assassination

[runic hinge]

I mean ret is fun

Boring quickly tho

[gusty mirage]

prolly mana man tho @balmy condor

[runic hinge]

I don’t like bubble being on the gcd too

[buoyant herald]

I cant stand ret every time I try idk maybe im the problem

[balmy condor]

Okay but that’s cringe

[haughty flicker]

I’m an idiot so simple specs are good for me

[gusty mirage]

well what else would you play when they nuke trickster?

[haughty flicker]

Plus I press sac once every 20 pulls and get to feel good

[sharp viper]

just think of it as holy rogue and never use your utility at all

[humble verge]

why would they nuke trickster

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna play poison viper strike

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

On a deadeye

Fuck you

[gusty mirage]

[buoyant herald]

Deadeye wtf

Pathfinder obv

[balmy condor]

Deadeye dual sword poison viper strike

[humble verge]

wtf are u guys on about

[balmy condor]

I said what I said

[gusty mirage]

surely you mean viper strike of the mamba

shirley

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-bryant-kobe-legendary-gif-26049590

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[sharp viper]

they're playing 2026 World of Maplecraft

[gusty mirage]

occy viper strike of the mamba could be fun

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/impressed-agree-kobe-10-well-done-gif-3471643

[humble verge]

[buoyant herald]

Ooo yeah get them pops going for clear

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Okay, new cook, we’re playing hierophant mace/claw ignite prolif dual strike of ambidexterity

[humble verge]

i might have the kobe bryant death sketch that would get me banend if i post it here probably

[balmy condor]

then don't post it here

[gusty mirage]

I love kerploding entire screens

[balmy condor]

seems like a reasonable thing to not do if you have to say out loud "I shouldn't do that"

[gusty mirage]

one of my fav builds was bv scion in crucible league

cheese rational doctrine w/ omni

[humble verge]

maybe i should do it

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

kind of psychotic as well ngl

standing in a bank going

"I could rob this bank, but I'd get arrested probably"

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[inland dirge]

only if you get caught

[humble verge]

i wonder if anybody will actually open it

thinking i DID post it

[balmy condor]

I guarantee you that you can rob a bank once

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/bavatogay-ricardo-milos-dance-gif-13888231

[humble verge]

say that to that one guy who managed to rob like 12 banks undetected and then went to the police to get arrested on purpose

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor did you see the latest gwennen farm guide?

[balmy condor]

excellent

[humble verge]

🤨

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/al-pacino-heat-gif-11543354

[humble verge]

wait

[inland dirge]

gotta watch heat again brb

[humble verge]

what is gwennen gambling

im stupid

[gusty mirage]

have you ever played diablo 3

[humble verge]

i have

[balmy condor]

you wanna see my very legit build?

[gusty mirage]

kadala but worse

[humble verge]

oh ejsus

[balmy condor]

super legit btw

[humble verge]

kadala isent even bad

well

it is but

[gusty mirage]

these are all totally attainable numbers

[balmy condor]

gear isn't even bad

[gusty mirage]

yolo

essence worm

[balmy condor]

it's for pride

cause need blood magic

can't get an aura otherwise

[gusty mirage]

you think we'll ever get bleed bow back

like a version that's actually good

[balmy condor]

no

[gusty mirage]

[humble verge]

wait wtf

i cant see my old LA build on fork

[coral ibex]

its 2025 people still play lightning arrow + a spread support

ol reliable

[humble verge]

no

it was just when like

LA was giga meta

with mageblood

[gusty mirage]

bro fuck lightning arrow

dogshit ability

[humble verge]

everyone ran LA in that league

[gusty mirage]

buff ice shot

[humble verge]

i dont rmemeber which league it was

[gusty mirage]

affliction league

well

[humble verge]

nono

its earlier

i played it recently

like 2023 or something

[barren zenith]

affliction my beloved

[gusty mirage]

well you see

timeline in poe is skewed

[humble verge]

no

fuck you

[gusty mirage]

cause settlers

[humble verge]

i dont well you see

[gusty mirage]

HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 10 MONTHS NOW

SO YA KNOW

[humble verge]

oh

it was crucible

i think

[haughty flicker]

Nerds

[gusty mirage]

I played sst in crucible

and people laughed at me

[haughty flicker]

[gusty mirage]

then rue made that shield

and everyone swapped

fuckin posers

[humble verge]

i need to log on poe forums

cause i cant see the build o nfork

wtf

[gusty mirage]

should be able to get it show

with the drop down at the bottom

[humble verge]

maybe i didnt save the builds on the fork

idk

well tis here atleast

idk why the fuck its not on fork

im 100% sure i checked that shit so many times

[gusty mirage]

rip to my boy tornado shot

[humble verge]

my beloved mageblood

ass bow

but i got it dirt cheap

[gusty mirage]

[humble verge]

holy bonkers

how much did this cost

[gusty mirage]

idr

[humble verge]

i originally actually wanted to get one of those like

[gusty mirage]

probably 55-60div?

