assassination

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-mad-eat-paper-gif-16234892

[cursive mortar]

Got it, wasn’t trying to step on any toes. I totally missed that part of the guide, so that’s on me. I just made this for my own pulls because I tend to derp at the start and thought I’d share in case anyone else was in the same boat. Appreciate the work you do with the WA pack and the guide — I’ll be more mindful in the future.

[royal lantern]

he had a bad raid, dont worry

[gloomy heart]

our new pope

[humble verge]

@winged sun wox is back on outlaw

[frank trench]

Ok ok now I have to ask a dumb question when IC is running out I usually toss one last garotte out on the prio mob to refresh it and rec leave any late additions is that dumb?

[royal lantern]

eh, not as if a single gcd has big impact

like, if you would have used Mut/FoK instead, w/e, garrote is a generator aswell then

when will the bomb drop

[balmy condor]

Honestly it’s not even on you for the most part, waking up to that was the equivalent of stepping on a landmine that you probably had no idea was laid, but it’s been literally months of “anyone have zerocool Weakaura showing bleed on all target?” Or “anyone have Weakaura to show all target?” Or “how many bleed???” Over and over and over and over.

Meanwhile on the opposite end of the spectrum, I have zeross cooking builds that genuinely are good for his +18/19’s, but don’t have great support in sims cause I fucked it hard. And those don’t even take improved garrote, don’t spread garrotes in aoe, and only do the bare minimum for rupture/scent.

So on the one hand I got people clamoring for more bleed more bleed show me all the bleed make me wa for all the bleed, and I have to fend that off, and then on the other hand there’s “I saw high rank rogue on murlok.io not spread bleeds”, which I also gotta fend off cause the build won’t be useful for 99.9% of players and follows different logic towards aoe.

And you happened to show up right at that moment when the cannon was already loaded and stuck your head down the barrel, and I just exploded. I personally always need to just explode for a second to get it out, but it’s not fair to you and you don’t deserve it when you were genuinely trying to be helpful but just missing info. I’m genuinely sorry for unloading those weeks worth of rage onto you

[hidden bay]

@grok summarize that for me

[runic hinge]

Are you saying if I take internal bleed spreading rupture is better

Don’t answer that we’ve seen it

@spice spire

[spice surge]

They should buff internal bleeding so i can truly demisemaxx in keys

[hardy dawn]

guys how do u handle spatter with Gallywix adds? do you rupture one of them and start going with spatter or do u stay on boss and wait for adds to get close?

[runic hinge]

true

[spice surge]

Run out > rupture technician > run back to boss

[frank trench]

I slap a quick garotte and ruptures on anything I run by and hard focus gally

[hardy dawn]

Rupture+mutilate ofc?

[balmy condor]

Rupture for the energy

Assassination never cleave off of adds

Always the boss

[winged quail]

Assa dealing with ads = rupture for energy and hope you can cleave off boss

If it dies it dies

[wise plume]

I tried using zeros build on a +13 and it was confusing ngl

damage wasn’t bad, just the play style is much different

[spice surge]

Well if youre not at 5+ sure mutilate

But ye apply rupture to add, then spatter of boss

[frank trench]

lol I would never be able to use his build. It’s taken me 8 weeks just to get comfortable playing class. And just realizing my rupture tracker is why my dps has bricked

[hardy dawn]

ye fact my tanks keep adds away from the boss

so i cant properly spatter

fact is*

[spice surge]

Well then you wont be doing any add damage

Simple as that

[hardy dawn]

well then i can understand my green parses now

[clever sparrow]

next week is spark or token for set piece?

[hardy dawn]

on Gally

[frank trench]

I have my tank stand near circle and I tricks him and go bananas

[spice surge]

Idk no reason for them to be far away

[frank trench]

It seems to work well don’t want all bombs in narnia

[hardy dawn]

ik, i told them about that

[balmy condor]

To be fair, now that you’re aware of it, build should be better for you

It is very rough to play though

[hardy dawn]

also, anyone willing to check my log?

[wise plume]

post

[frank trench]

I like playing bleed way too much. I suppose at some point I should learn poison correctly for m+

My m+ group hates all the executes popping off they say it effs up their damage cooldowns lol and is jarring

[hardy dawn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b8RDcxVaTH9t62y7?fight=30&type=damage-done&source=25

[spice surge]

Thats the best bit though

[frank trench]

I watched Whispyrs video and have been really focusing on doing a full dam CT when all mobs low or prioing a big dam rupture for a kill. Or saving shiv till like 35-40%

[prisma carbon]

my group cries about it, but then suddenly im the hero when we're pulling architects in floodgate

[frank trench]

It gives me a really good feeling of control on some caster mobs 🙂 I know it’s all in my head but I really enjoy feeling like the little things I do help that added 5%

This is the first spec I have truly enjoyed and actually have tried to learn inside and out since shadowlands season 1. But that’s mostly because Whispyrs guide was so effing bonkers in its breakdowns.

[balmy condor]

tell em to git gud

[hidden bay]

Tell em they can suck a massive one

Acting like you execute any pack instantly as soon they reach 30%

[runic hinge]

i do when i save every vanish for execute

[ionic matrix]

didnt see anything about clear the witness in guide, so assuming thats not a thing for ST sin?

[runic hinge]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[ionic matrix]

thanks

[runic hinge]

np friendo

[static glacier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k5D1zzNXx18JUbHcCKXXum guys what do I do to make strapped rescue keg sim higher than Amulet of Earthen Craftsmanship

struggling out here

[fast phoenix]

my GL: "can you go sub for mythic rik"

lolol

[novel rivet]

Hey all, does anybody know of a plater profile they suggest for Assass?

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

^

[novel rivet]

oh thanks!

[pure moth]

Did you?

[lavish geyser]

do you guys play forced induction, in theatre?

[vast shuttle]

can u get jastor diamond in vault?

