assassination

[balmy condor]

just gale barrier?

bro who cares

[lethal arrow]

tru

[balmy condor]

you're literally him

[lethal arrow]

i like having 5 health bars

who tf needs iframes

[balmy condor]

gale is basically just iframe

but infinite duration if you have hands

my second burn in summer is thunder breaker

am I chopped

[wooden timber]

i think cadenas hardest thing is with the cd reset ia

[lethal arrow]

i have a DW thats like CRA ready

but i cba with alts

[wooden timber]

reacting to those correctly is so hard

[balmy condor]

yah

[wooden timber]

but otherwise its ok way lower apm than blaster

[balmy condor]

cd skip cadena sounds aids

[lethal arrow]

if u wanna be true lazy

[balmy condor]

blaster is way higher apm, it's just easier apm

[lethal arrow]

demon slayer and nightwalker

[balmy condor]

cause you gotta no reload

[lethal arrow]

and BM

very lazy

[wooden timber]

if they put class wa packs under ur feet in ms itd be easier

[lethal arrow]

demon bite demon slayer is the closest we have to legal botting

[balmy condor]

I mean they kinda do

[wooden timber]

nrl with bunker buster is so hard

no bb is easy

[grim jay]

I'ma download maple story and show you the greatest shadower around

[lethal arrow]

nobody tell him about the vac pet

[balmy condor]

bro this dude know too much, he hitn me with the nrl bunker buster tech

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

bust your bunker

[mystic crest]

rename this to maplestory chat

[balmy condor]

this channel been maplestory chat

it's just offtopic 2

[mystic crest]

and im here for it

im 2 weeks dry on zakum face accessory

[balmy condor]

honestly

I could make a thread in the other games thing

[runic hinge]

offtopic 1.0

[balmy condor]

are there enough of us

to justify a maplestory thread

[mystic crest]

idk maybe

[lethal arrow]

maplestory is arguably a little better than wow rn

[balmy condor]

that's not insane to say

[cinder steppe]

cyrce is bis even with the turbo boost right?

[balmy condor]

for some yes

for other no

[lethal arrow]

actually i lied

i like progging mythic

[cinder steppe]

okay thanks!

[lethal arrow]

i hate booming my pitch

[balmy condor]

I boomed 3 zerks

[mystic crest]

i like not logging into wow so i can shadowbite farm without my -cd hat

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

wow that's cringe

[lethal arrow]

i boomed 1 zerk, 1 eye patch, 2 eternal hats

[balmy condor]

wait maybe that's what I do on my nw

[lethal arrow]

last 4-5 months

[balmy condor]

does my nw have a -4

[wooden timber]

no i dont im too noob to do it

im not good enough to play blaster

[lethal arrow]

bro really likes the apm classes

[balmy condor]

nvm -4 hat is 36bil LOL

not doing that

[lethal arrow]

just be a bowmaster main

[prisma coral]

and if your sim is super close remember to consider the stam again in your decision

[lethal arrow]

that class is op asf

[wooden timber]

im having a ton of fun but this is my first season playing wow

[mystic crest]

-2 is also pre alright

[wooden timber]

well i did delves s1

[cinder steppe]

true! thanks

[wooden timber]

but i like this game way more than xiv

[lethal arrow]

do not look up 3 line secondary

[balmy condor]

I think my nw and my db have -2

[mystic crest]

but bite farming without 1-2shot bats sucks

[balmy condor]

buddy I know

[lethal arrow]

@balmy condor ill hit tonight

[balmy condor]

surely

[lethal arrow]

i have another 200b in storage

[mystic crest]

yo can i get some

[haughty flicker]

[wooden timber]

i just like always having something tangible to work on

[balmy condor]

dude is the wap himself

[haughty flicker]

is this the pain i have in my future

[wooden timber]

current sin vv build drives me insane because i try to invent stuff to improve on but nothing matters

[red schooner]

Tonight is surely the night that sims work again and I can replace circlet. Surely.

[balmy condor]

if you're a grinder, yes

crash is like degen 15 waps a day with that kinda money

[lethal arrow]

*was

[balmy condor]

once a wapper always a wapper

[lethal arrow]

but again back to wapping cuz of fucking fams

yeah well im weak asf

think i go up 60m cp if i get those fams

[balmy condor]

I really SHOULD wap now that I have my 426% drop

but I also

can't be fucked

[mystic crest]

small combat power

[lethal arrow]

yeah im weak

[mystic crest]

ill see u at cra

[lethal arrow]

ty

[balmy condor]

okay I make a thread

surely it doesn't die in like a week right

[mystic crest]

ill keep it alive king

[haughty flicker]

[mystic crest]

i will talk to myself

[balmy condor]

look

all I'm saying

is if we have a hearthstone thread that's dead

maple deserves one

[mystic crest]

send it

[balmy condor]

hold

I don't know how this shit works

[mystic crest]

this is now the new maplestory thread

assassination talk is now off topic

[red schooner]

Always has been

[mystic crest]

TRUE

[glacial scroll]

Rogue best class

[grim jay]

Shadower best class

[balmy condor]

OKAY

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

WHAT

IS THIS SHIT

DISCORD IS ACTUALLY HORRID

[mystic crest]

Nightwalker 🔝

[prisma coral]

a bit more each day

[red schooner]

What happened?

[royal lantern]

discord mobile i gues

[mystic crest]

tryna make a maplestory thread thingo

[red schooner]

Yeah but trying to do most things on mobile v doing it on PC is shit

[runic hinge]

I don’t think I can remix on pc tho and that’s important

[grim jay]

Is shadower good?

