assassination

[coral ibex]

just a sim yourself angle

i asked if i should go velf and my RL went uhhhh and a day later updated the raidplan to not have me in a gaol

xd

[west crown]

Just more like replace a few pieces and circlet still sims higher

[coral ibex]

yea sure

[analog field]

for some people it does, for some it's replaceable

[coral ibex]

thats not unreasonable

[keen spruce]

[analog field]

when the time comes we will know

[coral ibex]

maybe you will keep it maybe you wont

that's the game when you play a spec that wants stats period

[sonic pagoda]

and ppl say there are no good mogs for rogue

or undead lmao oops

[coral ibex]

me when wotlk tier

[analog field]

guys if we wanna craft a 681 item from scratch we need 90 ? is it confirmed? i know for recraft is 30 extra but i haven't seen anywhere the original craft.

[sonic pagoda]

only 3 pieces of wotlk tier lmao

i have other greens lots of greens lol

[coral ibex]

pretty sure you have to craft a 675 and then use the upgrade piece

so its always 90 crafted total

[analog field]

yeah money-wise this is ultra shit

[coral ibex]

time wise its even worse

[analog field]

if you need to tip for it everytime

hard for many players

[coral ibex]

my guild is potentially not raiding on tuesday

and just doing guild m+ groups

because people need 400+ crests

[sonic pagoda]

eh just go outlaw and spam 7-10s adn blast for the cap lmao

[analog field]

yy sounds like the correct choice

[drifting cloud]

bro theres wqs for 1k gold up, the tips for your 4 crafted items arent gonna bankruptyou

[analog field]

i think mine decided that we are not missing any ilvl (which is correct) so we will try stix again

[sonic pagoda]

is it cool i have like 300 gildeds saved?

[coral ibex]

i guess?

if you had nothing to spend them on

idk how thats possible unless you dont mythic raid

[sonic pagoda]

oh only 200 gildeds going into reset and capped

i do mythic raid lol im only 668 ilvl only started playing last week

[coral ibex]

ive been converting up runed into gilded bags every tuesday to be ready for raid

so i have nothing stored up to convert

[sonic pagoda]

i got a 100 pars on vexie for ilvl at 645 lmao

[royal lantern]

why do you have 200 saved lol

like

use them

[sonic pagoda]

ive used them

g

[coral ibex]

are you just hard stuck hero track items or something

[sonic pagoda]

I'm heroic and crafted bis fully upgraded for outlaw and assa

[coral ibex]

waiting to craft

oh i guess if you havent had a season of vaults its different

[sonic pagoda]

I started playing last week ive only had 1 vault and only killed first two bosses so far

yes lol

which im not mad lmao

[coral ibex]

the catch up is fast

you will probably get every rogue tier token that drops at this point

[sonic pagoda]

the catchup is insanely quick if you hammer m+

[coral ibex]

if you keep mythic raiding

[sonic pagoda]

oh for mythic? probably

yeah ima stick around with these guys and see how it goes we got rik to 30% this week

we were 19 manning lmao

and they were trying 3 tanks for clicking and 5 healers just to see stuff

wants me to play outlaw for barrels because rik is like assa's worst fight idk if he knows that or not but him and i did a raid last night and he goes oh i see your not shit at outlaw either play what you want

[vapid bolt]

ok i tried talking to my rl

guess imma playing sub

time to show all the nonbelievers that we are better than aug

[coral ibex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[west crown]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[buoyant herald]

It’s kinda wild imo that anyone would need to swap to sub for that boss for the raid rather than just personal satisfaction

Maybe if you’re 3 tanking and 5 healing and 19 manning though actually lol

[humble verge]

my raid lead smh

[pure moth]

I stayed sin and did more damage on barrels than others. If people legit played the encounter right...theres no reason to have to swap specs for more damage. It's people being lazy to not know how to handle it.

[coral ibex]

rik barrels is just shameless ranged players not hitting them

always has been

[pure moth]

Yepp

[silk sundial]

If you get bad barrel spawns and/or the tank doesn't move the boss to cleave onto the barrels, yeah sin isn't gonna do great barrel dmg. This late in the season the barrels should be falling over

[buoyant herald]

When we were progging I got a bit tilted, I was playing outlaw and got called out for low barrel damage, we had a few good burst classes who just melted them but somehow we were still dying to them blowing up sometimes

Eventually I figured out that everyone was just continuing to cleave off boss and if there was a single barrel off in narnia

I’d grapple to it and often see zero other damage other than starfall from boomies hit it

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[buoyant herald]

It was 100% ranged not swapping but because they were burstier than me as outlaw (what burst lol) they still looked good on overall damage

[runic hinge]

yeah rik barrels are a test of if your range is gonna swap off boss to the far barrel or not

[slate crown]

Also if they have the discipline to maybe sit on a cd

shoudl they have to? no

[runic hinge]

(they dont)

[buoyant herald]

The craziest thing was

[slate crown]

But like, if one range holds their cooldowns, on my ele shaman I could probably solo an entire barrel set

but only with my cds

outside of cds, no

so do I tank my overall and any parses to guarantee a barrel set? Maybe

[buoyant herald]

The mages got a free pass because of how fire and ignite work

“Ok you guys don’t need to swap”

[slate crown]

Can you convince every range to sit on their CDs and stagger them in groups to guarantee they die quickly? no way

Boss will just fall over on his own passively

I still haven't killed rik but I progged him for like 4 hours in a pug last night, it was a pug though so we had constantly people leaving and new people coming in having to relearn and reexplain and it was just painful

[buoyant herald]

Brutal

The frustrating thing for me was that like

[slate crown]

such is pug mythics

[dense sparrow]

Guys, do you have any combopoints wa that indicates supercharger or darkest night?

