assassination

[thin portal]

yes it does

ok so i have to start opening with ambush now instead of garrote

i havnt been marking my targets

[midnight mist]

thats ok\

you arent losing much damage

[normal mist]

If you're playing subterfuge, you can ambush later

[thin portal]

well

[midnight mist]

i dont mark my targets

makes it annoying to target swap

[subtle tundra]

hey man, less loss than 1 button rotation

[midnight mist]

!

real

[thin portal]

I have raid single targets and bleed for m+

[subtle tundra]

you can talent these 🥜

[thin portal]

builds

[midnight mist]

it doesnt mark !

i just remembered

or does it

[subtle tundra]

It doesnt?!?

[midnight mist]

let me check again

[subtle tundra]

ok i dont trust you

[midnight mist]

it doenst

[thin portal]

i kinda like opening with ambush now

the stalker thing is new to me

outlaw has no visuals so having something is nice

[subtle tundra]

so fatebound is better?

[subtle tundra]

we have visuals?

[midnight mist]

ye

especially cause it also doenst build to max with dn

[thin portal]

stalker counts as a visual yeah

[midnight mist]

so it will only ever consume it by accident

[subtle tundra]

youre bad

[thin portal]

outlaw just gets a coin sound

[subtle tundra]

you have killing spree visual

[royal lantern]

there is a really small purple X over the enemy

[thin portal]

killingspree is not a visual

its a slap to the face

your face

[subtle tundra]

oh i remember seeing it in city of threads when the guy went invisible and teleported away

i rember

[golden wasp]

how much haste should we have for m+?

is it just as low as possible

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[thin portal]

is this right, only 1.6mil?>
Single Target Raid
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iwaQeKPJsbGvV2ZUKETCm9

[wise plume]

I’m at 8% and I feel pretty good w my stats

[golden wasp]

just wondering if u should gem/enchant some haste

[royal lantern]

@ebon notch noob

[wise plume]

yeah, with the charger build I sim’d super low, was interesting

[royal lantern]

sim

[ebon notch]

ill freaking kill you

ingame

[thin portal]

but u do more than the sim?

[subtle tundra]

huge deeps

[wise plume]

tried build once and did much higher

[thin portal]

nice

[wise plume]

granted it was a +14, but I just wanted to try the build out

[subtle tundra]

maybe try simming with raid buffs like a normal person

[final star]

you have no buffs selected

[subtle tundra]

bruv crafted a trinket

[thin portal]

yes I want to feel naked

dps

[final star]

[subtle tundra]

nobody sims like that, you have no points of reference

[final star]

you main hand also sucks cock

[thin portal]

it is the lowest reference

[final star]

so idk why you're not crafting a mh

[subtle tundra]

blud crafted a trinket before a weapon

[strange tundra]

It gives me 0.6% dps increase but hell nah i ain't doing that

[thin portal]

I used all my crafts on outlaw, next craft will be dagger.

[ebon notch]

brother what

[thin portal]

calm down

[final star]

@midnight mist does that too

[subtle tundra]

laugh at outlaws

hahahaha

[maiden sierra]

@humble verge

[thin portal]

like the lowest my dps should be

so

[thin portal]

should be 1.6mils then and grow from there wit buffzors

[subtle tundra]

🤨

nah this some outlaw type of thinking

imma kill myself

[strange tundra]

That's it I'm rerolling outlaw

Said no one ever

[thin portal]

rip

[worn geyser]

i miss combat

[final star]

just say it how it is

stupid

[thin portal]

can we make a WA to show when shadowstep is in range or not?

like the action bar shows

[ebon notch]

liar

[midnight mist]

be naked?

i live alone

so ye

im often naked

I stream outlaw with my cock and balls hanging

[thin portal]

i like the single target better so far

4 buttons and we get some dmg

[midnight mist]

Ye assa does way more single target than outlaw in dungeons

You will enjoy it

[thin portal]

outlaw so rng

was not fun if rng cursed

[strange tundra]

Not anymore

[final star]

Can fatal intent just bug

and do zero damage

[thin portal]

when we play bleed build

shiv only increases caustic and envenom damage?

[final star]

Oh wait it lasts one minute?

[midnight mist]

not caustic bozo

its like bf

debuffs dont work on it

[thin portal]

shiv is just a one time aoe like bf ok

while in bleed build

hmm

[final star]

lmaoooo

[midnight mist]

not what i meant but ye sure

its jsut like gs

[thin portal]

yeah but no kb in bleed build

shiv is mainly to buff kb

[final star]

It just did no damage

[midnight mist]

L bozo

[thin portal]

oh ye

[midnight mist]

play outlaw instead

[golden loom]

No, in bleed you play Arterial Precision

[thin portal]

it also increases bleed

[golden loom]

which makes shiv buff bleeds

[final star]

@balmy condor wake up and confirm fatal intent bugged surely

[sacred schooner]

same with pvp it just doesnt proc

lives it own life

[thin portal]

so we should open with ambush and shiv then bleeds

[normal mist]

no

[thin portal]

yeah the guide does bleeds first

but arent they not empowered by shiv if they are cast before

[normal mist]

why should they be

the thing is

bleeds are empowered while shiv is up

why should you want to shiv BEFORE bleeds up?

[thin portal]

it doesnt matter if cast before is what your saying

[sharp viper]

bleeds don't snapshot off of debuffs on the target

iirc

[regal linden]

can’t figure out what to spend my dinar next cd

[normal mist]

Once shivs debuff falls off, so does the empowered bleeds

[golden loom]

you apply your bleeds -> then you shiv

its all dynamic

[regal linden]

can’t just not spend it on anything

[thin portal]

ok so we dont have to line up that like kings bane stuff

[subtle tundra]

bruh idk what typa logic he thinks wow works on

[thin portal]

got it

[golden loom]

Sprocket cloak

[thin portal]

this must be the guy to ignore

[subtle tundra]

sorry i just HATE outlaw players

like a LOT

from the bottom of my heart

[thin portal]

we dont have dots

get over it when we trying to learn sin

[subtle tundra]

like i hate them so fucking much

[regal linden]

[thin portal]

we dont know dots rules

[subtle tundra]

do you deathmark and then use rupture and garrote

yes or no...

