assassination

[worthy rose]

if youre gearing up from 0

if you do a quest iirc you get a runed level crest for free

you could make an offhand with teh runed crest to save on the gilded

you can craft another gilded piec which will gvie more tangible benefit

offhand is meh

plus youll be praying on vault to give you a mythic mainhand or pay for a mythic carry to dinar a mainhand

so then youll use the crafted 675 as your offhand anyway

[spice surge]

@balmy condor I have another banger bug for ya. The goonsquad trinket has an effect that interacts with BL, but if you havent hit the boss yet when BL is popped it doesnt count

Out of the 10 logs i checked only 3 got the actual proc, the others their ranged used bl at like 0.1s after pull

Stinky trinket even more stinky

[buoyant herald]

hahahha

goons do be gooning

[humble verge]

i feel spatter should at any point be #2 on your overall

[worthy rose]

always remember to splooge everything with your caustic spatter

[buoyant herald]

no way thats true if not playing hybrid (where it's comforatably #1) surely

maybe im playing wrong then but it's usually around 7-9% for me with rupture, sanguine blades ahead at least

sometimes demise if low enough key

[balmy condor]

[vapid gorge]

Is it safe to say that focus should shift to spatter once about 6-8 targets have rup/gar?

its essentially pressing each bleed three times during subterfuge

[tranquil cobalt]

are we macroing the mega magnet trinket to something? or whats the best way of using it

[vapid gorge]

or i guess what im getting at - is its not worth vanishing to get more bleeds out on larger packs

[haughty flicker]

if i dont kill sprocket tonight i might kermit

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[humble verge]

im surprised people are still on sprocket

but maybe my mind is warped

[haughty flicker]

i mean its a piss easy boss

but late ce is late ce

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/how-to-slap-someone-trough-the-internet-kermit-internet-slap-slap-internet-kermit-slaps-cruel-funny-kermit-gif-10469655502115406028

[hidden bay]

Yea you are the first one I would hit

[thorn thorn]

This isnt an mp4

0/10

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/valtteri-cat-valtteri-cat-cat-valtteri-booty-gif-18965648

[cinder geode]

I got two mythic number perforators, what embellishments should I use instead of ascension?

[balmy condor]

you shouldn't

[cinder geode]

Okie ill just use one then

[balmy condor]

yep

[cinder geode]

mythic bandit dropped two daggers lol

[humble verge]

im on my phone

[worthy rose]

damn that slucky

[cinder geode]

and zenith tier piece and a house of cards

4 pieces of loot 4 me

but i already dinard for signet so i didnt need house

[worthy rose]

wait why not use two mythic number perforators

[jaunty sky]

Offhand ilvl dont matter that much and you'd lose ascension i guess

[hidden bay]

Ascension too strong

[worthy rose]

ascension offhand

and writhing armor band on something else?

[hidden bay]

Yes

[gentle belfry]

what poisons for bleed build in M+

[spice surge]

Always take the poisons you talent into

[gentle belfry]

wound/x then ig

[spice surge]

You dont talent into wound no

[vapid gorge]

deadly and atrophic

[gentle belfry]

oop mb

tyty

[thorn thorn]

You have redeemed yourself

[balmy condor]

offhand dagger is omega dogshit just as a slot

ascension/any embellishment

is just the same value regardless of slot

so the choice is getting -3 ilvl on a slot right?

like you either have a 684 or a 681

but the effect and whatever is the same

so you want to craft embellishments onto the worst item slots

[balmy condor]

which means offhand daggers are always the most efficient slots to put embellishments on

[uneven plume]

dont think embelshs matter one bit

too shit this tier

[gentle belfry]

valid logic

[balmy condor]

yah

but would you rather lose 3 ilvl

on a slot that doesn't mean shit

or a slot that's big

[spice surge]

And theyre gonna be even worse next tier relative to other items

[uneven plume]

can run 0 embels and you wouldnt notice a difference

[spice surge]

Probably not too far off not being worth the 3 ilvl drop next tier

[uneven plume]

so its w.e

[hidden bay]

Embellishments give dmg, dmg is good conversation over

[jaunty sky]

I don't get why embellishments dont scale tbh

With either season or the ilvl of the item they're put on

[spice surge]

[tall jay]

I can’t wait for our new belt and we have this discussion again soon 🙂

[snow hamlet]

[jaunty sky]

More substat stacking lesgo

[brazen sluice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ubzmWFxwzKWQLpp1dCzjby

bye bye circlet i guess?

[worthy rose]

crafted 681 > circlet i guess?

[buoyant herald]

Expected but seems to be consistent

Thank the lord

[nova kelp]

Not for me

[worthy rose]

fuck thats nuts

some people are 680+ ilvl now

[fluid dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

im slackin

[worthy rose]

no im slackin

im still 672

i just havent got the motivation to farm like mad like some people are

i seen some people in my guild shoot from 669 to 675 in a single day from farming like crazy and maxed out all their heroic and mythic gear

real unemployed activities

[drifting cloud]

im 680 without doing a key this week

[worthy rose]

or wfh activities tbh

[coral ibex]

well some people didnt spend rune crests on gilded bags on tuesdays

during the tier

so they have stuff saved up

i was spending that shit every tuesday to be capped before raid tho

[drifting cloud]

I did that during prog

just didnt spend any last 2 resets

[worthy rose]

if i farmed up like crazy and maxed out everything and crafted a 681 ring id be at 679 ilvl

damn

thats gonna be a mission

[winged sun]

Ayo double battle shout goes crazy

[brazen sluice]

prio 10 💀

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm sayin man

literally solved sin's defensive problem

priest + double rally

how do you die with that

not possible

[winged sun]

True sheeeesh

[gloomy heart]

wow me and a dk both got the mount from DFC in one run

[winged sun]

Same i had it happen to me too

1 run 2 mounts

[coral ibex]

p2 mugzee shadowstep into a blue circle

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[charred mango]

in M One armed bandit is it worth throwing a rupture on an add while kingsbane is up on the boss?

or just outside of cds

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

yep

as long as its quick

no reason not to

just don't go running off

you want the uptime for the auto attacks during kb

[shy creek]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[balmy condor]

but like if you mouseover a rupture for example

that would be big

[charred mango]

ty

[clear plover]

hey, I feel I'm doing poor dps and have a question that is bugging me out. You guys use garrote or mutilate to get from 4 cp to 5, or 5 to 6? is that global worth or do I just send it where it lands between 4-7?

