge
I think a lot of it comes from those high m+ players feeling kinda forced to raid for the gear, so they dont really apply as much effort
nova aspen
spice surge
Which shows
spiral vapor
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1k31axi/why_do_mythic_raid_guil...
but they do care lol
spiral vapor
at least my guild does not
high end guild?
jaunty matrix
rob is in a hof guild i think
maiden sierra
high end guild?
usually around WR500
spiral vapor
i see
maiden sierra
rob is in a hof guild i think
nah
jaunty matrix
nvm not hof but still good
spiral vapor
yeah dunno i got offers from guilds when i got high rio scores, i think some do at least, but maybe others don't
jaunty matrix
do you raid ?
spiral vapor
yeah
jaunty matrix
because sure everything matters a little bit or a lot more
maiden sierra
i think in my guilds experience, we have had a lot of m+ players that were bad at raid mechanics, which is why they failed the trail and why we dont care about m+ score
high m+ score means you know how to dps
does not mean you know how to raid*
spiral vapor
you say "'m+ players"
fallow canopy
high m+ score means you know how to dps
does it tho?
spiral vapor
i find it hard to believe high end m+ players would be bad at raiding dunno
i don't see how
maiden sierra
does it tho?
from my experience, high score m+ players do well dps wise (if they are not dead on the floor from 1 mechanic)
fallow canopy
from my experience, high score m+ players do well dps wise (if they are not dead...
dead dps do 0 dps as they say
drifting cloud
i find it hard to believe high end m+ players would be bad at raiding dunno
You lack experience raiding with them :d
little tulip
maybe they're just parse chasers, how many did you trial?
spiral vapor
You lack experience raiding with them :d
every player i played high m+ with was an exceptionnal raider as well, and we were like sweating to be 50 points above title
maiden sierra
m+ and mythic raid are 2 very different enviroments that require completely different skill sets
fallow canopy
from my experience, high score m+ players do well dps wise (if they are not dead...
just in case obviously its not all m+ focused players but the stereotype is there for a reason
spiral vapor
some pulls in hard keys are so fucking overwhelming compared to the "one mechanic every 10 seconds" in raid
i can't believe it doesn't translate
maiden sierra
just in case obviously its not all m+ focused players but the stereotype is ther...
yeah
nova aspen
m+ and mythic raid are 2 very different enviroments that require completely diff...
agreed, hard to compare the two
waxen oyster
If you were going off % of a team
wouldnt that make rank 1 pvpers better
since they’re 1/3
of a contribution
haughty flicker
yes
spiral vapor
rank 1 pvpers are amazingly skilled
jaunty matrix
rank 1 pvp is the hardest thing to get in the game
fallow canopy
most i see get kicked for personality issues
they play pvp so that comes with the territory 
little tulip
..i dunno we had this one dude who was trying to tell our raid lead territorial bombcrabs dont spawn out of med trash on stix
some ppl are just goofballs regardless of other qualities
haughty flicker
pvp is a mental game
maiden sierra
im not qualified to talk about pvp as my highest rank was 1600.
but pvp is a mess.
haughty flicker
need to say the most abusive shit possible to the enemy so they know not to fuck with you
waxen oyster
healing pvp at the highend
fallow canopy
need to say the most abusive shit possible to the enemy so they know not to fuck...
mental warfare is half the battle
waxen oyster
is probably the most stress inducing shit
maiden sierra
problem with pvp is boosters
spiral vapor
problem with pvp is boosters
u can't get boosted to pvp title tho, can you ?
jaunty sky
i can't believe it doesn't translate
For raiding you need patience, reliability and consistent performance over 100s of wipes to exact same shit
little tulip
i have skill i'll hoover ur loot and smile was hilarious when i heard it yesterday though
waxen oyster
which is very easy
jaunty sky
Imagine smashing your head into cinderbrew first pull for 4 hours
maiden sierra
around 1600 rank you get a lot of title holders boosing 0 score people, and the gear difference just ends up 1 shotting you
jaunty sky
And you manage it once and someone immediately dies to first mechanic on first boss
spiral vapor
Imagine smashing your head into cinderbrew first pull for 4 hours
well yeah when you get a good key, you only get one shot and it can be super stressful
waxen oyster
around 1600 rank you get a lot of title holders boosing 0 score people, and the ...
