assassination

[sudden brook]

that is real ye

[pastel vessel]

that is crazy

and not running kingsbane

im just so confused now

[shy creek]

Ist a new build focused on bleeds

[novel star]

indeed

it do big damage

bleeds got buffed and arterial got buffed

:D

[sudden brook]

whats confusing

[novel star]

change i guess

[potent raven]

@midnight mist how does this work

the 2 envenom bars

[lyric gate]

useless information

[novel star]

it’s your 2 envenom buffs

[potent raven]

i think its the overlapping envenom

[novel star]

doesn’t really need much explanation

yes

[potent raven]

ye i see

[novel star]

idea is so you can pandemic refresh the lower one

instead of clipping

but it just doesn’t matter at all

can ignore it

and slam buttons

[pastel vessel]

i just dont understand where boss damage comes from without kingsbane

[potent raven]

envenom n allat

[novel star]

it doesn’t

you do zdps on bosses

it’s not the end of the world because you have crimson tempest in ST

and deathmark and arterial shiv

[sudden brook]

it doesn't, its a build that does shit ST

[novel star]

but yeah

[sudden brook]

It does infinite AOE though

[novel star]

st is just shit it’s an overall dam build

[potent raven]

the no garrote build is the ultimate build ong

had they not capped kingsbane and buffed bleeds just a bit it wouldve been much more fun to play

[spice surge]

Kingsbane doesnt do that much damage nowadays anyway

[potent raven]

btw it does seem to do alright damage with the no garrote build

[midnight mist]

it doesnt

[spice surge]

Its forced induction that provides the ST

[thick delta]

So it's been a while since I have played my rogue and I feel like I am missing something in St for the bleed build. I'm reading that we use CT as the finisher? Is that one time just to keep up dot or do we use it everytime over envenom?

[plush gorge]

just tp maintain the dot

[celest crescent]

mythic roulette mast-crit, circlet killer?

[shy creek]

CT is a one time use to keep up the dot

You are meant to maintain all bleeds, amnd then spend extra energy that keeps you above 150 energy, on envenom

[thick delta]

okay thank you. Its probably just a skill issue at this point I just wanted to make sure I was doing the right hting

[river vapor]

yall rockin wit the bleed build or the hybrid build

[shy creek]

Bleed in lower keys, hybrid in higher keys

[shy creek]

Can replace cyrces w heroic jastor, so mythic good stats prob is too

[river vapor]

what could i sub from hybrid build for iron wire?

[shy creek]

Sanguine Blades

[plush gorge]

would rather drop bone spike

[red schooner]

Maybe if the sim says it replaces circlet

[worldly dock]

When its the best time of use Shiv? After applying bleeds or before?

[red schooner]

After. We don't snapshot.

[worldly dock]

if its a bigg pull like 10+ adds and shiv only goes on 7 + targets should we double shiv?

[shy creek]

No

Most pulls that are 10+ adds are very little adds that you don't care about anyway

They will die fast regardless

[worldly dock]

oh ok

But worth vanishing 2 times in a big grp and they dont die fast but bleeds are starting to fall off
so vanish again reapply bleeds again?

[shy creek]

It happens from time to time, but not often that you'll have to

But, yeah, you can send the vanish for bleed reapplication

[worldly dock]

ok cool

i checked the pins and whisprr says the echoing void is bugged ? is that a good thing? should we use it in m+?

[jaunty sky]

it's not a positive bug

[lusty kraken]

I wonder if they will bother fixing it properly

[worldly dock]

So gushing wounds should be ok for us? even if its ST ?

[tranquil stirrup]

On Cauldron, Caustic Spatter or no ?

[wise plover]

yes caustic

[tranquil stirrup]

ok

[shy axle]

any tips for first time mugzee myth progress?

[vivid mulch]

we 3.2k now booys

ez

[spice surge]

If theres ever a second target, play caustic

The only situation where you dont is if the fight never ever has any add whatsoever

[tranquil stirrup]

Okay, thanks 🙂

[silent compass]

Heya, is there a specific stix talent tree that anyone recommends?

[coral ibex]

raid cleave

[golden loom]

just the same shit as you play on 7/8 bosses

[silent compass]

Aity thanks 🙂

[shy axle]

can you get out of the mugzee prisons with step on myth?

[gritty haven]

what lesser corruption are we playing atm?

[warm mulch]

I heard about echoing void being bugged, has that been fixed yet?

[gritty haven]

If i remember correctly you need help to get out on mythic

[sudden brook]

Or velf

[royal lantern]

no

[shy axle]

thank you

so what do you do then? wait until someone crashes the wall with the icicle? or did i oversee anything

[sudden brook]

Rescue/grip

[upper dock]

you race change to void

[shy axle]

ty

[earnest remnant]

step actually works but good luck doing it consistently

[royal lantern]

evoker rescure/priest leap of faith/ be a cringe elf and use the racial /just dont and go out normaly

[shy axle]

thank you

rescue/grip just when you are inside or is it a special timing thing?

[sage basin]

as cage drops, there's weakauras built into various packs that assign help to priests and evokers

[royal lantern]

~0.3-0.2 seconds before the cage drops

[sage basin]

it counts down and tells that person who to help

[royal lantern]

not on you anyway lol

they get asinged to do it

out of your controll

[sage basin]

yeah, you just get to your assigned spot and if they fuck it up, not on you

cage either gets moved to a weird spot cause they did it too early or you get stuck

[thorn thorn]

@runic hinge I have made my decision

Link is neat spatter is cancer

Ty for coming to my ted talk

[runic hinge]

link is neat cause it just happens, spatter is cringe because you have to use mutilate in an aoe situation

[thorn thorn]

Link also bigger than spatter

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rancid haven]

do we still play the cyrces ring? cus im simming higher with a crafted one

[turbid sandal]

You should probably try reading the pin

[grim jay]

check the pins

[spice spire]

Check the pins

[grim jay]

for every new possibility, always

[grim jay]

ima check you

[spice spire]

Wish you would

[grim jay]

its always great if two people wish for the same thing

thats how dreams come true

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-box-gif-25488894

[humble verge]

well, im solo in dornogal..