[balmy condor]

everything is good if you enjoy it

[lethal arrow]

play what u like

it doesnt matter unless ur end end game

[grim jay]

But does it pull the numbers

You know the drill

[balmy condor]

yes it pulls the numbers

[grim jay]

Might actually download maple story later

And give it a shot

[balmy condor]

okay well

thread is alive

I figured it out

[lethal arrow]

most ppl play it cuz theyve played it since they were young

i wont advise against it but its a marathon game

[grim jay]

Im playing bdo since release

[lethal arrow]

oh then u know the struggle

have fun

[grim jay]

Tho im at a point where I just log in and grind an hour or two if I feel like it. Every upgrade requires atleast weeks of grinding rn

Weeks as in 3 digits actual grinding time

[prisma coral]

more of a meditation than a game really

at that point

[grim jay]

Yeah basically. Just do some stuff for the fun, watch a movie on the side or something

[haughty flicker]

i played bdo for a long time

then i took a break adn they deleted my account

played it like once since and havent gone back

[lavish portal]

Hey, the talent Rapid Injections give 10% env dmg when we have envenom buff, when we play with TTK and we have 2x envenom buff so our next env does 20% more right?

[prisma coral]

unrelated - that new belt thing we are getting is just a recolor of the, "waist of time" from BFA which interestingly had a kind of swinging dick pedulum until bliz quickly removed it.

[grim jay]

Thats probably when they switched from kakao to PA

[balmy condor]

yes

[haughty flicker]

ye

[grim jay]

You had some time to migrate the account and they deleted it if you didnt

[haughty flicker]

apparently they sent out emails but i missed them

so gg

[iron carbon]

My coworkers

Missing my mails

Then complaining cause there's a server maintenance "WhY i CaNt CoNnEcT?"

Yes, I'm pissed

[thin portal]

whispyr

am i muted

nobody responding to me

[next dust]

[keen spruce]

[lethal arrow]

[thin portal]

im not muted

[runic basin]

Guys, quick question, please no hate.
I’m using Luxthos’ Weakaura package. As soon as I press Shiv, I get the Supercharger procs (3 additional combo points). If I then have Darkest Night in the opener, I need to finish with max combo points, right?
As long as Supercharger is active, I can already finish at a regular 3 combo points, correct?

[red schooner]

Ignore supercharger

Just send it at your usual amounts

Pretend it doesn't exist

[runic basin]

Yes but you dont understand my question

[hexed frost]

Playing with ret paladins and shamans in keys is such a humilation ritual lmao

667 ilvl palas and shammys outdpsing my 672 ilvl ass

[runic basin]

In opener, when you have the darkest night procc, it is wasted to stack up to max combopoints bcs you want as many envenoms as possible in thr DM / KB window

[royal lantern]

he did and he gave you a answer

you ignore supercharger exists and Play like you would normally do

always

super charger is basically just a passive dmg increase, you never play "around it"

[red schooner]

Also having as many envenoms in the DM window doesn't change much, you're not gaining a benefit from it by sending weaker envenoms slightly more often than sending the maxed envenom

[royal lantern]

thats why you develop a kink for that

[runic basin]

Okay maybe my bad..i know that i ignore it. I have no idea how to explain it well.

While the Darkest night procc is up, it says you need to finish at MAX Combopoints. In that window also SC is up, and normal rule is to finish at 4+ CB.

SOOOO when SC is up, can u still finsih with 4+ points right?

[lethal arrow]

just keep doing 5

unless you really need to fit in an envenom for something

[red schooner]

You CAN, you just don't want to

[royal lantern]

5+ is the rule, not 4+

[balmy condor]

if you finish on 4, it counts as 7, and that would trigger darkest night

it's not a gain or a loss either way

[runic basin]

Thats what i mean in opener it feels way smoother

[balmy condor]

sure I guess

nothing inherently wrong

so I guess go for it idk

[tall atlas]

whats the name of the addon that you can use to assign gearset to talen builds and not just specs

eg bleed build gearset to Raid gearset

[runic basin]

Thanks all for your help

[red schooner]

I was under the impression that it was a gain to just ignore supercharger, huh

[balmy condor]

nop

it just

literally doesn't matter

you trade more mark/darkest night

for worse energy efficiency

and it ends up being net 0

[runic basin]

Try it, i mean it feels way better in opener and when it comes to the second shiv window

[balmy condor]

like it's more marks, but they're worse

so it's whatever

[sonic pagoda]

um get good?

[hexed frost]

Not when tank keeps chaining trash when there is a single mob left at 15% from last pull

[haughty flicker]

just play ret

its basically a rogue spec anyway

[hexed frost]

You're actually not wrong

[haughty flicker]

i've never been wrong in my entire life

[sonic pagoda]

whats hard about maunally applying bleeds with out stealth? idk i be smashing

[hexed frost]

Which is the best wow expansion?

[haughty flicker]

it would be wrong to answer that

[sonic pagoda]

if rogue to hard play ret or warrior lmao

ez pz

surv hunter feels pretty good

[hexed frost]

By the time you apply 4 ruptures, CT and get into splatter window, that pala is cooking 10M dps

[hexed frost]

12 years playing rogue.

Too old to play anything else

[hexed frost]

[red schooner]

Don't take the bait

[sonic pagoda]

what on one trash pull?

im sure you get a vanish in there somwhere lmao

[hexed frost]

Take priory for example.

Endless chaining

[sonic pagoda]

yeah i just finished all my 12s yet to push higher maybe idk what im talkng about but i was cooking everyone in the 12 crest farms rarely beaten but maybe they dont live long enough idk

yeah i do fine in endless chaining

assa use to didnt have subterfuge only sub talent so idk its ez with whatever

[near valley]

endless chaining = endless suffering

[hexed frost]

I'm doing 14s though so maybe cooked

[hexed frost]

30 second vanish recharge, I'm okay with removing dmg buff to garrote from stealth

[winged sun]

Your only perma chaining in last area priory at last boss

No where else

Idk what ur tank is cooking

[royal lantern]

if you do content where the paladin kills stuff before you could Press fok->rupture 4x

why care

it was apperatly a good call, stuff is dead lol

[iron carbon]

So true

[royal lantern]

like, not even a shity meme

"omg stuff is dead before i could get 5 Ruptures out!!!!" ok? you do lower content or they had cds and evaporated everything in under 10seconds and pulling was a good call lol

[nova flax]

Bad call im not top meters

Pull around me

Pi me sac me bop me grip me rescue me

[red schooner]

Nah don't rescue me, rescue the blood beast out of the pack

Better use of it

[hexed frost]

[hollow moss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[jaunty sky]

ToP pad pull with MM hunter

In weekly keys

[keen tundra]

is there a way to make a scent of blood WA w/o it showing (20) id rather it show (5) for how many ruptures i have out

[drifting cedar]

I use vspeed's wa and he has it like that

[keen tundra]

Mind if you dm it to me so i can see how he has it?