[buoyant herald]

Any barrels near melee will just get cleaved without thinking

By melee

[slate crown]

yeah

[buoyant herald]

Like no cd holding, no hard target swapping

They’ll just die

[slate crown]

!wa most of these packs have an indication, I know mine does for both of them. My Combo Point WA inside my pack indicates supercharger and darkest night both

[prisma monolith]

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Whispyr's Plater

[buoyant herald]

But ranged still can’t help but see 3-4 clumped targets and go ham ignoring the single one far away

[slate crown]

Before I swapped to healing I would just not even use my cds on pull

I'd hold onto it for first set, then I started holding them even longer

specifically for that scenario

but also that tanks my overall, and the hall monitor police looking at the damage meters may wrongly infer I have low damage because I'm holding

and in a pug

that can get you kicked

stupid

[buoyant herald]

I ended up just performatively grappling out to single target them

[slate crown]

Abolish the mythic lockout

[buoyant herald]

And still doing less barrel damage overall

But at least couldn’t be called out anymore 🙃

[versed mica]

Actually though

[slate crown]

At least abolish it after HOF closes

[versed mica]

And make it able to be 10-20 man after world first race

Also it pisses me off that LFR players can get heroic pieces

If we're going to make mythic raid items only available for mythic raiders, it should be the same for all difficulties

You know LFR raiders can't kill heroic gally

Make it all fair or let everyone get mythic pieces

[thorn thorn]

So true

[coral ibex]

open it after RWF

[royal lantern]

bruh

what a reddit take is that

[versed mica]

Same take that seduced your mom last night bub

[royal lantern]

i cant Imagine many things that would kill mythic raiding harder then "flex raid size"

its such a shortsighted thing lol

[west crown]

Part of the accomplishment is beating the roster boss

[royal lantern]

more like

some classes would never see a raid from the inside anymore unless they are giga overtuned

many people would be perma benched cus "no we do this fight with 10people now cus its so much more easy"

we had flex raidsizes once, and it got removed for a really good reason

• i always ask the same thing: all the people that think 10man raiding would fix all their problems, where do you get the 2 tanks from and where do you get a competent raidleader? cus we would need 2x the amount of both

and there allready are barely any good raidleaders

[buoyant herald]

Is there a tank shortage because you only need 2 per raid and it forces people to dps, or is it because of the burden for keys

I don’t know many raid dpsers
Who happily tank keys

While I disagree hard with flex mythic, if we had more ten man content maybe there’d be more tanks in general

[royal lantern]

tanking raids and keys is just vastly different

raid main tank is not a popular role for a reason

good chunk of fights you are half afk and just spam 3 buttons on repeat for 3 hours on a raidnight and fight with staying awake

and then some fights suddenly need precise movement and feel shity cus the other tank is bad at the game and cant do that and you hope they never have to do the movement part

[thorn thorn]

Flex sounds terrible but I wouldnt be opposed to 10 man mythic, I have enough friends to make a 10 man mythic run happen but the balancing of that would just be another headache

Easier to either just wait until season end when the bosses are free or just dont raid

[lavish geyser]

for big aoe pulls, how many times do you spread garrote, given you run shrouded suffocation?

[royal lantern]

again

we had that

and it got removed for multiple reasons

and not because "blizz hates fun"

[thorn thorn]

I already said why it got removed

[royal lantern]

but because it was just a dogshit experience for most people involved tbb

[thorn thorn]

They arent gonna bother balancing and designing fights around potentially less than 20 player raids, too much time would be wasted on that

[royal lantern]

like, its just, you either just do a akward "its a fight made for 20people and then downscaled to 10" like we had back then, and it resulted in 10man being a joke because the mechanics became trivial/everything based around positining and arena stuff became worlds more easy

or you make it fitting for 10people, but then they need to make every fight 2x AND you cant even desing the fightd with all classes in mind because 10people doesnt include all classes in the game being present

[slate crown]

NGL you don't need the benefits of flex

if you don't have the lockout

[thorn thorn]

Very true

[slate crown]

the lockout means you have a very dry applicant pool

If that pool is flooded then you cna make 20 work

[thorn thorn]

The lockout has always bothered me but im not a raider so

[slate crown]

for pugging, that is

[royal lantern]

tbh, mythic + pugging just doesnt work period

no lockout would not change that really

[sonic pagoda]

what about outlaw?

[thorn thorn]

Pugs can barely handle heroic bosses

[royal lantern]

cant do a fight that needs 100+ pulls experience with 18 random people from LFG where half refuse to use discord

[red schooner]

We don't advocate for self harm in this channel

[sonic pagoda]

bro what?

IM goated at outlaw and assa lmao

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw is cbt

[sonic pagoda]

havent tried subletly yet

what is cbt

[thorn thorn]

[red schooner]

[worldly sail]

cognitive behaviour therapy

[sonic pagoda]

lmao

[worldly sail]

[sonic pagoda]

I'm not gonna lie i ran outlaw for 4 days and i swapped back assa and im magically better at assa

or maybe just maybe it was the 60+ m+ for practice

[slate crown]

Do you think every pug is like this? OF course a group like this won't work but not every pug is this.

It is a worse experience than non pugging, obviously

But right now it's outright hostile to anyone looking to experience anything except the first boss

[royal lantern]

hey, i dont shame people that are into CBT

but i do shame outlaws

[thorn thorn]

Based

[red schooner]

No lockout would at least allow me to pug the first 2 for vault slots. The raid section of the vault is empty now as we ain't reclearing

So that'd be nice

[drifting cloud]

pugs that do first 2 are running non stop ..

[slate crown]

That's not what he's saying

he's saying he's perma extending rn

[red schooner]

Yeah but then I'm locked out of main raid

[slate crown]

so his vault slots cannot be filled

I'm not in that situation, I just want to do more than the first 2

[drifting cloud]

I mean you can

it just comes down to a pug skill issue end of the day

[slate crown]

Yup, the pugs exist, like I said I tried to prog it for like 4 hours last night

[drifting cloud]

yeah ofc mythic lockout doesnt help

[slate crown]

But

yeah that

[drifting cloud]

but also people are coming off right after the easiest puggable mythic tier of all time probably

[royal lantern]

i mean, you could never pug more there, even eith no Lockout, cus the fights get to hard/need to much coordination for random groups

[slate crown]

The reason we were in there for that long is because of how much time we have to wait to refill because of a dry applicant pool

[slate crown]

I'm not saying it solves everything, but it causes unnecessary friction even in first 1/2/3 runs that could be alleviated

I don't want to ascend to 5/8 in a pug,

But I'd like to not have an utterly gruling experience

A pug ,itself, is a tough time

but it can be made better without the lockout

[drifting cloud]

I mean sure, but youre naive if you think they wouldnt adjust other things if they ever removed the mythic lockout

[vast shuttle]

when do rookery +14 do i use a normal hyrbid build or zeross with super shiv?

[royal lantern]

bleed, lol

[vast shuttle]

ok

[drifting cloud]

theyd probably fumble with the loot systems somehow

but same time if youre willing to spend 4h pugging ... you could just find a 1day guild

[scenic kraken]

Does anyone here clear really high keys?

