assassination

[winged sun]

deathmark rdy

i do

2.5m

or

2.7

where is pi

?

zac

[midnight mist]

@gusty mirage you are slow oxi this was 2 min ago

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in-5000k-gif-20880260

[strange tundra]

@winged sun so whats the hard part about playuing it

[midnight mist]

Outlaw does 10 mil st with this comp zeross

[gusty mirage]

You’re just mad zeross is bullying you

[midnight mist]

He isn't

He knows outlaw is the better spec

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

zac!~!~!~!~!~!

[midnight mist]

He is just baiting

It's ok

[subtle tundra]

uwu

[midnight mist]

Rava

My favorite sin player

How you doing

[gusty mirage]

Wow okay

[subtle tundra]

woke up! got food got coffee! meow!

[gusty mirage]

Mfer gets bullied and takes it out on me

Wild

[winged sun]

meow!

[golden loom]

meow!

[gusty mirage]

@subtle tundra are you excited for 3.26 next month?

[subtle tundra]

i wish i could transition

[gusty mirage]

11 months of settlers has been sick

[subtle tundra]

next month is optimistic

[lyric vale]

outlaw shadowbuff?

[golden loom]

Yeah outlaw is broken atm

[gusty mirage]

This ain’t pirate land

[nova aspen]

they fixed outlaw hitting dead targets so yes it does damage now

[lyric vale]

jesus an outlaw is making it hard for me here as assa

[gusty mirage]

Small indie company

They didn’t have the tech

[nova aspen]

[gusty mirage]

[golden loom]

(I have no idea I am just saying stuff)

[proud pelican]

[fallow canopy]

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay neither does blizzard

[low ruin]

more like outlaw is unbroken, we're just built different

[gusty mirage]

Good bug

Blade flurrying dead targets

[fallow canopy]

Built on a pile of bugs different?

[spice surge]

Ye like when they said they fixed the bug for outlaw and sub, but only fixed it for outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Ggs

[gusty mirage]

They both had flurry in the name!

Close enough

[spice surge]

Tbf the nimble thing got fixed, but not the fazed thing

[subtle tundra]

miau

[gusty mirage]

Remember when they made expansion centerpiece features like hero talents and ours are all dogshit and buggy?

Thank GOD they’re moving forward with it

I’d rather they bring back azerite traits and the heart of Azeroth than this shit

[spice surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/384115523677585408/1367990567048581212/image.png?ex=681c86bf&is=681b353f&hm=ee92b52d23bb9ab67f6031beb2b9af685903b998508a92685418ed74c5676c42&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1047&height=538
Heres all the specs that got buffed this week

The ones with plusses next to them

[swift bluff]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

Balance team on top of things yet again

[swift bluff]

So they used Warcraft logs to determine the buffs needed

[gusty mirage]

Good buff

[rotund condor]

quick question to get a bit of an overview on the builds. This is high level overview, I know that in-depth, things are "much more complex and complicated":

1. "single target build" bad for most content, given that LoU has a bit of cleave on almost all bosses?
2. hence just stick with Raid cleave for comfort?
3. Hybrid good for M+ where mobs survive a bit longer and maybe some encounters? And maybe delves?
4. bleed for styling on noobs when running HC dungeons?

[midnight mist]

tbf its kinda irrelevant right

[strange tundra]

so we can play aug

[gusty mirage]

The neat part is I don’t raid anymore so idgaf about class balance anymore

[spice surge]

I mean its not huge no, its like 1.5% or so

[swift bluff]

Ion: “yeaaa just check wowhead for their most recent mythic raid charts and buff the low ones”

[spice surge]

In m+

[midnight mist]

yee

Worse things in life

But they lied !

[gusty mirage]

Oh they don’t look at mythic raid. They balance it around normal and heroic lmao

[spice surge]

But them doing those bugfixes has to be why sub didnt get a buff

[midnight mist]

Uh

I doubt or

[gusty mirage]

Which is even worse because at this point in the tier parses are heavily skewed due to people face rolling the content

[gusty mirage]

Sorry, yellow class, you’re good enough okay?

Sure you’re 2nd to worst but at least you’re not the worst!

[winged sun]

@Gamer Rava

my varofite gorue

[half tartan]

Can anybody look at how I'm getting smoked by this guy(I was watching his youtube). There has to be something rotationally I'm doing incorrect I had twice as many ruptures, is there something obvious that I'm missing(note his log is a kill mine is our best wipe).

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y1PcCbwKT7xmBW9Y?fight=12&type=summary&start=3426300&end=3706181&source=21

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CNBfcm4TQFYzvWqd?fight=46&start=10902200&end=11182630&type=damage-done&source=15

[golden loom]

You also wiped before lust

[midnight mist]

talking like a true frenchman

proud of you

[swift bluff]

Baguette

[winged sun]

zac

dont talk to me again

[gusty mirage]

[winged sun]

plz

[rotund condor]

guys? 🙈 I know, nooby "I'm just re-learning rogue", but a quick "yupp", or "not exactly" would already help out a lot

[winged sun]

i dont want to toiletlaw players

speak

to

[spice surge]

Assuming raid cleave is just ST but with caustic spatter instead of internal bleeding yes just play that for every boss, if you can be bothered you can swap to pure ST for sprocket but
Just play bleed for any m+ that isnt like +17s

[winged sun]

ok i added that sentence to a salad

gl reading it

[rotund condor]

ty! <3

[vast shuttle]

taughts on dropping master assasin for lightweight shiv bleed build

[winged sun]

@gusty mirage u seem like ur excited for gta 6

or

[gusty mirage]

ST build bad outside of raid. Raid cleave probably safe to run for every fight because you won’t even notice internal bleeding missing honestly

Hybrid is good for high keys where the extra prior damage is important. It’d probably be good for delves too, but once you get enough gear it won’t matter.

Bleed is the go to m+ built up until you get high enough for prio damage to matter

[gusty mirage]

Honestly I didn’t even see the trailer

[hot nexus]

I tried to watch the trailer and they kept shoving some chick’s ass in my face yo

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been trying to finish work on the house and the last minute shit for the wedding

[winged sun]

whats wrong with asses yo

[vast shuttle]

u do hybrid in what keys?

