assassination

[rotund oak]

havent seen it proc at all

[wise plume]

void ritual wont show in damage, only aura

[rotund oak]

cheers gonna check

i just waited for a visual

[wise plume]

there's two things for it: Void Ritual, which will show 99% uptime, but look for "The End is Coming".

[cobalt leaf]

so void ritual is to go corruption for raid atm as echoing bugged?

[rotund oak]

i dont think we know

[wise plume]

void or gushing for raid i guess

[rotund oak]

yup got it thx

weird though there was no visual

[gusty mirage]

It never had one

Hard for one to exist when it’s a copy and paste from s4 bfa

[rotund oak]

love u babe

and thx

[gusty mirage]

Yeah this is literally the most half cooked content ever

And it was mostly copy and paste lmao

[dapper cradle]

I sure do miss my friends zeroes, nie-ll, and varas

[royal lantern]

bro how is it copy and paste

there are potions now?????????

[gusty mirage]

There were potions in BFA

[rotund oak]

there were potions in bfa too

[gusty mirage]

Now you have to interact with them to unlock one of the masks

[royal lantern]

i legit dont get it

out of all things

fucking VISIONS comming back

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

[royal lantern]

incredible

[gusty mirage]

They should’ve just brought back the assaults

[rotund oak]

they wanted to remind boomers a bit of BFA,prolly a lore plot twist coming with some power creep from corruption

[royal lantern]

some of the worst content they did, and ofc its brought back as "fan favorite" when nobody i know ever said a single good word about them and just hated the endless grind associated with visions

[gusty mirage]

I got the backpack and mount in BFA :3

Never used either

:3

[rotund oak]

btw the tmogs are mostly from nyalotha

can remember blade of tyrants

kinda cringe coz ive got already everything

i will be takingthe mounts and thats it

[gusty mirage]

S4 bfa was a special time

Warriors and DKs pulling all of tol dogor with their Maut weapons

Just remember a DK proccing their weapon on the middle floor

And then watching legit 100 nameplates rush the two stairs

Good times

[waxen oyster]

theres a bronze backpack now

[waxen oyster]

wasnt that just guaranteed twilight dev

[gusty mirage]

Kinda, it was like echoing void with twilight dev distance in all directions

Cool weapon but holy shit was it a bad time in TD lmao

[desert vault]

starting on Bandit tonight, any particular tips, timings, etc?

[royal lantern]

dont get hit by coins or tornados

[little widget]

Snap ruptures

[desert vault]

ok, not really hard swapping, but sniping ruptures as much as possible?

[spiral pasture]

say i have a dn up and kb is at like 11 seconds, do i send shiv to buff the envenom and miss last few ticks of kb??

[waxen oyster]

wait the maut wep had a unique corruption effect?

[rocky wadi]

guys what is best lesser rune, helm enchant ?

[wise plume]

pins

[upbeat marsh]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[rocky wadi]

echoing void bugged in bad way or good way ?

[wise plume]

bad

[rocky wadi]

thanks a lot

[golden loom]

during lust on mugzee wtf

[wise plume]

big crit

[humble verge]

i think i saw me hitting like a 15,4 on lust

i dont really check my envemons at all anyways

[tall atlas]

whats the range on caustic

[regal cedar]

If playing the non kingsbane build in dungeons, is the opener just dropping kingsbane from the typical opener that uses kingsbane?

[pure moth]

Scroll a bit in pins. Info about caustic is there

[golden loom]

yeah idk it just stood out so much

felt like vexie

[humble verge]

the only thing is, i saw it hit live :3

and i was like "okay we gaming"

[runic hinge]

:3

[cyan surge]

Anyone tried m+ bleed build on reverb?

Mythic

[runic hinge]

I doubt it, that sounds awful

[cyan surge]

People not switching to barrels is awful so I had to compensate.

[silent compass]

Should i go full m+ talents for mythic rik?

[spice surge]

No, just full ST with spatter

[silent compass]

Thanks 🙂

Also i dont seem to deal good damage to rik, is it normal cuz te adds die too fast?

[pure moth]

Asking the same question back to back lol

[spice surge]

Your boss damage gets absolutely demolished if youre playing bleed

[cyan surge]

I've been 1st-5th on barrel damage and Sudden Demise have saved some close calls.

[golden loom]

LETS GO

[golden loom]

oh yeah I meant that aswell

[pure moth]

If you're really that high up on barrel damage. You may want to find a new guild.

[cyan surge]

Lol

[pure moth]

Cuz you'll run into bigger problems damage wise on add fights

[candid jasper]

Any rogue PoV m+ streams going on atm?

[golden loom]

the final seconds of the 97 parse 😎

[spice spire]

Yes I hate it

[golden loom]

problem is that the KB before this comes up just as the final gaols come up, so I held it

and then it desyncs from deathmark..

and boss was 1% when I deathmarked it

[spice spire]

[maiden bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real pike]

ayyyy gz

beat my parse like usual 🥹

guys on gally we're holding KB until he's dragged over to the second add set right

[frigid thunder]

Looking for some help on how exactly Sanguine Blades works so I can maximize it. The tooltip is somewhat confusing. Does Sanguine Blade's check for > 50% energy occur in a snapshot way when you apply Garrote, Rupture, Crimson Tempest or is it taxing you 2 energy and checking for the threshold on every tick of those abilities, or other?

[fallow canopy]

I usually do, but idk if its the right play

[coral ibex]

the latter

[fallow canopy]

Cant parse for my life in that fight, idk if top logs do some caustic shenanigans

[normal mist]

you dont really work around it BESIDES when you use it on M+ ST fights with bleed build, where you try to be above 150 energy outside of cds

[real pike]

looking at loorgs I think it's right

[frigid thunder]

thanks, just wanted to make sure whether I really only needed to be above threshold on bleed application or just as much as possible, makes sense

[fallen orbit]

today vexie mythic

36 mil crit

[spice spire]

Well yeah that’s a GIGA amp tho

[candid jasper]

I'm struggling to find the option on raidbots to change my embelishments

[balmy condor]

Hit the + on your crafted item

[hard sparrow]

do horrific vision enchants proc differently for other specs? because outlaw rogue twilight devestation giga-gaps my assa echoing void in ST. guide says echoing void is better in ST

[balmy condor]

Pins

[hard sparrow]

aah

[real pike]

man I badly need to watch some sin pov gally kills

so dumb at trying to work out how to play the add sets and movement

[silent compass]

I definetly need to work on everything

[restive glade]

doing m sprocket tonight, outside of cds on cd and do mechanics any other tech/wisdom? 🦧

[restive glade]

link parse (I’m mid but probably can help)

[silent compass]

Whats that xD

[restive glade]

the logs link

[silent compass]

Ohh k

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/burning-legion/leirogue?partition=2

I know im not good but i didnt expect to be in the last 4%

[autumn frost]

Vexie for better parse, deathmark no pot on pull. Then save deathmark when it comes back up for all plates down.

