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Sounds like a skill issue
because he's chaining, just like shit
then he doesn't even taunt mobs
and allows me to get hit with a tank buster

use tricks

I did
KINDA based ngl
they should really add some tab where it shows how much dmg u prevented and with what
details does an incredible job at just making a chart that looks huge and then relying on people to go "well its damage meter, how could it be wrong"
its honestly crazy how much gaslighting they've gotten away with
Logs can do this 
prot warrior

yeah true but why not have it in details as well
????
i log everything anyway
purposefully pulls like shit
u mean the 4th dps tank xd
cause it literally can't
prot war that can't hold aggro should live in guantanamo rent free
oh
I can't wait to feel uncapped omg
There is a lot of things Details doesnt show because they either cant or it would nuke performance
makes sense then
it's the same thing when you play with an aug and details shows that like background aug bar with how much the aug did
you know the one
The terrible one
guess how that finds out how much damage the aug did
That is not even accurate
and if you said "well combat hooks, the same way logs do"
Or even remotely close to accurate
it shows on live dps but doesnt show on overall

Its making a very rough guesstimation based on their buff uptime
science ๐
damage * buff uptime = aug
so where can i see in warcraft logs how much dmg i prevented
The author has mentioned that he could do 100% accuracy but the addon would nuke performance
Very cool

damage taken
nice
it was also 69% of cooldowns
Healing, and click mitigations sub tab
good number
Specifically what its showing is what % of your total damage reduction a given ability was
yah and then instead of having some integrity and just saying "this might be harmful to show bad data and it reflects poorly on my bloatware damage meter" the author decided to just add a shitty version instead

correct 
it mitigated 100m of dmg?
Surely native blizz meters will fix all this
In total yes
thats good no?
Sounds pretty good
unironically, yeah probably
I didnt look at the key level
its 15 rook
Sounds decent
I bet they get it right eventually, hope is sooner rather than later
okay well that's not happening 
If you are taking Elusiveness then its just added to feint
just one look at the new cooldown manager
If you have cheat and it procc'd and blocked damage with its DR then it would show
and you can tell it's gonna be a couple expansions
yea i meant elusiveness not feint
but i guess u cant see elusiveness in logs
It wont count elusiveness or feint individually yet
yea
They are just added collectively under feint
figured
The tab is still very wip
isnt wow like 20 years old
The cooldown manager would be cool if this was 2005
And didnt have a bunch of shit we wanted to track and a bunch of shit we didnt want to track
cant we use cooldown manager as a better macro?
i mean the autorotation thing
1 button press

because of that 0.3 gcd idk
It was like a 65% loss to use the one button
Or some crazy shit
okay well that's cause it's bugged and the rotation sucks
if they fixed it and it was like at least a little intelligent with deathstalker it would be like -20%
but right now it never initally applies a mark and then spams poisoned knife
so
me
Certified Stormrage player moment

Not the poison knife
it's supposed to be while not in range
but they missed the not
so it's while in range
me when im in range
and i spam poison knife
and it suddenly crits for 25 million