[restive falcon]

crafted a crit/haste ring to replace circlet but now my mastery is to close to my crit and sometimes now when my flask cycles i get Crit Signet instead of masteyr signet

gotta find someone to fix the gap

[coral ibex]

recraft to haste/mast

ez

[restive falcon]

i did orignally

then crit/mast was a dps gain

[vapid gorge]

i use poison knife

[runic hinge]

Always finish 5+

Send garrote if it’s in pandemic if not mutilate

[restive falcon]

maybe i go mastery flask or jsut rng it every pull and prayge i get mastery signet

[coral ibex]

dont mast flask

you grief your pot

[restive falcon]

my mastery at 18,869 and crit is at 16,418 when its not mast or crit alchemical

[coral ibex]

you need more mastery

you must have multiple pieces without

might be worth to just craft those slots

[restive falcon]

ive done prof crafted gear with all master + x

and none of its an upgrade :/

[rancid wind]

Does Arterial Precision allow Shiv to AOE soothe?

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice spire]

Not full aoe but everything it hits yes

[restive falcon]

was tihking of taking dps lsot to get rid of the crit/mast ring i crafted

[charred mango]

was that sim bug fixed? for items you dont have

[balmy condor]

no

[rancid wind]

How does Arterial precision pick its extra targets? is it based off your Shiv target or yourself?

[fathom flax]

!ironwire

[winged sun]

Idk but it has a very long range

[fathom flax]

okay i was hopeful, if i wanna get iron wire in the bleed build what do i drop

doomblade?

[novel star]

second shiv i believe

[fathom flax]

òk

hate that

[dreamy quail]

can you equip 2 Everforged Stabbers? it says unique-equiped, but wanted to make sure

[coral ibex]

its like 2% on d slice

[coral ibex]

yes but you dont want to craft 2

if at all possible

[novel star]

or sbs doomblade but like it’s sbs that talent feels too good

[coral ibex]

offhand should be your last craft tbh

or the result of making ur main hand ur offhand after getting a real dagger

[dreamy quail]

having shitty luck in mythic raid and with cap gone on crest, trying to use my extra sparks

[coral ibex]

oh yea if you have extra then send it

offhand dps just means basically nothing

its just a stat stick

[kindred imp]

with rupture sniping, is it worth doing on mythic stix? On scrapmasters, they kinda live a bit longer?

[drifting cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741275386188529734/1372656620034592869/3882ade1b2e0cab5893c24ec180af244.gif

@balmy condor pls fix or I will write about it in your twitch chat

[coral ibex]

yea

if they show up in mouseover range

[restive falcon]

yea my shit is bricked, i sim mastery + x for crafts and it still is dps loss so idk what to do

[fast phoenix]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak eagle]

k yo just fuck your outlaw rogue

unless this is like

your first night on sprocket

[coral ibex]

thats hilarious

[runic hinge]

That is so funny

[ebon glen]

jajajaja

[drifting cloud]

this was 1 pull with an alt run

[oak eagle]

...

[radiant kettle]

I've heard a few people say on YouTube guides/reddit etc that Feral is the only spec in the game that snapshots. This is not true though, right? Don't we snapshot by vanishing to make use of master assassin? We also don't reapply crimson tempest after mobs die to make use of the dam amp from more targets struck, isn't this snapshotting too?

[haughty flicker]

ma does not snapshot

crimson tempest damage based on target count is basically snapshotting

[runic hinge]

CT is a snapshot but you really didn’t play around it before this patch

[haughty flicker]

but people normally think of buffs on you effecting your dots for snapshots so they dont think of ct

[restive falcon]

How big of dps loss is it if my signet rng’s to crit on burst window, im on gally now, if i recraft my ring from crit/mast to haste/mast its a 3k dps loss but guarantees i never signet proc crit

[radiant kettle]

Shouldn't garrote be reapplied while master assassin is up to make use of the crit bonus? Which is why we vanish during deathmark. Or is this old/wrong info?

[haughty flicker]

its more for improved garrote

[drifting cloud]

I dont even remember when that was true

if even

[coral ibex]

does mega magnet snapshot lingering darkness on use?

or does lingering darkness need to be active when the damage appears

bc the magnet shoots a projectile

[drifting cloud]

what are we cooking people just press it once during that 30s window

it doesnt fully stack up in 2min you cant really fuck it up

[coral ibex]

it does tho

if you just rip it early after the opener

[drifting cloud]

well if you do it early then press it twice I dunno, or just make a mental note to press it in last 10s

or make a weakaura for it

[coral ibex]

i'm already playing around it, im just asking if anyone knows how the projectile damage is handled

[drifting cloud]

youre just overthinking it, youre not casting it from 50yards away from the boss

[haughty flicker]

i would assume it matters if the buff is active when the projectile hits, not when its cast

but also yeah this timing would have to be insanely tight

knowing how projectiles work is some nerd ranged shit

and im a melee chad

so

[drifting cloud]

because the answer is: spaghetti by blizz so who knows it might work differently depending on trinket!

refer to Eleem talking about goon trinket a few hours ago for further proof

[coral ibex]

i could just brain off it but its more fun for me to think about it

[runic hinge]

You vanished during dm for master assassin to make your kingsbane crit but now there’s builds that don’t even take imp garrote or master assassin