[golden loom]

wtf link trailer!!

[winged sun]

wedding

sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

my guy oxi is getting married or

[gusty mirage]

Probably 13-14+

[gusty mirage]

Yes sir, in 11 days

[winged sun]

happy for u big man

[hot nexus]

https://x.com/whackiescorner/status/1919779022877106576?s=46

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Rockstar Games : "Yes"

X · May 6, 2025, 3:39 PM

like wut

[gusty mirage]

(Don’t get married it’s a scam)

[winged sun]

thats the best part of gta

[hot nexus]

lmao

[marble hemlock]

better tax bracket

[gusty mirage]

You act like I make enough money for that to matter

[hot nexus]

coomer marketing

[loud hearth]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Thought I was going crazy the APM (ass per minute) was off the charts on that trailer.

Def one for the gooners.

[vast shuttle]

ok will try motherlode hyrbid

[marble hemlock]

once we open our patreon and onlyfans we will, pookiebear

[gusty mirage]

Man if I could sell feet pics online I’d do it in a heartbeat

[marble hemlock]

you can

[kindred flare]

(don’t have a wedding, it’s a scam)

[marble hemlock]

whether theyll make any money is the other thing

[winged sun]

help i cant upgrade anything anymore

what do i do

[inland dirge]

what is stopping you

[gusty mirage]

Ain’t no one paying for these dogs

[winged sun]

fuck fuck

[fallow canopy]

Nothing a good ol pedicure cant fix

[marble hemlock]

thats just cuz were getting them for free

[fallow canopy]

Oh believe me there is a market for everything

[gusty mirage]

You’ve literally never seen my feet

[golden loom]

mythic jastor or noob!

[gusty mirage]

I can’t share my feet around Shiennar

[hot nexus]

1st world problems

[gusty mirage]

Cause he’ll turn them into an emote

[winged sun]

mugzee still alive

[marble hemlock]

[winged sun]

didnt join a top guild dont ask why

[inland dirge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1225450138269519923/4x.gif

[swift bluff]

Why

[hot nexus]

why

[winged sun]

BECAUSE OK

idk i wanted to raid with friends

[marble hemlock]

he has a good collection, ye

[swift bluff]

Ahh ok

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/yue-alien-cat-alien-cat-twitch-emote-gif-4413005531923212597

[golden loom]

so u made the right choice

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[hot nexus]

[swift bluff]

Clearly this decision is stopping you from being a good rogue

[half tartan]

If we take jastors on tuesday, can we upgrade it to mythic once we kill gallywix

[hot nexus]

who needs friends when you have gear right?

jk I don’t have either

[gusty mirage]

Based

[winged sun]

idk i never raided for like

[inland dirge]

ah beat me to it

[winged sun]

top ranks

i only raided to enjoy raiding

[spice surge]

Iirc no

[vast shuttle]

can someone send good hyrbid build pls

[winged sun]

might do it next tier who knows

[inland dirge]

no gear no friends shit logs, it’s unequivocally over

[half tartan]

Thats dumb af 😦

[inland dirge]

[gusty mirage]

I still love you

[winged sun]

hard to play, high keys build and very high st

[swift bluff]

Just message Max and say “hey, I’m replacing JPC. Let me in”

[hot nexus]

is the sin channel also hanging out for zac’s fetish reveal btw?

[spice surge]

Youre literally just buying the item that drops of the boss, not a special track or anything

[nova aspen]

drop circlet for vers ring

[gusty mirage]

Assa chat is like off topic but without the kpop

[inland dirge]

thank you……. I love you too

[winged sun]

i cant

i need to prob just go for more dps next week

[vast shuttle]

isnt this kinda raid build xd

[winged sun]

raid build + IC and scent of blood

[vast shuttle]

good for +13?

[winged sun]

u literally do infinite st

[golden loom]

if u are doing 13s play bleed

[vast shuttle]

what is st

[winged sun]

well depends on how good u are, no offense

[coral ibex]

single target

[winged sun]

99.9% of the players should play bleed build

[coral ibex]

no

dont play this build

just play bleed

[winged sun]

5m overall in a +12

[coral ibex]

if you arent doing rank 1 keys it is BAD

[winged sun]

but gl playing it well

its rly hard

[coral ibex]

it is a BAD BUILD for anyone other than rank 1 pushers

[vast shuttle]

wait zeross

arent u a top rogue?

[hidden bay]

[golden loom]

thats why he plays it yeah

cause he is able to

[hot nexus]

you would’ve done more on outlaw

[vast shuttle]

XD I TAUGHT I SEEN THAT NAME BEFORE

[winged sun]

xD

[fallow canopy]

No 678 jastor, actually washed

[winged sun]

wtf

[swift bluff]

Yea

[hidden bay]

got me

[swift bluff]

Garbage gear

[winged sun]

ITS FINE GUYS we're raiding 4 days this week i think

to kill last 2 bosses

[vast shuttle]

zeross gonna try ur build

[swift bluff]

Okay well you better

Just get all the gear

[winged sun]

i dont recommend my build unless u understand how assa works

[swift bluff]

Cloth, plate

All of it

[winged sun]

you'd do way more on bleed build

bleed is more overall than that but it does rly good aoe and infinite st

they both sim about the same at 10 targets ish

[iron carbon]

You can also play the "classic" season 1 build

[winged sun]

and that hybrid build does way more uncapped dps

which is what u want in higher keys

[hot nexus]

one day you’ll find a nice girl who will get on her knee and give you a mythic jastor’s @winged sun dw

[winged sun]

cuz most our pulls are above 10 mobs all the time

[inland dirge]

[ruby birch]

Bleed build ST is just a tragedy though

[midnight mist]

I love k-pop, any groups you would recommend?

[winged sun]

[frigid juniper]

is 31% crit to little for assa?

and 60% haste

[winged sun]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[ruby birch]

Ya bro aim for 80% crit

[frigid juniper]

rip

[ruby birch]

Minimum

[fallow canopy]

Bro 10% is enough, you just have to crit lmao

Actual skill diff stat

[golden loom]

just crit lol

only noobs dont crit

[frigid juniper]

so i just want crit

[gusty mirage]

I’m sure if you ask Mizerok and zempai they’ll be able to recommend someone

[golden loom]

blackpink is all u need

[coral ibex]

i had a 24m envenom on bandit last night

now this is cranking

[golden loom]

did u kill it

[coral ibex]

[golden loom]

and are the nerfs noticeable

[coral ibex]

no and NO

[golden loom]

fuck!