Make sure you're always standing on the ads

so caustic cleaves

rupture snipe if you find yourself low on energy

Cauldron, make sure you're standing in between both bosses during intermission.

so you can caustic them

I think

[rocky zodiac]

Gushing wounds only good in ST or in raidfights in general?

[autumn frost]

also cd's during intermission at least kingbane is nice. you can use vanish to change.

[manic quartz]

So whats the echoing void bug?

[buoyant herald]

It does no damage

[autumn frost]

For rik reverb, pop your cds when the first set of barrels go down

waiting doesn't hurt yhour damage

[buoyant herald]

Probably ~a quarter of what it should

[white kindle]

Blizzard is trolling, right? how. how can they screw up everytime. they're no indie..

every indie comp is better in qm

[autumn frost]

since each intermission is so long you're only going to get 1 deathmark and 2 kingsbane

[fallen orbit]

or use after 3 charges the crit one then switch targets it also trasfers the mark

[white kindle]

so we need two diffrent enchants.. one for raid one for m+.. T.T

[buoyant herald]

What

[fallen orbit]

i treid clasutic on cauldron but its not that good

[real pike]

that won't be causing a 4 parse

it'll be rotation

[autumn frost]

Make sure to get your deathmark back up on the last two barrel sets if your team is struggling since those are the ones that the groups tend to struggle most

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter nearly enough

[restive glade]

notes (it blows on mobile so might b missing some things)

• on opener you didn’t get ambush in to get deathstalker mark - miss a LOT of dmg
  -your burst rotation is wrong: bleeds on target, en venom deathmark shiv kb shiv and spam envenoms in window

I’d check ur positioning but can’t on mobile

[buoyant herald]

Bro one meaning less enchant doesn’t work as intended, go use another one that’s like 0.1% worse on sims

And be at peace

[waxen oyster]

guys can someone read corruption pin to me in chatgpt

/j

[silent compass]

Oh im gonna need a lot of stuff to change

I was using hekili for better rotation tbh

[coral ibex]

people always say that hekili works if you configure it right but then we get hekili users with incorrect rotations asking what they're doing wrong

[autumn frost]

Do you have plater profile to know if you have deathstalker's mark on someone?

[buoyant herald]

Hekili is not your problem with a 4

[red schooner]

Bandit 12%, surely we kill soon

Surely

[restive glade]

burst rotation being wrong + no deathstalker mark is big main problems I notice (sure there’s others but mobile wow logs pain)

[autumn frost]

I mean if he had deathstalker's mark up

that 4% probably goes up like 20%

Although with rik it's not apply once and forget

[silent compass]

Vanish to proc right?

[autumn frost]

you can lose it

well first one should just be stealth

and ambush

first move always is ambush

in raid

afterwards yes vanish to reproc

first move after vanish has to be ambush

[silent compass]

Got it, will try it on stix now

[autumn frost]

our entire spec is about playing around deathstalker's mark

[rocky zodiac]

is raidbots updated with the bugged corruptions?

[bleak dune]

Hi Guys , Soo most ppl are changing the circle against a myth track ring .. but for me its sims so bad... idk

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kCfwoQBt5ES7uboSVvVGmv

[autumn frost]

You're simming dungeon slice

not patchwork

[golden loom]

the first KB on gally, where do you send it?

on adds?

I am on de-enrage duty 😎

[autumn frost]

i use non circle in raid and circle in M+

[real pike]

oh no

first one def not

second one arguably? but it's my first night

[golden loom]

first shiv lines up perfectly

cause its a dry shiv that also dispells enrage

[bleak dune]

@autumn frost oh so circle is in m+ still better?

[golden loom]

I am not sure how to do the 2nd one tho

[autumn frost]

For me

But you have to sim yourself

i'm near max gear

Well max gear unless i kill gally

[bleak dune]

i did sim myself but i dont understand why it would be better , if i calc the stats , the myth track ring should be better

[autumn frost]

Some of the circlet stuff probably procs more with more ads

which is why there's a difference between dungeonslice and patchwerk

[silent compass]

Well i did hit an avg of 1.5m on stix...

[real pike]

second KB seems to be dropped around 1.14-1.24 mostly

on loorgs

I assume it's on the boss and cleaving

[autumn frost]

For stix, shiv after applying deathmark

and then 40 seconds in start your rotation on ads

when i say ads

hit the boss

but your caustic cleaves onto the ads

[silent compass]

1.7m avg now

[real pike]

just want raid to end so I can watch some rogue gally povs and work out wtf I'm supposed to be doing

[autumn frost]

when i say after. i don't think immediately after. I think aiming for when you get the 7 combopoint thingie that you do it

[solar wyvern]

2nd kb is delayed cause it lines up with his big aoe burst

So you'd be wasting it if u sent on cd

[real pike]

can just cloak the burst hehe

but better to delay a bit and send with the adds cleaving I guess

I'm just not very good

end up scuffing it somehow

[golden loom]

okay once I learn these shiv timings to perfection it will be chill

glad that Arterial precision has the longest range in the game tho

[runic hinge]

Better chain lightning

[spice spire]

Yeah this is why I chain pull??

[runic hinge]

You can chain pull deeze nuts

Also I’ve literally never complained

Let’s be clear

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Lemme take a propaganda

[balmy condor]

It’s dungeonslice and your alternative is a crit heavy ring

It just doesn’t want the crit

[vocal cedar]

So. I am trying to learn to play Assassination. I am playing the Forced Induction build and after I ramp up and go into my burst (after mark and kings) my game just freezes for like 2-5 seconds. As soon as I envenom.

Does anyone know what's up with that?

Is that a thing? It seems to just be happening on my Ass rogue. I have gone on other classes and tried doing things on Sub and nothing.