[sharp viper]

[sacred schooner]

bro is cooking

[midnight mist]

even me ?

[final star]

Okay Fatal intent is actually bugged rofl

[sharp viper]

especially you

[subtle tundra]

youve had some good opinions from time to time

but yes

even you

[midnight mist]

You hate me???

I thought we were best friend

[subtle tundra]

hey man you were born french

[thin portal]

oh no outlaw bugs are following me to curse sin now

[final star]

This doesn't work correctly

[midnight mist]

Vora + zac forever love

[thin portal]

[midnight mist]

Xoxo

[final star]

It's above 30% health

not 20%

[subtle tundra]

i believe you

[final star]

it just stops stacking as soon as the boss hits 30% health in every single log I've checked

[red schooner]

Vers stacking for fatal intent maxxing confirmed

[final star]

Every single log it stops hard walls

and lines up with when boss goes 30%

[subtle tundra]

damn they changed one to 20% but not the other...

[sacred schooner]

works as intended

maybe they forgot to change tooltip to 30?

[golden loom]

wouldnt be the only tooltip to be wrong

[subtle tundra]

no they forgot to change the ability to 20%

[sharp viper]

blizzard fucking up a tooltip? that's unheard of!

[subtle tundra]

cause its a straight copy-paste of the trinket

[golden loom]

Crimson tempest... tier set....

[final star]

So it stops at 30% but does damage at 20%

if 30% to 20% is more than 1 minute

gg

[sharp viper]

happy fun times

[sacred schooner]

make a bug report

[sharp viper]

great talent on queen ansurek

did so much

[strange tundra]

@midnight mist send feet pics

[golden loom]

wait a second...

is that why I didnt get a fatal intent proc on bandit

but other rogue did

[lyric gate]

imagine raiding with another rogue

ICANT

[golden loom]

but also this talent doesnt do any damage at all so it doesnt matter but

[red schooner]

There's another sin rogue in my raid, which my raid leader absolutely loves for bosses with spread cleave

[lyric gate]

kek

rogue is trash

you all know that

we just there for poison this patch

[normal mist]

Why do you type so much bullshit

[final star]

It does like 8M damage so it's not entirely insignificant

[final star]

Yes I had it on Gallywix cos he pushed below 20% like 0.2s too late

[golden loom]

good design

holding damage for 40 seconds probably made my stacks drop off

[red schooner]

It's either that or finish off this report in the office

[final star]

It just fell off

even though boss had dropped below 20%

What a stupid piece of shit skill

[sharp viper]

i don't think that's even legal

[final star]

2x rogue is really nice on farm

and even on prog

like mug'zee and gally

the boss deeps

[sharp viper]

I don't think many guilds have a lot of rogue redundancies

one of the lesser played classes

rather stack dks, hunters, mages or whatever

[lyric gate]

well the guys that have 20 split raids on week1

they have the choice

[red schooner]

I just need to beat the other rogue in damage so I don't get benched, it's fine, no pressure

[lyric gate]

should be rng

who wins

[midnight mist]

I don't think I ever was in a guild that didn't have 2 rogues

[sharp viper]

I wish I had another rogue to compete against

[final star]

!b ugs

[lyric gate]

ofc zac

[red schooner]

Yeah but my raid spot ;-:

[final star]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[distant helm]

Ive been solo rogue since amirdrassil

[lyric gate]

you are french you have 5 rogues min per raid

[sharp viper]

Even as the single rogue I get benched for rekills and sometimes early progression

[midnight mist]

Is that a french thing

[sharp viper]

it just happens

[lyric gate]

oui oui misseu

[sharp viper]

maybe he means 5 rouge

[lyric gate]

hasha

[midnight mist]

Even when I went to advance there was 2 rogues

[red schooner]

I got benched on stix but then fluked out massively for the kill.

80 pulls on bench, someone is half an hour late so they go "hey can you step in just for numbers", killed it in 2 pulls

[midnight mist]

Always been in a 2 rogue guild idk

It's fun

[sharp viper]

[lyric gate]

i played sub on stix prog

[scenic kraken]

Why for high keys are a lot of rogues going with high verse? Thought it was the worst stat

[sharp viper]

was supposed to get benched for stix rekill if there were too few ranged dps, ended up killing it with over 600k dps ahead of the 2nd dps

[sharp viper]

survivability, dead rogues can't deal damage

[lyric gate]

well our enhancer got a 100 log

[midnight mist]

They are starting to regear for outlaw

[lyric gate]

try to be first

[subtle tundra]

what high vers?

how much vers is high vers?

[midnight mist]

More than 0

[lyric gate]

well tbh starting on 16 top

[subtle tundra]

ill have you pinned to a wall, moaning

[lyric gate]

you get 1 shot by double leap on hook boss

you have the lowest hp on all classes

[subtle tundra]

just feint?

seems like a problem of the skill type

[spice surge]

Ye but its damage is so low that it doesnt matter

[lyric gate]

sorry mr gamer im hardstuck im working on on my catalyst charge for mythic rating

[final star]

Its not insignificant

Its like 60% of an envenom!!!

[grim jay]

As long as you know its fine

[final star]

If not more on longer fights

[midnight mist]

I got one shot by that as outlaw in 18 💀

I didn't know

[spice surge]

Losing to shiv on the damage breakdown is not a good look 💀

[lyric gate]

well 18 key is fire

better then me

[final star]

Bug is still a bug

My 1.5% loss

[subtle tundra]

woah youre doing 18 top?!?!

youre so good! as outlaw too? fuck the meta!!!

