assassination

[red schooner]

They just need to have a 5 minute venture into this discord to see that it isn't the case

We can eat just as many crayons as the other classes

[real pike]

so with HoC we just send it every 2 mins right

[red schooner]

Yup

[viscid spear]

Sure, just ask Whispyr basic questions that could be answered by reading the FAQ

[normal mist]

Maybe more, between mutilates

[subtle tundra]

fuck off

[knotty kestrel]

omg royal hiii

Dastle Nathria

beloved raid from SL

[subtle tundra]

that was from bfa

[nova aspen]

meow?

[knotty kestrel]

Dastle Nathria was SL

[red schooner]

Gotta fill the time somehow

[knotty kestrel]

rahhh hurry up

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckyou-push-shove-cats-cat-gif-13756426

[subtle tundra]

blatant misinformation

thats ok

[jaunty sky]

I rerolled from outlaw

[knotty kestrel]

based

[knotty kestrel]

the art of subterfuge at work

[viscid spear]

Did you learn your shapes in school today?

[jaunty sky]

Yeah

[subtle tundra]

garrote silence

[jaunty sky]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[nova aspen]

where does the circle go? that's right, in the square hole

[viscid spear]

I got a mace in raid one night, never tried to get another.
I want to play Sub though

[knotty kestrel]

I wish sub could use 1h again

once an outlaw, always an outlaw

[viscid spear]

Hit like a mach truck

[knotty kestrel]

simming

im simming

im gonna sim

[astral current]

!focus

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[rotund oak]

[restive falcon]

weird question are we still Shiv > KB > Shiv during the KB window? do we ever prio darknest night proc and shiv before that then get the big envenom?

[iron carbon]

Hey boyz, quick question, isn't CoS Supposed to prevent fire damages for flame cannon of Mechagon 3rd boss? Or it's only the 1st sec?

[frank trench]

Good lord floodgate third boss on 14 is brutal on bleed build I ended up at like 970k because I was so energy starved from my healer barely keeping up

Which is probably me just playing bad

[brazen sluice]

circle still simming higher than 681 crafted ring for me

[blazing pumice]

it makes your pp small

[jaunty sky]

Yeah it gives way more mastery

[knotty kestrel]

Which boss is that again?

The duo right?

[blazing pumice]

swamp

[knotty kestrel]

Oh yes I remember

[normal mist]

Would anything change in a non bleed build?

Hi Ven

[warm vortex]

Here I am wanting to get cool new trinkets and I sim to find it

Best upgrade is just getting a heroic Jastor to replace my champion one

Hey royal

Hope all is well

[normal mist]

All is well

Are you wheeee or whoooo today?

[warm vortex]

A whooooo

Idk what that means

But driving test tomorrow

I’m completely confident I can do it just gotta not do anything dumb

[normal mist]

Smh, not understanding expedition 33 memes

[normal mist]

You'll do it easily

It's just like playing bm

[red schooner]

Esquie is my emotional support rock in that game

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[warm vortex]

But with higher risk if i fail

Also hi zeros
Why are you selling soup

[fallen orbit]

its not but most people still cant play it. so they play 2 button classes like pala or hunter. Dum dums and they still end up bellow good rogues 😄 pathetic fools 😄

[normal mist]

Ven how do you feel

Whooo right?

[warm vortex]

*marksman or BM hunter

Don’t lump the chad survs into the brain dead camp

They are only semi stupid

[warm vortex]

Is this some like childish “your mom” joke or something mister royal

[red schooner]

Expedition 33 meme

[normal mist]

I've been watching a friend play it every night and it's been so much fun

[warm vortex]

Never heard of it

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-esquie-expedition33-obscur-clair-gif-8790475245597466468

[red schooner]

I very much like the game, but also, there's an event in the game where I legit had to stop playing that night to recover.

Emotional damage

[normal mist]

Act 1?

[red schooner]

Yup ;-:

[normal mist]

Both me and my friend stopped right after those events and went to bed

Sad.

[red schooner]

Saved game, closed game, started into the void

[normal mist]

We were both feeling whoooo...

[red schooner]

But then we got monoco and I started to feel wheeee again

[red schooner]

Good game

[normal mist]

Excelente game

He's so fucking funny

"there will be a lot of fighting"

"oh yeah"

"yeah"

[red schooner]

Okay I'm in

[normal mist]

Ahahahahahha

He's the goat

[red schooner]

I love him

WHERE ARE THE ESQUIE AND MONOCO PLUSHIES?

[normal mist]

"wait a bit I'm beating up strangersX

[red schooner]

HUH?

they could fucking print money

And i'd be all in

[royal lantern]

yes

something something BUTTON BLOAT

you know the buzzwords

[iron vapor]

Yes, life as rogue is hard. I have 4 buttons I use often, and another 4 that I use every 30/60/120 seconds.

[fallen orbit]

i would still run bleed on floodgate. only last boss and swam is where u arre little lower but u still smash

[iron vapor]

Somebody slow me down, my keyboard cannot handle it.

[nova aspen]

i love when something goes wrong and ur unable to ambush the next pull

so u do tank damage

[iron vapor]

On an entirely different topic, what're people getting with their first set of cartel chips? I'm only 2/8 on mythic raid (vexie and cauldron) so probably won't buy anything from there.

[nova aspen]

the majority of people's choice is heroic jastor

there is a guide on wowhead

[fallen orbit]

nope id go for hc diamond jastor

[nova aspen]

based off your prog

[fallen orbit]

or eye of kazan

[iron vapor]

Can we get Myth track weapons from M+ with the chips or is it just trinkets?

[fallen orbit]

but sim your self im rn simming my char on everything so i know what to pick

yes u can but only iff u timed alll dunegons on 12 or higher

[golden loom]

im buying this soon

[iron vapor]

Yeah, got resilient 12s, just not sure what to get with the first set.

