assassination

[winged sun]

ok ngl whispyr wrote it like

2 times

everywhere

[balmy condor]

For you

[loud light]

poor unappreciated moroes

[coral ibex]

ok but what if i am literally illiterate

except for when im reading discord

[loud light]

we need ikea diagrams explaining this

[winged sun]

my condolences

[buoyant herald]

Anecdotal but here is a good reason to play bleed in lower keys (other rogue is just as geared and probably a better player)

[winged sun]

its written twice + ok what do i do

(its fine i do the same sometimes)

[balmy condor]

The guide updates with build

And has its own mini section

On when to fok

[coral ibex]

but my wow language is dog xd

[loud light]

also somebody already said it but if you don't know when to press fok you might not be in the market for the zeross m+ build

[waxen oyster]

ruff?

yiff?

[coral ibex]

woof

[pine cave]

you use potion mastery or chaos ?

[coral ibex]

lmao

[winged sun]

chaos potion

i think u use mastery flask for bleed build sim it

idk whats best for ur charecter

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-math-gif-26401692

carry the one…

I’m stumped

[balmy condor]

Angular kinematics

[hearty reef]

kinomatics?

[inland dirge]

those are certainly words

[balmy condor]

That’s the math in the gif

They’re the base formulas for calculating angular acceleration and stuff for physics problems

[inland dirge]

me no math good

me paid for good words

sounds wild though

[hearty reef]

those are lagrange equations

[inland dirge]

we’re not talking about ZZ Top man

[hearty reef]

[inland dirge]

or are we?

I need some Top until I ZZ fr

I think I’m losing my mind

[balmy condor]

Honk shoo the way they been sleepin on mi mi mi

[inland dirge]

gonna change my guild’s afk channel to that ty king

[balmy condor]

I have more

Don’t sweater bro, she gave the crewneck

[grim jay]

[sharp trail]

Hey so im kinda new to assa rogue i feel my dmg is kinda low im ilvl 670 and im allmost the lowest on logs when we raid. i know hekeli is not allways precise but do anyone have some tips or anything that will help to improve it? sorry if its a stupid question 🙂

[agile wedge]

give us a log mate

[grim jay]

"is not always precise" is really generous

[grim jay]

I had that wtf moment as I opened that pic

[red schooner]

Another night, another sprocketmonger still alive

It do indeed be that way

[grim jay]

Had to move my head further away

[grim jay]

Happens to the best

[sharp trail]

this?

[agile wedge]

the whole link please, then i can have a look

[final star]

not even close

[agile wedge]

where jastor mythic

[balmy condor]

Where wrists

[red schooner]

it be how it be, I just turn up, stab the goblin, go home

[final star]

doesn't matter

[humble verge]

whisp, u doing bandit tomorrow?

[haughty flicker]

above hands

[final star]

[balmy condor]

Sadly

[humble verge]

i wish you (maybe) well

[agile wedge]

does your rl ask you to do more dmg to assistants? 😄

[balmy condor]

No

[winged sun]

master of bozo's had it last week

[vagrant lagoon]

will u actually need sparks to update crafted to new cap

[balmy condor]

No

[vagrant lagoon]

or just crests

[final star]

and I bet you spent like 3M to do it

🤢

[humble verge]

what i did was just pop a rupture on them for some free energy return

[winged sun]

?!

[golden loom]

I popped off on our kill pull 🙂 🙂

[haughty flicker]

its just recrafting, dont need more sparks

[agile wedge]

i think this is what most peeps are doing

[balmy condor]

Huge

[humble verge]

the goat

[agile wedge]

remember when oab parried your kb

[golden loom]

sent cds and got the fkin beam and then I just tried to live in any way possible

and still died

[humble verge]

forgot to shiv ⁉️

[agile wedge]

it might happened on a kill 😄

[sharp trail]

i dont know how to get that, but like i just feel like im pressing somehting wrong, any place that have i guide to what to press and what if i forget it? is weakauras auctally smart or if i dont know any of it is it useless?

[final star]

as I thought

🕵️

[golden loom]

I was not in melee range of the boss after deathmark

[agile wedge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#pooling as a first step read this

[humble verge]

bro didnt even blue log

[brave comet]

bandit?

[humble verge]

[agile wedge]

if you are familiar with the things, you can start to ask specific questions

[golden loom]

ye

[sharp trail]

thank you ill have a look at this

[winged sun]

Nope i got it as lucky drop

[agile wedge]

thank @balmy condor for creating it

[winged sun]

Same with boe head with avoidance and socket

[final star]

[winged sun]

Also rng drop

[final star]

rng drop in ah more like

[winged sun]

[humble verge]

zeross more like

[static glacier]

anyone know how to check what % of the fight i'd have dawnthread active? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ckRrFBmL8W7DxwPZ?fight=25&type=resources&source=15

[coral ibex]

you got a picture of the log

copy the link

from where you got that picture

[humble verge]

why arent you on bfufs

[static glacier]

just checked others, im fairly sure with 80% this has to be better than ascendance

[humble verge]

idk

have you thought about

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[static glacier]

yes bro

this whole thing

was to find out uptime SO I COULD SIM IT

smh

[humble verge]

generally

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-stars-cutecore-bravo-cara-de-bravo-ficando-bravo-gif-11456704017397053946

[humble verge]

any boss is likely 85%

just base it off that

well besides any heavy damage atleasst

[hearty reef]

me and who?