[golden loom]

benched from the raid and from the game?

[humble verge]

yes

[thorn thorn]

Tell them to bench one of the evoker dps

[humble verge]

no, they do better dps than me

[thorn thorn]

Then grief them

Give them tricks

[humble verge]

D:

[thorn thorn]

If they are playing FS they will pull aggro and die

[bitter apex]

^based

[humble verge]

LMAO

[mortal wave]

I'm going back to rogue from feral, ass is way easier than feral right?

[humble verge]

no idea

i havent played feral

[rotund oak]

feral isnt rly nuclear science

but idk,prolly harder than sin

[mortal wave]

it felt way harder than df outlaw rogue to me, but I played feral less

[royal lantern]

assa is envenom the spec

feral is bite the spec

[rotund oak]

ik :p

[rotund oak]

ill write it down once coz i dont wanna yap about the pirate alot

there is no chance

in this universe or any other

that feral is harder than outlaw

ever

[mortal wave]

maybe cause I played that outlaw rogue 20x more than feral but feral just feels confusing with all the snapshots and keeping up bleeds

[rotund oak]

maybe yeah but the specs arent comparable in terms of difficulty

literally the pirate is probably one of the hardest,if not the hardest in the game

[mortal wave]

how does tww outlaw compare to df outlaw in terms of difficulty ?

[rotund oak]

its physically exhausting

its garbage

[thorn thorn]

Aint no way feral harder than outlaw

Outlaw legit getting 100+ apm

Outlaw is cringe anyway

Why would you want to need a degree in business, a good credit score, high property value, paid off car, no credit debt, stocks in a medical tech company and 20 fingers to play a spec

[royal lantern]

mate

get out of reddit

mfs acting as if outlaw is not a WoW spec in the end

[grim jay]

imagine thinking that anything in wow is high apm

especially to a degree that is hard to handle

[thorn thorn]

I dont go to reddit actually

Reddit is full of sub humans

[thorn thorn]

All specs I play are around 40-50 so anything higher than 90 is excessive in my books

[real pike]

guys I'm struggling to work out cooldowns on gally

people are holding second DM I think?

[grim jay]

good for you

because its 82-86 apm

and not above 90

also thats still school secretary granny apm

[thorn thorn]

I can find logs of them at over 90 cpm

Or are we gonna pretend button presses arent actions

Cuz thats cool too

[grim jay]

5 min sims are 82 and 86 respectively

and its still not high

[scarlet orbit]

Isnt in Logs the pistol shots from fth counted as a cast so its really scuffed?

[grim jay]

its comparatively high for wow gameplay, but not high overall, so nothing insane

most people, including me, have waaaay more buttonpresses/min anyways

no matter what spec

[humble verge]

crazy, dune part two is on netflix already

[thorn thorn]

Idk outlaw is for chumps I just see this and assume people do cocaine as part of their morning routine

[thorn thorn]

Not every spec is that high

Evoker DPS are on the much lower end comparatively

Mostly Dev due to channel

[crisp stream]

How do you see apm in dungeons?

Sims*

[grim jay]

im saying I'd press the same buttons/min on any melee spec atleast

[thorn thorn]

Im fairly certain all melee specs are faster paced in general due to no cast times

[scarlet orbit]

Just checked it still shows 1 cast of pistol shot as 3 and also the dispatch from crackshot as a own cast so logs are completly scuffed

[thorn thorn]

But Dev is actual sleeper, sims its sitting at 35 average but people get close to 40-50 due to haste

[grim jay]

like for me it doesnt matter if its outlaw or sin or whatever, I always press 2-4 buttons/s

[thorn thorn]

My hands are broken so I cant press that many

[thorn thorn]

Excellent

[obsidian ridge]

so I just punched a target dummy until I ended up doing about as much dps as the sim said. the m+ bleed build single target rotation really is just that slow?

[golden loom]

just be on soothe duty

[real pike]

this boss is jokes

[real pike]

ahhh you have to throw a shiv so you don't have one to use for DM on the adds that drop on boss

are you just sending CDs on CD?

[golden loom]

it kinda lines up

but its also awkward cause they dont really cast when I want them to..

[winged quail]

yep

[hollow saddle]

I'm pretty new, feel like i reached my limit x). i'm falling behind all my teammates in dmg now. the induction build is just too hard for me dno. Do I try outlaw and hope i clicks? x)

[golden loom]

just play bleed

[hollow saddle]

That's the problem its not enough

[golden loom]

what keys are u doing

[hollow saddle]

17s

I can handle the bleedbuild, but when i try the forced induction I just fall apart.

[real pike]

pesky adds

think you kill it tonight?

[potent raven]

i feel that

[golden loom]

nah first night of actual prog

[hollow saddle]

worst part is, that i feel like im doing mostly everything right. So i'm too dumb to improve omegalol

[subtle tundra]

MEOW!!!!!!!!!

[subtle tundra]

well weve seen people do 20

so like obviously theres stuff youre doing wrong

i do recommend going away from bleed though

and play normal hybrid

[hollow saddle]

Yeah for sure. it's 100% a me problem. becomes strange tho when you think you are doing everything correct. When you cant even relise what you are doing wrong.

Guess i will have to start recording

[subtle tundra]

what about logs

[obsidian ridge]

I thought bleed was like #1 overall, no?