[spice surge]

No you cant buy weapons from m+, only trinkets

[royal lantern]

nothing until gally is down

[fallen orbit]

lol i completely forget ybout that. want it also lol

[iron vapor]

I'm using M+ to bump my gear in order to make Mythic raid prog easier.

[iron vapor]

Ahh balls

[spice surge]

Craft a mainhand if you havent already

Rik should be fairly accessible to pug as well

[fallen orbit]

you can recraft to 681 so ill do that also later today

[iron vapor]

Yeah, that's a looooooong way off and it feels like a waste spending a limited resource on hero track gear

[south drum]

Robot tells me I should get upgrade to myth signet before HC jastor. So haven't really decided yet

[spice surge]

On mythic that is

[iron vapor]

Already done, needs a recraft today obviously

[iron vapor]

Sounds about right, fortunately I got mythic signet in the vault this morning 🤩

First time it's dropped anything actually good

[fallen orbit]

for me jester sims really good but ill have to change all other possibilities so it will take soime time for me to sim it all 😄 😄

this season i got like 1 good vault..... i took 2 socket slots already. so unlucky

[golden loom]

I am on 3 sockets in a row atm

[fallen orbit]

at least they removed cap so i can progres my IL cause otherwise i would be stuck another week

[spice spire]

I just took my first socket

[fallen orbit]

😄 😄

[golden loom]

getting signet and seaforium back 2 back killed my vaults rest of season

[nova aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326453594593038417/1362149400754913360/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[spice spire]

[nova aspen]

good gif

[sharp viper]

it freed up your dinars

[golden loom]

true

[humble condor]

my raidbot droptimizer only shows 6/6 track instead of 6/8 track, any way to fix this?

[sharp viper]

reload the page

[red schooner]

We pray for the mythic vault signet so we don't have to even sim dinars and just send the heroic jastors

(I'll be heroic jastorsing 99% sure anyhow)

[sharp viper]

I could do that but I don't want to

[iron vapor]

Heroic Jastor's does seem like the play

[humble condor]

top gear i mean, reload does not help

[red schooner]

Yeah probably, but I wanna have my gear upgraded and stuff before I run the Sims

[sharp viper]

just gotta kill gallywix mythic real quick

[red schooner]

Just in case

[iron vapor]

But it feels like a waste, I can guarantee the second I take it it'll drop and everyone will roll 1

[red schooner]

Heroic jastors might be the play now but what if I upgrade to 680 and signet pulls ahead? What then? (It won't but these questions keep me up at night)

[fallen orbit]

Sim

[warm vortex]

Looking at bms dps makes me sad

[red schooner]

Ye I'm gonna, just at the office so can't slam my crests

[white orchid]

Jasper sims less than my mythic ring+cyclet so I guess I’m just going seaforium mythic for dinar

[warm vortex]

Also thinking of getting mythc azerokks heart instead of heroic jastor from dinars even though heart sims a tiny bit worse in m+
Prolly just because it's easier to get heroic jastor diamond

[humble verge]

what

[nova aspen]

[warm vortex]

yes

[nova aspen]

i smell something burning

[warm vortex]

I mean you let an idiot into the kitchen

Imma burn things :<

[solar wyvern]

No you quite literally click the reload page button on raidbots lol

[nova aspen]

u might be the first rogue to buy heart with dinar

unless ur still playing bm

[warm vortex]

Yes

I'm playing BM

[royal lantern]

stroke?

[warm vortex]

Played rogue for a few seasons this dungeon and wanted to die

[humble verge]

usagi lookin tuff

[solar wyvern]

Rogue kinda amazing for this dungeon pool tho lol

[warm vortex]

If someone is having a stroke and you are unsure, remember fast
Face
Arms
Speech
Treatment(?) (I forgot the T)

I know

[nova aspen]

im having a blast on rogue

[warm vortex]

I don't mean dps wise

[solar wyvern]

Almost every pull has a prio target+uncapped aoe

[tall atlas]

is circlet still bis in ST?

[nova aspen]

[iron vapor]

Rogue is great fun in M+ at the moment

[warm vortex]

I mean enjoyment wise

[fallen orbit]

All i hear is weakness

[warm vortex]

For me i just didn't like it

[iron vapor]

Maybe, depends.

[warm vortex]

First time i'm playing smth that isn't rogue for a season and it felt like an abusive relationship

[warm vortex]

But yea still thinking of this
Prolly just gonna get heart

[solar wyvern]

Well i mean, you're the one who cheated on the yellow class

Smhmyhead

[royal lantern]

hey, you have cool rats now

[warm vortex]

Actually true

[spice spire]

I do love the rats

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rats-old-gif-geocities-rat-rodent-gif-10737339287535946686

[iron vapor]

So basically you're a class traitor. Got it.

Off to the work camps for you, comrade.

[warm vortex]

:(

[iron vapor]

I don't make the rules.

[royal lantern]

@warm vortex he is scared cus the name is CheeseHammer

[warm vortex]

The true main character of my account

Omg true

[brazen sluice]

is priory trinket sims bugged or something?

[iron vapor]

I'll hammer your cheese. Won't feel bad about it.

[coral ibex]

no

[spice spire]

Why

[warm vortex]

Anyone up hammering their cheese

[solar wyvern]

Is your crit too high

Link sim king betcha someone can find whats wrong fairly quick

[brazen sluice]

in key now ill send after

[real pike]

any shout on whether we keep the circlet with the new ilvls

[normal mist]

||https://youtu.be/CGn417_FbqY?si=gcoaz_ki66MwlzCU|| about the meme earlier

[ocean laurel]

Hey, guys iam not sure that i can trust sim. Sim say that hero jastor is 1.2% stronger than circlet. Can i trust it and buy jastor? patchwerk 5 min 1 target

[red schooner]

My vibe says that the circlet looks bad so replace it with something shinier

[ocean laurel]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[spice surge]

Thats not what the picture you linked says

[jaunty sky]

It says jastor is better than your other ring

[sharp viper]

had to recraft a ring cause haste was overtaking crit and mastery

[ocean laurel]

So whats says number on a right side of jastor + normal ring?