[brave comet]

@static glacieri wouldnt use dawnthread, staying above 80% most of the time is kinda a tough job

[static glacier]

well judging by my co-raiders

it seems like the uptime is easily above 80%

[brave comet]

oh

go sim it then

[static glacier]

ye will do after key 🙂

[inland dirge]

my response is as follows:

[thorn thorn]

[hearty reef]

[final star]

90% over 5 mins is like 0.2% worse for me

[hearty reef]

aight bro drop that emoji

[static glacier]

im gona be crit starved after changing this weeks neck

[final star]

that's not how this class works

all stats goood

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/shower-wet-socks-wet-socks-shower-socks-gif-21181578

[static glacier]

ye but im fairly sure i could show you ilvl upgrade jewelry that sim lower

[winged sun]

Hopeful flamign firedup mistyping while mistpying

[static glacier]

as my vault sims this week demonstrated, if i dont change some gems the ilvl upgrade is a sim downgrade

[winged sun]

Chat do i buy priory trinket next week

Or what

[hearty reef]

is it on sale?

[normal mist]

COINFLIP IT!!

[winged sun]

It undersims if ur in a party with 5 priory yea?

Or?

[golden basin]

Hey guys, i heard that the trinket from Vexie was good but i can't figure why, someone got the answer ?

[vast shuttle]

when i sim jastor diamond its says olny 3k is it stupid or what

seems like all run it

[static glacier]

do you already have a jaster diamond?

[buoyant herald]

fully upgraded socketed enchanted jastor sims behind both 675 crafted and circes for me 🙃

[vast shuttle]

nope

[buoyant herald]

hero track*

[static glacier]

thats v strange, link the sim

[vast shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/moQMXnBp5c7TiSC2EcwuAb

[static glacier]

ok you have a 678 ring already and ur not simming jastor ring with sockets

I predict jastor will be 30k dps gain when simmed with sockets

[vast shuttle]

but house of cards dint even get better

taught it was good in raid

[static glacier]

its about as good as signet

imo slightly worse

[buoyant herald]

should be slightly better at same ilvl

but almost identical yeah

[vast shuttle]

was -

[static glacier]

nah it shouldn't

if we're being real

sim doesn't take into account other signets buffing you

its like 1k stats

[buoyant herald]

ahhh

yeah that makes sense

it really is that close

[static glacier]

ye

in addition this doesn't show up on sims as meaningful

but if you macro HoC to dm

it isnt up for the last kingsbane tick

while priory is up for 4s after dm/kb end

so if you were to say get a dn env off right after dm it would be buffed by trink and lingering's 30% amp

[buoyant herald]

i did mean it should sim higher, not actually be better but yes all relevant points for actual use

[static glacier]

I do think sims send hoc at better time than most players would

aka not with dm, like a global after

[vast shuttle]

so is house of card a no?

[static glacier]

id not take it over jastor at all

[buoyant herald]

bro things aren't bis or bust

[static glacier]

its virtually the same as signet which is farmable

[buoyant herald]

but jastor would normally be your first dinar i think

[static glacier]

also a relevant point

sim jastor with sockets

im fairly sure it's a sizable upgrade

[vast shuttle]

i just apply 2 socket to it and thats it?

[static glacier]

ye rightclick it and add 2 sockets

[vast shuttle]

ah ok

bruh + 4k dmg

[static glacier]

no shot

2 sockets is a lot more than

8k dps

ur telling me 200 secondaries is 4k dps?

a socket sims like 20k for me

[buoyant herald]

should be worth about 6k, my secondaries are all worth around 28dps ea x 200 is 6k

[static glacier]

are you maghar?

[buoyant herald]

no

[static glacier]

im out of yap explanations for why jastor is this small an upgrade

i had that exact same ring at 658

658 jastor was 40k increase

and i was awarded the first one to drop for our raidteam

[buoyant herald]

sounds like good loot council engineering to me 😉

[static glacier]

i guess ur dropping ilvls

[static glacier]

I was frankly v surprised

[grand trail]

damn having more crit than mastery now

[static glacier]

it simmed a similar upgrade for the enh sham

[lapis helm]

when buffs. jfc.

[static glacier]

whisps apl is ethical

[coral ibex]

i love posting contextless charts

[static glacier]

some of these other specs implement ridiculous gains

from dumb optimisations

that people wont do

[vast shuttle]

how xd i have 13k crit and 24k mastery

[grand trail]

idk i dropped circlet

[static glacier]

also having extended execute phases on kills due to people dying really juices sin dps

max stacked eye + zoldyck and blindside

[buoyant herald]

just resimmed and jastors is showing as a 1k dps increase for me now lol

[vast shuttle]

ye i think it aint that good cause i have 678 ring best in slot aswell

[buoyant herald]

my suspicion is that the heavy heavy mastery is getting DRed to hyell

[static glacier]

the ring he has already has a bunch of mast

[buoyant herald]

mystery then

[static glacier]

jastor has like 600 more

[vast shuttle]

but no scrit

[static glacier]

ye

i want to cook a sim to let this neck be an upgrade over crafted

its tricky tho

[vast shuttle]

spark it was +6k dps more XD

[golden basin]

Anyone can explain how vexie trinket is on the table ? I heard some rogues speakin about it

[buoyant herald]

all the damage effect trinkets got buffed 20%

it's actually just good

[golden basin]

Only in mm+ i guess ?

[buoyant herald]

mostly, it's not the worst in ST if you somehow don't have a better option

but assass REALLY wants a stat on-use to buff CD window

[static glacier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jiE8SeXyLVRFtyvcT6wbhA I give up, can't make neck sim as better than crafted

3 ilvls is fake i guess

ill just take it anyways so i can recraft the neck ive been using for outlaw

[potent lance]

guys which build is bleed and which is poison build

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythic-talent-build

[vast shuttle]

worth crafting 675 dagger off hand?