[subtle tundra]

got any?

[subtle tundra]

yeah for lower keys

he is into bigger keys

where bleeds start to fall off midpull and prio target dies slow enough

[hollow saddle]

Not sure. Going to check

[potent raven]

im doing 15s and bleed is still good

idk i just started playing assa 3 days ago

or something

[hollow saddle]

Yeah but at 17, the boss fight starts to be too long

[potent raven]

yea ikwym

[hollow saddle]

and since the boss fights are so long, ur overall drops too, and all of a sudden your a burden

not an asset

[ancient rain]

look at the top logs and see how they cast shivs, kingsbanes and DMs

[sudden brook]

Cd's on cd

[buoyant herald]

Woah woah woah

Slow down

[hollow saddle]

no logs unlucky

[velvet zenith]

poison bomb is so satisfying to see

Alpha big envenom into big green pool

Beta bleed build nothing happening

[hollow saddle]

Nothing happen is good. Nothing to fuck up x)

[velvet zenith]

its so boring to play

[stable cove]

is hybrid or bleed better for higher keys? or is it key dependent based off of st needs?

[real pike]

yeah that was what was confusing me

but I worked it out

[buoyant herald]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[real pike]

at what key level is it recommended to not use bleed on Rookery

[velvet zenith]

when your boss damage is too tight

[hollow saddle]

You could respec after first boss, I did that today worked out

[nimble tartan]

think im gonna swap poisons next week see how it is

[real pike]

guess who died on the gally kill

parsed a 4

and still got the mount

[thorn thorn]

You are the real winner

[real pike]

I don't feel like one

did a /lie for the screenshot cause I didn't deserve to be standing up with the others

[golden loom]

gzz

[real pike]

thanks I guess

😂

[thorn thorn]

Doesnt matter

Killed boss, got mount

gg

[acoustic kite]

How beneficial is it to have a full phys comp running bleed build? Does it impact damage significantly or is it only a % or 2

[real pike]

they made a fkin emote of me

[balmy condor]

warrior is like 5%, windfury is like 4%, bloodlust/druid/monk is like 2% a piece

dh would also be in that 2% range

[acoustic kite]

Oh nice, thanks

[thorn thorn]

How much is PI

[balmy condor]

on a bleed build, pretty decent in single target, like competitive with top specs for it

[runic hinge]

69%

[balmy condor]

in aoe....... errrrrrrrrrr

not ideal

[thorn thorn]

Say no more

I just need to know if I can reasonably not give it to mages and locks

[winged sun]

ok enough sandbagging

time to gap outlaw once and forall

zac paid me 500k per key to be below him

now he ran out of gold

gg

[thorn thorn]

[fleet pagoda]

4.20 brewmaster

[arctic venture]

guys m+, im full bleed but I´ve seen some people using kingsbane and dragon for now

what should I do?

[fleet pagoda]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[thorn thorn]

This moroes guy should make a guide

[arctic venture]

yeah

but I got my answer thx

[lethal heart]

whats sepcial about rookery

[arctic venture]

I´m almost there hehehe

[lethal heart]

its ok i read till the end

[arctic venture]

me too.

[fleet pagoda]

does that mean the three of us finished together

[lethal heart]

[thorn thorn]

[runic hinge]

[hollow river]

[thorn thorn]

[winged sun]

oops wrong discord

[midnight mist]

oops wrong discord

[red schooner]

oops right discord

[thorny fog]

Should I use two random number perforator in both hands if I have them, or still use ever forged stabbed in OH

[snow hamlet]

[worthy rose]

probably the crafted if youhave ascendance on it

if not then yolo doesnt make much of a difference

[worthy rose]

bros making us look bad in front of outlaws

[rapid patio]

bleed build is this one, right?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[worthy rose]

das the one

it will carry you to at least 3100 mythic rating

[proud pelican]

Damn zeross washed up confirmed?

[winged sun]

ye try finding someone more washed up than this

without sanguine blades gap

would'v ended 6700-6800

[proud pelican]

Jokes on you zeross I can’t read

Looks pretty washed up to me

O wait no sanguine actually? That’s pretty nutso

[winged sun]

yeah im the 1%

might take you a while to guess what i mean

[proud pelican]

Ur the 1.1%

Insane

[midnight mist]

Washed up

[winged sun]

bro

its not even 1.1%

[worthy rose]

did someone say washed up

[winged sun]

[proud pelican]

Alright alright Ross stop yelling

I’m just joking

[royal lantern]

nobody here is washing themself

all smelly

[worthy rose]

i need zeross to cook me up another build i can crutch on

im at 3100 already with bleed build

what do u recommend @winged sun

[winged sun]

ye its cool getting pinged 100 times a day about my dps

[worthy rose]

@balmy condor you too

[winged sun]

one day i'll find it funny tho

[worthy rose]

zeross: posts a pog screenshot

chat: where dps

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean idk

you can't really get upset when you post your dps 100 times a day and then get surprised when you get pinged 100 times a day about the dps you posted

that's just kinda how that works no

[worthy rose]

i need another build to crutch on to pew pew damage and dps

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor I was watching that r1 rogue latest priory run, and he was playing without sanguine blades while wowhead recommend sanguine blades, is wowhead cooked ??

[winged sun]

i dont really post my overall here all that often

if anything they wont even reach 10 pictures in sin channel

xd

[worthy rose]

how often are you above 50% energy

how often are you making use of sanguine

[winged sun]

thats not true but ok

[royal lantern]

literally all the time in aoe

[worthy rose]

yeah

what does the r1 trade sanguine for?

