assassination

[inland dirge]

i was under duress

at gunpoint

[balmy condor]

you didn't even want to but you did 15 flood, rookery, dfc, and brew

surely

[inland dirge]

they're already threatening me with the same tonight...

[balmy condor]

weekly vault keys

[inland dirge]

i mean i didn't even want to do 12s

but my boy sj said he needed me

i will do anything for the homies

[balmy condor]

you make me sick ipsa

[inland dirge]

man blame @upbeat bobcat

he bribed me with feet pics

and not shooting me with his gun

[balmy condor]

oh okay understandable

[inland dirge]

ty

[balmy condor]

you should've lead with that

[inland dirge]

duly noted

and, i mean... how could i resist a request from sj with a name like this

man just speaks my language

[balmy condor]

you could have the real thing but instead you run off with a scientist

[inland dirge]

why not both

or is that too greedy

[balmy condor]

you hurt my feelings

sleeping on the couch today

[inland dirge]

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

Help I forgor how to play Sin

[merry tapir]

we still using bleed build for m+?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[merry tapir]

is this the one right?

[coral ibex]

yes

[vestal cliff]

can we replace the Siren Isle Ring with a Mythic Ilevel Ring next ID?

[balmy condor]

if it sims higher, yes

[merry tapir]

i've seen a lot high io rogues taking kingsbane

why is that?

[balmy condor]

they're playing for boss damage

cause keys would legit be impossible otherwise

bosses would take too long, run out of defensives and die

[finite cliff]

zeross build is wild but i like it

[merry tapir]

what lvl of keys we talking about?

[balmy condor]

17/18

[swift bluff]

We’re talking Rank1 rogue

[balmy condor]

there's a build that doesn't take improved garrote and it's a bit cancer to play

and also giga shit if you're just doing like 15's or something

just absolutely no point

[finite cliff]

you mean this ?

[balmy condor]

ye

[finite cliff]

why do you think its giga shit on 15s or so?

[thorn thorn]

KB

[balmy condor]

things don't get chained enough

stuff dies too fast

you're not bricking keys cause bosses take too long, etc etc

[finite cliff]

ahh ok, overall hybrid 2 vanish build can be played in every key with no big dmg fuckups right? (15+)

[balmy condor]

I guess you could if you wanted to

[finite cliff]

what build do you rec the most?

bleed?

[balmy condor]

yeh

the rule is basically just if you have to ask and don't understand why things like the above build exist, you play bleed

[finite cliff]

thats pretty easy xD

[balmy condor]

not trying to be elitist or anything, it's just a natural byproduct of pushing that high

like at some point you just push high enough and understand the problems and pitfalls of things cause you've run them a bajillionity times

and at that point you don't need my ass anymore

[thorn thorn]

But Whispyr

[finite cliff]

XD

[halcyon grail]

https://tenor.com/view/mighty-need-invader-zim-shouting-screaming-scared-gif-17581419

[thorn thorn]

Without you who will explain that main target shiv doesnt increase spatter damage

[balmy condor]

I was very close to just adding a giant ass table to the wowhead guide explaining each and every interaction

but I composed myself

[thorn thorn]

Ngl that would be lit

[thorn thorn]

Can we get this emoji

[drifting cloud]

if you add it now you can update it next week for new ilvls

[bronze pike]

no balls

[balmy condor]

jokes on you, I'm writing corruption guide atm, I'm already suicidal

I will jump off this bridge if you try to stop me

[drifting cloud]

so you wont jump if I dont try to stop you

[balmy condor]

well

more accurate to say I'm jumping regardless

[drifting cloud]

this is quite an ethical conundrum

[vital haven]

potentially dumb question inc

[balmy condor]

[vital haven]

say you wanted to funnel to a boss and you have 5 shitter mobs right, you wanna keep the mobs alive as long as possible, would the play be not to activate caustic?

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

why are you the way you are nairda

[vital haven]

thats tells me all i need to know

[pliant remnant]

[vital haven]

just born this way

[balmy condor]

now I need to go check for my own morbid curiosity

fuck yhou

[inland dirge]

[vital haven]

i mean im like surely singular focus wins right

idk i was just thinking about it

[balmy condor]

the problem is that there is definitely a breakpoint

it just depends how much longer the adds are living

[vital haven]

like because

[drifting cloud]

based question

[balmy condor]

I guess I could just use a dungeonroute pack

[vital haven]

last boss of rookery, grps have started to pull the shitter mob pack into the boss for rogue prio dam and more boss dam

so im like

could you just rupture them and keep thjem alive as long as possible

[balmy condor]

whats that one webpage that you can look up health in

keystone guru?

yah okay this works

just the top right pack?

or the bottom right

I guess for the thought experiment it doesn't matter

I'm just doing the top right

[vital haven]

top right

[balmy condor]

for the record I hate this a lot

[vital haven]

lmao

[balmy condor]

the boss doesn't sim properly cause of the fucking bullshit stupid shit

god damnit

I'm just giving it like 5x the health

[vivid mulch]

"fucking bullshit stupid shit"

lmfao

[drifting cloud]

I dunno I thought about it for 5s and feelcraft says

its worth

[vital haven]

thats what im saying

[balmy condor]

yes thank you ryler that's what my feelcraft says too and I hate it

I wouldn't be entertaining this otherwise

[vital haven]

surely if you can keep them alive the entire way it has to be worth

[balmy condor]

its not a raid build ignore that

but

problem is that I can't actually get the prio damage properly so I have to resim with an estimate which requires building yet another fight

this sucks so bad

[drifting cloud]

nairda ok new tech

you spec IB before last boss like how some rogues go sub

[grim jay]

Powerful

[vital haven]

also would you use CT or not

[balmy condor]

okay it's not a gain

thank god

pfew

[vital haven]

dammit

oh well

thanks for checking

[balmy condor]

it gets

way too close

[drifting cloud]

blindside diff

[wise plume]

last boss of rook pisses me off so bad

[drifting cloud]

what if you cook a new build for last boss

swap 3 talents around

[wise plume]

so tanky and for what

[coral ibex]

fr i hate that boss

[final star]

[royal lantern]

the build is called "respec sub quickly"

[vast shuttle]

worth making an alt rogue? my rogue has 669 gear my first season so spended the crests bad

[somber sparrow]

wait for the legion remix to make an alt rogue or two and they'll transfer over eventually to the regular game

[vast shuttle]

sry wdym by this?