😄

[visual sun]

Anyone know when the sim bug fixes will be complete? Trying to sim heroic jastor vs mythic signet

[normal mist]

If it is not announced on their website, no one knows

[deep breach]

hey, so im coming back to playing ass and looking at the current hybrid build im seeing that most people arent taking improved garrote. I'm guessing we just put it on main target and focus on spreading ruptures?

[red schooner]

Are you just checking builds of top rogues? Because builds used for 17s and above differ from normal builds

[shy axle]

@deep breach wowhead shows th "old hybrid", the one without gar is for high/very high keys

[deep breach]

yeah im on murlok io. i've seen the bleed build whisp has put on his guide also. Im not sure what the best route to take is.

[red schooner]

What key levels are you running?

The rule of thumb, below a 17, run bleed

[deep breach]

ahhh ok that makes sense then

thanks 🙂

[red schooner]

No worries!

The top rogues in the big keys run the different build because more single target boss damage is required at those key levels, just for context

[deep breach]

yeah i tried a meadery with it and my aoe was so dissapointing in comparison to the bleed haha

im probably playing it wrong also tbf. Been a meta slave this season and been on UH dk so playing a class that requires thinking is slightly harder haha

[orchid pewter]

You can play whatever on 12+

Hybrid just gets better and better the higher you go

Below 12 bleed is way better for aoe and overall

[deep breach]

awesome. thanks for the tips guys

[normal mist]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[crimson remnant]

Good morning friends, I am switching over from Outlaw over to Assassination on account of Killing Spree being suic*de bait...

I was wanting some input, I am resimming changing some of my crafted items over from haste/vers to crit/mast and I was wondering if the sims are off and inaccurate right now or if these sims are correct in showing a roughly 256k dps increase when switching my crafted neck from haste/vers to crit/mast.

[red schooner]

Sims are a bit scuffed right now

[crimson remnant]

oh no...

[red schooner]

Yeah, crafted items and items generated by add items/droptimiser are apparently simming weird

[crimson remnant]

I imagine it still has to be a net positive switching the stats over, but I figured it wasn't 256k increase at same ilvl.

[red schooner]

So... Yeah, it's a bit odd

[manic sphinx]

Hey team. Does the pandemic work when you have TTK?

[crimson remnant]

ty for the confirmation, Rogue discord is always one of the most helpful.

[manic sphinx]

Like my WA tracks each one - but is there a pandemic effect if one has dropped off, and the other still going?

[red schooner]

Also are you simming 5 target patchwerk? For sin we use dungeon slice normally

[crimson remnant]

Yes I did 5 target patch

[normal mist]

Besides that, for assassination, recrafting items to change secondary stats ain't really worth it

[crimson remnant]

oh boy... so my outlaw stats aren't going to hurt me in Assassination?

[normal mist]

Not really

[crimson remnant]

Was some pretty beefy haste vers

[red schooner]

Maybe a little bit if you have priory and it's sending something that ain't mastery

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[crimson remnant]

I'll just stop changing them over, only did 2/5 of my crafted items from haste vers to crit/mast.

[normal mist]

This might be the biggest case

[crimson remnant]

Ty all.

Is this beginning to become true for most specs? My hpal main, I started to do the same for Ret and the ret discord said don't switch your stats around, similar to Nyan's logic.

[normal mist]

Hmmmm for rogues, assassination is the prime example

Outlaw still requires X amount of haste iirc

And sub doesn't really want haste

[quiet oar]

or be like me

[crimson remnant]

I do remember seeing that when originally building him. 17% for OP I believe.

[red schooner]

I think different classes put different weight into stat balance, like breakpoints etc, but the rule of thumb should be to send the sim anyhow

[quiet oar]

and forget to change talent

and play Raid ST build with Caustic

the entire dungeon of DFC

[crimson remnant]

Could you tell me the difference between simming dslice vs patchwerk. I had always done Dslice because I'm a M+ only player as a dad of very young boys.

[crimson remnant]

boss move

[normal mist]

One is m+

Other is st fight

[quiet oar]

and still outdps a Ret

[crimson remnant]

imagine being a bad ret

[quiet oar]

if you are bad at ret

1 Button rotation might be an upgrade

[crimson remnant]

gonna slap my irl best friend, enh shammy is like, man just use 5 target patch to sim M+.
Me: Yeah but I always heard you use dslice for dungeon sims...
You: meh, not really anymore
Me: Then what is dslice even for
Him: ....

[normal mist]

Wait

He might be right for shamans

[red schooner]

It's different class to class

For some classes or specs they like 5 target patchwerk for m+

We like dslice

[normal mist]

But rogues APL is well done for you to be able to actually sim (somewhat) m+ with dslice

[crimson remnant]

Man, my dad brain does not have the ability to keep track of all the min/max info for all my classes anymore XD

[indigo sphinx]

Iirc enh can sim dslice just fine though

[normal mist]

Oh fuck is this what's gonna happen to me

[quiet oar]

You will be washed up

(you already are)

[normal mist]

I already am

Ahahahaha

[quiet oar]

too slow bozo

Typical Dad speed

[normal mist]

I'm mobile AND WORKING

[quiet oar]

Im not and im acting like im working

[normal mist]

LOL

[worthy blade]

holy I do 2.12m ST dmg using zeross' build in a +12 DFC

[normal mist]

Still not really recommended

[crimson remnant]

idk man, my wife went through severe post partum depression with both boys, so I quit wow for 6 months twice to compensate and take over a lot more responsibility.

The good news is the time away from way and spent with the childrens is extremely awesome and then when you do have time to come back, you get that extra sweet taste and appreciation for why you enjoyed wow so much, except more intense >:)

[crimson remnant]

i'm definitely washed up at this point post kids, myth prog raiding days are dead, 3300 io days are dead...