[midnight mist]

Idk some cooked talent

Some poison thing

I will ask him next time be stream

[worthy rose]

by r1 do u mean zeross

[midnight mist]

I think it's just wowhead being wrong about talents again tho

So annoying

[worthy rose]

you gotta remember tho whispyr is making wowhead for the 99% of players

not for the 1% world toppers

[hidden bay]

Calm down everyone, I would bag you guys if I actually would play m+

[midnight mist]

Ye that's true..

[worthy rose]

if you dont do m+ what do u even do for most of the week

[hidden bay]

Till then I smash 8 +12 keys

[worthy rose]

you can only mythic raid once

[midnight mist]

That's why r1 plays without sanguine

He is very good I heard

[hidden bay]

I do twice 8/8, a few keys and log off for the rest of the week

[worthy rose]

lets be real

if you copy pasta someones build

play with hekili

you can get to 3100 mythic score

ez as

not even a challenge

[proud pelican]

Should we all just kiss?

[hidden bay]

Ignoring all yellow names, sorry

[pure moth]

^

[proud pelican]

Whatever man you changed

[hidden bay]

OK

taking that personal

[royal lantern]

play other stuff?

you really overastimate how many people do m+ above the weekly rewards mate lol

[worthy rose]

it was a meme

or rhetorical

[hidden bay]

I sit in my chair and watch the ceiling for the rest of the time, fuck playing other games

And ofc I come here to shittalk

[royal lantern]

thinking if you are good enough

[hidden bay]

It’s true

Can always be better

[worthy rose]

when will it ever end

friend wanted to push 14's

we did 14 and now he wants 15's

we did a 15 and now he wants 16's

[restive glade]

xd I feel the same, monke 3500 next

[worthy rose]

tbh i stopped caring about mythic after i got 3k

coz there sno more rewards to get

nothing between world top and 3k

not even a consolation prize pet or something

[restive glade]

flexing rights?

[royal lantern]

when they get the "m+ Push burnout"

[worthy rose]

yeah but i dont think mythic dungeons are even that hard now with the ilvl bump

anything 15 and under prob isnt even a bragging right

just takes the right team and it goes super smooth

17+ is the real flex

[royal lantern]

the "real flex" is whatever you think it is

most dont give a fuck about how high somebody went lol

[waxen oyster]

play tank to outdps

the dps in your groups

[worthy rose]

pretty much

[runic hinge]

3k is top 10% idk being better than 90% of people who do keys is kind of a flex and that's barely more than doing 12's

[waxen oyster]

It can just be 12

[haughty flicker]

i just play the game

[waxen oyster]

guildie of mine has 3k from just 12s

but they’re all 2 chested

[worthy rose]

yeah it hast o be really good 12's iirc

usually its 4 13's and 4 12's

or in my case it was 6 good 12's and 2 13's

[waxen oyster]

yeah apparently 2 chesting all 12s

is 3013

[worthy rose]

still find it a bit of a meme hwere blizzard made the dinars for all 12+ people or mythic raiders

blizz essentially told 90%+ of the playerbase to pound sand

[waxen oyster]

every pug i’ve seen one dps

whos below 2.5 overall

so idk

[worthy rose]

theyr just rats hoping for a carry

[runic hinge]

barely 20% of the player base gets aotc and now they get a hero jastor for some lfr bosses

[waxen oyster]

i mean the regular playerbase

can still buy hero gear

[runic hinge]

they didnt get told to pound sand

[thorn thorn]

Aintnoway its barely 20%

AOTC is so free tho

[runic hinge]

it is

[bronze pike]

it is

[runic hinge]

look up aotc achieves theyre like 17%

[bronze pike]

but the bulk of the player base

still cant do it

or

[waxen oyster]

you dont even need heroic kills for hc loot

[bronze pike]

dont want to do it

atoc while easy for us, is still "hardcore" content for the rest of the playerbase

[worthy rose]

i know last season when i played priest i specifically didnt kill queen to increase my loot chances of getting spymaster in vault

LOL

then by the time i got spymaster it was too late to bother killing queen

[gritty laurel]

i like my guild, but we take like 6-8 weeks of raiding 1x per week for 3 hours to nab AOTC. it should go way faster, but it is what it is

[worthy rose]

i dont think theres the same problem this season tho

[waxen oyster]

in other fun news

i beat 2 of the dps in my 10 priory

on tank

[thorn thorn]

I remember seeing something back in DF about the people timing 20s/10s was a very small portion of the player base

Long time ago so dont remember exactly but I think it said it was roughly 15%

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior dam

is fine

[worthy rose]

prot warrior can do some crazy dps

my friends prot warrior regularly does like 2-2.5m dps

[thorn thorn]

Prot warriors giga crank the dps

[worthy rose]

its like having another half dps in your team

3.5dps in the team is pretty pog

[waxen oyster]

yeah it was like

[restive glade]

prot pally cranks in rookery + priory

[waxen oyster]

3.1m

bdk is pretty stupid if they proc bloodbeasts

on big packs

[thorn thorn]

Yea ngl if a prot warrior smokes me that hard in a key imma unsub

[restive glade]

in a 12 a prot pally did more than me on rookery - almost uninstalled

[bronze pike]

thats also accurate

the majority of the player base in keys dont go above a 5

maybe less even

[thorn thorn]

I have to believe you since thats what data would say but it still feels wrong

[runic hinge]

same

[waxen oyster]

vdh damage feels meh

unless you get hella lucky with hunt reset procs

[worthy rose]

can someone tell me why vdh is the flavour of the month tank

like

what do they do that other tanks dont

[thorn thorn]

Sigil

[worthy rose]

coz i seem to enjoy most tanks tanking

[bronze pike]

it does feel wrong

[thorn thorn]

Sigil and cc

[bronze pike]

community perception

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

the playerbase cant press kick

[worthy rose]

too damn high

[bronze pike]

remove that

but yes

fotm players are the wrost

ty

[waxen oyster]