[nimble tartan]

might be an interaction with dn

[runic hinge]

Never heard of it

What’s dn

[nimble tartan]

deez…

nuts……

[runic hinge]

[nimble tartan]

[wanton zephyr]

Game is letting the other dps catch up

[silent compass]

If i knew i was gonna struggle with assas this much i wouldnt have built rogue xD

[acoustic roost]

Tbf you’re going into some of the hardest content in the game without knowing your rotation and how to play. Ofc it’s overwhelming lol

[mortal crystal]

Trying to figure out why my in combat application of Deathstalker's Mark wiffs 50% of the time. Tried a stopattack macro for Vanish and it's still happens frequently. Known issue?

[silent compass]

That really sucks, i thought rogue would be easy when i first started building it

[nimble tartan]

i suggest playing demon hunter

[real pike]

once you get the hang of sin it's pretty easy

but rough entry

[silent compass]

I play regular hunter if that counts

[silent compass]

Total of 6 days played, i think i need more time

[real pike]

target dummy is your friend

once you have the opening rotation down

you're golden

[waxen oyster]

i think you mean ret paladin

[nimble tartan]

i love ret

[silent compass]

Well i hit 2M on a dummy in about a total of 3 minutes i think?

[waxen oyster]

make sure the dummy hp doesnt go down into execute range

[silent compass]

Why?

[waxen oyster]

Read zoldyck

and blindside

[haughty flicker]

dummy always in perma execute

cant get a realistic damage number

[waxen oyster]

Sin damage is noticeably higher.

In execute range

[silent compass]

Ohh got it

[waxen oyster]

you also get way more free ambushes

so it feels faster

[silent compass]

Also why is fatebound not viable?

[balmy condor]

Half the talents get explicitly worse with more targets

[distant helm]

it is in st, as soon as theres adds deathstalker is just better usually (which is 90% of the raid)

[waxen oyster]

Never forget they took flensing knives from us.

To give.....poor man's inkpod

[balmy condor]

Bugged inkpod even

[runic hinge]

How far behind is it? Wondering if I can take it to a quakewar 12

[balmy condor]

But the bug is so stupid and inconsequential no one cares

[balmy condor]

26% in dslice

[runic hinge]

Hot diggity I was hoping you’d say 15

That’s uhh

Not good

[prime hull]

Crimson tempest is super good on bandit, why did no one play it for prog?

[waxen oyster]

yeah it does no numbers

[prime hull]

You can hit 2 reel assistants + boss with it consistently.

[waxen oyster]

I think most people are too lazy

[prime hull]

The positioning is quite precise yeah.

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that too

[bold nimbus]

is someone using gushing wound as well? echoing void seems bugged

[waxen oyster]

use tdev for vibes

[wise plume]

it is bugged

use ritual or dev

[waxen oyster]

Void ritual chads

[bold nimbus]

rly?

[waxen oyster]

better execute

[balmy condor]

Gushing wounds is fine, echoing is bugged

[bold nimbus]

wushing good is doing 0.4% right now instead of 0.2% in raid xd

gushing*

its something

[waxen oyster]

It really doesnt matter what you use

they're all dogpiss

[bold nimbus]

yea i guess

[swift bluff]

Plus they’re lessers

[bold nimbus]

just annoyed because they tell me so and I was like

oh, indie company

[swift bluff]

Not worth losing sleep over

[balmy condor]

Would be interested in seeing what your overall is like because plenty of people tried it and it was pretty horrendous boss damage

[waxen oyster]

whispyr is gonna implode

when the belt comes

[balmy condor]

And that’s coming from me, the biggest CT believer

Even I didn’t believe in bandit CT

And I played it on rik lmao

[waxen oyster]

bad comp for booty

big ct value

[haughty flicker]

i played ct on rik

[waxen oyster]

What do you even drop for CT in vv build

[haughty flicker]

for 5 pulls then i got swapped to boomkin

[sharp viper]

VV

[waxen oyster]

oh i figured

[lucid silo]

play full bleed m+ build on rik like a man

[sharp viper]

[waxen oyster]

i accidentally was talented into bleed build for hc vexie

That was something

[umbral sierra]

Whispyr i see in pins and wowhead that signet and house of cards are = Also seeing seaforium pacemaker is a good 2ndary trinket option, is this because 2x on use is troll?

[wise plume]

2x is troll

[haughty flicker]

yes two on use is not great

[wise plume]

house/pace | signet/pace

[balmy condor]

Your second on use would buff nothing

[waxen oyster]

pacemaker is kind of an on use

[umbral sierra]

I also am sitting on a hero track eye of kezan for raid, should i just take a myth signet and ignore the seaforium myth track

[waxen oyster]

if you think about it

[coral ibex]

??

what do you mean

you just spend 7cp on an envenom with DN to apply the marks

[waxen oyster]

like its an on use if it didnt share trinket cds

[coral ibex]

and ambush before combat if you dont have it yet

[waxen oyster]

and you just had it macroed to your entire spellbook

[exotic hearth]

For Rik do you had swap to barrels or just cleave from boss?

[velvet cairn]

rupture snipe only

[haughty flicker]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[coral ibex]

there's no reason to have a stop attack macro for vanish

[waxen oyster]

What is this vanilla

[balmy condor]

stop attack and start attack in 2025

[haughty flicker]

im gonna play ct on oab tomorrow

mr john rogue has inspired me

surely it goes well

[mortal crystal]

If the mark is lost due to death, mechanics, or any other reason*

[coral ibex]

you ambush in stealth

[lucid silo]

maybe you do, but i stealth in ambush

[haughty flicker]

just dont die or do mechanics

lmao

[waxen oyster]

💀

[haughty flicker]

although there also isnt any mechanic that would make you lose dn anyway

[waxen oyster]

How do you lose mark

due to "mechanics"

[haughty flicker]

like only possible one is rik if you enter intermission with darkest night

[waxen oyster]

Only one i can think of is if you didnt think on rik

[haughty flicker]

instead of having mark on him

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[velvet cairn]

can lose mark on top with fake death

[haughty flicker]

but just dont do that

[waxen oyster]

Which fake death

[velvet cairn]

like first boss adds

[haughty flicker]

im thinking specifically about raid

[velvet cairn]

o

[haughty flicker]

but yeah top first boss doesnt actually die so you need to move mark off them

[waxen oyster]

Oh right

i usually play sub in top so i forgor

[velvet cairn]

yee

i think vexie is fixed tho

or

[waxen oyster]

man vexie got hands

she meleed me and got my cheat

once

[haughty flicker]

i respect that she doesnt try to run away or beg or anything when 20 people rip her tank apart

she just starts throwing hands

goes down like a real one

[waxen oyster]

Well all the other bikers just give up

when you damage their bikes enough

[haughty flicker]

yeah they're cowards

[velvet cairn]

bikers u also lose mark on

btw

[waxen oyster]

well you guys swap to bikers?