[spice surge]

I mean that bug is like 15% less damage from fatal intent or something similar

And its doing like 0.5%

So its like 0.1% at best

[sharp viper]

I have no clue which outlaw hurt you bbut I am entertained regardless

[midnight mist]

Outlaw is good now

[lyric gate]

@midnight mist can you help me on my theatre +6 for my catalyst charge

[subtle tundra]

bfa s2

yes i hold grudges

[midnight mist]

No

[lyric gate]

plottwist

he did 18 top in shadowlands

[subtle tundra]

he probably did...

[thin portal]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[midnight mist]

Weren't we doing like 25s in sl

[final star]

Yes but it can fall off because the debuff lasts a minute

like it did for me

so it's entirely a loss

[subtle tundra]

like 30s

[lean plover]

dont worry, so does blizzard

[lyric gate]

you play on draenor ?

varas

[midnight mist]

Ye he is R2 rogue

[subtle tundra]

WOMP WOMP

[lyric gate]

isnt he like 2k rated

[midnight mist]

Ye nvm

[subtle tundra]

yeah man i can barely time 10s..

im 661 ilvl

i cant get mythic crests...

[midnight mist]

Washed up fr

[lyric gate]

7s give gilded also

[subtle tundra]

i try to do +11 delves for mythic crests

[strange tundra]

Guys, how can I rizz up @midnight mist
I need help

[grim jay]

But ive heard you dont get deleted by 2 leaps in top on a 16

[strange tundra]

[subtle tundra]

but they are hard

[lyric gate]

no that was me

3700 in season 1 is crazy

[subtle tundra]

yuh zac was good

[golden loom]

I offer coaching

[grim jay]

Cook him some frog legs and praise his mog on Zacssination

[lyric gate]

was talking about you

who is zac

[midnight mist]

Me

[subtle tundra]

oh yeah
who is zac?

[midnight mist]

Hi

[lyric gate]

never seen before

hi

[grim jay]

Ive known zac since he was little

Back when he was still green (behind his ears)

[lyric gate]

is that a common phrase in english

i only know it in german

xd

[grim jay]

No it isnt

[lyric gate]

[strange tundra]

@midnight mist You’ve already looted my heart with your crits and charm—mind making it official and partying up as my partner-in-crime? 🥷💖

[midnight mist]

No

[strange tundra]

💀

😭 😭

[rotund oak]

hi babe

[brazen sluice]

guys whats ur fav time for gym?

[rotund oak]

early in the morning

[brazen sluice]

cool

[rotund oak]

but its mostly because im working afterwards

[lyric gate]

during sleep

[rotund oak]

ik ppl that like gym late night

[brazen sluice]

with this summer heat i think ill be batman and do it late night

[lyric gate]

do you go to the gym with your raidleader

is the real question

[brazen sluice]

oh shit i cant handle this much trolling

[strange tundra]

@midnight mist Just know I’m here if you ever want to ‘party up’ outside Azeroth. 😌

[subtle tundra]

when i have time

[rotund oak]

u cant have alot of physical exercise during summer,i just go for running very early

summer or winter doesnt matter

same hour,always reliable

[winged sun]

[brazen sluice]

problem is in winter i used to go like 2-3 pm , now its like 45-50 c this time gl working this time

[rotund oak]

stop lying

[subtle tundra]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN IM LYING????????????????????????????????

[strange tundra]

Proof?

[winged sun]

Varas prob only goes to the gym when he feels he has full energy

[brazen sluice]

take a pic while u squating

[winged sun]

Typically after 2 weeks of no gym

[strange tundra]

Isn't sin energy starved?🤣

[lyric gate]

bro is 2k rated

[brazen sluice]

LOOOOOOOOL

[winged sun]

[lyric gate]

prolly has abs like zac efron

[subtle tundra]

no cause i always sleep if im tired before gym

from 5-6pm is nap time

fully grown adult btw

[brazen sluice]

how old r u

[subtle tundra]

23

[winged sun]

Only thing zac has is an abs break from food my guy microwaves everything he eats

[brazen sluice]

bro thats schedule for 60s

[rotund oak]

im living somewhere in north Greece currently and near the sea.At winter its very cold but only because there is alot of moisture in the atmosphere.Once u start moving those legs things get better.During summer im walking up around 5:30 and run for about 30-45min

[strange tundra]

Bro I only sleep like 2-3 hours each day tf u mean 6pm nap time 😭 😭 💀

[rotund oak]

its easier in the summer though coz there is alot less cloth to carry

[subtle tundra]

6 hours of sleep isnt enough so i nap

shrimple

[strange tundra]

Γτχσ

[lyric gate]

just go naked

[brazen sluice]

wdym 6hrs isnt enough , are u like sin always hungry for energy?

[subtle tundra]

i was known during my university days as the guy who slept all the time

during classes

[lyric gate]

sexual harassment

[strange tundra]

Where??

[brazen sluice]

i would ask for an irl gym transmogs but i will feel gay

so nty

[strange tundra]

Short shorts and underarmour tight shirt

👍🏿

[brazen sluice]

i luv hoodies at gym , makes the machines has less sweat from me xD

cba wiping that shit

[strange tundra]

Lol true

Or the people using the bench

Without shirt or towel

Wild

[brazen sluice]

that scence reminds me of her

so wet

[rotund oak]

.. is the sweat a problem?

[strange tundra]

😋

[rotund oak]

how do u handle hoodies when u overheat from exercise?

u boys havent been into a gym srsly over a month

[lyric gate]

be a man

[brazen sluice]

its cold inside gym tbh

like v cold

[strange tundra]

He will be whatever he wants!

[subtle tundra]

i cant wait for the cut to be done(i just started)(i havent really done any real cutting)(im just a hungry bitch)

[rotund oak]

is the gym inside a fridge?