your mom

How could you be a banana you are uberscot
paladin moment
Give me your most cursed reaction mp4
no
yeah if i posted my most cursed reaction, it would be something he would say
and whipsyr would ban me
im sorry :(
i got lucky with the gg
one
is there a cap on how many garrotes I can spread with IC?
Check dms
so, no?
I mean the cap is technically 36 if you spread them perfectly on every gcd from a subterfuge IC but I assume that wasn't the question
Hell yeah, slamming all my crests into gilded on Wednesday is gonna net me 436 gilded, I think I should be okay without m+ grinding
Well i dont intend to. But on larger pulls i saw casual addict spread 4 times. I for some reason only thought you cpuld spread it 3 times ๐
yah it's just whatever you press during the timer there's no charges or something
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you guys do keys?
is that based off calculating the upgrading crest thingy?
Calculating the upgrade thingy
I still have 43 more runed to get
Gonna walk into wednesday raid with maxed out gear
gonna log just to check
all is well
"Why are you doing world content goat, its a waste of time" , WHO'S LAUGHING NOW
well i do have a ring i guess
the ilvl boost thing happens on wednesday
You should be grand then
im gonna dinar a jastor
(when we dont kill gally tomorrow, and im in on the kill on monday)
We're on sprocket, the jastor dinar is a long way away
Nah RFWL life is chill, I'm cosy
real
I don't do well under pressure, so RFWL is my vibe, cos no matter how bad you fuck up, there's probably someone else in the team doing something more heinous 
thats why im in a CE guild, cause im the worst gamer
honestly with my mythic pacemaker and mythic signet
I think I dinar a heroic jastor
kill gally
and then dinar a myth jastor and a myth kezan
cause like what else am I gonna do with it
heroic jastor is #1 dinar goal for almost everyone i think
and then maybe house of cards or kezan for the memes
wouldnt u take hc kezan for mugzee prog ?
surely for tier set pieces you could just vault and catalyst eventually
does myth shoulder make that much of a difference?
idk, could be pretty big upgrade afaik
I have a heroic kezan already
just sim moment
Ok whispyr of all trinkets haver
I'm just envious of you guys my guilds just die and I pull stuff like heroic jastor from the first week of a heroic box but have no use.
gaming
get a sword transmog you will never use
i used catalyst to get boots tmog
i have all the essential stuff for the myth tmog
besides cloak
but who uses cloak nowadays
what if you want to look like batman
yeah i need to check myth priory v heroic jastor
but, need to do that wednesday when the ilvl upgrades are in
I mean yeah it's been equipped since getting it. But I don't even have a consistent raid group. I guess what I mean is it would be better off for people who get more time in and would have better mileage. I'm not looking to be the wild unhinged take of the day.
ium fairly sure the upgrade ladder is mainhand > both trinkets > other shit
will have to sim but im 99% confident the signet will be the bigger upgrade
but you could always wait for vault on that one
I'm meaning dinars
Yeah, it'll be a case of sending sims
Just can't do that til raidbots has the new ilvls

Either way, 406 gilded on wednesday, i'm chilling
I fked up the bubbles skip last night because i pressed tricks out of prepull habit and didnt click it off when doing the skip
Thats it
Im playing blackjack
what is he digging for!!!
whatever it is, I won't believe it
...
yeah ure washed oxi
sorry to say it
if you wont believe
ure kinda poopy doopy
literally u rn
i know we're in the middle of the weekend but
ok @gusty mirage i take it back, u are kinda cool
@balmy condor when next stream
when his internet permits it
She living somewhere else?
I sneak her out of the house to have adulterous sex with men
is it adulterous if she's okay with it
depends who you ask I guess
could be for the mens' wives
Can I not use Evasion on Rik to dodge a slam anymore?
nop, they hotfixed it
womp
does evasion immune overseer's roar in dfc? i just found this out by accident (me thinks)
yes, you can also vanish it

feels like the applications of these defensives are on a lottery system
like without elusiveness, we have no buttons for Let it Hail in meadery. not super intuitive
you get used to it
if something happens, cloak
or feint

forced induction or double vanish build for top 14? :/
play bleed
that was the question, yes
I was trying to play Forced and Double vanish for dungeons and i was doing 3.5M
i went to bleeds
and i went up to 5M
So even tho bleeds is boring
just go Bleeds
Its goes broom
it's also just easier to play
Is there a list of things we can Evasion and Cloak this season?
no
Can i evasion the bombs in mug zee
no
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
you can actually
but you have to walk into it I think, if youre on top of where it lands its prob not going to work
probably been asked a million times but any reason why the top rogues don't play bleed?
I should make a command for that
๐

Bleed all the way unless you do really high key like 18 and miss smth like more st etc
Full priority damage. Pulling around the Rogue
Updated.
imagine me not timing this 14 mech bc ppl cant get past the bots before 3rd boss lmao
yea you killed him
I think the bot command is slightly too long
and moroes couldn't take it and jumped
!richard
swap to outlaw

who killed moroes
I did
turns out if a command is longer than base discord character limit
the bot explodes
RIP in peace
RIP=Rest in peace
rip in peace=rest in peace in peace

