assassination

[waxen oyster]

you aint brown orc

though

[balmy condor]

was like 1.2% or something

[humble verge]

but like

[winged sun]

ty

[humble verge]

the difference between maghar

and normal

is not that big afaik

[golden loom]

I gained ilvl on you tho when swapping to jastor cause I have myth track shoulders

[waxen oyster]

Yeah idk

[humble verge]

yeah

i need to get that shit

got raid in like

18h

[golden loom]

same

oh and also myth track pacemaker

I am just running laps on u

[humble verge]

^

i know

[golden loom]

thats why I sim higher

[humble verge]

thats why i did sim with the myth pace

didnt matter ig

[rancid bronze]

Only true chads are the green orcs not the poop colored ones

[humble verge]

as green orc

i can be raphael

[golden loom]

also theres a special damage buff u get as alliance

(heroes of the story and not cringe)

[humble verge]

what

[golden loom]

u heard me

[humble verge]

oh

you meant lore wise

[golden loom]

horde is evil faction so they do less damage

[humble verge]

[humble verge]

me when i see that 90/100 top guilds are horde

well

now it doesnt really matter anymore since its interchangable ig

[golden loom]

yeah from what I've heard cause I didnt play thats a remenant of kiljaden

cause u had to be goblin or smthin

[humble verge]

kiljaden

that reminds me of slave raiders

[royal lantern]

i mean, that comes form the time where racials where a absolute shitshow

MoP trolls

[humble verge]

"kill jaDEEEEN"

[royal lantern]

Legion Belf/Goblin for KJ

and now we have crossfaction anyway

so why swap

[humble verge]

idk was still like this before the change this expansion

kinda

if you just look at wowprog some tiers back

[royal lantern]

yes, cus of what i said

[humble verge]

yeah

racials just are monkagiga

[golden loom]

yeah I mean if it didnt matter post-legion then just dont swap

and now it super doesnt matter

[royal lantern]

was balanced->racials where a shitshow and favored horde by a big ammount->most serious guilds went horde for the adventage->now they are more balanced and "X faction guild" doesnt really exist anymore

like, troll during throne of thunder was just so stupid lmao

that was the first big mass "migration" to horde

[humble verge]

just like how now, people changed to void elf JUST to cheese mugzee lmao

in rwf

[golden loom]

Wasnt it like 5% damage to beasts?

[royal lantern]

yep

[golden loom]

And then beast bosses

[royal lantern]

and the raid had half the bosses being beasts

so troll was basically just 5% more dmg on most fights by default

[golden loom]

Also gnome for ansurek

And dwarf whenever there is some stuff going on

Well atleast it will never be on a wow classic scale where u can only play human

[humble verge]

everyone playing dwarf in m+ last season

[waxen oyster]

dwarf is just a perma good race

well except for mogging

[golden loom]

I will only ever play good looking female characters

And I will not apologize

[spice spire]

uwucutegirl lookin ass

[coral ibex]

UWUCUTEGIRL 4 LYFE

if ur not moggin ur not loggin

[golden loom]

If I wanna be a goofy lookin ugly ahh dude I can just log out and walk around in real life

AMEN

[humble verge]

then do that

[golden loom]

No

I dont want to

[waxen oyster]

Wait for the pc police

to cancel you for not liking dwarves

[royal lantern]

i kinda hate dwarf cus it became the "wannabe pro gamer that is just slightly above average" race

like, the guys that do +13 keys and talk about specs and race like its the most imortant thing in the game, while also missing every 2nd kick and sit on their cds for 3min

[humble verge]

i like the race that looks ok

i did go orc just because of the racial tho

but that was in shadowlands

[waxen oyster]

atp

dying to healers not dispelling debuffs

got old

[silent drift]

If big aoe pulls, is it worth it to dot more than 5 targets?

[tall atlas]

Left my wife today guys

Crazy ass how

Hoe

[restive glade]

damn man that blows u ok

[runic hinge]

more time to play wow, hell yeah

[normal mist]

not anymore

[humble verge]

no blow for u

[keen tundra]

Should you pool energy in raid when KB is coming up?

[nocturne quail]

For like 5 seconds maybe

[keen spruce]

is that oddone?

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-memories-name-ben-kenobi-gif-4100026

[nocturne quail]

Bleed build yes can be, hybrid/zeross cook, I wouldn’t

[humble verge]

yeah

i occasinally tune his streams when im up at 3am

[keen spruce]

we still call ziggs bomb-man

oddone was the realist

[runic hinge]

the general

[light drum]

is the m+ bleed spec on archon.gg low for ST dps? I feel like Im always first on big aoe packs, and then last on ST boss dps

[humble verge]

hes just boomer now

or i say grandpa

[waxen oyster]

If you have no adds to make your ct bigger

yes

Though who tf used archon

[light drum]

archon spec is basically what the guides have, innit

[tall atlas]

She never blew that was part of the problem

[waxen oyster]

aggregate of what is popular yeah

You can do alright st as bleed but its nothing compared to “good” st specs

Usually the good st specs have noticeably worse aoe so

You win on overall usually why does it matter

[spice surge]

You can swap to more st talents if you want, usually resulting in lower aoe

[winged sun]

@balmy viper

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[winged sun]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kqfF4ZKMxD3CQ27N?fight=last&type=damage-done

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[winged sun]

how do i open a fucking log

man

??

thing

!log review

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[winged sun]

ah u dont have those here

ok

[restive glade]

so when i dry shiv and hit solo kb window I want to be able to see kb duration in my wa so I can shiv at last leg of kb rather than start but devlins wa doesn't show kb, anyone know how to edit it?
I want like when kb is on target show me elapsed on it

[runic hinge]

what if i want it all

[still steppe]

play udk

[runic hinge]

gross

[waxen oyster]

i’ve yet to see a udk do good st

idk if the spec can

[restive glade]

!snapshot

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Power Infusion), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[wanton field]

heya ! i was messing around with my sims and i see that it consistantly suggest that I get my crit rating up to 40% and I find that somewhat high ? is it as high for you guys too ? thanks for the insight !