[normal mist]

no

[last skiff]

yes

[runic hinge]

no

[coral ibex]

no

[serene mason]

some1 here who replaced circlet vs mythic track crit/mastery ring?

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[hardy dawn]

anyone willing to check my logs and see what i can improve?

[serene mason]

i mean i´ve read your guide when it comes to circlet replacement...

[slate crown]

Then you'd know the answer to gearing questions is "use the sim"

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[vocal cradle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[hollow talon]

!pooping

[grand trail]

i replaced circlet today

it was like 0.4 gain with the ring from cauldron

[cerulean nest]

can anyone tell me from sight alone what the two debuffs are on the left?

[coral ibex]

i wanna say that's corrupt the blood furthest left

not sure about the one in between that and deathmark tho

[hidden bay]

Crit haste ring from cauldron was simming higher for me then circlet

But then again

You sim it

[coral ibex]

that's atrocityui plater tho so i must have filtered it whatever it is

because i dont see that on my plater

lemme log in and check my filters

[cerulean nest]

yeah I havent filtered out everything yet

ty thatd be a big help

[coral ibex]

i dont see it in my list so i guess its a mythic only debuff of some kind

maybe check ur log

or is that on heroic?

[cerulean nest]

nah mythic

I'll check

[earnest remnant]

its just the shield mech

[feral mason]

How much hp

jeuss

[cerulean nest]

ah perfect

[cerulean nest]

1532833918

[royal lantern]

i mean, its a shield that 20players whack on

[feral mason]

Aint that 1.5 billion though

[royal lantern]

so yeha, it kinda needs to be big if its not supposed to break in 2sec

[feral mason]

idk mythic gally

[cerulean nest]

its the whole raid popping cds with lust and pots

shits easy

[feral mason]

Oh yeah ok

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor just read your mid season article on wowhead, great job, good read

[balmy condor]

Ty

[midnight mist]

I didnt read it

But I will !

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif-16731040

work peons!

[rustic adder]

How does Assassination Rogue sim for AoE? I know for hunters they say to use MDT sim but is it the same for rogue?

[coral ibex]

dungeonslice

[rustic adder]

ok ty

[winged sun]

2m dps

last boss ML +18 end of fight

@solar wyvern

no adds ofc

[lyric vale]

Ay zero here

Link ur talent;)

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

hate it here

[lyric vale]

Come on i know i can at least replicate his talent a bit

[hollow river]

[winged sun]

[hollow river]

if you're doing 17-18s sure, but then i think you would also know how to check all the websites that show these things uwu

[winged sun]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZB2mBAAAAAg2WGzgZGjZmZZ2mZmBzYGDmZmNLzMDw2MLjNGzYWaMbLDT2GGWA

[sacred schooner]

[winged sun]

[sacred schooner]

Bro I feel like they are trolling

[hollow river]

probably

but i will burn it with fire

[lyric vale]

Yeah but my brainsomtimes malfunction and do some randome ass questions

[balmy condor]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmZmZmZ8ADAAAAAAzy8AmtBAAAAAAxMzMeAzAz8ALz2MmZmxDMzYwglllZmhBbmlBGwSwywEYYxA

[loud light]

now we're cooking

[lyric vale]

😆😆😆

[winged sun]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL WTF IS THAT

IM GOONNA

LOGOUT

WITH THOSE TALENTS

[balmy condor]

new talents to enable rogue +20

[lyric vale]

Love it when i start a fire

[balmy condor]

trust trust

[loud light]

only works on a +20 with a very specific comp

you wouldn't understand

[balmy condor]

true actually

[hollow river]

my secret build will be for WF+22

[balmy condor]

you must be running with feral druid + frost dk

[hollow river]

gg

[lyric vale]

So does that mean we re using shammy as heal or drumming?

[winged sun]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeYmZmZmZmZYAAAAAAYWGmtZAAAAAAottZmZ8AMGm5BWmtxDYmZYmZGmBLbLzMDD2MLDMglglhJwwiB

if u want to be r1 and time 19 20s

play this build

it undersims

cuz it has no apl support

so

try it

[balmy condor]

pres evoker heal

[lyric vale]

Fk somtimes i forgot about the spec

[balmy condor]

true actually

that build does have no APL support

my bad

failed again

@winged sun what poison do I play with this?

instant?

or?

[lyric vale]

Ofc instant

[balmy condor]

how many targets until I stop pressing shiv with this build

how many target to fok

[lyric vale]

I know next video title rn

[winged sun]

YE INSTANT

TO INSTANTLY APPLY

BRB KEY

[balmy condor]

makes sense

[hidden bay]

[quartz shoal]

how unplayable is assassination on like 160ms? i can’t do outlaw on this i’ve learned lol

[near valley]

where are you that it's 160ms?

[jaunty lotus]

I do outlaw on 160ms and it's generally fine

Prob Brazil

[quartz shoal]

i play from na on eu, i’m back and forth irl

[near valley]

but yes you can play sin if you so wish on 160ms

you should be fine

[quartz shoal]

nothing that requires pretty fast reaction like BTE?

[jaunty lotus]

There's plenty of time to react and queue the next ability

[quartz shoal]

i just noticed a lot of the issue was definitely the weakaura delay

[jaunty lotus]

Sin is pretty slow and the parts you need to GCD lock are pretty static, but can totally do outlaw. Just need to get used to the timing of your spell queue.

[quartz shoal]

i’ll give it some more time bc i do enjoy both it’s just demotivating feeling handicapped by ms

[solid hemlock]

where is the zeross build role?