[winged sun]

28m when

[paper tapir]

What makes it hard u think

[spice spire]

Idk if you can ask that

[spice surge]

CT is softcappd at 8 though and spatter is at 5, so the more targets you add the better bleed becomes in comparison

[coral ibex]

i'm genuinely tilted tbh 101m hp remaining on our best pull

and some people are doing damage like they just woke up for the first time today

[winged sun]

its like outlaw in s3 DF, people thought using finishers always at 5 cp and only having 2 builders is easy

when no one played it well

[golden loom]

I think its also just 100x harder than the alternative

[inland dirge]

have you considered dying on a pull? usually does the trick for me

[golden loom]

cause bleed u have so much comfy stuff

[inland dirge]

guaranteed to work on prog

[fallow canopy]

That brought back some bad memories

[coral ibex]

we'd be so far behind on damage i think we'd literally never kill it

[paper tapir]

Yeah, I been playing it in 16’s and I like it. Doing boss dam is fun

[golden loom]

like double vanish subterfuege compared to FI is just sooo much easier

[coral ibex]

we need more parse monkeys

unironically

[golden loom]

fuck up mark on zeross build? gg

[coral ibex]

too many people ok with dropping uptime

[inland dirge]

[paper tapir]

Also @winged sun are you playing for sanguine blades on bosses? I watch your vods and it seem like you don’t care about it but wanted to ask

[coral ibex]

how did i do 150m more envenom damage than the other rogue

[spice surge]

No sanguine is an aoe talent

[coral ibex]

[spice surge]

Its actively bad to have it proc on ST

[spice spire]

If you’re playing hybrid build you actually care about your envenom uptime

[inland dirge]

ethical pooling

[paper tapir]

Thanks bruh

[spice spire]

So less envenom = bad

[fallow canopy]

these were all on the same night good times

[vast shuttle]

@winged sun how tf u play with this

i was so dog

[spice surge]

We wiped at 900k on ansurek

[winged sun]

sims the same, and i didnt work on the double shiv build much lately

will fix apl more

it will sim alot more im sure

also crimson is softcapped at 5

not 8

[golden loom]

ur fault for not playing sin and running demise

[spice surge]

Ni

No

Its 8

Tooltip lies

[winged sun]

does it

didnt know

[golden loom]

blizzard tooltips

[fallow canopy]

Someone didn't read the latest whispyr wowhead article

[winged sun]

but ye i expect this build to do more

[fallow canopy]

[winged sun]

at higher target counts

it does feel like it too on details

i did 30m dps first pull cinderbrew with it

i dont expect bleed to do that much?

[inland dirge]

thank god I can’t read!

[winged sun]

30-32

[spice surge]

Thats the entire reason why bleed started simming well

[winged sun]

i tried bleedd build many times i could never pull off that number even when spreading garrotes+ruptures on different targets

to maximize the 3 targets

[hot nexus]

I feel like it’s because there’s less setup

[winged sun]

highest variance is also 18m

on 10 targets

[hot nexus]

so you burst before a lot of the small hp mobs die

[winged sun]

i dont expect crimson tempest to do 12m more dps

on 10 more mobs

would be unrealistic

[silk sundial]

Do you use your charged combo points on envenom or ct in a aoe pull @winged sun

[winged sun]

but spatter does

[winged sun]

doesnt matter too much u can stop using shiv at 5 targets

if u want highest overall dps that is

unless lingering darkness is up

then u can use it abit higher target counts kinda

[lean plover]

arent patchwerk aoe sims unsupported?

I think whispyr said somethint like that

[winged sun]

sort of

the double shiv i have support for it but i dont think its in the apl atm

kinda fixing it over the next few days

[silk sundial]

Would a 9cp CT not be worth it in say, an 8 target pull because of the 1 shiv gcd?

[golden loom]

well difference between a 5 cp and a 9cp CT is just duration

[winged sun]

i would shiv a CT if like

u want a longer duration CT on the boss

and those addds will die soon

it is a REALLY big funnel'ed supercharged CT

[coral ibex]

without ap shiving the CT doesn't really add damage

[winged sun]

ye just duration

will have to get tobfon's help abit on other minmaxes i wanna add

[golden loom]

like if u are running the giga low key build, bleed with supercharger u would shiv + CT to get GIGA demise but thats not really the thing here

[winged sun]

drop vigor for extra sudden demise dmg

[golden loom]

exactly

[undone flame]

i tryed one of the ui wa and so mad at myself for not doring that sooner XD

[wise plume]

Are we all just back to hybrid gaming?

[winged sun]

u can prob do a crazy sudden demise hit with superchargeer

best i did was 40m like 4-5 weeks ago

maybe longer i forgot when i last played it

[undone flame]

hm why we back on hybrid all of a sudden

[swift bluff]

Because Zeross is cheating

[winged sun]

Because Zeross is cheating

[golden loom]

cause zeross is playing a different game compared to 100% of the playerbase

[swift bluff]

Scroll up and you can see some screenshots of his pumps

[winged sun]

but idk isn't that decent for a low key or

its a +12

[golden loom]

physical god comp sheeesh

[winged sun]

and darkflame is like

one of the worst keys

for this build

[swift bluff]

Yea, plus single targets over 2.2m

[celest crescent]

did you guys try Mega Magnet on assa (2x on use) over pacemaker? i will probably take a socket, but just curious if its not annoying to click it

[winged sun]

idk

i think this build might be better everywhere tbh

[golden loom]

was that just a random pug or playing with ppl u know?

