assassination

[spice spire]

Ye I still find it funny that it wants to garrote at all. At that point but gains are gain

[strange tundra]

post da builds

[spice spire]

Camel time

[winged sun]

So u can ignore shiv in aoe with non arterial builds

[cosmic robin]

All about envenom spread and poison bombs huh

[winged sun]

@spice spire btw

Shiv only 5 targets or less

In aoe

Unless lingering darkness is up

[spice spire]

That was kind of the bit before as well.
It’s always there for prio, but for raw aoe it’s not been a thing.

This also is for non AP in general tho.

[winged sun]

Then u can use it ar higher target counts

[winged sun]

Yeah its just mainly a supercharger thing

[spice spire]

Lingering makes sense never thought about it since you’re spatter maxing

Then makes you think

[winged sun]

But ye i tried shiv in real gameplay i barely has effect on spatter dmg

[spice spire]

Should you just GIGA nuke a shitter with dm for giga spatter pad with lingering

[winged sun]

Maybe just a few %s

Could just be the extra slow poison proccing on the shiv’ed mob

[wise plover]

Holy shit zeross with math may be too powerful

[lime flame]

on your opinion for rogue, what is the best race for scaling in m+ and overall?

[haughty flicker]

whichever one you think has the best transmog

[lime flame]

i picked the undeath

[runic hinge]

it's so close it doesnt matter

[lime flame]

cool

[coral ibex]

lol why even bother pugging gally

[runic hinge]

yeah just pick the one you like the most

[coral ibex]

never seen a jastor in my life

[nova aspen]

i saw a jastor once

[runic hinge]

one dropped for us sunday, i did not win

[nova aspen]

i rolled a 19

[spice spire]

The tanks are happy

[hollow talon]

we take those

[timber meadow]

damn, weas tricksing adds on bee boss and actually ripped threat on boss... assa funnel is real af

[coral ibex]

i'm so happy for them quake

truly

my soul sings for their good fortune

[hollow talon]

this badboi has avoidance

sheeesh

looks cool in game too

sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

[nova aspen]

🐄

[spice spire]

That trinket is a quakewar staple

[low thicket]

definitely not mecha gnome

[idle needle]

Does anyone know if having super low haste is going to screw me over? I'm like 663 ilvl and after crafting my most recent piece of gear I realized I'm at like 18k crit and mastery, but only 5k haste. I get crit and mastery are better stats, but would it be problematic having so little haste?

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[idle needle]

Noticed in a dungeon last night that my numbers seemed good, but i found myself running into more frequent down time

[coral ibex]

downtime is normal

thats how the spec is

[low thicket]

Having little haste isn't a big deal

[coral ibex]

you can't get the amount of haste you'd need to fix that "problem"

[granite leaf]

Anyone have the sim screenshot of the one button rotation % loss?

[idle needle]

I know it's normal, but in the run it was happening noticeably more often. I understand that's there's no recommended stat level, but I wasn't sure if by it getting so low I'd see problems. Especially since using the jewelry I normally would it dropped it to barely over 3k haste which just seems crazy low

But fair enough

[runic hinge]

you can sim recrafting all your gear to haste mastery and see its not gonna be much different

[balmy condor]

to put it into perspective, around 7k haste results in 2 extra actions per minute

it's very small

[sand jewel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

dont wanna project my anxiety or anything but we getting corruptions in 2 week

[coral ibex]

what are you worried about

its just a passive head enchant

who cares

[rotund oak]

on being outshined by most specs that scale better?

[coral ibex]

well they were already ahead of you then since they scale better and you have the same amount of stats

[haughty flicker]

if you're worried about that i'd be more worried about next week

and the ilvl

[coral ibex]

yea i'm gonna have to do like 20 12 keys next week to get all my crests

[rotund oak]

im worried about rogue in general

[golden loom]

wooooohooo I looooooooove m+

[coral ibex]

im not really worried

[rotund oak]

well not for outlaw,corpses dont come back to life out of nowhere

[coral ibex]

rogue isn't good enough to nerf in any way really

if anything i'd expect some kind of simplification so more people play it

[sonic pagoda]

rogue needs a buff

[rotund oak]

hope they dotn touch sin

[golden loom]

a buff?

