#assassination

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golden loom
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also the tricksters

viscid spear
indigo sphinx
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Tryan about to go full for sure outlawtypers

viscid spear
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I have a macro to target the real one, still aggravating

golden loom
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idk I just do my 3 cozy lil tier 11 delves for some gilded crests garf_sit

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less keys the better

royal lantern
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it would help if they could make it atleast somewhat meaningfull

but no, they are scared of offending the 86Year old dads with 9jobs and 27kids that can only Play for 2min a day, so all world content is only catchup gear now

we are in week 8(?) of the Patch and got a catchup event allready, like wtf bruh, what are we doing

bronze pike
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Ya a bell

stuck knoll
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I would get in trouble

bronze pike
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I liked the bell

stuck knoll
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I don’t have much memory of SL tbh

grim jay
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Running through them with my bdk was decent fun for a bit

bronze pike
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Sl was alright

feral mason
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Korthia got rid of world content for good

stuck knoll
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I just remember Boomerkins farming for WQ trinket

feral mason
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final nail

stuck knoll
bronze pike
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It was solid for ret

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Nah

royal lantern
bronze pike
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People to mean to sl

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Bfa sucked balls

stuck knoll
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Hard disagree

grim jay
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Bfa was the worst expansion

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Hands down

subtle tundra
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no

grim jay
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Yes

stuck knoll
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SL didn’t even feel like wow

balmy condor
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shadowlands was far worse lmao

bronze pike
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Sl lore was weird

stuck knoll
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And it had all the same issues as BFA

subtle tundra
bronze pike
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But a lot of the mechanical issues sl had was due to bfa shitting the bed

grim jay
bronze pike
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Target caps

grim jay
bronze pike
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Stat dr

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Etc etc

stuck knoll
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I dislike generalising stuff so when instead of az powers being per spec

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We get an ability that is per class

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And it is somehow less interesting than most az powers

royal lantern
feral mason
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SL was good, it just had to work on its content pacing, systems design, alt gameplay, world content, conduits, covenants, m+ affixes, borrowed power spam, domination shards, catalyst pacing

stuck knoll
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And it’s the pillar of the expac

grim jay
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Bfa is literally the only expansion that made me quit for the majority of its time

bronze pike
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I can agree with that

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It was def

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A shift

stuck knoll
subtle tundra
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ok guys i keep seeing these fucking reddit posts with over 200 attempts on undermine delve, surely it cant be that hard

stuck knoll
bronze pike
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To have so many homogeneous things in sl

royal lantern
feral mason
stuck knoll
royal lantern
bronze pike
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Compared to the amount of spec unique shit azerite gear had

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I liked sanctum

feral mason
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Fatescribe >>>>> every raid boss ever

golden loom
subtle tundra
bronze pike
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Cept fatescribe and sylv

golden loom
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havent done it and wont garf_sit

bronze pike
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I really liked

feral mason
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I loved making fun of 30+ year olds for not knowing what clockwise is as a teenager

subtle tundra
bronze pike
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Taragurl

stuck knoll
royal lantern
stuck knoll
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(I did it with gear)

bronze pike
subtle tundra
bronze pike
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Keys sucked balls last season

golden loom
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tbh there are probably some specs that have an awful time with it, like zekvir season 1

bronze pike
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But yes

stuck knoll
bronze pike
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A large amount of players suck balls

feral mason
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playing wow as a teen in a dutch guild really shaped me as a person

bronze pike
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Underpin ? Wasn’t as hard as people made it to be

feral mason
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the drama is crazy

bronze pike
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And underpin ?? Doesn’t look like a 300 pull boss

sharp viper
royal lantern
red schooner
bronze pike
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No excuse

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I click

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And I dumpster 11 selves

sharp viper
bronze pike
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Mind u

feral mason
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Lizzard should put defensives in the one button macro just so people might have a chance to press them at the right moment

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unironicslly

bronze pike
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A level people in the forums said was impossible during the early week of season

royal lantern
bronze pike
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Buddy, one rotation button

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Is going to solve the threat issue for a lot of fotm tanks

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And that makes me depressed as fuck

normal kindle
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Hello guys do we have simcraft for BIS starting with the up next week ???

red schooner
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Thank you and good day

royal lantern
bronze pike
normal kindle
grim jay
bronze pike
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Unless blizzard makes a feature to play the game for lfr Larry as he takes care of his 2861836172 kids

loud hearth
grim jay
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Every item has higher ilvl

red schooner
bronze pike
indigo sphinx
deft vault
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ayo what the hell why are people hatinng on bfa. BFA was goated

stuck knoll
bronze pike
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For a cool 2handed heroic hammer

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That never dropped btw

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So I was

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Kinda peeved

bronze pike
royal lantern
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and im gonna be real, tank threat is really fucking stupid at points

im spamming thrash on cd and swipe every 2nd gcd and still lose aggro to a MM hunter at points

tell me what more i can do lol

feral mason
loud hearth
grim jay
bronze pike
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I need to play reaver no spirit bomb build to time my 5s yoda said so

feral mason
red schooner
royal lantern
bronze pike
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I mean bear

royal lantern
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brainless gameplay is bis bro

bronze pike
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Blizzard hates them for some reason