[winged sun]

u just need to play it well

[swift bluff]

Meanwhile I’m hard stuck at 1.4-1.8m on Bleed. I’m far from perfect but damn

[winged sun]

its very hard to play imo

because u have no time to spread ur bleeds

[coral ibex]

its very good for assa

[winged sun]

u have to really think of every gcd u press

[coral ibex]

ive been using a 678 magnet for a month since it dropped off stix

[winged sun]

randdom pug

[golden loom]

cause I think if I just join a random pug +12 with that build atm I would quit the game

[winged sun]

we even had to kill

1 mob solo

then

another mob solo

cuz tank forgot %

[golden loom]

built diff

[coral ibex]

mega magnet sims basically equal to pacemaker for me

[winged sun]

the sudden demise dmg is there too

its not bad

spatter dmg is insanely huge

and envenoms

[golden loom]

but I think for low keys it can never be worth the effort tho you know

[celest crescent]

ye but thats another button, pacemaker is just comfy

[winged sun]

ye i mean if u care about minmaxing alot you'd be doing higher keys anyway

[swift bluff]

Backing up tho, like we all wanna pump. But also at the same time, Zeross is pushing the tippy top of keys. Doesn’t always just translate that we do same in the lower bracket range

[golden loom]

exactly

[wise plume]

i wanna try that build, but also dont want to brick a key lmao

[winged sun]

if ur bricking a +10 key idk what to tell you brotherman

[golden loom]

I dont even think its possible this season

[winged sun]

like

[swift bluff]

Yea give it a shot. Maybe even mention to party after they start key lol

[winged sun]

they are simming about the same atm

ngl

bleed only sims better at 3-8 target range

ish

[silk sundial]

I mean, its not that different from 11.0 hybrid? Back then we didn't take subt or ma. You just move a few points like IG, go dashing etc

[swift bluff]

I mean at the end of the day, boss damage matters as the keys go higher

[winged sun]

no apl support for the double shiv build we're working on it atm

[spice surge]

We are at the part of the m+ cycle where we only care about ST

[loud hearth]

Am I missing something, why is it so hard to press 2 x Rupture in 2 GCDs?

To try not put it on small mobs or something?

[winged sun]

it does sim very high atm

will post later when im done with the apl kinda holding atm

kinda busy

@midnight mist

btw zac

[swift bluff]

Oh boy

Here we go go

[winged sun]

i tried fixing the double shiv in sims but idk

it still keeps double shiving

in a row

like i can see it in the gcds still

i wonder if double shiving is good because of supercharger but that doesnt make sense

[spice surge]

Why wouldnt that make sense

Ofc you would want supercharger during deathmark

[winged sun]

double shiving back to back sounds extremely cooked

[real pike]

ok classic tedious vault question - do I take the socket that sims slightly higher or the mythic cloak (currently have crafted) that's an upgrade but lower than socket

cause socket is there every week but who knows when I'll see a cloak again

[golden loom]

who knows maybe u take sprocket cloak with dinar

[hidden crown]

question is Iron Wire worth taking?

[celest crescent]

if you have a good base for it, take a socket

[real pike]

think jastor/trinket is more likely

[golden loom]

well we have 3 dinars

[spice surge]

It costs damage but the effect is insane

[real pike]

I have a gemless mythic belt

[celest crescent]

it helps, but costs you SBS

[spice surge]

For pugging i would recommend it, youre more likely deplete due to kicks going through than on time

[real pike]

when do we get #2 and 3

[spice surge]

You get 1 every week, and every item costs 3

First week you get 3 instead of 1

[hidden crown]

mostly asking to make detonate at the start of mechagon dungeon easier

[real pike]

yeah so realistically by the time I get a second we might be done with the tier

[hidden crown]

but unsure what to sacrifice

[real pike]

deffo third

[coral ibex]

thats tough man are people just not kicking or stopping at all

[spice surge]

Its in the guide, but 2nd shiv typically

[real pike]

ffs it's socket isn't it

I know the real answer is those numbers are so small it doesn't fucking matter

but I can't live with my vault having no meaning 🥲

[coral ibex]

just take the cloak

[gusty mirage]

At that rate it’s whatever you want tbh

[golden loom]

I mean my choice today was either a socket or just taking another myth track chestpiece that had indestructible

[real pike]

yeah you guys are right

also the cloak has speed

so fuck it I'm cloaking up

[coral ibex]

fuck you

i still have no terts

[gusty mirage]

Cloak probably worth the margin loss because more health

[coral ibex]

[gusty mirage]

Lies

You have +100 of my love on every slot

[coral ibex]

is that within margin of error

[gusty mirage]

My love in unsimmable

Ask @marble hemlock

[marble hemlock]

ye it breaks the calculations

[nocturne geyser]

hello. I'm new to the game I wanted to know what weak aura I use for assassination rouge?

[coral ibex]

personal preference

there are many to choose from

[nocturne geyser]

I was watching a video from Shindigg in youtube and I really liked the one he was using I wanted to know what is its name

[coral ibex]

i dont know what wa he uses, probably whispyr's afenar edit

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[nocturne geyser]

ty

[swift bluff]

Anyone know this yet? When dinars go live, I’ve full cleared H on my rogue, but haven’t even entered on Paladin. Is the Paladin able to access the hero track raid gear? Basically, is that accessibility account wide?

[analog field]

probably not , but not sure

[west crown]

Not account wide

[spice surge]

It shouldnt be account wide no

[west crown]

But iirc they said hero isn’t locked behind completion

[jaunty lotus]

Hey whispyr, was that post about the one button just the rotation or rotation plus GCD penalty?

[spice surge]

But afaik you can buy the heroic ones without any pre-requisites

[analog field]

I thought clearing the normal one no ?

[coral ibex]

dont you have to kill some raid bosses tho

[analog field]

but still easy to do

[coral ibex]

like you dont have to kill a specific boss but i think you need to kill 4 bosses on like

[spice surge]

Ye you have to kill the bosses, but you can do that on normal or lfr

[coral ibex]

LFR or normal

[west crown]

Well you have to kill the bosses to get the chips regardless

[spice surge]

No you can do keys

[west crown]

Oh true they just changed it. Forgor

[swift bluff]

Yea I think they just meant easier effort. If you needed the chips and boss kills, two birds

[spice surge]

For sure

[swift bluff]

My Paladin has resilient but haven’t raided so I just wanted to see if I should try to pug hero this week lol. I basically just wanted the damn Tome

[wise plume]

hero is easy

[west crown]

Going to get even easier next reset with gear

[swift bluff]

So might just ignore raid idk. Time is the factor. Twin pups. Dad life setting in

[coral ibex]

wait you dont need to kill any raid bosses at all to get the raid items?

you can kill m+ bosses to get hero raid items?