!guide
oh its gone
good morning sap

I see you are just now catching up
bot dead, use the search
Whispyr of Moroes Killer
wich talent wish to spam priority 6
i am gathering my trinket and medium crests
bleed one?
play whatever build
im 650 feel , druids are doing much more on aoe, im playing hybrid
same ilvl all 650
i think is low
i mean you can go bleed and "snipe" add dmg with sudden demise
but it's +6 and everything just dies anyway
if you're doing anything under 17's, play bleed
i feel so bad. been running ST in mythic dungeons
wdym st
single target builds, no bleed prior really
๐
no wonder ive been at like 1m dps
worst of both worlds going hard
does it infuriate you?
yeah, 90% of mythic+ is aoe
nah, if anything it probably infuriated those I was playin with
that's crazy work
but i found my answer
I mean it must feel like absolute ass in AoE no
where are you getting energy from
If I had to play a raid build in m+ I just probably wouldn't play m+ I'm gonna be honest, that sounds so miserable
depression
indiscriminate carnage does us wonders apparently for energy regen
it fuels everything
it was miserable lmao
yeah I bet
slayers set
BT isnt nice to me
so all i got is vengeful glads
tomb of sargeras is even more racist to me
lol
ive almost got a full set of a bunch of other classis but still nothing on rogue
somehow my transmog runs are fully raicst
those guys are insane nerds
i shit u not i went ot icc today and i got damn near a full set of DK stuff and im still hunting the rogue belt
if you have an idea they can probably flesh it out
yeah but their stuff is too hardcore i was hoping for something that looks good and isnt impossibelt o get
gg
typical slutmog things
but i remember ur challenge tower video and know u have the legion challenge daggers
fk u whipsy
h8 u
like a true man that plays a female in video game would do
jk ily
wouldnt u just hide all
instead of even transmogging
no
even i deserve to look sexy
because then I had to listen to the rest of my guild talk about it for like
4 weeks
while I was like
there was a time before indiscrim carnage and tempest
"that was it?"
I have no feeling in my pinkey from tab targeting
then everyonpe else is malding coz it is hard
literally
sorry wait no run it back
your PINKEY?
sorry terrible spelling
what kind of fucking freak are you
Do the SL mage tower
set it to your scroll wheel. then set zoom in and out with shift + scroll
big pinkies
is that weird?
Binding scroll wheel is big tech
yes lmao I have never heard of someone hitting tab with a pinky
I use ctrl+wheel for zoom
do comp stomp and farm honor for old pvp sets
50% keyboard but what I have done for like decades
which older sets do we want as rogues
i think i might hit it with my ring finger
I have wheel and shift+wheel bound to abilities n shit now
i got merciless and i got vengeful and the wrathful and cataclysmic
normal humans with regular joints hit it with ring finger
i think those are the best looking
probably explains the nerve damage
bro. are you me?
thank god
why you so based
Itโs so good
it's beyond goated
which abilities
Depends on class
soon we're all gonna be binding 1-button to mouse wheel and letting that shit spin
rogue
qwes and all the left row with pinky
spinning crane kick and RSK are on shift + scrl for me
For rogue I have dumb shit like distract, shroud, focus kick, etc
But I was already so used to my rogue binds I didnโt move dmg stuff to wheel
qwes with pinky?
oh shit
what
surely I don't understand
single button rotation
spin the mouse wheel
and then afk to make a coffee
come back boss is dead
just running around spinning the wheel
maybe he has one of those half keyboards
For dk and DH I have reticle abilities bound to wheel
but how are you reaching E
do yall have the og g502 with the metal wheel?
with pinky
i used to
its like youre trying to move the mouse
Like AMZ@cursor and AMZ@player
might need to buy again ๐
and it refuses to move
the inertia is insane
i dont think they make the og anynmore
Sigils for DH etc
bro has good fingering i guess
it was a true weapon to throw at your friends when theyr griefing you
does not reach E
i have a side wheel on my logitech master 3s
sorry not clear
that i dont use yet
just left row with pinky
again fucked up my hands why the fuck didnt I rebind that
yeah ring finger for tab
having bleeds spread was maybe the best thing to me ever when that happened
i hit 1,Q,A,Z,Tab all with ring finger
i miss having ` bound on my old 100% keyboard
dont forget caps lock for when you rage
my 60% keyboard only has Esc,1,2,3
caps is rebound to alt
:l
i miss my addons from cata
i've tried this, didn't like it
my ui was so clean
this is the best keyboard i've ever used

bro has got the streamer board
I cannot use a keyboard without the wrist thing
I can understand why tbf
This is my keyboard
with diff caps
the switches are dope
I replaced all my key caps the other day but they didnโt send me a spacebar that fit
keyboard sounds and feels amazing
go deeper down the rabbit hole with an orbweaver. wasd is on a thumb stick and the rest of your left hand is 25ish keybinds

white keys
4 spacebars and none fit
oh you meant the corsair k70
Yea
very wavvy
yours looks nice
Nuh Uh
with the caps
Yeah the caps do look nice for being 13$ off Amazon. I was playing a few weeks ago and my W key broke off
i wanted something quieter/heavier with heavier switches so i wouldn't fat finger as much
Maybe I should look into it
still have linears but they take slightly more force to press
so no clicky/humpy thing on the switch, just a bigger spring inside or something i think

i don't think i've ever broke a cap straight off
just worn down the plastic on top
no cap?
like the black around the lettering