[humble verge]

mirror bows

from that mirror shop

i cant remember who his name is

oh wtf

he made it into a website

https://www.thesettle.shop/

[gusty mirage]

oh sushi's shop

yeah

[humble verge]

he had this OP fucking bow

[gusty mirage]

I got his bow in uh necro league?

idr

Path of Exile: Settlers of Kalguur is an expansion of Path of Exile. It was officially announced by Grinding Gear Games on July 18, 2024, and released on July 26, 2024 alongside Settlers league. It is expected to end in June 2025

lmao

[humble verge]

he actually had one for phys

[gusty mirage]

LMAO

[humble verge]

but also like 1 for uh

yeah

i saw that lmao

[humble verge]

actuyally insane

[gusty mirage]

this one?

[humble verge]

yeah

i think its that one

it was phys

but he also had an ele one

[humble verge]

i rememember

[gusty mirage]

[humble verge]

think this one

[gusty mirage]

made my own quiver

[humble verge]

maybe im wrong

[gusty mirage]

[humble verge]

since its int stacker

oh nvm here it is

comparably 100x better than the one i bought for like 5div lmao

[gusty mirage]

blade blast of unloading was fun too

[humble verge]

but man, i had BOTH of these rings drop with the int

[gusty mirage]

ben cooks good builds

[humble verge]

i think atleast

maybe i had one dropped

and the other i bought dirt cheap and recrafted

im pretty sure this is the only lvl 100 i ever got

i tried to play like

cospri coc cylone

and also whispering ice in crucible - which was a lot of fun lol

damn, first time im actually seeing a paid boost show up in logs

since this shit popped up on stats for mugzee lul

[haughty flicker]

wtf he was trying his best and you call him boosted

thats fucked up

[hidden bay]

Rude

[inland dirge]

normal outlaw variance tbh

[haughty flicker]

im saving this for later thank you

[warm drum]

the first line of that is probably the most important and most impactful one here

[oblique bone]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gloomy heart]

DJ KHALLLLEEED

[near valley]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[woeful lagoon]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/draenor/Farsrogue
Do I just grab myth track Pacemaker at this point?
Can't grab myth track Eye of Kezan yet.

[normal mist]

Sim your character

I believe you can now sim without issues, raidbots seems to be fixed

[void cloud]

yo, just checking out a few rogues, planning to play as an alt (maybe)

i am wondering why do i see mostly maghar orc assa rogues on raiderio? thought i will see dwarves mostly

[balmy condor]

Mag’har got buffed like a patch or two ago

One of the best damage specs

Looks a lot cooler than dwarf

Win-win situation

[glacial relic]

Yep what the master said. 2min damage cd sync up with deathmark 6-7k secondary stat

[void cloud]

what the actual fck 6570 secondary stat
i was not updated about it lol i love maghars
wanted to try an alliance race tho since i have 0

[golden loom]

human goated

[earnest remnant]

that would be dranei

the goats

[golden loom]

goofy ahh hooves

[void cloud]

eeeeh if i would play any alliance race it would be dwarf/nelf/ maybe gnome because a gnome prot warri yelling every second is kinda fun to hear

[wide gorge]

Does anyone know how to move/remove the window that pop whenever i mouse over someone?

[prime hull]

does follow the blood snapshot on crimson tempest?

[spice surge]

It does not

[void cloud]

u can disable it , it is called tooltip

[humble verge]

wait

what raid renown should we be now?

should we be at the 12% buff yet

[haughty flicker]

next week

[humble verge]

i should prolly get some rep maybe

🤨

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rGMEEL9LGN7oBHJ1xM6sX7

its done

im free

no more shit+

[humble verge]

HASTE MASTERY RING, WHAT

[spice surge]

[winged sun]

Means nothing or

[humble verge]

probably

[royal lantern]

i simmed all variations

haste mastery won

[humble verge]

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha makes sense? signet+pacemaker?

[winged sun]

Idk what makes u think a haste mastery ring can be bad tho

[humble verge]

only like 6 people who are 684 according to wowhead

[humble verge]

did i say it was bad

i just said WHAT

[haughty flicker]

it wants me to make a crit haste ring

[winged sun]

U did think that it was bad no cap involved 🧢

[haughty flicker]

me when stats stat

[royal lantern]

and im sitting at 10k crit rating vs 17k mastery lol, having crit on the ring would push crit above mastery when pacemaker is up+bad chaos flask proc

[humble verge]

nrly

[spice surge]

Well you have to logout with that gear for it to show up on those webscraping stuff

[humble verge]

i meant wowprogress

not wowhead

😭

but yeah

[spice surge]

And if youre 684 then you have no embellishments, which is worse than 683.6

[humble verge]

true

[winged sun]

684 is a log out bait ilvl

[humble verge]

also zeross

[royal lantern]

crafted chest cus i didnt drop a mythic chest yet, and no mythic jasor

like

[humble verge]

why are you capping me

[royal lantern]

thats all "not maxed out" slots lol

[winged sun]

Idk ok

[haughty flicker]

imagine not having 6 crafted slots

[humble verge]

i have 4

😭

[haughty flicker]

couldnt be me

[humble verge]

only 682,44 bags

scuffed crop

[royal lantern]

682.43

damm that crafted chest

[winged sun]

I cooked new sin gear is this mega cooked or @spice surge

I dropped hc jastorr and circlet

[royal lantern]

why drop jastor

stamina?