[hollow river]

one of us has to create a thread

u might be able to create one idr

[coral ibex]

how is the sim telling you to get 40% crit

maybe that's just your highest simming set

[runic hinge]

Think it’s only greens in here

[wanton field]

maybe dungeon slice is bad ?

[coral ibex]

its probably just your highest simming set

[fresh kelp]

It’s telling you it desperately wants mastery looks like

[wanton field]

😭 need mastery xD

[fresh kelp]

Also dslice especially in hybrid build will devalue haste

probably want some of that

[runic hinge]

It’s not hybrid it’s cleave

[fresh kelp]

whatever the name is

[spice surge]

No need to think too much about stats really. Just sim your pieces and dont bother with gems or enchant sims

Theyre almost always within margin anyway

[fresh kelp]

👍 maybe throw a mast/haste version of the ring in if you didn’t already

[half compass]

Is there a Macros section on here anywhere? Trying to find some good ones

[spice surge]

Idk what kind of macros your looking for

[half compass]

really just macros that combine cooldowns and stuff

[keen spruce]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[wanton field]

the +24861 is the hast/mast

[half compass]

thank you

[keen spruce]

@half compass that's pretty much it

[winged sun]

its fine i did it in dm's

[spice surge]

104 variations hidden

[runic hinge]

damn, gem sims crazy

[fresh kelp]

then ya crit good trust sim

Robot smart

[spice surge]

And the reason theres sometimes queues on raidbots because it has to filter through millions of gem sims that end up being the exact same

[fresh kelp]

I happily run multiple 16M combination sims every week

[dense cove]

is it reliable that vers is simming well for me in single target? i'm sitting at 8% vers, 29% crit, 59% mastery, 8% haste

[winged sun]

Mike — 5:45 AM
is it reliable that vers is simming well for me in single target? i'm sitting at 8% vers, 29% crit, 59% mastery, 8% haste

yes stats dont matter much

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[half compass]

Anyone know what slot first trinket is and how to bind to macro for use with Deathmark?

[hollow river]

13

#showtooltip
/cast Deathmark
/use 13```

[half compass]

Thank you

[hollow river]

you can also throw racial in there

[runic hinge]

first trinket slot? couldn't be me

[hollow river]

depending on what race u play

[half compass]

so to use deathmark, trinket and racial, do i have to press that macro 3 times or 1 time does all 3?

[hollow river]

1 time

[wanton field]

ok thx guys

[hollow river]

you only macro off GCDs to 1 on GCD spell

so it can cast all at once

[half compass]

I have this, but it only used deathmark and the trinket, not the racial.

/cast Deathmark
/use 13
/cast Arcane Pulse

[hollow river]

probably because its on the GCD

thats why i said depending on what race you play

[half compass]

Ohhh ok

[hollow river]

what even is that, nightborne racial?

[half compass]

Yeah

[hollow river]

are you even meant to cast that

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

is it on global

[half compass]

it does some dmg

[waxen oyster]

idk no one plays that poop race

[runic hinge]

might be the first nightborn rogue ive ever heard of

[hollow river]

yeah but it doesn't do anything else, just some dmg

[half compass]

i just do because it looks cool haha

[runic hinge]

hell yeah

[waxen oyster]

nelf from wish.com

[hollow river]

you prolly don't cast it if you're trying to minmax properly

[haughty flicker]

while i disagree with then looking good, playing what you think looks cool will always be based

[hollow river]

^agree

[haughty flicker]

also yeah i dont think you actually ever press that button

[waxen oyster]

i think

the nighborne npcs

are cool

[hollow river]

the usual racial macro is for orcs n shit

[waxen oyster]

not the playable

[half compass]

look like illidan fr

[hollow river]

because orc racials are off the GCD

[half compass]

but purple

[half compass]

dang, about to swap rn i have 2 race changes

[runic hinge]

damn, maybe i gotta go to ulduar

[hollow river]

i think the only racial thats on the GCD thats worth pressing is blood elf

because it gives energy

[hollow river]

you just reminded me i gotta go do my weekly black temple run on my DH

[half compass]

only time i've seen a WG drop was on my paladin rip

[runic hinge]

i got the first after 6 weeks and the second 2 weeks later lol

then i realized i couldn't mog them and yeah

[haughty flicker]

[hollow river]

i got my first one after like 4 or 5 weeks idr

now im going for my 2nd

[haughty flicker]

never forget what they took from us

[hollow river]

would be such an easy win if they brought it back for rogues/warriors

legit

[cerulean walrus]

Idk I’m an undead enjoyer no goofy button to press but y’all can stay feared/charmed/slept

As I eat a corpse

[waxen oyster]

magetower glaives are better

[hollow river]

an entire .5 patch could just be 'warglaives of azzinoth now moggable by rogues/warriors"

and i'd be content

[waxen oyster]

azzinoth is cool until i zoom in

and can see its 1 polygon

[runic hinge]

do the females flip on evis still?

[hollow river]

no1 cares about polygons

[half compass]

ya'll bullied me too much

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[hollow river]

this is world of warcraft

[cerulean walrus]

Eviscerate and envenom yes

[runic hinge]

hella lit

[dapper cradle]

this would be sick

[waxen oyster]

idk i cant take cata and earlier gear seriously

[dapper cradle]

glaives always looked cooler on rogues anyways

[waxen oyster]

its too low res

[haughty flicker]

i mean some of the old stuff is definitely way too low res for me

but you can get away with a lot of it in normal gameplay

bc who tf is zoomed all the way in

[waxen oyster]

i play in first person

[haughty flicker]

[hollow river]

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/ion-hazzikostas-world-of-warcraft-gif-26367216

[waxen oyster]

but idk

magetower just has better dh glaives

than anything else they made

[dapper cradle]

best magetower thing is the sparkle cat

that shit is BUSSIN

[hollow river]

magetower shit is unobtainium

so

[dapper cradle]

i thought it was fromunda?

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

lèche mon fromage

[waxen oyster]

Yeah that makes it even better

sparkle cat is best cat skin

second place is the balance of power skin

[dapper cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-pee-garfield-lasagna-gif-8628026067144579261

[ocean shell]

For the bleed build on single target, maintaining crimson tempest takes prio over trying to maximize envenom uptime right?