[normal mist]

OOooohhhhh thanks for the heads up, will find out in November :3

[crimson remnant]

But in like 6-8 years I'll have 4/5 of a M+ push team, just need to have one of them get an awesome girlfriend and we'll roll out 5/5 in this house!

main hand weapon ilvl increase is still our most impactful upgrade at least yeah?

[lyric gate]

with poisoned knife ?

[red schooner]

Either that or bis trinket, fairly sure it's main hand but the doubt is setting in

[lyric gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c6j2eBwkBxxtn93cp9SwPy

😦

[crimson remnant]

bis trinket has gotta be myth house of cards and seaforium?

[worthy blade]

twist the knife and dashing scoundrel

[normal mist]

Btw I hope your wife is doing better now homie

[red schooner]

Myth house of cards/signet, I think seaforium is bis for the other slot but I can't remember what other good options there are

I think magnet is one

I got a lucky pacemaker in vault so I promptly forgot everything I knew about trinkets

[lyric gate]

i would prefer signet

everytime

[crimson remnant]

you love to see it

[lyric gate]

over hoc

[crimson remnant]

myth signet and myth seaforium okay to run together?

[lyric gate]

y bis

[crimson remnant]

oh lovely.

[lyric gate]

like the robot sims 0.05% better for me

with house of cards

[crimson remnant]

if i can capture bis from M+, it really tunes up my interest.

[lyric gate]

but that mean you play every fucking global in 1 ms 0 input lag perfectly

[crimson remnant]

LOL

[lyric gate]

to get that full value of the 15 sec trinket uptime

signet has 20 sec so no probs

[crimson remnant]

Oh I gotcha. If I had any access to mythic raid I'd probably do house of cards but it just isn't going to happen with kiddos.

You guys have been swell, thank you for al your friendly help this morning - Rogue Discord still stands as one of the top class discords in the community.

[normal mist]

But remember

We are the toxic ones

[lyric gate]

if its not a guy with an anime picture

you are good

[normal mist]

We have a reputation to maintain

[lyric gate]

they are bullys

[normal mist]

True

[quiet oar]

I am

[lyric gate]

i have a real question

from venemous wounds

you get that ticks energy from garrote and bleed

as an example first boss in priory

when i bleed the second target

i have to fok it for some time

to get that poison up or not

[royal lantern]

always remember the rule: Anime PfP detected, opinion rejected

[red schooner]

Unless it's Royal, we trust Royal

[lyric gate]

like every 12 sec

[royal lantern]

spatter should apply it aswell

[golden loom]

rupture/garrote themselves should also be able to apply poisons, and you will also be FoKing to consume clear the witness there so

[lyric gate]

i should track that shit

do you get a reprocc

after you consume dn

[golden loom]

ye

[lyric gate]

shit

im bad

[golden loom]

so just fok after DNing

[lyric gate]

y

[normal mist]

Mines AI, not even anime

But I should get something new

[red schooner]

It looked anime-ish at a glance

[vast shuttle]

is raidbots fixed?

[golden loom]

but yeah, garrote/rupture can proc poisons also so

and CT of course

[lyric gate]

didnt know

[manic sphinx]

Hi All, is there any interaction with pandemic on ST when we have 2 x Envenoms?

[golden loom]

Nope envenom does not pandemic

[manic sphinx]

ahhh, so it was just about evenoming when another evenom is up

[vast shuttle]

is raidbots fixed?

[manic sphinx]

ty

[lyric gate]

just bs that you cannot choose ring from bandit

with dinars

prolly hardest item to get

[spice surge]

The envenom buff does pandemic

[manic sphinx]

:/

[golden loom]

it does?

wtf

[spice surge]

Yes

It pandemics the lowest duration of your stacks

[golden loom]

guess I've understood it wrong all this time then

[manic sphinx]

Ty, thats what I wanted to know. So if I have 1 stack, there's no pandemic, because it starts a 2nd stack? And if i have 2 stacks going, then it'll pandemic the lowest (which is what i notice in the WA)

[hearty reef]

[manic sphinx]

@spice surge 🙏

[viscid spear]

How would they implement that on a vendor?

[quiet oar]

arent you here like for a long time

and you didnt know

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[royal lantern]

yes pls

nothing is more cringe then "ai" shit

even more cringe then boomkins

[lyric gate]

who was that

[iron carbon]

Who was in raid build?

[quiet oar]

It was me in my 12 DFC

im sorry

Well on first boss

ST build with Caustic

was pretty good

anyways

[shy sinew]

is house of cards still bis trinket?

[tropic shale]

I'm using it paired with the Seaforium Pacemaker

[shy axle]

hoc and sigil are quite equal, hoc sims ~ 300 dps more for me

[shy sinew]

thanks for the quick reply, grabbing it with dinars rn lmao

[lean plover]

do you gte it hc track

or myth track

[tropic shale]

I'd say it is working pretty good this is +8 PoSF overall damage

[shy sinew]

im getting the hero track but if you time all dungeons +12 you can get myth

[lean plover]

you can get myth signet

not mythic hoc by doing 12s

[shy sinew]

i must have misunderstood thx

[lean plover]

you can only buy mythic items from raid

if you have killed the boss on mythic

and if you buy hc track items, you csnt upgrade then to myth

you would have to buy thek separately

[proud pelican]

How do you game forced induction for big demise in low keys? Big crimson tempest right after shiv?

[normal mist]

You shiv after all bleeds are applied

[proud pelican]

How does that interact with FI?

[charred mango]

In the bleed build what’s more important, reapplying the mark with a 7pt en venom or refreshing ct?

[normal mist]

"big demise" aka bleeds and the execute

Also in low keys you should just play bleed overall

[grim jay]

Why do you care tho

Really doesnt matter

[normal mist]

You could try it manually

Adding 1 gem, then two, then combination

Etc etc

But it's all a waste of time in the end

[normal mist]

Davyn I'm really happy btw

For many it is

[proud pelican]

So you don’t play around the supercharged Cps at all?