[coral ibex]

i mean timewalking is next week

just make an alt next week

[somber sparrow]

that's true

[vast shuttle]

mmm okay

[rocky sluice]

anyone have that simc string that I can use that shows all crafted gear in my top gear choices

[scarlet orbit]

#tc-research message

[rocky sluice]

tysm!

[inland escarp]

Crests are literally uncapped next week

[runic hinge]

Do I make a third rogue for legion remix

[vast shuttle]

whaaat

why do they even keep them capped them?

then*

[inland escarp]

Ask blizz

Maybe to reward people who spend them wisely 💀

[vast shuttle]

bruh

[marble hemlock]

so youre capped by valorpoints instead and have to do dogshit content to farm those

(no one knows why valorpoints still exist)

[coral ibex]

because historically wow players wanted the never-ending treadmill to slow down somewhat

[inland escarp]

I didn’t run into any problems with valor points this season

[coral ibex]

you used to just be able to infinitely farm power

[inland escarp]

Which is weird because last season they were a plague

[coral ibex]

and so people felt obligated to be always logged in

[marble hemlock]

missing my point

[coral ibex]

now you hit your weekly cap and ur good

[marble hemlock]

when you already have a weekly-limited resource in crests early on

why the fuck do valorpoints need to exist

[inland escarp]

I don’t really notice them

[coral ibex]

because low tier gear uses only valorstones to level them up

[inland escarp]

And obv to slow down those guys upgrading adventurer gear’

[marble hemlock]

people who wanna gear alts or dont do all the weekly content or daily content all the fucking time definitely do

[coral ibex]

there has to be a currency for that gear

[marble hemlock]

theres doesnt "have" to be a currency for that gear

[coral ibex]

would it just upgrade for free then?

[marble hemlock]

thats literally what whelpling crests are for

[coral ibex]

or always drop max?

[marble hemlock]

is it not?

or whatever the fuck theyre called now

[inland escarp]

Just drop whatever the weathered crest gear is

[marble hemlock]

weathered, ye

use those

idk

valorpoints suck

and are pointless

[radiant raven]

Busywork stones

[inland escarp]

Or maybe them always war bound at least

They just want the world to feel alive’

[marble hemlock]

maybe make a world that people wanna engage with then other than carrot and stick rewards

[inland escarp]

Imagine this, you’re out doing your weeklies - and you run into the bfa legend seliathan!!

[coral ibex]

but people want carrot and stick rewards

[inland escarp]

😮

[marble hemlock]

people just want rewards, they dont care how they get them

or rather, they want rewarding experiences

you can provide them in other ways than actual rewards

[mystic cave]

Ive been trying the Shiv macro with castsequence, for some reason its just not casting my Thistle Tea, would there be any reason for it not to work?

[marble hemlock]

videogames are still an artform thats supposed to evoke emotions. theres more emotions to evoke than dopamine. but most games fail tremendously at that.

[haughty flicker]

make sure you dont have any of the old thistle tea item in your bags or bank

it fucks with the macro

[haughty flicker]

wow peaked in shadowlands, the maw was great at evoking emotions other than dopamine

[marble hemlock]

real

[mystic cave]

Hmm might have to check that - recently leveld the rogue it was from back in Draenor era xD

[marble hemlock]

glad jeff hamilton is back with blizzard, really looking forward how he can top the maw, conduit energy, and shards of domination

[blazing kayak]

if ilvl of gear is being increased, does that mean were gonna replace circlet ring? Or will that be increased in ilvl too

[mystic cave]

Yep Thistle Tea's in bank

[young pebble]

When playing bleed build in M+, particularly on single target fights, is it normal to feel like you're just pooling energy to stay above 50% for sanguine blades? As in, is it normal to feel like I'm pressing fewer buttons?

[coral ibex]

pooling for sanguine is the 2nd lowest priority action in ST with bleed build

iirc

[subtle cedar]

Hi, when running M+ dungeons when would you say its most appropriate to rupture snipe without losing out on dps particularly with hybrid x2 vanish build? want to maintain dmg but struggle to know if im spreading too much rupture instead of just pumping w envenoms

[coral ibex]

you only need 5 ruptures out with hybrid

in aoe you should basically have infinite energy anyway

rupture sniping shouldnt be as relevant

[subtle cedar]

would you say just getting more ruptures in would result in more dmg? assuming i have all my other dots up

i mean envenoms*

[wooden timber]

with hybrid i should still be pooling for envenom uptime / chaining envenoms right

unless its ttk build

[river canyon]

how does shadowmeld work in M+ for a rogue?

[vast shuttle]

do u awlays want to stay above 50% energie or is this just dor deathmark rot?

[runic hinge]

Sometimes. But never on bosses

You have to use meld to drop combat and then stealth. It doesn’t put you into stealth on its own

You can use a macro to cast one then the other

But it’s probably a 50/50 shot it works at all

[vestal cliff]

Do you guys think we can solo the corrupted Visions when they come out?
Rogue feels so squishy in solo content to me

[shy creek]

Yeah legit feelycraft

Sometimes it do sometimes it don't

I'm pretty sure it also has a range detection rule, if ur tank is running away with one mob and u hit shadowmeld it'll work if ur far enough from the mob

[maiden sierra]

when delve belt guide

[balmy condor]

[hidden bay]

yea very annoying that our guide guy didnt log to PTR yet to test everything

pathetic

[maiden sierra]

fr

washed

[tall atlas]

wtf is a delve belt

[balmy condor]

I did log ptr actually and I looked at it for 3 seconds and went “man I really don’t care”

And then logged out

[buoyant herald]

From my napkin math a 684 ring will have a tiny bit more total stats than circlet, but it’s definitely a sim yourself angle

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/recovering-grip-on-reality-cat-cat-inspection-gif-26954108

im trying to cope that it wont be bis

so i dont have to do a delve

(ive not done a single delve since week 2 of the expansion)

[polar crater]

What is the best build for mythic dungeon crawling?