Honest question. I was thinking earlier trying to remember correctly. SO Poison Bomb was crazy and annoyingly strong in legion, then was a talent row choice but fairly nerfed in BFA right and that row had some better choices?
or am i misremembering that? I was comparing it to blood beast except that kinda tracks even if the tank moves
poison bomb got nuked from orbit after legion yes
crimson tempest came back
and was the default in m+
np
what about the FoK build in bfa
was meme shit
i only ever heard about it, didn't play then
Keyboard is 5 or 6 years old now and as you could guess the W key is the most used lol basically two of the sides of the cross part that sits on the switch came off. Whoopsie. Maybe I need to press less hard
which was like
increase fok damage by 20% every second
stack 30 times
that was a talent, and people were memeing with that
and then later on in the expac they had an azerite trait
which made mini foks when you crit with fok
and with crit corruptions that went stupid op
yeah my k70 is also like 5+ years old now, but i've been using the higround for almost a year. the k70 is still in nice condition, i cleaned it a couple days ago because it was collecting dust 
but the talent was still bad
oic
i thought it was actually like the 'meta' assa build for a time or something
i just remember seeing some clips of people blasting with FoKs
I felt gaslit when i was reading your wowhead article about shadowheart
like no way that exists and i didnt be like "but why"
whispyr
yeah, the azerite trait, not the talent
i need a sim to tell me which mothers fay gift is a better % increase
flowers or choclate

free stealth leech going so hard

both?
why?
im getting her both
setting a low bar so that you can always exceed expectations
what if
choclate with flower flavor?
if I were your mother my most requested gift would be for you to stop talking
Get it some new key caps
Beware the spacebar tho
its hilarious that Unbreakable Stride only works on some slows. its just like the feint pvp talent Preemptive Maneuver
it only works on some stuns
what have they been doing with their coding lately man
never too late
i was just gonna give it to my folks to use for their PC, they're still using a membrane keyboard that came with their PC
lost my mom last year, appreciate it while you can. I was fortunate and got one that loved unconditionally which is maybe the rarest thing in the world.
Hi guys Im new to rogue spec can some one help me with the macro and the talent tree people are playing for M+
assassination guide
mean >:(
im getting her tobarons
and her favor perfume

I didnt see any macros here
thank you 1 more thing I was checking wowlogs and checking in high keys people taking something different than the tree suggested in the wow head
mostly people going this tree but in wow head the tree is something else
Im confused
omg not another person linking a zeross log
what if he's on a wheelchair
i can't bro
it is not only zeross
if you aren't pushing extremely high keys you shouldnt play that build
others also going this build
high key build is different from the best regular build
like 18+
the bleed build from wowhead is the best until you get to like 17-18s and higher
oh thank you I didnt know that
what about the ui , where can I get the best ui right now ?
quazii rogue WA is good
Yeah it's personal
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i use Jundies plater, from wago.io
its also quite good
!wa
i legit just pasted them above
cheers mate

im already rockin whispers plater
it was really helpful thank you so much I was really confused about the build
lol
im not sure which weak aura pack to get though
im done with helkili
i can track my bleeds
and cast shic tea at 8 secs left on kingsbane
ye just follow the wowhead guide, it'll show you rotation etc as well
thats kinda the problem of looking at the tippy top players, cause if they are running something non-standard there is some context that is hard to know from just a talent page
once you've got everything down and get into higher keys you can start to swap stuff as needed
Especially the build that zeros runs, its way harder to play than regular hybrid / bleed
I mean thats what I did with my hunter actually playing wow for 30 days now and I took the build from top players and pushed it to 3k io I thoigh I can do the same with rogue
you can also swap Lightweight Shiv for Iron Wire in pugs
but it was really confusing
on the bleed build
why
thats the only difference?
and its all about envenom spatter
so just multiate your main target with bleeds and it spatters?
and manually apply bleeds with tab targetting or clicking a or macros
nah you still fok in aoe ofc
thats usually fine, its not always a common occurence for the regular build to be diff from the high level build, but it does happen sometimes
True
not having subterfuege + double vanish makes it 20x times harder by itself imo
whoever said no you dont mutilate in aoe better read caustic spatter
? you only need to refresh spatter every 10 seconds
you only mut once to reapply it
you still build with FoK
the rest of your building is all FoK
i mean should be fiine in groups wiith coms etc
yes cool cool
real
which weak aura tracks all that or whatever
i pug with fatebound ez life
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took my melatonin im about to fall asleep lmao
this shows if spatter is up
immune to chain best sim dps
bruh can i trust a weak arua cokde at 4 am in a discord
no shot i copy that
bruh with bitcoinmining weakaura ICANT