that was a thing in Sl yeah
spiral vapor
since most do it via acc shares
ah yeah then it makes sense
maiden sierra
that was a thing in Sl yeah
thats when i did pvp
jaunty matrix
it is bannable but blizz doesn't really care
spiral vapor
cant believe you could just clown around while the two guys would carry you to r1
jaunty matrix
ye
waxen oyster
after a certain point
somber sparrow
here's my question, since eye of kezan is only good for 5+ minute fights.. I have mythic signet of priory... should I use the hero track version of the seaforium pacemaker with it? would sim but i'm at work and don't have an updated /simc data of my character. oops!
jaunty matrix
unless they take your account
drifting cloud
cant believe you could just clown around while the two guys would carry you to r...
You have to learn how to play fotm class at 1.8k lvl they can do the rest
waxen oyster
i think its 24
allegedly
costs a few grand euro i think for r1
though
if memory serves
drifting cloud
they also just wintrade and abuse mmr if needed so yeah
waxen oyster
yeah
spiral vapor
that its the same people that keep getting r1
there's no new players for pvp, only the sweatlords are left
waxen oyster
theres a rogue mage teamthat havent played live in years
besides boostinng accs
or making ones to sell
fallow canopy
spiral vapor
pvp rank 1 title > hall of fame > CE = m+ title
pvp rank 1 > hall of fame > CE > completing the monthly trading post pass > winning fashion contest = m+ title
nova aspen
pvp rank 1 title > hall of fame > CE = m+ title
pvp rank 1 title > hall of fame > m+ title > CE
at least this tier*
tight sparrow
pvp rank 1 title > hall of fame > m+ title > CE
World First > pvp rank 1 title > hall of fame > m+ title > CE
haughty flicker
imagine not having world first
waxen oyster
you should probably specify arena
sullen mural
dont forget turbo boost
jaunty matrix
i'm not getting ce
even with all that
in my guild
but its ok
ce is not the goal we have
just push as far as we can
waxen oyster
i like how the augment rune weekly machine
maiden sierra
you should probably specify arena
this is why i said you need to be qualified before you have an opinion. i have 0 clue about the difference between arena and rbg
waxen oyster
is bugged rn
spiral vapor
its the friends u make along the way that matter
nova aspen
i say "for free" because some of our raiders are being carried
u can't carry for title
jaunty matrix
people say you can
spice surge
You definitely can
drifting cloud
and now thanks to resilient its as easy as ever
spice surge
Boosting ofc, but even if youre playing as 5 theres room for atleast on passanger princess most of the time, as long as youre not completely awful
waxen oyster
imo the worst part is this
nova aspen
gear doesnt carry u to title
waxen oyster
"tip" key culture
spice surge
Like in my group im often not on the kick rotation, because the others have ranged kicks and we dont want to risk me not being in melee when the kick goes out
nova aspen
title just feels like knowing ur group's aoe stop rotation + kick assignments and do good dps
spice surge
So im only in on stuff where its absolutely necessary
And rogue doesnt really have much stops anyway
My blind is at the bottom of the priority list
sullen mural
Like in my group im often not on the kick rotation, because the others have rang...
backup kick gang i feel tha
Just jobless in keys
maiden sierra
hardest part about getting m+ title (if youre not in a premade) is getting accepted to a key if youre not a meta spec.
i remember 2nd week of this season i spent 2 hours trying to get accepted to a SINGLE +12...
nova aspen
pugging for title is definitely harder than CE
maiden sierra
pugging for title is definitely harder than CE
i can agree with that
nova aspen
no comms either
maiden sierra
ive had people who gray log every boss get CE
wet spire
M+ is so unfun tbh at this point I really wish I didn't have to do it to raid but here we are
viscid spear
i say "for free" because some of our raiders are being carried
We carry some lesser guildies to AotC.
maiden sierra
but i dont think every tier is like that
amirdrasil CE was fun
waxen oyster
pugging as an offmeta spec
jaunty matrix
no matter the gear you wouldn't clear fyrakk or tindral in df if you didn't do the fights right
waxen oyster
is a unique challenge
nova aspen
actually, my guild wouldn't have gotten CE ansurek if it wasn't for the 18% buff
jaunty matrix
and ansurek before the nerfs
most guilds were race swapping to gnomes
to deal with the webs
using the racial
drifting cloud
no matter the gear you wouldn't clear fyrakk or tindral in df if you didn't do t...
they were insanely nerfed at the end
viscid spear
no matter the gear you wouldn't clear fyrakk or tindral in df if you didn't do t...