[humble verge]

arent those sub rings

🤨

[winged sun]

Idk if 70k hp is worth

[royal lantern]

like, jastor is just so much free stats

and some free stats for teammates aswell

see no reason to NOT use it ever when you have it on heroic level or higher

[lean plover]

If it sims better then its better

[winged sun]

I hate removing those rings

But idk what to do

[winged sun]

Nah

Sims worse

[lean plover]

whats the difference

%wise

[winged sun]

Idk i dont even know my age rn wait till i drink my coffee first

[lean plover]

bc you are doing r1 rogue keys, and assa isnt a tanky spec

dropping 1% dmg for vers+stam

seems worth to me

[winged sun]

Dps matters alot this week especially

But will see what i sim

[prime hull]

So if i have an existing crimson tempest up and then I rupture a 2nd target after, the crimson tempest dot ticks will have increased damage?

[lean plover]

Cant do dmg if you are dead

You will cook anyway, gordom ramseys worst enemy

[subtle tundra]

meow

[subtle tundra]

yes thats how all buffs work in this game,the exceptions are very few

[oak eagle]

how bad is it to use the stat weights sim on raidbots

[spice surge]

It just doesnt serve much purpose

Like just simming the items you want to compare with topgear does the same thing, but more accurately

[prime hull]

I thought crimson tempest was one of them because it snapshots the number of targets you cast it on right?

[spice surge]

Its only that effect

Not anything else

[prime hull]

Oh ok

By the way does feint work on the candleking fight in darkflame cleft? I feel so squishy there

[spice surge]

Yes

[lyric gate]

what is feint

!feint

[prisma monolith]

Atrophic poison/feint in Raid: > Click to open Sheet <

[glossy latch]

Hey, I'm new to assa rogue and I got a question 😄
Is it better to play Forced Induction than the Subterfurge route? Feels smoother with Subterfurge but noticed the top rogues in m+ does not play it

[spice surge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[lyric gate]

just play double vanish

if you new

[glossy latch]

Alright, thanks!

[lyric gate]

supercharger is just for giga high keys

single targfet min max

[glossy latch]

Ye not doing any giga high keys on this toon any time soon I believe

[lyric gate]

1 time you grief deathstalker mark and dont have vanish

you have 0 dps

[glossy latch]

Should I also play without Kingsbane?

[lyric gate]

thats personal choice

if hjybrid or bleed

but i feel ike bleed is better in low keys

and easier to play

[glossy latch]

like keys under 15 or what's considered low?

[lyric gate]

i would say 12

[glossy latch]

I do like easier to play to start off with tbh

[spice surge]

Just play bleed

[glossy latch]

Alright, will play bleed build with double vanish to start off

thanks for the help!

[lyric gate]

@winged sun you didnt answer my question

bully

[winged sun]

what q

[lyric gate]

i forgot it

just making sure you know you didnt awsnwer

i think i was asking you if you play the double shiv build in top too

[winged sun]

oh

[lyric gate]

or you play straight sub

[winged sun]

sorry i've been really tired lately

i play it everywhere

[lyric gate]

np was watching your stream

[lean plover]

u need a better sleep schedule zeross

[lyric gate]

sadge on the flood 20

[lean plover]

no joke

[winged sun]

nah

its not the sleep schedule

[timber meadow]

is there a way for rogue to get out of mugzy jails on their own?

[spice surge]

No

[hoary moon]

a couple more hours awake and Zeross will astral project into assassination spec designers bedroom and come out with a new fatebound build running vers>=mast

[broken lion]

How hard is playing cleave build vs playing outlaw rogue?

[spice surge]

Idk, depends on what youre used to

[broken lion]

Im at 15s so Im wondering if its time to starting playing with cleave

[spice surge]

Probably not, but go ahead and try it if you want

Theres very little difference between builds anyway

Overalls are similar, just doing damage to slightly different things

[lean plover]

Or like eleem once said, play og cleave build

[broken lion]

cleave gives you more ST?

compared to bleed? or no

[spice surge]

Yes

[broken lion]

I feel like Im need it since my boss dmg is bad

[spice surge]

I mean the overall speed of the key is the thing that matters the most (besides candle king)

[lunar pond]

That and comp would help dictate the ideal build to some degree

[spice surge]

Not really

[broken lion]

oh I realized Im playing a hybrid build currently

looking at the talents selections of wowhead

[glossy latch]

Here I come with yet another (probably dumb) question, how do you track your bleeds? Any special plater profile or just l2track?

[spice surge]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[glossy latch]

thanks!

[winged sun]

cleave does more than outlaw on all key levels

on all situations, aoe and st

difficulty is about the same i'd say

outlaw having the slight edge of being harder

[broken lion]

When you say does more you mean like more to keep track of or more to click?

Or do you mean impact in dungeon?

[winged sun]

more dmg i mean

[broken lion]

Ah

[winged sun]

outlaw will only do more at like

2-4 targets

[broken lion]

Well thats sad to hear but glad Im doing ass this season then

Well I might just do a 12 with cleave and see how I go

[broken lion]

are any of those must haves?

[spice surge]

Ofc not

[shy creek]

Even in title range, outlaw is viable

Couple rogue players who do it

Play what you enjoy

[broken lion]

Yeah thats valid but I dont like KS so

[shy creek]

Outlaw infinitely better w/o KS

[broken lion]

Wait you dont use KS anymore?