[spice surge]

If you have killed gally on normal or lfr you can buy the hero ring

[west crown]

I think m+ gives you chips and 12 resil gives you access to m+ items

[short sedge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

so an emplusser with no raid kills and no resil 12's gets chips and can't buy shit with them?

[wise plume]

mythic signet and pacemaker here i come

[coral ibex]

insane work gj blizzard

[spice surge]

What? They can buy myth track dungeon trinkets

[ebon glen]

They should have just done it how they did at the end of Dragonflight tbh. Much better system.

[west crown]

Only with 12 resil

[coral ibex]

no, you need resil 12's to buy dungeon trinkets?

[spice surge]

Oh you said no resil, mb

[coral ibex]

yea for the emplusser andy who hasn't done 12's

they get chips

and can't buy shit

[spice surge]

Well ye but just do lfr for 15 minutes

[last hinge]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[coral ibex]

i thought the whole point of the emplusser complaint was "i have no time for raid i only have time for m+"

[analog field]

one of the points also was the gear, cause everyone wants seaforium and signet

[coral ibex]

surely the people who can't time 12's yet are the ones who would actually "need" the free gear the most

[analog field]

ofc but let's be real some gear should be gatekeeped, like jastor mythic yeah i want it but i should have killed gally firstly

[ruby birch]

Why do they need the free gear

[coral ibex]

for sure, i dont think they should get anything tbh

[inland dirge]

there are certainly a mix of valid and not so valid reasons for the complaints

[ruby birch]

Just get gear by clearing content

Dinar should be blp

Not free gear

[coral ibex]

if the dinar was bad luck protection it would require multiple weeks of killing the same boss to unlock the loot

[ruby birch]

Well no

Because vault

[ebon glen]

Not really

[inland dirge]

a lot of people seem to have made the false assumption that dinar = free mythic loot despite this not being a fated season idk

[coral ibex]

as it stands i'm gonna kill oab this week and then just redeem my HOC next week

[ebon glen]

vault is rng

[coral ibex]

that isn't bad luck protection

that's just free loot for 1 kill

"i didnt get the drop after 1 kill" isn't bad luck

[inland dirge]

it’s definitely not bad luck protection for one kill no

I do think they missed the mark

[coral ibex]

it would have made more sense to have it on the raid renown track

if at all

[inland dirge]

would be nice if higher keys had some system for loot, though I’m not sure what that would look like

[ebon glen]

I mean, after 1 kill applies to some people, sure but not everyone. Same with M+ dinars and vault luck.

[coral ibex]

i mean if you are relcearing the full raid rn without the free loot, do you need it

are guilds reclearing up to mugzee during prog?

[inland dirge]

not for farm but definitely for prog next tier right

[coral ibex]

surely you extend at that point

[ruby birch]

The thing is, it still serves as blp

[ebon glen]

Some people feel that they do, and with that arguement why do you care if they give "free loot" to anyone at all? Lol it doesn't affect you 1 bit other than you also get "free loot" so be happy.

[ruby birch]

That’s its purpose

[coral ibex]

you can make this argument for literally any achievement of any kind in this game

[ebon glen]

Race to world first is over, season is likely half way or more than half over, really doesn't matter at all at this point. Just lets ppl try shit they want to try and haven't had the luck to get yet.

[coral ibex]

do the people for whom the season is not over and prog is still in full swing not matter? why is the assumption that everyone would just want to receive free loot to accelerate their time in the raid

[ruby birch]

I think a lot of the fun is stripped from WoW when you play retail because the loot is so terrible. Everyone goes for the same rings and trinkets and it’s all concentrated one one or two bosses that barely drop any loot to begin with

[humble verge]

ring made me bonkers today :DDD

[ruby birch]

Dinars are a bandaid solution

[coral ibex]

like why even have hall of fame

you didnt win RWF

who cares

[ruby birch]

Well there’s a distinction there lol

[coral ibex]

just give out free loot after RWF

[ruby birch]

Not every guild has 20 hours a day to play

[inland dirge]

loot isn’t real and can’t hurt me

alalala

[coral ibex]

you can make the same argument at every level

[ruby birch]

But there still should be an achievement for higher performing guilds

[coral ibex]

why?

you didn't kill it first

[ruby birch]

Because that distinguishes them

A 9 hour guild that’s still on sprocket for example isn’t as good as one that cleared no?

[coral ibex]

you think WR10 and WR500 are remotely similar in achievement?

both are in HOF no?

[ruby birch]

No but wr500 isn’t in hof

[coral ibex]

ok whatever the cutoff for HOF is

500 was off the cuff

[ruby birch]

But you can’t just make a random argument

[ebon glen]

you're cooked lmao. you take 1 thing and make it extreme. people went half the season not getting specific items they want to try out, haven't gotten yet through bad luck or whatever it may be, now is a fair enough time to dish out some bad luck protection to people. Dont really see an issue with that. Specially since they have already been doing something similar the last 2 or so xpacs anyways.Not like it's a new concept. Would maybe be different if this was the first time it's happened

[ruby birch]

Not knowing the cutoff

[wise plume]

huh

[ruby birch]

Hof was originally the top 100 guilds in the world (faction dependent)

So often alliance hof was mocked

[coral ibex]

i dont think there's any argument that guilds who get HOF early are significantly better than guilds who get hof in the last day of the last reset right

[ruby birch]

They merged and increased it to 250 I believe

[inland dirge]

correct me as I’m wrong but weren’t both instances for fated

[coral ibex]

they were

[inland dirge]

big difference then

[coral ibex]

you got free loot because raids rotated weekly

and the season didnt matter

[ebon glen]

Sure, but the system itself is relatively the same.

[coral ibex]

it isn't tho

there's 1 raid and it isn't a fated season

[inland dirge]

it’s inherently different

[coral ibex]

i think there's an argument to be made that if you really want to see the best players in HOF then you should actually just give out full loot after RWF and see who the actually most skilled players are, since surely they are who will kill the boss quickest no?

[cosmic robin]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[ebon glen]

lmao ok, you wanna be so technical for no reason. Sure, obviously I get it's fated vs not fated, but the idea of free loot is the same in either case. And it makes majority of the player base happy and keeps them playing or trying new builds/specs/classes bcuz of it.