[worthy rose]

am i the only one slightly peeved with the way they want to increase the ilvl of crafted gear in 11.1.7?

like why does it have to be recrafted fkn one more time

and prob pay crafters another 2k or 5k or hwatever they extort

why couldnt blizzard just release some upgrade thing from llande that costs however many gilded it costs

and just a on-use item that you apply to a crafted piece of gear and it automatically brings it up

#rage

[jaunty lotus]

Huh, most crafters just say to tip whatever you want

What realm are you on? So I know to avoid that place like the plague

[verbal stirrup]

'whatever they extort'

if u dont want to pay what they want dont pay it lol

[solid hemlock]

idk i give guildies 2k gold tip, thats literally just an augment rune

have you crafted a legendary in early sl s1?

2-5k is peanuts

[slate crown]

some people legit cannot afford it because they don't put time into making any amount of gold, and that's fine, not everyone has to play for that

But yeah, at this point in time so many crafters have maxed trees, no exclusivity in crafts so there's no reason to charge

[wild jackal]

if you're on area 52, i craft just about everything for whatever anyone wants to tip

[slate crown]

I just tell people to pay whatever you want, if they send me 1g I'll craft it

w/e

[wild jackal]

usually people tip about 1-2k

[slate crown]

lots of people treat it like that now

but some people are stingy about it

[wild jackal]

only thing i charge for is my acuity if you need it for a recraft

[slate crown]

I don't even care about that anymore

I have too much

[wild jackal]

thats fair, theres a lot of it available with the patron orders

[solid hemlock]

if you need 2k for a craft, just go fish and catch 3 sharks - they are 700g each

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-fishing-lake-pond-boat-gif-9638578035609960749

[winged sun]

@balmy condor ?

can we make a build role and call it zeross

zeross build double shiv

[solid hemlock]

i actually really like the build

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor I read your article on sin, very good article

[balmy condor]

It’s insane to me that they overhauled the profession system in such a major way adding stats and crafted gear and skill tree and shit, it’s wildly successful, and then blizzard just leaves it to rot for all of Dragonflight. War within comes around, they make minor changes, and then just let it fucking rot again

[balmy condor]

Ty

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

I also didnt realize until reading it how dogshit fatebound was

[balmy condor]

It’s an idea that could’ve worked out had it been literally anything else

I didn’t even bitch about the capstone really

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

There is plenty to fuss about with Fatebound tbh

[slate crown]

it's so bad

[floral vale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn thorn]

Adding an extra button wouldnt be a terrible change for sin me thinks

[balmy condor]

Most of the article was super surface level cause I was like okay time to get into the actual grit, let’s check where we’re at

5,000 words okay we’re not adding more sections

[thorn thorn]

Since the spec is a bit empty on buttons now

[buoyant herald]

is it?

[thorn thorn]

All things considered yes

DF to now a good amount of them were dropped for varying reasons

[buoyant herald]

like compared to other specs, compared to how many you like to have etc?

[worthy rose]

frostmourne

theres been many nic eguys charging 1-2k

[thorn thorn]

Im not saying its a bad thing it doesnt have many

[worthy rose]

but theres some absolute scumbags charging 5k-10

[thorn thorn]

I play the evoker specs so im used to having 3 buttons to do shit

[buoyant herald]

genuinely curious, bleed build in keys feels a bit funny but i think that's just the loss of KB

[thick vapor]

Hey all switching back to assa for raid, are we meant to be FOKing for clear the witness on 1 target? Wowhead says no but sim is doing it?

[buoyant herald]

lol

[balmy condor]

It’s the blizzard special tbh. Make a good thing, don’t iterate on it -> “people aren’t engaging with it so we’re reworking it” -> worse system

Or the alternative, a good idea with bad implementation -> no fixes to the implementation -> the idea must suck so we’re not going to do this thing again

[thorn thorn]

Im just saying if Fatebound added a button it wouldnt be a terrible alternative

[balmy condor]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[buoyant herald]

what would it do

like another short cd, rotational etc

[thorn thorn]

No idea, it was just a gentle suggestion

It could be either

[solid hemlock]

@winged sun u think there is gonna be human racial angle soon with more ilvl and echoing void, or do we full send maghar into DR of doom cause cooldowns are big?

[buoyant herald]

i wouldn't hate another short/medium CD button i guess

[winged sun]

bro wtf

[buoyant herald]

but again maybe im just missing KB in keys lol

[winged sun]

why human racial

[thorn thorn]

If it has any form of CD though I think there is a decent chance it gets macrod to another ability

[thick vapor]

Cheers @balmy condor

[winged sun]

how did u manage to cook that

[solid hemlock]

2% more from secondaries, our secondaries are giga

agi is legit trash

[winged sun]

hmm

[solid hemlock]

u see the cook?

maghar hits giga dr

[thorn thorn]

Like just for simplicity sake if it was like a 30s cd that just did a coinflip to get buff A or buff B then you would either macro it to Shiv or just always use it with Shiv

[winged sun]

well its a sim question

im sure whispyr will upload them to bloodmallet once we get ilvl bump

so

and u can also sim it later on

[solid hemlock]

ofc

[worthy rose]

yes

make humans opa gain

[buoyant herald]

ahhh ok i hear you

[worthy rose]

pls

[winged sun]

besides

[thorn thorn]

That would be terrible design obviously but just an example

[worthy rose]

pls make humans op again

[buoyant herald]

i kinda like the idea of making one hero tree more active

[winged sun]

cds is better than a static buff btw

always way better

[buoyant herald]

as a generalisation

[solid hemlock]

yeah

[winged sun]

so the "dr" thing

is fake

because it sims the "dr"

only thing sims cant do

is that u have some bosses with amp, the 2min cd is ticking when ur in downtime

thats where it gains way more value

[solid hemlock]

yeah for sure

[winged sun]

unless ur asking for raid thats a different thing ofc

[solid hemlock]

idc about raids

maybe season 3 human racial cook

already sims good

[buoyant herald]

human racial is goated anyway to remove stuns 😛

[solid hemlock]

u dont really get stunned in m+ tho

[winged sun]

what stuns do u even have this season

xdd

dwarf is the only op thing

[buoyant herald]