[eager pond]

Quick question: my offhand is hero, is still bad craft one or now is viable until I get a myth dagger?

[fickle axle]

If you dnt need crafts anywhere else why not? No crest cap anymore

[normal mist]

Offhand isnt important, so if you REALLY just want to spend crests bcs you dont need them anywhere else, why not. But every other piece should have priority over offhand

[eager pond]

Maybe back, maybe not
But rest are already crafted

Just spending crests now I'm free

[normal mist]

You can yeah, it just isnt an important upgrade overall. You can sim and check if those crests wouldnt be better used on upgrading the rest of the gear

[eager pond]

Ye, I will upgrade rest of gear but I wanted to ask with craftables first because rest of my gear are hero, not myth
Thanks for helping

[amber brook]

is it a bad idea to use crippling for stix

[broken lion]

Whats best build for rook?

[paper tapir]

Hybrid or zeross cook probably

[golden loom]

no?

[clever drift]

how to use caustic spatter in m+

whats the playstyle

[amber brook]

my concern was that the bombshells get inflicted with cripp and if the tank moves the boss, cant cleave the shellies down

[spice surge]

Keep it up, hit the mob

[clever drift]

so hit mutliate once than spam fan of knives for points yeah?

[subtle tundra]

once every 10 seconds

[prime hull]

if deadly poison is applied to an enemy, every other poison is applied as well right? i only should track deadly poison on nameplates not all 4 poisons?

[jaunty sky]

Poisons should always be on the mobs you're attacking

I don't track them

The only way you don't have a poison on an enemy is you haven't damaged them yet

[strange tundra]

thoughts?

[prime hull]

Well, in like council 2-3t cleave situations i think you want to fok to apply poisons only when they drop.

[golden loom]

well you would still fok to use clear the witness proc, and also rupture/CT that you apply to them have chances to proc poisons

[broken lion]

Is there any reason to not have h jastor by the time we get access to all dinars?

or like is myth rings better?

[rotund oak]

long distance relationship as he/she could bang anyone without even knowing

gr8 ''relationship''

its like saying u are in relationship with an alien from a far away galaxy

[near valley]

is it?

[shy sorrel]

I mean doesnt have to be long distance for that

[rotund oak]

also true but higher the chances

[shy sorrel]

That's true

What is the highest ilvl of the siren isle ring

is it 658

[near valley]

ya

[shy sorrel]

tyty

[dawn meteor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[dawn meteor]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[shy sorrel]

Any1 who uses Mechanocore Delve trinket here instead of Pacemaker?

[full shard]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[harsh harbor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

ask again

[lyric gate]

Any1 who uses Mechanocore Delve trinket here instead of Pacemaker?

[shy sorrel]

ok

[lyric gate]

im using ku-jo flame vents

@midnight mist you there

[golden loom]

the harassment has to stop!

[runic hinge]

I am just for the memes cause it sims the same

[lyric vale]

Humbling dks in server bro is on duty

[lyric gate]

was dk tank

10=%

100%

they are the yappers

[golden loom]

yeah it was the tank

[lyric gate]

xd

[lyric vale]

Tank talking about dps bro try to survive under pack no need for big talk

Ofc he can f me up with chain pull

[humble verge]

i should actually name myself zerodamage, so that my details name makes sense

[dawn thicket]

hi could you please tell me what is the best race for rogue

[normal mist]

If you're not doing really high end game content, it does not matter 1 bit. Pick looks over dps

[dawn thicket]

maghar orc or nightelf?

[normal mist]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/races/castingpatchwerk

[dawn thicket]

ty

[dawn thicket]

what would you do with invisiable problem when tank chains ?
i mean we need to invis right?

for assassination

[normal mist]

if the tank is good, you dont have problems,
if the tank is bad, you have 2 vanish charges

[spice surge]

"need" is an overstatement

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[iron vapor]

Not really, no. It's easier if you can stealth, but you can just spread 5 ruptures manually for very little DPS loss

[vapid fable]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid mulch]

Anyone got the stattracker WA that shows main stat aswell?

[coral ibex]

ya sec

https://wago.io/ogqH_qj0r/22

[vivid mulch]

Alright thank you :)

[gusty mirage]

only 681? slacker

[thick forge]

anyone know that in "Zeross build" i should use shivs at aoe situations?

[shy creek]

Only for single target

[coral ibex]

i have too many crafted items

[shy creek]

Funnel but thats abt it

Its just prio damage

[gusty mirage]

you're still a cutie patootie with a nice booty

[coral ibex]

i guess i could use another pyrotechnic in the OH

wont make much diff

[gusty mirage]

nah recraft your OH for those 6ilvl so you can get like

800 dps

it's very important

[coral ibex]

got one more 12 to run to do it

[thick forge]

i saw on clip that with DM he use it for example at cinder

[runic hinge]

he said 5 or less targets

but you should probably always be using it with dm

[vivid mulch]

I luckily got a myth rik kill

Should i buy the myth dagger?

[coral ibex]

probably not, its a tiny gain

[vivid mulch]

im double crafted atm

[coral ibex]

i'd buy a myth trinket first

[vivid mulch]

Well only choice is pacemaker then

[coral ibex]

heroic jastor is also really good at 671

[vivid mulch]

got that aswell

[deep breach]

hey guys, sorry if this is asked all the time. what kind of haste % should we be aiming for roughly with bleed build?