[ebon glen]

I do agree with this for sure.

[coral ibex]

technical for no reason when the reason matters

ok

[wise plume]

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[ruby birch]

I think this simply benefits guilds who raid more hours even more

In truth

Hof is mainly just guilds who raid a LOT

[coral ibex]

no, hof is also mostly a skill check

[ruby birch]

Some guilds just don’t deserve it

It really isn’t

[inland dirge]

eh

[ruby birch]

It was a comp check and time check this tier

[inland dirge]

yes and no

[haughty flicker]

obviously it still takes a lot of skill, but there is a significant advantage to just being able to raid more days than other guilds

[ruby birch]

Raiding 2x as much outweighs any skill gaps at some point

[inland dirge]

I’ve certainly never engaged in egregious levels of OT for HoF, how dare you!

brb need to make logs private

[haughty flicker]

ethical gaming

[ruby birch]

I’d like to pretend like hof is a measure of skill

But for like 70% at least of the guilds in there

It’s just raiding a lot

[coral ibex]

you dont get to the point of going for OT to get HOF without already being good enough to be in the position to potentially get HOF with OT

theres a minimum of skill required

i dont think yall are being honest about how high it is

[ruby birch]

Yes there’s a minimum

But I guarantee you

[inland dirge]

any instances of OT, being hypothetical, would have been a result of being held at gunpoint

[vivid mulch]

Anyone got a good omnicd profile?

[ruby birch]

Some of these guilds would not make it if they raided like 6-9 hours

[inland dirge]

[ruby birch]

So while there is a minimum skill requirement

There’s also time

[wise plume]

anyone else play w/ damage numbers off?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-perhaps-gif-25872304

[wise plume]

esp on big pulls, i couldn't see a damn thing

[coral ibex]

no i need to see how big my dry shiv envenoms are

its very important

[wise plume]

i might turn it back on just for charged venom w/ dn

[viscid spear]

To me it's just people with more enthusiasm and time for the game.

[vivid mulch]

those 12m dry shivs mhhhhh

[whole snow]

Does atrophic stack per rogue

[ruby birch]

Yeah and a lot of funemployment

[wise plume]

p sure

[whole snow]

What the fuk

When did that change

[spice surge]

Mid dragonflight or so

[inland dirge]

I use an ancient addon that organizes them off to the side so I don’t have a bunch of numbers everywhere in the middle of my screen

[whole snow]

[wise plume]

do share, bc I use sctcombat text for the extra flair, but it becomes a nightmare

[spice surge]

Very very few raids have more than 1 rogue though, and more than 2 is practically unheard of

[royal lantern]

its like

if it actually matters, they remove it

[spice surge]

Due to being among the most unpopular classes

[royal lantern]

but it never did

so

[whole snow]

Yeah I guess they’d prob only do something about it if people were stacking like 4 rogues for tons of dr

[wise plume]

too much brrrrr on screen

[inland dirge]

It’s MSBT which I’m sure is older than the majority of those that frequent the quarant- I mean outlaw channel at this point

[shy axle]

is it already known what the m+ dinar pool includes? only trinkets?

[last hinge]

Hey chaps, what shiv/tea macro do you use? tried the one with castsequence to avoid double using tea but when I spam, I sometimes double use shiv :/

[pastel roost]

Anyone got the Fan of knives command ? to know when to and not to use FoK ?

!Fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[pastel roost]

nvm answered my own question :p

[wise plume]

using this charged build w/o garrote is frying my brain

[normal mist]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[normal mist]

this one

[pulsar ice]

is this bait or are we actualy replacing cyrce

heavy crit low mastery miniature roulette 678

[last hinge]

sometimes during DM burst, I sometimes accidently cast two shivs in succession while spamming using this macro... Is there a way to prevent that?

[hidden bay]

Yes

Don’t have to see numbers

[normal mist]

why are you spaming the macro

you just need to get 1 shiv out

even if you quickly spam it twice, if its on the same GCD, it shouldnt get a 2nd shiv out

[last hinge]

I know, there might be a delay with my WA not telling me it's applied or something, I'll figure it out thanks!

[vast shuttle]

is 2.5m dps good on gally hc?

[inland dirge]

how else am I going to know when to whine at my tanks and gaol havers when I’m not getting caustic value

(answer: it’s because it’s always fucked)

[normal mist]

probably

check your log

I did 2.2M with 650 ilvl on my first kill

that was a 69 parse at the time

[vast shuttle]

thats crazy

it hasnt uptate yet but it says something pruple 86%

[normal mist]

then its good

from all the hc kills done by assa rogues, you're top 14% basically

[vast shuttle]

daaamn

dint now u used splatter before so i did it on bosses with some adds and it worked alot

[normal mist]

We use spatter on 7 out of 8 bosses

[vast shuttle]

what boss we dont?

[spice spire]

Sprocket

[normal mist]

^

[spice spire]

The one boss with 0 adds

[vast shuttle]

coc?

[hidden bay]

i have a weakaura that show spatter range AROUND ME, so i just tell our tank to move where i am like amount of mobs in my spatter range

[glass grotto]

Is the offhand still the 2nd biggest upgrade you can get after mainhand? I crafted a mainhand dagger for my alt rogue and now have another 60 crests, should I just craft a 2nd dagger since I wont have access to mythic track daggers from the raid?

[normal mist]

it never was

its the LAST

you literally couldn't care less about offhand

You'd probably sim better by crafting / upgrading everything else before your offhand

[vast shuttle]

what setting do u use for simming gear

[normal mist]

depends

top gear - patchwerk for raid encounters

dungeonslice for m+

[vast shuttle]

do u equip builts too?

[normal mist]

i usually grab the simc with the respective build

[normal mist]

so i dont have to do it on the sim

[vast shuttle]

this is my settings

are they wrong?

[normal mist]

your missing raid buffs

[coral ibex]

you're using mana oil instead of whetstones too

[vast shuttle]

what is whetstones?

wich whete stone should i use?