We had someone that could never get the hang of Dragonriding through the entire expansion, so Tindral was a nightmare for her.
drifting cloud
once cages on fyrakk would expire it was in the chill prog territory
maiden sierra
some low end CE guilds have the strat of reclearing bosses instead of extending lockouts for prog until the end bosses get nerfed a lot
jaunty matrix
i dont think that's good tho
the bosses still need to be progressed
i think extending is better
especially in a tier like this one
wet spire
some low end CE guilds have the strat of reclearing bosses instead of extending ...
Get ce then reclear
sullen mural
Depends on the tier
maiden sierra
thats why they are low end CE guilds
haughty flicker
idk for a low end guild i can definitely see reclearing to be the play
especially if this trend goes forward of getting massive boosts late in the season
haughty flicker
my guild took half as many wipes to kill oab as we did sprocket just because of gear
jaunty matrix
for most bosses
sullen mural
Dont think theres a right or wrong just heavily depends on the tier/what boss you'd be progging at the moment
sullen mural
Like lets say u were on brood pre nerf
might aswell reclear
the other 4 bosses were jobless
haughty flicker
uncut vector
guys i got the craftet dagger and apex dont drop ... would you recommend the Siphoning to craft to 681 ? Craftet allready everforged
sullen mural
but this tier rik was actually somewhat difficult for shit guilds
sullen mural
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
How do i see that for my guild
jaunty matrix
but this tier rik was actually somewhat difficult for shit guilds
because rangers cant be trusted to do something
sullen mural
because rangers cant be trusted to do something
And because assa rogue is jobless on barrels
jaunty matrix
bandit is a dps check of a boss so these huge power boosts we got will definitely make it easier for most guilds
compared to stix and sprocket
maiden sierra
lets me put this on display:
Method had 103 pulls on mythic gallywix (killed 3rd week before raid buffs).
my guild killed gally in 58 pulls.
is my guild better than method? no, we simply got to the boss when we had a 9% damage buff from the raid and extra ilvl from the new event.
haughty flicker
dps helps a ton on sprocket too
we'd probably still be stuck there if we had to do the last few sets of mechanics
lmao
sullen mural
warcraftlogs progress page
twins
nova aspen
we'd probably still be stuck there if we had to do the last few sets of mechanic...
for sure
nova aspen
killing before the balls even come out is huge
sullen mural
surprised we took that many pulls on sprocket
fucking glue eaters
really hard to not touch eachother
maiden sierra
hmm
haughty flicker
my guild lost our best player and our healer officer because of ranged terrorists on sprocket
sullen mural
Our mage blinked with wrong polarity and kicked 3 people off on our kill
you'll be fine
even with terrorists
jaunty matrix
ranged can't be trusted
haughty flicker
Our mage blinked with wrong polarity and kicked 3 people off on our kill
for me it was evoker
haughty flicker
hovering into me every other intermission
jaunty matrix
normally they are supposed to only get the first ones but someone dies so a healer gets a mine and they never do it because "i got a mine?"
haughty flicker
ours is good he just had a couple issues with hover lmao
pressed it trying to move forward against the conveyers ig
instead of while standing still
maiden sierra
my guilds evoker ended up getting benched for OAB because the raid lead had enough of his hover wiping the raid on sprocket
jaunty matrix
sullen mural
Atleast raidbosses other than stix are actually fun to play imo
if i ever have to play a fight like stix again
might be my 13th reason
maiden sierra
nah this raid is ass
waxen oyster
if i had a nickel for every time i heard
haughty flicker
i actually fucking hated sprocket
haughty flicker
hate any fight where i can randomly die from someone else fucking up
haughty flicker
if i die i want it to be bc we're wiping or bc i fucked up
sullen mural
i actually fucking hated sprocket
Half our sprocket prog i just watched champions league games on 2nd monitor anyways
jaunty matrix
i like stix and sprocket
haughty flicker
stix i played boomkin
haughty flicker
so i was just pressing starfall and running from hyenas
jaunty matrix
because they cant drive for shit
viscid spear
if i ever have to play a fight like stix again
You don't Stix the Bunk in the Junker?
maiden sierra
i like sprocket, i like mugzee, i dont mind the first boss.
every other boss is just boring or aids
wet spire
Mugzee is fun
jaunty matrix
last tier people were saying rashanan was the easiest 4th boss ever so blizz gave us stix this tier, the hardest 4th boss ever
sullen mural
You don't Stix the Bunk in the Junker?