[haughty flicker]

ive never hit a bike in my life

its either in caustic range or not my problem

[velvet cairn]

i tried once when i thought i could do double mark thingy

[waxen oyster]

REAL

[velvet cairn]

but it was a big int

[vagrant brook]

I just lost mark today on oab reclear

[waxen oyster]

its good that nowadays

vanish is a safety net

for that

[gray hazel]

Checked mulok io and it seems everyone is now playing the Hybrid FI build in keys.

[velvet cairn]

i tried it today it pumps hard, cinderbrew i got to like 17m in burst

[waxen oyster]

ehh it does less aoe

than bleed

but more st

[gray hazel]

Wonder if it’s really that good, I’ve enjoyed bleed but man the ST is abysmal

That’s insane

[waxen oyster]

I mean bleed st isnt THAT bad

[buoyant herald]

It should have a higher ceiling for aoe with big big pulls

[gray hazel]

I’m looking forward to trying it in 12s this week

[waxen oyster]

I got like 1.9m on second boss in priory

[buoyant herald]

The reason more people are playing it is because more people are playing it

[waxen oyster]

dont look at the boss died at the end of cds

[gray hazel]

Does seem simpler with it being a envenom bot

[gray hazel]

lol!

[waxen oyster]

I mean bleed's st isnt that shit

[velvet cairn]

St pretty valid too since with every comp in game doing giga aoe

[gray hazel]

I’ve seen shin do some bleed in 18s, so now that I’m rolling into 15s I know it’s still viable

Will prob just try to get more st classes in group to help

[buoyant herald]

Well yeah it definitely fits into closer-to-meta comps better as well

The good thing is you can play what you like until like 19s

[waxen oyster]

Like im not sure how people are only doing barely over 1m

literally afk or something

[haughty flicker]

good for big pulls and big bosses

[velvet cairn]

this was my cinderbrew 16

i felt good

[haughty flicker]

down here i have neither

[buoyant herald]

They’re bad and they don’t know it

[gray hazel]

That’s dope

[velvet cairn]

with force induc build

[gray hazel]

How important is KB to it?

[buoyant herald]

Yes

[velvet cairn]

like sure not best players but i did by far most damage to every mob

[gray hazel]

Is it if you mess up you’ll be bottom barrel

[velvet cairn]

kb comes naturally tho

[buoyant herald]

I mean KB is like 15m per use

[velvet cairn]

not something u fail imo, i missed like 3 sec uptime on a kb

[buoyant herald]

Backloaded damage

[gray hazel]

Maybe for you, I’m a boomer and if takes me a bit to readjust to it lol

[waxen oyster]

cinderbrew is kind of fucky

[gray hazel]

Even with raiding

[buoyant herald]

Spattering at 40% to how many mobs

[waxen oyster]

since 3/4 bosses aren't true ST

[gray hazel]

Boss 4 is

[velvet cairn]

comes with practice, played rogue since SL so im adjusted

[waxen oyster]

Yeah the only one

first boss you get inflated opener due to a fat ct

second and third both have adds

[gray hazel]

Oh I know. I’ve played it since van. But that’s just be, the smallest change takes me a bit to get used to lmao

[velvet cairn]

who touch adds on ipa honestly

i rupture snipe and squeeze a CT tops

[fallow canopy]

Snapshot CT goes huge on Ipa

[gray hazel]

Bleed build on ipa owns hah

[waxen oyster]

I touch them if they line up with a vanish

otherwise yeah gl

cinderbrew and priory both can net you dummy high overalls

as dungeons though

5m priory without a single relevant buff 😂

also dumb goober healer let me die to radiant channel 2x

[thorn thorn]

Shoulda cloaked it

[waxen oyster]

nah i did one

[thorn thorn]

Unlucky

[waxen oyster]

and cycled evasion vial on another

dead through

dude's jerking it on the other monitor

[thorn thorn]

What healer was it

[waxen oyster]

mw

[velvet cairn]

should've feinted smh

[thorn thorn]

No cocoon???

[waxen oyster]

oh wait he gave me cum bubble after my cloak on one

[thorn thorn]

Cum bubble is crazy

[waxen oyster]

Still 5m deco

with only monk buff at best

highly doubt he was debuffing half the time

[thorn thorn]

Friendly reminder that if you play with a devoker use tricks on them so you can do more overall than them

[waxen oyster]

or ret pala

[velvet cairn]

works on arcane mages too

[haughty flicker]

me playing with an arcane mage and a dev

with pug tanks

[waxen oyster]

why is an arcane mage in melee

hold up

[velvet cairn]

they giga burst a target

tricks it and burst too

4head

[waxen oyster]

im more like

they're not in melee range+have like 7 defensives

how die

[thorn thorn]

Tricks whoever is ahead of you

[velvet cairn]

cause all mages are not using defensives

[haughty flicker]

they arent dying but they have to run away while tank fails to realize the mob isnt on them

[waxen oyster]

From my experience

all mages arent using dps buttons either

on average

[haughty flicker]

[velvet cairn]

[thorn thorn]

Mages in general arent pressing buttons

Delete class

[velvet cairn]

++++++++

[waxen oyster]

I've had so many pug mages where i end overall

at least 1m ahead of them

[velvet cairn]

i had a mage in priory 15 that was on par with a warrior tank

[wise plume]

ive had arcane mages absolutely bbq my dmg in recent keys

[waxen oyster]

Well warrior is one of the higher damage tanks

but yeah still funny

[velvet cairn]

yeah but then i should bring two warriors

smile

[waxen oyster]

It's probably warrior at the highest

unless bdk procs bloodbeast

at good times

[velvet cairn]

also another mage in ML that did prot pala dmg

which also does more but aint okay

[thorn thorn]

Just dont invite mages

[waxen oyster]

ppal seems to do less damage

now that they arent playing lightsmith

[thorn thorn]

Dont invite evokers either, as an evoker player

We are griefers

If you want lust bring blue class or hunter

[wise plume]

dont invite priests either

[waxen oyster]

bruh the number of times i witness raid terrorism

[wise plume]

resto shams only

[waxen oyster]

9/10 times i see a dragon

flying across my screen

[velvet cairn]

my evoker in raid rescues me out of melee

i hate it

[haughty flicker]

you have no idea how many times i got knocked to my death by an evoker pressing hover during sprocket intermission

and flying into the other group

[waxen oyster]

You know what's big brain

rescue your unholy dk's bloodbeast

right before it explodes

[thorn thorn]

They tryna shield you and themselves

[velvet cairn]

na trolling

we are already trolling hard on sprocket

[thorn thorn]

Use neural silencer

[waxen oyster]

Fun story

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

our dev first time he learned rescue was an ability

rescues the ret pala into rasza's lightning breath

just enough on the edge not to die to it himself

[thorn thorn]

I have never once trolled with racials or rescue cuz im a good Smartian

Except once

And it was cuz I did this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/650765025623015455/1356331532700225731/6FLQfnP4PvB_nIw5jj_7dA-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif?=

[velvet cairn]

super valid

[waxen oyster]

is racial still 3min for evokers?