[jaunty sky]

What's the top gear buddy

[jaunty sky]

Circlet and jastor

[ocean laurel]

ok its bit confusing

[jaunty sky]

Idk not really

If u get myth pacemaker jastor + circlet is the best

Without myth pacemaker that other ring and jastor is the best

[ocean laurel]

so i have to chose to take from dinars peace myth or jastor HC, what should i take?

[jaunty sky]

Biggest single upgrade is jastor

And you'll replace your circlet with jastor

And then when u get myth pacemaker

[uneven plume]

Crafted ring is pretty good

[jaunty sky]

You put circlet and jastor

[uneven plume]

Sims told me crafted + jastors (heroic) beats circlet

[vast shuttle]

is their any new quests u should take in the new uptate beside the undermine coin stuff u get when u do 3 mythics

[ocean laurel]

ok ty sir ❤️

[stable cove]

Is it true that the mines after mythic mugzee intermission are static and always spawn in same spot

Or is this fake news

[brazen sluice]

im fking blind , i was wondering why priory trinket isnt lining up with DM and i was checking sims , turn out that i forgot about the stupoid affix which gives u cdr 🙂

[dense cloud]

anyone knows how to transfer valorstones to another char? it says this for me

[sage basin]

You're on the character you want to transfer to and other characters have valorstones?

[frank trench]

You do it at a loss

Have to be at main char

[lyric vale]

how many spark do we have at this point of season?

[dense cloud]

my sham has valostones, and my dk needs some

oh i found it

[frank trench]

So log into Dk and hit transfer

[coral ibex]

anyone know how to distinguish between soak hits and missed soaks in logs for mythic mugzee

trying to find out who's avoiding soaks

[rose inlet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2zwXCG9ftvPqWFHN?fight=59&type=damage-done&source=5 can anyone check out my OAB kill when they have a sec? lf feedback

[fallow canopy]

it leaves a debuff no?

when you soak even if you immune it

[coral ibex]

i thought the searing shrapnel was from blowing up the bombs

[fallow canopy]

you are talking about mine soaks prob no? forget what i said

[coral ibex]

im talking about the circle soaks that show up after you blow up the bombs

[fallow canopy]

that's harder to track ig, damage events after mine pops maybe?

[coral ibex]

these mfs

yea

since they hit everyone if they're not soaked

just trying to see who is soaking less often than everyone else

[fallow canopy]

even then sometimes they rng and spawn all over one place

and sometimes they spread etc so its kinda hard to figure out that

that looks like a vod review angle and that seems kinda cursed

[coral ibex]

yea unfortunately we have a lot of "someone else will do it" players

so

[chilly sluice]

Sim seems to use FoK with clear the witness up in single target, even when talented into vicious venoms. I thought this was wrong?

[fallow canopy]

I'm assuming you guys have zone assignments?

[coral ibex]

no

[fallow canopy]

maybe that could help

[viral linden]

What M+ comps are suggested for us poison dealers??

[nova aspen]

are u pushing 17s and up?

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter nearly as much as people think, play with whatever

[viral linden]

Word word, I'm a normie so that makes sense.

[dense cloud]

last week was spark, this week was catalyst right?

[junior smelt]

Bros, I'm dumb and I fail to understand how is Jastor's worse than my current equipped ring. Is it because it's taking into consideration my haste? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/943aJVC5sD4xtLKkNSFMju

[indigo sphinx]

Raidbots is having a little oopsie at the moment

A lot of wacky sims coming out

[junior smelt]

That would make sense.

[vagrant brook]

yeah i got a 684 hoc simming 2% lower than a 671 hoc

[indigo sphinx]

Yeeeaaaaahhh

https://tenor.com/view/kanna-sleep-please-be-patient-i-have-autism-hat-gif-18401792

Robot pov

[uneven plume]

Whispyr cooked the sims

smh

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-pet-peek-kitten-gif-17623510

[indigo sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-dinosaurs-plushies-gif-24417567

[glacial flare]

raidbots is acting weird

i have max hero pacemaker and simmed against max myth version, and its giving me a loss of 31 k

[coral ibex]

scroll up

just talked about it

[indigo sphinx]

I just said to be patient to the little robot guy okay

Everyone has bad days

[spice spire]

I don’t

I’m perfect every day

[spark warren]

It also gave me weird results yeah

[glacial flare]

ah sorry, just changed to here and didnt noticed. thanks!

[indigo sphinx]

Is George typing?

[blazing tulip]

And people say that there is no such thing as too many hugs as a kid.

[spice spire]

No

[spark warren]

Told me Jastor Diamond 671 is a major DPS loss compared to 665 Fleshfused circle and stuff like that oO

[indigo sphinx]

[spice spire]

[red schooner]

SO LONG, CIRCLET

[near valley]

my favorite scene

[red schooner]

Surprisingly, heroic jastors, not the play for me. So i guess I'll just mythic signet

[normal mist]

A very wheeee moment

[half tartan]

Yeah 675 crafted outsimmed circlet for me

[red schooner]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1affit6WJCq1kqtmUb16wb Can someone check this and make sure I'm not being dumb

[half tartan]

With jastors

[red schooner]

Because I think I'm being dumb

[fallow canopy]

Scroll up a little bit

[red schooner]

I'm surprised heroic jastors isn't better for me but, I also trust the bot, so its probably me messing up

[open root]

yo guys , i have problem with offhand , idk upgrading offhand dagger have more value then other iteam or not ! can some1 help me with this pls

[near valley]

bit of a whoooo day

[normal mist]

Never use stat weights. Anyway offhand is a bad upgrade overall

[sage basin]

stop looking at stat weights and do top gear

[fallow canopy]

Bot is having an off day, people talked about it further up

[coral ibex]

offhand weapon means basically nothing

thats what this tells you

[spice spire]

Stat weights bad and top gear is king.
Also offhand v bad

[open root]

tnx boys ♥️

[red schooner]