[spice spire]

Explain the events after the first boss of theater then buddy

[vital haven]

sub rogue*

[golden loom]

well sub maybe

[spice spire]

Checkmate

[sonic pagoda]

rogue warlcok mage hutner should all be top of the meters in every aspect

Dont't @ me i said what i said

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-ridiculous-thats-not-ridiculous-to-say-that-thats-not-ridiculous-meme-gif-11489839477285394127

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[rotund oak]

irrelevant,both sides

[coral ibex]

pure dps classes should be top of the meter because that's all they can do

pay the hybrid tax

[sonic pagoda]

pay the hybrid tax

or ima pickpocket that ish

[rotund oak]

best i can pay is a 2nd shiv for IW

[sonic pagoda]

fuck i gotta make a decision on which race to swap to off tauren

tired of looking at this priate cow

[golden loom]

human

[coral ibex]

undead

undead

[rotund oak]

human

[coral ibex]

undead

undead

[golden loom]

retail undead

IS SHIT

[coral ibex]

[normal mist]

EXACTLY

[golden loom]

they ruined it so fucking hard

[rotund oak]

now that royal is here

just ask him for a photo of his rogue

[rotund oak]

its gorgeous

[sonic pagoda]

lol im not swapping to human too much money

[normal mist]

PEAK

[golden loom]

and its not even just the looks

its the animations

[normal mist]

YEP

[sonic pagoda]

gah damn that is one sexy som bech

[normal mist]

Trying to do naxx before reset

[golden loom]

poisonproc animation, evis, autoattacks, sinisterstrike, spell cast everything so good

😦

[timber meadow]

you're saying i can have 30 extra seconds of feint every minute without losing any dps? massive

[sonic pagoda]

do the updated undead animations not look good?

[golden loom]

they are just worse, cause the old ones are the peak

[normal mist]

Updated undeads look like shit

[golden loom]

nothing interesting about updated

[sonic pagoda]

ima go look around at my horde orgues and attack things just to check lol this is an important decision. WIth being a hardcore casual raider byut the time i get anywhere close to clearing mythic content we are buffed to shit so race does not matter

[rotund oak]

for retail horde ild say

orc

[coral ibex]

belf so you can have the grippers out

[golden loom]

Blood elf

[rotund oak]

for alliance human

[runic hinge]

royal guess what

[rotund oak]

blood elf is cringe

[late niche]

Gnome

[rotund oak]

gnomes are satan

[golden loom]

only playable races are Human, velf, nelf and belf

[sonic pagoda]

i cant play blood elf. its just not who i am

[normal mist]

What

[sonic pagoda]

more of a tauren, troll, orc, undead kind of guy

[normal mist]

LETS GOOOOOOO

Crafted?!

[spice spire]

Like the band or?

[normal mist]

or BMAH?

[ebon glen]

Goblin has the best stealth animation tbh

[golden loom]

goblin dwarf and gnome have the problem of being small tho

small and big classes are awkward

[runic hinge]

bmah every peice

[ebon glen]

I see we got a size queen over here SMH

[golden loom]

gotta be human sized

[rotund oak]

Human >>>> all

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[ebon glen]

human would be cool if we still had the rep racial. le sigh

[restive glade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361602054203768832/1369340993568243733/image.png?ex=681b81ad&is=681a302d&hm=001785eafae7e73d314974036921682f0e87b3864e4498bcf0e86b72f59357e4&

😼

[golden loom]

double hearthstone and the stats are good racials and the CC break is decent aswell

[coral ibex]

i think i should have the option to choose if i want to sheathe my weapons on my hips or my back and NOT be beholded to what blizzard thinks!

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[golden loom]

im so happy warblades are daggers for some reason tho

[normal mist]

Lets ask blizzard to add the AQ10 bonus set again into the game?

[restive glade]

glowy sword tmog fuahhhh

[ebon glen]

double hearth is about pointless to me as an engineer plus theres enough items in game to get around you dont need 2x hearth. idr ather have the reputation gain back. infinitely more gooder.

[gusty mirage]

I prefer to sheathe my weapons in my ass irl

[coral ibex]

new meta?

[gusty mirage]

Little prison pocket ya know

[restive glade]

ayo???