Why does dh have singular focus

[thorn thorn]

Correct

[waxen oyster]

but better

[thorn thorn]

Most VDH players are dumb as fuck

[bronze pike]

i just got off a raid

with a cotank

[waxen oyster]

wounded quarry is just

[bronze pike]

vdh who was690+

[waxen oyster]

better version

[bronze pike]

or whatever

[worthy rose]

wait why did i just listen to what a new member tell me what to do

💀

[bronze pike]

and he did less than half my damage

hold on

[bronze pike]

new member, boi respect your elders

ive been here since legion

[worthy rose]

ok boomer

[thorn thorn]

Cuz r*tard is offensive

Even if its true

[worthy rose]

is 690 ilvl even possible

if theyr slow on the uptake

[waxen oyster]

No big pp is probably like

[worthy rose]

its dictionarily accurate

[thorn thorn]

VDH has a very small ratio of capable ones to terrible ones

[waxen oyster]

684?

[worthy rose]

cant hate on a word if its being used in correct context

[waxen oyster]

maybe?

[gritty laurel]

yeah my dad got me the code for 690 he works at blizzard

[thorn thorn]

Im fairly certain its a higher rate than arcane mages tho

I genuinely havent seen a single arcane mage pump in keys this season

They have all been bad for me

[balmy condor]

!warn @worthy rose don't circumvent the filter thanks

[bronze pike]

675 vs my 650 ass

[worthy rose]

damn whispyr gonna do me dirty like that

[bronze pike]

25 ilvl on me and does so much less

and thats the best pull he had btw

[thorn thorn]

Is that your guilds Dev Evoker

[gritty laurel]

i beat a 670 arcane mage on my first key as a 643 UHDK ever in overall, it was surreal to watch

[bronze pike]

this is a pug

[thorn thorn]

Oh

Might be time to uninstall tbh

[bronze pike]

fotm specs are a plague

vdh is just strong, strong cc, low skill floor, shilled by streamers = meta

[thorn thorn]

Dev is super easy to play

Probably easier than BM

[waxen oyster]

Its cc is super watered down

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/george-lopez-i-can-never-do-nothing-in-this-house-walk-out-gif-12043099

[waxen oyster]

from what it used to be too

[thorn thorn]

Good

Double sigil was dumb asf

And its crazy it ever made it to live

[waxen oyster]

Idk if its a male elf vdh

i just know they’re beans

off rip

[bronze pike]

it is

but its still 4 aoe stops

chains, silence, misery, chaos nova

granted people dont use misery and chaos nova as much as they should

and often misuse chains and get you or themselves killed

[waxen oyster]

You use nova for more souls

for more reaver glaives

?

[bronze pike]

if u wanna do a degen minmax

vdh generates alot of souls with proper rotational mastery

[waxen oyster]

brand is dps cd

[bronze pike]

like a metric shit ton

[waxen oyster]

dont @ me

[bronze pike]

i wont cause i agree

[haughty flicker]

real

[bronze pike]

and yet

i love fotmers so much

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean alot of the time you are just

beating your soulcleave bind

[waxen oyster]

like its your meat

[bronze pike]

fotmers love to remove these two talents

for shit like

[waxen oyster]

why would you ever remove brand spread

[bronze pike]

more sof cdr and soulmonger

:)

[waxen oyster]

the fuck

[bronze pike]

cause streamer yoda said so

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

I mean i heard theres a legit no brand spread buikd

if you are good

at maintaining sof parry

[bronze pike]

i think it fell off tbh

i havent checked

but it was a dumb as fuck time on god

[waxen oyster]

i think cycle is good though

just more sigils

[bronze pike]

imagine dropping a 40 dr on a 1min cd that lasts 20 seconds and has a uncapped spread

[waxen oyster]

more damage

[bronze pike]

this is good

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that

[bronze pike]

really good

thats why its in a nice spot

[waxen oyster]

people who talent out of focused cleave

make me die inside

[bronze pike]

you have to make a choice

[thorn thorn]

Fotm players in general are always dropping good talents for silly shit

[bronze pike]

in keys tho

as much as you like sigil cdr and its all good btw

[waxen oyster]

is ttk good

[bronze pike]

its hard to take it with brand spread

[waxen oyster]

asking for a friend

[thorn thorn]

I dont ever invite evokers to my keys when any of its specs are fotm because if I see some silly shit in their talents I would crash out

[bronze pike]

and brand talents are just better in every way

[waxen oyster]

I mean you can have both

[bronze pike]

ya but itsl ike the first thing you take out if you want more bulk

[waxen oyster]

the build i currently have does

[bronze pike]

what do u move?

[waxen oyster]

i think it has no last resort

we die like men

[thorn thorn]

Is sanguine good

I see top player take KB but wowhead use build, why ?

[bronze pike]

i dont use that either

ive been playing last resort for years

now for the first time in ages, i have the option to talent out of it for betetr things

why the hell am i gonna use lr if im not doing 17+

[thorn thorn]

Just be dumb like me and pop it on accident

[waxen oyster]

yeah this setup

[bronze pike]

ah sou lcarver

fair enoguh

[thorn thorn]

The GM of an old guild of mine used to take Fel Dev healing over silence cuz "The silence CD is too long and I would rather the extra healing"

[bronze pike]

ya the .4% extra healing is sooo ogood

idk i like my buttons, shoving everything into brand with felscarred feels nice

but ya swappiung out sc for sigil cdr is a option

ftd over dgb tho, thats a choice

[thorn thorn]

I told him that and the answer I got was "50% more is 50% more"

He clearly didnt read the talent

[thorn thorn]

I like Fel Scarred the short time I played vdh

Do lots of dam during meta

[bronze pike]

i like burst

[waxen oyster]

i mean its aldrachi

dgb isnt as big

[bronze pike]

fair enough

idk even with reaver, dgb makes your feldev sync up with more tank busters

its just a nice qol talent for general tankiness

[cyan trellis]

do we lose a shit ton of dmg to take iron wire

i kinda want to take it in priory 16

to not wipe to a bunch of casts

[humble verge]

at a certain point you need the damage tho :d

[coral ibex]

its like 2%

to drop 1 shiv charge

[cyan trellis]

for bleed?