[normal mist]

yes

[vast shuttle]

damn 678 jastor wouldnt be wrong

[normal mist]

for the mythic version you need to kill mythic gally

[vast shuttle]

ahhh

[balmy condor]

????????

what kinda question is that lmao

[runic hinge]

good to know i'll get right on that

[buoyant herald]

Why do you want sims to tell you something different?

[normal mist]

yo tony

im hyped

[royal lantern]

i want my sim to tell me that im good enough

[runic hinge]

what are we hyped for

[coral ibex]

ooooo

[normal mist]

#1170654455973294110 message

[coral ibex]

might be tough

[runic hinge]

So close!

[earnest flume]

we expecting circlet to still be the go too till next season, obviously need to sim self etc. but wanted to know if anyone has already tried sims with the higher ilvl rings?

[normal mist]

im actually 7/9, just missing pants for the "visual" tier

[hidden bay]

Brother you have to calm down

You got raid in almost 2 hours

Keep your sanity for that

[balmy condor]

cannot

[royal hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

I see shit on the internet that makes my eyes pop out of my head

how am I supposed to be sane

[coral ibex]

just log off bro

[balmy condor]

true

[coral ibex]

bowl some

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26442297

[balmy condor]

I crashed out yesterday bowling

35 under average every game

not that it mattered

we were playing for first place and got fucking obliterated regardless of what I would've bowled

[fast phoenix]

i told him the entire raid should play around me

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

that sucks

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-enemy-gif-26060704

[coral ibex]

sometimes you're the shit and sometimes you're the boot

you know

[humble verge]

wanna know something

just dont play sub

just get benched

the only bosses your RL prolly would like you to go sub is rik and maybe bandit

bandit if you dont have like a monk and maybe 2 boomies

[coral ibex]

we have 2 assa and no monks

2 boomies tho

[humble verge]

no monks

i ment

[balmy condor]

missing a raid debuff?

[humble verge]

JUST QUIT RAIDING

HOLY SHIT

more thinking about monk for aoe on the adds but

[spice surge]

Bro is checking the pins irl

[balmy condor]

actually though

lanes were aids yesterday idk

2 boards left and my ball goes 45 feet and pukes

2 boards right and it hooks 20 feet in

gg

[humble verge]

35 under average is crazy

what was the average tho

[tropic jewel]

when are the corruption enchants coming ?

[humble verge]

20th

[tropic jewel]

so 1 week aftert the ilvl bump

[coral ibex]

well no WW

we have a MW

we are missing evoker raid buff tho

its kinda fake tho

[humble verge]

nah

evoker is giga

icl

esp on mugzee

getting a free sprint after already using one is nice

also evoker has giga damage

[hidden bay]

like this?

[royal lantern]

sprint should stack with eachother

break the sound barrier

[humble verge]

yeah

[plush minnow]

anyone know if sudden demise if still bugged on Xav?

it used to just kill people perma

[humble verge]

xav?

[restive glade]

which talent gives energy when target w rupture dies i cant find it (and one that gives agility each target w rupture)

[plush minnow]

ToP boss

[hidden bay]

no doesnt kill anymore

[manic quartz]

scent of blood is the agi rupture, right side down, venomous wounds is the rupture energy regen. 2nd talent in the spec tree

[thorn thorn]

Make the locks sad with their free demonic circle usage

[proven talon]

It’s more than possible that I’m just blind or something, but does anyone else who uses Luxthos’s WA set know if it tracks Lingering Darkness or not?

[maiden sierra]

fuck im tired... i read this as if you ripped a hard R

maybe i should leave the algorithm work for tommorow...

im already cooked enough, dont need math to help

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sit-bench-gif-4667535

[humble verge]

what

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/котзыритчоталыбица-zxcursed-drain-timurhuesos-gif-27257921

[maiden sierra]

ive been meaning to ask where this is from

but not knowing is what gives it charm

[humble verge]

its 230am

why am i shitposting

im suppsoed to get my brother from the airport 1130 tomorrow

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/recovering-grip-on-reality-cat-cat-inspection-gif-26954108

[thorn thorn]

Shitposting is 24/7

Otherwise you are weak

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/shikanoko-nokonoko-koshitantan-my-deer-friend-nokotan-anime-gif-3888990587758024677

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

Whispyr has the almighty christian delivered yet

[humble verge]

need to add "Uber will also mp4 react you"

[ionic matrix]

if I have perfect raid placement should I be able to hit both gaols with caustic?

[spice surge]

Yes

Or well, if the raid and tank has placed them well

[ionic matrix]

is it really tight?

[spice surge]

You cant do much about it

Not really

[ionic matrix]

ok, ive been shading to one side to make sure I get one

wasnt sure if I could go mid and get both

just so you know, eleem.

it breaks my heart that im in this chat

and not in sub

but it is what it is.

[buoyant herald]

Sub yucky

[humble verge]

honestly

most of the time i dont think you hit more than 1 goon

i might be wrong tho

[marble hemlock]

only if people play bad

its not that difficult to place prisons correctly, as long as the circle of the player overlaps with the hitbox-circle of the boss youre good

[humble verge]

well at most you'll only be hitting 2 of them

wont be able to hit the 3rd or 4th in p3

[marble hemlock]

can easily hit 3 in p3

depending on strat

with liquid strat you cant, with echo one you can

[humble verge]

yeah we do behind stairs

[humble verge]

YOU DONT MP4 POST ME DAWG

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/WE81VwZ.jpeg

[marble hemlock]

like this is fine

[humble verge]

holy mother of god

[marble hemlock]

the left one is slightly out of range

[humble verge]

its out of 12y range?