[coral ibex]

go to wowhead.com and read the guide

you'll find out

[maiden sierra]

its the crab build

its awlays the crab build

[thorn thorn]

Do you ever

[haughty flicker]

feel like a plastic bag

[coral ibex]

drifting through the wind wanting to start again

[balmy condor]

I just feel like shit generally

I mean uh

AFTER A HURRICANE COMES A RAINBOW

[coral ibex]

you just gotta ignite the light and let it shine

just own the night like the 4th of july

u feel me

[thorn thorn]

Do you ever see a question and you wish you could just telepathically give them the answer

Because typing it out is a waste

[haughty flicker]

answers telepathically

[thorn thorn]

True true

I agree

[balmy condor]

no but I do see questions and wonder how people managed to find a class discord, formulated their question, didn't think about possibly being the millionth person to ask the same question, and then also found the confidence to go "yeah.... I'm sure" before hitting enter

there's like

[inland dirge]

should i swap to rik barrels

[balmy condor]

so many layers you have to break through

[coral ibex]

if you think about it, its kinda all our fault because if we weren't shitposting all the time, they'd just see the same questions getting asked and then answered

[thorn thorn]

When do I use Tea? Should I swap to rik barrels? How do I take IW? Should I play Bleed in M+? Does Shiv on main improve spatter damage? What target count do we use CT? Do we have to pool?

Yep, I relate to that

[coral ibex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[inland dirge]

okay but what if the dagger is in the barrels and i haven't looted it because i'm not hard swapping to them

what about that, huh

[balmy condor]

• first you had to have not consumed guide content
• then you had to think to ask other people instead of going "this is probably in a guide
• then you had to have found the class discord at some point without thinking about the above two
• then you had to open the channel, type out the question, read it in your head, and still not make a connection

like there are

multiple points of failure

fuck, you could use the discord search even

[coral ibex]

discord search

[balmy condor]

and most of the time its even in the pins, and those don't get checked either

it's literally anywhere you could stick your nose

[haughty flicker]

i dont stick my nose places

[balmy condor]

we know, mr bitchless

[inland dirge]

coward

[haughty flicker]

uncalled for but ok

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/baseball-fail-slide-gif-8578769

[frank trench]

Literally every one of the three builds on wowhead and the one build that’s not on wowhead all will work

[balmy condor]

which one isn't on wowhead

[hidden bay]

how about you stick your nose up your dagger @inland dirge

[thorn thorn]

How about you stick your nose near a mind goblin

[inland dirge]

i will just for you

once i have one

so, never

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/penis-goblin-stealing-penis-goblin-gif-26157191

[frozen glacier]

whispyr you ever get your internet fixed?

[balmy condor]

in june apparently according to comcast

[thorn thorn]

Mind Goblins are Goblin Shadow priests

I spread wisdom

[haughty flicker]

its a crime there isnt a mind goblin boss this raid

[thorn thorn]

Very true

Stix is a Mind Goblin

A goblin that makes me lose my mind

[frank trench]

I like to leave everything open to a margin of error

[haughty flicker]

my no dm build isnt on wowhead

for some reason

[balmy condor]

strange

[thorn thorn]

Jail

[viscid spear]

Penar explosion chamber

[haughty flicker]

i should call her

[stable cove]

i was watching a woxtoxic +20 on bleed build, in st with no procs and low energy he uses fan as a cp builder...is this something i should be doing?

[balmy condor]

no

[stable cove]

ok i thought not

i was like what am i missing here lol

[balmy condor]

are you sure he's not just using fok for clear the witnesses

[stable cove]

yeah

thats why i was confused

maybe he just does it every now and then just cuz

we all have some small bad habits ig

[ashen totem]

ya some people just fok for the vibes

[lunar pond]

welcome to humanity

[runic hinge]

I Fok for the vibes sometimes

It’s really cause I already cleared the witnesses and I’m pressing it again

Or I forget if it procs when I get darkest night or when I apply mark so I just fan both times to be safe

Yes I’m tracking it. Yes I’m stupid

[thorn thorn]

I just press buttons

[sullen hollow]

afaik you only use fok on st in lingering now right

thats the only time i do atleast

[balmy condor]

the conversation was regarding m+

[thorn thorn]

Legion Remix guide when

[balmy condor]

after the insane debacle of mop remix

probably not

[runic hinge]

Which m+ build should I use for my legion remix keys

[balmy condor]

I been pugging my push keys on the legion remix PTR and these tanks won't let me restealth

[runic hinge]

Just like live when quake says he’s gonna terrorize me and always drags 1 5% hp mob

[ashen totem]

make a macro to let them know about how unpleasant it is

[visual sun]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[haughty flicker]

but think of all the ad revenue

[frank trench]

Hey guys we are doing heroic raid tonight and I can’t figure out how to up my damage on Rik any suggestions.

I do appreciate the lvl of crap posting vs help here. After you take a beating every single me helps. Vs like going on beater discord where there are just gifs of a guy in a penis costume riding a bike 24/7 cause rotation is brain damaged

Man I’m drunk sorry that was unreadable

[thorn thorn]

But there is M+ this time why not

Maybe wowhead makes you do it anyway

[cerulean walrus]

Huh?

[vital ember]

There a deathstalker mark tracker? little purple glow is ehh

[hidden bay]

time for legion remix

time to create a dh ofc

👍

momentum throw glaive 👍

[humble verge]

SHOULD I RUPTURE MORE THAN 5 TIMES MR WHISPYR, I THINK I WILL DO MORE DAMAGE IF I HAVE 100000000 RUPTURE DOTS ON ALL THE MOBS IN THE DUNGEON

[balmy condor]

not after mop

[thorn thorn]

Why was it that much of a mess

[humble verge]

damn

ignored my obvious ragebait as usual

@balmy condor did u guys actually kill bandit

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

my goat

[frank trench]

lol hey after that rupture convo I upped my dps like 2 million on pulls that was a good learning experience for me

I read I just have a hard time retaining

[humble verge]

yeah, just spamming dots aint gonna do you good :D

well, 2 nuclear powers might actually clash this year

[thorn thorn]

Cauldron about to get spicy

[humble verge]

wdym

[thorn thorn]

Cauldron does have 2 powers that clash

And now they about to go nuclear

crazy work

[humble verge]

AINT NO WAY

[thorn thorn]

Yes way

You saw it first brother tf

[coral ibex]

💀

[thorn thorn]

Are you a liar

[coral ibex]

bruh

which one is torq and which is flarendo

[thorn thorn]

Whichever you want them to be

[fallow canopy]

funny you ask

[spice surge]

If that is on carnage

[fallow canopy]

no just a random snapshot of mug'zee

[spice surge]

Ok good, because a destro lock not being first on cauldron would be incredibly sus

[thorn thorn]

[winged sun]

[thorn thorn]

What soup do you sell

[misty holly]

Should we be switching embelishment slot away from belt with our recrafts next week due to the DISC coming in .7?