[vivid mulch]

first week with hero event

[coral ibex]

then yea i'd assume a mythic pacemaker is a larger gain than 3 ilvl on your weapon

what are your trinkets rn

[vivid mulch]

myth signet hero mechano-core

no passive hero track passive trinket is better than mechano core for me

[coral ibex]

prob sim it but i'd bet myth pacemaker is the move

[vivid mulch]

simming rn

its a 0.9% upgrade

[sonic pagoda]

umm there is no haste percentage, there does however reach a point where you accumulate enough crit and mastery and sims will give you more gain from haste and vers

[normal mist]

^

[sonic pagoda]

Like i have so much astery and crit that....sims tell me to equpi my crafted ring with outlaw stats which is haste adn vers lol and a haste and mastery cloak

rofl

[deep breach]

yeah. im sat on 80% mastery and 18% crit currenty. Still have some things to craft and just wondering if i should go vers/haste on them

[normal mist]

you can sim that

[sonic pagoda]

yeah

[normal mist]

we've the technology!

[sonic pagoda]

idk im slappin KiR outlaw in keys now that im above 3k

assa too squishy outlaw press feint and go brr

except darkflame only assa lol

[gilded bronze]

am I ever using shiv or thistle tea without the other, or rather should I use a macro for both and a button for each seperately

[lean plover]

just macro and forget

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[faint vessel]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[jaunty matrix]

is signet bugged ?

my highest secondary stat is mastery and after that its crit

but signet gives crit when used

shouldn't it give mastery ?

[spice surge]

Probably pacemaker

[jaunty matrix]

since the tooltip says the highest secondary stat

[spice surge]

Or alchemical chaos

[jaunty matrix]

no

nothing like that

mastery is always the highest

[spice surge]

So the highest stat isnt actually mastery when you use it

[jaunty matrix]

i just tested now in dornogal

with mastery being the highest

and it gave crit

[spice surge]

Not highest %

Highest stat

[jaunty matrix]

oh

wtf

just realized they work like that

mastery is higher % but the value number is lower than crit

[drifting cloud]

yeah because mastery goes above 100%

[jaunty matrix]

oh i see

that was it

[drifting cloud]

and its different depending on spec

[jaunty matrix]

thanks

[marble hemlock]

technically so does crit

[drifting cloud]

[marble hemlock]

its more that different classes get different values from mastery. some spec might get 20% of whatever their mastery buffs for 10k mastery, while another gets 40% of whatever their mastery buffs

[jaunty matrix]

i want signet to give me mastery right

[royal lantern]

yes

[jaunty matrix]

i can move things around to make mastery my highest second

ok

ty

[royal lantern]

cus of signet you care for stats for the first time since forever really

mastery needs to be a good chunk above the rest so you always get mastery

[jaunty matrix]

circlet was the culprit of crit being higher

[jaunty matrix]

gotcha

[spice surge]

I mean just play whatever sims the highest

The sim knows

[royal lantern]

^

just sim

[drifting cloud]

if its proccing crit its probably simming like shit anyways 😛

[royal lantern]

ye, if i procs crit, it goes down by a mile

[jaunty matrix]

sim can get a bit wacky when you play around with circlet stats

[drifting cloud]

was like 40k swapping same ilvl ring for me that would brick my priory start of tier

so if you try to sim different trinkets that are worse than pacemaker they might sim higher now if they dont brick yours in the sim

[royal lantern]

its why im grabbing HoC with dinars anyway at the end of the patch

so that i can grab early gear next patch without it briking signet

[drifting cloud]

but it shouldnt be that hard to fix it unless you have some weird high crit no mastery neck

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7qZhEhtMwz68Q55nnep4NQ finally done with the dumb M+ minigame!

[coral ibex]

me too

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/omkBQYMiSuDSUGmNMNHgyt

we did it bestie

[dark crag]

is that tooltip bugged?

[runic hinge]

Bugged in what way

[dark crag]

that i don't have blackpowder as assa

[runic hinge]

Oh yeha lol. Should be crimson tempest

[dark crag]

ok, when specced into ct it changes

without ct it just says bp

[golden loom]

worgen is crazy

[rancid haven]

with the hybrid build do we CT in ST?

[golden loom]

no

unless it hits any adds that spawn or whatever

[humble verge]

@golden loom are ytou watching eurovision

[golden loom]

ofc gotta watch my goats KAJ win

[coral ibex]

i joined a partial guild prog aotc gally run

will my good will proc a jastor?

they're discussing when to lust

[golden loom]

they are from the neighboring town so its very hype @humble verge

[golden loom]

it will drop but u are not winning the roll cuh

[humble verge]

we are doing a spreadsheet

ignore the memes

[golden loom]

lol

[vivid mulch]

juicy 12m envenoms

[winged sun]

already at avoidance DR

[humble verge]

stop chesating

[golden loom]

when are u killing big bossman gally

[compact moth]

if my alt is an assa rogue and most likely wont oab/gally M within the next two weeks should i heroic jastor or M priory

[golden loom]

probably mythic signet

depending on what else u have in different slots ofc

[compact moth]

I have mythic pacemaker

double crafted

weapons

[golden loom]

yeah but whats the other trinket

u would run signet + pacemaker so

[compact moth]

im currently running hero priory/pace maker

[golden loom]

and rings?