[drifting cloud]

or god forbid, a 2 day

[slate crown]

not about the time commitment in itself, it's about the unpredicability of scheduling

So, no, I can't find a 1 day guild

[drifting cloud]

so yeah sure when you say just remove the lockout its that easy and yeah it would removed problems

but also adds them sametime

[slate crown]

Noone has ever suggested adjustments to a system imagining that it solves problems without adding others

Of course other problems emerge

so handle them

It exists this way and has resisted being changed for 25 years

It's not like they've never thought of it

I'm not suggesting they haven't

[drifting cloud]

end of the day goalposts would just get moved

to a different spot

lockout removed > make it flex > make mythic easier > ...

[slate crown]

Not everything is a slippery slope

[royal lantern]

one thing thats often kinda ignored

people already get weirldy obssesed with hating on bossting

no mythich lockout would make boosting WAY more prevelant and common

[spice spire]

I prefer gatekeeping the pug andys

[slate crown]

You're making an arguement that would imply making any change ever is bad because it can lead to more changes

[slate crown]

Yup, and I don't mind this

I don't want to do it

but it's a side effect that would happen that I can accept

[drifting cloud]

I mean they changed the mythic loot in SL and they had to revert it what

was it even 1 tier

the number of bosses a raid has probably has the biggest effect how pugging goes

but then if its like a 10-11 boss raid that comes with it own downsides its just affect different portions of the playerbase

its just hard to hit that perfect spot

[royal lantern]

ngl, 10-11 raid bosses always just end up with more forgetable trivial bosses

[drifting cloud]

yeah, which would be better for pugs

[royal lantern]

like sorry, but who remembers the sphinx boss from nyalotha, or hivemind

[drifting cloud]

in this case

[balmy condor]

I do

[royal lantern]

except "they existed and gave loot i gues"

[balmy condor]

And his name is Maut and he was sick

You fucking bigot

[royal lantern]

wasnt it almost a fully patchwerk fight

[marble hemlock]

i only remember the sphinx boss from aq20

unironically

forgot nyalotha had one too

[drifting cloud]

no it had some adds that you had to move away

[marble hemlock]

cheap imitation by the old gods

[hidden bay]

yea will always remember Maut, for some reason it was the boss where tentacle proccd like a maniac

[drifting cloud]

and the intermission reflect shield phase

[marble hemlock]

ngl nyalotha had some of the most forgettable bosses

[fallow canopy]

[royal lantern]

had to run into puddles when he did a big raid explosion, thats all i remember

[drifting cloud]

was annoying

[balmy condor]

No, because the intermission he went stone form and reflected damage so you had to hold CDs or else your healers would want to kill themselves

[marble hemlock]

shit like ultraxion 2.0 or hivemind

were just complete garbage

or drestagath

or the dog

[royal lantern]

i literally 100% forgot that he was a thing

[drifting cloud]

obligatory @rigid mango drestagath ping

[royal lantern]

lol

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

like, nyalotha for me is just wrathion->weird football boss->raden->the boss where vulpera passive was funny->last 2

[thorn thorn]

The boss where vulpera passive was funny

Can you elaborate on this

[marble hemlock]

only reason i remember all of those was because of our guild's kill video thumbnails https://i.imgur.com/P5HL7vs.jpeg

(not sure if one of those is too NSFW, delete if you want whisp)

[royal lantern]

Vulperas Racial Passive is Nose for Trouble

the effect is "the first time you take damage from a enemy, that dmg is reduced by 5% of your maximum health"

aka first time a unqiue enemy does dmg against you, its reduced by a chunk, actually quiet good on tanks in m+ and will often be 1 of their higher dmg absorbs over an entire dungeon

ilginoth in nyalotha had the entire mechanic where blood adds spawned the entire fight nonstop, and when they died thex exploded for raid dmg

every blood add counted as unique enemy, so Nose for Trouble worked for every single raid dmg part there

so it ended up being BY FAR the highest dmg absorb/heal you had, if you played a Vulpera tank it was your #1 dmg absorb in that fight and the blood explosions did 0dmg

just a funny interaction

[thorn thorn]

Incredible

[shy creek]

this is wild

LOL

[marble hemlock]

the shadhar one is still my favorite

[thorn thorn]

What are you gonna change your name to after KB can no longer be parried

[royal lantern]

nah, xanesh

[rotund oak]

watched 2 ppl fanatically in twitch one was ramfam 2nd was you

from raid to keys

[royal lantern]

still a bad mechanic

just less annoying now

[thorn thorn]

You didnt like your 1m CD being parried and wasted?

[novel star]

what’s kingsbane

[marble hemlock]

i dont

[novel star]

[marble hemlock]

get your DN envenom parried instead bud

[thorn thorn]

Fair enough

[marble hemlock]

unironically matters almost as much as getting your KB parried

LOL

[thorn thorn]

Dont worry Fatebound will be playable soon

[royal lantern]

i hope not

[runic hinge]

not until they fix the capstone

[royal lantern]

kingsbane dn

[rotund oak]

still down understand why it sims higher btw

like some diabolical rng flippin' happening

[coral ibex]

no its just an average of many runs

[thorn thorn]

It will happen after its reworked in 11.2

[coral ibex]

which includes all the high rolls

[thorn thorn]

Trust

[royal lantern]

idk whats more insane

that you wanna play cringe coinflips

or that you think it gets a rework

[fleet pagoda]

maybe it'll no longer be coinflips if they scrap it

[thorn thorn]

1: I dont

2: Gotta be reworked cuz its terrible for both specs

[fleet pagoda]

dice rolls instead of coin flips

[royal lantern]

its not horrible for outlaw when the other option is killing spree ok

[rotund oak]

💀

[fleet pagoda]

roll the boneses

[runic hinge]

idk how coinflips are inherently cringe when it's like both are do more damage or do more damage, the biggest frustration is the capstone and the self nerf in aoe not the result of each individual flip

[rotund oak]

still

how can it do more dmg

[thorn thorn]

Its just boring

And lame as hell

Needs a rework desperately

[fleet pagoda]

well it justs kind of a conflict in design. kb got gutted to reduce variance, then we got Variance: The Hero Tree

[runic hinge]

i think the sim more often than not hits capstone in opener and 7% agi for 5 minutes is good

[balmy condor]

Ya imagine if capstone were guaranteed in opener

Fatebound banger

[rotund oak]

that would be awesome^^

[runic hinge]

would be cool, i think cosmic damage is cool

[royal lantern]

but but but

gamble thematic?????