[marble hemlock]

its really simple, if the circle of the prison player overlaps in any way with the red targeting circle of the boss

itll cleave

https://i.imgur.com/aew1nIQ.jpeg

this one barely isnt

so it wont cleave

https://i.imgur.com/n62h3Tv.jpeg

this one does. it will cleave

so as long as people arent being dumb about it, and instead of pixelstacking on the marker, they just look where boss is and position themselves accordingly, you can get the cleave

[humble verge]

we do the rows

so ill only be hitting 2 of em anyways

works fine tbh

only struggle would be soaking

[marble hemlock]

ye

its just a general thing

dont play based on markers, play based on boss position

[humble verge]

think i got it twice outside jail

but our kill we had it inside lul

so i think we had like 1-2 deaths

[marble hemlock]

circles touch = good position, is all that people need to know

[humble verge]

yea

pm

i actually ran pacemaker at the start of the wipes we had yesterday

managed to almost burst more than our dragon

cause i didnt know why the fuck i was doing so much dps lmao

feels eye of kezan is a much better trinket for the fight

[marble hemlock]

ye my ilvl is just trash cuz i didnt play much this tier

https://i.imgur.com/cQ3yKyL.jpeg

[humble verge]

not even a chance at hoc bruh

wait

how are you 668

with all those kills

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/OwGxqjb.jpeg

[humble verge]

oh nvm u havent done keys

in like days

[marble hemlock]

[humble verge]

had to doublecheck before i said anything but

[marble hemlock]

dont play the game much

wow sucks

[humble verge]

real?

real

wait have you actually unsubbed

[marble hemlock]

nah

havent unsubbed in 20y, aint gonna start now

[humble verge]

saving some money

[still pewter]

Does cloak allow you to soak mines on mythic mugzee?

Do you get booped

[humble verge]

no idea

but 100% someone else is assigned to that

you'd probably be soaking

[runic hinge]

I disagree

[haughty flicker]

i disagree with your disagreement

wow does suck

im just stuck here

[runic hinge]

I have more fun playing wow than anything else but maybe I’m just easy to please

[viscid spear]

[maiden sierra]

me every time i come back to league

[unborn wharf]

is it worth rupturing the immune shield ad on mugzee purely for energy while it's shielded

[humble verge]

i do

but like, some seconds before the frontal hits

so you atleast get some energy gain from the rupture after

[unborn wharf]

so like after teh first DM you're rupturing that guy?

[royal hazel]

dumb question time> how do i transfer the deathstake mark

[maiden sierra]

a lot of people here on mythic mugzee huh

[royal hazel]

i keep losing it in raid, rik reverb and coc fight for example

[humble verge]

nah im on gallywix :3

[royal hazel]

or should i be saving vanish

[maiden sierra]

give me 1 week and ill join you brother

[maiden sierra]

what are you using vanish for anyways?

[royal hazel]

to ambush and reapply deathstalk mark

[humble verge]

if youre not running MA sure

[royal hazel]

no MA

[humble verge]

i just run MA on mugzee, cause i feel the burst damage MIGHT outweigh the VV

[maiden sierra]

that cope brother

[royal hazel]

icic i keep losing DSM in rik reverb

[maiden sierra]

just vanish to reaply it

[humble verge]

its more that i felt we needed more boss damage, thats why

[royal hazel]

how about in COC

[maiden sierra]

there is 0 reason to use vanish

[maiden sierra]

vanish

[humble verge]

if u get jailed

vanish to reapply mark

[royal hazel]

vanish is 2m cd, they clash like every 1min

[humble verge]

on the gool

[royal hazel]

or am i wrong

[humble verge]

wdym clash

[restive glade]

if my deathstalker is almost to darkest night i focus same boss im on until i get darkest night then i full envenom one im rotating to

[humble verge]

oh

[royal hazel]

the 2 bosses in COC

[humble verge]

cauldron

yeah

thats true

[maiden sierra]

just kill boss before they clash again

[royal hazel]

keks

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/just-house-totally-duh-gif-23663188

[humble verge]

just get a haus

[royal hazel]

ah right, so i can transfer the mark once darkest night is up

[restive glade]

yuuuuup

[royal hazel]

fkn i am stupid

thanks gang

[maiden sierra]

hi stupid, im dad

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069667540151844884/1070814867478560778/D1604373-7A2B-41E8-A1C0-46661F9291F4.gif

[restive glade]

its ok i am too, died coc at 60% and group killed it gun in my mo nvm

[humble verge]

@coral ibex

[royal hazel]

omg just tried it perfect

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[maiden sierra]

OY

pickles in burgers is bis

[coral ibex]

so true...

NO

[maiden sierra]

pickles in general are bis

[coral ibex]

pickles are the woat

[maiden sierra]

BRUH

im so ready to fight a war on this

[coral ibex]

i've spoken my truth

[maiden sierra]

my polish heretige is telling me to fight

https://tenor.com/view/poland-princess-polish-nationalist-anime-gif-12208037732916970356

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/sakuya-touhou-me-ignoring-you-gif-16356760451785674168

[humble verge]

i think i found the perfect pfp that fits me

and my fat ass

[maiden sierra]

but thats not the man you want to become

[humble verge]

oki

its 340am

time for bed

i think.

[maiden sierra]

these clips are ruined for me...
because of years of anime abuse, i understand a few words

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[coral ibex]

NYEH HEH

[humble verge]

wrong

its "yaha"

smh

doesnt even know how usagi speaks

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-shoot-gun-kill-gif-2158060397121513315

[humble verge]

NOOOO

[thorn thorn]

I am ready to be a rogue player again

@ me when its fotm

[thorn thorn]

This gif goes insanely hard btw

[coral ibex]

[thorn thorn]

So true

I am ass now

Whispyr is the ass daddy

[brave comet]

on mythic OAB, do you guys try and allign DM on lust in P2?

cause i only got KB when lust is up

[hidden bay]

Tell your guild to lust on pull

[brave comet]

lmao

[spice surge]

Hes only partly joking btw

Its probably gonna be the most common strat next week with all the increased ilvl

[novel rock]

Hello boys, Do i need to play with two embellishments? as a 80%Versa 80%Versa if I have Pyrotechnic Needle-Dropper from the 3rd boss? or I go Writhing Armor Banding & Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension? with crafted weapon?