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More so than brew

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Crazy hot take I know

royal lantern
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thrash on cd, spamm ironfur, chill

solid hemlock
stuck knoll
# bronze pike No no nooo

I’ve been tanking mostly as prot or bdk so haven’t seen much from veng but I played some dps keys and at least doing 10s on an alt you see some creatures walk in with 3.3/3.4k score pressing nothing but soul cleave and like ???? Yeah no shit you won’t keep aggro

bronze pike
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They also fumble

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Reaver combo

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So less aoe threat too

bronze pike
red schooner
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Wait for DH to group in a 10 on my feral, hit cooldowns after a few seconds, die due to aggro garf

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Okay then

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I guess

bronze pike
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To bad they fucked it and then left it as a capstone to rot, then made a hero tree talent a capstone as well

stuck knoll
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I had a guy walk into my 10 do a solid 800k dps

bronze pike
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That’s df numbers

stuck knoll
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And I told hom to bind more buttons please

bronze pike
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I would like to play the game

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I don’t want to wait upward a minute for fotm vdh apes to keep threat

royal lantern
# bronze pike Blizzard hates them for some reason

spec tree is just bullshit
1hero treen needs Lunar Beam to even function, and then Lunar Beam is a capstone talent with multiple mediocre talents infront of it?

Elunes Chose unplayable in Raids but Druid of the Claw unplayable in m+

tierset still shifts you randomly into cat form if you play fluid form

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bruh

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shitshow

red schooner
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Just group with brewmasters, yet to see a bad one

bronze pike
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But ya I can see them improving threat for tanks when it comes for burst specs

bronze pike
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All it’s fun cool talents

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Are dead

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Or gated by shit ones

stuck knoll
royal lantern
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no Wildfire lol

eternal drift
royal lantern
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no Maul procs

bronze pike
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I don’t play vdh when it’s meta

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But it got so bad that I geared up my vdh to see if vdh had a threat issue

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Or if people were being dumb

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Woopty do

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It’s people being dumb

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It’s harder to help people to. They don’t want to improve either when they go to questions and ask for help. They’re allergic to damage

stuck knoll
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I’m at work but imagine soul bomb was here @bronze pike

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bronze pike
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Basically ya

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Doing Elysian decree spirt bomb spirit bomb combo in big packs

earnest remnant
bronze pike
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Is still satisfying and no one does it despite it being the key to all noob threat issues (obvi when you play with people who have hands, it starts being more complex)

stuck knoll
bronze pike
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Saving souls from last pack to new pack for fatty spirit bomb

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Shocking new idea I know

earnest remnant
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nothing better than a veng

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walking to a pack

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and only presses sigil

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nothing else

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then 3 dps dead

stuck knoll
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This is why I play the easy spec

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I make sure shield block is not down

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I’m good to go

bronze pike
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Imaging playing veng

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Like prot paladin

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Where you press one thing and that’s it

stuck knoll
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It’s literally just a case of actual somewhat complex spec is meta for tank

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And so many people cannot understand it

analog field
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I had a 14 dfc and i was like let's try the zeros build what can go wrong in 14 dfc, and we just wipe first pull and disband...

bronze pike
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“Why am I dying and not keeping threat?” Idk maybe cause your pressing one button every 2 seconds

lusty kraken
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so many tanks are so bad at dpsing

rotund oak
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thats why im stepping in

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palatonk

hidden crown
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question about wowlogs

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what is "ranking by ilvl or key"

balmy condor
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it's the two equally useless ways that they do parses in m+

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one is your parse against equal ilvl

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the other is your parse based on key level

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and both of them mean jack shit

rotund oak
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perfomance based on ilvl performance based by key lvl

grim jay
red schooner
# hidden crown what is "ranking by ilvl or key"

So for the ilvl thing, say you got a 50 log overall, that's against all of that spec who did that. But if you got a 70 for ilvl, it means that for that spec between ilvls 668-670 you parsed 70

balmy condor
rotund oak
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shots fired

grim jay
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So Jack is a fallen angel confirmed

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What does that make Jack to us tho?

analog field
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god?

feral mason
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fuck warcraftlogs

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bitch ass website buying stat websites and making em worse

grim jay
indigo sphinx
# grim jay Wdym

Them accquiring subcreation (https://subcreation.net/)

Subcreation

Subcreation provides statistical analysis of Mythic+ dungeons, Raids, and PvP in World of Warcraft: Shadowlands and provides summaries of the top talents, gear, enchants, and gems used in Mythic+ and Raids.

grim jay
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It didnt really get worse

indigo sphinx
muted aspen
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Hey! Hello! :)
I sometimes run out of energy in raids.
Should I attempt to maintain two stacks of envenom?

analog field
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nope

balmy condor
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No you just slam

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Brain off if 5cp you push envenom

muted aspen
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Thanks!