[brazen sluice]

its like 20-18c inside

[subtle tundra]

(i wanna cut so i can bulk again)(i just wanna eat like a pig)

[rotund oak]

so thats cold?lol man..

[brazen sluice]

lol what?

[red schooner]

I wish my gym was cold, whenever I do treadmill stuff I'm practically drowning

[strange tundra]

18c in a 50c country is cold

[brazen sluice]

thats v cold

[lyric gate]

what is a treadmill

[strange tundra]

Imagine outside it's 50c and u enter 18c building

[lyric gate]

i only use benchpress

[red schooner]

The cardio machine I go on so I can justify eating bad food later

Balance in all things

[brazen sluice]

maybe but never been in less than 18c environments'

[rotund oak]

im running on -2Celcius with my shorts if u think 20 or 10c is cold u are in for a surprise

[strange tundra]

I put my AC on 16c

When I'm home

[brazen sluice]

fking cold resisitant

[strange tundra]

U are running so makes sense

[brazen sluice]

dam if i do ill be sick next day

[lyric gate]

same lol wifebeater is perfect fit for 2°C

[strange tundra]

I just put it to close after 2 hours from phone

Turn off*

[rotund oak]

u get used to it,as the time passes u get stronger and more resilient to anything,achieve your best you by finding your balance in weight and diet,pretty simple

im 40yo and i can run 8klm without even worrying

[strange tundra]

My perfect weight is 75kg at 183

[rotund oak]

u are lying

or u dont know wtf u are saying

[strange tundra]

No because i feel more agile and I need it for work

[rotund oak]

u feel?

hehe

[strange tundra]

Ita different climbing up 30 meters as 90kg compared to 75kg

[rotund oak]

u need to actually measure ur bmi

[strange tundra]

My bmi says 80kg max

[rotund oak]

💀

[rotund oak]

ur body mass index is exactly similar to mine

so no

[strange tundra]

Yeah

I like being skinier

For work bro I feel more agile

Idk how to explain it.differently

[brazen sluice]

nvm misunderstood

[grim jay]

Hi my dazzling moonlight, brightening up even the darkest night

[brazen sluice]

so how many days do u workout boys? for me 3 days

and how long?

for me 1 hr

[grim jay]

You mean jog

[rotund oak]

im working on a warehouse,lifting things 10 hours a day 6 days a week,my bmi remains stable through everything and i eat everything.Shape and aesthetics=/= being healthy

[brazen sluice]

and i workout in raiding days so i dont forget xD

[grim jay]

5-6 days 1.5-2h

[brazen sluice]

?????????????

[rotund oak]

depends but i can run it yeah

[grim jay]

?

[subtle tundra]

i had a huge 2hr workout yesterday(i watched barca-real)

[strange tundra]

Bro when I was lifting shit everyday at work for hours I lost 15kg I became like anorexic

[brazen sluice]

u need time to recover are u competing in any tournament?

[grim jay]

I only ever need 2h if I do legs

[subtle tundra]

well depending on his split thats enough time

you can go 5 times a week to the gym and do different muscle groups

[rotund oak]

idk if that is some adverse effect but normally when u lift u gain mass,ur apetite increases coz u need more energy to continue doing the routine.That means u might not being able to eat enough or some other type of problem which i dont know and cant know

[grim jay]

3 way split. Push Pull Legs and training whatever is recovered as soon as its recovered. Sometimes I need to fill with a arms/shoulders day, because they recovered faster, as long as I dont delay push or pull

[strange tundra]

Bro I was drinking 8 espresso shots, 3 monsters and then alcohol at afternoon and barely eat
I was working 6 month seasons for 25 to 30 hours straight for 3 years
I wasn't eating anything because of the first thing I said 😭 💀

[subtle tundra]

idk how people do push pull cause id get so exhausted on push
chest and shoulder my arms would give up holding the weights before my muscles

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

i tried it once, i did chest into shoulders and it was so over

[brazen sluice]

aha , for me i had a friend whos a pro bodybuilder and after like 30years of exp , he guided me like 6 years ago telling me u dont need more than 1 hr daily / 3 days a week for a good results , and since then i have been following his advice

[grim jay]

Thats entirely true

But I dont only train for results

[rotund oak]

monster and esspresso's.. if thats not sugar free u hav e2 problems,one is prolly ur heart,if there was sugar prolly diabetes

[strange tundra]

No it was all no sugar

Just pure caffeine

But it fucked my sleep

[brazen sluice]

for what then? realief of anger?

[strange tundra]

I sleep like 3 hours a day now

[rotund oak]

still fukin dangerous for ur health

[strange tundra]

💀

[strange tundra]

True but I had to grind money

[rotund oak]

thats very srs

[strange tundra]

Now I'm chillin

But still no sleep

[rotund oak]

good u are happy having money with no health idk

life is a marathon not a sprint

[grim jay]

Basically. I just like the feeling of lifting and it lets me stay chill. The little extra you get in terms of growth still exists tho

[strange tundra]

Yeah bro I rather die rich

💀

[rotund oak]

💀

[strange tundra]

I don't care about having kids etc

[brazen sluice]

using growth? or neutral

[grim jay]

I use straps for the grip if my arms get tired, wrist wraps for push and as long as I stay in the 6-10 rep range I'm really fine

[grim jay]

Natural. I'm only at like 94kg at 1.86m in the summer

[brazen sluice]

wait what did i miss

[brazen sluice]

nice nice im 178 84kg

[grim jay]

Last bulk was 110kg 💀

[brazen sluice]

dayum

[strange tundra]

I was saying I rather fuck up my health to make money and die faster than make less money and be healthier

Since I don't care about having a family etc

[brazen sluice]

Bruh , family is above everything

[strange tundra]

Waste of time and money for me

[subtle tundra]