But I trust in the bot though

[grand trail]

im done gg go next tier

[red schooner]

But ye idk it seems weird so like, I'm fairly sure I've messed something up bot wise on that sim

[red schooner]

So I hold off on it then

Because heroic jastors is showing as being.... weird

[indigo sphinx]

Yeee I have vexie trinket outsimming HoC right now

Soooo

[red schooner]

Okay yeah cheers for the heads up, just got back in from work so didn't look up

[indigo sphinx]

I wouldn't be paying much attention to it right now if I were you

I have also seen some sims which are completely fine though

Just probably nobody has a life or death scenario whereby they need to spend their dinar right this second and must sim or the whole world explodes kinda vibes

[final star]

raidbots having a little oopsie hehe

[indigo sphinx]

So probably just chill until its seeming a bit more stable

[strange tundra]

Not worth 💀

[final star]

only seems to be an issue with trinkets on raidbots for me

[red schooner]

ye i'll hold off, don't have the dinars yet anyhow, was trying to figure out what to do with the vault

cos i got 2 myth track rings in there

but yeah i'll just hang fire

[strange tundra]

@lyric gate can help with that

[red schooner]

I'm now holding off because the robot is apparently having an off day

[red schooner]

[strange tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

[umbral portal]

It seems anything at the new item levels is potentially causing nonsensical sims

[balmy condor]

What do you mean by that

[final star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/peWYbnXa1chuGjbygcAjDY

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o7opUsRm1WD2dwGhqmZfnk

[distant helm]

[final star]

I doubt house of cards is 67k dps behind equivalent ilvl eye of kezan

pin in outlaw channel says creating items you don't have can do a lil bricking

[nova aspen]

getting 683 ilvl is only the beginning for me

then i start 17's

[cinder mountain]

hey guys, noob question here, sorry if its pinned already, what debuffs you reapply on aoe, I’m aware pack size matters, but can you give me some rule of thumb for beginnet

do you reapply rupture and garrote both?

[indigo sphinx]

Garrote in IC, rupture on 5 targets

[cinder mountain]

hmm, what is IC sorry

[red schooner]

Indiscriminate carnage, the 'rupture goes to 3 targets' thing

[sage basin]

Indiscriminate Carnage, if you're not familiar then you should spend some time on the wowhead rotation section and understanding your talents

[cinder mountain]

ah ok ok got it

debuff after stealth

buff*

[red schooner]

Also RIP my valorstone stasg

got annihalated lmao

[cinder mountain]

thanks! 🙂

[novel star]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[novel star]

[opal plume]

m+ build atm ?

see so many

[nocturne geyser]

hello I had question for assa rouge, after completing 3 stacks of deathstalker mark, if I use fully charged envenom before my death mark and kingsbane, does it do less damage and drop my dps?

[red schooner]

Bleed

[opal plume]

aight

[strange tundra]

Deserved

[opal plume]

so still no ttk ?

[red schooner]

Spent 2.4k in one go

[spice surge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[visual hemlock]

is it me or are sims not working correctly?

[red schooner]

This is pinned in outlaw channel

[strange tundra]

Proof??

[red schooner]

Proof is DN

[charred mango]

if we're running the bleed build is there an easy way to take iron wire?

[strange tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons8ball-deez-nuts-8ball-make-a-wish-merps-gif-26138412

[spice surge]

Drop 2nd shiv

[charred mango]

thanks

[humble verge]

ironwire in 2025

[charred mango]

I need some incentive for my tank to not chain pull

[humble verge]

question, is he chainpulling at 1%

[red schooner]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[red schooner]

ty moroes you can return to your slumber now

o7

[spice spire]

Ty

[jade abyss]

we replace the isle ring when we have a specific ring or we play it to the end?

[humble verge]

people sim differently

[novel star]

just sim it man

[red schooner]

Replace it when the sim says to replace it

[novel star]

we got robots that do all the thinkin for u

[humble verge]

weekly vueko appearance

why is sending stuff so slow on my phone

[coral ibex]

i mentioned to some new wow friends yesterday that there are more evokers than rogues and one of them was like YEA BC THE ROTATION IS ANNOYING AF AND THEY HAVE LIKE 500 BUTTONS

guess when he last played any spec of rogue

[humble verge]

SL?

[coral ibex]

bfa

[humble verge]

damn

[pastel roost]

BFa wasn't that bad was it ?

[lyric vale]

xD look at him now

[coral ibex]

the average wow player is hard stuck bfa in the brain

[humble verge]

outlaw was 1/3 as hard as it is now tho

idk

[nimble tartan]

rogue is the least played because it doesnt feel modern like the other specs

[humble verge]

in bfa

[nimble tartan]

imo

[coral ibex]

what about it

[humble verge]

modern

[coral ibex]

i dont get this bc rogue is the only class i really like

[humble verge]

BM can just roll their heads on the keyboard

so can retpal

[vapid fable]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

does "modern" mean a rotation you can't fuck up

[nimble tartan]

youre conflating what I said to something else

have a nice day guys

[humble verge]

guh

[coral ibex]

huh

im asking

[brazen garden]

nobody is conflating anything you just made a blanket statement and refused to elaborate

[humble verge]

average sin chat visitor

[coral ibex]

[grim jay]

well, most people play rogue exactly for how it feels

"modern" specs are all very similar

[red schooner]

I play because I picked this class a long time ago and I'm too stubborn to leave

[grim jay]

and wow has to offer something for everyone

[nimble tartan]

i play sin and rogue!

its just what I noticed playing other specs and classes they feel more fleshed out and with a more concrete identity

[coral ibex]

can you elaborate

[nimble tartan]

and for me bleeds isnt the identity its what the buttons do i feel like rogue is lacking in that department

[coral ibex]

on what you mean by that

[indigo sphinx]

When you say identity do you mean vibes or damage profiles or?