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Could you please tell, if pooling energy still a thing?

analog field
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!pooling

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!pool

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anyway only 3-5 seconds before KB

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in raid that is

balmy condor
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Yah you pool to 50-60% ish before a non-deathmark kingsbane

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Otherwise nothing

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(This is also in the wowhead guide)

subtle tundra
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i will press buttons

analog field
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whispyr trying to protect his sanity in a subtle way

muted aspen
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Thank you! Was checking there. Misses that line.

balmy condor
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Bottom of rotation page with min maxes

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It’s a long guide

subtle tundra
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its press mutilate when no cp, maintain dots, press envenom

grim jay
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For the downtime

subtle tundra
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type shit

hidden bay
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For some reason this doofus guide writer used like 5000 words

analog field
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in cinderbrew in keys like 15 do we use DM on a muscle or use the shivs and go DM chewy and then boss

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otherwise we DM muscle and then 3rd muscle ?

spice surge
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You almost always want to use cds as close to on cooldown as possible

loud niche
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Best sim to use to see what my dps should be for a whole dungeon? Dslice?

subtle tundra
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nothing, you cant

feral mason
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You can sim a whole dungeon route I guess but idk how accurate the apl is here for that

subtle tundra
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it also doesnt give accurate numbers

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simming is for gear/talents

gentle finch
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hello! quick question: does caustic spatter cleave off mug'zee to the prison adds if they're close enough?

royal lantern
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yes

gentle finch
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ty ❤️

nova aspen
vague dagger
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2nd boss priory, do we have to soak then cloak right??

nova aspen
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yes

indigo sphinx
stuck knoll
indigo sphinx
stuck knoll
royal lantern
indigo sphinx
royal lantern
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dont make me block zine

cunning needle
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I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO PLAY SUB FOR MUGZEE YOU FILTHY LIAR

nova aspen
burnt juniper
raven vapor
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
burnt juniper
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i talked to my RL, he said long term he wants more execute dmg

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playing sin on mugzee so far pretty chill, i'm having fun tbh

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i am a traitor filth liar /cry

lean plover
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reasonable

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inst mugzee still the barrier to ce ?

burnt juniper
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yeah still is the hardest boss in the raid

lean plover
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makes sense to not go sub then

burnt juniper
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i've 1 tricked sub through quite a few tiers with my guild

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and i know sometimes they don't like that fact

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and now i have sin fully set up and i'm running it so much in M+ already, i have no issues with running it in raid now too

viscid spear
cunning needle
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except their one trick is not shit because they arent a rogue

hardy dagger
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Sin does a fuckton of bossdmg in p2WICKED

burnt juniper
cunning needle
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fuck em

burnt juniper
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one of our officers is an arcane mage

nova aspen
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deathmark in execute feels so good

burnt juniper
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but he did go fire this tier before the arcane buffs and complained the entire time

nova aspen
burnt juniper
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dude i'm actually excited to see what happens in P2 now SHEEEEESH

cunning needle
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oh wait p2

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people dying to spears

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and bombs

burnt juniper
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yeah i'm fully expecting to see a lot of dead bodies haha

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with how my guild progs

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i am a little sad though to see my damage taken on logs go from like super low as sub to middle of the pack now

scarlet orbit
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Does crippling poison works for lethal dose?

hardy dagger
burnt juniper
quiet oar
burnt juniper
grave osprey
burnt juniper
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i was just 1 tricking sub in particular for the longest time

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what they did to sub at the start of last season made me realize it's kinda futile 1 tricking sub sometimes

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it's not worth the heartache and stress

quiet oar
grave osprey
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Luckily im the only rogue in my guild 🤣

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Which is also find strange considering how amazing rogue is, but whatever

short comet
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same brother i try and play some other class and next thing i know my rogue is once again geared and being played more

burnt juniper
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i'm also the only rogue in my guild

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the loyal rogue playerbase is quite small compared to other classes

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we tend to be the lowest playerbase besides evoker

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but evoker doesn't really count because they're a very new class

grave osprey
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This season is delved into enh shaman a bit. It feels similar to Outlaw which i enjoyed. Almost got 3k io on it, my rogue isn’t far behind.

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Once 11.1.7 drops ill full swap back to Assa. To fun to give up.

cursive marsh
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
mystic cave
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Craft wise - ive only started gearing my assa a few days ago - crafted 1 dagger and wrists with embellishments atm. Would a 2nd dagger craft be prio or rather like a neck or something? Not sure how big a 2nd dagger is

nova flax
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anytime i try to play an alt i jsut end up palying rogue anyway since there arent any other rogue players lmao

cunning needle
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and 3 warlocks

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i swear we have all the warlocks on the server or something

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every other guild out there begging for them

nova flax
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feels like rogues and warlocks are the hardest to come by? idk

cunning needle
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meanwhile we have to bench at least one of our warlocks every fight

cunning needle
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thats just played it since 5eva

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like the rogue playerbase is so small

burnt juniper
cunning needle
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but the ones who do stick it out are usually pretty good

cunning needle
burnt juniper
cunning needle
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(i was the best one)

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(i still green parsed)

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i do kinda miss having a 2nd rogue

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competition is fun

compact moth
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for m+ im doing great aoe dam but my st during bosses is like crazy low. any tips for this ? is staying above 50% energy a thing in st?