[spice surge]

Doesnt particularly matter, embellishments are weak as hell and only worth like 0.5% each. Either one of the linen ones or the ascendance weapon+patch is fine

[novel rock]

isn't better ?

to go double mythic weapons?

[spice surge]

Offhand is the least impactful slot

[thorn thorn]

Thats some arcane intellect right there

Here I was about to craft 2 weapons

[spice surge]

For reference mainhand dps is worth almost 100x as much as offhand dps

[novel rock]

So I craft one and just dig the other one?

[spice surge]

Craft a mainhand yesy

Then spend your crests on literally anything else

[novel rock]

I have 2 daggers

mythic

already maxxed ^^

[spice surge]

Again, it doesnt matter what embellishments you use really

Use two of them

[novel rock]

lovely

[thorn thorn]

The existence of the embellishments is often going to be more significant than which one is used

[spice surge]

And the higher ilvl we get the more irrelevant they become

[brave comet]

that feels bad

[spice surge]

The mastery linen from s4 of dragonflight gives more stats than the current linings

It gave 1.4k over 90% current ones are 750 over 80%

[thorn thorn]

Yup

Embellishments are terrible now

You still want em obviously

But dont need to be as picky compared to DF

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/correcto-inglorious-bastards-basterds-si-gif-15487345

Will def. Be the strat for everyone next reset most likely

[brave comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[restive glade]

fellas on rik all top parses have caustic as their 2nd top dmg and i am rupture n mutilate ads but its still so fuckin low
any ideas what im messing up on

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[hidden bay]

Your tanks suck

Tell em to drag boss onto adds

684 spatter hits is giga low

[haughty flicker]

my tanks have never moved a boss onto adds in their life

[restive glade]

idk if its tanks fault bc we getting pounded by ads spawning in africa so i shadowstep to hit em

[silk sundial]

Hey can someone look at a M bandit kill log? We have 2 rogues, we had the similar boss dmg but the other rogue had more add dmg. It looks like it was mainly caustic spatter on the bombs and more rupture on attendants.

[silk sundial]

Log comparison: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/ryhfadTpvVM1mtZA/self?fight=21%2C21&type=damage-done&source=17%2C71

[rocky sluice]

opinions using eye of kezan in keys?

[obsidian marlin]

its bad

[balmy condor]

yepbad

[uneven crag]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wise plume]

real bad

[visual sun]

!upgrade

[hexed root]

mythic gallywix opener is dumb

lmfao

[placid wave]

most of the diff is from the 4:24 add set where the rogue with more AOE damage has deathmark rolling and kingsbane earlier so gets more damage out (a lot more) on that add set

its out earlier and he has a bigger kingsbane into the aoe

[brave comet]

thats kinda weird, you both kinda have lower spatter damage than expected

[silk sundial]

Yeah my kb got delayed slightly and i didnt have it up right at 4:20

[brave comet]

i mean i dont think thats an issue, i dont delay my KB whatsoever and i dont know how well it lines up cause i just gave up

but my spatter damage is higher than both of yours, despite having a group that does way more aoe damage

i honestly thought my spatter damage was crap as a result

[silk sundial]

was it before the 10% add health nerf?

[brave comet]

literally today

8 hours ago

[silk sundial]

it was a prog kill and i def couldve played it better.

[brave comet]

i do knife ads when they spawn though

kinda leaves my second dm with only 1 shiv

kinda like this

ye looks like almost every top log shivs ads when they spawn

and their second DM only has 1 shiv

[silk sundial]

Well when/if we get to reclear i will try that 🙂

[brave comet]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/onearmed-bandit

[frank trench]

Brroooos from earlier convo. I stopped worrying about more than a couple garottes and ruptures and everything fell into place it was beautiful

lol damage exploded no weird timing breaks way more energy

I’m a better husband

[silk sundial]

is that not just the dry shiv? Or do you specifically dry shiv with adds up?

[brave comet]

dry shiv only follows DM

after the second kingsbane he used shiv on the 7-8 second marker like normal and then again 30 seconds later on ad spawn

[balmy condor]

Yeah your wife broke up with me earlier

Good work

Goat

[golden loom]

idk the adds just go kabooom now, aint no way its worth shivving there and then just having 1 shiv for deathmark

[brave comet]

i honestly cant explain why my spatter is higher then

[silk sundial]

Did you do a different coin order? We skipped the 6th set and the Coin/Bomb golden adds

[brave comet]

i think we skip a set, but we do the coin and bomb. im pretty sure thats the first set right

[balmy condor]

There’s the difference in spatter then

Golden adds are a lot of spatter

It’s a full add set more

[subtle tundra]

meow

[balmy condor]

meow

[coral ibex]

gz on oab

[balmy condor]

Ty

[runic hinge]

[static glacier]

I wanna use the crafted neck for offspec and theoretically if stats don’t matter then I should be able to shift other gear around to make it sim equal since it’s going to be same ilvl

I’m willing to recraft all other crafted gear to do this

[golden loom]

all that looks to sim pretty much the same no?

[static glacier]

It’s a minor loss

Not really even

[polar rampart]

is there a simple way to get next weeks track extensions on my raidbots gear sims now w/o individually making a new 2 track up piece?

[royal python]

With empowered combo point of shiv do we spend darkest night at 4+3 cp or build to 7+3?