Holy bulk

[brazen sluice]

how do i tell u that i have 18 aunts with 100+ cousins

im srs

[subtle tundra]

bruh i barely care about my not immediate family

mother father sister

[golden loom]

all that matters is family friends and gaming 😎

[strange tundra]

True

I have big family

[brazen sluice]

we care about fathers and mothers ofc i have 12 sisters and brothers , but i mean in holidays and in big events we grp up with our uncles and aunts we usually rent 2 villas to fit us all , also if 1 of my cousins is marrying we all fly to wherever his wedding is , same if some1 graduated etc..

so #1 is family and blood links

[strange tundra]

I only care about my parents and siblings

Rest is like whatever

[brazen sluice]

i respect that

[subtle tundra]

yeah idk my cousin is having his wedding this year and id rather not go

[strange tundra]

Yeah bro same

[subtle tundra]

they wont get invited to my wedding most likely

[golden loom]

wedding goes fucking hard

open bar

🔥

[subtle tundra]

yeah that would be fun if i was there with the boys

but its family thing

they dont know the boys

[brazen sluice]

i dont drink so idk what u talking about

[rotund oak]

best events to hook up,traditionally 😉

[golden loom]

just send it cuh

[subtle tundra]

yeah my +1 will be this guy(pretend we gay)

[rotund oak]

😂

[strange tundra]

Can I come to the wedding with a +1, my +1 will be @midnight mist

[subtle tundra]

ive kissed enough men im experienced

its a number high enough to be proud of

[lyric gate]

your raidlead drinks water

[rotund oak]

my take is not even double digit

[brazen sluice]

im so thirsty i would drink u

[subtle tundra]

im a straight male, not that high...

[strange tundra]

I haven't kissed a single man

😭

[subtle tundra]

losing out

[strange tundra]

Why

[subtle tundra]

boy kissers unite

[rotund oak]

u r portugese btw aight?

[strange tundra]

I will kiss a man if it's a cute femboy

[subtle tundra]

romanian 100%

[mystic crest]

big ups to boy kissers

[subtle tundra]

pure bred romanian

[strange tundra]

Hide your copper

[subtle tundra]

look out for yo wallets

[rotund oak]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh damn,yeah im getting

forgot

[strange tundra]

Pickpocket!!!!! Piiiiickpoooockeeeet!!!!

[subtle tundra]

🤑

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange tundra]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DJcl766toHV/?igsh=czRwenZqeDB6Y3Q5

[grim jay]

Officially half portuguese

Sap is older than you, so he is wiser

-> knows whats right.

[subtle tundra]

he knows to hide his valuables

[strange tundra]

Sap is greek and as a half Greek myself I can tell you don't trust him!

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

rare oxi appearance

😼

[lavish wing]

lol ppl need subtitles for this 😄

[pine cliff]

Would it be safe to say that assasination spec is the “slowest” pace rogue spec?

[midnight mist]

No

[pine cliff]

Button mashing getting tough with age

[spice surge]

More accurately you could say outlaw is the fast one

Sub is overall about the same speed as assa, but slightly faster during cds and slightly slower outside

[iron carbon]

Hey Zac, what's a great overall on ToP as outlaw?

I gave the spec a chance earlier today

And I was fcking low

3m top 12

[subtle tundra]

🤮

[grim jay]

🤮 utlul

[iron carbon]

Fucking wrong chan

[grim jay]

Right channel wrong spec

[midnight mist]

Idk I do 4.5

[subtle tundra]

woah ❤️ so great ❤️ gaming! your so good

[midnight mist]

Ty rava

[iron carbon]

That's damages I do as sin

[subtle tundra]

4.5 what ?

[midnight mist]

Cocks

[subtle tundra]

cm, fully erect

[nova aspen]

[iron carbon]

Thanks bruh

I'll go back spamming envenom

[lean plover]

how do u stuff half a cock zac

[nova aspen]

i just invite arcane mage to carry me in top's

[midnight mist]

Bend it

[strange tundra]

Translate: 0%
Understand: 100%

[lean plover]

whats the fun in that

[strange tundra]

Isn't top the worst for rogue or it's only sin?

[iron carbon]

Depends the route

But sin is really okay

Maybe sub okay too

[spice surge]

Sin is absolutely fine in top

[lavish wing]

basically he's yellin "whats the meaning of this" after he spills the petrol 😄

[spice surge]

All bosses have adds

[strange tundra]

Yeah then he says "I'm asking you!!" 2 times 🤣

[iron carbon]

Need to skip 2 minibosses

[lavish wing]

yea... ends with the suggestion for the guy to return to his moms how-do-you-do, which s common in the balkans 😄

[midnight mist]

Everyone skips 2 mini bosses nowadays

[iron carbon]

In serious key level, yes

The 12 I did this morning, no skips

[errant hawk]

some ppl continue to play bleeds build in 16/17+ ?

[iron carbon]

Depends the comp but I would say yes

[errant hawk]

if your team have enough prio target, you swap on bleeds build?

[iron carbon]

Yes, I play bleeds when we need AoE and hybrid when we need prio

[rotund oak]

half greek half brit

so if anything u shouldnt trust me at all

(explosive mixture)

[errant hawk]

what’s your nickname char? i will check your comps

[spice surge]

You can play whatever you want really, theres very little difference overall

[sharp viper]

that's an interesting combination

[rotund oak]

idk how but it feels about the same as being greek with alot more yolo

😂

[errant hawk]

yea but in « high » keys, the boss are rly tanky and bleeds build doesnt performing in ST

[iron carbon]

Korïn-Draenor but you should check someone else. I'm not playing high key level

Just, if I had to think for pushing, I would do like it

[royal lantern]

maybe for you, for me bosses are not tanky

[spice surge]

Sure, but if you compare logs theres very little difference in overalls anyway

[lavish wing]

u must be a very good sailor

[errant hawk]

yea, but i prefer to know if some ppl continue to push in high keys with bleeds build