[coral ibex]

bet she whistles when you pull em out

[gusty mirage]

You can find out for free if you play your cards right

[coral ibex]

been slowly getting over being mad about there being zero katana mogs for daggers

beam swords will do for now

[gusty mirage]

They have nubby katana mogs for daggers

There’s 3 of them

[coral ibex]

yea i have them

[gusty mirage]

Dif hilt colors

[coral ibex]

i want something this long tho

and those are like half this length

[gusty mirage]

Sorry the tech isn’t there, small indie company

[coral ibex]

just let me mog swords over daggers

whats the problem

i can mog a sword over an axe or mace

[gusty mirage]

The best they can do is new dresses and pants for the travel log

Take it or leave it

[coral ibex]

understandable have a good day

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw rogues have been malding about it since SL when a dagger in OH was better because of poison procs

At least they can use artifact weapons to force the OH to look like a sword ig

But it’s a silly restriction either way

[barren yarrow]

The right picture is my sims, left is raid right is dungeon, i guess ill take the chest but the shoulders are crit mastery. Kind of confused.

heres side by side

[strange tundra]

😭

[strange tundra]

then we can use the legion artifact weapons 👍🏿

[clever sparrow]

i was like 12 with pug is hell

until i did 13 with pug

the problem isnt their skill

the problem is i joined 4x 13

and always smeone got dc'd

[strange tundra]

that sucks

when i was getting dc's i just hotspot from phone to pc

and not worry about it

dc is a wild thing to have x4

how unlucky are u

😭

[balmy condor]

in the future you could just link the sim itself, would be much easier than splicing screenshots together

but yeah

be like that

stats are fluid

[clever sparrow]

i have to beg ppl for invite first

then we go in

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[clever sparrow]

and someone dc

[strange tundra]

@clever sparrow do this it works for me

[barren yarrow]

trueeee i forgot about that rant a while back lol. Chest it is.

[clever sparrow]

WTF

[barren yarrow]

thanks bud @balmy condor

[clever sparrow]

i will try it 😂

[strange tundra]

bro i swear to god it works LOL

[clever sparrow]

ban chance = 99.9%

[strange tundra]

i was writing shit like

99 parser check logs etc

no invites

and i write this

easy invites lol

[clever sparrow]

im belf male tho

let me change to female

[strange tundra]

they cant see that

[clever sparrow]

HMMMMMMMMM

[jagged wasp]

hi guys did the stats change since last season? i see zeross playing versa/mastery with the hybrid build in M+

[balmy condor]

also he plays vers for some extra survivability I'm pretty sure

cause he's doing 19's

and assa is squishy

[jagged wasp]

true

[balmy condor]

not needed for 99.99% of the community

he's just playing a different game

[clever sparrow]

we arent zeross 😄

[warm lantern]

ssssshhhh dont leak my tech to everyone

[strange tundra]

its over

[barren yarrow]

who is this?

[balmy condor]

r1 m+ rogue

[normal mist]

A cook

[strange tundra]

i joined @elfin flame server and he banned me just coz of my appearance 😭

[sonic pagoda]

Wouldnt in theory vers just be better for scrubs in prog? or is it too much dmg lloss?

[barren yarrow]

uhhh addict?

[balmy condor]

zeross

[barren yarrow]

ohh

yeah i was about to say

or chainbleed

[balmy condor]

I don't even think casual is top 50 this season

isn't he playing something else

[barren yarrow]

idk? let me check lol

[nova aspen]

he's been on tournament realm for over a month too

[normal mist]

what do they do there?

[balmy condor]

that might be it

[balmy condor]

MDI practice

[nova aspen]

they do some jorkin

[barren yarrow]

nah hes not even in top 100 but yeah MDI is his juice rn so i get that

the amount of time practicing is nuts

hearing what JP was saying

[sonic pagoda]

bro new undead models are shite

[gloomy heart]

sheesh

[golden loom]

just evasion bro

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mhmm-mika-kenan-you-got-that-right-thats-what-im-talking-about-gif-3154464894801844625

[gloomy heart]

wish mage had evasion

[golden loom]

true that class needs some defensives!

[gusty mirage]

I think he swapped shaman iirc

Or was looking to swap shaman or DK

Idr

[humble verge]

ive seen him drop on dk and pally

dunno what he doing now

[sonic pagoda]

Why do the undead have so much flesh

this is disgusting

[humble verge]

we getting chinese undead models now??

can some1 post

[normal mist]

you have the choice

in the barbershop

bones, rotted flesh or goodish flesh

[humble verge]

guh

[sonic pagoda]

oh so its not taht in depth in character creation?