[polar rampart]

if your in darkest night you spend max combo pts to consume it

[royal python]

Ya but forced induction gives allows 4 cp to be spent as "max"

[golden loom]

finisher rules do not change, just build to 7

[polar rampart]

it just does damage as if you spent the combo points

you didnt actually spend that many combo points

[lethal arrow]

my guild did every coin set

[golden loom]

no thats wrong

[lethal arrow]

even after nerfs we held cds

[golden loom]

u can DN on 4+3 with forced induction, but we just build anyways

[royal python]

No it spends the darkest night

[royal python]

Ok thanks

[polar rampart]

u right my b

but more points on your darkest night envenom sounds better anyway :x

[round cypress]

Yeah, if you're under LD, you'll hit juicy 12mil envenom

[silk sundial]

if you have the dps to beat the timer I don't see a reason not to. It only got messy if we were down a dps and couldn't phase before the 6th set of assistants came out

[crisp stream]

Is it normal for sim to say craft a crit haste item? XD even tho I rock hate mastery items and pacemaker

[lethal arrow]

we prob did but we already had the strat down for full coin rotation

so we stuck it

[crisp stream]

I understand how sim works but still crit haste......

[lethal arrow]

bricked my parse but boss is dead so we take those

free HoC next week

[balmy condor]

I mean idk about perfectly equal but sure I can try

[balmy condor]

you understand how the sim works but you're still confused about why it's suggested 2 good stats?

hows that work

[crisp stream]

I can't digest, crit haste on assa.
It's like eww. But no way around it. I'm weird

[balmy condor]

crit and haste are good stats

[solar wyvern]

Simply execute the sim with versa mast gear only

[balmy condor]

what is there to digest

[solar wyvern]

Become your own bias

Dont let the robot suggest crit haste, remove it from the pool

(im joking)

Also if u hate crit haste, dont look at season 4 of df, people rocking like 20% haste

Cause so many stats

[crisp stream]

Whispyr, I denied mythic crit haste items. Now I'm sad. Regrets kicking in.

[slate crown]

you see critical strikes deal more damage than non critical strikes, ya feel?

[crisp stream]

Ye feels coming in

Let's gooooo

[static glacier]

If it’s within like 4K I’d be super happy

[crisp stream]

[balmy condor]

yah sim will take forever I'll ping you later when they're done

[runic hinge]

I wish I could lower the gcd with haste. Lust feels so good on other specs

[static glacier]

np, gonna be at work anyway xd

I was trying to cook something with dropping ascension and running double dawnthread but I think it might be burnt

primarily concerned with gally performance so i've been simming 8mins

[hollow river]

?

[wary pawn]

do we target swap in stix? or full single target him with caustic spatter? my RL is getting on my nerves

[balmy condor]

you can rupture snipe

[static glacier]

you rupture nearby bombshells / rupture snipe

[balmy condor]

but in principle you never swap

[wary pawn]

tried to swap and lost alot of dps on main target and did nothing on crabs cuz they die before my thing get started lmao

[static glacier]

otherwise fok and env the boss

if you wanna be able to target switch to the bombs its a sub or OL angle

[wary pawn]

yea i figured...

[plucky patio]

Do it like me and get benched for stix. RL says no Outlaw no play

[wary pawn]

ill do that, 0 loot from him anyways 🤡

[solar wyvern]

We run zoldyck so we execute sims

[worthy rose]

is assassination also the meta spec for raiding

or is it sub/outlaw?

[lyric gate]

no clue i rerolled aug

[golden loom]

Crazy sentence

[iron vapor]

I know right? Assassination does MEGA numbers on Stix

[coral ibex]

RL is looking at wcl overall damage

wait outlaw used to be way higher on this graph

that RL is cooked wtf

wait im looking at the wrong boss

yea RL is graph brained

"you have to play the #1 spec you can't play the #2 spec

[quiet oar]

He does realize that is Pad DPS

and not important spread AOE DPS

[nova kelp]

I mean

adds still have to die, and the majority of the boss damage isn't even done by the raid

so it's kinda not pad at all

[graceful sigil]

Hi everyone. I'm not sure if it's okay to ask this here, but does Caustic Spatter only deal damage to enemies affected by Rupture, or does it hit all nearby enemies?

[quiet oar]

The Adds at the boss

die anyways

[nova kelp]

still not pad

[quiet oar]

They are completely irrelevant

[nova kelp]

try not killing them

[quiet oar]

It is dmg that is whatever

[nova kelp]

tell me how you go lol

[quiet oar]

Bro

[coral ibex]

caustic hits enemies around your target, your target needs to have rupture on it to apply caustic

[quiet oar]

If you dont want to understand what i mean

just dont egnage ok

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[nova kelp]

pad damage is when it's irrelevant, if things need to die, it's not irrelevant

[iron vapor]

Why do they die though? Explain the mechanism....

[coral ibex]

the adds do need to die but you're not gonna be doing it as outlaw or assa tbh

the damage that matters (getting the crabs off) is done by ranged

[quiet oar]

Everyone and their Mothers cleaves from the bpss

[coral ibex]

once the crabs are moving it doesnt matter

[graceful sigil]

If I only target one enemy with Caustic Spatter, will it still deal damage to nearby enemies even if they don't have Rupture?

[coral ibex]

you just cleave

[quiet oar]

so it doesnt matter if you do the dmg

or someone else

[coral ibex]

you can only target one enemy with caustic spatter

it deals damage to nearby enemies

[grim jay]

You mean every spec has cleave nowadays? How could blizz do that?

[graceful sigil]

Thank you boss

[iron vapor]

Well yeah but you can say the same about any damage... It doesn't matter who hits the boss, it'll just die from boss damage

[grim jay]

Thats not remotely true

Boss damage is always more relevant as soon as the adds die as fast as they need to

[iron vapor]

The rogue cleave helps get rid of those adds quicker which is less damage coming IN. It's not 'useless' pad damage

Those adds need to die.

[quiet oar]

Someone else does it

It doesnt matter

[iron vapor]

The quicker it happens the better

[quiet oar]

if you are sub assa or outlaw

[coral ibex]

it is pad because they dont need to be focused

they just get cleaved

[quiet oar]

Because a Firemage

or Fury

or monk

or name any other class

[nova kelp]

the only time damage is "pad" is when it's literally unnecessary

if a thing has to die, then any damage done to it is necessary, therefore NOT pad

[quiet oar]

can cleave them as much as you

[grim jay]

Aug

[quiet oar]

Fuck you, now come into my bed and cuddle with me

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-roll-lets-roll-friends-roll-out-roll-lets-ride-gif-18849278

[iron vapor]

So are we saying that when other classes do it then the damage isn't pad?