[grim jay]

Why

[normal mist]

Rule of thumb is "play normally, ignore supercharged"

[normal mist]

I look at this and I'm like

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-bitcoin-ethereum-eth-btc-gif-27338496

[spice surge]

Always mark, but ideally you refresh your stuff beforehand so youre not in that situation to begin with

[proud pelican]

Ok that’s surprising I figured you’d use it for a big CT for quick demise on low hp targets

[quiet oar]

Am i the only one

forgetting to use DN sometimes

[normal mist]

You are

For me

Oh

[quiet oar]

[quiet oar]

Thats the reason why you are pregnant

[normal mist]

Should I change my name to mama then?

[quiet oar]

Tanks chainpull, im trying to dot everything and forget to use DN

and have no Deathmark anymore

[grim jay]

Dang the classic flex

Gz

[quiet oar]

Pregnant Dada Royal

[normal mist]

It's sod, so it's in theory easier

But I can now die happy

[nova aspen]

🫃

[quiet oar]

Why cant DN be permanent

[normal mist]

Mine are

[quiet oar]

why does it have to run out in the firs tplace

[normal mist]

Because class fantasy or something

[quiet oar]

Thats what my dogs thought too

Dem fools

[normal mist]

LOOOOL

[wary crow]

Hi, i've got 2 questions:

• Am i the only one that get some fps drop when i use training dummies as sin (And only on this spec) ?
• Am i doing wrong sim with my sin rogue because i outdamage the sim by far ? Like 1 M dps more (sim is around 5M dps 2min/5target no buff, i'm around 6M dps and i'm still doing misstake and have low fps..)

[quiet oar]

The Dummies

prolly are at 1 hp

right?

[normal mist]

Execute range

[wooden timber]

u do execute damage to the dummies so u can do crazy numbers if u hit a 0 hp dummy for awhile but also sin sims are on the low end in general

so even if u are not its easier to match the dummy sim than sub or outlaw

[wary crow]

you mean the sudden-demise? It didn't proc (this time)

[wooden timber]

zoldyck blindside etc

[wary crow]

but still the dummies was low life you're right! 😄

[iron carbon]

@normal mist Maybe you got the answer, why the wowhead opener for AoE doesn't press an evenom before sending cd?

[wary crow]

evenom is not good in AoE

so in the open apply all bleed etc... is more important first

then in the regular rotation you can do the envom

[iron carbon]

That's not the point

[wary crow]

if you do it before you lose time on subterfuge

[iron carbon]

Not a big deal if every target are already under dots

[wary crow]

you look at the opener

[mighty whale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[iron carbon]

Okay, you don't get it. Why don't we put envenom on main target anymore after sub windows and before cd window?

[mossy sundial]

[lean plover]

you would on a key level where mobs will live for some time

on a 13 for example, that envenom before cds is delaying your cds by 1 global on a key level were mobs may not live yiur entire kingsbane

[spice spire]

Oh this is a bleed opener. You send envenom before CDs for kb if you don’t have kb there’s no reason to.
Since default suggestion is bleed makes sense the opener is for bleed

[wary crow]

bleed with kingsbane?

[spice spire]

Otherwise your opener goes GIGA long because you set up your envenom etc

[iron carbon]

Lemme finish my key I'll eb back

[lean plover]

there is a variant with kingsbane yes

[wary crow]

oh! Interesting

for the ST?

[spice spire]

Yeah build exists and it’s an important cd, makes sense to be on there

[lean plover]

to take iron wire iirc

[wary crow]

you got the build? I'm curious to see it, and maybe it can help my horrible ST

[lean plover]

you actually remove double shiv for iw

let me see if i find build

[wary crow]

i see the point

[jaunty sky]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[iron carbon]

That's what I wanted to figure, is that just cuz Whispyr assumed it was low key content or if the dps gain was just low

[lean plover]

its a minmax

having envenom buff up before kingsbane helps stack kingsbane faster

which makes kingsbane bigger

[iron carbon]

Yes, but it's not in opener and kb is in

So I was like, did I miss something

[wary crow]

I didn't understand right you question, mb 🙂 At least you got the answer

[iron carbon]

Np mate

[wary crow]

But i think it's because it's multi target too

maybe high keys it's still better to evenom, but maybe it's better to use it 1 GCD sooner on AoE

to burst the dangerous target sooner

[iron carbon]

Multi target damages come from poison damages on main target

[lean plover]

its actually 2 gcd

[wary crow]

yep, but if you lot a single target the rotation include the evenom before

[lean plover]

after the mutilate you have 2-3 cps

[wary crow]

because of CP

[lean plover]

you need another builder, then envenom

on the opener you dont have snd up until you envenom afaik

and most of your poison applications are due to autoattacks

[wary crow]

but even whispyr say it's conceptual so... I think it's more a situation thing

[lean plover]

both envenom and snd buff your kingsbane

[winged quail]

Kingsbane used to be a real ~~country ~~ cooldown

[lean plover]

it used to be kingsbane, the spec

now its envenom, the spec

[jaunty sky]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[red schooner]

Crimson tempest the spec looking at m+ breakdowns

[lean plover]

with bleed build ye

[timid bramble]

So sub last place in raid stats?

I'll pull up a message from week 1 where I said Ass will take over as we progress

[proud pelican]

Psychic confirmed

[humble verge]

assa will always win

cause for every time someone makes whispyr rage

the better the class does

[quiet oar]

*since Nerubar

[proud pelican]

Statistically accurate

Whispyr should I play bleed on stix?

(Dw im getting us more buffs)

[royal lantern]

wtb gally kill finally

[red schooner]

Zeross singlehandedly responsible for most of our buffs, damn

[humble verge]

12m

[royal lantern]

12m inside my ass?