[compact moth]

i have crafted outlaw and assa weapons

[runic hinge]

I mean it’s myth priory for sure

[compact moth]

circlet and hoop of the blighted

[coral ibex]

they're not soaking

cant make it up

[golden loom]

yeah I would just grab signet, can always grab jastor later if u dont get it from doing heroic gally

[coral ibex]

middle of may and people arent soaking on gally

[golden loom]

I was doing some pugs earlier today and we kept wiping to noone doing coils

[coral ibex]

wild

[earnest marsh]

bleed build is still valid ?

[pure moth]

Yes

[winged sun]

i did

just missing bandito

[golden loom]

oo

gz boss

[winged sun]

ty cuh

[coral ibex]

rip

[golden loom]

ew!

u know, you should just try getting the drop

[coral ibex]

trying so hard boss

carrying guild prog groups

oh one of them gave me the mount

W

[golden loom]

W

[wise plume]

W

[coral ibex]

[waxen oyster]

got mine in a normal pug

[limpid flume]

hey yall is ToP another cleave dungeon or its just bleed all the way

i was thinking that Cleave would go kind of crazy

[golden loom]

what key level?

I've only been doing 12s/13s and I play bleed in top

[rotund oak]

top is low target cleave/prio yeah

not alot of density there

maybe couple of pulls,one is a skip candidate

(rogue sucks in top btw)

[lyric gate]

got the fucking mount yday too

[golden loom]

I mean in the 12/13 range not really, you still blast

but above that maybe idk

[rotund oak]

sure yeah

rogue still sucks in top though

ive bricked like 4 keys on my mage

on top

we had a rogue

0 dmg on bosses

felt bad

better like get a lock or a dk or monk,even a hunter

[earnest marsh]

what is the key level range for cleave builds?

[waxen oyster]

like 18+

[waxen oyster]

sub feels
ok

[rotund oak]

rogue doesnt feel ok man,idk

i havent played any 10++keys as a rogue though

from the little ive been sniffing its mediocre

stronger classes/specs this time around

[fresh kelp]

depends on what you mean by rogue

[golden loom]

I mean assa is very very very very very good in keys

[fresh kelp]

I think outlaw might be one of the strongest specs in the game rn below 15s

and just above that

[winged sun]

sin stronger

on all key levels

[wise plume]

way stronger

[winged sun]

not way

[nova flower]

!sims

[winged sun]

only way stronger in high keys

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[fresh kelp]

ye but sin is very very good

[golden loom]

as a resident 10-13 keyer, assa just nukes every key its not even close for any other spec in overall

[winged sun]

oh u said one of

nvm

[fresh kelp]

and outlaw is mildly below sin at lower keys

[rotund oak]

isnt supposed outlaw to be better prio than sin?

idk if its better than sin overall though

[fresh kelp]

sin has best prio in game still right

[golden loom]

yeah assa is THE prio spec

[fresh kelp]

maybe not as bleed

[golden loom]

even as bleed

[rotund oak]

idk tbh,havent played rogue in keys enough to have a solid opinion

[fresh kelp]

@winged sun didn't u almost get beaten by zac in a few of ur 12s while he was down ilvl

i didnt watch that closely

[autumn frost]

Play hybrid in top hello?

[rotund oak]

ild rather play arcane 😛

[swift bluff]

I’m confused. You’re saying you haven’t played rogue above 10’s?

But calling rogue mediocre. I’m dunking most everyone at 12-14 bracket as Assa

[coral ibex]

have you considered that most players just doing 12-14's atm are either not that good or not trying particularly hard

im not exactly sweating it out in these 12's for crests

[swift bluff]

Agreed

[coral ibex]

i'd imagine many others are the same

[golden loom]

no they are not 50 year old dads that I am sweating to smash in damage

they are the goats

[rotund oak]

actually above 5s

ive played little rogue this season

mage arc

[waxen oyster]

Its like once in a blue moon i lose on overall

in that key level

[rotund oak]

i need time to get some gear,then ill come with definitive answers

need to do several keys to have a solid opinion

[runic hinge]

Top 10% of the ladder isn’t that good xd

Everything is relative but sheesh

[swift bluff]

Yea I mean the comment that rogue is mediocre is a pretty narrow one. We’ve got a ton of people in here at all key levels doing great damage. Mostly outlaw and Ass rn. Rogues lack of team utility will probably always keep it out of meta, which is fine.

[coral ibex]

brother i did a 12 for crests last night with a shadow priest who legitimately did tank damage

the public are not sending their best into LFG 12's

[runic hinge]

Yeah. That’s just shadow right now lol

[swift bluff]

Shadow started off so hot

Like first week

And gone man lol

[coral ibex]

nah ive done keys with the spriest in my guild and he doesnt do tank damage

[runic hinge]

Anecdotal

[waxen oyster]

good mm hunter dunks you

[rotund oak]

hunter pumps for sure,dies like a btch though

mage ftw

[runic hinge]

Hunter lives better than they used to

[golden loom]

idk assa is a nuclear bomb thats all I know

[swift bluff]

I mean good UHDK, MM Hunter, Arcane, Boomkin and even Devoker are the ones I’m always neck and neck with

[waxen oyster]

@rotund oak I ran into a hunter that was actually good

had s14 r1 title

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-gif-19278188

[waxen oyster]

[swift bluff]

I mean in 12-14s I’ve had competitive Survival, Feral, Demo/Destro. everything played well in those keys is feasible. There aren’t many classes that just never get there if played well.