[velvet cairn]

i usually bait mines into other melee and vanish and hope they focus close guy

[thorn thorn]

3m default but reduced to 1m with talents

Dracthyr get push only on a 3m cd

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[thorn thorn]

Dracthyr is bis simply because you can push bombs into people without being evoker

[waxen oyster]

being dracthyr on warrior is fun for that

[thorn thorn]

Thats why my rogue is drac

[waxen oyster]

ignore all knocks

ever

I had a guy try to knock me off in open world twice

only to glide back

[thorn thorn]

Glide op racial

[waxen oyster]

It really is

[thorn thorn]

Evoker has given me a crippling addiction to having access to glide

[waxen oyster]

the only downside is you basically have a dumb armory/rio picture

and login screen one

perma

[thorn thorn]

So all my alts are classes that only dracthyr can be or have glide (dh)

But im not a dh player so

[waxen oyster]

because you cant visage outside of game

glide isnt that crazy on rogue though

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

man everyone is making me stray away from getting Intel cpu

[balmy condor]

good

intel sucks

[lucid silo]

everything sucks

[drifting cloud]

I suck

[balmy condor]

they were complacent in pushing out near worthless upgrades for almost 2 decades and now realize that if they won't innovate AMD will mop the floor with their ass but now they're behind and flailing

[loud hawk]

how do i make my kingsbane on weakaura show the cd timer like (8.2) instead of 8

[balmy condor]

the consequences of my own actions oh nooooo

[gentle finch]

hey! quick question: for 13's and 14's, do I use the bleed build or the hybrid one?

[frozen glacier]

who is worse though intel or comcast

[lucid silo]

comcast

intel in general still makes a fine working product

[buoyant herald]

Bleed

[humble verge]

looking at these 3

[runic hinge]

When where and how hard

[fallow canopy]

[humble verge]

this is what im currently looking at in my shopping cart

[runic hinge]

Get an x3d chip

[azure dirge]

is echoing void still bugged?

[humble verge]

its around 1200 bucks

[humble verge]

yeah but idont need it tho

[runic hinge]

Better for gaming tho

[strong wigeon]

3d cache works well with wow

[humble verge]

the thing is

[balmy condor]

get an x3d

[humble verge]

its like 90 more bcusk

[balmy condor]

like I promise

[humble verge]

bucks

[strong wigeon]

worth it

[humble verge]

id probably have to get a new cooler tho

since the one i have is like

9 years old lol

[balmy condor]

last gen x3d is better than current gen non x3d

it's value

I promise

[humble verge]

so id have to add like 100 bucks in cooler

[strong wigeon]

50 bucks deepcool new air coolers

[fallow canopy]

Bro get a phantom assassin for like 40$

[humble verge]

i dont live in the US

i get like

[fallow canopy]

Those bad buds go crazy

[humble verge]

25VAT on that shit

[humble verge]

this will prolly be like 100 for me

[fallow canopy]

Well damn

[runic hinge]

Yeah the x3d is worth it

[humble verge]

and the phantom dont even exist here

atleast not on the websites i use nationally

[strong wigeon]

the 3d cache stores so much data in it that youend up witha 40% improvement

[fallow canopy]

Theres another one with a similar name

Phantom spirit i think

[humble verge]

oh that shows up

actually

hm ok nvm its around like

40 bucks

[fallow canopy]

Never used or heard anyone I know use them but those are supposed to be basically equal to the assassin and the assassin slaps

[humble verge]

~60*

nvm

so

if i get the CHEAPEST

x3d

which is 7800

ends up being like uh

~1700

[runic hinge]

Perfect

[vagrant brook]

banger

fuck rtx 5000s tho

but banger

[vocal cedar]

Am I supposed to keep Crimson Tempest up on single target?

I feel so drained in single target when I am doing keys.

[brittle shuttle]

depends on build, in bleed yes, in all others no

[red schooner]

Gonna happen, we just get energy starved single target

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest wouldn't really drain your energy to begin with

[fresh mica]

does anyone know why my dk gets out of my shroud out of nowhere?

[sonic schooner]

i'd go 9070xt if you planned to go 5070. Or just throw little bit more monni for a 5070ti

but as always, depends on what you wanna do with it and how much you need nvidia technology. Specially now price are going crazy down i wouldnt call the 5070 a bad card anymore

[vocal cedar]

Yeah. Those were meant to be two seperate statements. Single target feels bad in this non-bleed build and I didn't know if I was supposed to CT on single target.

[spice surge]

If you have amplifying poison specced you do not CT on ST

[runic hinge]

What if I have amp and no dtb

Don’t answer that I’m being stupid

[haughty flicker]

unless

[thorn thorn]

I thought you just never CT in ST ever

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-you-thought-wrong-donkey-gif-14966485

[thorn thorn]

Does bleed build CT in ST or has my life been a lie

[runic hinge]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

bleed build does indeed ct in st

[thorn thorn]

MY LIFE IS A LIE

[balmy condor]

I WRITE GUIDE AND FOR WHAT

[thorn thorn]

Sorry whispyr I read guide but apparently I missed that part

Actually thats a lie I cant read

[haughty flicker]

whenever i see someone who talks here regularly miss something simple like that i get paranoid and reread the guide in case i missed something simple

and just never realized

[thorn thorn]

I just look at the images of the opener and rotation

[thorn thorn]

I talk here regularly but I am a new rogue player

Buddy I play Aug and Pres do you actually think I read anything

[haughty flicker]

im so sorry

[thorn thorn]

I was originally gonna be outlaw scum

But then I realized my average apm was gonna be like 60 lower than it should be

[haughty flicker]

yeah i played outlaw until shadowlands

then i got old

[thorn thorn]

How long have you been playing the game

[haughty flicker]

start of mists

technically i played in late cata but it was just me making a gnome rogue called wrinkledew on my aunts account and playing it a bit

im not actually old im just dead inside so it feels like it

[strange python]

Hey for pooling are we letting envenom buff drop to keep above 50% energy?