But it doesn’t snapshot the ma crit bonus and never has

[haughty flicker]

i remember when kb did damage

[runic hinge]

Yeha and people hated it

Kb died for bleed build supremacy and ill allow it for that

[haughty flicker]

we went too far

[drifting cloud]

insane shadow dance gameplay

[runic hinge]

Stacking tea and MA and shit just to pray for your last kb tick to crit so you could find out if you orange or purple parse was a bit annoying but now we’re stuck in the past with people wanting tea for mastery still

I liked dance on sin tbh

[drifting cloud]

it was kinda redundant because you just macrod it

ok maybe some niche m+ applications

[runic hinge]

But I also like snapshotting and uh being able to imp garrote in m+

Whenever

[drifting cloud]

dont say anything about pvp

or boston loses

[runic hinge]

Not that I don’t do that now because ic lasts 15 days and I have 2 vanish charges

Actually s3&4 df I didn’t really play PvP

Burnt myself out getting 3k in s3 and then I raid logged for s4

[golden loom]

denver okc going to game 7 😍

[runic hinge]

Yeah that’s hype

Nuggs in 7

[golden loom]

3:30 AM was too early even for me to wake up for game 6

but now game 7 will be 22:30 my time, perfect

[shy creek]

!rupture

[prisma monolith]

Corrupt the Blood/Rupture Bug
Corrupt the blood can jump to mobs that are out of combat when the rupture-afflicted target changes from harmful to non-harmful
This is repeatable with mind control, but is most common on the third boss of Grim Batol when skipping the two elites before the boss.

You can avoid it by being EXTREMELY careful to not target anything when your target shifts, but otherwise not much to be done. Just be careful and aware as it is a niche bug that should not happen frequently

[shy creek]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[barren yarrow]

anyone make youtube vids havea good source for thumbnails?

[vestal cliff]

does someone have the problem that the envenom buff sometimes randomly disappears?

[haughty flicker]

ive seen it mentioned here before

just a fun little bug we have i guess

[vestal cliff]

ye i guess xD

with whispyrs WA you can see it perfectly when it happens

[slate crown]

Yes, the Asynchronous nature of the buffs causes odd behavior and it can sometimes flicker

The duration on the buff is unreliable and sometimes it will disappear then reappear shortly after. Ultimately the buff does tend to actually be up and down when it is supposed to be, as far as I can tell

But because of the unreliable nature of the actual buff icon visual, it can be unclear

ok buddy

[vestal cliff]

that happend yesterday and it seems like the envenom really drops because after i pressed envenom again i only have 1 instead of 2 stacks

i watched in the logs aswell and it really drops lol

[rotund oak]

why as a rogue would u have raidframes and tracking sac on ur left side friend

[vestal cliff]

tanking sometimes

[rotund oak]

as a rogue?

i mean ok

[vestal cliff]

no XD

[haughty flicker]

do you just not have raidframes at all

[vestal cliff]

i just have the same ui for everything

[rotund oak]

exactly my point 😉

[haughty flicker]

@rotund oak

[rotund oak]

just make it personal ui

as in character

[vestal cliff]

that would be smart yes

but im not smart yes

xD

[rotund oak]

u are

im not calling anyone names

[haughty flicker]

having your ui be similar across your characters is a good thing

i mean i wouldnt be tracking stuff like sac but

the rest is fine

[rotund oak]

yeah ill have my hpally ui on my rogue

[gloomy heart]

10s are so fast this week

[rotund oak]

same as my bear tank ui

[haughty flicker]

healer ui is always cursed

idk what your bear ui looks like that you couldnt use it as rogue though

[rotund oak]

but but u said..

[haughty flicker]

like literally everytghing except healers

can be the same

[vestal cliff]

tracking sac and stuff can be good tho if you know you could die maybe someone can safe you

[haughty flicker]

with minor changes

[rotund oak]

no it cant,bear tracks raidframes and healer cds

rogue doesnt care

its that simple

[haughty flicker]

theres no reason to not have raidframes

lmao

[rotund oak]

well there is no reason to hav eeither

[haughty flicker]

and healer cds is a minor ui difference

[vestal cliff]

can you even disable raid frames in default ui?

[haughty flicker]

yes so my point is entirely correct

in that theres no reason for it to be different

[rotund oak]

well that makes mine correct as well

happy we agree

[haughty flicker]

no because im always correct

[rotund oak]

well u are not correct here

[vestal cliff]

i like waffles

[haughty flicker]

wrong opinion

sorry buddy

we only like pancakes here

[rotund oak]

😂

[vestal cliff]

XDDD

[red schooner]

right opinion

[rotund oak]

yo waffles cant go wrong

[red schooner]

[rotund oak]

[vestal cliff]

[red schooner]

[haughty flicker]

no shot you just double garfed

[cunning needle]

[red schooner]

illegal

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

[cunning needle]

[vestal cliff]

[rotund oak]

heretic

[glad mortar]

Guys, I thought this was actual Discord drama, can you stop trolling me please 🙏

[cunning needle]

we're not

this is serious

[red schooner]

Garf is serious business

[haughty flicker]

nothing is more serious than garf

[red schooner]

[vestal cliff]

[cunning needle]

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

[mystic crest]

[red schooner]

the garf thread has breached containment

[haughty flicker]

this has always been the garf thread

[mystic crest]

this is the maplestory thread aswell

[cunning needle]

hell yeah

maple story gang gang rise up

[mystic crest]

WOOO FIMB

[runic hinge]

[cunning needle]

WOOO JONTIC

[ocean horizon]

what's the command to bring up the stealth window priority

[coral ibex]

i have until monday to unlock void elf

for the mugzee kill

[subtle tundra]

meow

[ocean horizon]

specifically the one that says "leaving mobs at 2% and pulling the next pack is not chain pulling it's called bad tanking" i need to show this to my guildie who wouldnt listen

[haughty flicker]

i didnt even realize you still needed to unlock velf

[mystic crest]

is velf a new maplestory class

[cunning needle]