[nimble tartan]

like our hero talents etc

lacks umm identity

[coral ibex]

can you give an example of another spec you play that feels fleshed out

[grim jay]

rogue specs themself have a pretty clear identity, they just didnt deliver on that lately with trying to modernize tools

[coral ibex]

and explain why that is

[grim jay]

like everyone and their mother can cleave nowadays

[grim jay]

imo uhdk and ww feel quite fleshed out

[radiant shale]

Do you pay attention to mark or do you just ignore it. Because when you're actually paying attention to it, it's a thing

[grim jay]

(dont have many complains on rogue tho)

[coral ibex]

bro what does fleshed out mean

[nimble tartan]

yeah like we know what each rogue spec does and how different they are too each other but i dont know if identity is tue right word then

[coral ibex]

im seriously asking

i dont know what you mean by it

[indigo sphinx]

I wonder if it is animations diff once again?

[nimble tartan]

just somethin feels lacking compared to other classes maybe jts as hard to identify for the blizzard team too

there has to be a reason nobody wants to play this class

[radiant shale]

You're not shooting a beam out your face or calling down planets to land on mobs, and that's part of the identity

[coral ibex]

well what if you started by telling me what fleshed out means to you

[grim jay]

honestly wow is kinda lacking there overall on melee specs

[coral ibex]

i feel like i'm the only one who doesnt know what "fleshed out" means in this context

[grim jay]

tbf its kinda hard for me to describe in english

[indigo sphinx]

For sure

[coral ibex]

what words would you use in your native language

[nova aspen]

fleshed out = complete

[coral ibex]

ok but that just means that not fleshed out means incomplete or something missing right

what is missing

what do other specs have

[radiant shale]

It's a youtube video buzzword mate, just ignore it and move on lmao

[coral ibex]

i dont play rogue and think hmm i wish i had this other thing

[grim jay]

I'd say some mixture of intuitive, stuff working well with eachother and having a clear direction for most things. like uhdk has a fleshed out spec tree imo, because the directions have purpose

[coral ibex]

no man we're having a real conversation

[harsh anchor]

Why so hung up on vernacular.

[nimble tartan]

yes very well put its more of an intuitive thing alongside a general vibe

[coral ibex]

thanks for defining complete for me?

i know what the concept is

im asking for specifics

please dont mock me

[nimble tartan]

bro thinks this is a debate

i love rogue!!

[coral ibex]

i just want to know what you think the spec is missing

because im curious

[astral plover]

im such a ilvl whore.

i dont want to use Circlet cuz low ilvl

[radiant shale]

uncapped blade flurry

[nimble tartan]

its bugged

[brazen sluice]

depth or radiant power?

[coral ibex]

i dont think its a debate i just didnt understand you man

fuck me

nevermind

[nimble tartan]

depths

[unreal tide]

Poor Nooj just wants to understand, but no understanding will be seen here today

[radiant shale]

sim it

[hallow pelican]

Sims are buggy AF currently

Things aren’t simming 100% accurately

[astral plover]

Any good addons to show a better char panel than Normal UI?

[grim jay]

so where do you have that from?

[split veldt]

just read the pin, so i simmed a crafted ring, am i doing something wrong? it's not even close for me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eGzDDtQ3J2GzpsbSamJBkQ

[hallow pelican]

Taeznak… does the DPS calculations for UH DK and he simmed the head enchants

[rough osprey]

i have a hero 6/8 signet of priory and when i sim mythic signet 8/8 it says its -200k upgrade

[hallow pelican]

Sims are broken currently as per Taeznak

[grand trail]

just upgrade everything are you are fine

[split veldt]

hmm word

[rotund oak]

sim them but depths for ST,radiant power for m+

[hallow pelican]

Things aren’t simming at their intended ilvl

[rough osprey]

yea i understand it just saying 😄

[rotund oak]

whispyr typing

[split veldt]

well w/e i plan to make a couple rings anyway, with my extra sparks just to inflate in bags ilvl

[brazen sluice]

ik but for mythic raiding last 3 i see alot rrun depths

[hallow pelican]

I’m using dummy slices with details to test my shit and I’m not scrapping anything just in case… but that’s me

[rotund oak]

well yeah that could be an indication they focus mostly on ST rather than cleaving/aoe

[balmy condor]

Raidbots bugged

Gear that raidbots generates through the search/Droptimizer functions are simming at incorrect item levels, try to avoid simming new items until a fix goes out

Fixed hopefully

[balmy condor]

Depths in raid, yes

[novel star]

cant even sim fuck this chungus world

[red schooner]

The robot failed us

[thin portal]

***This is Ryukage reporting live from the courthouse. Apparently this city waits for all jurors to arrive and selects 12 from the 50 that came. I can't leave yet and go grind gilded today dammit. They don't pay and I had to call off work this is cooked guys. I made sure to come late and that didn't get me out of the selection process 😦 ***

Prayge for me that I don't get selected fellow sin rogues.

-Ryukage
Stuck in the courthouse today and I will see if they don't select me if I say I have gas pains oh good idea maybe

[low thicket]

So we can't tell people to sim it?

[balmy condor]

Not atm I guess

[grim jay]

just say "sim it later"

[low thicket]

Sim It SoonTM

[sharp viper]

I'M NOT JEALOUS YOU'RE JEALOUS

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but u live in florida right?

[balmy condor]

Not even close

[rotund oak]

im very wrong

again

[sharp viper]

whispyr is in a witness protection program that harbors him from outlaw players asking questions in here, his current location cannot be disclosed

[rotund oak]

that i can respect

[nova aspen]

living even remotely near the equator in the current climate is death

[grim jay]

I'm very bad at remembering things like that and even I know the answer

[rotund oak]

sharing is caring

[grim jay]

idk if whispyr would be comfortable with an angry greek knowing where he lives

[runic hinge]

Name all 50 states

[thin portal]

Welp

[grim jay]

maybe you wanna give him some stitches with your old pair of bones

[rotund oak]

i can safely claim the 51st,its Greece

[rotund oak]

ild never!