[winged sun]

cat soup

[thorn thorn]

Do you have chicken noodle

[winged sun]

unfortunately we only provide cat soups for now

we will bring up an upddate later to support other animals

being soup'ed in a soup

i call it meow soup

yooo thats some ass dam cuh

all the dk's with infinite pi's

[thorn thorn]

You also beat hopeful with his infinite pi's

Massive

[winged sun]

ye well sin is stronger than mage

it just doesnt have any util/no lust

sin has the best dmg profile in the game atm for sure

for high keys that is

its just EXTREMELY squishy

its crazy

i have to swap to sub for 3rd boss DFC because of how bad it is

[thorn thorn]

wtf

Do sub really make that much of a difference

[winged sun]

sub has fazed + the 10% dr talent when u enter dance

and higher vers ish

and u got a vanish which heals 30% of ur hp which is quite good and easier to press on sub

[dapper cradle]

Plus you get the finisher shield + heal as sub

[winged sun]

than sin

yeah ur basically healing alot during cds

so it is a defensive too to press ur offensive cds

[slim copper]

sup boyos missed yall been out of country for work for a few weeks.

[thorn thorn]

Interesting

[lunar flame]

whats with the back to back ruptures out of stealth? zero consistenly does it

[balmy condor]

Yeh, that

[runic hinge]

Bis talent tbh. No bias

[lunar flame]

Gotcha, makes sense and reason for no garrote? or will he be energy gaturated by those 3 ruptures in IC?

so he just opens with Rupture instead of using garrote because of that bone spike?

well ambush then rupture, instead of ambush - garrote - rupture

[runic hinge]

2 rupture casts is 5 ruptures in ic unless he mouse overs something else in which case is 6 but that should be plenty for energy

He has zero garrote talents so he doesn’t usually cast it I don’t think

Yeah he mouseovers there as one is on a harvester as the next on a bee

[lunar flame]

i use hekili a lot, i know this isnt the discord but any idea of the sim/hekili reflects his build?

[runic hinge]

Maybe. But his build is generally only good for really high keys 18+ and requires more knowledge than following the rotation helper

[lunar flame]

or his his niche (i see higher key players going towards it more) due to high pull count

understood, it does seem reletively simple tho. easier to focus on spamming envenom in my opinion

[runic hinge]

Things have to live your full dm and kb and you’re using spatter and envenom for damage and generally things won’t

Idk bleed build is so simple. Spread bleed in ic and then keep ct up

Much easier to not have to worry about kb and shiv timings imo

[lunar flame]

i think its just annoying cause my plater sucks lol hard to see for mouseover

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Try one of those two at the bottom

Also mouse over isn’t required

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[lunar flame]

yaaa that makes sense

[cloud basin]

Tbh rotation helper in m+ is more if a "hey you could do this" since its pulling from sims and dungeons can vary from person to person and group to group

[lunar flame]

ya typically when learning new classes i'll use it then i transition off

but i saw such a large discrepancy when using his talents

made me question life choices

[cloud basin]

Yeah i dont knock the rotation helper as I generally leave mine up to know when to refresh bleeds😂. Its just easier than doing a WA for that since its just a small Lil icon on my screen

[lunar flame]

so it does look like he will garrote prio targets

[waxen oyster]

If you're new

Do not play that build

[lunar flame]

question, regardless his build or bleed build, if you have serrated bone spikes its wise to double send rupture after ambush?

[inland escarp]

There’s a rotation section of the wowhead guide that’s super helpful

[pliant remnant]

...yes, it is wise to double send Rupture in AoE, 'cause you want Scent of Blood stacks maxed

[balmy condor]

I don’t believe you

Talents having value is so 2024

[austere willow]

hey guys what talents do you use for myth fights? raid council over st w cleave

[buoyant herald]

there's a pretty standardised raid build

with just one swap if you're doing pure ST

which is the one all the guides will have

[thorn thorn]

2020

Imagine decisions mattering

In 2025

[dapper cradle]

ross has some crazy cooks for his build

idk how sound his APL work was

but i guess it's a gain for him to just not garrote or rup spread too much with his build in his keys

he just get scent stacks and then caustic/envenom games

he's literally like the only rogue doing that tho

[buoyant herald]

assuming hes also just carrying CPs into next pulls to open with rupture, but eyeball test says it makes sense if you're not taking any garotte talents

[earnest remnant]

@balmy condor ive achieved peak

[keen spruce]

[fast phoenix]

furry convention

[runic hinge]

Always has been

[balmy condor]

At most 5 recently applied visuals can retain here. You can select one and delete it by clicking the remove button on the right end.```

[glad osprey]

hello rogues

I have betrayed you all and have been living the feral Druid life

how much has sin rogue changed since last season ?

[runic hinge]

[brave comet]

it needs buffs

[balmy condor]

simpler than ever, balance wise basically the same, maybe even stronger than s1

[glad osprey]

I play feral Druid it in fact does not need buffs LOL

Feral Druid however 😭 😭

[balmy condor]

yah assa is cranking

it's like top 5 across every boss in raid, insane value on last 3 in mythic

[glad osprey]

It’s why I’m thinking of getting back into the rogue grind

[inland escarp]

Cranking but not fotm is such a sweet spot

[brave comet]

feral got massive buffs this patch

[glad osprey]

None

[balmy condor]

one of the best non-godgroup m+ specs

assa crazy good

[glad osprey]

There was only supposed to be a 3% and that didn’t even get added

[balmy condor]

and very easy

[glad osprey]

Nice!