[quiet oar]

Bro

[coral ibex]

no

ranged are omega padders

wtf

stix is a race to pad on the adds because they die so fast

[quiet oar]

The Point was

looking at logs

is completely irrelvant

[empty quartz]

this was the lowest IQ discussion i've seen all week

[quiet oar]

Change it to Boss DMG that would be somewhat more relveant

[nova kelp]

would it though for stix? the balls do more damage than the raid does

[grim jay]

Guess you arent around at primetime

[iron vapor]

But on Stix a vast amount of the boss damage is from balls anyway?

[empty quartz]

[hollow river]

[quiet oar]

It was relevant

[nova kelp]

the boss damage is just pad 😛

[quiet oar]

thats why i said somewhat relevant

[nova kelp]

no, point though
a RL who said either sin or OL was bad on that boss is mental

[quiet oar]

But with your logic

OL is better

But anyways

[nova kelp]

I ASSSSSUUUUUUUME what they're looking for is only people/specs that can easily switch to bombs

[quiet oar]

i dont care

[nova kelp]

in which case OL is better at THAT

but like

w/e

[iron vapor]

I'm suggesting that forcing a switch to OL on Stix is smooth brain shit. The actual gain is negligible.

[nova kelp]

it is yeah

[golden loom]

I think if you look at outlaw logs, they are not moving from boss either

[iron vapor]

Or probably negative if the player doesn't have really good OL gear

[nova kelp]

this is probably true

I'm trying to assume good faith on part of the RL other than a wombat brain

but chances are

just a wombat

[iron vapor]

Nah, it'll be the same shit as 'switch to barrels'

[nova kelp]

kek

[iron vapor]

Ok bro, here's me helping with my sub 1m DPS on the barrels, yay.

[nova kelp]

actually to be fair on that too, like there's only 14 rogues in the ENTIRE game

so can't blame people for not getting it

[golden loom]

I mean yeah but then why is the RL trying to tell the rogue player to swap specs

[nova kelp]

lol

fair

[iron vapor]

Though to be fair I do now play sub on Rik, because barrels

[coral ibex]

lets not forget the problem is the RL

[iron vapor]

So kinda ruined my own point a bit there

[nova kelp]

I used to play sub on Rik, but then like

we have windwalkers

so

fuck it

those guys just exist and low target cleave gets demolished by their mere presence in the warp

[bronze pike]

whosper

[iron vapor]

Yeah, our only monk is a healer 😩

[bronze pike]

where belt sims

its out on ptr now

[nova kelp]

belt?

[buoyant herald]

Honestly it was really only an issue in first few weeks, everyone should have enough gear now that the barrels / stix adds get demolished no matter what spec your rogue is or your overall comp even

[bronze pike]

cantrip belt

since apparently

theyre doing that every .0.7 patch

[buoyant herald]

Unless you’ve got like actually zero range on stix

[nova kelp]

oh is this weird nightshit loot?

[bronze pike]

no

delve belt in ptr

[nova kelp]

oh good

more delves

[quiet oar]

Sim deez nuts

[subtle tundra]

bruh what

[runic hinge]

Delve belt baybeee

[subtle tundra]

another dumbass item

[runic hinge]

Get to delving

Delve into my balls

[quiet oar]

he didnt know

[buoyant herald]

Back to the caves with you all

[subtle tundra]

glad i wont play this shit

[quiet oar]

Good thing you quittet WOW

amirite!?!?!?

[nova kelp]

I already delve too much, in the hopes that I see a mechano core on my rogue

[bronze pike]

ye

[bronze pike]

[subtle tundra]

every patch some more power

hell yeah dopamine through the rooooooooooooooooof

[nova kelp]

it's not even an upgrade anymore the stupid core, but it's gotten on my nerves that I have a hero one on 2 alts but NOT the rogue

so I gota keep trying

[hot flicker]

Guys am I wrong in saying ST with bleed build you actually just spend entire fight afk renewing bleeds don’t really get much chance to envenom if you need to stay above 50% it feels wrong tho

[quiet oar]

Its insane how easy reclears will be

end of this season

like 18%, 6 more Ilvls, Corruptions and the Belt

[balmy condor]

when you say "need to stay above 50%", how often are you doing that

[nova kelp]

just... yeah, our ST is poo poo, don't worry about it, strike it from your memory and remember "the big pull"

[near valley]

it's insane how handsome you are

[bronze pike]

ugh

i need to do

a questline to test this shit belt

[quiet oar]

Its insane how charming you are

[bronze pike]

nvm i cba

[subtle tundra]

btw the dmg increase was supposed to replace boss nerfs
bosses got nerfed plenty already

[nova kelp]

people always complain about the OAB reclear, though I guess the nerfs are good

[runic hinge]

Easy boosting

[bronze pike]

its cho

im happy again

[nova kelp]

weird looking dagger there son

[near valley]

Lorewalker Ho

[plucky patio]

One day this hole will be filled with a nice grey log

[bronze pike]

its a super dagger

[hot flicker]

As much as possible

[bronze pike]

get educated

[near valley]

aww you

[balmy condor]

yeah no buddy

[subtle tundra]

like this?

[hot flicker]

Okay so when do we need to stay above 50% energy just outside of cds?

[nova kelp]

wha? how? died at 50%?

[subtle tundra]

probably higher than that

[winged sun]

Notrickz

Im 3k pvp

[balmy condor]

#10

read

guide good

[subtle tundra]

considering it was my first time killing it, it was better that i didnt get the ball

[rotund oak]

calm vibes,love him

[near valley]

man i miss when kingsbane used to fuck

[bronze pike]

wheres my emote notricks?