[iron carbon]

Check Zeross build for big st

[spice surge]

Yes

[errant hawk]

yeye i know this build but i prefer bleeds, idk why

[rotund oak]

not rly but i do know how to swim

learned over on greece though,coz scarborough ppl think the sea is cursed or some sht

[sharp viper]

poseidon, innit bruv

[iron carbon]

If you play with a fix group, just test what fits the best un ur comp

[errant hawk]

can you give me the names of the char ? pls bro

[errant hawk]

only PU like a barbarian

[iron carbon]

So bleeds in pugs

[spice surge]

Most of the chinese ones are bleed

[rotund oak]

i swear last time i went to yorkshire ppl were gathering into their houses at 18:00 coz fairies and monsters and stuff,idk crazy world

[errant hawk]

thanks i will check chinese ppl

[errant hawk]

i think u are right, i have a better overall with bleeds but i rly suck compare to others class on boss ST

[spice surge]

If you prefer bleed just stick with it, no need to overthink too hard.

[iron carbon]

!design

[burnt juniper]

playing bleed build right now gives you a similar dmg profile to last season

[iron carbon]

Fuck

[errant hawk]

true

[burnt juniper]

and sin was very good last season

[spice surge]

18s have been done with it so youre fine in 16s

[iron carbon]

ST sucks cuz of class design

[spice surge]

Theres only a handful of 19s done on rogues anyway

[burnt juniper]

you can kinda make bleed ST ok if you plan ahead

and go into bosses with vanish charges

[spice surge]

Like i compared a bleed log and a cleave log from motherlode 18.
First boss cleave did like 15% more boss damage
second boss bleed did like 10% more boss+add damage
Third boss about the same boss damage
Last boss cleave like 10% more boss damage but lower damage on add in the intermission

The difference in overall was like 100k in favor of cleave, which is like 2% more.

So its like

[rotund oak]

18 is far beyond any pug territory

so i wouldnt know,but sounds good to know both close enough

[burnt juniper]

i haven't found bleed to be an issue yet

and i really enjoy how it plays

[spice surge]

Obviously m+ logs are kind of a meme too because it depends very heavily on how you pull and whatever, but

[errant hawk]

thanks for your replies! (:

[worn geyser]

is ic spread just completely random or is there an tech to getting it to spread certain ways? is it just aoe in a circle around the target, or nearest to target and to player?

[spice surge]

It spreads to targets without the bleeds up

[midnight mist]

and nearest to you

[worn geyser]

that is convenient

w

[spice surge]

Def aint the 2 closest mobs to you

[midnight mist]

Ye it is

It's just weird cause you also have garotte

So if you garotte first > closest 2 mobs get garrotte

But then the ruptures goes on the guys without garotte first

[sharp viper]

it's also not always the same targets, some get rupture some get garrote in a 7+ target pull

[burnt juniper]

@spice surge btw i ran bleed with iron wire the past few days

and was HARD carrying with IW

[midnight mist]

Because it's prioritize targets without bleeds with no distinction between garo and rupture

[iron carbon]

Sometimes, I regret not doing this

[worn geyser]

bleed with iron wire in certain dungeons is mega pug tech its flames fr

woops wrong reply sry

[midnight mist]

what

[spice surge]

Ok rupture seems to be closest to you, but garrote def aint

[burnt juniper]

i forgot how crazy good IW is

[midnight mist]

i have no idea what this entire sentence means

[spice surge]

Like im standing here on the dummies

[midnight mist]

well did yuo have rupt on the targets

[spice surge]

And its literally not hitting the mobs im closest to

[midnight mist]

cause as i said

[spice surge]

No

[midnight mist]

its bleed

[spice surge]

No other bleeds

[midnight mist]

ok

well i tested mostly for rupt

[midnight mist]

i dont remember if it did the same for garotte

[iron carbon]

Last PSF I did, I was wondering why we were dying on pulls, just no kicks... I did something like twice the second dps amount of interrupt

[midnight mist]

i think i just assumed it was the same for garotte

it does work like i said for rupt tho !

[spice surge]

Targetting the furthest (aka the one to the right)

[midnight mist]

which is the important part

[spice surge]

So its not even the closest to that mob

[burnt juniper]

yeah a lot of dungeons this season you'll brick on kicks, which is ironic because blizz said they wanted to tone down how many interrupts were needed in keys

[midnight mist]

ion said that

[spice surge]

Ok na rupture is also just random, i was just "lucky" the first time

[midnight mist]

devs did the opposite

[burnt juniper]

sons of bitches

[midnight mist]

That's not possible

I remember testing it

[worn geyser]

okay tangentially related to that but how are the first 5 targets for spatter chosen as well, is it same as the garrote or rupture spread

[midnight mist]

Cause I needed to know in s1

[iron carbon]

It's not mandatory with correct players

[golden loom]

in what key range?

[midnight mist]

For a specific arakara pull

[burnt juniper]

i'm working on 17s atm

[coral ibex]

other than the first pull of workshop what pulls are you bricking to kicks this season

[spice surge]

Targetted the one with rupture on

[coral ibex]

i haven’t encountered any other than pull 1 workshop

[burnt juniper]

priory

cinderbrew

ML sometimes

[iron carbon]

PSF, CM left aisle

ML if you don't skip the first area yes

[burnt juniper]

dfc has some pulls where there's a billion casts going on

[spice surge]

Rookery has a bunch, meadery has a bunch

[burnt juniper]

oh yeah rookery

1 cast goes off in the hallways after 1st boss

[midnight mist]

I mean this season is silly lol

[burnt juniper]

someone dies

[iron carbon]

What you swap for IW btw?