[brave comet]

well it kinda rose up the tier list anyway, weird.

i guess it didnt need buffing

[glad osprey]

look at it in raid and you’ll see the problems

we’re just above Aug :p

with a massive skill floor

[brave comet]

sub is above aug i believe

[glad osprey]

yeah it’s sitting around where sub is

[brave comet]

v

sorry, you gotta wait up babe

when they buff sub, they'll get to you

[glad osprey]

Is this heroic ?

we’re doing okay in heroic atm

Let me find the chart I was looking at last week

[brave comet]

no mythic

who counts heroic anyway

[strange python]

The chart that got posted is from this week mythic 99th percentile

[brave comet]

they really did subtlety dirty by nerfing them back to back to back to back

just cause it was "overperforming" in week 1, that was gross

[verbal stirrup]

that's a ridiculously small sample size

even for the most played specs, that gets u a sample size of less than 5 for each spec

on end boss

[runic hinge]

And only looking at the smallest sample size of the very top players and not accounting for specs strengths and weaknesses from encounter design is surely a great way to compare them.

[verbal stirrup]

well encounter design is not a variable you just get rid of, if the raid design is good for a spec it means the spec is good

but its silly to crank it to 99 and for 1 week only when we have multiple weeks in the partition and not many guilds full reclearing

[runic hinge]

I mean moonkin on sprocket and stix are gonna look like 2 different specs.

[verbal stirrup]

well it's ironic you say that because sprocket is actually a perfectly ok boss for moonkin

there are only a few specs that have outlier bosses, and with 8 bosses, it doesnt make a large difference when looking at all boss

shadow priest and destro on bosses like coc, one arm, mugzee are going to have a bigger outlier than moonkin on stix

its just not that big of a deal

thats all

[runic hinge]

I mean I kinda agree but cranking the sample size to tiny and squishing all boss encounters into one bar isn’t completely indicative of spec strength

[verbal stirrup]

but realistically you could probably ignore all bosses except one arm, sprocket and gally and balance exclusively around those and you'd get a pretty decent spread of dmg profiles

[verbal stirrup]

yeah i already said thats dumb

someone just thought 99 = bestest and didnt use any brain power past that

is what it is

[strange python]

Okay Go 95th percentile

Tell me it looks different

[verbal stirrup]

did u read anything anyone just said

[runic hinge]

I still think that sample size is too small for what blizz balances for

[verbal stirrup]

showed instantly u didnt absorb any of the points

[strange python]

Im answering to what you tagged me in, not the rest

[verbal stirrup]

yes ur smart

all good

[strange python]

Yeah paper I am sure subtlety is in a good spot

Bruv

[verbal stirrup]

yes that's exactly what i said

[strange python]

I mean you answered to something that never stated anything else in the first place

All my message said was

„This chart is x“

[verbal stirrup]

and i said

that chart is bad

u are not doing urself any favours here

just stop

[strange python]

XD

Surely ima stop talking because paper says so

Glad ur here bro

Still don’t get what you want, I said chart is X nothing more

And while wclogs statistics page is a very tough chart to make statements from you can definitely see clear outliers from it

[runic hinge]

I think a problem is wowhead posting 95% mythic as if that’s what blizz balances for. People have the expectation that blizz balances for the chart getting posted every week and not their own goals

[coral ibex]

yea nerf outlaw, fuck those guys

broken ass spec

hammer down the outliers on the chart

[runic hinge]

True

[strange python]

Outlaw does pump on stix idk what’s wrong about that chart

[verbal stirrup]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[strange python]

Are you dense

It does pump on stix bruh

[verbal stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/no-idea-jurassic-park-ellie-gif-19249741

[coral ibex]

ive never seen such a powerful woosh

wow

amazing

[rotund oak]

ρ=M/V

😂

[strange python]

I mean guys

You posted a stix specific chart

Where outlaw pumps

I said outlaw pumps on stix

[verbal stirrup]

this is why i said immediately to u

u didnt read

all the posts

[strange python]

Tell me what’s wrong about the statement

[verbal stirrup]

go back and read

[strange python]

Brother

[verbal stirrup]

u might get it

[strange python]

No

[verbal stirrup]

ok

[strange python]

I said

[verbal stirrup]

well u can keep embarrasing urself then

[strange python]

Outlaw pumps on stix

[verbal stirrup]

lmao

[strange python]

Very embarrassing

[coral ibex]

[strange python]

Oh no I just realized who you are

Nahhh bruh can’t believe i didn’t get that in the first place

[rotund oak]

did u know that density is expressed in unit of grams per cubic centimeters?

[verbal stirrup]

CHAMA

[balmy condor]

tf happened in here

[rotund oak]

good morning 🫶

[wise plume]

re-rolling to outlaw

[runic hinge]

Data analysts

[dawn heath]

do we do it?

[vast isle]

Can you use two crafted Everforged Stabbers?

[runic hinge]

you can but offhand is worth the least dps out of any slot you could craft

[balmy condor]

yeh if you have literally nothing else to do with your crests and you have sparks left over then go for it

but actually EVERYTHING else would be a better use of resources

[harsh ravine]

Hi, how does AP scales on assa ? Does envenom have an AP ratio ?

[balmy condor]

AP meaning what, attack power?

arterial precision?

amplifying poison?

[vestal cliff]

apple pie?