[coral ibex]

yes

[cyan trellis]

i mean that's not terrible

that's like what race switching from vulpera was simming lol

and everyone says race doesn't matter

:p

[thorn thorn]

But then you gotta deal with being a vulpera

Decisions decisions

[humble verge]

either you play human or belf

or you play nelf for free restealth, orc/maghar for stats, dwarf for cleanse, velf for teleport i guess? idk

[true tapir]

That restealth has a 30% success rate lol

[waxen oyster]

it works like old stealth

so any instance of damage will knock you out of it

[worthy rose]

when will they nerf shadowmeld

[gritty laurel]

i know for a fact that i'm not good enough for my race choice to matter whatsoever

[worthy rose]

they nerfbatted the shit out of human racial so its nightelfs turn next

[gritty laurel]

island troll it is

[haughty flicker]

transmog is more powerful than any racial

[waxen oyster]

human got nerfed in legion

[haughty flicker]

ironically except for the reduced transmog cost racial

[humble verge]

not if ure me

(i play orc)

[waxen oyster]

Ngl my mog would actually look good

on brown orc

not green though

none of the green orc skintones work well with it

[thorn thorn]

Double hearthstone was ultimate disrespect

[waxen oyster]

Shamans laughing

[true tapir]

Yea I’m orc too, just remembered trying meld/stealth macro in df and it never worked when tank was chain pulling

[waxen oyster]

with their 10min hearthstone spell

that doesnt share a cd

[worthy rose]

still cant believe every man for himself got nerfed into whatever the fuck will to sruvive is

[thorn thorn]

Capital reason why Drac rogue inferior

Glide is stronk but it comes at a cost

[waxen oyster]

Meld works fine if you know there isnt a damage instance happening right away

[thorn thorn]

Will to survive has had recent applications

For example

Waycrest manor, colossus that would put the cage on you that would just nuke you

You could just human racial out of it

[worthy rose]

i mean stun removal is still decent

[waxen oyster]

or be a mage

[worthy rose]

but its a lot shittier than what every man for himself was

[humble verge]

idk, u just have to stand a bit away, meld and spam restealth?

[waxen oyster]

[haughty flicker]

idk i like visage form, the only reason im not a dracthyr right now actually is because they nerfed glide

[worthy rose]

you went from 100% utility to like 20%

[haughty flicker]

that and you still show as a dragon on character select

[true tapir]

Think it has to do with mobs being in combat with your allies , and unless your allies also dropped combat, meld doesnt drop combat

[haughty flicker]

which while insanely minor would drive me insane

[thorn thorn]

Nerded Glide is superior to no glide at all

Play a caster as drac

Live changing experience

[humble verge]

waycrest manor

[waxen oyster]

nah i’ve melded into stealth

while allies in combat

my alt rogue has always been nelf

[humble verge]

(stealing your repair gold cause you keep forgetting where to go and die)

[worthy rose]

meld stealth and meld eat

very strong macros

[waxen oyster]

nelf druid

meld flight form

[worthy rose]

human rogue is still apparently the best alliance tho

[waxen oyster]

ultimate wpvp middle finger

[haughty flicker]

ye this was always so funny lmao

nothing to be done

just fly away for free

[waxen oyster]

well

unless you have netomatic bound

[haughty flicker]

if you were quick with launcher maybe

[waxen oyster]

and are quick to start the cast

[haughty flicker]

not with dragonriding now though

[waxen oyster]

can you dragonride in flight form

[haughty flicker]

yes

[waxen oyster]

[haughty flicker]

druid actually so op

[waxen oyster]

Yeah regular flight form you can easily just

[haughty flicker]

if you can stand not being able to transmog

[waxen oyster]

netomatic them

and watch them die to fall damage

falling down z axis

actually my favorite thing to do is to netomatic finish

and see the +16 honor

on my screen

[gilded bronze]

what corruption are people taking?

[true tapir]

Do you stand off to the side or nah?

[thorn thorn]

Is wpvp still an active thing

[waxen oyster]

no

[waxen oyster]

not really

[jaunty sky]

U gotta find an active layer that's not fully taken over by one faction

Which is pretty hard

[thorn thorn]

Im on A52 playing Alliance so I dont do wpvp

[worthy rose]

pvp in wow?

pfft best joke

[thorn thorn]

PvP used to be fun

[worthy rose]

it did

back in like wotlk into cata

a bit of pandaland

then i stopped playing and came back and saw how much of a shitshow pvp is these days

[thorn thorn]

It stopped being fun in SL when it became omega bursty

And worse in DF when CC bloat got super out of control

[haughty flicker]

i started playing rogue because i'd sit next to a rare at the start of bfa and kill people who tried to solo it

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

had to farm those wpvp honor achievements

[thorn thorn]

I rescue people next to cliffs and push them off with Drac racials

[coral ibex]

i dont remember why i started on the realm i did or why i picked rogue, only that it stuck immediately and wotlk rogue is peak

[worthy rose]

thats the only way to play rogue in wpvp

[thorn thorn]

Everyone knows rogues fight dirty

[fast phoenix]