[runic hinge]

There’s a priority list on wowhead

[hollow talon]

Outlaw was playable up to DF

The spec is a mistake now

[strange python]

So pooling isnt a priority

[balmy condor]

Pooling is one of the last things in the rotation, yes

[hollow talon]

!pooping

[haughty flicker]

[strange python]

Oh I see it under aoe

Ty

[gloomy heart]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-gif-7209139650885872209

[humble verge]

i was looking at just maybe buying 7600

its half the price of 7800x3d

not that bad either

[lost wharf]

I know there are weakauras which help you track which potion in a vision is poison, but Idk how to find out initially which one is the poison

[hollow talon]

The one by the dead body straight ahead when you spawn in

Is the bad one

[worn geyser]

on fights in which u need to hit a far-ish add with spatter, where are u supposed to stand in order to maximize spatter range? does it matter? - I know its 12 yards around the boss but the extra part in the pins confuses me on certain bosses, it basically only applies really to bosses that have massive models and even larger hit boxes right? so 12 yards around boss, then 12 yards around me while also being in melee range of boss?

[lost wharf]

Ty

[worn geyser]

like mugzee gaols, it doesnt really matter where u stand just matters boss is within 12 yard radius of the gaols

[runic hinge]

The x3d extra first cache size makes it super good for any gaming you want to do and especially good for wow because wow is so cpu dependent

[vagrant brook]

get x3d enjoy wow with no stutters

[runic hinge]

For real

[lost wharf]

Everytime I think about upgrading my PC I feel scammed. I have a 3080 and an i9. I tried to play Expedition 33 and still get screen tearing and frame drops on medium settings. It feels like I have to buy very expensive hardware to make up for bad coding.

[radiant mantle]

Hey Friends, Havoc DH Main here - playing assa in our mythic alt raid and I got a couple questions, I hope this is the right place:

1. I have a feeling I'm pressing mutilate way too much and not pooling correctly compared to other rogues in replays I've seen. Whats the correct way to pool when i dont get my cds up soon? I feel like sometimes I just have no energy, no ambush proc and i cant do anything for a while (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184159324126322799/1374879402717876294/image.png?ex=682fa7b9&is=682e5639&hm=dc9f62fa337a0d0c4cb5329bfe0936c61b36b96080f64616cfb9dc2d4f194982&) is that normal or what is my misplay there?
2. is it correct to use my fan of knives deathstalker procs or using fan of knives to finish a 7p mutilate for darkest night? when I checked top logs, some rogues dont use fok at all?
3. how do you manage energy with sending 2 teas in the opener? i feel like if i send 2 im super energy starved after my 1 min kingsbane and my damage falls off
   4 and last: any other pointers for me (I know i royally fucked my execute deathmark) if someone wants to go over a replay? (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7w36R8TFm1pWvyNQ?fight=60&type=damage-done) I feel like im doing fine generally, especially the first bosses, but theres some basics im lacking apparently - help is appreciated

[gritty laurel]

1. being energy starved in single target is part of the spec. it's a bit better in raid build, but still happens. only pool a bit right before kingsbane windows, always go into KB with envenom buff up
2. if you spec into vicious venoms, you don't use clear the witnesses proc in single target. otherwise, you do
3. you macro tea to shiv and forget the button exists. don't play around it
4. there are much better rogues in this server who do log reviews

[humble verge]

ok but like

for 2x the price

[runic hinge]

Yeah and then you don’t spend money for years. Think of it as a once a decade purchase and it doesn’t feel as bad

[daring basalt]

Guys, my shiv+tea macro stopped working, this happened to anyone else?

[spice surge]

Do you have thistle tea in your bank

[daring basalt]

let me check

[woven prairie]

if u macro thistle tea into shiv, and only have 1 thistle tea charge you'll waste it on first part of Kingsbane tho

[lost wharf]

No way that's a thing, are you for real?

[hollow talon]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-good-morning-love-messages-gif-25662378

[haughty flicker]

[fallow canopy]

[spice surge]

Doesnt matter

[gritty laurel]

tea usage has been tied to shiv for this entire xpac, not to kingsbane. shiv just happens to be tied to kingsbane

[spice surge]

Envenom is what does the damage

Not kingsbane

[woven prairie]

I mean, it matters a little 😄

[spice surge]

No

[thorn thorn]

[gritty laurel]

i'd listen to eleem on this one

[hollow river]

ye its real

[daring basalt]

No tea in the bank

[lost wharf]

Should start a petition to rename the spec from Assa to Envenom: The Spec

[thorn thorn]

Its already there

[lost wharf]

Although there is a viable bleed build for m+

[woven prairie]

there's literally no way there's not a 100dps increase from tea on second part of kingsbane tho, math doesnt add up, if everything else is the same ( envenom )

[fallow canopy]

[vagrant brook]

don't we love tea feelycrafting

[woven prairie]

like even if KB is 10 dmg adding 3% to that 10 dmg is still a 0.3dmg increase

[vagrant brook]

[spice surge]

Well if you dont have energy early on in your KB

Its better to use teas and envenom early on so youll stack it up faster

[daring basalt]

Well, I'll go get a tea bind again

[spice surge]

But again, it doesnt matter

The sim cant tell it apart

[gritty laurel]

even assuming you're 100% correct and nothing else factors into play, you're talking about .0001% or less optimization on a spec that has ~13% variance to begin with

[shy sorrel]

Is it fine to go under 50% energy in Bleedbuild ST?

[fallow canopy]

The guide in wowhead has a set of conditions/priorities with bleed build and one of those points talks about that

Can't recall from memory what it says but you can find it there

[radiant mantle]

i feel like in longer fights when i need to pool for KB windows im not pressing any button for a long time, like more than a couple secs even and it feels super weird as someone who plays a class where i press sth every global

earlier bosses usually die pretty quick so i dont run into energy starve problems quite as often

[spice surge]

Welcome to assassination

[radiant mantle]

and feel like my rotation is smoother

[lost wharf]

That's just how the spec is

[spice surge]

Energy or tea just doesnt matter, just hit mutilate or envenom whenever you have energy for it. (only minor minor thing is holding slightly before KB)

[shy sorrel]

I saw Fight style m+ but under the ST category so that's why I was unsure

[oak musk]

question: I should ONLY 7 cp envenom with darknest night? and stick to 5-6 for everything else?