!restealth

!stealth

!garrote

i tried my best

[coral ibex]

!chaining

[cunning needle]

gl

[coral ibex]

!chain

[haughty flicker]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[haughty flicker]

get fucked

[ocean horizon]

thx <3

[cunning needle]

going back to the main point though

@vestal cliff

i have the same as you

my UI is the same with all my classes

i cbf looking at something different eveyr time

[haughty flicker]

[mystic crest]

real gamers dont have a ui

[vestal cliff]

ye its just comfy this way

[cunning needle]

same reason why i still use luxthos weak auras

because theyre all teh same if you multi class

that being said I have been told my UI is extremely cursed because my raid frames are on the right hand side

but that's just because im right handed

[hollow talon]

What does velf do for mugzee

[cunning needle]

teleport

[hollow talon]

Can you get out of the goon zone

[cunning needle]

yes

[mystic crest]

yo fimb can u come +1 fame me on maplestory

[hollow talon]

Ive been gooning all night maybe I should swap velf

[cunning needle]

IM SO FUCKING KEEN FOR OLD SCHOOL MAPLE STORY

cant wait to fly to orbis and get killed by a balrog

[mystic crest]

[cunning needle]

my auto clicker is so ready for PQs as well

[amber brook]

Which PQ needed an auto clickerf

[mystic crest]

idk what the fuark a pq is

[cunning needle]

kerning city/ludi PQs?

[mystic crest]

i have a 171 hours on maple

[amber brook]

I dont remember them needing an auto clicker for efficiency

[cunning needle]

you needed one to get in

dunno what its like now

[amber brook]

Ohhh

I get what you mean

[cunning needle]

but there used to only be one instance

per each channel

[amber brook]

To even enter the instance

[cunning needle]

yeah

[amber brook]

ye gotcha

CC gaming

[cunning needle]

so in order to get in, you'd need to have an auto clicker

[coral ibex]

why is this what every single oldschool maplestory player remembers

[amber brook]

Because the balrog doesnt always spawn

[cunning needle]

yeah

and objectively you gain nothing from going downstairs

[amber brook]

rare sighting

[cunning needle]

other than not seeing the inside of teh ship

but you did it anyway

or else coward

but yeah gotta have the auto clicker

and also know someone already in a PQ

so you can take their instance when theyre running out

[amber brook]

or pray to a god when you cc

[cunning needle]

as much as i want to go back to old school MS

i dont want to deal with that

so hopefully they have the technology to do instanced PQs

[vestal cliff]

bro underpin got so easy with the ilvl boost

[elfin flame]

wtf lol

[elfin flame]

this was in reply to this

[vestal cliff]

really weird yes

[cinder geode]

Is the upgrade order weapons->trinkets->jewelry->head/legs/chest-> everything else?

[coral ibex]

follow -> sim

[cinder geode]

how would I sim that

[wise plume]

raidbots

do we get 3 more chips next week?

[coral ibex]

no

[plain spruce]

1 eachweek

[wise plume]

[coral ibex]

you get 1 every week following this week

[wise plume]

i better see a damn myth signet in my vault

[cunning needle]

depends on current gear

but yeah basically that

though you kinda only need one trinket

everything else you can craft

[wooden timber]

put the amount of crests / stones you want to spend here and then you can click the + on an item to upgrade it by x amount

can add crafted items here

and click the + on crafted items to test recrafts for stats

u wanna just upgrade every item to max and itll tell u which ones are best with the crests u have

like this

oh the sim type is top gear

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor did you kill

[weak glen]

If my sim says use H pacemaker and H Eye of kezan instead of H HoC, do I listen to it? For M OAB prog.

[balmy condor]

nyet

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

you can, generally probably better in practice to just use your on-use though

like on-use + kezan

for the execute phase

[weak glen]

Thats what I was feeling, thanks

[balmy condor]

pacemaker + kezan is playable though

as long as your cds are in pacemaker

if you're holding cds at all

[subtle tundra]

you will never finish prog

wr 3 billion type shit

[balmy condor]

🥀

I guess I’ll just have to finish you instead

[subtle tundra]

🦅

[haughty flicker]

officially progging the same boss as whispyr

i made it

[subtle tundra]

yea...made it... to wr 3 billion

[quiet oar]

Elitist Varas

smh my head

[jade abyss]

Is there maybe a weakaura that shows me on how many targets i have apply rupture ?

[haughty flicker]

better than wr nothing like before

[flint snow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[prisma coral]

if i remember correctly whispy's plater color codes this on nameplates

which in the long run is likely gonna get you further

[sharp viper]

Iirc luxthos group has a rupture counter, maybe the others do too

[balmy condor]

most weakauras will have a scent of blood counter

[prisma coral]

I am nearing the end of my crest grind, foolishly thinking i was somewhat prepared, I was not.

[red schooner]

I finished mine last night, (which granted was 4 whole m+ dungeons and some t11 delves so, not too bad)

[haughty flicker]

i need to do like 10 12s this weekend

[red schooner]

Ran some 12s last night and mobs absolutely melted, felt stupidly easy

[haughty flicker]

yeah i did a 12 with guildies a couple days ago and thought it was a 10 until i saw the end

[red schooner]

Also, hit 10.1miil base hp

I am immortal

[prisma coral]

yeah my rogue hasn't really had fuck all to upgrade in ages and valorstones were my gate even stealing from the B team alts

[red schooner]

I normally just do 10-12s for the vault but yeah, almost +3'd a 12 ML in an uncoordinated as fuck pug

[prisma coral]

my other toon has been like a triage

[haughty flicker]

my main issue is i need to craft 3 items

so thats 90 crests per slot

[prisma coral]

90 schmeckles for a ticket sir

[red schooner]

I had 500 in my bank from upgrade achievements, and I also had that cracked keystone quest complete but saved up, so that was another 15 gilded and 300 stones