[runic hinge]

yes

[remote vale]

How are people feeling on the KB/PB build for higher keys (15+) vs bleed?

[past bobcat]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worthy rose]

is there an up to date bleed build copypasta

the one im currently using

[little tulip]

i think you trade lightweight shiv for iron wire if you're not running with good kicks/silences

[obtuse ruin]

Where’s sbs?

[little tulip]

also under hero talent i think it's corrupt the blood > momentum of despair

[hollow river]

swap poison talent to sbs

i think thats it

[ocean shell]

i just reread the wowhead section, but it seems like for the bleed build on single target, my goal is to apply the dots and keep my energy above 50%, any excess goes towards muts and envenom but on a low priority, is this about right?

[wise plume]

sounds about right

[ocean shell]

it's kind of weird doing that over trying to maximize envenom uptime

I suppose reading your talents do help, but who has time for that in 2025

[harsh anchor]

Greetings

[worthy rose]

sweet

which poison talent?

fatal concoction?

[solar wyvern]

The one under deathmark

[hollow river]

[fervent fractal]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but how much would assassination coaching hours cost, willing to pay 30-40 an hour for tips on how to get better as assassination

[worthy rose]

sweet

[runic hinge]

ask whispyr

idk if anyone else sells coaching

[rotund oak]

Purple name ===> Whispyr (Big sin n@rd)
Green name ===> ForeverGuy (Big n@rd in general)

[river ginkgo]

is bleed in 15 rookery okay?

[sharp lily]

Bleed in everything

[strange tundra]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[ebon steppe]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ebon steppe]

Is ct wa updated yet？

[balmy condor]

what ct wa

[strange tundra]

maybe the one it shows how powered up the CT is

idk

[river ginkgo]

bleed on last of rookery is so ass

[runic hinge]

last boss of rookery is just a slog no matter what

[strange tundra]

So what is the meta

jastor diamond instead of circlet

and what else?

[turbid thistle]

Do u spend your ambush procs from blindside, even in big aoe pulls?

as a bleed build

[balmy condor]

I mean yes, but probably not the way you're thinking it is by the sounds of it

cause caustic is 10 seconds and blindside's buff is also 10 seconds

so if you mut/ambush and get a proc, that's gonna be the proc that refreshes caustic automatically

just because that's how that works

[rotund oak]

wahtever ur sims say but normally heroic jastor+myth track ring

[worthy rose]

i think in alot of cases the crafted 681 ring plus jastor is ideal

[rotund oak]

unless ofc u can get myth jastor,which is even better

[worthy rose]

unless u have better rings

[rotund oak]

yeah,should sim

[broken lion]

Is heroic eye of kebab sim bait over heroic or even myth pacemaker?

[runic hinge]

It just takes forever to ramp

Sim bait is a meme

[strange tundra]

thinking of getting jastor with tokens mythic track

but i can sim item i dont have or is it still bugged

[runic hinge]

If you sim for 5 minutes and then you kill a boss in 3 minutes it probably isn’t stacked.

Usually only good on the last few bosses

[broken lion]

Yeah I get that, I mean I’m doing higher ish keys so I usually make it to 20 at least

Also I’m debating getting pyrotechnic needle-dropper myth with the dinars but it’s like, if it drops I get it guaranteed since I’m the only rogue in my raid… so it’s like should I just wait for it to drop and get hero jastor

Or get the needle now

[strange tundra]

is it worth doing horrific visions

only thing is the head enchant?

(for dps boost)

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

I don't think it's ever worth dinar'ing a weapon

you only need 1 myth dagger to drop for your whole season

and crafted is just fine until then cause it's -3 ilvl

[runic hinge]

It just drops off very fast and will get beat out by other passive options

[prisma coral]

is offhand being a stat stick a uniquely rogue thing or do most duel weild classes work like this? I guess i had not thought about it much outside of how mut works

[balmy condor]

no, it's fairly common

it's designed that way on purpose

[prisma coral]

I was messing with sims a bit on my DH and it seemed to show that as well

[balmy condor]

or else dual wield classes would need 2 weapons

so it's like you could spread it to both weapons, but then it's just dual wield tax

where you would always need to find two weapons instead of one

and that sucks

or you do it like blizzard and just make the offhand not important

[balmy condor]

holy cringe

[burnt juniper]

got tired of manually typing it to pug tanks

[prisma coral]

the schism of making that simple and the making so many random procs that it lags the game is prime blizzard

[burnt juniper]

isn't it beautiful

[balmy condor]

no

it's cringe as shit

[burnt juniper]

😉

[coral ibex]

[prisma coral]

it's like 1 illidan dh tank away from needlessly creating a toxic key. I find no stressing about things out of your control makes life better

[cerulean walrus]

Counter macro that just spams the !restealth bot command response in chat

!restealth

Or whatever the fuck it is

[burnt juniper]

haha

[broken lion]

*Hm okay thats good advice and good to know

[runic hinge]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[cerulean walrus]

That’s the one

Now we’re cooking

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure he's just memeing

cause it's so haha funny

[burnt juniper]

nah it's not in that way, it's just to let your tank know in case of WAY too much chaining or you can see he's about to chain a dying pack at like 5% hp

[balmy condor]

to be cringe about restealths

[cerulean walrus]

[runic hinge]

If there’s one mob at 5% that shit is eating an 8 second kidney

[balmy condor]

stand up comedian type shit

very original joke

[prisma coral]

I am pretty sure you have a video somewhere about being okay with the restealth whispyr

[cerulean walrus]

These goobers are the reason tanks apologize to me halfway through the key cause they “didn’t let me restealth”

[prisma coral]

moving on

[cerulean walrus]

And then I just tell them

[runic hinge]

How many 12’s do I need to turn into 13’s for 17 rating

[cerulean walrus]

Anyone telling you they need a restealth is gaslighting you and bad

Tell them so

[prisma coral]

and by okay I mean not stressing

[balmy condor]

I had an oce tank apologize after a priory at the start of the patch for not letting me restealth

and I was like

....?