[balmy condor]

mmmm apple pie

[vestal cliff]

yuuumsies

[grim jay]

AP is what im about to do with you after our dinnerdate

Wait what

[balmy condor]

[prisma coral]

corruptions 2.0 seems like a weird carrot to the stick of visions. like, that system was fucking wild but the best part was finding a balence with it.

and by balence i mean not killing yourself from the curse that came with the kiss

[cerulean walrus]

[runic hinge]

[static glacier]

have you ever played trickster outlaw 🙂

[prisma coral]

far too much

far far too much

and i said that the curse had a kiss, KS is only a curse

[pliant remnant]

[nocturne gust]

Heya guys, sorry i am super new to wow, been playing for like nearly 2 months but got sub 1 week in game time, ive been running raid tree in all my mythics, and doing average to good, but as i get up to anything past 11, my dps is starting to linger, i really wanna try a Mythic tree, and learn the rotations but people are so divided in what to use and how, could i get any advice if possible, or like a 5 minute coach, this class is a struggle as a first time wow player but i also love it haha

[runic hinge]

Play bleed build

Ok I sleep

[static glacier]

the big difference between raid and m+ builds is that m+ runs indiscriminate carnage

you just prio spreading garrotes and 5ish ruptures for hybrid / ruptures on all long lived targets for bleed

while its up

otherwise it plays pretty much the same as raid

bleed st is maintain dn env > rupture > ct > env in st for finisher prio st

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793 whispyrs video guides are quite helpful

[nocturne gust]

thank u i will watch it

what 4 poisons do u use in m+

[static glacier]

@balmy condor I beg you make 4-5min rotation guides that we can send to people not prepared for an academic lecture

[prisma coral]

hahah i deleted like 5 different responses

with you

[static glacier]

if running hybrid it will be amp and deadly

the non lethal ones are personal preference

[hardy dawn]

Hello ppl, how much do you sim single target?

[balmy condor]

ya good idea

[nocturne gust]

the most common tree from archon has only got 5 poisons and neither are in it 😢 haha

[static glacier]

litterally just barebones what you do and the very basics of why

"we press ct as high prio because it does a lot of damage, but we dont press it before pack is gathered due to its increased damage per target up to 5 and because it hits all targets"

[static glacier]

keep up the good work btw

[harsh ravine]

Yes

[warm vortex]

I think assassination should be able to swords
Just a bigger dagger, equal stab

[static glacier]

you can sim the different weapon buff items

[harsh ravine]

Mmmh I can sim the war buff only as well, good idea

[static glacier]

lowkey maybe I offer wow coaching for gold xd

[balmy condor]

yes of course it's AP

everything that does damage is AP based

that's just how ability math works

[static glacier]

@nocturne gust if you're eu and prepared to pay a modest fee I can offer one on one coaching over discord and follow up help over the coming weeks

[prisma coral]

If you step aside for a sec and consider a newer player, like AP doesnt really come up very often in how they present the game

oddly

[balmy condor]

it also just doesn't matter though

[harsh ravine]

So war buffs affect everything that deals damages ? Even mage's spells ? 😮

[prisma coral]

agree

[balmy condor]

like it's not important to understand

[prisma coral]

agree

[balmy condor]

war buff affects all your damage

mage buff affects spell power

which is not you

but like all the healers and wizard specs

boomkin and ele sham and all that

agi/strength is attack power, int is spell power

[harsh ravine]

Okok ty I thought it was mostly physical & meles only that were affected by ap

[balmy condor]

yeh

the other keyword thing is "magic" and "physical"

very easy to see from warcraftlogs or details at a glance

anything that is not that beige color used by garrote/melee

is magic damage

some of them are mixed cause of dropdowns

[harsh ravine]

yess that I know, it's mostly about how attack power affected rogue damages that I was curious of

[balmy condor]

so like corrupt the blood? magic damage, demon hunter debuff, rupture itself is physical, monk debuff

yeh, just completeness

[harsh ravine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ue1tAwn2VUUpMt8XpGHLa
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dA1yaZ4Qnj65PEvZosSu9c
I learnt something today, nice ty

[prisma coral]

kinda surprising bliz didnt make bone spike necrotic damage for like the 1 lore person dispite the 10 other people who were like wait what

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

necrotic damage also uh

isn't a thing?

[winged sun]

Good morning ass people

[balmy condor]

could've made it plague I guess but would've been a little strange with multipliers

[solar wyvern]

Good morning (night) ass man

[dense shadow]

i have a catalyst question (ive never used it before )

if i do this , is it still a pvp item or now full pve ?

and should i do it lol

[balmy condor]

it still has this line

so you're good

tier bonuses are good

probably want to do it

[dense shadow]

so it become a universal item ?
thats cool

[balmy condor]

you have 5 charges so I don't really see a reason why not

I mean it's already universal

the item level is just higher in pvp

pvp gear these days gets an ilvl bump

pve gear is still jsut better in pve

[dense shadow]

ill do it ,maybe not on the chest tho as the dungeon one is bis over that

[spare kayak]

if you're looking to play pve and pvp, I'd suggest catalysing pve items with higher pve item level for your set bonus, then making them viable in pvp with the conquest item that adds the increased pvp item level on them

that way you can make, for example, hero track pve items viable in pvp (if you dont have mythic track items)

[dense shadow]

interesting

[radiant kettle]

If I send a kidney shot with Supercharged Combo points, does the duration last longer than the 7 Combo Point duration?

[normal mist]

i dont think so

[balmy condor]

no, supercharger specifies "damaging finishing moves"

and kidney shot does not do damage

[radiant kettle]

Ah, this makes sense, thank you.

[violet hemlock]

IB

[balmy condor]

what about IB

[violet hemlock]

Didnt it make kidney bleed em

[balmy condor]

yes but that's not kidney shot doing damage, that's internal bleeding doing damage

[normal mist]

the ability itself isnt a damaging finisher

[balmy condor]

it doesn't just magically change what kidney shot does

it just puts something on top

[radiant kettle]

Thank you for the work you do for the rogue community, @balmy condor I've commented this on your stream before but I am a assassination rogue bc of you. I look forward to more of your content.

[balmy condor]

Glad to hear it man

Thank you

[jagged violet]

Which dungeons would it be better to play hybrid x2 vanish over bleedbuild in a phys comp? Is there any data on this?

[balmy condor]

probably none

[buoyant herald]

Phys comp probably irrelevant but maybe ToP if anything.