[quiet oar]

idk do they? Gally wasnt touched as of yet

[bronze pike]

ya i legit cant wait for mists classic

[nova kelp]

you should make this step 1 tbh

[subtle tundra]

im pretty sure it got nerfed

[quiet oar]

They nerf Mechanics mostly

[rotund oak]

already got a DK and a Druid waiting

[near valley]

does it even need one?

[subtle tundra]

gally mechanics?

which of the 3

[near valley]

u kill mug'zee gally just dies

[hot flicker]

Oh so basically most of the time your below 50%

[quiet oar]

No i mean i general

[winged sun]

Except they both have the same pull count

Unless u raid in echo

[subtle tundra]

damn i raid in echo

apparently

[quiet oar]

Yeah

[nova kelp]

I don't wana say shit, by the time I kill mythic gally we'll still be on 150-200 pulls

[quiet oar]

Mugzee like 8-16 Hours prog time average

[bronze pike]

you already know what im touching

ret burst profile

[quiet oar]

Gally like 6-10

[bronze pike]

here i come

[winged sun]

Gallywix is easy but

Hes harder than people think

[subtle tundra]

damn i guess my guild just build diff

[winged sun]

Xavius was miles easier

[quiet oar]

I mean ofcourse you get more pulls on Gally

When Gally is frontloaded and Mugzee backloaded

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/bsrzP.gif

[subtle tundra]

mugzee has gotten nerfed 4 times or something

[winged sun]

U stopped playing rogue tiramisu?

[nova kelp]

the whole raid is harder than people think really
people watched the RtWF and thought "oh easy raid luls"

but then we've still got a giga dead HoF

[balmy condor]

@static glacier yeh couldn't do it idk haste sucks for you

[quiet oar]

?

[near valley]

i'm not sure many thought this raid was going to be an EN 2.0

[quiet oar]

Hard isnt equal to class stacking most people cant do

[winged sun]

Idk u dont come in outlaw chat often lately

[quiet oar]

That what was hard on Bandit

To have a comp that can Spread AOE Cleave

[winged sun]

Isnt this the worst HoF of all time

Almost 400 guilds or someshit

[quiet oar]

Im not that active atm

[near valley]

i perfer this raid to Nerub'ar

[quiet oar]

in ravenhold tin general

[near valley]

would be less but that had to deal with people buying gally lockouts no?

[quiet oar]

They nerf Bosses, so you dont have to do unrealistic Raid comps

[winged sun]

This season is hella good tho

Like

No aug so far

Hope they dont buff that trash again

[quiet oar]

But thats also the hard part of the raid

[near valley]

ovi'nax nearly made me give up as a human being

[quiet oar]

Class stacking

[winged sun]

I’ll quit if they do

[royal lantern]

based based

[winged sun]

I guess

[quiet oar]

Fuck Augs btw

[near valley]

buff aug

set zeross free

[nova kelp]

not ONLY are they going to buff aug, they're going to add MORE support specs

[near valley]

Midnight spec is a plate class

trust

[winged sun]

Because casuals love new shit

And it fucks the top 0.1%

[near valley]

another tank class

[near valley]

what?

[nova kelp]

yeah but it will be well balanced now

trust

you'll see

lol

[winged sun]

Wdym what

Aug sucks balls everyone hates it in m+

[subtle tundra]

imagine pushing m+ at the start of the season and they add more ilvl, a new enchant, a new belt

[near valley]

i'd assume most don't give a fuck about 0.1% tbh

[winged sun]

Anyone who likes aug should uninstall

[winged sun]

U just push higher

[near valley]

but also they do whatever the 0.1% do down in the trenches

[quiet oar]

I mean dont you start pushing mid season anyways?

[near valley]

so it do be like that i guess

[winged sun]

Ur only gonna get fucked by that if u pug

[grim jay]

Some people do it for the fun aswell ig

[solar wyvern]

You push m+ for score, i push m+ because i have an unhealthy addiction

[subtle tundra]

i lied to myself like that aswell

[quiet oar]

I mean puhsing at the start of the season

is just not smart

[grim jay]

Same

[solar wyvern]

Its fun lowkey

But yeah very pointless

[subtle tundra]

yes lowkeys are fun

[quiet oar]

Ye it can be

[near valley]

pushing at the start so i get burnt out by the end

[quiet oar]

But its pointless

[near valley]

genius tactic

[solar wyvern]

If you're looking at end result

[quiet oar]

Best time to start pushing is .5 or .7 patch

Because classes get cahnged and stuff gets added

[winged sun]

Im enjoying m+ alot

[nova kelp]

I wana say I preferred challenge mode dungeons, but that's probably just because I have the mistwalker title

[solar wyvern]

Same

Its just fun rn idk

Maybe cause comps are so versatile and lots of tech

[winged sun]

Only annoying part is that aug could be good at some point

[winged sun]

Ye

[quiet oar]

Wait did you hit filter

[solar wyvern]

Get those dragons out of my keys smhmyhead

[bronze pike]

blizzard fucked aug over

[near valley]

aug is zeross's kryptonite

[bronze pike]

needed to be more than one support spec

[winged sun]

Charrend btw

[bronze pike]

needed multiple

they half assed it

[quiet oar]

Rightuflly so, next should be ret

[winged sun]

It’ll always be easier with mage comps

[bronze pike]

like they half ass everything

[winged sun]

They have way moore utility

[bronze pike]

add 4th specs

buff specs

[winged sun]

Its so much easier with a mage

[solar wyvern]

Yeah cause mage is blizzards child

[bronze pike]

put paladin utility on the buff paladin spec

[quiet oar]

or

delete ret

[winged sun]

Paladin is so bad its crazy

[bronze pike]

lower the defensive and utility arms race

[solar wyvern]

Blind vs supernova, blastwave, mass barrier xddd

[winged sun]