OAB when fucking up coins obviously

[winged sun]

xdddddddddddddd

[worn badger]

mechagnome is the best, can vanish and not have mobs reset

[buoyant herald]

rik reverb when you forget that evasion doesn't work on his aoe circle anymore

that's a good one

[winged sun]

i wanna play dwarf ngl

[buoyant herald]

idk about keys

[winged sun]

sin rogue needs it man

to live some things

ok well its just a ToP thing

[solid hemlock]

i have played dwarf for like

7 seasons

[winged sun]

ye its useless everywhere else

[solid hemlock]

i cant man

[winged sun]

like

i dont need dwarf only in ToP

but even now i kinda like semi cooked a way to live top on 19

so i kinda never die there now

[uneven plume]

dwarf saved me

i got hooked by gorechop on 19

doing that fight 5 melee is nasty work

[solid hemlock]

blizzard needs to cook undead racials, so i can play undead male

like we all wanna do

[frank trench]

weird zeross do you noit garrote

[winged sun]

u can dwarf being hooked?

[uneven plume]

you can dwarf the dot

that comes after

[winged sun]

6 targets or less

[frank trench]

im looking at your build it's funky for high keys lol

im sure very specific

[solid hemlock]

i think the build works fine

[frank trench]

my smooth brain doesnt understand im sure things live so long you just manually dotting everything vs vanish and stealth cause one endless chain pull

[frank trench]

oh im sure it does im new to assassination this season lol i barely understand the normal builds and the why lol

[worthy rose]

if in doubt just envenom

[solid hemlock]

oh i see

[frank trench]

im just a little 12 and 13 rat lol

[solid hemlock]

thats not too bad

[frank trench]

this is the first class i have connected with in like a year and a half 😮

its like a meele affliction lock if affliction was fun and good lol

[solid hemlock]

with cleave build u just gotta be ware of pulls cause IC timer

sometimes gotta stay stealthed when tank gathers f.e a 3 pack into a 5 pack and it takes some time

cause IC will run out which feels cringe

[frank trench]

i think thats my issue

[solid hemlock]

opener sequence is diff

[frank trench]

if go in too quick

[solid hemlock]

than hybrid

and you need to send shivs

[frank trench]

im very very much enjoying bleed build but i feel my single target is missing something

[solid hemlock]

but its comparable aoe, i dont see any difference sometimes

and its much more ST

i just dont know if theres like min max with diff dungeons, or if i should always send cleave build as new default

its def a lot better for ToP, Mecha, Rookery etc

[shy creek]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[solid hemlock]

idk im just gonna spam cleave build for a while, overall seems slightly better and it feels like cheating

you can play assa and do st

[sudden brook]

are these funny WQ daggers in sims at all

[winged sun]

what daggers

[spice surge]

No

[winged sun]

wtf

[spice surge]

Or wasnt when i checked atleast

[winged sun]

wait

[spice surge]

Either way the numbers are way too low

[winged sun]

how do i get that

this sounds more like an outlaw dagger than a sin dagger tho

[solid hemlock]

i dont see the cook

ye

[sudden brook]

👁‍🗨

👁️

I dont see it

[winged sun]

is it a world quest only dagger?

or how do i get it

[sudden brook]

Think its on the vendor too

[spice surge]

I mean its not more percentage damage to your autos either, its just a flat value

With numbers from early dragonflight

Tbf i am assuming the tooltip doesnt just straightup lie

[solid hemlock]

i dont think this is a kazzak necklace

[spice surge]

I didnt buy it to test myself but still

[solid hemlock]

or whatever that worldboss was called

[winged sun]

ok

[sudden brook]

scales up with ilvl

[winged sun]

how od i get to buy the dagger thing

[sudden brook]

same as the mace for outlaw

from the vendor from the new rep

[winged sun]

oh shit

wait

[balmy condor]

Thing is awful

[winged sun]

its champion ilvl

not veteran

[balmy condor]

Checked it on ptr was 0.2% dps

[winged sun]

how do i get this thing tho

[solid hemlock]

and thats pure ST right?

u do the weekly

[balmy condor]

Yes

[winged sun]

did u try the trinket too whispyr?

what does it do like aoe or just st

[balmy condor]

Also shit

All of it is shit

[sudden brook]

except the mace for outlaw :^)

[balmy condor]

Green text spec

[solid hemlock]

actually true tho

[winged sun]

actually i wanna see if that dagger is good with sub

might scale with shadow dmg amps or

wait

nah

[alpine valve]

when i checked it doesnt even show in details/logs

its flagged hidden

[hidden bay]

You guys better go and play the game 2 weeks till ilvl increase

That shit would be useless anyway you ‘cooking’

Our sim guys can’t even fix zeross build so it’s correctly simming shiv useage

Imagine then adding that dagger

[winged sun]

ok dagger acquired

[solid hemlock]

green text has df s2 values

[balmy condor]

s2 world quest maybe sure

[winged sun]

hmm

this dagger dmg doesnt even show on details

[solid hemlock]

dmg so low it doesnt even show up

[winged sun]

ok i think this dagger doesnt even do dmg

it doesnt show on combatlog

[alpine valve]

i said that

[balmy condor]

Do you guys not read

[alpine valve]

it does damage though

[balmy condor]

[alpine valve]

you can see it in floating combat text

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[winged sun]

ah

idk

i dont play with that i guess

[alpine valve]

Attributes       : Passive (6), Do Not Display (Spellbook, Aura Icon, Combat Log) (7)

idk why they did that

dont worry it does 50% less damage in PVP

kek w

[solid hemlock]

human racial cook is gonna be real tho

mark my words

[alpine valve]

what cook

[solid hemlock]

the cook is u play human

[alpine valve]

you mean the thing that gets good every end of expansion

[solid hemlock]

cause we gonna swim in secondaries

its still a cook ok

[alpine valve]

microwave cook ye

[solid hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[fringe spear]

brilliant cook

[solid hemlock]

ty !