BAA addon getting me killed on last boss of mecha... womp womp, so many LUA errors from audio addons/WA's this patch

[haughty flicker]

tbh i did the same thing as marksman hunter at the start of tww

and i think it was actually way better

[worthy rose]

whenever i do theatre of pain

you best bet i kidney and disarm the enemy

every trick in the book

my record remains untarnished

[thorn thorn]

Start of the .5 patch I had lua errors popping up on CD and preventing me from casting spells

I was mid key as a healer

[fast phoenix]

yeah it was so bad, froze me for 5-6 seconds i thought i got D/C'ed, such a bad look too cause im just barely starting m+ this season lol

first 5 seconds of last boss just hard froze and died, missed timing it by 4 seconds

altho not sure why healer didnt battle rez

must be a pride thing

[feral mason]

I got lua error miniguns

Sound went kinda hard honestly

[fast phoenix]

idk what blizzard did this patch but so many audio problems from 3rd party programs

had to delete some random WA's with audio notifications too

[indigo totem]

If only dracthyr rogues had rescue... wing buffet is way fun in BGs tho

[thorn thorn]

Wing Buffet very good

[waxen oyster]

wtf is BAA

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-smile-gif-15001110547181879552

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/bnuy-bunny-flat-creature-rabbit-gif-18115814056538656573

[true tapir]

any WA guru know how do display lingering darkness duration on luxthos WA? trying to go load -) talent -) hero talent -) click lingering darkness, but doesnt look ite its showing

[balmy condor]

does his pack already have a weakaura for it?

[balmy condor]

that's the entire pack

also that's just the load conditions

[true tapir]

oh.

[balmy condor]

nvm I'll just take a look

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

his weakaura pack doesn't have a tracker for lingering darkness

[haughty flicker]

[true tapir]

rough. I hate change lel

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not bad to add

[haughty flicker]

can probably just yoink one or add it yourself

with minimal effort

[balmy condor]

probably could just duplicate one of the buffs and just change the trigger id

duplicate the darkest night buff, change the trigger id, get rid of the glow condition, change the display icon id cause he does everything using manualicons

and uhhhhhhh

should just work

these weakauras are gigantic btw does luxthos play on like 8k

I'm on 1440p and they're like half my fucking screen

idk how people play with that

[true tapir]

weird. normal size for me

[sonic ember]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-funny-black-man-gif-12405487584384624752

[snow hamlet]

[fleet pagoda]

must not be enough cc between dh and monk 😥

[balmy condor]

cc famine

[winged sun]

My guy needs iron wire for 17s

We don’t even run them on 21s with no voice full pug

[fossil locust]

Lol. I watched this happen in front of my eyes, because I was watching a stream from my friend who was in this exact party

[worthy rose]

who tf even takes iron wire

[lethal arrow]

kill that guy

[severe oyster]

Bro and those weak auras track like every single thing and things that don't even need tracked. The effort into them is insane. Imported the DK one and my entire screen was weak auras lol

[balmy condor]

yeah that's kinda what you get for downloading random all-class streamer WA

they don't really play the class, they just kinda go through the motions

and so you end up with like

alacrity trackerss

[severe oyster]

Yeah and I'm super basic with weak auras. Just need an icon with a timer or some text. Don't need all these flashing icons etc.

[fast phoenix]

Boss ability announcement addon

[rotund oak]

KILL ME NOW

[rotund oak]

the only reason u swap 2nd shiv for IW

those sweats that cant be bothered to interrupt

[runic hinge]

need that

think of the haste optimization

[subtle tundra]

whats the sudden hate of iron wire

wtf

you guys never deserve to do damage in m+ holy shit

[rotund oak]

are u playing league now?

[subtle tundra]

no why would you think that

[rotund oak]

idk u said u quit wow,thought i should ask in an indirect way what are you playing now

but ok

so what are you playing now

[subtle tundra]

not wow

[haughty flicker]

wow

[rotund oak]

the answer ild expect from our varas

[snow hamlet]

not really, beacuse it's RNG to keep it

[rotund oak]

😂

[subtle tundra]

errr rn now im waiting for elden ring

just playing warframe when bored

also waiting for poe its getting close

[runic hinge]

its not rng when you always hit

[rotund oak]

poe 2 is omegahypers yup

im gonna uninstall retail prolly,play mop

[subtle tundra]

banned

[rotund oak]

ban me daddy

[subtle tundra]

im a certified poe2 hater

[rotund oak]

kekw

why

[subtle tundra]

fucking my poe1 up

[rotund oak]

😂

makes sense

so poe 1 new season?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[rotund oak]

poggers

[subtle tundra]

idk about mop i want to play it but depends on release date

if its in august, its fucked and i wont play

[rotund oak]

yeah prolly late august

im starting to get detached from retail tbh idk why

maybe im just getting older

maybe i should just focus on work or another game idk

[worthy fable]

Hey! Is it possible to import updates to the WA package without changing the layout or addition of my own WA within the package? Or do I need to do that manually?

@balmy condor 👀

[balmy condor]

there's options for that when you import a new version

you just have to tick the boxes

[sonic ember]

https://tenor.com/view/skateparkge-gif-27311724

[subtle tundra]

guys another person portraying me as the bad emote

[sonic pagoda]

Guys im starting to get into 15s keys now....They seems to be a wall of some sort for the majority of players here...are there any guides of like things whree defensives are necessary in the dungeons/.? or it sjust trial and errror and clenching my sphinctor and hoping heals comes through?

[royal lantern]

just wait until it turns into "iron wire is the only reason you play assa" again

[subtle tundra]

hey man r1 rio said to not play it

[rustic palm]

Hi guys i have a problem in my rogue assa ,in the boss my energy drop down fastly i dont know why

[worthy fable]

thanks

[subtle tundra]

faster than usual or just feels fast

[bright tartan]

Are you using abilities? If yes then that’s the reason

[short pine]

can someone tell me that website where i can find the timings people use their cds for bosses?