Doubt enough people do it for any data

It’s kinda play bleed until SC no garotte takes over in the higher keys

[balmy condor]

play bleed until you don't need to ask if you should play bleed

[buoyant herald]

I’m a huge fan of that answer

But people tend to react badly to “if you have to ask, don’t do it” for some reason

[jagged violet]

Yeah fair, tried hybrid force induction in 14 top but it bleed build just feels so good

[royal lantern]

cus it sounds kinda rude

[buoyant herald]

It is a bit snippy

Bleed is just super easy, only real downfall is bad ST and that’s not a real problem until probably higher than 14s

[hearty reef]

h-hows that work

[balmy condor]

well you see, if you have to ask if you should play bleed, you are not a strong enough player knowledge wise and extremely likely to also not be doing keys befitting of a level where you would be playing not bleed

[buoyant herald]

Kinda like asking how to turn a 747 on

If you have to ask

You shouldn’t be playing with those keys

[balmy condor]

yeah or it's like a teenager's first car being a maserati

slow down a bit there bud

[real pike]

I tried hybrid in a top the other day and it felt

Ehhhhh

Probably wasn't high enough level to feel the difference tho

[novel star]

!fan

fuck you.

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[subtle tundra]

fcuk 💦 legion 🍆 m+ 💦

[normal mist]

No you

[knotty nebula]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[burnt juniper]

dumb question, does the trick to meld mid combat and get IC again still work

in keys

[scarlet orbit]

Yea but meld is still pretty shitty and doesn not always work

[normal mist]

Meld -> stealth

Just need doesn't work

[burnt juniper]

yeah i saw it's finnicky

[burnt juniper]

cool i might just go nelf next reset

my main spec is sub but it's dead in raid anyways, literally the worst spec

[normal mist]

Going nelf just for that isn't worth it

Meld is better to just use to cancel casts than to maybe get a vanish

[distant heart]

8u=i9jh
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[red schooner]

You doing good there bud?

[royal lantern]

same

[balmy condor]

yeah?

[burnt juniper]

ahhh ok

[distant heart]

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[balmy condor]

tell me more

[red schooner]

damn this man is saying what i'm thinking

preach

[burnt juniper]

shhh he's trying to tell us something

let it out lil guy

[jaunty lotus]

The most coherent ai output

[royal lantern]

only 40liters of drink water boiled for this

[distant heart]

sry my child trying connect with aliens :p

[burnt juniper]

good comms 🙂

[little tulip]

fihs 🙂

[late gulch]

is eye of kezan mainly good for raids or m+ aswell?

[hidden bay]

M+ good aswell if your tank knows how to pull

Not those pulls where 5% is left of an mob and he pulls

Rather more healthy

Def play either HoC or Signet

And either Seaforium/mechano core/kezan

Obviously only if you have

[little tulip]

i have to lose 3k crit rating to use signet/mechano and and , it's so grif

stuck with champ track hoc lmao

[timber meadow]

is there some weakaura that can take specific timings for cd's and then flash on screen? like if i grab timings from lorggs

[scarlet orbit]

You can do that with mrt notes lorrgs even has a function to export the cd timeings as a note

[timber meadow]

oh nice - so do i just create a personal note?

[scarlet orbit]

Yea but if you also want that the symbols flash and not just in the note you can use a wa i think its called Kaze MRT timer or so

[late gulch]

what build is best in keys atm. is it bleed build?

[amber brook]

Is there something in rookery causing me to lose stealth at the corridor?

I keep seeing lightning spark out

[novel star]

!crests

or whatever

what was that command.

fucjk

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[novel star]

huge

[timber meadow]

hm i typed kaze into curseforge and nothin popped up

ohh it's a weakaura

sorry didn't see that in your response

is this the format that'll work for kaze?

i just directly copied from lorggs for now to get it to work - not sure if i need to edit at all

[fickle siren]

Its the feather buff you pick up when going down after the first boss

[zenith smelt]

If you have to chose to send Darkest night or reaply CT on Aoe what woud you send first? 🙂

[misty holly]

Has anyone tried Geargrinders Spare keys trinket? How annoying is it to aim.

[amber brook]

gotta rmb to remove it then, ty

[late gulch]

when using arterial twice in a big aoe group. does more debuffs go out or does the 7 curent targets just refresh?

[royal lantern]

arterial spreads kinda randomly

not following any real logic

[late gulch]

ok 🙂

any one mind explaining when to use bleed build rather then hybrid build in keys =)?

[hot flicker]

Bleed build is fine till higher keys people have mentioned like 15-17s but idk never not used bleed as of yet

[scenic kraken]

How many targets do you bleed before you roll into splatter?

[late gulch]

I see thanks 🙂

[lyric gate]

stop coping

there is no higher keys as roghue

just reroll aug

[late gulch]

Bleed build use CT in st right?

[lyric gate]

y

[late gulch]

cool

[lyric gate]

according to new rotation helper showcase also poisoned knife as builder

[west crown]

minimum 5 for stacks, or a couple more on targets that you feel like will live long enough for it to matter

[normal mist]

[winged sun]

[humble verge]

zero where is ur 20

[pliant remnant]

fr fr

Washed up

[warm patio]

how do they keep from running out of energy on bosses? how do they manage their energy?

[stone eagle]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[gusty mirage]

I mean it’s not wrong technically, but so is cheap shot

[zenith smelt]

What is the best comp to play for Rogues in mytic+? i feel like so manny other clases burst prio so hard i cant even start doing proper damage before its dead.

[red schooner]

What key level are you doing?

[zenith smelt]

13-14s

[heavy jolt]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[spice spire]

It does not matter then

Ideally you want buffs so shaman Druid monk warrior

But it does not matter

[marble gorge]

With bleed build i ST - do we stay above 50% energy for sanguine blades (while maintaining dots ofcourse) or do we spend the 50% on envenoms?

[golden loom]

well you maintain dots and need to spend darkest nights and u also kinda pump during shivs, but when u have nothing to do you pool over 50%, which ends up being like 20%? of the fight at most

[marble gorge]

Okay thanks 👍

[lyric gate]

zercool doing weeklys at mdi

[real pike]

So during shivs I should be spamming my shit, all the teas, starcraft level apm?

[golden loom]

idk just click stuff it aint that deep

[lyric gate]

just spam poisoned knife

[shy creek]

Starcraft level apm is wild on assa rogue

Play outlaw for that

Whispyr has a video talking about bleed build and how to play it in ST, recommend that

Its in pins

Will ahve more detail

[torpid sparrow]

interesting zero not playing circlet even only at 678 ilvl ring

[fathom minnow]

!sheets

[strange tundra]

ig the gems are better

they need to give us way to make it 670+

for the HP

we are missing 5k stamina

if it will be 678

[slate crown]

or better yet

[strange tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[subtle kiln]

You’re not deleting it. Just recycling it into a belt.