:3

[red schooner]

I'll pay you with a picture of my cat that's worth more

[humble verge]

12 meters inside your ass?

sure

[south token]

8m,, dm me 🙂

[hidden bay]

I make special price

Just 8milli. No items

[humble verge]

ill do even more special

1 blowjob

[quiet oar]

Today

[humble verge]

and its good

[south token]

ok special price for u 6m

[quiet oar]

(please)

[royal lantern]

im still in mugzee prison sorry

[quiet oar]

Sadge

We will have like 679 average ilvl

This Boss will die so fast

[red schooner]

I'm in bandit prison but I'm chilling

[hidden bay]

Wish I could be stuck on a boss to raid multiple times a week

[red schooner]

We have a guest healer who legit finishes prog in his guild then joins our RFWL guild to continue prog

Dudes insane

[humble verge]

well its normal i guess

[red schooner]

Nonstop prog

[humble verge]

in our countries community we've borrowed a warrior from another guild cause ours went to china for 3 weeks lmao

i think hes back today tho

[red schooner]

It's not even borrowing dude will just raid with us for half the season.

Every season

[red schooner]

He's more committed than most of the guild members

[west smelt]

fellas do you ever just spam the hell outta iron wire
https://i.imgur.com/qbqjDXf.png

[dense cove]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[red schooner]

Kills gally, DMs us same day like 'ye I'm free for more prog now'

[hard flicker]

Do you guys have any good WA for tracking how many bleeds you have up during AoE in m+? searching in the discord shows a WA from 2019, but not sure if that still works

[humble verge]

craizi

[hidden bay]

Back in Legion I would finish progress and join with my alt another guild to progress again

Raiding like 5-6 days a week

[jaunty sky]

What do u even wanna track, amount of ruptures? All bleeds?

Ruptures are tracked in most assa WA packs

[quiet oar]

Suffering from Success

[jaunty sky]

Bc of that talent

[west smelt]

up to 5*

[hard flicker]

yes amount of ruptures and garrottes

[humble verge]

https://wago.io/2S0Eyvf5N/1

add this to your WA group

since this also tracks SoB

[brave stump]

How many homies do we rupture snipe on Bandit before CDs?

1 or 2

[turbid wraith]

my fellow americans, are the sims for crafting still currently wacky

[brave stump]

As a european

Yes

[lavish geyser]

what is it that makes no " without a trace" builds sim soo badly?

[grim jay]

Doubt its only no without a trace

[iron carbon]

Cuz sim use 2 stack of vanish

[jaunty sky]

Losing subterfuge is horrible for AoE

When things die quickly

[rocky zodiac]

how much value does pacemaker lose if i cant align it with CDs?

[spice surge]

Like 0.5% or so

[foggy mirage]

can someone explain something on rookery for me? after first boss I drop down and I have lightning on me when I reach the bottom and then everytime the tank pulls a pack I instantly get de-stealthed due to damage and can never open from steath. Is there a way to prevent this?

[jaunty sky]

Don't free the birds

On your way down

[limpid flume]

Yeah

[ebon glen]

Don't free the birds, if you do, click off the buff.

[limpid flume]

Basically

I learned the hard way

As well

[foggy mirage]

wow

i'm cooked

[jaunty sky]

It also doesn't do relevant dmg

[foggy mirage]

I thought you were supposed to free the birds

didn't even know it was applying the debuff

[jaunty sky]

Well yeah, but freeing the birds gives u the buff

[red schooner]

I don't even take a feather, I just take the fall damage and crimson vial

I'm lazy

[foggy mirage]

it's considered a buff?

[jaunty sky]

Yeah i think so

[ebon glen]

Yea, can't click off debuffs anyways

[foggy mirage]

interesting

didn't know it did anything other than really annoy me that I can't stealth

[ebon glen]

You can land other places without freeing birds too, but if you do, just click off the buff when youre at the bottom.

[foggy mirage]

okay that's going to save me

bcs I hated that dungeon so much bcs of that

wondered why everyone found it so nice

[devout jasper]

quick question if I have double 684 dagger can I change my embelish to crit for mug'zee mythic

[lunar flicker]

Hey guys, just progging bandit atm. I was wondering if it’s worth trying to stay above 50% energy on fights where there is more than 1 target up, or if it’s worth on ST when not playing bleed build?

[foggy mirage]

ty for help ya'll

[grim jay]

Offhand ilvl is nearly irrelevant

Ascendance will always be slightly better than having a Max offhand and some other embellishment

[devout jasper]

it seems +5k dps if I dont use second 684 dagger(i mean when I use ascendance)

just changing 5k dps

maybe sim bait

[lunar flicker]

Sry to simplify my question, should I be aiming to stay above 50% energy for any reason when not in ad cleave situations?

[fallow canopy]

Afaik raid builds don't use sanguine blades so it don't matter

[golden loom]

On pull? I mean you are overcapping energy anyways in cds there if you send right away so no need to rupture either add

[brave stump]

no i mean like after

on 2 min for example

the 3 homies spawn i have 7 sec till cds

do i dot like 2 or just 1 and prepare boss

for cd

[golden loom]

If you get a smooth driveby on middle add go for it

If not, just on the one next to boss

[brave stump]

[golden loom]

Kinda vibes and feels tbh

[brave stump]

ye what i thought

[golden loom]

But the one next to boss should probably always always be ruptured

[mossy sundial]

Generally just try to dot the one next to boss and you shouldn't have any energy issues

The exploding boxes can also be ruptured

[lucid harness]

Do you need something special for the shiv+tea macro to work? It doesnt seem to be using tea at all for me

[analog field]

check bank for the old tea item

[grim jay]

Try spell id

Instead of the name

[lucid harness]

This was it lol. I had like 3 different thistle tea items.. this rogue is from vanilla heh

[fallen orbit]

guys what talents are you using instead of bleed ? i need something for rookery cause of last boss so i dont such ass at him

[analog field]

what lvl ?

[manic haven]

Is there anyway to edit enemy nameplates to make them slightly less responsive to movement? Having some issues with mouse over macros

[gusty mirage]

I think plater has a somewhat “fixed” option, they’ll still move a bit. Idr where it is though

[wide ferry]

I missclick SO many god dam times because the plater is flying all over the screen

[neat smelt]

what key level

[final star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[final star]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[final star]

!mark

[vast shuttle]

what do do with the cips buy 671 jastor but my ring is 684 or buy trinks mine are just 671

[coral ibex]

ask jeeves

[vast shuttle]

so annoying raid bots wont work

[vast shuttle]

u think circlet is worth take away for jastor and fleshflued ring?

or sould u still have it?