[midnight mist]

I don't understand how ion was allowed to say that lol

[royal lantern]

just kill enemys faster

[midnight mist]

And then drop this season

[burnt juniper]

2nd shiv charge

it's less dmg loss than you think

[midnight mist]

We were already seeing it on ptr also while he was saying this shit

Crazy

[burnt juniper]

it was like -2.3% dps for me

[iron carbon]

I'll sim some talent

[burnt juniper]

trust there's nothing else you can swap haha

you could take off MA and then lose like 10% dmg

[iron carbon]

Noway I drop MA

[midnight mist]

I wish they made more mobs that you can just solo kick

Idk why every mob needs to have like 4 diff casts

And just rapid fire them

It's annoying for pugs

[iron carbon]

I miss when we could cancel cast with cc

[burnt juniper]

yeah i don't think mobs should have more than 1 cast

[worn geyser]

u take the zeross-pill and take off shrouded suffocation and accept that garrote is mid anyway, keep second shiv charge gg

[golden loom]

well in bleed u deffo want garrote damage lol

[burnt juniper]

maybe at some point, but i'm good for now

[young knot]

how much versa is needed for m+ guys

[iron carbon]

How we play Iron wire if ze don't spread garrote?

[golden loom]

dropping shrouded in bleed sounds goddamn awful

[spice surge]

You dont need vers for m+

[frank trench]

Does zeros not garotte?

[spice surge]

Unless youre literally doing 20s

[burnt juniper]

he's talking about non bleed hybrid build

[royal lantern]

joke answer or real answer?

[iron carbon]

Yep

[wispy epoch]

I’m doing 20s

[frank trench]

Huh. I’m trying to think about how that would even work does he not use IC?

[iron carbon]

He does for Rupture

[frank trench]

Is there somewhere I can see this lol

[iron carbon]

But build with fok

[frank trench]

Ahhh

I kinda like that

I kinda wanna try that now

[golden loom]

well its only for the one build

[iron carbon]

He got like a garrote on l
Main target, spread 5 rupture, spam envenom

[royal lantern]

no you dont

[lyric gate]

haters

[frank trench]

I been bouncing back and forth between poison, bleed, hybrid I can’t tell which I like more I think bleed.

[lyric gate]

let bro do what he want

[iron carbon]

I tried when he ask us to try

Fcking harsh to play

[royal lantern]

that has nohing to do with "haters"

[iron carbon]

But yes, big prio damages

[frank trench]

Nevermind I dont want to try lol

If it’s super technical I’m not there yet and know my limitations

I’m not even 3k yet 😦

[royal lantern]

its "dont play a build and playstyle that is objectively bad for everyone except a handfull of people" so they dont make their own life harder for no reason

[wispy epoch]

Kinda lowering your energy output by half without garrote

[frank trench]

I appreciate this feedback ❤️

[lyric gate]

you need to use poisoned knife as builder

[iron carbon]

With 5 ruptures up, you don't need more in AoE

[golden loom]

!cleave

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[lyric gate]

since when garrote gives energy

[wispy epoch]

Go read your passives

[iron carbon]

Assa talent, second line, middle node

[wispy epoch]

Garrote is also the best combo point builder during the IG window for aoe to get out as many ruptures as possible

[midnight mist]

why is it called the cleave build

if its not better at cleaving

[lyric gate]

holy i never used garrote before

[iron carbon]

Cuz it only do damages by cleaving

[wispy epoch]

Go download hekilli or something idk

[lyric gate]

i thought you get energy from thhistle tea

[worn geyser]

garrote fake ability hits like wet noodle

[iron carbon]

Not by putting spells on targets

[worn geyser]

cc tool

[lyric gate]

why all this guys with anime pictures hating on me

icant

[frank trench]

Hekili is actually a great tool to get the rythm down of your rotation

And what to use when

[lyric gate]

prolly whyspr

send his army

[iron carbon]

Only if you play shrouded suffocation

[lyric gate]

dafuq is hekilli

[wispy epoch]

Ever play uhhh

[frank trench]

I literally did not understand assassination spend an hour and a half on dummies with Hekili and would stop to look up every proc when something changed then looked it up in talents

[coral ibex]

bait used to be believable

this is so sad chat play chuck person eccojams volume 1 normal speed and pitch

[lyric gate]

lol he even knows what it is

[wispy epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-disgusted-anya-disgusted-disgusted-anime-face-anya-gross-gif-26842953

[lyric gate]

LOL

rotation helper icant

[wispy epoch]

Probably will be able to finally purple parse with it

[lyric gate]

thats somethign i expect in a @balmy condor add on package

[frank trench]

I know he’s being a dumby I was most just having a conversation with myself 😄

[lyric gate]

no i really had no clue what it was until i googled it 1 min ago

thought it was a game or somehting

[lyric gate]

bro if that shit does an orange parse on rik mythic

im in

[midnight mist]

but the command says its worse in cleave situations

[wispy epoch]

Rik mythic is just your tanks putting boss on adds bud

And you getting ramp up on kingsbane

As they come out

[lyric gate]

you mean rik mythic is me shadowstepping the single add 5 km away from boss

[wispy epoch]

That’s a ranger job

Range

[lyric gate]

im a powerranger

poisoned knife

build

[iron carbon]

It more called "cleave" cuz damages only come from Cleave around your Main Target than Cleave cuz good at cleaving

[frank trench]

lol my bigggest parse upgrade was following the advice of never ever leaving main target lol

[wispy epoch]

You might as well go find a new guild if they’re wanting you to actually do anything more than rupture fireworks

[iron carbon]

Dunno if I'm clear

[lyric gate]

they asked me yday if i can go outlaw for mugzee mythic

you might be on a thing there

[golden loom]

idk if you are just yapping random shit

or if they are completely clueless

[wispy epoch]

I never yap

[golden loom]

not u

[cunning needle]

[lyric gate]

im clueless

everywhere bullys i just follow the shobek guide and try to reach my catalyst charge

.