[prisma coral]

roughly where I was valorstones went fast as fuck

[red schooner]

Yeah I didn't think I'd run out so quickly, 380 stones to upgrade from 6/8 mythic to 8/8

Painful

[prisma coral]

yup weapons almost wipe you out

almost seems like an engagement system for the engaged

but what do I know

[red schooner]

Crafted offhand thankfully, dodged some of the stones

[thin portal]

im thinking of

[haughty flicker]

meanwhile i have 1800 valorstones and only one upgrade left to send that isnt crafted

2 actually i just lied to your face

[red schooner]

you cheeky fucker

[radiant raven]

can I have some of them

[thin portal]

guys

[red schooner]

No I need them to feed to esquie

He demands stones

[haughty flicker]

only if you give me 390 gilded crests

[thin portal]

what is the uptime of Ascension embelishment

100%?

looks like it

[prisma coral]

unrelated, you know that rookery trinket "sigil of algari concordance" am I crazy for thinking that thing shows up far too often in vaults?

[haughty flicker]

ive not seen it a single time

[prisma coral]

starting to feel personal

it's been 1 of my 3 M+ options 5/6 weeks

often showing up with its pal "remnant of darkness"

[balmy condor]

I've only seen it drop twice the whole expansion

never in vault

feels like it never drops

[red schooner]

I think I've looted 2 of them now. I keep one in the bags just in case it gets giga buffed for some reason

[thin portal]

if u get the double stat that makes it 2x89 = 178x10 = 1780 random stat vs x2 vers embelishments at 1500

oops wrong channel

[sharp viper]

no please teach me more

[radiant raven]

yeah valid I would give them to esquie too

he's my friend and very powerful

[red schooner]

He makes me feel wheeeeee when the game makes me feel whoooo

[radiant raven]

Same

[real pike]

Is there a way to see on warcraftlogs what rank a parse was at the time of locking in rather than the live one?

[sharp viper]

it's always at the time of locking - there is the today's % to put it into context

[rotund oak]

u watching Zen on twitch?

[sharp viper]

yes

[rotund oak]

😉

[real pike]

I thought the rank (not %) was todays

[rotund oak]

trolling that dragon endlessly

laughing so hard rn

[arctic dust]

!stix

[tall atlas]

anyone else feeling massive differentials between KBs on pull

i end between 14-20m

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gydz2WAaL49ZgYBC?fight=5&type=damage-done&graphperf=1 on pull vs 2min cd is a huge difference here

[subtle tundra]

huh?

whats confusing

[golden loom]

you telling me the KB with lust and pot does more damage than the one that doesnt?

[tall atlas]

no

the other way around

my pull kb was 14m my mid pull kb with dm was 20m

[golden loom]

well in your case the bosses were in execute range on the 2nd one probably

[tall atlas]

tit

[subtle tundra]

execute + maghar orc giving you mastery instead of crit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778538305779269682/1370165617738518669/ezgif-2e99328e891cf1.gif

[tall atlas]

the execute makes sense but on pull i think the racial must be the differential

ty lads and ladettes

[subtle tundra]

on pull you got crit

and later you got mastery

[tall atlas]

amazing ty

[little cedar]

Guys if i want to see the best talent builds for raid and m+ that people use which site should i check?

[hexed frost]

Flood is literally made for assassination enjoyers

Very cool blizzard. Gib more

[static glacier]

Have you heard of rupture rodd?

Or Envenom Edd

[hexed frost]

I have a rod capable of internal rupture if that counts

[static glacier]

Or Fan of Knives Frank

[hexed frost]

[mortal badger]

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor can you make fatebound viable?

ty

[hollow dirge]

it's viable. on sprocket. yet nobody plays it. it's kind of in the name of the tree. it's fate is bound to be unplayed

[worn geyser]

on stix yall dont hard swap to the bombshells right u just like at most rupture one and spatter them to death; edit probably also same thing for rik, oab, mugzee and gally right

[hidden bay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bYhDFx78c4zJg1VG?fight=41&type=summary&source=7 i did

[subtle tundra]

" i did" 🥀

[hidden bay]

brother, fatebound is ass

ok, now deathstalker https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Yawx4MNp7n82tzgL?fight=24&type=damage-done

[subtle tundra]

! pogs

MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW

[red schooner]

The big momma boss on bleed build, 10/10

[red schooner]

I considered it but went nah, fuck that

[royal lantern]

i wish big momma would tank Buster me

[hexed frost]

Envenom maxxing also

Big splatters

[hollow dirge]

we all did 😄

[royal lantern]

my thought Process was:

"hm it could Work on sprocket"

"but wait, i tried out fatebound on a mythic reclear NP, and didnt got the capstone active on 5 bosses lol"

[hollow dirge]

it's nice to sim it though hahaha

[royal lantern]

its so much fun to see yourself getting 5 or 6 flips and then it breaks

:3

[balmy condor]

Highroll maybe?

Like

Just proc?

[hidden bay]

ill try on sunday

[golden loom]

maybe try to not be noob

[balmy condor]

If you flip good you win

[red schooner]

My thought process was:

[balmy condor]

:3

[red schooner]

but what if flip bad?

[hidden bay]

i am done with the game tho, theres no upgrades for me anymore

[balmy condor]

Then you parse like noob herp

[red schooner]

shit

[hidden bay]

refusing to go back to old build

[golden loom]

that is also fake data

[red schooner]

How much variance is there between a fatebound with decent rolls and fatebound with bad rolls?

[golden loom]

just proc blindside endlessly and VV stomps on noob MA

[royal lantern]

what is decent and what is bad

[red schooner]

I like being able to save vanish for things, it's nice

[red schooner]

I'll say hitting capstone v no capstone

For the sake of I don't know enough about fatebound to answer

[royal lantern]

well, not hitting capstone is really really bad

[red schooner]

I want numbers tryan!