[runic hinge]

yeah gambling is sick and cool

[thorn thorn]

Not when it makes it sick

[royal lantern]

its thematic that you sometimes just do less dmg bro

just gamble better bozo

[storm forum]

Loaded dice/weighted coin even better thematic

Just cheat

[balmy condor]

If they fix the capstone, fatebound isn’t even that much more rng than deathstalker

Kinda funny

Like it’s a bit more but not much

[coral ibex]

well then it becomes how long your streak in cooldowns is

[royal lantern]

the capstone is just the ultimate "this feels so fucking bad" thing

[coral ibex]

which is more fun imo

[royal lantern]

going entire fights without getting it once

very cool

[rotund oak]

blizzard will endup buffing it enough to become competitive and we will chat here why not play it instead of DS

or vice versa

[balmy condor]

I get to reuse the !builds command

But for raid

[lean plover]

How would you fix fb aoe tho

[balmy condor]

Remove the self nerfs

Gg fixed

[lean plover]

that easy? damn

[runic hinge]

just like remove that bottom part

or the whole talent idk

[thorn thorn]

Damn that talents terrible

[runic hinge]

it's why its good in ST

[vocal cradle]

so yall buying signet or cards?

[novel star]

when where

[hybrid falcon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[hidden bay]

Signet/HoC whatever you are able to and second choice Seaforium

Obviously if you have mythic gally down and don’t have the ring you go for that

[worthy rose]

as a mythic signet owner

probably nothing

heroic jastor > kezan > hoc maybe

or if i want to try outlaw seriously il get the capo knucles instead of hoc

[haughty flicker]

cant wait to buy heroic jastor then buy the same item again later

[vocal cradle]

we are progging OAB so im prolly going signet > pacemaker

maybe the other way around to give myself a shot at mythic cards or pull a signet from the vault

[haughty flicker]

whichever one you buy you'll immediately get it in vault anyway

[timid haven]

Looks like my question has been asked. So I if I have myth priory I'll be buying hero jastor and myth pacemaker as a non myth raider

[hidden bay]

For future raids I would def avoid kezan since kill timers will just be lower and lower

[haughty flicker]

so might as well be prepared for that

[hidden bay]

Literally

[vocal cradle]

yep, told myself that arleady lmao

[worthy rose]

if your guild is progging oab are you sure theyr gonna want to give an assassination rogue a hoc

coz that would be fairly toxic to the rest of the guild for people who actually may need hoc 🤣

[vocal cradle]

100% not, but strangers things have happened

[worthy rose]

fair fair

[thorn thorn]

Tell them its 10%

And if they ask for sims just tell them it undersims

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[haughty flicker]

Incredibly based

[worthy rose]

or be like me join a guilds normal lou clear early in the season

sees hoc drop

take it anyway

and when people mald

i just say i need it

but i already had a mythic signet

it was the start of many villain origin storeis

[thorn thorn]

Now that

Is truly based

[modest apex]

kezan for next tier start ?

[hidden bay]

Oh with raids I meant ofc this tier.
Next tier definitely again, yeah

This tier first bosses kill timers where pretty long during progress, can definitely see Kazan bringing value

Unless there’s some crazy trinkets coming

[spice surge]

Its very likely to be nerfed either way

But might aswell get it

[hidden bay]

Yea prob

[coral ibex]

that's what people said about spymaster's web and yet it is still the bis trinket for some specs

[spice surge]

Its only really arcane

But spymaster was nerfed by like 20%

[static glacier]

what if

[haughty flicker]

no

no good trinkets

only nerf last season trinkets

[static glacier]

they actually make trinkets that when 20 ilvls higher are worth usisng

smh

[verbal stirrup]

it wont be used by arcane after dinar + 2 upg track

[static glacier]

sm fucking h

[tall atlas]

I mean why not it’s fun fuck it

Just let it be fun in that season then nerf it. Loot like that should be kinda stupid sometimes

[verbal stirrup]

its not fun if you reroll and dont have the option to farm it rom last tier

[errant swallow]

We're still using Circlet even after reset, right?

[tall atlas]

Remember soul capacitor

[spice surge]

If something else sims higher, replace it

[tall atlas]

Yeh that’s why they nerf it going into the next season silly

[errant swallow]

Ive been so unlucky with rings

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

Some setups are already replacing it, more will after the change, but sim yourself

[tall atlas]

In the season it drops in let it be stupid but after that you need to nerf it or else no one cares. It’s just basic game design

[verbal stirrup]

idk why you say silly 1) they already did that 2) nobody is talking about that

[static glacier]

tbh I expected them to nerf circlet

in .5

like they did with df ring

[verbal stirrup]

yes basic game design that they didnt do properly

[tall atlas]

Then Leave me alone sausage

You replied to my shit

[verbal stirrup]

are you confused

[tall atlas]

Always

Are you a Tauren

Cos you’re really milking it

[thorn thorn]

Should have been 40%

Fuck that trinket

[verbal stirrup]

there are still top logs using spymasters week what

10?

of the season

very cringe

[thorn thorn]

Hate that trinket

Cringe to use and Cringe its still good

[scenic kraken]

What are good% crit/mastery before i start swapping some stuff for haste or vers?

[verbal stirrup]

raidbots.com

[scenic kraken]

boo

[verbal stirrup]

right

[buoyant herald]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[buoyant herald]

Follow the robot

[buoyant herald]

There are still sub rogues using transmitter too, only myth house of cards beats it I believe

[spice surge]

Heroic is as good in sims

So its better in practice

[buoyant herald]

Hard agree. I swapped to the pvp trinket for a 2% simdps loss I hate that thing so much

Point being that if you do all your damage in a short window then yeah those two trinkets remain stupidly good

[barren yarrow]

anyone not go bleed build for ML?

doing a 14

[humble verge]

nah

its fine

just play bleed

[barren yarrow]

i figured

[humble verge]

16 you would go for hybrid for more ST

atleast more boss centered ST

actually

[spice surge]

You can literally play whatever you want and its not gonna make much of a difference

[humble verge]

dont look at what i say

[humble verge]

time to play bleed in a 19

[spice surge]

Theres 19s thats been done with bleed yes

[humble verge]

🤨

[spice surge]

Ok i lied but some of the top dps 18s have

[humble verge]

yeah

suck it

: (

[spice surge]

Theres like only zeross thats even done 19s

[humble verge]

chainbleed has done some

also mortiz and the chinese guy

[hasty echo]

Do you reapply rupture outside of Carnage in AOE? or just leave it on prio target?