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

I did 5.5mil in this key

what

why are you apologizing

[cerulean walrus]

“Well I’ll have you know I’m the guide writer”

[prisma coral]

a tank that considered you? fucking wild

[balmy condor]

I mean he didn't

[prisma coral]

in retrospect

[balmy condor]

but it was one of the best keys I've run this expacc

and he was sorry about it

and I'm like

dude what

[cerulean walrus]

I swear man these FOTMS

[prisma coral]

I sometimes wonder if someone at bliz is just like, "what if this whole dungeon was fighting on stairs"

[cerulean walrus]

????

[sharp viper]

Priory

[prisma coral]

priory is close to the stairs dream

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[prisma coral]

"xal'atath's fifth-floor walk-up"

[strange tundra]

need restealth please** noob tank wtf are u doing!!!**

[runic hinge]

I would never ask for a restealth id just silently curse them for bad pulls. But with 2 vanish charges and meld I really don’t usually run dry

[strange tundra]

yea same

especially the first part

what is fastest dung for crests btw

im doing rookery but idk

[solar wyvern]

til sudden demise yoinks all the soul shards from havoc

cause they have to land a killing blow

oops

[strange tundra]

[hollow river]

they should add something that makes that more apparent to casuals

the amount of people i still see with their higher ilvl weapon in their offhand, even in 2025, is outstanding

[prisma coral]

thats wild in an of itself

[runic hinge]

Hey I’m glad you’re here, I did 2 shuffle lobbies at 2k mmr and went 3-3 in both. The journey has started

[prisma coral]

but like if you never bothered to care and read "attack with both of your weapons..." and you hit that button a lot it would makes sense that it mattered more no?

[hollow river]

[prisma coral]

clear info i suppose is just much harder than making a scroll wheel mode I guess :p

[balmy condor]

Well to be fair

Mutilate specifically does use both weapons

So that is accurate

Mutilate does two hits, the first calculates the mainhand at 100% value, and then the offhand at 50% value

So in that case, the offhand does matter

It also matters for auto attacks

It’s just wholly unimportant outside of that

[prisma coral]

yeah for sure but that's the nuance of it

[midnight geyser]

Hello everyone, I’m new to this spec, (just re-rolled from sub), tried to run some m+ dungeons, but still can’t manage good single target damage, how long I shall manage garrotte on boss, shall I just re-apply it after previous one overs or shall keep my vanish for next burst window or some chain pull?

[worthy rose]

cant you apply garrote without vanishing

[hollow river]

yes

i assume they mean empowered garrote

[midnight geyser]

Wait, do I can apply it without combat like ambush (with proc)?

[hollow river]

what

you mean without stealth?

you can apply garrote whenever you want

[coral ibex]

press garrote during pandemic

[hollow river]

its just a buffed garrote if you apply it from stealth/subterfuge

regular garrote has a 6sec CD, garrote from stealth/subt doesn't

but ye you always upkeep garrote on bosses

[midnight geyser]

Y, my bad

Thanks for answers, I even didn’t know that I can do it outside stealth, now the my life will be better

[hollow talon]

Tier 11 delves or dfc

[sharp viper]

rookery is faster

[runic hinge]

Last boss is a slog

[sharp viper]

true but still faster than DFC

and third boss in DFC is a healer check

whereas rookery is way easier

for pugs

imo

[prisma coral]

you have to factor in losing your fucking mind running the same thing over and over

I finished two characters this week, I love M+ but like I could not imagine just tunneling the same thing.

[sharp viper]

I wouldn't farm the same thing over and over again tbh, need a bit of variety

[prisma coral]

I have encountered MANY new and interesting routes in 12s this week though :p

[hollow talon]

I did max dungeons on two characters for like a month and got super burnt out

It's too much

Alt is getting the 1 dungeon treatment from now

[prisma coral]

I raid on both in two different guilds and have for longer than I care to quantify, I fortunatly have a fun static group of people to run keys with

keeps me enjoying the game

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but compared to the wow interface cd tracking your WA pack + plater sits somewhere on mount everest

[sharp viper]

how many hours do you spend in raids?

[gloomy heart]

my friend is going to the dark side (rolling ret pally)

[prisma coral]

both are 2 night guilds

usually end up with CE in both generally at different rates

[prisma coral]

if you like him stress the importance of keybinding sac/bop/wog/freedom and focusing on utilizing those the best he can

[sharp viper]

he is one step closer to embracing the 1 button rotation

[gloomy heart]

I told him to play do

dk

[sharp viper]

probably harder than ret

[prisma coral]

you can flame me but I don't know that we can really talk too much shit anymore. complex and complicated are two different things

[rotund oak]

hpally is easy as well,dunno about palatonks

[strange tundra]

bro wtf

[sharp viper]

haven't touched hpally since legion magetower and probably won't

[strange tundra]

everyone in group 3k+

[rotund oak]

r.io says nothing

just sayin'

boosted animals exist everywhere

[strange tundra]

zwa

i need 11 more +12s 😭

[prisma coral]

like assuming everyone was ready to do that, I would assume by that details there as a lot fo dead time

[brazen sluice]

guys i reached the point where im doing 16s-18s bleed feels awful idk why

[prisma coral]

was

[brazen sluice]

idk if i play cleave or hybrid

[strange tundra]

7 deaths and last boss tank died to the frontal because he didnt know he can sidestep it
3k tank btw
his excuse was "im not a streamer watcher"

[strange tundra]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[sharp viper]

even if you don't sidestep you shouldn't die to it

[prisma coral]

you win some you lose some

[rotund oak]

knowing how pety/lying wow gamers are ild say he spends at least 5 hours a day watching streams

[strange tundra]

i just told him to watch youtube tldr dungeon guide which is 2 mins max

[prisma coral]

if i got openly annoyed at every pug tank I wouldnt have all this hate keeping me warm

[strange tundra]

depleting +12 is crazy work

[rotund oak]

u cant really reason with 99% of the ppl u que keys with unless its a team on voice,dont spend any of ur patience 😉

que/repeat

[prisma coral]

100%

[rotund oak]

like i see that so clearly on ym mage

its almost comical

[prisma coral]

my litmus test is saying "yo" if they dont replay with somethign along the lines of "hi" I set my expectations lower

[rotund oak]

tanks doing stupid sht brickin keys

healers just dont heal

dps just dies to random sht

dont care,que again

[strange tundra]

i didnt spend any patience i just gave him a tip and left

[prisma coral]

on tuesday I was doing a 13 flood and the tank fell off the ledge on the 1st boss, which caused it to reset at like 15% health and he immediately left group. So far my favorite memory of the season.

also this week I had a shaman who's soul purpose in the key was to lust. Lusted at the start of the mid phase on the last boss of ML, maybe the worst possible time to lust in any dungeon at any moment ever.