Like, a pull if you capstone v a pull with no capstone, what's the difference DPS wise

Just cos I'm curious, still not gonna touch fatebound

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor fulfill is kinda dumb wish pls

i have the "im on phone" excuse

[golden loom]

isnt it like 12 or 15 or 400%

[royal lantern]

[red schooner]

I just like knowing things okay

[balmy condor]

Idk off the top of my head really I think it’s like 7 or 8%

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

Think it’s 7

Around there

[red schooner]

And, in an average fight are you likely to hit capstone or is it 50 50?

[golden loom]

not hitting it at all is pretty unlikely

[balmy condor]

You have to hit a 50/50 in opener

After that 50/50 it’s uh

Complicated

The math breaks down pretty quickly

[royal lantern]

OH REALLY????

[red schooner]

Ye that's fair

[royal lantern]

tell me about it 🙂

[balmy condor]

I’m sure a sim has the average uptime and you could glean something from that

[red schooner]

I was just thinking like, if you did 100 pulls, how often would you not hit capstone

[balmy condor]

But I can’t do that in my head

[balmy condor]

Ever?

A very low number

[golden loom]

well for me its 100% this season actually, cause I only played it on 1 pull of heroic sprocket and didnt hit capstone and went back to deathstalker

[red schooner]

Yeah I'm just on mobile and it's either I ask questions in here or I actually do my job

So

[balmy condor]

Like every deathmark is a 50/50

[red schooner]

Also ye it's nice knowing how things work

[balmy condor]

Cause you always envenom -> dm -> cb env -> vanish cb env right

So worst case you’re always 1-0 -> 2-1 -> 4-1

[royal lantern]

bruh why the quality so Shit

[balmy condor]

But the 50/50 comes from a double flip before hand from stealth in opener

So like

If you can get to 3-0 instead of 1-0

You have to hit the envenom after that

[golden loom]

thats the frustrating part, opener is when you ofc want to hit capstone cause u want it ASAP, you also have the best chance in the opener

and still you can miss

gg...

[balmy condor]

You always need a 4 though somewhere

[red schooner]

Is the tree mostly passive then? Other than hiding CB to kingsbane?

[royal lantern]

its 100% passive

[balmy condor]

Like 3-0 into a deathmark ends you at 6-3, and then you gotta hit the 4th

[red schooner]

Fair. Legit never tried it

[royal lantern]

macro cb with kb and do vanish+envenom on your 2nd dm envenom

[balmy condor]

So really you can boil it down to needing 4 in a row

[royal lantern]

thats fatebound

nothing else

rest is just "flip good lol xddddddd"

delete that shit allready

[balmy condor]

So then mean streak is 17, normal is 50

[quiet oar]

So wahr Bruder

[balmy condor]

Hypothetically if you could squeeze in only envenoms

You’d be looking at 0.67^4

Wait

No

Cause the first starts the chain

So it’s 100% to flip any coin, 67%^3 to then hit the following 3 chain

So that’s like uh

20%?

So basically any given deathmark chain is a roughly 1/5 I guess

[red schooner]

I know why I never tried that hero spec now

It sounds grim

[balmy condor]

Not entirely 1/5 cause you double flip from stealth and those are guaranteed

So you would start the chain on 2

And then only need 0.67^2

[royal lantern]

wanna know the worst part

outlaw wants to play it

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

Which is a respectable 44%

[ashen totem]

we need a new fatebound m+ spec to come up, assa discord is too quiet

[balmy condor]

This feels wrong

These numbers are so low

Am I dumb

[subtle tundra]

fucking dumb shit fatecucking

[balmy condor]

What did I fuck up

[golden loom]

yeah the first envenom is when u are on 2 but it doesnt have any extra chance to match

so if u fail 50/50

gg..

[winged sun]

[red schooner]

I'm not sure, but I'd probably need to have the hero tree in front of me to understand it fully

[balmy condor]

Im gonna scroll up and check my math

[subtle tundra]

like a lot. bro youre a wowhead writer

[red schooner]

Cos I don't fully understand the tree

[balmy condor]

This is what I get for 3:30am fatebound flip math

OH

I DIDNT COUNT THE ORIGINAL EDGE

[golden loom]

from DM?

[red schooner]

I'm sorry for inflicting this upon you I thought the math was already worked out

I just didn't know where to find the math

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s edge, cb, cb vanish

So 4 guaranteed

[nova kelp]

query, M Mugzee - does evasion completely avoid the mine pop?

[balmy condor]

So 3 chain

[balmy condor]

You pop the mine but it doesn’t damage you

[balmy condor]

It is but it’s dumb and boring so I just do the math again every time

Okay

Here we go

So because it’s edge, cb, cb vanish for 4

[royal lantern]

wait what, rogue can pop mines??

[balmy condor]

You need 3

[balmy condor]

Yes now shut up I’m flipping coins

Stealth is guarantee 2 of same

So then you just hit the 67% on pull

And hit

[golden loom]

Wait in the opener couldnt you: first rupture (2) -> CB Envenom (3 guaranteed) -> DM (4) -> 2nd CB (5) -> vanish -> 7

[balmy condor]

Yes okay numbers are making sense

[golden loom]

pausechamp

[balmy condor]

Dawg what

No

[golden loom]

where does it break

[balmy condor]

The vanish?

How are you going 5-7

[golden loom]

cause u get 2 flips after stealth?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

But how are you guaranteeing that

[golden loom]

oh wait yeah the 2 flips are matches

but not guaranteed to match the previous

I see..

[balmy condor]

You just moved the 50/50 later

Well

[blissful storm]

Is there a nice weakaura that would remind of incoming big damage that we can cloak or evasion or feint for liberation of undermine?