[vagrant brook]

if you have to refresh bleeds, cosume darkest night, or use cds, you can go under 50%
otherwise the damage from sanguine blades is better than using mut-envenom

[shy sorrel]

Why do we send at 5cp instead of 6 like Sub does?

[spice surge]

Mutilate gives more cp

[shy sorrel]

Thank you my man

[spice surge]

And also assa doesnt get energy refunded based on cp spent like sub does

[fallow canopy]

There is also one for m+/st I'm pretty sure

[fleet pagoda]

last I knew we liked sending 7 point envenoms after shiv with FI, otherwise it's 5-7 outside of DN

[royal lantern]

huh

no we didnt "liked" that

[spice surge]

Get to 7 for darkest night, otherwise 5+

[royal lantern]

just 5+ for everything

and ofc 7 for DN

[fleet pagoda]

lmao like a month ago that's what i said and somebody, mo maybe? said it was incorrect

[oak musk]

sometimes I accidentally burn my darkest night without a shiv buff and thats because im bad

[royal lantern]

??? what ???

whats the connection to DN and shiv lol

[oak musk]

huge envenoms

[royal lantern]

thats not what you do lol

[oak musk]

Oh I misunderstood the shindig video I was watching then

[fallow canopy]

St bleed build

[oak musk]

Like I said, im bad

[runic hinge]

Boli I cannot read. Do no expect me to start today

[lost wharf]

Which of the 3 is the one you should focus in ToP first boss?

[fallow canopy]

I can't read either I stumbled upon that by coincidence

The wonders of life

[oak musk]

got it, thanks!

[thorn thorn]

He just like me fr

[vagrant brook]

i focus the caster cause the nameplate is pink

[fresh kelp]

anyone ever had their 7cp DN envenom crit with the damage boost but not apply the mark and instead refresh DN

[runic hinge]

Yeah I focus caster so I can kick at the same time as everyone else

[fresh kelp]

on a raid boss so mob didn't die

[fallow canopy]

Happens when the target moves a bit too far

[reef crow]

whats the move for lesser corruptions or does it matter for lesser?

[runic hinge]

Yeah that happened to me twice the other day and I yelled in discord

[runic hinge]

I think there’s pins

[fresh kelp]

he was standing still

ig i was moving

[thorn thorn]

Could be worse

Could just eat the proc and not apply mark

[fallow canopy]

Could be, it happened to me regularly during sprocket big movement after the 1st laser part

[fresh kelp]

ye I just thought i accidentally didn't have 7cp when I pressed in the moment

[fallow canopy]

Free DN ig

[fresh kelp]

only watching it back did i see it

[wise plume]

[thorn thorn]

Pumper

[worn geyser]

i might be mad geeking, but ive tried re-reading pin like a million times and think i got it but can anyone tell me if this is an incorrect understanding of spatter range ?

[balmy condor]

that is indeed incorrect

[worn geyser]

w

[balmy condor]

well

actually maybe it's right

there's a lot of circles

[oak musk]

yeah its called caustic spatter not caustic splash kek

[worn geyser]

my paint skills are not great

[gritty laurel]

wtb caustic tidal wave so i don't have to position at all

[balmy condor]

yes okay

[runic hinge]

30 yard range on caustic

[balmy condor]

it's right

you're correct

too many circles for my brain

but yes

[worn geyser]

sorry for confusing drawing , my brain was also melted making it

thank you

[balmy condor]

yeah

the easier way to explain it

is if black circle is inside red circle

your positioning doesn't matter at all

and if the black circle is outside the red circle, it's red circle + the overlap of green + black

[worn geyser]

right so any boss with a hitbox size smaller than 12 yards basically it doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

yah

[worn geyser]

and like on gally, ideally you would have the mobs between you and the boss while still attacking the boss right, if theyre out of boss melee range then sucks to suck ?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[worn geyser]

w my goat

[balmy condor]

but technically like

okay let me paint

[worn geyser]

lmao

[gritty laurel]

this is getting good

[haughty flicker]

new whispyr art

[worthy rose]

have you guys done the horrific visions crap yet

which headchants did you choose

[vagrant brook]

i chose the one that simmed highest for me in a raiding setting that wasn't echoing void

[balmy condor]

make a big ass hypothetical like this

it actually doesn't matter if you're between the adds

since the logic technically allows for two circles like that

what matters is that you're standing central

think about it like you're casting CT

or fok

that's the player circle

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

it's just bounded by the max hitrange of the boss

so no matter where you stand, if I move the black circle in

you should still be standing central to the adds

[worn geyser]

okay actually this picture clears alot of confusion i had about like overlap, and like if ur like inside of melee range and not just standing perma at max range

[humble verge]

30 BC

[balmy condor]

in this specific drawing you'd be wiffing 4 adds

but like just imagine you're not whiffing

cause I'm not redrawing it

if you're standing in the center of the clump

pressing fok

it's the same thing

it's just bounded like this

but no matter how you move, you're never hitting the back adds right

so as long as you're standing in a way where CT/Fok would hit the most adds

you're automatically also hitting the majority

[grave trail]

Can you do the ELI 5 version now

Possible ELI 2

[balmy condor]

hit boss

[worn geyser]

ah yes ok this makes sense since they are never within that range, but like hypothetically you could move inward a bit towards boss and it would spatter behind you to still hit that middle add as well but not outside of boss hitbox

[balmy condor]

caustic will splash

job done

[worn geyser]

w

[grave trail]

If I see numbers coming out of adds around means im good but what if I dont

[balmy condor]

then you don't see numbers

[grave trail]

Does it mean im mis positioned or boss is

[balmy condor]

99.9% of the time, the boss

[grave trail]

Ok

[balmy condor]

none of my drawings are to scale

the last one for example if it was to scale

would be like

your caustic hitting the entire gally platform

this from the pin is more realistic

but even that is blown up

and the player aoe isn't quite that large in game

so on exactly 2 bosses, cauldron and gallyt

this whole caustic positioning is a thing that you could in theory try and game

but in reality it ends up being like stand on the adds

and it'll probably hit

and if it doesn't then whatever, the adds are probably moving the entire time and you're fucked on the next gcd anyway