[spice surge]

You generally want as many ruptures as possible out

But if the targets are dying in like 4 seconds and you already have full energy then you'd skip

[hasty echo]

ok cool thanks

[worthy rose]

chainbleed my hero

i copy his builds wihtout question

just like @balmy condor says to do

[spice spire]

I only have one hero and his name is eleem

I’d never copy my goat tho he’s a sub main

[worthy rose]

stinky sub mains

[spice surge]

Sub down bad, havent played it for over a month

Worse than aug smh my head, sad times

[thorn thorn]

Aintnoway

[thorn thorn]

Cataclysmic L

[spice surge]

Turns out when youre the 4th worst spec and dont get buffed you drop down, and then when youre the 2nd worst spec and dont get buffed you drop down even more

Now obviously theres more to balance than wcl overall

[thorn thorn]

Frost down there too

[spice surge]

But still sad to see

[thorn thorn]

Massive L

[gray sleet]

Can i get out of Mug'Zee Cage with ShadowStep?

[spice surge]

no

[worthy rose]

ive tried with everything and you cant get out

grapple hook no, shadowstep no

priest lifegrip also no

[thorn thorn]

Pay your evoker to do a pre rescue

[spice surge]

Both rescue and getting lifegripped worked if timed correctly

[worthy rose]

oh i thought he meant when the walls were already up

i dont think anything gets through those

[thorn thorn]

If the walls are already up its too late

But both work if timed correctly

Rescue is a bit more forgiving with its timing

[winged sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1203027614915235921/1371263268701864008/image.png?ex=68227ff0&is=68212e70&hm=86f19ea0b00e7e04f210edbb73682e5ffc08db5c77877e30c32ba2cfbceb9154&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=747&height=279

@broken swift my guy is pumping 2.1m pure st no funnel on swampface

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[thorn thorn]

Big pumper

[balmy condor]

No way zeroes ran out of his own details to spam post

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

He’s sending other peoples details now

[winged sun]

[thorn thorn]

[winged sun]

IM TRYING OK

i can't handle not sending details my brain doesn't brain

[worthy rose]

zeross is the biggest cheerleader

for himself and for others

[balmy condor]

Zeross the like 80 year old grandmother that pulls out a gigantic binder full of pictures whenever the grandchildren visit

Except instead of baby pictures and shit

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[balmy condor]

It’s just details screenshots

[winged sun]

bro

[worthy rose]

lets get you back to bed grandpa zeross

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-meme-monkey-ohno-ohno-monkey-ohno-emote-ohno-twitch-emote-gif-119989999548046247

[winged sun]

u didnt have to bring that accurate analogy

[balmy condor]

“I remember this day well, my first 18 floodgate, oh the memories”

[thorn thorn]

Grandpa Zeross tell us about that time you beat an arcane mage in funnel in floodgate

[winged sun]

oh yeah that floodgate funnel

good memories

[balmy condor]

“And here’s big momma damage, bro I cranked that uhdk so hard back then, no cyap”

[winged sun]

CYAP

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr

Wtf is Cyap

[cerulean walrus]

Zeross through his dentures

[winged sun]

american accent of cap i think

[balmy condor]

You never heard a Russian say no cap before?

[winged sun]

of a grandma

[thorn thorn]

Is that like Gyatt or

[balmy condor]

Yeah sure same thing

[winged sun]

or is it some hill billy shit

[thorn thorn]

Im saying Cyap now

[cerulean walrus]

Check out the gyatt on Big Momma

Almost as big as my meter

[thorn thorn]

Big Momma packing that Gyatt

[balmy condor]

Gotta do it with like a lil bit of a Russian accent though

[cerulean walrus]

Cyka Blyat

[worthy rose]

cyappa blyat

[balmy condor]

Yeah like blyat

[thorn thorn]

I had a polish coworker

Is that close enough

Or does it have to be russian exclusively

[worthy rose]

maximum slav

[cerulean walrus]

Why were you polishing your coworker?

[worthy rose]

what was he polishing

💀

https://tenor.com/view/punya-gw-gif-21591247

[thorn thorn]

He needed to shine

Im not gonna let bro go to work wrinkled tf

[thorn thorn]

He was polishing up on his english

[native turret]

you can grapple out, you just have to time it right

[worthy rose]

yeah i thought he meant hwen the walls were already up

i just stay in cage cuz yolo

i aint needing to min max il leave the other dps to do that

[haughty flicker]

one day i'll be on mugzee

[worthy rose]

im only doing heroics

i aint anywhere near good enough to do mythics

and i cant find a guild either

but heroic got made irrelevant too since we can just dinar what we need

why even do heroic riading

just do lfr and get tokens and yolo

[balmy condor]

One day you’ll be on lotus

Femboys

:3

[haughty flicker]

[worthy rose]

whats lotus and where can i join

[balmy condor]

This is lotus

He’s a very pretty boy

[worthy rose]

what game is this

[balmy condor]

Maplestory

He got a rework like a year ago or something

Very big

Very large

[sonic pagoda]

hello

whats a good alt to play thats similiar to assa roguhe?

[gloomy heart]

[sonic pagoda]

I have ele/resto shama at 650 ilvl doing 10 keys chillin

I need something else to play....Outlaw i play too i played enhance last pack same class basically

Should i roll an mm hunter? or that rotation is buns....it felt bad without 4 piece while i was trolling around

[hot blade]

Is helmet enchants this week? also when is the belt coming?

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

Are you looking for burst or dots

Or really are you restricted to ranged or melee

[sonic pagoda]

Shit idk im not playing dk or paladin lol

im not restricted

[thorn thorn]

Play aff

Aff got some wicked aoe burst they can pack

[sonic pagoda]

Im not playing mage either lmao

[thorn thorn]

ST pretty decent in M+ too

[sonic pagoda]

Yeah afflock over mm hunt?