[prisma coral]

stealing that

[coral ibex]

hating on my o/

smh

[strange tundra]

im yo or sup

[coral ibex]

i say 3 things in a key

o/

[prisma coral]

born a yo will die a yo

[coral ibex]

o7

tyfp

[strange tundra]

yo sup and ty gl

[prisma coral]

i have been meaing to try out "/w [priest] you are PIing me here right? right?!?" regardless of the spec I am playing. I feel like they really appreciate that kind of thing.

[strange tundra]

make a macro "PI"

and spam it on burst window

[prisma coral]

I have a friend that plays priest that has a macro that whispers whomever they are giving PI too and its honestly the best messages I get

no need to respond and only an upside

[balmy condor]

this feels targeted

[prisma coral]

which are you?

yo

[sonic pagoda]

lol im yo

[prisma coral]

i feel like "brb bio" belongs somewhere on that tier list

[golden loom]

Im a yo and ggs

[hot pasture]

hiyaaaaaaa

[rotund oak]

turbobrick tier

[strange tundra]

are you an instant key bricker

[balmy condor]

I open every video with hiya

[pliant remnant]

Why does it go from yo

to yoyoyo

[strange tundra]

not too late to switch hiya to yo

[pliant remnant]

Where's the "yo yo"

'cause I always say "yo yo"

[strange tundra]

do i trust hte priest

[visual sun]

End all vids with it’s whatever, byyyyeeeee

[lavish wing]

Seems he has a higher ground

[sharp viper]

getting flamed for not parsing high in a +12 pug

[worthy rose]

people are trying to parse 12's?

isnt it just fodder for farming

damn hes taking it too serious

[sharp viper]

this guy apparently takes it very seriously

[rotund oak]

this guy has issues

should move on

[worthy rose]

in a 12 anythign above 2mil is good prob

[lavish wing]

what do u mean "parses in m+"?

[sharp viper]

I got flamed by the ret because I told the tank to not soak while the shields were going off on 2nd boss in priory

[rotund oak]

lol rly?

whats wrong with ppl

[sharp viper]

tehy weren't even premade

[rotund oak]

idk how to write down what i wanna say without having moroes slapping me

[sharp viper]

and tank threatened to ragequit during the key too

[rotund oak]

yeah this is wow community today

[lavish wing]

was on a pug gally hc, wiped in P1 bc tanks fucked up swapping or bombs, cant remember, and some mage pointed it out, got reply from the tank "but your dps is the lowest" 😄

[rotund oak]

its crazy to me,i just say hello and good bye

cba yapping on keys right or wrong

F them

[haughty flicker]

i used to care

but now i just ignore it or leave

lmao

[rotund oak]

everyone apparently has an AWC or TGP 1st place under his belt

playing 12s

[short sedge]

Wait a minute

Can these corruption head enchants go on any piece? Are they hard to get?

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/revisited-horrific-visions-masks-strategy

[short sedge]

Just got told it's not out yet, disregard this

[balmy condor]

coming out on tuesday

[short sedge]

I'll figure it out on thursday then

[balmy condor]

but the enchant itself is time gated a couple weeks after that as well

[short sedge]

Still have 150 crests to farm

[balmy condor]

cause reasons idk

world of warcraft fomo simulator

[short sedge]

as a single dad with 5 jobs, 3 wives and 17 children I'm really glad they're staggering the content

[balmy condor]

makes sense

[rotund oak]

Silly question but on floodgate last boss,we clos 1st zap aight?

[lusty kraken]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r1kNmafVKTS7KGZVK584tF why is the sim trying to keep rupture on every single target (despite it not being the bleed build)?

even during kingsbane it casts rupture instead of spamming envenom

[waxen field]

agi buff IG ?

[solid hemlock]

sim is cooked

[lusty kraken]

agi buff is capped to 5 targets

the sim is trying to keep rupture on all 8

over envenom

[waxen field]

ah lol it's legit cooking

[solid hemlock]

cleave build legit undersims bc of that

shindigg has a video about it i think

going over different builds and explaining sim issues

btw

when does bloodmallet usually update their simprofile? bc of higher ilvl rn

i personally prefer simming myself but its a good baseline thingy for more casual guildies

[balmy condor]

aoe patchwerk is stupid and not supported

[nova kelp]

my god lol mythic mugzee just melts now

causing problems kek

[lusty kraken]

to be fair I just wanted to see the correct aoe opener sequence

[balmy condor]

with that build it's this into envenom into cds

[lusty kraken]

probably one more FoK + Rupture after the first rupture

to get 5 bleeds

[balmy condor]

yeh

would be rupture -> rupture though

and then the fok before CT

[nova kelp]

gar fok rup rup fok ct

[golden loom]

Having to hold damage aswell?

[lusty kraken]

yeah

I was pleasantly surprised how good the build is in single target

but I need to practice the aoe

I suck at it

[nova kelp]

bruh, we already have people afking in the gaols

hell knows how much more we'll have to stand about

wait like a minute for 4 mins or some shit at this pace

[golden loom]

yeah

[royal lantern]

we have to stop dps when 2nd gaols would happen

or shield adds will stay for the rest of the fight

[golden loom]

same

[royal lantern]

i love poorly implimented dmg increases

[lusty kraken]

why do you have to hold dps? what happens if you just zerg him?