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should mention bleed build

cunning needle
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its not a huge thing though

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but yeah also youre ST on bosses is kinda whatever

slate crown
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It’s how it be st is doo doo

cunning needle
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can't be good at everything

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unless youre a dk

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or shaman

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or boomkin

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or mage

gusty mirage
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Just mage

compact moth
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i main enhance haha

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im just doing like tank dam on bosses tho

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no way thats right

slate crown
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Yeah, doo doo

cunning needle
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i mean you're competing with the tank

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but you shouldnt be losing to them

wary crow
# cunning needle

I didn't understand it well... Bleed is more about haste/mastery than crit/mastery ?

gusty mirage
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DK and shaman have been dogshit for long time where they’ve earned a little love

red schooner
cunning needle
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just sim topgear

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if youre doing keys

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stats are so meaningless

wary crow
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ok, i do sim too. But i was still curious ! Especially for the craft weapon (wich i'll sim)

cunning needle
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yeah just run top gear but even if your stats are "wonky"

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it doesnt matter

wary crow
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So staying above 50% energy is better than keeping envenom debuff, ok

loud hearth
cunning needle
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dont do this to tom

gusty mirage
wary crow
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tbh it's more about knowledge but you're right

cunning needle
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yeah if youre not doing damage in keys

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i promise you its not because youre missing 10% haste

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i have like 5% haste for my assi gear because it's all sub gear

wary crow
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Last key i was at 1m80 overall with 640 ilvl, no part and no enchant

cunning needle
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and i can still mongo bongo press bleeds in aoe packs and do a gillion damage

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okay yeah youre 640 ilvl

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it's even more meaningless

wary crow
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so idc of stat atm ahaha

gusty mirage
wary crow
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just getting ilvl is enough

cunning needle
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yeah

gusty mirage
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Amen

cunning needle
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until youre at max ilvl or something

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ilvl > everything

gusty mirage
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More ilvl = gooder unga bunga press button

cunning needle
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bleed go brrrrr

loud hearth
gusty mirage
wary crow
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I didn't play my rogue for like 4 year, feel strange that ST didn't change that much

gusty mirage
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The trait went nutty with corruption

wary crow
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corruption was da way

gusty mirage
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Corruption was a weird time

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It made galecaller’s boon a good trinket

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Because that trinket was fucking dogshit

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Stand in circle for haste

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Wow great design

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Sorry haste and speed

wary crow
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but i feel like it could be good to have a "filer" on ST, if the rotation is "stay above 50% and envenom only to refresh hast/attack speed buff"

gusty mirage
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The speed part was my favorite because it required you to be in this tiny ass circle

wary crow
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i'll do a lot of auto hit

cunning needle
slate crown
wary crow
gusty mirage
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Azerite traits and corruption were better than hero talents, change my mind

cunning needle
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gotta raise that apm

wary crow
cunning needle
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it is the most filler you can get for filler

gusty mirage
slate crown
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Hero talents are just talents they’re not a different thing reee

gusty mirage
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And they don’t even look or feel cool

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Like what the fuck

coral ibex
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did yall know there's more devokers than assa rogues according to raider io

wary crow
gusty mirage
coral ibex
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lower than devoker is crazy tho

gusty mirage
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Because leveling a rogue is the same feeling as punching yourself with brass knuckles in the balls

coral ibex
wary crow
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when i see the heroic of mage / lock or dk. Rogue didn't get much of gameplay

gusty mirage
loud hearth
gusty mirage
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Great expansion feature that’s going to carry forward

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Thanks Mr blizzard

cunning needle
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PLEASE

gusty mirage
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Give us any animations

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Literally a single one

cunning needle
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best they can do is make us purple

gusty mirage
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True

cunning needle
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like

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give us queensbane

wary crow
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honnestly the thing i miss a lot is the "little FoK" proc on FoK crit

loud hearth
wary crow
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was great

cunning needle
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or make sectech into twilight massacre

gusty mirage
wary crow
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or twist the dagger

gusty mirage
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Coup de grace being an animation locked charge for as long as it was

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Peak design

wary crow
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but rogue are not bad in a dps way atm if i'm not saying something wrong

cunning needle
cunning needle
wary crow
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sub is always "the best" or "the worst" ?

cunning needle
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HERE HAVE IT BACK

gusty mirage
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Rogue overall is okay, has been much worse. Sub is in need of help

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Rogue early shadowlands was literally dogshit

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Assassination was unplayable; sub got nerfed in beta to be mediocre and outlaw did no burst damage at all

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So you kinda just sat there hoping for a kill timer that made the burst classes look bad

cunning needle
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sub being nerfed week -1 of patch

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name a more iconic duo

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wait

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what was the first iteration of black powder

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i remember it was something absolutely jank

gusty mirage
cunning needle
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I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS I LOVE MY CLASS

gusty mirage
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My fav was first tier of DF

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When assassination was getting fed PI and got nerfed into the ground, and then I watched the balance team buff 5 specs to levels that would’ve shit on the original assassination tuning with PI

wary crow
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but keep cool guys.. a ptch is coming soon !
And the ret got a uber up, he needed it.

cunning needle
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when was last time rogue was #1 on meters?