[thin portal]

Guys what's the top overall with new ilvl

[pastel roost]

684 is top

[thin portal]

Outlaw is doing 8mil overalls in 12's, what is sin at?

[nova aspen]

8.1mil

[thin portal]

[grim jay]

something between 1 and 50

[balmy condor]

Lemon

[thin portal]

Yo moma said to be honest guys

[rotund oak]

definitely strawberry

[thin portal]

Don't disrespekt fameely

[grim jay]

my mama said to not hurt the old and disabled, I'm sometimes still harsh to sap

[rotund oak]

im getting slammed here

[thin portal]

[nova aspen]

truthfully, outlaw will beat sin in 12s

cuz they dont have cds

[thin portal]

Shit

[balmy condor]

I asked my momma and she said she doesn’t know what a +12 is

Hope that helps

[nova aspen]

everything dies too fast

[thin portal]

[pastel roost]

I mean bleed doesn't have that much cd either :p

[thin portal]

Shit I'm stuck here can't play

Fuuuuu

[runic hinge]

No, he plays sub

[brazen sluice]

fuu is a sub addicter

[nova aspen]

xdd

[thin portal]

Oh yeah fu is also a person

[arctic socket]

[balmy condor]

Good story

[thin portal]

Owwwwy!!!

[runic hinge]

real

[thin portal]

THE PAIN

[arctic socket]

Real

[runic hinge]

at least no evil larry

[real solar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[still remnant]

What would you say is better for like 12 keys, cos I did one with the more prio build on and well everything was dead before I could even do anything lol

[normal mist]

bleed

bleed

bleed

And once you reach 15+

you continue using bleed

[thin portal]

Well

[vocal basalt]

We aren't in BFA anymore

[thin portal]

You could try cleave and bleed and compare

[normal mist]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[grim jay]

try dn

ah wait, you aint about to try anything

[thin portal]

Dn?

[grim jay]

because you are stuck at court

[thin portal]

Save me

[grim jay]

I would if I could

because I turned into a niceguy lately

[sharp viper]

oh nice moroes is back

[balmy condor]

Was he gone

[keen spruce]

Did someone delete the Pedro channel

[thin portal]

So

[balmy condor]

No?

[thin portal]

Do we play cleave in rookey?

[keen spruce]

I can’t see it

[thin portal]

Bleed everything else

[balmy condor]

It’s a thread

[thin portal]

Hmm

[golden loom]

Depends on key lvl

[keen spruce]

Tony fixed it

Ty tony

[thin portal]

I see

[keen spruce]

[golden loom]

idk I aint doing over 13s so I am just blasting bleed everywhere 😎

[thin portal]

Ok

Bleed everything until high keys where u need Mas Mas Mas boss damages then

[balmy condor]

That’s what everything says, yes

[thorn lynx]

@balmy condor hi friend.

[balmy condor]

I would take the movespeed

[thorn lynx]

LET THE MEME DIE

[balmy condor]

No

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

It’s only been a year

[thorn lynx]

I miss you, let's do some keys together again. You, Mathris, and I

3 bleeders

[balmy condor]

I don’t want to make Mathris feel inadequate

[thorn lynx]

Same?

Idk I left the guild, so idk how he's doing anymore.

[balmy condor]

Probably the same as you remember

[thorn lynx]

But anyways, back to my question I was going to ask, how long until sims are fixed? I wanna know what to take from my vault. I have a juicy ring that I wanna take to maybe replace circlet lol

[balmy condor]

Ask raidbots support

[thorn lynx]

Damn those guys.

[rotund oak]

Purple man's past hunting him down

joking ofc

[nova aspen]

comcast does suck

[ocean root]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[pastel roost]

Quick question with both jastor ( Heroic can't go mythic) and Signet Mythic trinket being around 1% increase dps. My instinct would be to go trinket , is there any reason not to ? I already have Signet trinket in 665

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[pastel roost]

Btw i see that the augmentation matrix from Top gear is buggy, would Droptimizer be the same or is it reliable still ? idk if there is any news about that

[rotund oak]

if u check the pins u will understand..

[real pike]

so I just queued for LFR after 15 mins the queue pops, I accept and get unable to zone in

and I've bheen pulled into a group that are already killing the last boss of the wing???

what the fuck is this game

[earnest flume]

i know our ST is bad etc etc. but i wanted to ask for a reference on what most people get in a dungeon on ST.

[rotund oak]

yes u cant zone in if there is a fight on going

[knotty kestrel]

That's what I'm saying

[real pike]

yeah so I waited for ages to get a queue pop when the last fight of the wing is already in progress

and now I have to start the queue again

absolute fucking bullshit

[rotund oak]

many factors,cant rly say,even varies from fight to fight

idk 1.5-1.6

maybe

maybe less

depends

[rotund oak]

yeah its absolute troll territory

wasting ur time

[real pike]

need the rep for level 12 for raid

[rotund oak]

the goblin cartel one u mean

[real pike]

gallagio rewards

[rotund oak]

yup

[hot flicker]

Just go make your own normal group you’ll fly through it in an hour or so no need for lfr modern days

[split veldt]

still cant get into keys at 678 -- 3176

😭

some serious rogue racism this season

[rotund oak]

or its just pugging thats complete BS

[fallow canopy]

with everyone farming crests the dps pool must be incredibly crowded so its bound to happen

[rotund oak]

u can never expect from anyone to inv u,just que ur own keys

[hot flicker]

I mean yeah there a lot of big boys queing small keys just for fast crests atm

[rotund oak]

bigboys dont need crests at all

and if they do they que with their team

[hot flicker]

Well I’m just talking about the people who have outgrown 10-12s and don’t play 24/7

[rotund oak]

pug=miserable

those arent bigboys fam

[split veldt]

been like this all season tho, not just this week

[rotund oak]

yeah thats how pugging is

[split veldt]

nah last season i pugged no problem all the time

[viscid spear]

This is me but 670 and 2670

[rotund oak]

the vast majority of rogues that pug have the same problem

[hot flicker]