[royal lantern]

that make stuff a gian headache

[golden loom]

but also if the rescue fails on me I am just always afk in gaol

most im doing is kicking

like lowkey the adds die kinda too fast if I am outside spattering

[royal lantern]

its assa in gaol, not like as if you hitting stuff would be different

[golden loom]

my miniscule damage pushes it over the top when our warlock is sending tactical nukes

[balmy condor]

there's timed debuffs and shit from the fire soaks and healer cds get desynced

[golden loom]

yeah the healer cds is a big problem

cause you push it, get to next mine set and just die

[balmy condor]

yeh

[golden loom]

so idk I think 5 healing it is kinda good again

or lust on pull

[balmy condor]

you'd have to push a full side faster

[golden loom]

atleast starting on wednesday you are gonna have to lust on pull

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor junkmaestro is not benefitting from zoldycks, right? just versatility and LD, iirc?

[balmy condor]

yes

[sharp viper]

hmm so not really a point to hold it for "execute"

!wa now i'm gotta look for a weakaura for it

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[earnest remnant]

just do the 1 goal strat

lust pull

phase into p2 fast af

[spice surge]

You still get 4 goals in last phase right

Or is it 3 since you skipped the set of 3

[earnest remnant]

4

it is also doable without lust on pull fwiw

[royal lantern]

not for guilds that just started mugzee

we are busy having people huff paint midfight

[earnest remnant]

change "started mugzee" to "people that cant press 1-2-3 correctly"

[royal lantern]

too quote some of our pulls last raid

"move to metal....move.....OR YEHA, KEEP CASTING FOR 8SECONDS SURE"

[gilded bronze]

am I not supposed to drop below 30 energy if I have a thistle tea charge?

[red schooner]

Just ignore Thistle tea

[gilded bronze]

no

tell me

[balmy condor]

he did

[red schooner]

It doesn't matter numbers wise

At all

[gilded bronze]

better answer thank you

[red schooner]

Macro it to shiv, forget it exists

[harsh ravine]

hi, does mastery increase envenom damages ?

[balmy condor]

yep

[royal lantern]

yes

damm whisp faster

[real sinew]

funny looking mage

[gilded bronze]

ropaa teach me

[scarlet orbit]

We started mugzee last week or so. And we get hard challenged by the difference between "left" and "right" its a BIG Problem

[harsh ravine]

ok thank you both, I struggle understanding why his envenoms are higher than mine on average cast, there is the 3% DH buff but still https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kMqJFbAfm4dyhTn1?fight=14&type=damage-done&source=110
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ADhQXMHbr9Ry6fdL?fight=14&type=damage-done&source=3

(yes I do use proper shivs on darkness night & lingering)

I simmed with versa recrafts but it sims lower 🙄

[royal lantern]

left is the hand where the thumb is on the right side

[balmy condor]

I mean he has a couple ilvl on you, it’s 100k

Does it matter

[harsh ravine]

maybe the racial helps too I just noticed

[balmy condor]

Sure I guess

This seems like such a crock of nothing though

Like his envenoms are averaging 2.5% higher

Big whoop

[harsh ravine]

ye it's a very small difference, but I would have timeed the key with 2.5% more dmg hehe

[golden loom]

found 2,5% damage gain

[harsh ravine]

I have another question, maybe you have the answer

on overall my rupture is much higher than his, it's because when I enter a new pack I do 9 target ruptures, he does only 6 and then sends the last gcd for a 3 target garrot instead

which one is better ?

[harsh ravine]

that's during gorren when he does the aoe and I have too much energy

[balmy condor]

With that build there’s no reason to rupture past 5

You’re playing fully for envenom damage

Bleeds are there for energy and scent and that is literally it

[harsh ravine]

yes but is there a reason to garrot either ?

in AOE

[balmy condor]

No

[harsh ravine]

so the most optimal would be to rupture 6 targets (3+3) and then send the last gcd for envenom immediatly

skipping completly the last IC gcd

[balmy condor]

Probably should garrote for the energy

[golden loom]

wait do you not want garrote on the target you are deathmarking

[harsh ravine]

it doesn't matter if it dies first anyways, but yes it's optimal for prio damages

but most of the time my prio target is the first one dying in packs

[harsh ravine]

garrot energy gain > rupture energy gain with that build ? I only see venomous wounds giving energy

[winged sun]

I will have to file a complaint for stalking

[balmy condor]

Why waste cp on rupture

[harsh ravine]

rupture laster longer I'd guess its more efficient for energy

[harsh ravine]

ah yes that, ok

[winged sun]

Good morning people

[harsh ravine]

🙄 🙄

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[fresh mica]

is it good to use darkiron dwarf in the last 8 seconds of DM for dmg or is the boost to minimal ?

[spice surge]

You would use it during DM ye

[olive tree]

what kind of stupid am i, if i ask what you mean bei darkest night & lingering? i thought ud use both shivs in dm kb and then on next kb or am i plain stupid?

[shy stream]

Dry shiv!

[olive tree]

ty

[rugged sphinx]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[iron carbon]

Stupid that doesn't read guides

But like most of people asking questions there so I guess it's okay

[olive tree]

ye i didnt reread the whole guide after s1 mb

[shy creek]

Not a problem, whispyr writes very comprehensive guides, 99% of the info u need is thete

[lyric gate]

i need a guide how to farm b8ubblewax

shit is non existing

[gritty laurel]

waxmaxxing was a pre-season thing, it's dead

rewards got nerfed like 3-4 times

[spice surge]

Wax was mostly because whetstones and oil were expensive

Now theyre not

So

[gritty laurel]

or wait, is bubblewax the weapon consumable? if so just pickpocket kobolds

or just buy whetstones because they're cheap

[dusty phoenix]

but wax sims higher

[normal mist]

I dont think it ever did

it was only used because it was free

[dusty phoenix]

I mean at least for me it did for months now

you can check yourself

by simming advanced with fuus consumable string from #tc-research pins

[humble verge]

crazy

im gonna be on the whole reclear today

finally fixing my stix log

[golden loom]

wait did u kill gally?

[humble verge]

they killed gally on monday

[golden loom]

You werent in?