fuck i copied it
๐๐ฟ
and now my skin transforming to dust
was 2.1m on kingsbane
same dungeon , bleed build
Probably i suck at bleed build
just play poisoned knife fatebound
thats so rng? right
show damage breakdown
no caustic ?
15% ct uptime?
yeah , but didnt used well
is the main dmg
show me where on this chart it says caustic
ok i will try
do you even have it talented
wym "i will try"
do you have caustic spatter talented?
no you suck at assa
i swear on the other build i use caustic
the playstyle is not so different
the thing is, on this build caustic tracker is in other place of aura and i forget to uptime
just on bosses
Keep CT up, caustic, shiv in aoe, bleed build done
yeah, i did bad

It's fine at least you can adjust
going to track the caustic better
and just was doing 6s
for the signet
now i get the signet and going to play higher levels and adds will going to live longer
you have executein low keys
i know caustic is the 3rd thing you have to apply
but my auras arent so good anyways , there is loot to improve
i would say caustic is nr 1
i do garrote x2, rupture x2
you just need rupture to apply it
crismsom and mutilate
i dont like that opener
i do ambush garrote 2x rupture mutilate garrote ct then fok into enveonom
You're... You're ambushing for deathstalkers mark, right?
Right?
those auras helps a lot to use well rupture and garrote on multiple enemies
yeah ambush always at start
Okay crisis averted
please dont let whysper see this
then its envenom, carving mark , trinket shiv, tea, kingsbane and envenoms
LOL
xd
fucking tab
eofl
really apreciated the help, going to work on caustic
you mean renowm ?
rep ye
for the neo cloak
yeh the matrix coat thingyt
im allergic to farming
man i just found out u need like 10hrs of killing trash
can be like 12-14
ty that helps
xD cba
and the way its looking, you want to do it now while there's groups for it
i bet your raidleader has it
he did
grinding it solo later on will be even worse i think
for this grind we go bleed build?
..
coz i dont think u will ever envenom or use use spatter
go fatebound poisoned knife and solo it
open world u just garrotte ruptur and walk away
ik but w.e
Actually true lmao
u prolly just run around spamming fok
i heard outlaw is faster for gathering with x4 hooks
to tag everything
assa can cleave all adds on mugzee
or not
i saw on heroic i could cleave them in cage
You can
if they are close enough yes
If you manage to convince your guild to tank mugzee in the middle of the prisons and they are close enough you can cleave both adds from mugzee.
i deleted that illusion
already
bandit is also good assa fight
not the adds part himself but the cleaving at the end with lust at execute
also sniping full energy every add
not the worst
rik is the worst
did u race change to mag orc?
rik can be played as sub?
probably the best spec
why is that, i was thinking of doing it but then i wouldnt have cute belf female
his immunity line up with your cds
since mid of last tier yes
asking the racoon lord coz cant track him outside a magorc
what does that even mean
this is what peak performance looks like
kek

it means im following all the good rogues for progression
stealthi falls under that category
meld count as vanish?
no
human male priest
meld is op

hoiw many fucking times that shit saved me from bad overlaps
meld is overrated
or gave me a reset on bleeds
Its official guys
if u could do that for u sure
Ryukage is sin now
but its unrealiable
is good , to reset aggro, but rogue have tools for manage aggro, and stealth
we dont care
lets get started
WH
bro i have perma tricks on tank
meld have more utilities proabably
still gettin aggro
dear F lord,the plague is here
imma be honest, i didn't even realize it came with a full set. I just buy everything from the thingie i never actually look what it is.
TMNT and raccoon fox stuff
how cute
Imagian playing world of warcraft and not be absolutly addicted to Expedition 33.
rookie
let him cook
This is me
laughed so hard

