[balmy condor]

You moved the 67/33 to a 50/50

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

Bigwigs

Like you’re describing a boss mod

Big boss mechanic comes in

Large horn sound

[royal lantern]

BEWARE

[lime musk]

You can also get bigwigs voice which gives you all the warnings in TTS alerts

[royal lantern]

i rather ropeneck myself

then hearing TTS alerts 24/7

[golden loom]

I use DBM cause I need the TTS

frontal

[balmy condor]

@red schooner okay so yes, edge->cb->cb jeopardy is 4 in a row

On opener Jeopardy 2, mean streak envenom would be 67% to go to 3, so 67% on opener to hit capstone. On non-stealth opener, the envenom misses, or consequent DM’s you would not have the jeopardy, be at 1, then need to hit the 67% to 2, and 67% to 3, which is 45%

[red schooner]

Okay, not as dire as I first thought it'd be

[balmy condor]

So generally like a rough 50/50 per deathmark

[red schooner]

Judging from what I heard in here I thought it'd be a lot lower

[subtle tundra]

you look 50/50

[golden loom]

wait the mean streak envenom to go to 3 is not a mean streak tho?

[balmy condor]

Why not

[golden loom]

in the opener? wouldnt first finisher to flip coins be rupture

and then u do a dry envenom that doesnt have mean streak

[balmy condor]

What

Sorry my brain hurts

Trying to understand

Why does that matter

[golden loom]

okay so you open

[balmy condor]

Yes

You get 2 of whatever doesn’t matter

You envenom

[golden loom]

yeah

and its a 50/50 to go to 3 or to 1

not 67%?

[balmy condor]

Oh cause it has to be envenom into envenom

Yeah sure okay

[golden loom]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Whatever

50/50

[golden loom]

yeah was just making sure I wasnt misunderstanding even more

[balmy condor]

I cannot be doing advanced coin flip math at 3:30

[golden loom]

its all prep for next tier

when it becomes meta

[balmy condor]

Well, hopefully capstone is guaranteed if it becomes meta

And then none of this math matters

Cause fatebound meta without capstone

Sounds awful

[golden loom]

yeah its also sad that there is no cool way to guarantee it

[balmy condor]

I mean there is

It’s just not good

[golden loom]

double vanish?

[balmy condor]

But you could just rupture from stealth, skip the envenom, double vanish

[red schooner]

Hopefully it only becomes meta after it gets reworked

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna be honest

Idk if fatebound rework is in the cards for this expac

That seems a bit much

Was there any hero talent rework for 11.1?

[ashen totem]

The class trees are supposed to be an "evergreen feature". Whats the plan to spice things up between expansions, replace the hero trees with other hero themes?

[balmy condor]

Probably expanded hero trees idk

[red schooner]

Yeah but I can dream

[ashen totem]

instead of fatebound/trickster/deathstalker we get silencer/jester/nightblade or some shit

[balmy condor]

No lmao

I can’t imagine they spend all that effort on hero talents just to throw them in the dumpster for new ones

[ashen totem]

but, a lot of people identify with the jester hero tree 😦

[balmy condor]

The amount of work to get a hero talent that thematically fits with two specs is hard enough already

And they got their own visuals and active skills and shit

Forget it

[ashen totem]

yeah having to fit 2 specs is a chore for sure

[golden loom]

why did they even do that

[balmy condor]

Do what

[golden loom]

sharing hero trees between 2 specs

like I get that it cuts down on work

but it also feels weird in many situations

[ashen totem]

i doubt it cuts down on work

if anything, thats more work

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s meant to tie specs together

As a whole of a class

Like the idea behind it to start was having “sub classes” basically

So like what’s an assassination rogue that sub-specs into outlaw

Fatebound

[golden loom]

hmm I guess in a world where the talent trees are better it makes some sense

[balmy condor]

Frostfire for example on mage

[hollow dirge]

I think it's not that easy for some classes to find a lot of good working ideas, so two is just easier, creative wise.
I feel like rogues have quite a few better unused fantasies than fatebound though.

[balmy condor]

Also imagine if they were spec specific, that would be 6 per class, yikes

[golden loom]

yeah

[hollow dirge]

this seems to be the main reason for it tbh

[golden loom]

and 8 if you are a druid

[balmy condor]

I mean the bloat of 78 hero talents is a good reason lmao

[hollow dirge]

did not say it's bad

[native turret]

any sudden demise enjoyers in the chat

[hollow dirge]

i agree with it fully

[balmy condor]

Ya

[hollow dirge]

just think they failed to be very creative on rogue

[red schooner]

I got a 33mil last night, good times

[native turret]

i bout nutted

[balmy condor]

It’s just awkward to make some of them

Mage ones I assume are much easier than rogue

[golden loom]

warrior has the best ones

[balmy condor]

Frost + Fire is literally just blue + red

That one is just free

[golden loom]

wish rogue had something that felt as cool as Mountain Thane

[native turret]

wish any of rogue's hero trees were cool

they all suck, the themes are bad, and they don't look cool

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Rogue taking L again

[native turret]

oh a purple mark on this guy, which sometimes mf disappears

cool flipping coins I LOVE RNG

i dont even know what the other fuckin one does tbh, hidden blades? im ezio idk

[golden loom]

Deathstalker even sounds like it has potential to have some cool visual stuff

[ashen totem]

Im already glad they are mostly passive and dont get in the way + dont care about visuals much

[native turret]

deathstalker mark should be on us not the enemy

[golden loom]

like make stealth look different or something, give me a fkin crosshair on the target

[native turret]

dont @ me

[red schooner]

@native turret

[native turret]

dammit

[balmy condor]

Debuff you get all the time and does extra dam on an envenom every 20 seconds or so

[hollow dirge]

only thing that's an ok,just ok fantasy is deathstalker, though I do not think they actually made it well or gave us any cool spell effects that would make us really feel the fantasy of it

[balmy condor]

It’s basically just deathstalker but better in every imaginable way

[hollow dirge]

yeah

[balmy condor]

I’m ngl

[native turret]

if assassination had trickster would we be eatin good

[balmy condor]