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like

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finished the tier

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stupidly ahead

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like devoker is

wary crow
cunning needle
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i know we were strong s3 in df

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but i dont think we were top

gusty mirage
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Ret pally was top melee s3/s4

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Because of the leggo

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The balance team is smoking crack idk

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The only time rogue was oppressively good in anything was because of bugs

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Outlaw in BFA was because of the trait bug

cunning needle
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wasn't there a time back in bfa where one of the azerite powers allowed FoK to infinitely crit on itself or something

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for like

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9 hours

gusty mirage
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I’m not sure that might’ve been when I took a break to study for the bar exam. But I do remember early bfa with the poisoned knife trait

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Where if you stacked it you’d one shot people in pvp

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Lmfao

cunning needle
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lmao

gusty mirage
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Run into arena, poisoned knife and the dude just exploded

royal lantern
winged quail
royal lantern
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you will never get more then the 2 stab animations, ambush and racialheavyattack

pure tide
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Is it fine to use a deathstalker stack on rupture or are you tryna bang out 3 ENV

paper tapir
winged quail
spice surge
paper tapir
winged quail
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Is Sub tier still bugged with SecTec?

spice surge
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Nah the tier is fine

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Just sub numbers overall a bit low

spice surge
winged quail
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lmao

spice surge
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Like their goal was for the sets to be around 8-10% dps

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Subs tier on ptr was around 36-38%

winged quail
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Sub tier was crazy on PTR

spice surge
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And on ptr it was even up all the time, so it was way more than that

winged quail
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having to play around tier with holding stacks before dance would have been ass gameplay, good that it got nerfed but baseline Sub needs love for sure

cunning needle
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i half do it anyway because feelcraft

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and its not really that bad

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because you do 0 damage out of cooldowns anyway

spice surge
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Really strange how they didnt toss in a 3 or 5 percent buff for sub

cunning needle
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conspiracy theory of how they dont want people to play sub is gaining more tracation

spice surge
#

Either they simply dont want people to play sub or they think that the hotfixes they posted (but forgot to apply to sub) would be enough

winged quail
#

Sub were week 1 kings tho they deserve to suffer for months now garf

brittle quail
#

so the usual where 1 rogue spec is king for week 1 then shit for the rest of the patch ?

cunning needle
brittle quail
#

yeah heroic week ?

cunning needle
#

No not even then

brittle quail
#

xD

cunning needle
#

The week before heroic week

brittle quail
#

blizzard improving

pure tide
golden loom
#

Well you never rupture when u have darkest night

#

but u can rupture on a supercharged point just fine

broken lion
#

On like opening big lust pulls, do you send ruptures or just dont do it bc I feel like I do no dmg on those kinda pulls bc I prio getting rupture on them

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not no dmg but lower than I would get otherwise

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in a smaller pull where I can manage ruptures more

coral ibex
#

well

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you definitely want scent of blood stacks

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so you have to send at least 5 ruptures

#

that's not really negotiable

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unless the pack is dying in like 5 globals

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which is unlikely

wooden perch
#

when can we buy our first dinar item

coral ibex
#

next week

wooden perch
#

whats the go to buys if we dont raid

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i got this in vault but also myth shoulder that i need

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so idk

nova aspen
#

buy a myth wep if u dont have one yet

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buy a signet if u do have one

wooden perch
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i got signet myth xd

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we can buy myth tracks weps from dung?

broken lion
#

my vaults have been all garbage...

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tf

nova aspen
#

ohh actually maybe not

wooden perch
#

i dont think so

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only trinkets

nova aspen
#

think its just trinkets

wooden perch
#

so might aswell take the shoulders then buy seaforium with dinar

cursive marsh
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
nova aspen
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yep

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or buy an outlaw trinket

wooden perch
#

LOL

fresh kelp
#

signet is the outlaw trinket bucko

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er

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pacemaker

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i mean

glad holly
#

So i could sim this later but im at work, does it make sense to buy mythic pacemaker first with my dinar if i already have mythic priory trinket and I currently have a heroic master diamond ?

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Jastor

wheat briar
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
harsh ravine
#

does playing with out crippling poison make me loose any damage at all ?

golden loom
harsh ravine
golden loom
#

(assuming you meant u have dragon tempered blades and would run 3 poisons instead of 4 by clicking off crippling)

harsh ravine
#

mmmh ok ty!!

uneven plume
#

wait

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no crippling = less damage?

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O.o

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I need to read tooltips more smh

pure moth
#

Probably shouldn't admit that... jk

viscid spear
limber dagger
runic hinge
#

Okay I’ll work on it

south token
paper tapir
#

1.5k dps within margin I’m p sure

south token
#

thought circlet was supposed to be the equivalent of a ilvl 700 ring

coral ibex
#

if you have a ton of mastery then other stats can gain relative value

south token
#

yeah that might be it

lyric gate
#

why did you sim 8 min eye of kezan `?

south token
#

for gally

lyric gate
#

i got same dps with 671

south token
#

yeah something is fucked with my gear

runic hinge
#

it seems like you have a ton of haste to me

south token
runic hinge
#

the numbers not %

lyric gate
runic hinge
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ig I'd just check your circlet isnt giving you haste and your signet too

lyric gate
#

you can snapshot

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circle

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what ever stat you like

#

when you equip it will snapshot your current highest stat no matter what you equip after

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keep in mind raidbots will always sim it to your highest sec stat

south token
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11236 haste, 17552 mast, 4256 vers, 10793 crit

runic hinge
#

idk then

lyric gate
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lot of haste

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lol

wise plume
#

god damn thats a lot of haste

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thats like 15%

normal mist
#

is that bad?