Okay man you know what I meant people who have outgrown those levels

[split veldt]

and i pugged all of dragonflight no problem as well

[balmy condor]

Non-rogues too

[fallow canopy]

just pugging as a dps problem

well "problem"

[rotund oak]

well my mage got invited with lower ilvls in 10s++

[balmy condor]

You can see people bitching about pug invites in every discord

[rotund oak]

true,its universal

its just pugging

but some classes got it easier

one of them being mages

[split veldt]

nah when i pug a "meta" class i get invited with lower ivl and score

[jaunty lotus]

I stopped inviting dks though

[weary spear]

Plenty of 3.4-3.6 players queuing this week for 12s

[lean plover]

meta gets you invites a lot faster

[jaunty lotus]

They all have higher score than the key need and suck ass

[lean plover]

its why so many people reroll

[final star]

guys pugging is so hard

[hot flicker]

They aren’t big boys apparently

[rotund oak]

havent logged in yet but im in 13-14 territory on my mage and pretty sure ill get invited but will see how it goes

[earnest flume]

ye i recognize that, just lookin for a rough estimate

[ocean root]

sorry guys, quick question. I can't import whispyr plater on my WA. Does anyone know why?

[balmy condor]

Cause you’re trying to import a plater as a wa

[ocean root]

need to /plater on chat

?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

[fallow canopy]

you import it on plater yes

[ocean root]

but nothing happens if i do that

[balmy condor]

Then you don’t have the addon

[ocean root]

which addon exactly??

[balmy condor]

Plater?

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

I feel like I’m gettin baited

Patch day fucked me up

[fallow canopy]

new day new baits?

[balmy condor]

Can’t tell anymore

[golden loom]

The bait is scaling

[rotund oak]

bait lvl scaling

[low thicket]

Its the hot sauce from this week's renown

[scarlet orbit]

Did you switch your plater profile in game to the right one?

[rotund oak]

trying to search for the actual plater version but its F'd up on curseforge

there is one on console for 4.4.2 idk what that even means,aint using

[lyric gate]

can finally take double leap slam

[onyx scroll]

Raidbots being broken is really messing up my afternoon of slacking off

[cursive sparrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy axle]

how much rep can you catch up with the raid renown in one week?

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[fallow canopy]

[winged sun]

sin > outlaw even in +12 keys

not even bleed build would've done 6-7m

[vast shuttle]

is the sim tripping?

[coral ibex]

check pins

sims are cooked atm

[vast shuttle]

ah ok

[gloomy heart]

https://tenor.com/view/язычество-славяне-вперед-сс-маги-gif-977227459828673609

[vast shuttle]

@coral ibex u think buying the 684 trinks is most worth with the cartel chips?

[thin portal]

Serious question guys

When your at 6 cp

[hexed frost]

Wtf bro

[thin portal]

Do you poison dagger foe the last cp to use darkest night?

[spice surge]

No

[proven belfry]

do assa rogues play magnet in any scenario?

[thin portal]

[coral ibex]

probably yea

[thin portal]

So you mut anyways and overcap cp

[coral ibex]

sims better than pacemaker for me

[rotund oak]

im using it right now on my ponytails but idk,i dont like magnet tbh

its fine i guess,smashing low keys anyway

[thin portal]

So you guys mut at 6 cp to get to 7 for darkest night or not use it until it gets to 7 naturally?

[grim jay]

mut

dn > everything

[thin portal]

Ok

[balmy condor]

you don't poison dagger anything ever

[haughty flicker]

thats not what my one button rotation tells me

[balmy condor]

it's basically the same cost as mutilate but generates half the cp and does 1/11th the damage

[jaunty lotus]

But the one button told me to poison dagger all the things

[thin portal]

Yeah I was just trying not to overcap lol

[balmy condor]

it would be like generating cp on outlaw with uh

poison knife

[thin portal]

[spice surge]

Unbuffed pistol shot

[balmy condor]

I think unbuffed pistol shot unironically better

it's like unbuffed pistol shot if it also did less damage

[thin portal]

Imagine if poisoned knife worked with fan the hammer

[spice surge]

The buff increases its damage by like 200% or something

But ye probably close

[balmy condor]

we have a talent that increases by 300%

checkmate outlaw

300 > 200

that's shiv though but like who's keeping track

[spice surge]

Ttb is only 200%

[thin portal]

I WANT TO THROW POISON DAGGER LIKE PISTOL SHOT FAN THE HAMMER

[spice surge]

🤓

[balmy condor]

really?

[thin portal]

[balmy condor]

wasn't it 300 at one point

idk, 200% of nothing is nothing

[spice surge]

Maybe

[thin portal]

[red schooner]

I should maybe use some of these for stones. At some point. Possibly.

[balmy condor]

you lucky bastard

I only had 11

[red schooner]

I spent 475 crests today and didn't do a single m+

if that makes it better

[thin portal]

Well

I deleted all mines

[balmy condor]

dude this shit is crazy I just looked it up

pistol shot is 0.6

poisoned knife is 0.23

💀

[spice surge]

💀

[balmy condor]

literally 3x the damage

[thin portal]

Wow

[spice surge]

But whats the poison damage

[balmy condor]

good question

[spice surge]

Since its 100%

[thin portal]

Its a lie

The poison part is a lie

[balmy condor]

0.08

okay so it's like 0.6 vs 0.4

if you're assuming dragon tempered

[spice surge]

Common assa L i guess

[balmy condor]

very easy to just

[nova aspen]

thats even with phys buff

not dh buff

[balmy condor]

not throw dagger

[thin portal]

Ok

So it is declared

We need a suggestion box to give sin fan the dagger

(Instead of fan the hammer)

And increase its damage of course to match pistol shot

How would you guys like another builder?

[coral ibex]

why

[thin portal]

Besides mut and ambush procs would it add some fun?