Probably my most hated fight including all of dragonflight and last tier
I just wanna play my class not be a ball half the time
sullen mural
next last boss is giga hard
jaunty matrix
next tier the last boss will farm guilds day and night most likely
sullen mural
yeah
maiden sierra
im very proud of this one
jaunty matrix
also next tier is the final one of the expansion
so its gonna be turbo hard most likely in general
sullen mural
im very proud of this one
omg twins
sullen mural
i already got 2 or 3 balls in cds and died at the end what more can i do
sullen mural
Swear gally would already be dead if people would care less about their log on the kill pull
gusty mirage
a tale as old as time
maiden sierra
gally was such a payphone fight
it has like no mechanics
just hit boss and dance
jaunty matrix
people that pad for parses in progress are the worst
gusty mirage
yeah but how can fake number on third party website be fancy color if I have to dance?
gusty mirage
so they make prog 100 times worse for people who just want to kill bosses and move on with their life
jaunty matrix
so reclears are actually reprogresses
maiden sierra
Like just get your log on reclears
dont let my warriors hear this
haughty flicker
gusty mirage
so reclears are actually reprogresses
s3 DF all over again baby
sullen mural
Like if gally isnt dead when poe league comes out gl to my guild without rogue
jaunty matrix
we always wipe 3-4 times in vexie when we reclear
sullen mural
so reclears are actually reprogresses
We had a night where we couldnt kill rik reverb on reclear btw
maiden sierra
man i want to do tindral again
haughty flicker
loved reprogging tindral every week
maiden sierra
loved that fight
gusty mirage
who hurt you
spice surge
Tindral progress 
Tindral reclear 
maiden sierra
who hurt you
society
maiden sierra
i just liked flying up and crashing down
gusty mirage
I probably would have enjoyed that
had people not overcomplicated the flying up and soaking part
maiden sierra
a lot of 9/11 jokes
haughty flicker
fly up
raid immediately all die
haughty flicker
my experience
gusty mirage
why are we using maritime expressions
haughty flicker
only reason i didnt crash out during tindral was bc i could race the other ball eaters
somber sparrow
take your opinion and throw it starboard
maiden sierra
my guildies just had a non verbal agreedment on which orb is ours
little tulip
fyrakk with 5 ppl is honestly peak design
gusty mirage
the only reason I didn't crash out during tindral was because we killed it before christmas
little tulip
until the screamers appear and you don't have enoguh bodies to do mechanics
gusty mirage
my guildies just had a non verbal agreedment on which orb is ours
we had a 15 minute conversation about the orbs
and then people would take my feather
jaunty matrix
the only reason I didn't crash out during tindral was because we killed it befor...
wtf
are you in a hof guild ?
gusty mirage
I was
jaunty matrix
he monke now
drifting cloud
the only reason I didn't crash out during tindral was because we killed it befor...
maiden sierra
and then people would take my feather
me and my guilds monk kept taking each others feathers
jaunty matrix
from what i'm seeing
drifting cloud
gusty mirage
waxen oyster
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/1181914464841375754/...
this gif still gets me every time
gusty mirage
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/1181914464841375754/...
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
because that happened to me
except I flew into a beam
waxen oyster
only once?
drifting cloud
probably happened to everyone atleast once
maiden sierra
man dodging the beams on the p3 set while flying was an experience
gusty mirage
I don't think I had cheat death in p1 the entirety of prog
little tulip
you didn't play the hit n64 game rogue squadron? lmao.
gusty mirage
our first p2
little tulip
..lmao.