spice spire
south token
#

yeah its 17% haste

spice spire
#

Enjoy your grey parses haste lover Sinscheme

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(This is a bit it doesn’t matter)

south token
#

i could change a couple crafted items

coral ibex
#

i thought they changed the gilded achievement to be avg ilvl 675?

runic hinge
#

I had like 22% at one point this season

south token
#

from crit/haste to crit/mastery i guess?

coral ibex
#

oh i just had to relog

#

W

south token
#

ill sim it

wise plume
#

aint nothing worse than sitting in a group waiting to fill for 20 minutes just to have some bozo brick a +13 in under 30 seconds

lyric gate
#

takes me 2 sec to get an invite for 13

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skill issue

carmine wedge
#

Hello there, starting a rogue to have fun mainly, between the 3 specs which is the one the easiest to play (dont want to play "hard"). Thanks !

lyric gate
#

bro is in assa channel asking for speccs

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icant

carmine wedge
#

ha sorry, should post it in "WoW General" ?

spice spire
#

Even keys it’s pretty simple just takes practice

carmine wedge
#

Will primarily do MM+ 🙂

vast shuttle
#

when i do stix should i use deathmark when adds spawns for extra cleave dmg or just burst direct?

hidden bay
south token
#

yeah i will keep using circlet, sure

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was just curious if my sim settings are scuffed

hidden bay
#

depends on the rest of your gear if its better or not

hidden bay
south token
#

i have eye of kezan yeah i will use it for long fights

next compass
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
hidden bay
south token
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yep picked it

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how did you see my vault

hidden bay
south token
#

my sim just loves haste :/

runic hinge
#

haste is fine i was just thinking it could be affecting your circlet

humble verge
#

man, i didnt know theres a cardinal with surname pizzaballa* HOLY

hidden bay
hidden bay
south token
#

mega weird

humble verge
rough osprey
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
vast shuttle
#

switched sanguine stratagem to flying daggers obn mythic stix

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and it fking cooked xd

#

insane dmg in aoe

coral ibex
#

guarantee you did less damage

#

that talent is turbo ass

#

fok is not a major damage source for you

gloomy heart
#

skillz

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vast shuttle
#

i did more

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5.45m dps aoe

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3.5m dps

coral ibex
#

on 2 different wipes that aren't controlled for the same factors

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sure

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enjoy your 3 gcds of increased damage on the adds

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if that talent was good it would be taken in aoe

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but it isn't because it isn't

royal lantern
#

your personal dmg is based on when you got balls

fallow canopy
#

taking flying daggers doesnt sound very good ngl

coral ibex
#

how about you pull up the 2 wipes on the logs

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and show us the damage comparison

royal lantern
#

and like, flying daggers is really bad

coral ibex
#

lets see how much damage fok actually did

vast shuttle
#

idk how so show

runic hinge
#

Ain’t no way some damage on fok did more than 5% on finishers plus extra combo point

vast shuttle
#

myabe pull was better

royal lantern
#

you trade 20%more raw dmg on DN envenoms and flat 5%more dmg on all finishers for....15% more dmg on some FoK casts?

vast shuttle
#

who knows

coral ibex
#

buddy listen

spice spire
coral ibex
#

fok is gonna be like 3% of your damage

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if that

#

1.15 * 3% is STILL NOTHING

runic hinge
fallow canopy
coral ibex
#

please

turbid gust
#

does anyone know if the resilient dinar vendor next week is account or character bound?

coral ibex
#

do not talent flying daggers

spice spire
fallow canopy
coral ibex
royal lantern
#

@balmy condor king of stupid question incomming, cus i just saw it and never thought about it

the stratagem talents say "finishers above 5cp do 5% more dmg"

is it 5 and more, or literally just 6 upwards

blizztooltips, you know the fun

maiden sierra
coral ibex
#

wym

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that's normal

maiden sierra
#

no but that 677

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ilvl

coral ibex
#

so?

maiden sierra
#

i sim higher at 672ilvl

hidden bay
#

aint my char forsenE

fallow canopy
coral ibex
#

not with the same talents lol

hidden bay
#

but assa doesnt sim for shit

coral ibex
#

i sim 2.277m at 675

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with caustic

maiden sierra
#

i know it doesnt sim for shit, i was just confused by the high ilvl being lower than mine

coral ibex
#

click the link and check for the talents

maiden sierra
#

yeah hes in cleave build, thats prob it

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although trinkets look sussy

#

really sussy

woeful violet
#

Does atrophic poison dr stack if multiple rogues have it in a raid? I saw something like that in the assasination rogue recap post and was surprised

maiden sierra
#

i heard it does

coral ibex
#

yup

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not that it really matters

#

so much damage is coded to the environment or some other actor

maiden sierra
#

barely counts as a "raid buff"

coral ibex
#

atrophic is basically useless

maiden sierra
#

it has some use

#

but yeah rogue is prob the first spec thats in the bin if any other spec is strong enough to stack