Well unless you’re outlaw and bitch about killing spree which is valid

But just conceptually trickster is deathstalker but better

[red schooner]

Some kind of alchemist hero tree would be neat, focusing on weird poison/debuff things

[winged sun]

[red schooner]

But then tying that into the other two

Is awkward

[native turret]

i think next expansion, they'll give us more hero trees

[winged sun]

Guys guys can we cry for sin buffs

[native turret]

maybe give healers some new ones so everyone can get some shield healin besides disc

[winged sun]

Like

We’re clearly lacking survivability and dps right

[native turret]

i need big ST buffs

bigly

[subtle tundra]

ive been saying this since tww start

nerf assa

[balmy condor]

I don’t think they care if you’re getting one shot in a 20

[subtle tundra]

please

[winged sun]

Highest st in m+ needs a st buff wdym

[red schooner]

Nah, don't want buffs, better hero trees though, I want that

[native turret]

buff us for raid, dont worry about m+

[ashen totem]

assassin cant assassinate, just gets assassinated by air

[golden loom]

yeah we deffo need raid buffs

[winged sun]

I agree

[royal lantern]

Packleader for hunter iirc?

and Dark Ranger got bigger changes aswell

[winged sun]

Buff crimson tempest

Best buff

[balmy condor]

Hm okay well maybe rogue then copium

[winged sun]

Dude if they buff envenom

I’ll lose my shit completely

[royal lantern]

average assassination patchnotes

[balmy condor]

Same because that would be the dumbest shit I could think of

[hollow dirge]

surgeon rogue should've been a hero class 😄 kidney shot becomes detach kidney, kills bosses on second use, 4 min cd, fuck sudden demise

[native turret]

sometimes on opener of mugzee im doing 4 mil cruising, sometimes im doing 3.2 mil. envenom is the culprit, buff it

[balmy condor]

But that… makes it worse

[native turret]

ahem

buff it only GOOD

[balmy condor]

Makes sense

[native turret]

thank you

[golden loom]

idk this mugzee boss is gonna explode on sunday

[native turret]

we also have single digit mugzee pulls

[subtle tundra]

i wanna explode 💦

[native turret]

he should die sunday too

[vast shuttle]

can u play jastor 671 and flesfluid ring 684 and cast away circlet?

[hollow dirge]

at this point, the way our spec works,to buff st, they should just buff melee a bunch, if they want to avoid us doing much more aoe 😄

[native turret]

we can be sunday mugzee eskimo brothers

[balmy condor]

Does it sim higher

[red schooner]

[native turret]

jastor or the crit mastery myth ring is only way i see circlet go in trash

but guess what, i sim highest for jastor so if it drops :))

[winged sun]

Honestly melee’s need to do more dps im tired of the ranged meta cringe shit they dps from 10 miles away have infinite utility and defensives this shit is trash man

[native turret]

i dont even have to waste a chip

[golden loom]

btw this talent is so broken wtf!!!!!!!!

nerf!½

[native turret]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-shades-off-shocked-surprised-wtf-gif-214049199930703289

[balmy condor]

Yah literally broken

It’s been bugged since alpha

[winged sun]

Wait

[native turret]

vanilla alpha?

[golden loom]

yeah it stops counting at 30% right?

and then procs at 20%

[subtle tundra]

fuck off

[winged sun]

Does that mean sin can do more dps???

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

Not in m+

[native turret]

sin can always do more dps if you bribe your officers into giving you all the loot

[balmy condor]

Only on long ass raid fights

And it wouldn’t matter anyway

Cause the talent is like 0.3% when it works

And 0.1% when it doesn’t

So who fucking cares

[native turret]

so its better than the hot sauce buff

confirmed

[balmy condor]

True

[winged sun]

Hot sauce buff can suck my balls

[native turret]

it does suck balls

perhaps even yours

[balmy condor]

Call me hot sauce buff I guess

[golden loom]

this is just as god intended though

[native turret]

wait a minute

[balmy condor]

What

[winged sun]

Wait a minute

[native turret]

nothing

[balmy condor]

Must’ve been the wind

[native turret]

dm'd you

who are we hunting down btw

[winged sun]

Weight a minute

[golden loom]

them

[native turret]

hopefully cute femboys

[balmy condor]

35 grams

[native turret]

@golden loom y'wanna know something fucked

[midnight mist]

ross

[spice surge]

2 tablespoons

[native turret]

im perma left 2nd prison, i cant even spatter on everything

[midnight mist]

ross you are cooked

[native turret]

they use me to help lock kill add

[midnight mist]

on god

[golden loom]

if I get into prison and rescue/lifegrip fails

[balmy condor]

Says the goon team guy

[golden loom]

im just standing afk kicking the mob, or it dies too fast

[native turret]

im not allowed to leave the 2nd one at all because lock has no cds there and he hits like wet noodle

[midnight mist]

jealous much ?

[golden loom]

our lock sends the add to the shadow realm everytime

[native turret]

im void elf so

i can leave when i want

[balmy condor]

Yes I’m fuming

[native turret]

im just not allowed to

[midnight mist]

understandable

[native turret]

one time i did kill an add just in time for split second wall to fall down and icicle hit me in the nuts

was pretty comical

[golden loom]

I think lusting on pull is not too far away also

[native turret]

yeah i kinda wanna try that

[golden loom]

we are doing the 4 heal fast push thingy and still had to stop damage

[native turret]

we are not stopping damage

we get to 2nd prison, phase him before he fingerguns

then we lust

they said the adds are not worth saving damage

we got him to single digit so i assume they know what they are doing

i just zug zug

[golden loom]

yeah like during 2nd prisons we had to stop dam or he would phase

[native turret]

like inside the prisons?

you must have more dev evokers than us

[red schooner]

3% more damage as well next week

Bosses gonna melt

[native turret]

we are killing him sunday

[golden loom]

and corruptions

[native turret]

dont jinx us