[iron carbon]

2.4% idd, other options are like >5% damages loss

[burnt juniper]

yeah it's not that bad

and depending on the key you gain more than 2-3% worth of damage from being able to pull bigger and faster

[strange tundra]

@lyric gate what did I miss

[lyric gate]

i get bullied like always from guys with anime pictures

[iron carbon]

I'll play it in pug PSF/ MECH / FLOOD

[strange tundra]

Damn bruh 😕

[burnt juniper]

it can help in cinderbrew too

honestly rookery too

[iron carbon]

Yeh CM/rook too, when do you send the shiv?

[burnt juniper]

just kinda press on cd with 1 charge

[iron carbon]

Early DM I bet

[strange tundra]

-2.4% for me, I thought it would be big but guess not

[burnt juniper]

it was already press on cd with 2

[iron carbon]

I was more like on cd with 2 stack and when pack is around 35% if 1 stack

[strange tundra]

But idk hiw much we should trust the sim with how routes are

[lyric gate]

about what build we are talking

[iron carbon]

Bleeds

[strange tundra]

Dropping 2nd shiv for IW

[burnt juniper]

yeah press on cd except for conditions like banking for DM or execute

[lyric gate]

thought execute is a warrior skill

[coral ibex]

you wrote that yesterday

[lyric gate]

i didnt

[coral ibex]

get new bits

[lyric gate]

show proof

[iron carbon]

Going into ML where tank take first pack + Lust, gonna test it

[spice spire]

I refuse

[burnt juniper]

i think it's not so needed in ML, but there are for sure packs where it's gonna help a lot

[coral ibex]

someone else said the same exact message in my guild disc yesterday

[burnt juniper]

gl!

[coral ibex]

you’re free to go

[iron carbon]

See the comp, I guess it will be ok

[spice surge]

King shit, dont let the haters bring you down

[spice spire]

I’d never

Also hater? Buddy I hardly know er

[burnt juniper]

oh phys comp, hell yeah

[spice surge]

The H is optional

[lyric gate]

@midnight mist you help me on my 5 workshop

[proud pelican]

Optional? I hardly know her

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

no

[proud pelican]

Sorry I’m still learning how to use that joke

[lyric gate]

well then i follow the anime guys advice and download helilikki

[strange tundra]

I rather brick the key than take IW

[royal lantern]

better solution

dont play m+

[proud pelican]

[spice surge]

The ideal way to play with IW is to do some stupid ass pull that wouldnt be possible without it so you can make up for some of that lost dps with more efficient pulls

[strange tundra]

That's th3 only thing I play

[royal lantern]

get anoher hobby man

[spice spire]

God you’re so real for that

[strange tundra]

Ikr

[royal lantern]

is he real?

[strange tundra]

I'm not AI

[spice surge]

Bricked recognized brick

[strange tundra]

I swear

[royal lantern]

thats what a AI would say

[spice spire]

How would you know eleem?

Huh?

[strange tundra]

01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101101 01100101 00100000 01110111 01110010 01101001 01110100 01110100 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01101110 01101111 01110100 00100000 01110011 01101111 01101101 01100101 00100000 01110010 01101111 01100010 01101111 01110100 00100000

[arctic socket]

[lyric gate]

what did you just call me

[strange tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261050314669428776/1369362383272804424/hooklol2.webp

[tall jay]

If i wanted to write a mouseover rupture macro but also have rup my target only would that be possible?

[strange tundra]

Yes

[limpid flume]

https://tenor.com/view/psp1g-what-gif-23713811

[strange tundra]

If u hold right click it only targets your target so u can't mess it up

It's a failsafe

U don't have to hold it

[lyric gate]

ok this helicoptri priority helper is kinda sus

no poisoned knife?

[arctic socket]

Poisoned knife

[lyric gate]

@wispy epoch

[strange tundra]

Who was th3 guy who had poison3d knife weakaura at the center of his screen

[lyric gate]

that was me

[strange tundra]

[arctic socket]

That’s so based

[strange tundra]

Real

[grim jay]

Cursed

[lyric gate]

this you mean ß

[strange tundra]

I only have shiv in the middle of my screen

Like at my characters ass

I also do it so I don't get distracted by belf bussy

[arctic socket]

Same issue with vulpera

[wraith girder]

Which iLvL will the new extended hero track end on? Will it be 671?

[arctic socket]

Someone is bolted up

Lemme tell
You

[strange tundra]

What does that mean

[arctic socket]

Read the chat

[grim jay]

How about you repair your gear

[strange tundra]

Read what💀

That's how it looks on phone

[strange tundra]

[lyric gate]

not even onthe healing metre

[strange tundra]

It's not my job to heal

https://tenor.com/view/you-do-yuh-gif-24584940

[arctic socket]

Your phone must be rly bad

[crisp stream]

Guys can we shadow step out of mythic mug zee prison?

[scarlet orbit]

no

[crisp stream]

Thank you

[winged sun]

I won’t let you step out of my arms around you either baby

[royal lantern]

low lvl dungeons are a treat

everytime there is a assa roge, which is once every 20years, its a disaster waching them

crafted dagger with embelishment+stilleto offhand is my new fav

[limpid flume]

they’re just trying to learn xdd

[swift bluff]

I’ve had quite a few runs with Outlaw rogues in the past few seasons where they never stealth and between the eyes isn’t even a notable damage source. They just fine hunky dory doing four button build spend

[strange tundra]

Bro I have s24 ultra idk 😭 😭

[crisp stream]

Does Cloak work on the big fire soak?

[spice surge]

yes

If youre in the immune group save it for that, otherwise use for the healing absorb from the mines

[strange tundra]

How long is the true immunity of cloak

1 second?

[spice surge]

Calling it true immunity is probably pushing it, but yes the stronger cloak is 1 second

[strange tundra]

I mean it negat3s fall dmg too

I tri3d using it on psf on the boss soak took 3 in a row and killed the healer

💀