[inland dirge]

I have one for sub but I haven’t configured one for caustic, lob that

[jaunty lotus]

Ironclaw whetstone is a consumable you can apply to your daggers

[lunar pond]

Not relevant now, and maybe I have a bad memory, but mutilate used to be weapon damage based. I was away from the game ~7 years and don’t recall when it changed to AP basis

[vast shuttle]

wich do u use crit/haste?

[coral ibex]

whetstones give AP

[jaunty lotus]

Whetstone gives AP instead of secondaries

There's only one type

[vast shuttle]

bought 100 now

[sly raft]

hi all,
is it optimal to keep 100% uptime on scent of blood ? or like if the adds are 20-30% hp u just keep cleaving on prio target ?

[normal mist]

Scent of blood = more agility = more damage AND more energy Regen

[normal mist]

It does not matter

[sly raft]

Yeah i know this, was just wondering if the time spent rupturing 4 adds would be worth over spamming the main target to cleave them

In scenarios where they are low hp

[normal mist]

It's a case by case really, but if the adds are low and you have no garrote / ruptures going, you're gonna starve

[sly raft]

👍🏻

Ty

[normal mist]

Besides, sudden demise

[red schooner]

Surely tonight we kill Sprocket. Pray for me.

[analog field]

30% in 10's are a lot different than 30% in 15's

i guess in 10's a shiv and a ct will suffice to finish the pack

[normal mist]

Assuming the other 2 DPS know how to press their buttons

Which isn't always the case hehe

[red wolf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[glass grotto]

Is there an easy way on plater to change the color of targets affected by rupture? Kinda gets hectic If I wanna apply rupture to many targets on big pulls with carnage

[paper tapir]

There’s a mod in whispyrs plater

That changes plater color based on a few things, pretty easy to change it to how you want

Good for desthstalker too

[glass grotto]

ty

[analog field]

i want to transmute 45 runes to 15 gilded but i have space for only 12 gilded... is there something i can do ?

i wanted to fully upgrade before raid

[spice spire]

Run a dungeon

But also if you transmute now you get less influx next week

[hidden bay]

No

Run a dungeon as suggested

[analog field]

doesn't matter though as i don't have anythig to spend crests on one last upgrade remaining now

[analog field]

yeah raid time in 10

[glad holly]

Could also run a high delve really quick

[hidden bay]

Then kill first boss and then upgrade

[analog field]

i did them with the wrong order

if i knew it i would firstly transmute then run dungeon

but i ran the dungeon and now i have this issue

[sage basin]

out of luck then if you have raid in 10mins

[analog field]

yeah didn't think of it ty though

[brazen sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lyric vale]

Guyso

If i shadowstep on mugze bombs will it explode?

[wet spire]

probably

never had the balls to try it lol

[lyric vale]

SameXd

I took the arrow like a man

[coral ibex]

?

[lyric vale]

And got called wothless by raid leader well

At least we didn't wipe

[coral ibex]

why didn't you just go do the mech

[wet spire]

could try just hitting someone else with the ice

[hidden bay]

why would you ever shadowstep a bomb

[wet spire]

lol

[hidden bay]

if you cant make it in time its simply your fault for being slow and bad pre-position

[coral ibex]

you ate the arrow instead of baiting it behind a bomb because...?

[slate crown]

This mf has a will to live, everyone point and laugh

[lyric vale]

I couldnt reach them

[coral ibex]

crazy work

[hidden bay]

i actually dont

irl

[lyric vale]

Jesus i need therapy i think

[slate crown]

[coral ibex]

shadowstep to someone else who is close and then do the mech?

[lyric vale]

Im not that good

Bombs seems easier

For real no one ever tried it?

Techniclly it should work

Cuz u shadowstep behind the target

Lemme troll a pug later in the night

To see how it works

[spice spire]

I’d never do that to my boy herp

He’s a nice lad

[hidden bay]

Let us know

I do know you can shadow step mugzee while spinning after charge and you have no issues getting hit

Technically if you shadow step a bomb you usually auto attack, that means you would break root

[past bobcat]

yes it explodes

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gray briar]

question about haste stat,
i have 3 % haste (2200 points) which feels far to less for me

speaking ONLY for m+ (i dont do raid)
shouldnt i at least go for ~6-7%
Haste also increases the tickrate for poisons right?

[bitter briar]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[royal lantern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[limpid aurora]

how many sparks should you have at this point?

[stark halo]

5.5

[limpid aurora]

next week we get our next half?

[unreal tide]

Yup

Think with super boost event next week you might even be able to buy more sparks with valor stones, think I saw that somewhere dunno 100%

[frank trench]

Yes

[humble verge]

LETS FUCKING GO

MUGZEE IS DEAD

[coral ibex]

jarvis post a react mp4

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-gif-16440424583004264571

[humble verge]

me rn

[coral ibex]

1 2 STEP IN THE BOX

🗣️

[thorny rain]

Im comparing my log to another rogue's log and trying to see combo points spent. Anyone know how to do that. This is what Im using btw. Thanks in advance

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/NdDagR3ATjv4WPHk/zdcnFxNrD86Mhj7L?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=184%2C270

[spice surge]

If youre wondering why somebody did way more damage with envenom than you its because youre not using your darkest nights well

He had 32 procs of it and you had 22

[thorny rain]

ok, can you explain a bit more?

[spice surge]

You need to use a max combo point envenom

To use darkest night

[thorny rain]

ok i got it

[spice surge]

Otherwise youre playing without hero talents

Until you do

[thorny rain]

yup yup. so no matter what, when you get the proc build until full to spend

[spice surge]

Yes

[golden loom]

what a beauty of a execute phase on the OAB kill pull

[thorny rain]

this is all I have sadly. I did this kill like an hr ago and just compaired myself to the top rogue. I use to CE raid on my rogue and trying to get back after it, but i dont know why my damage sucks lol

[humble verge]

i actually got purple logs on mugzee

didnt think i would

[cerulean nest]

got every single mechanic on our kill last night lol

managed a purp still thankfully

[vast shuttle]

do u run bleed build in all mythic +s?

[grand trail]

i just got mythic hoc and noticed it do not cover all of kb/dm if i macro it to dm

do you guys dealy it with kb?