[winged sun]

new sin build just dropped for high keys infinite dps and infinite utility ironwire at the cost of no dps?? will keep you updated

[thin portal]

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

[nova aspen]

[desert cove]

https://tenor.com/view/point-smiling-friends-smiling-friends-mip-gif-24777593

[nova aspen]

hold it right there clickbaiter

[red schooner]

679 ilvl carrying me to victory on vexie

[rotund oak]

still better story than twilight

[balmy condor]

I'm sure all 5 people playing keys that high will be thrilled

[red schooner]

i'm waiting for my log to drop when people get gear let me have this moment

[nova aspen]

and 2 of those 5 are playing outlaw

[old obsidian]

on rik about 2 week ago

[rotund oak]

not even 101

[winged sun]

dslice

[red schooner]

Listen I'm normally a comfortable purple logger, this is rare for me

[nova aspen]

does it have bonespike

[rotund oak]

we love u dont worry

[nova aspen]

if not then 🚮

[red schooner]

Let me be happy :c

[thin portal]

[rotund oak]

its jsut that logs kinda memie in 2025

[thin portal]

Zeross cooking guys

[dapper cradle]

Ross got the chef hat on again

[red schooner]

ye but we're also killing vexie for crests/vault slots when we just melt the boss

so, not a serious pull, just mindless zerg

[thin portal]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-derby-battlederby-gif-2243957478860490176

Zeross rn

[balmy condor]

sure so when I say iron wire isn't a big loss for like 2 years

no one believes me

[knotty kestrel]

Assa isn't as fun to make silly builds with

[balmy condor]

zeross posts a no context raidbots

and oh my god iron wire

[knotty kestrel]

I believed you

[thin portal]

[knotty kestrel]

👉👈

[winged sun]

i have to fix the sim wait

[thin portal]

Hahahah

[unreal tide]

Ironwire back on the menu!

[thin portal]

[past bobcat]

zeross stop cooking man

[knotty kestrel]

Ryu I accidentally bought and equipped capo

[past bobcat]

someone get this dude out of the kitchen man

[knotty kestrel]

What's he cooking

[thin portal]

Make a ticket

Ask for refund dinar

[knotty kestrel]

I doubt they'd listen to little ol me

[balmy condor]

my assumption is he's just taking his build and swapping lightweight shiv for iron wire tbh

[thin portal]

Its all AI now it might work

[balmy condor]

there's not a lot of low value talents to swap for iron wire

[wise plume]

looks like iron wire's back on the menu!

[knotty kestrel]

I never dropped it

When I play assa

[past bobcat]

but losing the double shiv with super charger surely thats more than .5%

[knotty kestrel]

Does that make me cooler?

[nova aspen]

clickbait title sure does wonders doesn't it

[past bobcat]

maybe not tho for DS

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

I mean

is one shiv 0.5%

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

over 6 min

[winged sun]

hold up chat

[balmy condor]

yeah

so same fucking build

[nova aspen]

literally moved 1 talent

[past bobcat]

Whisypr called it

[winged sun]

this build removes bonespike for garrotes

[balmy condor]

this is literally just hybrid with dashing

[winged sun]

no

hybrid plays subterfuge

and no ttk

[balmy condor]

big whoop

[wise plume]

someones about to copy his build and brick a +12

[winged sun]

and no sc

[past bobcat]

Have you tried this yet Zeross

or is this a cook

[balmy condor]

like this is hybrid, but you swapped bonespike out for ttk/dashing and then took FI

this was a cook from S1

[dapper cradle]

@winged sun thank you for constantly innovating and pushing the boundaries with assassination

[wise plume]

its a tested cook

[balmy condor]

[unreal tide]

👨‍🍳 revolutionary

[runic hinge]

yeah that definitely got played in s1 lol

[ionic kiln]

More sirens.

[runic hinge]

I just hated it cause no subterfuge

[winged sun]

well i dont see anyone playing it

at all

even s1

[past bobcat]

wait jo was playing it

[winged sun]

ironwire no double shiv sc?

and no sbs

[past bobcat]

jo mama

[wise plume]

seeing all these outlaw rogues around is giving me the itch to respec

[knotty kestrel]

Dont

[balmy condor]

supercharger wasn't a thing for most of s1 to be fair

but yes

no double shiv for iron wire

is like

the thing you do

[keen mantle]

Guys help , i need that weakaura god LE guy

whats his disc name

[stark halo]

Seaforium or Signet first? I have Heroic HoC and Mechano-core.

[balmy condor]

her

[wise plume]

sim

[rotund oak]

its a she

[balmy condor]

and it's lisonna

[keen mantle]

lisonna

k thanks

[stark halo]

They sim about the same

[keen mantle]

its she

ok

[winged sun]

guys

mission failed

-6% st

[balmy condor]

yeah no shit

[keen mantle]

my msg is not pinned yet

oof

[winged sun]

why is it not sending

[keen mantle]

Atrophic poison should make mobs take 3% extra dmg from all attacks.

good

[nova aspen]

zeross burnt his meal

[keen mantle]

Atrophic poison should make mobs take 3% extra dmg from all attacks.

[low thicket]

Bro is simming right now

[unreal tide]

Sims are fine without including gear from search/droptimizer, no?

[balmy condor]

yeah it's fine

turns out that not being able to double shiv cds

kinda blows

[winged sun]

i tried so many times shiving no cds

doesn't feel that impactful unless lingering+darkest night in aoe when i wanna finish up a mob in m+

definitely abit cooked to not double shiv in cds but can happen if u have to funnel out a mob beforehand

[rotund oak]

u mean cover entire DM window aight?

[floral shoal]

I simmed craft upgrades of existing gear for my hunter and lost dps. Something doesn't work right.

[winged sun]

double shiv is crazy in DM window

super op

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda but it's amp poison that's carrying it

not dm

which is dm

but not dm

ya feel

[balmy condor]

pins

or the big banner at the top of raidbots

idk

[rotund oak]

yeah gotcha 👌

[knotty kestrel]

Sap didn't you play outlaw a while back?