gusty mirage
our tank found out if you fly into the giant fireball above tindral during intermission
you die
sullen mural
was a banger rwf to watch tho
jaunty matrix
bosses beg for mercy
jaunty matrix
my current guild
had 300 pulls in smolderon
to kill him
i was not with them then
after they killed smolderon
half the roster checked out
gusty mirage
I had a friend's guild who needed like 200 pulls on smolderon
and he goes
"If we do well on tindral we can get hof"
I didn't know how to break it to them
jaunty matrix
amidrasil was nuts
first 5 bosses were okay
then smolderon was the wall
and the tindral and fyrakk were from a different galaxy
in terms of difficulty
gusty mirage
tindral was just mechanical diarrhea
drifting cloud
smolderon def wasnt a walk tho lol
sullen mural
Tindral also exposed who has a pc and who didnt
drifting cloud
wall
gusty mirage
I remember the original rwf version where p3 was a new mechanic every like 3s
royal lantern
Tindral also exposed who has a pc and who didnt
stop calling me out wtf
little tulip
dumb but lack of immelmann turning on dragonriding, just a u turn in the sky
gusty mirage
and just casts a new mechanic every 2-3s
idk who the fuck thought that version was doable
royal lantern
and casts uber bloodlust
nah, he was a boomkin right?
he just used convoke
drifting cloud
prenerf rwf seeds were insane on itself without the overlaps
gusty mirage
I remember watching that
and I'm like there's 0% chance more than 10 guilds kill this version
royal lantern
prenerf rwf seeds were insane on itself without the overlaps
3 seconds for 18 seeds right?
drifting cloud
yeah I think it had like 10 kills when it got nerfed if even
gusty mirage
it was obscenely hard
jaunty matrix
echo that got the first kill on fyrakk
it took them 4 weeks after that on reclear to kill him again
because they weren't using that addon exploit they had found for the race
are all the last raids of an expansion that hard ?
or was amidrasil an exception
earnest remnant
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/1181914464841375754/...
its a said day
the guy in that clip has called it quits
jaunty matrix
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/1181914464841375754/...
the funny thing is that this happens now too in stix with the ball if you try to turn too late, you will keep doing circles around the bomb
drifting cloud
or was amidrasil an exception
it just had 2 endbosses, sepulcher was still harder just depends on what wr youre looking at it
waxen oyster
drifting cloud
but they nerfed sepulcher alot and om the faster side for fated season
waxen oyster
p2 was snooze
gusty mirage
I don't even remember the secrest phase
earnest remnant
wasn't mythic sylvanas insane
no lol
drifting cloud
nah it was just long and P2 sucked
earnest remnant
she was piss
gusty mirage
was that the center fight
jaunty matrix
i dont know the fight since i didn't play back then
gusty mirage
was that mythic only
jaunty matrix
but it was that
gusty mirage
idr
earnest remnant
I don't even remember the secrest phase
only thing mythic did was split you up in p2
jaunty matrix
and it caught the guilds off guard
gusty mirage
oh
earnest remnant
where one side fights big golem fucker
earnest remnant
same
drifting cloud
golem gang
earnest remnant
how am i meant to prepare for boss fights now that nibren has quit on me?
jailer not even close
sylv was not a hard fight
gusty mirage
my guild didn't get to jailer until he got nuked
gusty mirage
wait no we got to p3 before nuke
jaunty matrix
little tulip
uhhhh...i was proud of doing a necrotic wake 7 before they nerfed it, had no idea what a special action button was
gusty mirage
all I remember from sylv is people falling during p2, boomkins inting arrows in p1, and our monk tank torpedoing off the platforms in p3
OH
we lost like 30 pulls
because in p1
she'd jump off the platform and just shoot us with arrows
good fight
gusty mirage
I didn't mind guardian
drifting cloud
dont tell that to whispyr
gusty mirage
good loot pinata
somber sparrow
https://tenor.com/view/nostalgia-inside-out-inside-out-2-those-were-the-days-gif-7457156263220728993
drifting cloud
he hates painsmith with passion
earnest remnant
he also hates silken court
drifting cloud
ya
earnest remnant
think its just a reflection of the guild you did them with ngl
cuz silken was a fine boss imo
earnest remnant
best boss ive ever played to this date i think
gusty mirage
you ever have to sprint to the opposite side of the way the boss is going
to pick up the bomb
earnest remnant
yes
drifting cloud
rygelon was ok but prenerf timing on going in was not fun
And since it was a wipe mech ...
earnest remnant
lords of dread
earnest remnant
anduin on prog was fine as well, if you played in a good guild
gusty mirage
you dddn't like playing among us? on a prog fight
intermission wasn't even the worst part of that fight
it was people being fucking dumb
haughty flicker
my favorite affix
jaunty matrix
i dont even wanna know how kiljaden was on progress
i played the fight in df to farm mogs
and kept dying
earnest remnant
eh just like 600 pulls or smth like that
jaunty matrix
timber meadow
anyone know if plater allows you to see other player's debuffs? like if i can show which mob has an arcane mage touch of the magi on it for example?
id prefer not to be funneling into the same target if i can lol it doesn't really matter but having my mob dissapear on me is lame LOL
gusty mirage
anyone know if plater allows you to see other player's debuffs? like if i can sh...