Idk why people even consider paladin

[bronze pike]

[near valley]

rets should have been culled in Stratholme

[bronze pike]

cause it was the og support spec

in vanilia

[quiet oar]

I hate augs and Rets with a passion

[bronze pike]

you spent all your time

buffing 40 man raids with your 5 min buff

by the time you got to the end, your first 5 min buff was almost up

[winged sun]

Rets are always boosted and have no clue about the game

[bronze pike]

oh

[solar wyvern]

Ik a total of 3 good ret paladins, and my gauge for that is how much boss dps they do

[bronze pike]

even me

[solar wyvern]

If a ret can so boss dps they're real

[bronze pike]

prio dam/boss dam

[quiet oar]

As Person and as Rogue i dont hate you

But as soon as you log onto Aug or Ret

i hate you

[bronze pike]

i can accept that

[quiet oar]

i dont make the rules

[winged sun]

Ur asking for assa rogue

[solar wyvern]

I did 2m to kujo today

[winged sun]

Nice

[bronze pike]

even if i have a slapping mog?

[winged sun]

I did 2m last boss ML

[solar wyvern]

Yeah i saw

[quiet oar]

Yes

[bronze pike]

rood

[quiet oar]

I hate it

[winged sun]

I swear sin is op at kujo

Btw charrend

[quiet oar]

But this mog on a DK or Warri

nice

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/lowtiergod-meme-lowtiergod-mods-moderators-gif-6196590610942002814

[solar wyvern]

White swing through the boxes on kujo is just so op

[bronze pike]

i send list, on tmog channel

[solar wyvern]

Poisons proccing dashing energy mmm

[winged sun]

Ye was about to say

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[winged sun]

Tank it close to box

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-18091864705525459424

[winged sun]

And sin does same dps

[solar wyvern]

Yeah

[winged sun]

[solar wyvern]

Exactly lolol

Just blast your energy before going behind box and white swing it back up

[winged sun]

Dude

When i did 2m on ml

Some guy in my chat was like

What if 30% vers is the play

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[bronze pike]

but no fr, almost all rets do 0 boss dam and use 0 utility

imagine being a ret

[solar wyvern]

Bro what if 40% verse is the play? We can go beyond

[bronze pike]

and not using sac and sov

[near valley]

i couldn't imagine that

[solar wyvern]

0 crit mast all versa

[near valley]

it'd be a form of self-harm

[winged sun]

[quiet oar]

I miss my 50% vers on my Outlaw in DF

[winged sun]

I mean it’ll only affect us by few %s i can definitely feel a slight dps loss

[solar wyvern]

Haha saaame

[winged sun]

But

When i had high vers

[solar wyvern]

Ya the tankiness is so good tho

[winged sun]

I did mega aoe dmg

But it just may be the key being too high idk

[solar wyvern]

On the void rider double stormrook pull in rookery

I blasted 18m

[winged sun]

Nice idk how much i do there

[solar wyvern]

Versa may be lowkey good

Im like 16% versa, 60 mast 30 crit

[winged sun]

I play way more vers on some keys

Especially cinderbrw

I run literally full vers gear

[solar wyvern]

Simply dodge every cinderbrew toss hehe

What causes that btw? Bug? Dodge chance?

[grim jay]

I mean, Whispyr and the boys been preaching for ages that there is no bad stat for sin

[solar wyvern]

Randomly don't get the dot from it

[winged sun]

Idk

I did get gangbanged 3 throws at once few times

[hollow river]

apparently feral got buffed but didn't get buffed

[solar wyvern]

I had a god tier 18 pull where i got it ,4 times in a row and dodged every dot

[golden loom]

Evasion tech pausechamp

[grim jay]

Sandbagging confirmed?

[winged sun]

Wait u sure its a dodge

Like

Will evasion work?

[solar wyvern]

Dude so did sub and it wasn't even in the patch notes!

[solar wyvern]

No im not sure that's why im asking, sometimes it just does not apply

[loud hearth]

Dodge

You can evasion it

[solar wyvern]

You're certain?

[loud hearth]

Yes, I do it

[solar wyvern]

I shall experiment then

That saves a lot of damage

[loud hearth]

You can wiggle a bit mid air to be sure it's on you

Or just look at the projectile

[solar wyvern]

Ye

[royal lantern]

wdym evasion

get that 5% natural dosge chance

[quiet oar]

Our Feral trusted that

on Mugzee

to not die on Mines he shouldnt stand in

2/10

[regal linden]

will circlet be replaced after turbo boost?

[buoyant herald]

maybe

assass is one of the specs that holds it the longest

by my count it's giving 8322 stats (~6k mastery+the rest), 675 crafted provides 8050 total stats incl. sockets

[orchid pewter]

i replaced it this week, i have 2 bis rings on 678 and circlet is still side grade

[buoyant herald]

that sounds about right

[orchid pewter]

so it will 100% be worse with boost

[buoyant herald]

yeah from those numbers it looks like a max ilvl ring should replace it

[orchid pewter]

if you have the rings that is

[buoyant herald]

goes to what, 685?

[quiet oar]

also at 20K mastery

cyclet gets even better

[buoyant herald]

true, but does the fathomdwellers scaling beat out sheer ilvl?

[static glacier]

Gonna just use it anyways xd

[quiet oar]

It does get significantly better at 20K but idk how much

But sims will tell

tbh

[buoyant herald]

does 20k act as some random breakpoint or something?

[quiet oar]

Its beause the one Gem buffs the other Gems

when having mastery

and that some break point yeah

[buoyant herald]

i understand the scaling

but surely it's linear rather than like

at 15k get a boost then nothing til 20k

[quiet oar]

I think it has something to do with DR

THere was a graph for that

[buoyant herald]

my napkin math says a 685 ring should have ~8475 total stats

[quiet oar]

i mean you can just sim it

[buoyant herald]

no i refuse