[wise plume]

I invited a 3.2k spriest for a +14 last night and was so disappointed

swiped a credit card for that entire io

[swift bluff]

Shadow and Aff are ones I haven’t played with much. So my sample size is low. But the hype on the rip of S2 for shadow was big and it dropped mega fast

[wise plume]

I got smoked by an afflic the other day

[swift bluff]

I like to hear that

From a balance standpoint

[waxen oyster]

its more like

[rotund oak]

balance stupid strong btw

[wise plume]

been a while since I’ve seen afflic up there

[waxen oyster]

I knew this guy was semi decent at the game

[swift bluff]

Yea

[waxen oyster]

if he was running around with a title that used to require you to be very good

at the game

Usually unless they’re super washed, people who consistently pvp above glad range

are pretty good

[swift bluff]

Yea imo, PvP is like athleticism in real life. Its skill that transfers well to so many things

It’s quick twitch and fast decision making. Skills that take a bit of time

[waxen oyster]

imo pvp healing

[swift bluff]

I’ll never really get there

[waxen oyster]

is a whole dimension of stress

on its own

[swift bluff]

Healing in general, in this iteration of wow, is played like a DPS

like the mindset is predictive

Not reactive like in classic

PvP at the peak of that

Learning every classes’ toolsets and how to play around it

[rotund oak]

hpally the most chill vibes universe

something dies?bubble/sac

u dont like spell dmg

spellwarding

u wanna do thing vs physical

bop

u want fat heals?

sure

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

unless you’re playing hpal vs mage lock

on tolviron

[rotund oak]

well mage owns paladin

true

locks,depends

[wispy iris]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[rugged sphinx]

If i'm doing +12 ~ +14 keys, bleed build?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[main plover]

any keys you wouldnt recommend zeross build when playing 17-18 ?

[oak eagle]

Is it fine to press FoK in ST if your out of range of the boss?

[rustic geode]

Thoughts

[balmy condor]

Very hilarious but the fact that our filler is stronger than lining up with a cooldown is stupid and bad

Envenom buff not mattering is very ???

Energy not mattering is very ???

[balmy condor]

Probably not, just play it and experiment idk

[rugged sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[main plover]

i think its better, but since im pugging being able to take iron wire feels nice for some dungeons with bleed

[viral pawn]

With the standard raid cleave build - do we hold shiv for kingsbane or do we shiv on a darkest night proc?

[waxen oyster]

Theres more than 1 raid build?

[gritty laurel]

when using 2 shivs, you send a shiv during lingering + DN for the giga envenom

if you're using 1 shiv you're sending basically on cooldown in single target anyway so it doesn't matter

[viral pawn]

Ahh okay, so one after deathmark expired thanks!

[gritty laurel]

yep, just make sure the supercharger proc lands on the DN envenom

[viral pawn]

And than build back to 2 charges for next dm?

[gritty laurel]

yup, that'll happen naturally since you won't be dry shivving without lingering

[viral pawn]

AHH okay got it thanks!

[waxen oyster]

state of assa

[keen radish]

@spice spire can i get an AWOO?

[waxen oyster]

where dry shiv env does more than a full kb

[keen radish]

https://tenor.com/view/howling-our-living-world-cry-shout-wolf-gif-2600452429554792787

@safe patrol Hey bro

[safe patrol]

depleted a cinder 16 pug to failed batch and the tank said something like maybe do more damage to failed batch in party chat targeted at all 3 dps and said to him friendly in whispers that is abit awkward for me as assa to "prio" them. got an "okey" followed up by an "go f yourself in the back"

interesting one

[safe patrol]

hahaah hey mate

[waxen oyster]

Lead doesnt know how to make a comp

[humble verge]

crazy how ure simming 2,54m

[keen radish]

I cant even request awoos in peace anymore

[golden loom]

whats crazy about it

[humble verge]

im simming like 100k less

at the same ilvl

maybe cause i specced in CS

[golden loom]

owned

[humble verge]

instead of the rupture talent

OK BRO

IM GONNA GET JASTOR TODAY(TOMORROW)

SUCK IT

[waxen oyster]

Not having jastor

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/666157779534217220/1337281226142126130/penits.gif

[golden loom]

I will get jastor when I get it

[keen radish]

im down bro DM me

[stuck knoll]

https://imgur.com/hWMw1rp

[waxen oyster]

I still need to minigame

for 4 more crafts

zzzz

3k gains not very motivating though

[viral pawn]

It's quite normal that I not always reach 50 stacks on a non dm'd kingsbane?