[fringe spear]

Nobody was thinking about that fr

[solid hemlock]

ikr

[hallow glade]

can you reset a boss with poison knife and vanish

[brave comet]

i just had a group of mythic raiders disband on vexie in heroic

are these people getting boosted in mythic and then come join heroic to fail on vexie

[polar rampart]

its a hard fight man

[short pine]

ive achieved my goal

ftb or mod

[strong flint]

Good evening, one question, why I see rogues going for mast/vers secondary stats instead of cri/mast?

[coral ibex]

stop looking at data scraping sites

[pliant remnant]

Assa kinda likes all stats, so they probably multi-spec with Sub, since it loses more when shifting secondaries

[limpid aurora]

Hey all, on stix mythic, how hard are you swapping to adds? Are you just cleaving off the boss?

[coral ibex]

just cleave

[limpid aurora]

I felt like my damage dropped a ton when hardswapping to adds

[balmy condor]

Yeah don’t do that

[limpid aurora]

thanks

[buoyant herald]

if vers is as good as anything else for dps why wouldn't you stack it, get some free DR fries with the dps burger

[shy creek]

It likes it, doens't love it

[buoyant herald]

assass loves everything, at least my sims do

[shy creek]

Yea

[buoyant herald]

all of mine secondaries are simming higher than agi atm

stat weight sims blah blah

[balmy condor]

That happens as the expansion gets older

Very normal

[buoyant herald]

not for all specs cries in outlaw

but yeah

barely halfway through tho, gonna be crazy at end of 11.2

[balmy condor]

Depends what 11.2 borrowed power is

Maybe they just randomly give us like 4000 all stat from a legendary belt or some shit who knows

Then all of a sudden agi goes stonks

[buoyant herald]

arcanocrystal belts for everyone

[burnt juniper]

question on 2nd kingsbane on mugzee, do you send it on boss as soon as it comes up, or wait until jail assignments go out

basically do you send immediately on boss and just pray you don't get assigned

[wise plover]

just send

[near valley]

i fuck with borrowed power when it's fun

so like 40% of the time

[wise plover]

you can wait like 1 or 2 sec if you want

but dont wait for cages

[worthy rose]

i been trying outlaw

and its crazy

[strong flint]

Gotcha, thank you 😄

[gloomy heart]

whe using droptimiser how can i tell which ring its outsimming? like its a upgrade but for my 665 ring or my circ

[silk sundial]

Question on M Bandit and rupture sniping the adds. Do you apply a 5cp rupture to 1 or 2 as soon as they come up, or do you wait until they get lower health?

[barren yarrow]

bleed build still the goto?

for M+

[buoyant herald]

Yep

[sage basin]

it should say finger 1 or 2 next to the ilvl in the sim

[gloomy heart]

doesnt

[sage basin]

scroll down.

[gloomy heart]

thank you

[coral ibex]

you can also just add the crafted item in top gear

and skip the confusion

[gloomy heart]

i dont have it yet

[golden loom]

You can add items you dont have at the top of topgear

[gloomy heart]

oh i see

ty

[golden loom]

Just make sure to add the correct item level, and then you can also choose which stats to craft etc

[gloomy heart]

ty ty

[glacial estuary]

does assa work liek the old assassination in s4 dragonflight when you need to hold your envenom with 1 sec left or are you just sending with 5 cp

[subtle tundra]

you SEND

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-enticer-send-it-just-gif-13099040

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/send-it-gif-14360457

[silent drift]

Ya'll ever lose stealth randomly on boss pull sometimes?

[balmy condor]

Not randomly no

[silent drift]

yeah maybe im jumping the gun, but i never start the boss, but i cheat death when i ambush sometimes

[oak tangle]

i smh at my tanks, i always get melee'd on pull, damn tanks ignoring shroud

[silent drift]

i'll visibly wait for boss to be in combat too

[rotund oak]

might be ignoring a mechanic

[oak tangle]

it's cause you are closest to boss in raid

[rotund oak]

just sayin'

[oak tangle]

when a ranged hits it first and pulls, boss goes "STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL MELEE"

[burnt juniper]

i found a frost dk

in a bricked 16 cinder

doing less dam than the dev who had like 200 less points than him

smile

[silent drift]

yea that makes sense

[native turret]

when i have to compete against a guy who came back from the dead and can control the plague and two fire breathing dragons smh

[buoyant herald]

the beauty of being a meta class is that you can get into these situations

[native turret]

this fat bastard dies wednesday:

[burnt juniper]

true!

[fierce sigil]

Just a Little question on Stix Mythic…. Is it a good tactic if u send ur melee marks into get Both scrapmasters of one side and the ranged marks to do bomb? Or is it too close to collect Both scrapmasters in time?

[royal lantern]

marks?

you mean rolling?