[thorn thorn]

Im biased, I personally dont like MM

And think the rotation is turbo ass

[sonic pagoda]

Im looking for a second class i can push to 3k io on lol

[thorn thorn]

I find aff more fun

[runic hinge]

feral druid is assa rogue

[thorn thorn]

Aff should be fine

[runic hinge]

[sonic pagoda]

Im getting old which is why i swapped off enhance and dont play outlaw much anymore hurts my bones\

[thorn thorn]

Only noteworthy thing is that unlike demo if the tank chain pulls like an ape you will hate life

[sonic pagoda]

Feral druid is assa rouge lol why would i play feral

[thorn thorn]

Cuz aff has to hardcore turret during their burst otherwise its crippled heavily

But they giga crank

[sonic pagoda]

Ok hmmm

[runic hinge]

feral is slower assa rogue with better m+ ST

[sonic pagoda]

I do have like 6 druids lmao

[runic hinge]

lol

[sonic pagoda]

I dont want to play druid lol

I played druid from classic to mop I only started making alts in cata lmao

Nah i think ill try lockers out i was thinking maybe arms war but meh

[thorn thorn]

All the lock specs are pretty fun rn

[sonic pagoda]

isnt that all higher keys are though?

[thorn thorn]

Demo doesnt actually care much about chain pulling being done properly or not

[sonic pagoda]

Destro is the most boring thing now i played lock in mop to 2817 in RBGs and got hero lmao Demo was busted and i went affliction once demo got nerfed

[thorn thorn]

They establish a tempo and keep it rolling as long as they are in combat

[sonic pagoda]

yeah keeps there demons up huh?

affliction ramp isnt as bad as assa im assuming they dont have to taret swap

[thorn thorn]

Just keep spawning demons and keep the tempo rolling with Demo

When it stops it stops pretty hard

Cuz a good chunk of your rotation is just spending procs that you get from spawning demons

And if they all expire you gotta start the tempo again and its annoying

But if the key has a lot of combat time then its whateves

[sonic pagoda]

ah yeah that doesnt sound much fun

affliction though hows the st?

in m+?

[thorn thorn]

ST is pretty decent in M+

[sonic pagoda]

they seem to be toping in mythic raid Destro is good for m+ to /? uncappered rain of fire lel

[thorn thorn]

Its resource starved a bit but if you pool for burst then it evens out to be pretty good

I dont actually play destro much so idk much about that

Im told you just spam soulburn on cd

[sonic pagoda]

yeah i might break out the lock tbh

oh fuck that build? rain of fire spam with soulburn lmao

[thorn thorn]

I think so

Not sure tbh

Destro is my least favorite of the 3

[sonic pagoda]

but im assuming affliction is pretty decently achivable to 3k?

[thorn thorn]

I think most specs can get 3k pretty easily nowadays

[sonic pagoda]

yeah 5 13 keys and 12s its not bad ive been back 13 days and this rogue was 540 ilvl when i came back now 668 with 2800 io just knocked out 3 12s uber easy and i have a 13 key lol and i have only heroic gear and 1 mythic trinket lmao

[thorn thorn]

But aff has a similar issue to sin

In that its omega shit at target swapping

[sonic pagoda]

yeah funnel dmg huh?

[thorn thorn]

not unholy, brain issue

Aff just has to dot things up first, and put some extra dots on prio targets, which takes a few globals then they can start doing damage to it

[sonic pagoda]

i feel like things like Mm hunter are good at target swapping? or no i mean why would i need to target swap in m+?
for raid sure

[thorn thorn]

You cant just swap to a target and start slamming damage

Unless they were already dotted up

[sonic pagoda]

yeah like ret paladin or warrior

or monk or outlaw rouge

[thorn thorn]

But like last boss of rookery if an add spawns its gonna take you a few globals before you actually start doing decent damage to it

Not that it should happen anyway

[sonic pagoda]

oh shit yeah

outlaw is so ass on that last boss and sin isnt much better

[thorn thorn]

Sin and Aff both have an issue of target swapping being very terrible

[sonic pagoda]

Ele sham though Ele sham will pump that shit with coolie

yeah im aware i comprehend that statement

[thorn thorn]

Ele shaman is just goofy

You pop ascendance and do infinite dam during it

[sonic pagoda]

Ele shaman is bis in my ❤️

zboss dps without coolies as ele lol

[thorn thorn]

Aff has reasonable boss dps without cds

But you do wanna pool shards before you get them

[sonic pagoda]

ah yeah say less ima go get started doing some m+ lol

[violet talon]

For OAB, is it ideal to hold DM for first or second adds?

[wispy iris]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[sonic pagoda]

SHit i find assa dmg on most opening dungeons with lust i dont even need to pop my cds and i do like 9 mil overall and then my cds are up for the chain pull or the second pack and shit gets toasted becasue everyone else just mongo potions lust all cds on first pack with lust lmao

[thorn thorn]

Im gonna be playing sin here soon, my rogue has been dug out of its grave

[cunning needle]

@balmy condor i need to make cygnus knight for the old school classes right?

[balmy condor]

You can delay like 5ish seconds to line up with the first assistants

[balmy condor]

No, old school isn’t out

That’s retail

[cunning needle]

nah i know its retail

but so i can make a night lord

or w/e

[balmy condor]

Oh

Those are explorers

[cunning needle]

ahhhh

[balmy condor]

Make sure you’re playing on a heroic server as well

Interactive is the pay2win shit

[cunning needle]

wait is maple story still locked to servers?

[balmy condor]

Me and the gang on NA Kronos

[balmy condor]

Yah

Heroic has 2 servers which is the free to play “better” game

Kronos is old server, Hyperion is a newer server

[cunning needle]

kk

[balmy condor]

Interactive are pay2win auction house fiesta

[cunning needle]

sounds cringe

[balmy condor]

Yah

Imagine wow token but turbo-roided

That’s basically the entire economy

[cunning needle]

fuck that shit

i just wanna jump around and throw tobis

[balmy condor]

You just straight up buy finished pieces of gear

Yah heroic server

[cunning needle]

shiet its even got voice acting now

and an accoustic version of the login theme

holy shit my nostalgia boner is rising so hard right now

[gloomy heart]

yall fw my profile pic? its my cat and he was staring at our camera

[thorn thorn]

Mine is better

[wise plume]

yea right

[ionic crater]

Can I use dslice to sim for keys??