[nova aspen]

?

raidbots works just fine for me

[ebon glen]

Hmm, these are great questions that have not been asked here yet. Will have to wait for someone smart to answer!

[vast shuttle]

fuck circlet iam going jastor

[fallen orbit]

13 adn higher

rn im at 13 so i want to go 14 and 15 next

[neat smelt]

should only start becoming a problem on 17 and above

[fallen orbit]

so i should roll with bleed build all dungfeons ?

[neat smelt]

roll with what you prefer

[fallen orbit]

ok thanks

[wary crow]

On bleed build, on ST i should stay above 50% energy and let envenom fade out? Like just refresh my dots and wait?

[nova aspen]

yes, unless in shiv window

[sterile grove]

Fast question on bleed build m+. Is the single target dmg kind of lack luster, generally speaking? I feel like I'm way behind my team on bosses but in group pulls I can get really good dmg. Curious if I should expect that or if I'm dropping the ball in st

[royal lantern]

nvmd im dumb sorry

[shy creek]

Yeah you can pretty much expect it

[royal lantern]

thats assa bleed build

if you play for more ST dmg, you drop heavy in aoe instead

[shy creek]

Rogue ST in M+ in general is pretty bad

[royal lantern]

kinda have to decide bettwen doing 1 good

[shy creek]

^

Its the thing holding us back from being giga good

[royal lantern]

"Holds back"

its kinda how every spec should work

and assa is #4 or #5 m+ dps rn, so saying "held back" is a bit funny

[shy creek]

Anyway !

[sterile grove]

Ok that was my guess. its all gonna be in execute and then just be sad above 35%

[royal lantern]

if unholy dk would eat more nerfs, i could imagine assa taking its spot in the "god comp" tbh

[shy creek]

P much

[royal lantern]

ye

[sterile grove]

Thanks! Much appreciated

[royal lantern]

be happy if the tank doesnt beat you outside of your cds

thats the main achievment

[sterile grove]

Gonna put that log on the fridge when I sneak past the tanks st, huge

[shy creek]

Ngl warriors give me a run for my money inside bleed builds

[analog field]

If i have 2 mythic dagger is it an option to go with 2 crafted pieces elsewhere ? and go with double dawnthread?

[shy creek]

Yes

afaik p sure zeross does it

Yea he does just checked

[analog field]

ok ok ty

[royal lantern]

double dawn or ascension+patch, no difference

embelishments are weak in tww anyway

[vestal cliff]

does someone know the macro for using tempered potion default but using fleeting ones first when you have them?

[indigo mulch]

just put fleeting before the tempered ones

[shy creek]

Can just add it to before the tempered ones

[indigo mulch]

And it will use the fleeting first.

[shy creek]

/use Fleeting Tempered Potion
/use Tempered Potion
whatever

[vestal cliff]

oh sick ty!

[mossy sundial]

Any1 know if raidbots has fixed itself yet

[runic hinge]

looks like not entirely

[mossy sundial]

Tough, ty

[grave rivet]

Is it me or is bleed build’s ST > hybrid build ST

it just feels sooo weird to play

[grave rivet]

Ok ok sheeeeesh

[nova aspen]

[indigo mulch]

Did you know that bleed is a bit more ST than hybrid?

[grave rivet]

Apparently

[hollow wren]

How useful is engineering in TWW?

[runic hinge]

Meh

[grave rivet]

But wanna make sure I’m doing it right: barely envenoming right? Basically for DN and during DM/Shiv windows?

[runic hinge]

Can make cables for battle rez

[ebon glen]

Cables are BOE

and don't require eng to use.

[runic hinge]

right but they are expensive

[hollow wren]

So B Ress is buyable on AH? Nice

Well then I wont replace Skinning with Engineering but rather something else on my Rogue

Either JC, Alchemy or BS

[viscid spear]

I remain unconvinced

[grave rivet]

No, I mean you can drop a Jeeves and mailbox in raid, but aside from that no real perks

[ebon glen]

Eng is nice depending on what all you're into though. Wormhole generator for every xpac is nice. Jeeves is nice.

[grave rivet]

Not like alch with the 2hr flask

[ebon glen]

Can drop mailbox from 2 or 3 toys as well,

[grave rivet]

Ya there you go

[ebon glen]

And the mailbox toys / eng mailbox don't share cd which is nice if you ever need multiple mailboxes for some reason lol

[nova aspen]

engi gets the flamethrower in cinderbrew

[royal lantern]

it is

[west smelt]

Not only is it just more raw st but you even have funnel

So anything with adds is just insane

[shy axle]

i read here yesterday regarding cyrces and jastor that cyrces will always sim more than jastor if you wear pacemaker. what does the crit proc from pacemaker do to make cyrces better with the recommended sockets?

[austere willow]

do you guys still run St w cleave on stix mythic?

[dense cove]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qBn4f6QUjVsVoQxDWPnYtW 6% st loss for 6.6% aoe gain // https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ec59wLhXZSyTnL1u2HnfK // and then if you expand the aoe you can see prio damage at the top
somehow the bleed build does more prio damage than the kingsbane one? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g2WR354DXaQxzX1jUVTVzb/simc // https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cC8r4LEvDyLAxbrPusoqQ4/simc

[wide ferry]

i can vouch, KB feels like dogshit just ran a 13 rookery, never running hybrid again god those ambush procs are too juicy

[strange python]

KB will feel like dogshit every 1-2 minutes, but using it during the damage amp is still better than the ambush procs lol

[wide ferry]

For sanguine, do we care about it? Or we spammin envenoms till we run out of energy and are standin there w thumb in ass

[strange python]

Yes we pool for single target

[half tartan]

why is assassin so boring can we get caught up in the 21st century sadge

[runic hinge]

reported

specs dont gotta be >60 apm to be fun

[half tartan]

rework pls can i sim 3.1m like my ret friend

[spark warren]

(ngl assassin being boring saved my life xD)

[pastel roost]

Quick question as it's the augmentation matrix that is bugged on Raidbot, can we still sim if we have the simcraft line ?