[fierce sigil]

In stix myth u split the room into Four Quarters for Rolling y

[balmy condor]

Yes

[royal lantern]

there is no "melee ranged",its random

[balmy condor]

And whoever is marked for the quadrant picks up scrapmasters

[coral ibex]

you should just handle your quadrant and then clean up any stragglers after you do that

[balmy condor]

It’s not a question of who get them

[royal lantern]

you do your assingend area and thats it

[balmy condor]

If they’re in your quadrant you’re responsible for it

[fierce sigil]

Y i mean:
the marks close to Boss do Both scrapmasters and the marks away from Boss Bombs

[royal lantern]

no?

you just do your shit

no weird melee/range priority

[fierce sigil]

Y Our raid changed tactic to that What i Said…. U think thats Bad, Right?

[royal lantern]

yeha sounds horrible and will make bombs go bomb cus people are confused

who tf cares about 2sec more boss uptime at this point lol

[fierce sigil]

And when in Rolling i just feel Like im coming too Late to do Both scrapmasters of one side of the room

With This tactic

[royal lantern]

get ball ->do the assinged area and clear the scrapmaster there

if you do a bomb, interupt the scrapmaster once before walking back to the boss

thats all

[fierce sigil]

Y we just changed the tactic to What i have described in this Chat yesterday and i feel Like thats really Bad

[rain coral]

hey guys, how to gem on sirene island drop? need to farm some specific

[balmy condor]

How to what on where

[rain coral]

iam missing a spefic one (the one which grants x to youre highest secondary stat) and iam not sure whats the best way to farm it

just running around and killing rare mobs ?

the turtle unfortunately doesnt sell it

[balmy condor]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=siren+isle+guide

[brave comet]

Does evasion just not work on rik reverb anymore

[balmy condor]

Correct

[coral ibex]

sad!

[brave comet]

Wtf whyd they change it

[balmy condor]

Who knows

[buoyant herald]

now you save your human racial for it 😉

[rain coral]

ty

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s legit like 1.5 seconds of downtime

Who cares

It’s not even during CDs

[pliant remnant]

m-muh rank 1 parse

[static glen]

Just out of curiousity, im trying to get gear for my assa set and wondering what stat % to aim for if any

[sharp viper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[rain coral]

30.1 % haste 😮

not bad, how does it perform?

[runic hinge]

these are my stats do i need better ones

[sharp viper]

yes

[winged sun]

Legion mage tower enjoyer

Respect

[runic hinge]

All I played then was feral

[near valley]

legion remix bringing them or something similar back

trust

thought tbh there aren't a lot of good appearances from there

[runic hinge]

Jk i got the moonkin appearence too

[near valley]

the scythelightsaber

[rain coral]

does shadowmelt from nightelf works as an extra vanish ?

[runic hinge]

only on trash and only sometimes

[rain coral]

always on trash?

[runic hinge]

no

not always

some truesight and casting stuff will keep you from stealthing its pretty inconsistent

[red schooner]

Shits janky, don't rely on it, it can sometimes work

[rain coral]

oke i see

[deft dome]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[brazen sluice]

Hello and good morning , any1 missed me?

whysper i did a resim and alot of things changed

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3NWTUZMWpLuCGeBAw5NW4s highest dps possible

[hollow dirge]

it's not highest since spatter 😄

[stuck knoll]

You need to 20 more ilvl for bigger dam

[grand trail]

where is whispyr when you need him most

[normal mist]

Sleeping

(hopefully)

[red schooner]

We pray

[grim jay]

Who wouldve guessed it

It uses cyrces

[grim jay]

Really strong alphas move slowly, haste is for the week.

@normal mist whats your opinion on the t2 recolors? Rogue, Monk and Paladin look really good imo

Dk is pretty decent

[normal mist]

Depends on the color, but I love the black warrior and rogue set, purple priest

Other than that, they all forgettable

[hollow dirge]

don't mind recolors, but would hope for some dark purple variant sometimes in the future too

[grim jay]

Wish they would make more stuff like mage tower for mogs, so not everyone just has them

Even if its only HD versions and recolors

[normal mist]

There was a time where I'd agree with that statement

Now I just say "fuck it, put it on the game, tie it to achievements and let us get them"

And boosts will always exist, so in theory everyone can get them

[grim jay]

Well unless its solo challenge content

Then the boosts would be illegal

[normal mist]

Players:

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[grim jay]

Think there are many people that wouldnt risk their account for some mog

[normal mist]

Maybe not

I'd kill (in game) for challenge mode weapons and set

[red schooner]

In game challenge mode to let us unlock alternate ability animations pls

Or cool visuals on abilities

[normal mist]

Give us back the old envenom visuals

[grim jay]

Id love to get the CM stuff again aswell. I sadly lost my account towards the end of mop

[stuck knoll]

You don’t like the red pally one?

[bronze pike]

I do

[next compass]

Guys, what is optimal haste for st? Russian guide says 15% is 1st priority.

[bronze pike]

Hi ronkles

[balmy condor]

💀

just sim yourself

[red schooner]

What are the Russians cooking? Moonshine probably

[stuck knoll]

Allo

[bronze pike]

[grim jay]

I have so many things in mind

And all of them would take this into the wrong direction

[normal mist]

I do not no, to me, the silver or the gold ones are bis

[grim jay]

Id argue they are more fitting

But the red one looks better to me

[rotund oak]

me too

[bronze pike]

[normal mist]

Perhaps, it's just personal from that point on

[bronze pike]

I want a way to get sod items in retail

[grim jay]

I want no connection between sod and retail in any way

[subtle tundra]

take me the wrong direction

[normal mist]

Same

[bronze pike]

[subtle tundra]

they should do sod in modern wow.... id play that

fuck classic wow

[normal mist]

Finished this yesterday

[bronze pike]

Huge

I got

The paladin sword

But now I have to farm the ashbringer

[normal mist]

With what raids?