[gloomy heart]

yes

[ionic crater]

Thank you

[winged sun]

[gloomy heart]

[gloomy heart]

LMAO holy fuck thats good

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-funny-cat-meme-tweaking-gif-1135020915071455925

Ok this cat is more cursed than what the preview looked like

[bronze pike]

[burnt juniper]

i noticed on some pulls of mugzee my envenom buff is dropping sometimes even when standing behind him

is that normal

[cerulean nest]

probably gotta delete the whole game tbh

[cunning needle]

its not normal

but youre also not the only one experiecing it

especially on mugzee

[burnt juniper]

ok cool

yeah some pulls it drops like over and over again

like insta

it's really tilting

[cunning needle]

@burnt juniper

thats what you get for playing assi

where you could instead play sub and have FW drop off

[burnt juniper]

haha fair

[quasi hill]

Morning folks, anyone up for a m+ log review?

I felt underperforming and especially weak on Boss damage. Maybe someone can give me a direction.

Cinderbrew: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLcRDQfqZYVJKPdk?fight=1&type=healing

Mechagon:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLcRDQfqZYVJKPdk?fight=8&type=summary

[fervent fractal]

What items are you guys going to get for dinars? I'm a new rogue trying to figure out what my purchase should be

[olive tree]

Id guess hoc myth is the Most common Choice if u got access

[fervent fractal]

I have raid finders HOC 😦

[balmy condor]

Jastor

And if you don’t have signet, signet

And if you don’t have signet and have never done m+ in your life then house of cards

[fervent fractal]

alright jastor it is

[balmy condor]

And if you haven’t done either of those, uhhhhhhhh

Guide should update soon I think hopefully

But there’s a semi-interactive thing

Buttons

And it’ll auto-populate

Should’ve been updated today but I think they’re a bit behind schedule

[quasi portal]

now what if i already have both seaforium and priory on mythic

[olive tree]

Is signet > hoc for assa? Oo

Or just cuz easier access

[balmy condor]

I’m in that situation, and I’m gonna be doing heroic jastor for rest of prog -> mythic jastor once we kill

And then idk

Mythic kezan for reclear I guess idk

[balmy condor]

They are entirely equivalent

[jolly heath]

wait so heroic jastor cannot upgrade to myth track later?

[balmy condor]

Wdym upgrade

[jolly heath]

if u bought the heroic version

[balmy condor]

Heroic gallywix is hero track

[jolly heath]

dang

what i mean is

if i bought heroic jastor now

and later kill mythic gally

could i upgrade my heroic to myth

[balmy condor]

No

Hero track can’t be upgraded to myth track

You would just unlock the myth track jastor from the vendor

[jolly heath]

I see

[balmy condor]

Which you could then buy with your other dinars

[jolly heath]

ya

[balmy condor]

I just have nothing else to buy so idk

I have myth pacemaker and signet, hero kezan

[coral ibex]

maybe if we stopped calling them dinars people would be less confused at their non-dinar behavior

[balmy condor]

Ya maybe

I have to call them dinars in the guide

Cause “dinar” is an SEO term that I have to hit

[dense shadow]

im so noob , i dont know what you guys are talking about lmao
i dont know what dinar or that there was a mythic track

[balmy condor]

Myth track on items

On Tuesday we’re getting special coins you can use

To buy trinkets

[coral ibex]

my condolences

[balmy condor]

But you have to kill the raid boss to unlock it

So like you can’t buy mythic house of cards if you haven’t killed mythic one armed bandit

[balmy condor]

Which is why I made this thing

There’s gonna be wowhead guides and stuff on all of it

You can read it up there for all the details

[dense shadow]

ah , perfect

thanks

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor did you progress?

I was sleepyhead

[balmy condor]

Did I what

[hidden bay]

Raid or?

Or Monday

[balmy condor]

Monday

[hidden bay]

Almost there

[gloomy heart]

how many sparks can we have atm at max

[lyric stirrup]

Replacing the Siren Isle ring or no? Sorry I’m dumb

[balmy condor]

maybe

[lyric stirrup]

[balmy condor]

depends on character

like it's not better for me

but some people can already replace it now

[lyric stirrup]

ya u right

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/garthwaynes-praising-hallelujah-world-not-worthy-gif-11851435

[balmy condor]

herp is for sure top 6 rogues in a room of 1000 rogues

[inland dirge]

missing .6 though... kinda cringe

[coral ibex]

top 1 for bait posting in whispyr chat

[balmy condor]

bro top 1 bait posting in whispyr chat is ipsa feet

what are you talking about

[inland dirge]

[quasi hill]

morning, anyone on this ?

[inland dirge]

my dogs are out rn

[strange tundra]

Im 99.1 almost there need few more keys

[inland dirge]

if you even care

[balmy condor]

insane work

[coral ibex]

[subtle tundra]

hi people hows the vibe

[strange tundra]

You're not being very chill but we can work on it. Do a lap and reassess your vibe.

[cunning needle]

https://imgur.com/9eAxhxj

[subtle tundra]

that guy is not vibing

[subtle tundra]

I will be FUCKING youi

[slate crown]

I do not enjoy seeing this.

That bro just died

[cunning needle]

yeah thats the current vibe

[tawdry crypt]

why are people not playing imp garrote??

in keys

[balmy condor]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[jovial idol]

Is Assa the strongest? I see that outlaw is doing more damage on those logs but theres way more Assa than other rogues

[balmy condor]

outlaw players don't want to play killing spree

cause it's killing them

[jovial idol]

Well it's not called living spree

What do you expect

[balmy condor]

I expect killing spree changes

[jovial idol]

Should make you immune for the duration

And 2 seconds after

[balmy condor]

[jovial idol]

Ez fix

[fresh kelp]

hmm yes an on demand immunity every 20s

[tawdry crypt]

what is FI?

[balmy condor]

forced induction

[winter wind]

Just make killing spree an animation thing? Lock your character in place where you cast it if you have to

[red schooner]

"If you have to ask, you should play bleed." Glorious.

[winter wind]

It only needs the cool visual of teleporting around the target, doesn't need to actually move you

[jovial idol]

So blade dance clone

[balmy condor]

there's plenty of "just do X" fixes that players have mentioned

"just remove the forced movement"

"just remove the animation"

and like very easy to say that

but also kind of a bandaid to a more complicated problem

and also a bit stupid to think that they haven't tried that

like the forum post from wox on a private server just going kekw remove this part of the spell and it's fixed!

yeah genius mate, I wonder if the devs (whose literal job it is to know the codebase) ever thought of that

[empty quartz]

just give it hunters turtle effect

[rotund oak]

just buff outlaw so pirates and go back to their channel

#positivevibes

[oak tangle]

just remove the spec

[jovial idol]

I was just wondering why Assa is so overplayed compared to the other 2 specs, wondering if it's really that good

I want greener grass

[rotund oak]

because outlaw needs a haste breakpoint to function

and sub too complicated

[empty quartz]

it's easy and extremely strong

[jovial idol]

Very compelling points

[rotund oak]

sub also needs a buff

short of

[red schooner]

Yeah, sub needs some love right now

[empty quartz]

sub kinda simple but it's giga punishing to lose uptime n stuff

especially during cds/dance

[oak tangle]

i appreciate sub for allowing me to not care about what mob im targetting

[red schooner]

I am a simple man, I enjoy dot specs, I play sin.