[lyric gate]

no chinese team at mdi this time

[rotund oak]

you are pure evil

[slate crown]

Maybe some day. But that day is not today.

[daring hamlet]

for rupture sniping - does it matter when we put rupture on the mob being sniped? like are we actively trying to put rupture on when the mob is as low a spossible or is it fine to just rupture the mob early

[normal mist]

"he's he gonna die soon? Yes? Rupture it"

[lyric gate]

put rupture on yourself

[subtle tundra]

?

[lyric gate]

you see one?

[subtle tundra]

you seen the grand final?

they have their own qualifiers like always

[lyric gate]

oh

[zenith smelt]

Is it wort sending 9 ish Ruptures before you send one CT as bleedbuild?

[buoyant herald]

Nah you want CT up asap, 9 ruptures maybe if they’ll all live the duration but also you’ll wanna get into CDs at some point so you don’t lose a bunch of MA uptime outside of CDs

[thin portal]

Hi sin

I will be learning sin starting today

[lyric gate]

.

[thin portal]

my name is ryukage

nice to meet you

[lyric gate]

did zercool convert you

[thorn thorn]

Fuck the cyrclet

[winter wind]

Does this mean I ignore the staying above 50% energy talent ?

[plush depot]

!pin

[neat flame]

Possibly dumb question, in bleed build is it optimal to sit on shivs (outside of deathmark, or avoiding overcap) for execute phase for zoldyck synergy? vibes craft it seems to be beneficial on higher-ish keys where the sub 35% health phase can easily fit a shiv or two

[lyric gate]

what key level you doing

[neat flame]

currently working on 15s

[lyric gate]

well not the worst

stop overthinking start blasting

[neat flame]

🤔

[subtle tundra]

you can hold a charge, but you never hold 2

[neat flame]

yeah, i set that as a baseline in the parenthetical

avoid overcap

[buoyant herald]

Oh hi Ryukage

Shiv is ok at the start under MA as well, either on pull or during execute imo for track packs

[dim rover]

Hi guys where can I get good macros for assa ?

[thin portal]

Yeah I also want to make mouseover macros for bleeds

[dim rover]

If you found out please let me know too

[lavish geyser]

I havent seen this build yet. and was wondering, in m+ do you bother spreading garrote? Like using vanish to reapply

[thin portal]

I have some on my demonhunter I will try them on bleeds

Demonhunter also has ability that u want to cast on target and mouseover

Prob use same macro

[winged quail]

no shrouded suffocation, no improved garrote, fake spell

[lyric gate]

kek

myhic 0 build

[winged quail]

nah it's better in high keys

[lavish geyser]

yeah, kinda what figured.

[lyric gate]

well padder will do lot of dmg

[lavish geyser]

yeah you run it in high keys. I just didnt realise, but i tried and it feels nice. just didnt know if I care to reset garrote at all

[ashen totem]

you dont, you just send it on opener, keep on main target

[atomic otter]

Are we still going to be taking circlet after ilvl boost?

[lyric gate]

if you have myth track ring

no

[subtle tundra]

i have not played it but id only use it if i had DM

[lavish geyser]

gotcha, kind of what I have been doing

[lavish geyser]

ye

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt use it on opener either, its 1 cp spell

no thankies

[lavish geyser]

interesting.

[subtle tundra]

dont take my words as gospel

i dont play the game LOL

[scarlet orbit]

You probably could on low target cleave like 2-3 mobs to keep energy rolling quick maybe

[lavish geyser]

did you play last season? thought you were pretty high rated back then.

[subtle tundra]

i did but this build not

[ashen totem]

you do, you get energy and other tree synergies from having it up

[subtle tundra]

well i assumed we're talking about aoe

where energy is not a thing

[winged quail]

probably the only person who really knows the ins and outs of the build is Zeross, since he created the abomination

[subtle tundra]

cause obviously you use it in ST

[thorn thorn]

Are you in short term retirement

[subtle tundra]

hopefully forever term

[buoyant herald]

That high key build also takes dashing scoundrel which makes up for some energy loss from not garotting (if you even needed it)

[thin portal]

No I'm in a sexual assault by killingspree protection unit now. That's why I'm here.

I hope I'm safe from killingspree while here

Thanks guys

[hardy rapids]

killing spree cant hurt you here. youre safe <3

now you have to deal with caustic spatter and kings bane </3

[thin portal]

Ty ty omg the nightmare is over

[buoyant herald]

Killing spree can hurt anyone anywhere

It’ll just be someone else’s

[hardy rapids]

(I love caustic spatter and kingsbane but everyone else hates them)

[buoyant herald]

That’s a crazy take lol who hates them

[thin portal]

I'm familiar with them

[subtle tundra]

hi!

[thorn thorn]

I am a KB enjoyer

[subtle tundra]

im right here!

[hardy rapids]

if you spend time in this chat youll see a lot of spatter haters

[subtle tundra]

fuck caustic!

[buoyant herald]

Oh gosh what have I done

[hardy rapids]

yeah see

[sharp viper]

Killing Bree 🧀

[hardy rapids]

you just havent spent enough time in this chat

[buoyant herald]

Came out of the woodwork real fast

[thorn thorn]

We are like auto tea malders

Mention us once and we crawl out of every hole in the nearest surface

[subtle tundra]

bad change

[buoyant herald]

Surely people hate auto tea more

[thin portal]

Why do ppl not like caustic because u have to apply rupture maybe

[thorn thorn]

Cringe and unfun way of doing AOE

[subtle tundra]

cause i dont wanna be outlaw and blade flurry?

[hardy rapids]

Its a cool flavor but just not very creative

[buoyant herald]

You mean you don’t want to be sub and blade I mean nimble flurry

[hardy rapids]

nimble flurry is the lamest thing to happen to sub

its not even flavorful

[thorn thorn]

Wait what happened to black powder

And sectec

[buoyant herald]

I agree, very weird thing to do