#

besides maybe dk if there are no grips needed

vivid mulch
#

So

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Thats insane

#

SD proc did wonders

fallow canopy
#

not even close xla

vivid mulch
#

boomie arcane and priest died 3 times each

#

like look xd

hidden bay
vivid mulch
#

and they died to some dumb shit aswell

swift bluff
#

At those min marks

vivid mulch
#

decaying filth

#

withering discharge

swift bluff
#

Is that frontal on first boss?

vivid mulch
#

You mean me?

swift bluff
#

Nooo

vivid mulch
#

Oh ok

swift bluff
#

The first three deaths

vivid mulch
#

Yeah

#

No

#

We did fine

maiden sierra
vivid mulch
#

It was the first pull towards

#

gorechop

swift bluff
#

Ohhh gotcha

#

I see now. Withering/decayed. mb you mentioned that

vivid mulch
#

Pretty sure we did this whole pack

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and then went for other boss

#

Surprised i did more dmg on TOP than a boomie and arcane mage

#

But those deaths fucked up the mages cd's i assume

swift bluff
#

Yea it definitely didn’t help. But nice work either way

vivid mulch
#

yeah ty

#

scary as hell

#

Isn't there a way to see how many times you used offensive cds`?

coral ibex
#

deathmark is a debuff, you can check for debuff applications

grave osprey
#

For raid leading purposes, whats more brain dead in ST, Assa or Sub? 💀

coral ibex
#

assa

static glacier
#

banger kill

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coral ibex
#

gzgz

static glacier
#

if kill timer was slightly longer or i didnt have to go in cages woulda been better

south token
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
vivid mulch
#

Is it possible for rogue to just SS someone on the parasol skip?

#

in rook

slate bear
#

yeah, if they come to the edge

vivid mulch
#

ok good

ebon olive
#

Darkest night always with 7 CP or 6 is ok ?

coral ibex
#

if you have 7 max combo points, 6 isn't max

humble verge
ebon olive
coral ibex
#

maybe with supercharger cp

#

its a bad habit to get into

woven pewter
#

how important is it that signet gives mastery? Like if I have alchemical chaos flask + pacemaker, my crit may go higher than mast, should I gear so that it never happens?

coral ibex
#

if you want to use signet then yea you can't ever have a substat higher than mastery

#

or its gg

woven pewter
#

so my mastery would need to be 7000 stat higher than my crit so that situation never occurs?

#

(without buffs)

coral ibex
#

ive been recrafting/regemming into haste from crit so that i can just buy a signet and not think about it

uneven plume
coral ibex
woven pewter
#

interesting, makes sense recrafting into mast/haste to do this

coral ibex
#

signet also undersims vs hoc since it doesnt account for your party also having signet

woven pewter
#

makes sense, thanks!

coral ibex
#

i know you can lock items in top gear to not have them replaced but is there any way to tell the sim i want to give it multiple possible trinkets but i want to keep at least one of the 2 i currently have?

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or do i just run 2 sims and lock one in each

winged sun
#

!tea

prisma monolithBOT
#

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

humble verge
#

man i feel sad raiding, i member when assa had the highest burst in NP

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😔

#

now dragon and MM beat me in guild prog

cursive mortar
#

hey there! I was bored an tuned a bit Whispyr Afenar garrote and rupture auras to show how many enemies in a 10 yard distance have garrote and rupture
I'm very lazy and with this I hope I don't need to do maths or tab-cycle in the beginning of M+ pull
https://wago.io/Y1bbl58-T
https://wago.io/XTpVNerm7

@balmy condor I hope you like this sensei

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strange tundra
#

What expansion and season was 4 rogue and ppal

normal mist
#

and ignore garroted targets basically

maiden sierra
fallow canopy
humble verge
cursive mortar
#

isn't worth applying garrote and rupture to as much enemies when using bleed build?

normal mist
#

It is

polar rampart
#

bleed build likes bleeds, yes

normal mist
#

5 ruptures, bunch of Garrotes

coral ibex
#

you should have a rupture on every target in the pull, no?

#

if you are playing bleed?

normal mist
#

Atleast 5 for scent, that's what i mean

coral ibex
#

so wouldnt it be useful to know how many nearby targets dont have rupture if you're playing bleed

normal mist
#

Eh

strange tundra
final star
#

I just track scent stacks and divide by 4

#

no range check needed poggers

humble verge
strange tundra
#

Forgot what exp

fallow canopy
strange tundra
#

Good plater and mouseover macros

clear mural
#

Question, this is supposed to give you a buff but on target dummies it doesn't show up

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what do

humble verge
#

that was probably... BfA?