[oak tangle]

or use brain power to work out what mobs i have / dont have dots on

but, i appreciate sin for having a simple put dot on thing gamepaly

[jovial idol]

You don't need brainpower for that, just good plater

[rotund oak]

sub still does most of its dmg in sblades/double dance window

u cant miss that,else u do negative dmg

[strange tundra]

Please do 🙏 😭

[wise plume]

[grim jay]

I mean, sin is arguably the most engaging m+ spec of the three and there are many that dont think its simple there

Outlaw is just the same mash buttons as it is in ST

Sub has some planning for CDs

[worthy rose]

i can definitely say as someone who came back from a 15 year hiatus on WoW assassination is still the most intuitive rogue spec

pick it up and immediately do decent on it

outlaw and sub is alot of "??? dafuq is this"

[lucid basalt]

Yo bois my gm force me to play assa on oab i did some recrafts but i kinda need help for some optimazations. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mUck3EKpZdbi2XwzDGmXND

[wise plume]

outlaw is just brrrrrr hit glowy button roll dice

[worthy rose]

im seeing a lot of names here in chat that i spy on murlok

real high rollers for rogues

[wise plume]

and it aint me

[worthy rose]

how are u guys so good

[grim jay]

Intuitive yes, because you'd naturally get the concept. But its about being on the good performing end, not picking stuff up.

[oak tangle]

i find it simple, cause im hard wired to mesh with the dot upkeep aspect of the spec. so to me it is simple

i mean i also think of the kingsbane window and shiv timings / vanish usages as simple too

[grim jay]

Yeah well if you play the class long enough or the spec is about what you naturally are good at, that happens.

[oak tangle]

but like there is a lack of time pressure that other specs have, so if you can think a few seconds ahead you'll be cruising

[empty quartz]

sin certainly amps up the skillcap in m+, but you can really half ass it and perform relatively well too

[rotund oak]

ascension+writhing band(minor upgrade),gems,some recrafts on crit/mast maybe,double depths wpn enchants

all that jazz 😉

[strange tundra]

Sim the recrafts tho

[rotund oak]

ofc,i cant sim it for the man,at work

[strange tundra]

I meant for him

[grim jay]

Holy smokes

The statweights sim

[lucid basalt]

Not relavent probbaly

[rotund oak]

yup,statweight is

weird

[lucid basalt]

We missing boss damage so i had to reroll assa for execute

[olive crater]

Hello! I see in high keys assa´s are playing classic hybrid build but I prefer the bleed build, do you have any recomendations? Ty!

[cunning needle]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[grim jay]

Play the bleed build

[wise plume]

^

[oak tangle]

are you also playing high keys

[olive crater]

13-14, not high

[wise plume]

sudden demise go brrr

[red schooner]

Just tell your raid leader to wait til next reset, the ilvl boost should fix that

[lucid basalt]

Do i go full crit mastery even on st ? I ignore haste + versa ?

[red schooner]

Easier than the reroll

[wise plume]

a lil bit of haste and vers are good

[red schooner]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[oak tangle]

higher than me, but just play whats fun. they play different builds for different reasons, and unless you have a reason, i wouldn't follow them

[red schooner]

We kind of like all of the stats to an extent, so the answer is to sim it unfortunately

[olive crater]

Where i Can compare my "bleed´s talents" With another? Do you have any build here?

[wise plume]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tDRZtfwtfaeKqCBhEdB9Gx compare mine

[balmy condor]

you just kinda gotta play it

it depends on the dungeon and the group

[lucid basalt]

Meanwhile sub sims 4.1 in dslce and does less damage overall xD

[wise plume]

if you have an uhdk in your group, forget abt it

[lucid basalt]

Outlaw sims like 4.7

4.6

[balmy condor]

turns out sims are a terrible reference to use

who knew

(everyone)

[oak tangle]

i heard you were a big fan of those sim spreadsheets whispyr

HUUUGE fan

[worthy rose]

oml i just tabbed into that

[polar rampart]

i base my world view on sims

[worthy rose]

bros in the best gear there is

thats a flex

[lucid basalt]

Tryed 18 rook as assa yday felt really good till 2nd boss maybe i wait 1 more week if no buffs to sub 100% commit assa

[wise plume]

bring back alge'thar specifically for tree room on fort

[lucid basalt]

Ty

[bronze pike]

shh dont say that whispyr

you'll attract them

[balmy condor]

brother have you been in this channel

in like

the last month?

they're already here

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/kriziebizie-krizziebuoy-magmastuff-magstok-pootisman-gif-1255252459385296217

[balmy condor]

assa channel is the refugee channel for every omegalaw and subintellectual

literally cannot escape the stupid

[oak tangle]

should there be times when i am not pressing buttons?

[sharp viper]

for raidbots to include the increased itemlevel

[runic hinge]

why am i here then

[bronze pike]

real

i do hope for ks changes

make it int a bladestorm clone but with guns

[lucid basalt]

Cannot wait 1 button rotation for assa probably nothing changes right if u do it manual or 1 button 😂😂

[balmy condor]

nothing except you deal 20-25% less damage once they fix the bugs

[red schooner]

For pictures of Stuart

[runic hinge]

true

[cedar iron]

Gcd penalty cant hurt you if youre waiting for energy

[sharp viper]

that sounds dope as fuck

[golden loom]

Samira ult from league

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-overwatch-league-gladiators-gladiator-los-angeles-gladiators-gif-13574662

[rotund oak]

1 button rotation helper is crazy to me,im mad

[balmy condor]

why

[rotund oak]

coz its hekili vibes and i hate hekili

[balmy condor]

yeah except its bad

[rotund oak]

yeah the fact that is bad its a given

[lucid basalt]

I do not have the brainpower to play assa if no 1 button 😦

[sacred schooner]

why? hekili good enough while you learn how to play new spec