[gritty laurel]

no idea, i don't even track KB stacks

[waxen oyster]

real

[gritty laurel]

but as long as you make sure envenom buff is up before you press KB you're doing it right

[waxen oyster]

well i wasted a craft on a belt because got myth one week after

will check on reset if a craft ring frees me from circlet jail

[golden loom]

I have crafted helm belt ammy and offhand

3 sockets in a row

[waxen oyster]

crafted pants neck offhand cloak bracers

[golden loom]

oh yeah bracers also

I forgor

[waxen oyster]

my loot luck is so bad

this tier

[golden loom]

I cant complain tbh

[waxen oyster]

I got weapon week 3

pacemaker week 2

otherwise poopy

[indigo epoch]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[wise plume]

I got crafted weapons lol

I’ve yet to see a single dagger in my raid or m+ slots

[nova kelp]

yeah I was using a crafted dagger in the main hand until the last week

is what it is

rik was a jackass, I've YET to kill him on heroic and NOT see a dagger

but he's not dropped one at all on mythic

[gaunt quiver]

Very normal. Envenom before starting KB.

[coral ibex]

maxed barring bis vault drops

[restive glade]

so for getting chunky parse on stix hold burst until trash bombs spawn so that kb + deathmark cleaves ads more chunky

[molten spruce]

!hybrid

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[restive glade]

pyrotechnic + geezle myth dagger sim the same for my raid spec and m+ spec its kinda odd

whatd u spend dinar on

[coral ibex]

signet

[waxen oyster]

i mean to parse on stix

you dont get ball

the end

or at least only get ball on set you dont have cds

[restive glade]

i learned in whispyr stream a secret raid tech of - holding kb + mark for ad spawns bc caustic cleave more likely during window (I didn't rlly think of that)

[waxen oyster]

you do more during dm

so ofc you spatter more

ofc likely also needs your raid to actually drop off weakened adds

by boss

sometimes i feel tempted to go back to double radiant power

for more gamba

[restive glade]

yea earlier in my learning when I would hold mark + 40sec and miss gcd rotation i went monkey - always use mark on cd, now learning for minmax ad parse hold slightly aint too bad solely bc u dont miss another window

[coral ibex]

for stix you hold your cds for 0:38 and pray you dont get chosen for first ball set

[golden loom]

if u get first ball

pretend u lag

and run it into boss

[humble verge]

i fooled around in topgear, and its still not even better than yours @golden loom https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8DDmt3PpBx41qhMZe11vW1 😭

[waxen oyster]

lmao

[humble verge]

oh maybe the difference is r3 pot

[waxen oyster]

i was debating if i hold cds

or not

havent done stix in a hot minute

though

[golden loom]

u gave urself mythic kezan and jastor

[humble verge]

oh ure also simming with

aug rune

i dont sim with aug rune

im not that rich

[golden loom]

I press optimal raid buffs

[humble verge]

i try do like accurate sims

[golden loom]

cause thats what I use

[humble verge]

so what i have

since i use r2 pots cause im poor

[wise plume]

How much are the aug runes

[humble verge]

and the difference is huge

prolly like 1k

each idk

[golden loom]

aug runes are like 1,7k

[humble verge]

jesus

yeah

im not spending like

80k every raid for aug runes

💀

[golden loom]

well I am not using them on every pull

but theres a guy in my guild that just hands out augment runes

also u get tier 3 pots from cauldron

[waxen oyster]

like 1k a pop

[golden loom]

and they are like 100g each if using regular ones, deffo worth it

[humble verge]

we dont use that

we use flask cauldron only

[golden loom]

poor

[humble verge]

poor guild yes

[waxen oyster]

i use r2 in keys

r3 in raid since provided

[humble verge]

actually poor guild

[waxen oyster]

augment in raid is kind of cringe

since deathskip is normalized

[humble verge]

for bandit sure

[golden loom]

just kill boss

[humble verge]

are you on mugzee prog now uwu

[golden loom]

ye, that boss dies tomorrow

[waxen oyster]

sometimes i wanna go velf

because getting a jail on me

is tilting

[humble verge]

my gold

[waxen oyster]

Im down to a mil

tww fukking has bankrupted me

I started at 5m

[golden loom]

I need to go pick more flowers and mine more rocks

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mdZLB8bfBiZ7JLjvzDq8rL ok with just jastor but with "optimal raid buffs"

im still a bit behind u

[waxen oyster]

I got binding of binding recipe

week 2

sold it for 800k

[golden loom]

I sold a eye of kezan for 500k

[waxen oyster]

simbait trinket

i got pacemaker week 2 so never had to deal with eye potentially being an upgrade

at hero

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7iBDcBjV1Gk6q9AKmvyZjq me when I get jastor

[humble verge]

heroic

noway

[humble verge]

😭

why are you simming so hard

i dont get it

[golden loom]

human broken

[humble verge]

ure nelf

what

[golden loom]

I am not

?

[humble verge]

huh

OH

it just looks so

on the pic LMAO

[golden loom]

me human

[humble verge]

from embed

wait

what does human even get nowadayas

[golden loom]

expansion scales and I scale

2% more of all secondaries

[humble verge]

oh jesus

[karmic orbit]

is there anyone on youtube who does pov commentary for assassination in high m+ keys?

[winged sun]

@balmy condor how big of a dps loss is slow poison only

@spice surge

only removing it

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure orc sims higher

[humble verge]

i am orc tho

🤨

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

Idk