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idk

strange tundra
# humble verge that was probably... BfA?

https://youtu.be/Y-TZbQXqyaA

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Df

humble verge
#

ah DF

strange tundra
#

But idk what season

humble verge
#

well

strange tundra
#

S3 probably

humble verge
#

you can just do it by the time he uploaded the vid

#

and take it from there

#

dating it shouldnt be that hard

strange tundra
#

Ye cba atm just thought someone would k ow

#

Know

humble verge
#

wait

#

zmok is russian?

strange tundra
#

Idk why

#

Accent doesn't sound Russian at all

humble verge
#

doenst sound like that

strange tundra
#

Are u from us?

humble verge
#

nah hes Danish

#

had to doublecheck his yt description

#

no idea why hes in a russian guild tho :D

strange tundra
#

Maybe good players

humble verge
#

looks to be DF s1

#

found the run

#

if i remember, there was basically most of the time not that much damage going out to dps in HoV - thats why you could run like this

#

just like how critcake and zmok actually did like a 16? or so NW last season

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with 1 tank 4 dps

strange tundra
#

So they only did it on hov?

humble verge
#

no idea

#

i didnt play in DF so i wouldnt know

strange tundra
#

I remember checking raider io back then

humble verge
#

i only know of how bad damage was in HoV

strange tundra
#

Just coz I was curious

#

And there were a lot of those comp runs

#

4 rog ppal

#

But idk if it was multiple dungeons

#

Or only hov

humble verge
scarlet orbit
#

Hov one of the most heal required bosses was the wolf boss which you could cheese with invis no?

strange tundra
#

I mean just wog no? Lol

strange tundra
humble verge
#

yeye ofc

strange tundra
#

Broken

humble verge
#

can do lay and flash

#

but they should all have enough self heal

#

or atleast survivability

strange tundra
#

Makes sense

#

How tf the rogues heal

#

Did their spec change since then

humble verge
#

you have like a

strange tundra
#

Or just the low dmg in dungeon

#

And pala

humble verge
#

7%? leech talent

coral ibex
#

rogues used to have a ton of leech

#

like a shit ton

humble verge
#

but now we got less

strange tundra
#

I'm watching the vid seems like they do leech a lot

#

And pala heals them for 80 percent of their hp

#

With 1 butto.

#

Button

humble verge
#

lay on hands

#

mostly.

strange tundra
#

Did they have insta wog

#

Back then

humble verge
#

insta wog?

strange tundra
#

Word of glory or whatever it's called

#

I played a bit of pala tank tww s1

humble verge
#

no idea

#

might be tbh

strange tundra
#

That insta heal is broken

#

And u get it a shit ton

#

The proc

#

It's kinda like shaman insta surge

#

Enha

humble verge
#

yea

strange tundra
#

Both really good spells

#

Kek

fallow canopy
scarlet orbit
#

Bandit finally died after the nerfs

#

97 log on the 0.6% wipe into green parse on kill a classic tho dracthyr_kek

humble verge
#

some pals i know in a guild, this makes me sad 😭

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coral ibex
#

it was only 240 for us

humble verge
#

only

#

im kidding

#

we had like 148 or something

#

shouldve killed it earlier icl

#

feels like stix and sprocket is just the same plateu that ovinax was

#

@balmy condor 0.4% wipe 😭

clear mural
iron carbon
#

Hey guys

#

The garrote/rupture script from whispyr plater doesn' t glow anymore 😦

#

Am I alone with that issue?

west crown
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
iron carbon
#

I did import the script again from wago

#

But also doesn't work

balmy condor
#

And you’d know it’s pointless if you had read my guide

#

Where I specifically point out

#

Not to do that

#

You can edit whatever you want from my wa pack idc, it’s public for a reason

#

But pinging me with that shit shows you don’t get why it’s set up the way it is, or you just don’t read the guide

#

And either way it’s semi insulting

humble verge
magic fossil
#

@balmy condor easy man, too much white monsters! Kid is trying

#

hahahahah

#

let it be brodah

hidden bay
humble verge
#

honestly, only rup you need to care about on targets

humble verge
balmy condor
humble verge
#

btw whisp, how come you guys havent killed bandit 😭

balmy condor
#

Cause we’re bad

humble verge
#

real

humble verge
#

i hope

gloomy heart
#

about to name my character pooslinger

midnight mist
coral ibex
#

surely you kill tonight king

humble verge
#

dont think they raid thursdays

humble verge
cursive mortar
balmy condor
frank trench
royal lantern
humble verge
#

kek

#

anlaki

runic hinge
balmy condor
humble verge
gloomy heart
#

holy sadge

runic hinge
frank trench
#

lol I have actually started noticing that my dps went way down when I was over rupturing during IC to get it on everyone in big ass pulls :/

balmy condor
#

Yes

#

That is the point

frank trench
#

Your brains want you to…..but it’s def bad

balmy condor
#

I mean that’s just brain problem

#

Tbh

#

You have energy?

#

You have max scent?

#

then what’s the fucking point lmao

frank trench
#

I went from like 10 million dps on huge pulls to like 7.5

balmy condor
#

You’re pressing a st bleed in aoe at that point

frank trench
#

And was like huh….

royal lantern
#

spread bleeds, but dont spend 24/7 spreading them

#

thats all

frank trench
#

Damn that’s a great way to look at it lol

royal lantern
#

like, you wanna start actually doing other stuff at some point and not spend 20sec doing fok->rupture

frank trench
#

Hrrrm lol now that I think of it that damn rupture tracker is when my dps went down hahahaha

balmy condor
#

If anything, you can overrupture on something like cinderbrew pulls if you notice that tiny ass shitters are getting ruptured

#

Cause they die insta right

royal lantern
frank trench
#

Yah they get the execute

royal lantern
balmy condor
# balmy condor

Which just brings us back to READING THE DAMN GUIDE CAUSE IT SPELLS THAT OUT