I think you'd have to whitelist it specifically but yeah that is possible
as long as it can be pulled from the default UI (which it can) it's possible
timber meadow
as long as it can be pulled from the default UI (which it can) it's possible
awesome, thanks man
humble verge
how am i meant to prepare for boss fights now that nibren has quit on me?
you guys... watch guides..?
humble verge
but now i no longer can
wait, is he quitting or is honestly quitting
earnest remnant
he did
haughty flicker
but only one shoots a big beam out
brave comet
so i'm supposed to de-enrage adds on gallywax, with arterial do i need to specifically target the adds or no?
coral ibex
no
brave comet
so i can just throw it on the boss correct?
autumn idol
yes
it gets applied to all targets nearby and de-enrages them
however i do not advise this as shiv is a part of your dps rotation in a non-negligent way. surely you have hunters/druids to do this instead
golden loom
well it lines up pretty well on gally
and theres 2 mobs that enrage and we can hit both s
but it is kinda depressing to do (im doing it aswell)
brave comet
however i do not advise this as shiv is a part of your dps rotation in a non-neg...
it doesnt matter tbh, if the raid lead expects me to do this, i cant tell him well its gonna slaughter my parse
golden loom
first set lines up with dry shiv
2nd set is a bit awkward depending on when they enrage but it does kinda line up with kingsbane
3rd set lines up with deathmark
4th set is massive aoe and lines up with dry shiv
keen spruce
it's not like gallywally is a dps check anyways
just do your jobs like a good raider 
golden loom
only thing I hate is when they de-sync their enrage casts
spring hill
guys, if playing no kingsbane bleeds build for M+ is gushing wounds ever a better choice over void ritual?
golden loom
guys, if playing no kingsbane bleeds build for M+ is gushing wounds ever a bette...
talents dont interact with enchants
brave comet
first set lines up with dry shiv
2nd set is a bit awkward depending on when they...
i'll have to check the timing, on 2nd are you using kinsbane on boss as it comes up?
spring hill
talents dont interact with enchants
damn, it would have jebaited me big time then
golden loom
i'll have to check the timing, on 2nd are you using kinsbane on boss as it comes...
yeah, so supression happens -> run to dot up the adds -> kingsbane boss and then usually you maybe have to shiv a bit earlier than you want to but
tbh we had some pulls were the adds just got nuked there for some reason though so idk
sullen mural
its almost as if
Just almost tho
golden loom
could maybe just kingsbane the add there aswell, might be better
golden loom
I mean yeah but you also kingsbane kinda late and dont get any spatter on the adds if you send on boss
true tapir
random question, my shiv macro does not consistently use tea, is there something fucked up with it>?
#showtooltip Shiv
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
spice surge
Do you have thistle tea in your bag/bank
true tapir
nah, double checked that
true tapir
nah looking at WA, sometimes during opener it doesnt get used]
humble verge
my depths damage on mugzee
sage basin
macro is on your bar? Stealth bar too if that's where your shiv is?
shy axle
when simming the metagem, always tick only max colors?
true tapir
macro is on your bar? Stealth bar too if that's where your shiv is?
you found the brain lag. thanks for troubleshoot
sullen mural
autumn idol
spice spire
nova aspen
jaunty matrix
any tips to farm corruption enchants quickly ?
first time doing them and i need the greater ones for raid
in an hour
nova aspen
zoom by the 8 sanity drain zones
nova aspen
only have to do the 12 sanity drain zones for blood
stone yacht
sprint here, pull all mobs in zone, burst them down, go kill thrall
1 black blood
do that 8 times.