[humble verge]

no

[dusty phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hucpEeHw2k9fCFh5zSWUww

[humble verge]

idk if u were tehre but like

they did a marathon sunday

so 8h of raid

i was at my grandpas 80th :d

[golden loom]

Sheesh

[humble verge]

and they just kep the same core for monday whne they killed it

kept

[gentle belfry]

This for 2nd embellishment right? for either M+ or raid

[humble verge]

yes

[gentle belfry]

tyty

[humble verge]

well its more used for raid

[gentle belfry]

what would be bis for M+? and if the diff significant? had trouble simming this

[spice surge]

The difference is pretty much irrelevant

[gentle belfry]

even in the context of 20s, hypothetically?

[spice surge]

Yes

[gentle belfry]

Gotcha ty

[brave comet]

this was back in april, is this still true?

[winged sun]

Nie-ll — 7:03 PM
this was back in april, is this still true?
Image

[spice surge]

What makes you think its not true

[brave comet]

i dont know, potential bug fixes. if its unintended a month's time is plenty to fix a known bug

[spice surge]

Then it would be deleted from that post or there would be another post about it

[thorn thorn]

I love that

[gentle belfry]

ring is prob next craft, yeah? + gally ring

[brave comet]

why dont you use cyrce's?

[golden loom]

would probably craft bracers/belt/gloves or smthin before a ring

[gentle belfry]

Just never got it lol, will today, but Ive been told crafted ring + gally is better untimately

hard to sim with this shit gear

[brave comet]

idk, not for me

[amber brook]

Some if not most people will be replacing circlet with heroic jastor + max myth rings. THIS IS NOT TRUE FOR EVERYONE SIM YOURSELF

[brave comet]

and im way higher level than you are

[amber brook]

in the pins

[gentle belfry]

bless ok ty

[rotund oak]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[brave comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusty phoenix]

how optimal is macroing tea to shiv? are there any minor improvements when delaying the tea usage? to have it up for last kb tick for example, like in the past

[gaunt quiver]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[gaunt quiver]

er, thats not it

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[gaunt quiver]

Maybe it is. x_x

[dusty phoenix]

wouldnt it be more optimal to cast tea for the last 12 secs of kb though?

instead of first 6 and then another 6 after a 2sec delay while missing it on last kb tick

or is that completely irrelevant to dmg atm?

[brave comet]

i mean technically not irrelevant but its probably so miniscule

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[quartz relic]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[coral walrus]

should i use crimson tempest in 2 targets, as first boss in mechagon workshop for example, on forced induction build?

and should i use fok or mutilate in 2 target situation?

[rich field]

May I ask, when my goal is to play Rogue and really "main" a single spec (Assa or Sub) mainly in high Mythic+ push and also do high 3v3/RBG.... which one would you concentrate on ?

I mean I don't want the "FOTM" spec or the "is OP" build, good, consistent, fun spec.
Like what would you assume is this when you look at past/present/future ? I am pretty new to rogue tho

[warm vortex]

Just depleted a 15 top cause the VDH tank desided to disengage or whatever out of the xav arena and reset it

[grim jay]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[grim jay]

There you go

[grim jay]

Probably sin

Its been always good in m+ since the rework

Because of how it works

And iirc its also fine in pvp most of the time

Sub is more often than not the best pvp spec rogue has, but can struggle in pve

[coral walrus]

so 2 targets from what i understand?

[coral walrus]

also this

[humble verge]

not enough

[lyric gate]

bear grylls himself

[humble verge]

man if shoulders dont drop today

im going insane

[rain granite]

bleed vs forced induction?

[winged sun]

@solar wyvern last boss floodgates dps

i got stunned sadly

[dense cove]

@winged sun I noticed you open almost every pack with ambush, even when you have a darkest night proc. Is there a reason for thjs? It seems like when I do this it bugs out my stacks of mark

[winged sun]

hi, it doesnt bug out the stacks, you have to consume darkest night first to consume ur normal marks

reason why i do this is that its too important to have mark up to the level where if u lose it ur going to do -50% dps entire pull so i developed a habit that literally wont move my dps at all by opening with ambush

its not a dps loss its just 1 button in the entire pull it wont change anything

its just a safety net to never lose mark

[midnight mist]

low af

[winged sun]

no warr buff unfortunately

[dense cove]

Oh ok, makes sense. So you still have to use a max cp envenom to consume it eh?

[midnight mist]

warr buff this ross

[winged sun]

yes

[dense cove]

Is it best to do that before putting up bleeds or crimson tempest? Or you put up bleeds first then have your mark consuned?

[harsh silo]

I have 19k mastery and 14.5k crit
When I check archon other rogues have like 21k mastery and 12k crit. but when I sim, mastery is lowest? Why could that be?

[runic hinge]

Magic robot do number to make biggest dps

[spice surge]

Stats doesnt matter

[harsh silo]

ok, so just follow sim then?

[runic hinge]

always

[harsh silo]

ok thanks

[lyric gate]

dropped 50 ranks over night

i cant

[fresh hornet]

anyone else running bleed build?

[viscid spear]

Nope, just you

[fresh hornet]

i think its works so much better for me

[runic hinge]

yeah it's good

[normal mist]

It's a new tech

That pretty much everyone should be using besides some particular cases

[winged sun]

Nope, just you

[subtle tundra]

wow... i can help with your 7 ml if you need

[runic hinge]

i thought you quit

[subtle tundra]

never quit helping

[rotund oak]

Crafted wpn and neck on my rogue

just need to do some 7s/delves to hit 670+ and ill be cooking 10s

sin kinda fun

u basicly yolo

[coral walrus]

@winged sun if i may ask, in the workshop 1st boss, you reapply dots (for energy regen) and crimson tempest?

[winged sun]

yeah

unless u want to stay at 0 energy entire fight u can ignore pressing rupture

[vivid mulch]

Does anyone have a focus maco and bind they could share?

Really feel like i need it now, getting tired of tabbing to wrong targets or having to mouse tap to another target

Nvm got it to work :)

[lyric gate]

i got a 6 workshop if you want

isnt that already rio for you `?

XD

@subtle tundra

[vivid mulch]

what bind you guys using for target focus?

[normal mist]

bold of you to assume we USE a target focus bind, muahaha

[proud pelican]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[uneven plume]

@winged sun you run more vers than mastery?