[balmy condor]

lorrgs

[short pine]

ty

need to get my parse up..

[rustic palm]

Just fast i brust put my finisher 3 time and my energy is 0

[subtle tundra]

do you have poisons on if its unusually fast?

[royal lantern]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[rustic palm]

Yes ofc poison always on

[short pine]

what was the “minor” min max % on dry shiving?

like .5% right?

[royal lantern]

smth like that ye

[short pine]

shi feels like a lot

[royal lantern]

ok......?

[balmy condor]

0.5 ain't that much in the grand scheme

[royal lantern]

if you think so

[subtle tundra]

youre taking damage from kb and putting it into an envenom

[short pine]

is there any point where we pool where it makes a significant change at all

[runic hinge]

Pool like 3 seconds before non-dm kb can be a little help

Idk if it’s a ton tho

[short pine]

ig not

[runic hinge]

Yeah .3

[short pine]

idk y i asked that cause i did actually read that

[subtle tundra]

thats alright

[short pine]

must be timings

[rustic palm]

Bro my rotation is good when i finish my brust for exemple and i dont have tea gg my energy is always 0

[subtle tundra]

yeah

if you keep pressing buttons youre gonna be out of buttons

[balmy condor]

that is how the spec works yes

[subtle tundra]

thats how the spec is

[rustic palm]

Yeah i know but my regeneration of energy is slow

Veryyy slow

[short pine]

das just how it be

!rupture

[prisma monolith]

Corrupt the Blood/Rupture Bug
Corrupt the blood can jump to mobs that are out of combat when the rupture-afflicted target changes from harmful to non-harmful
This is repeatable with mind control, but is most common on the third boss of Grim Batol when skipping the two elites before the boss.

You can avoid it by being EXTREMELY careful to not target anything when your target shifts, but otherwise not much to be done. Just be careful and aware as it is a niche bug that should not happen frequently

[balmy condor]

I mean as long as you aren't using instant poison

and you have garrote/rupture on the target

yeah

[short pine]

!sniping

idk if command

rupture snipe when u can

if u don’t already for energy

[rustic palm]

On the pack i dont have problem i snipe yes but on ST the problem

[balmy condor]

that's just how it be

spec is designed that way

[short pine]

on st that’s just how it’s going to be yeah

in m+ just make sure u got good bleeds uptime on boss

with the little energy you got

in raid only full st boss is sprocket and it shouldn’t be that bad

spec is going to be a bit slow but the hits will still be hard

and u get blindside price

procs*

other bosses w periodic adds you just gotta be on top of things and rupture snipe when adds are there like barrels during rik and adds on OAB

[rustic palm]

So im not crazy xD

[balmy condor]

I mean assa is a slow spec, you will run out

[balmy condor]

^

[rustic palm]

Noo i mean im not crazy ,like its normal thing that i got 0 energy after brust xD

[rustic palm]

Emmm niiiice

[grim jay]

I think thats legit the first time someone said its nice

[rustic palm]

Yeep tyy

[grim jay]

Usually its "duh ewww me no likey, no fun blizz change plis"

[runic hinge]

i mean

[short pine]

me asf

[runic hinge]

we do absolutely bonkers aoe and dont need cds but people wanna be able to spam and smash boss too for some reason

which i suppose i agree and want us to be perfect spec

[short pine]

i wanna say something but i fear for my life..

[short pine]

real

[grim jay]

I prefer single target over aoe aswell, but I more so meant people are crying over the gameplay, because they cant adhd spam

[runic hinge]

You can adhd spam in aoe which is a larger percentage of the dungeon but I guess it just feels worse on bosses for whatever reason

[grim jay]

People tend to focus on the negatives

[runic hinge]

couldnt be me

[grim jay]

And I think most of them wanted to raid aswell.

[grim jay]

It certainly is me sometimes, but I shall not falter

[weary iron]

Out of curiosity, dot dmg from rupture and crimson tempest updates dinamically with tier set, right?

[balmy condor]

yes

dot damage snapshotting doesn't really happen anymore and the only instances of something not updating dynamically would be the target scaling % on crimson tempest, and the buff from improved garrote

those are bonuses granted on cast that don't change

but the dot itself is still dynamic with anything else

[subtle tundra]

[grim jay]

Hybrid propagandist spotted

[subtle tundra]

i have 1.7k io

[grim jay]

Based actually

Ngl

[runic hinge]

did you get that io with bleed build

[grim jay]

No, shado pan

[runic hinge]

tru

[subtle tundra]

you stupid

celestial conduit better

[grim jay]

Noone would get the joke with that

Shado pan was the obvious choice

[strange tundra]

hi

[normal mist]

Guys I got boosted this weekend

From 0 to 2750

https://tenor.com/view/little-giants-muscles-flex-body-gif-8495707

Might as well finish all 12s now

[grim jay]

How

[grim jay]

You can, I believe in your skills and its not hard at all anymore

[normal mist]

2 guildies with 3k (healer + hunter mm) needed crests and I tagged along.
I somewhat carried my weight (2.7-3.6 overalls) but it was on my warrior, not even playing rogue

We started by doing all 10s then we did 3 12s

I've timed every single key we've done

[grim jay]

Arms or fury?

[normal mist]

Furry

[austere radish]

do you guys recommend to play the hybrid buildin TOP or does the Bleed build stay surpreme

*?

[subtle tundra]

easiest m+ season is easy
grass is green

[normal mist]

I feel like 10s = 7s during s1

[hidden bay]

What a weak Outlaw Mid-expansion article