[vagrant brook]

is there a reason why they didn't do it like

around you and your target

instead of this shit

[worn geyser]

its like super aids to try and game but idk its kinda fun to try and optimize it which is why i ask and also cause i do not have floating damage numbers so sometimes i have no idea how many mobs are getting splashed

[balmy condor]

that's exactly what they did

[vagrant brook]

but its not around your character in a 360

its only in the melee range that also overlaps your hitbox

[balmy condor]

well yeah duh, that would be insanely jank

for all of these aoe effects, fok/ct included

it's either your target

or your player

if it's both you get insane aoe coverage out of literally nowhere

and it's broken

[worn geyser]

bro can u imagine how far u could spatter rik barrels if it was a entire circle around u

[thorn thorn]

They should make spatter 0yd range

[balmy condor]

if they did 12 yard aoe around boss and 12 yard aoe around the player we would literally turn into boomkins

like that's starfall

you're describing starfall

[vagrant brook]

could be 4y around you 12y around target

buff assa

[thorn thorn]

half of starfall

[worn geyser]

if your 12 yard radius on u is wholly inside of the boss hitbox, it basically functions like starfall then right

like ur first above picture

[grave trail]

So in the case of blade flurry its just around player right? Making it have less effective radius?

[balmy condor]

yes

idk what the range on blade flurry is

but caustic range is insane

caustic reaches like 30% further than CT for example

it is a diabolical range

[lost wharf]

I think the aoe shiv range is even crazier. I feel like it bounces between mobs aswell

[spice surge]

Part of why assa is good at bosses like stix and vexie

Your aoe just always hits

When theyre close to melee ofc

[haughty flicker]

spatter should have starfall range

[worn geyser]

I never thought of it in comparison to CT for some reason that is a ridiculous range

[haughty flicker]

[spice surge]

Yes this one is even longer, unironically like 20 yards

[haughty flicker]

every time i fight the rare outside of the hotel in undermine

nitro

shiv pulls half the mobs in existence

its very cool

[balmy condor]

Yeah like eleem said, on vexie you are literally hitting everything all the time it’s bonkers

[worn geyser]

i always tried to like position myself on the adds on vexie , but i can just like not do that lmao wtf

[balmy condor]

Vexie hitbox isn’t big enough

To trigger the second

[fallow canopy]

Rename it to assfall

[balmy condor]

The black circle is the same size as the red circle

[spice surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1357869739489099887/image.png?ex=682fbcbd&is=682e6b3d&hm=3d1504f36f5d6b6f0ab3ecf5c48a6f62defc8b5dab0ddb9c97a98c976af71947&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=764&height=698
Im shiving the contractor with the white arrows and it hits the inspector out there

He didnt get it before he jumped, he got shived after

[vagrant brook]

[worn geyser]

i think thats what gets me, i wish i could just like visually tell how fucking big the boss is whether red overlaps black etc

[grave trail]

They should add the circles in game

[balmy condor]

Imagine the red circle under Vexie

[wild surge]

void ritual is not a thing vs gushing wound?

[balmy condor]

Add like

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-animal-animals-horse-remembers-gif-4525840217462590348

[balmy condor]

A bit more

That’s caustic

[worn geyser]

crazy

[lost wharf]

Yea, sometimes I feel like I also pull mobs that I didn't wanna pull. Like the sleeping big guy on the pull after the fish in Floodgate

[worn geyser]

cauldron then, the boss hit box is just so big it doesnt fucking matter where u stand basically right as long as u are within 12 yards of both bosses

ie u dont gotta stand directly in the center

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[worn geyser]

w thank u again for explaining

[vagrant brook]

you can but for me void ritual was on par with gushing wound in ST and better in cleave

[balmy condor]

Did you play last tier?

[fallow canopy]

Then I have no excuse when I eat 30 pools and 4 lightning circles

[worn geyser]

nah this is my first tier since bfa

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[haughty flicker]

rashanan

[balmy condor]

The biggest lmao caustic

[lyric gate]

atleast you got combopoints from fok

can be worse

[balmy condor]

Is bloodbound

[lyric gate]

exactly

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bite-speed-gif-27374765

[haughty flicker]

ye bloodbound another offender

[balmy condor]

After the change, you can caustic bloodbound from the adds

[haughty flicker]

it didnt feel as bad to me because the adds are just physically so far away

[balmy condor]

That’s how insane the range is

[haughty flicker]

thats pretty wild tbh

[balmy condor]

His hitbox is so big

That it just splashes

[haughty flicker]

ye

[thorn thorn]

Damn and here I was thinking spatter was like a few yd aoe

[haughty flicker]

cant wait for another fight like that to happen and make blizzard regret this change

[worn geyser]

wait, i looked up a video on that fight that range is crazy

wtf

[balmy condor]

Caustic is the biggest aoe on any rogue spec

[spice surge]

Secret technique is also around the boss

But its like half the range of caustic

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Wait

[distant helm]

sub rogue

[thorn thorn]

So you telling me that on bloodbound I could have just targeted boss and hit the adds too

[native turret]

https://tenor.com/view/what-ill-the-puke-sick-gif-20637274

[balmy condor]

No

[thorn thorn]

Ok good

[balmy condor]

Well, yes, after the change that came in season 2

[spice surge]

Cant cleave with sectech on cauldron

[thorn thorn]

I was gonna go full schizo mode

[balmy condor]

But not season 1

[haughty flicker]

you can in 2 expansions when you go back to farm transmogs

[vagrant brook]

ofc fun is not allowed for sub

[distant helm]

ye the only bosses i still play sub on is stix and rik

everything else is just despair

[spice surge]

Idk dont think its even good for stix

[native turret]

sub on stix da fuk

[distant helm]

its not good

but fun

[native turret]

outlaw or bust

[balmy condor]

It’s not good on Rik either

[haughty flicker]

i still need to play sub or barrels dont die

[spice surge]

If youre in a full pepega run youre probably gonna do more barrel damage as sub

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr I have an original question should I target rik barrels as sin

[native turret]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[spice surge]

But ye with decent people its just assa anyway, despite it theoretically being way better as sub

[balmy condor]

Week 37 with bonus 20 ilvl delve belt super crest 90000% damage orbital nuke brann bronzebeard summoning a mass extinction event sizes dinosaur

[thorn thorn]

Sub is cringe

[balmy condor]

And people be like “more barrel damage please”

[distant helm]

[humble verge]

the eaisest boss

🧌

[distant helm]

barreles dont even survive 3 globals in my raid