[spice surge]

Nop

Kb not great anyway

It doesnt matter

[sage basin]

You can - especially if you're not planning to do 17s

[grand trail]

eleem is mythic eye of kezan any good

got it too

[spice surge]

If the fight is not short ye

[vast shuttle]

i dont get why we are not playing with the top rogues build

[spice surge]

Because it does less damage if things die fast

[sage basin]

Because damage profile changes as stuff lives longer

[grand trail]

yeah its kinda cringe

fortunaly all 3 last bosse live pretty long and are all about excurte

[hexed frost]

Has anyone tried replacing shrouded suffocation with vicious or dashing on the hybrid m+ build?

It's a 5% dps loss but wanted to know how it feels playing like

[sage basin]

You kingsbane a mob and it dies 3s into KB and just feels bad to hold it all the time

just play bleed

[coral ibex]

because the mobs in your keys die well before any kind of concern for priority damage happens

and you aren't missing key timers because of low boss damage

[thorn thorn]

Dear Diary life has been good since I macro tea to shiv

[loud light]

also I promise you will hate not having subterfuge if you've been playing with it for the better part of a year

[coral ibex]

i mean by all means go rip some keys with those talents

[solar wyvern]

Yes in high keys (17+) people play dashing + 2 shivs instead of garrote talents with FI

[coral ibex]

nobody can stop you

see for yourself

[grand trail]

idk i feel like i should dealy hoc little with racial too

[vast shuttle]

i see its only for the highest keys but zeroo said i can do it in +13 but ye his nmr 1 aswell

[winged sun]

my gear's on fire cuh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[hexed frost]

Link to the build?

[coral ibex]

you dont have problems with signet giving you crit?

[solar wyvern]

God i wish that were me

[coral ibex]

or do you not care

[solar wyvern]

He has 24000 mastery

[coral ibex]

/it doesnt matter

[solar wyvern]

Whys it giving crit?

[vast shuttle]

how are u so fking lucky with that ring lol

everyone ha sit

[winged sun]

it never gives me crit

wdym

??

[loud light]

pacemaker + alchemical chaos won't put his crit over mastery at those numbers

[coral ibex]

because with a pacemaker proc and flask on crit it could? idk

ok

[royal lantern]

hero signet lmao are you even trying

[winged sun]

no

ofc not

[coral ibex]

i have similar stat spread and signet gives me crit sometimes

[winged sun]

trinket+flask wont give 13k stats

[coral ibex]

dont shoot me

[solar wyvern]

Pewpew

[winged sun]

[solar wyvern]

You're on a list!

[winged sun]

crit+pacemaker

crit flask

this is just my raid gear

gonna swap abit back to m+ now

prob should've gotten ascendance but w.e

[vast shuttle]

i just dont get the build the top rogues use cause u can barely garr ur targets

its low dps in cleave no?

[sage basin]

you don't garrote with zeross build, you're relying on caustic and crimson tempest

[coral ibex]

[sage basin]

cause stuff lives a lot longer

You don't need to play KB for 13 keys, I pugged 15s just doing bleed build cause trash gets deleted and speeds the dungeon up

[vast shuttle]

i see

its only for +15 onwards?

[winged sun]

garrote 1-6 targets with my build

probably 6 only with IC

[coral ibex]

its for rank 1 keys

if you arent doing rank 1 keys

dont think about it

its that easy

just play bleed build

[winged sun]

its simming the same as bleed build for me

bleed build only sims higher at lower target counts

[real pike]

so I just had 2 Mugzee pulls, both to the same % with 100k dps difference between them. Is that natural variance or did I do something different/wrong/right?

[coral ibex]

blindside procs, seal fate procs, etc

[winged sun]

and bleed build technically oversims and undersims because it places garrotes and ruptures on non bleeded mobs

so it always gets 3

and sudden demise doesnt count in logs so u can take that too

[coral ibex]

"oversims and undersims"

[winged sun]

well 2 different things

[coral ibex]

brother is the number too high or too low

[winged sun]

so yea

wouldn't say high for a 15 or above

[sage basin]

lots of people just fuck up their KB windows too though, bleed build just easier for most people that aren't used to key pushing and playing KB

[winged sun]

but u have to play the hybrid shiv build perfect

[spice surge]

So does IC though

[winged sun]

to do good dmg

i tried few low keys i did rly high dmg on it

but idk

[spice surge]

Unless you maintarget the same mob ofc

[winged sun]

wont touch low keys again till next week

[shell kraken]

Q: In m+, are you running bleed-specc as wowhead suggest or still KB (as most according to Acrhon still)?

[winged sun]

if ur new or bad at sin rogue just play bleed build

[coral ibex]

[sage basin]

lol, just talked about it

[winged sun]

its way easier to play

[real pike]

ok so not significant enough

[coral ibex]

read the channel bruh

literally talking about it

[winged sun]

like

lets keep it that way

90+ logs

u can prob try the hybrid shiv build

[uneven plume]

@winged sun I like this new build. I’m doing 2mil+ ST and prios get deleted. Blazikon got nuked in 2 1/2 minutes in my hw 18 with funnel

[winged sun]

otherwise

dont bother

because you'll probably just play super bad and do 0 dps

[vast shuttle]

saw ur stream just now and it was 2 targets and u barely used mutalite and just fan of knives many many times should i do the same if its 2 targets?

[winged sun]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[winged sun]

read this

[winged sun]

ye

2.4m dps deathmark in 30 sec

[uneven plume]

Yah. Even in priory our time is much faster even though I give up aoe

[winged sun]

?

but its a 1 min fight so ye

1:28

[vast shuttle]

dint understand a thing xd my wow language is dog

[winged sun]

well

if ur playing hybrid

2 targets

thats an easy way to do it

[loud light]

the fok rules are based on which talents you have

[brave comet]

rogue buffs when

[loud light]

it might be a good idea to know which talents you have

[vast shuttle]

And if bleed build?

[coral ibex]

bruh

look at your talents

then read the bot message

[winged sun]

nooj — 12:47 AM
bruh

[waxen oyster]

Ngl don't ask about hybrid build

if you need to ask ts

[winged sun]

+1

means

1 more target

is needed

to

cast

FoK

ok?

like idk its worded well

[coral ibex]

ok but what if i have bleed build

[winged sun]

AAAAAAAAAAA

[balmy condor]

I did the math