tawny bloom
you just zoom full right, get send back by the totem, active lower left and do heavier left first, walk back to lower left and kill thrall
repeat and you done with 40min if you slow
autumn idol
doesnt matter
tawny bloom
it changes weekly
stone yacht
it's org for eveyrone this week
jaunty matrix
ok
nova aspen
SPRINT
jaunty matrix
thanks
nova aspen
sullen mural
go outlaw its faster
jaunty matrix
i'm outlaw so i can zoom zoom
sullen mural
double grap
fluid zodiac
Is the hybrid build really only for higher keys like wowhead guide says?
fluid zodiac
I dislike the need to target swap for optimal damage like the bleed build requires
I play in the range of 10-14
Is this high enough for hybrid?
sullen mural
As said u can play it in whatever key lvl
Personally doesnt feel good in 14s still but
also depends on who u play with
U do less dmg if u play with good people in lower keys
sullen mural
Though u don't really "target swap" u just go through the pull and apply a few bleeds
But I do get what you mean with it
golden loom
I dislike the need to target swap for optimal damage like the bleed build requir...
you dont need to target swap?
sullen mural
In theory u can just spam garrote/rup on same target
slightly less optimal but works
nimble tartan
guys i highly suggest doing the need greed roll in ur guild for loot its truly the best way
stone yacht
yeah this^ it's a minor dps loss but just use the main target to spread your bleeds to the whole pack
sullen mural
It really is just a really really slight gain so like
if u dont like doing it just dont bother
fluid zodiac
sure, thanks. another quick question, assuming i'm using bleed build. Let's say the first pull of brew, do you guys spread 5 garrote/rupture into crimson and FoK or as long as the bleed cleave is up i spread as long as i can?
First pull of brew meaning, a giga pull
sullen mural
I just do it after feel so hope someone has an actual answer for you
With bl my hunter just deletes first brew pack most of the time so
sullen mural
dang ur slow
stone yacht
sure, thanks. another quick question, assuming i'm using bleed build. Let's say ...
yeah dude it's just feel. you gotta just get in the reps
jaunty matrix
i got lost
stone yacht
with every m+ pull it's a function of "how many mobs" vs. "how long will the mobs be alive"
autumn idol
sure, thanks. another quick question, assuming i'm using bleed build. Let's say ...
when i played it i usually spread as many dots as possible
sullen mural
Need me to draw a map
stone yacht
like, if it's a 14, you can be reasonably sure they're alive a long time. in a 10, if you spend the entire pull spreading dots and dont do any envenoms you may lose some dps because everything died before you were done spreading bleeds
though of course the bleed build has a failsafe for this in the inevitable demise functionality
cloud basin
has anyone done an 8 mask run for assassin yet?
autumn idol
has anyone done an 8 mask run for assassin yet?
im about to
sullen mural
Atleast dont go below 5 targets cuz of scent how many more targets u do is just feel
autumn idol
well
you'd want to get the best use out of arterial precision
you cant really guarantee which targets it will hit so
but most pulls dont go beyond 10 mobs
sullen mural
Just highroll
autumn idol
radiant otter
First pull of brew meaning, a giga pull
on a gigapull crimson tempest is massively more dps than anything else and you want max uptime on it. the other stuff is good but the energy regen from other bleeds is not as important and you still have a bunch of globals in subterfuge to do them, you do want ruptures out for scent of blood buffing your agi but you only need 5 to get the max 20%
worn geyser
whats the bot command for the spec sim sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
flat pier
The proc rate on Twilight Devastation is kinda wank
native turret
stone yacht
Yo what talents do you guys normally drop to get Iron Wire?
sullen mural
I leave the group if i need iron wire
Its either lightweigh shiv, ma doom or bone spike
i think
serene solar
Yeah the main thing you’d want to drop is the group
hardy forge
What exactly does it mean that Echoing Void is bugged, how is it bugged? What does it do/doesnt that should do?
autumn idol
had a 39 mil crit get good
wicked valve
Having a lot of fun with sin, never touched rogue before
Welcome to the club!
lyric gate
WHAT ENCHANT TO PICVK
sorry caps
i checked the ping
buzt that doesnt help me
someone simmed it ?
wicked valve
Look at the pins, dawg.
runic hinge
It says void ritual twilight dev or gushing. Taking your pick
wicked valve
Then sim it? Wtf dude.
sullen mural
Having a lot of fun with sin, never touched rogue before
I wish sin is less and less fun for me 