[normal mist]

Good luck my friend

I just want full t3

[subtle tundra]

any
new raids

[normal mist]

Sod has new raids

Latest being Scarlet Enclaive

[subtle tundra]

yes but i want modern wow not fucking classic

fucking boring ass classic gameplay

[grim jay]

I hate sod and classic even more than boomkins

[normal mist]

I'll be honest, sod is everything but classic

[grim jay]

Idk

[bronze pike]

It really isn’t classic

[normal mist]

I play the same in sod as a assa rogue than in retail

[bronze pike]

But only sod can pull off new content like this

[normal mist]

(almost)

[subtle tundra]

ofc it isnt classic
but movement is just as slow
no flying
no qol from modern wow

[bronze pike]

Modern wow can’t sadly

cause community will scream about tuning

And mythic world first

[subtle tundra]

anyways, elden ring and poe waiting room...

[bronze pike]

The last small raid we got was in bfa

[final star]

I'll quit wow when I have a game that is good enough to replace it

[bronze pike]

And people moan groaned non stop show they had raid burn out and it was unfair to put another world first right after mythic jaina

Then we never got a small mid raid again

[grim jay]

Wdym elden ring

[subtle tundra]

nightreign

[final star]

Ain't no game that I play atm that can suck up my time like wow can

[subtle tundra]

try going outside, maybe that can take some time

[final star]

shut up

[grim jay]

Dang I missed that. Count me in

[final star]

The UK is a hellscape

Going outside not good

[subtle tundra]

requires friends

[grim jay]

How does it require friends

[subtle tundra]

its 3 player gameplay

[grim jay]

Dang, gotta get my gf to play it

[subtle tundra]

and your bf

[grim jay]

Which requires me buying her a PC in the first place

[stuck knoll]

Tbf it didn’t help that it was probably the hardest two bosses they put in the game for a while

[bronze pike]

That’s true ya

Heroic brd wasn’t as hard as people made it to be tbh

[hollow vigil]

!wa

[royal lantern]

nobody just cared about the raid

hats all tbh

[stuck knoll]

I mean

The raid was

[royal lantern]

people wanted a mini raid->they did one->not many played it

[stuck knoll]

2 bosses that took more pulls to kill than the entirety of BoD

[subtle tundra]

i certainly didnt
i didnt go in it once

[royal lantern]

not even mythic in talking here ronkles

like, just in general

there was almost no interest in it

[stuck knoll]

I mean I think the issue with that is

HC at that point is already meaningless

[feral mason]

Wasnt the gear irrelevant

[stuck knoll]

Most HC guilds are done by then anyway

[feral mason]

from that raid

[stuck knoll]

The gear was pretty good

[royal lantern]

eh, had some good trinkets

[stuck knoll]

It had the weird shit

Where they all had an effect

Iirc

[royal lantern]

the trinket that had a very minor hp drain

that made every RL go crazy

[feral mason]

Maybe if they make one of those patches with an upgradeable item but the resource comes from killing the boss in the mini raid or smth

[bronze pike]

I mean

Mid raids ain’t really for ya know

Almost bis players

[stuck knoll]

I think I’d be so much more interested in an item like that

[bronze pike]

It’s for smaller ilvl players

[stuck knoll]

So done with .7 dogshit ring

With random procs

[bronze pike]

Now

[stuck knoll]

Or random stats

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/im-afraid-that-is-not-possible-benedict-bridgerton-luke-thompson-bridgerton-off-to-the-races-gif-25718390

[indigo sphinx]

There was lots of interest in boosting heroic uunat, but yeah I cannot remember why any one would give a fuck about it

[feral mason]

We are getting a belt next mr ronk

Get with the times

[bronze pike]

You’re getting a random .7 belt with random procs

[stuck knoll]

I’m about to give Blizzard a belt

[feral mason]

its from delves at least

Slight upgrade over world content

[stuck knoll]

Also what is a belt but a ring for your stomach

[royal lantern]

that makes it worse

i hate delves so much

[stuck knoll]

Nah delves are great

[royal lantern]

most boring shit ever

dont make me do it

[golden loom]

delves are goated

[indigo sphinx]

No no no no stop telling blizzard to make content mandatory for the next tier from the previous tier

[royal lantern]

great for the people its made for, but jfc dont send me inside that snoozefest

[stuck knoll]

Loved grinding azerite visions so I could farm my 18th delve of the week

For a chance at mechano core

[feral mason]

I quit my dk and got the trinket from vault a day later

40 keys deep

[bronze pike]

Delves

I have love hate relationship

I hate

That the only non mythic upgrade I can get

Is a stupid energy drink

[feral mason]

You can not like delves

[bronze pike]

Other than that

[feral mason]

But its better than siren isle

[bronze pike]

It’s either mythic pacemaker (barely btw) or mythic house of cards

[golden loom]

Only part I dislike about delves is the underwater one

[bronze pike]

I hope

They don’t abandon delves next expansion

[stuck knoll]

I dislike the mine 9 one

[bronze pike]

And make it fully into a branch of gameplays

[stuck knoll]

At the bottom of ringing deeps

That one is annoyingly long

And kriegval cuz I can’t see shit

[subtle tundra]

i dont discriminate

i hate all delves

[golden loom]

The Dread Pit my goat

[royal lantern]

atleast the isle was just "do a 5min quest"

and not "do worldquests and events that are meaningless to get keys to then do a snooze fest made for the lowest players"

[stuck knoll]

I think it is smart they made the trinkets op because it’s the only way to push people to play it

[royal lantern]

world content in tww is just bad

really bad

[stuck knoll]

When was the last time

[golden loom]

All the Azj-kahet ones are good except for Tak-Rethan Abyss

[stuck knoll]

World content wasn’t?

[viscid spear]

Goddamn sharks pulling from 50 yards out