[half tartan]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pastel roost]

Could anyone share a Jastor diamond 671 line and a signet of the priory 684 line please X_X

[shy creek]

You can use the gear option

To sim this yourself

[pastel roost]

Is it not bugged right now ?

[spice spire]

Oh shit fucking tag line

[runic hinge]

dummy with no perms

[spice spire]

The Jastor Diamond (665)
finger2=,id=231265,enchant_id=7334,gem_id=213491/213491,bonus_id=6652/10355/11990/1514/10255/10879/10396

Signet of the Priory (678)
trinket1=,id=219308,bonus_id=10390/6652/10383/11996/3170/10255

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Put a hashtag before both

These were straight from my sim

Oh I simmed before upgrading

Not at my desk either LMFAO

[pastel roost]

😄 do i just change the ilvl next to the name ? :p

[spice spire]

Ilvl=684 should suffice

[pastel roost]

thx

[pastel roost]

Assassination love mastery so not too surprising , depends on ring and gear i suppose

[royal lantern]

assassination also loves haste

and crit

and vers

no bad stats

number higher = good

[spark warren]

What I wonder is how much mastery? I remember (from back in the day, I'm old and only came back very recently) there were amounts of mastery/versa/crit/etc. above which it wasn't worth adding more. Couldn't really find if there's a "soft cap" like that in any guide. oo

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Soft caps don’t matter

I was able to drop circlet

[runic hinge]

same

[spark warren]

Well shit. Thanks ^^'' I feel dumb now.

[spice spire]

Because I have like 22k mastery without. With I had like 26-27

[lyric gate]

4% crit tho

for 1700 mastery#

[fast phoenix]

There’s not really any diminishing returns on stats or soft/hard caps

Least for sin

[spark warren]

Time for 50k mastery :p

[lyric gate]

where damage comes from

[tacit hedge]

I have the same crit/haste you do. It actually doesnt sim that bad for me

[lyric gate]

thats my baseline

without alchemic chaos

[tacit hedge]

Whats your ilvl?

[tacit hedge]

O shit

[fast phoenix]

jesus

[tacit hedge]

Flex big dawg

[fast phoenix]

you know theres a sun outside right?! kidding kidding lol

[lyric gate]

well it was pretty fast tbzh

i traded up like 320 ish gilded

and then we did 12s +3

was done like afternoon

[fast phoenix]

havent touched m+ this season, feels so good

[tacit hedge]

I'm taking the time to do that today

[tacit hedge]

Do you do raids?

[lyric gate]

i also got very lucky with my early vaults trinkets

[fast phoenix]

yeah

[lyric gate]

so i spend my dinar on locked cloak

locket*

[tacit hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-night-love-gif-23737908

Im happy for you

[lyric gate]

😄

i waited 29 weeks season 1 for grim batol trinket

from vault

[tacit hedge]

Did you already have Jaster?

[lyric gate]

i got one in like week 3 fro mgally

but i was sub it simmed so bad

that i gave it to friend

and no shot im buying heroic trinket

im only 6/8 mythic

heroic ring*

[tacit hedge]

You're pretty close to the end

[clever sparrow]

I DID IT!

hc mugzee*

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZgGjCNWQLqpTy732?fight=last&type=damage-done

any tips btw?

[lyric gate]

sad fight time

20 sec more

or 30

would have been better

xd

max envenom 10.3 is kinda low

no pot ?

[clever sparrow]

is it game changer?

[lyric gate]

well you run alchemic chaos

[clever sparrow]

idk i felt like its not any game changer so im not using them

lol

[lyric gate]

ofc you pot

[clever sparrow]

oh HMMMM

it does make sense with alchemical

[lyric gate]

y lol

[coral ibex]

i mean why even enchant your gear

its not a game changer

dont slot gems

its not a game changer

[lyric gate]

[clever sparrow]

i needed to do it to join hc (other wise i wouldnt do that)

[lyric gate]

i pot everywhere bro

[normal mist]

then why tips on how to get better

[clever sparrow]

i died in the last 2 sec of boss

[coral ibex]

oh brother

[clever sparrow]

😄

[normal mist]

if you're already failing on stuff thats obvious

[lyric gate]

y doesnt matter boss fight length was 4 min

would have been way better if 4 .30

cause another 2 min cd window

[clever sparrow]

well my groups always bl on the 30% of mugzee

should i save pot there

or on my first deathmark burst?

[lyric gate]

just save it for next expansion

[clever sparrow]

or random sht

[coral ibex]

save it for next raid

[normal mist]

yes

[clever sparrow]

i usualy does

😄

[lyric gate]

in a 4 min fight

[clever sparrow]

for example rn on gally

[lyric gate]

pot on opener

and another one in execute

[clever sparrow]

GOT IT

wait

[lyric gate]

and try to grief that padder ele shammys

with the knock

[clever sparrow]

how to use one on opener?

[coral ibex]

do you use whetstones

[clever sparrow]

yes

[coral ibex]

why

[clever sparrow]

my friend traded me alot of them

[ebon glen]

loool

[lyric gate]

should sim

[clever sparrow]

and begged me to use them 😄

[coral ibex]

jesus

[lyric gate]

maybe mana oil give break point

[coral ibex]

just give them back

[clever sparrow]

WAIT

I SAW THE WOW HEAD

[ebon glen]

put them on AH actually

[coral ibex]

or drop them on the floor

[clever sparrow]

everyone saying weighstones

[lyric gate]

nooj is the guy with 500 bubble wax

[clever sparrow]

are they bad?

[lyric gate]

in pocket

[uneven pine]

any haste % breakpoint you should aim to get?

[spice spire]

Nope

Listen to robot

[lyric gate]

there was a pastebin

to sim consumables

if manaoil doesnt reach breakpoint

whetstone is better

[uneven pine]

ahh ok ty

[coral ibex]

there are no breakpoints

[inland dirge]

real waxheads ww@

bring back the wax

[lyric gate]

i cant find

the consumables advanced sim shit

[iron carbon]

Or maybe you wanted the string?

[strange tundra]

@lyric gate what did I miss

[lyric gate]

there is like a string