[humble verge]

THEY DROPPED

[rotund oak]

what dropped?

😮

[humble verge]

shoulders

that i can cata :3

[rotund oak]

ah lol

cool stuff

gz

[humble verge]

11 weeks with hc shoulders

[subtle tundra]

i dont get invited to such keys

[hexed frost]

Envenom: The Gayme

[wise plume]

same

[rotund oak]

jsut remembered i need to pug again +12s on my rogue to get them trinkets

literally wanna pull my eyes out of their sockets

its some badluck protection though,i respect that,its ok

[winged sun]

I dont think so, if i do its a mistake im not online atm

I wont be running those rings im playing again i think

Jastor is probably too big to miss

[brave comet]

so i just used cloak on the spin attack where myth mugzee charges, and i got killed anyway

[vivid mulch]

what key, and what was the dps?

[golden loom]

on arm is nature other is physical

[royal lantern]

it literally says physical mate

[worldly dock]

!wa

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[vivid mulch]

one is magic one is physical right?

so pop both xd

[golden loom]

yea

[vivid mulch]

you'll be superman B)

[golden loom]

dont think u can evasion the spray tho not sure

[tough pebble]

What would be the best item to pick from the turbo boost event shop for a new assassination rogue? I plan to craft the 681 dagger. And I don't think I will be able to run mythic raid anytime soon I think

[hexed frost]

13 DFC, 3.74M

[royal lantern]

if you can do 12 keys, pacemaker/signet mythic

if you can kill mythic OAB, HoC, but its equal with signet, so kinda w/e

Jastors if you dont have it

[tough pebble]

@royal lantern would be doble as new player to do that before event goes away?

[acoustic roost]

The event goes away during season 3…

[royal lantern]

isnt this "event" until the patch is over

and i mean, its +12 keys, thats kinda a personal skill thing

[uneven plume]

Yah I was wondering how your signet is proccing

[royal lantern]

for some thats a giga goal they need the entire season, others can do it in 1 week

[tough pebble]

I don't really know how difficult scale into dungeons. As I said, I'm completely new to wow. I played MMO for many years but it's the first time I'm "enjoying" wow, tried many times but never clicked for me. Now I'm enjoying it but all YouTube videos says is "challenging" "end game" "objective" but no clear indicator of when I can realistically engage in those content

I started playing 3 days ago basically

[coral ibex]

its unlikely but if being good at the game is something you want then yea its possible

[royal lantern]

eeeeeeehhh, i would just kinda buy heroic stuff then tbh

[unreal fern]

Is there any way to escape gaol on mugzee as sin rogue?

[brave comet]

shadowmeld racial is the only way

[winged sun]

[brave comet]

or have people save you from it, but that requires timing

[unreal fern]

Thanks, though so, wanted double check

[winged sun]

What does shadowmeld have to do with escaping a cage

[humble verge]

holy

actually malding

[runic hinge]

void elf racial

[humble verge]

1 hour of wiping on sprocket

[winged sun]

[humble verge]

we have some new guys

now we just wiped cause tank got drilled

[winged sun]

Niell farms misinformation 24/7

[humble verge]

on blue side

[rancid haven]

anyone running devlins WA pack?

[viscid spear]

[tranquil crystal]

d

[autumn frost]

lol

[tranquil crystal]

!wa

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[tranquil crystal]

!plater

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[viscid spear]

I'm just going to do 10s, soloQ is not the way to go for 12s

[analog field]

same issue for 15's atm

[autumn frost]

Gotta push your key

i have to push my key to 14

then some d umbass ruins it then repush it up again

unless you can get a good group to key together

[viscid spear]

I'm not a resilient person

[autumn frost]

It's the only way really a rogue can get into a grou p

for pugs

[viscid spear]

I'm good just gooning 10s and hoping for a good Vault

My enthusiasm has taken a hit lately

[gritty laurel]

M+ will do that to you

[barren spade]

hey guys im new to the channel and to wow, i picked up the assa rogue and would like some advice on gearing and gearing milestones. im ilvl 560 and since there are so many options, idk what path of gearing to take or what gear i should look for, can you help please thanks

[analog field]

Go to siren isle and take the ring, also while there you can buy some gear at around 590 if you farm the currency (you probably will by doing the ring quest) afterwards spam delves slowly increasing lvl each time also you can lfr raid ( i don't know exactly what ilvl is needed for lfr raid). With spamming delves you can get around to 650 with not much effort. M+ is more difficult and a weird environment but if you like it you can hop in that too

[barren spade]

Thank you very much @analog field

[analog field]

My answer was not very analytical but if you need anything else go ahead 🙂

[normal mist]

Idk if you unlocked it already or not but you can also do the hourly event in hallowfall named "nightfall" for veteran 630+ gear

[fervent fractal]

new rogue here, the rotation looks super complicated, does it g et easier? Right now im just practicing single target on a dummy

demo lock is easy mode compared to this

[normal mist]

the rotation is probably the easiest ever

there are only a few rules

You basically just need to track some bleeds and use your finishers at 5+ cps

[red schooner]

Sin is pretty easy, keep your bleeds up, cycle through your deathstalkers mark, just practice it for a bit and you'll be fine.

[runic hinge]

weak auras can help with bleed tracking

!wa

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[runic hinge]

there's some there

[red schooner]

Hardest part is just the cooldown rotation but once you get that down its fine.

[fervent fractal]

Hmm. Is there any WA package that is the most popular? I guess I can check manually

[runic hinge]

i used luxthos for a while but i use whispyrs now

made by our tc'er so, specially for rogue

[normal mist]

Guys i'm speedrunning One Piece

i keep pressing forward every ep, so instead of 20 mins, its around 7

[red schooner]

Have you tried One Pace?

One Piece anime but edited so that its 1:1 with the manga pacing

[normal mist]

i... haven't no

😮

[red schooner]

May be worth a shot, I think it cuts the runtime down like 40%

[normal mist]

hmmm

im already at EP 939

[red schooner]

Still keeps all of the manga stuff in, just gets rid of the recaps and the filler arcs.