[normal mist]

i do not remember

but you can probably also change that on the character creation

[onyx linden]

Wait the ZG swords are moggable on daggers? Also what are the beam mogs there

[coral ibex]

zg drops daggers

[haughty flicker]

those are daggers yeah

[ripe rapids]

When they redid ZG in Cata they made those swords into daggers

[haughty flicker]

they have sword and daggy version

[coral ibex]

they used to drop mh/oh but now they're just 1h daggers

[haughty flicker]

with same model

iirc

[onyx linden]

oh wow

okay

[coral ibex]

the beam swords are gurubashi pokers with light of the earth-warder enchant

[onyx linden]

ah okay cool, ty

[coral ibex]

ive been farming heroic nefarian for the illusion: power torrent drop but no luck in 3 weeks on 3 chars

[onyx linden]

is as bright as earthwarder? how does it look on the pokers?

[coral ibex]

https://youtu.be/CoA1RqrimfQ

its like earthwarder but shifting colors

[onyx linden]

ooh i see

time to go to bwd

[clever sparrow]

i tried it and ppl are just whispering me the N word

[sonic pagoda]

fuck undead feels the best while hitting a dummy didnt try blood elf yet tho

[clever sparrow]

creating my rogue as a belf

is my biggest regret

[sonic pagoda]

heard that

[jagged wasp]

useless answer but ty for reminding me

[flint star]

"Dashing Scoundrel affects Envenom, giving it an additional 5% crit rate"

The more you know...

[runic hinge]

i need the zg daggers

[clever sparrow]

how? isnt it only poison?

[flint star]

Read this:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/assassination-rogue-mid-expansion-retrospective-hero-talents-current-issues-and-376713

Very good write-up

[coral ibex]

basically you can't trust tooltips

[flint star]

Especially tooltip section

Makes me wonder why the don't fix tooltips. It would take 30 minutes max.

[clever sparrow]

let me see

[waxen oyster]

I mean sin barely changed

besides kb got massacred

from amidrassil to now

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/bitch-ahh-gotcha-gif-24908301

so many people got jebaited by that part of the tooltip section

I'm happy it worked out

sometimes writing in that style doesn't hit correctly

[flint star]

How do you even know such things?

[clever sparrow]

ho many more 13 i need?

2 or 3?

[balmy condor]

it's my job to know things

[spice spire]

2

[willow vine]

2

[spice spire]

It depends on timing as well

[clever sparrow]

HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY

[flint star]

2 good 13

[spice spire]

Wait pause you only have 5 12-14s timed?

[willow vine]

that part is a liar

it never makes sense

[spice spire]

I mean I was like

Idk how it could make sense

I think I have the same shit but I’m only like 9 io higher

Cba looking for keys when keys with homies

[willow vine]

ye pugs are fucking rough

[flint star]

"Any rogue can tell you how painful it is to apply your mark, swap to a target for an interrupt, or to do the rest of the rotation, and then needing to go back and find the target that has the mark."

Plater coloring plugin can help with this. Also shift+tab.

[balmy condor]

call me the toilet the way it's the same shit every day

[spice spire]

Bars

Are you in the house like carpet?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, my plater does that, but why should that be a requirement to play the hero talent without getting aids

[waxen oyster]

swap target for an interrupt

do people not play with focus kick?

[balmy condor]

most do not

most players don't have macros at all

[willow vine]

i do then see that four other kicks are looking at my target too

then play the deathmark game

[flint star]

That was not the argument against "deathstalker's mark sucks". Just a way to play around it.

[balmy condor]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

tbh can you say any of the rogue hero trees

are good

with a straigh face

[balmy condor]

yes I can

because I have a killer poker face

[lyric vale]

I love it when people do low dps so i can do deathmark in execute

[coral ibex]

to be fair isn't finding your marked target in a sea of nameplates an issue for any spec that has target marking involved

[royal lantern]

you say that, but last time you where naked against quake

[coral ibex]

thats not really a problem for deathstalker and is more of a general problem

[balmy condor]

god I wish

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's a little bit absurd that it's attached to a spec that inherently wants to change targets to apply bleeds

like caustic at least you can move pretty quick

but the mark you're just stuck there

[coral ibex]

i wonder if there's some kind of fuckery they could cook up to incentivize sending ruptures with IC into your main target specifically

[lyric vale]

Somtimes when i cant find the mark i do 3 crimsone tempest i know its troll but i can swap it

[spice spire]

?

[coral ibex]

to somehow outweigh the "lost" bleeds

[balmy condor]

whats up?

[proud pelican]

Give us a cast to mass spread rupture like vile taint

[lyric vale]

Im about to get cooked here

[flint star]

What if they made the mark a button you can press?

[proud pelican]

Ruptured taint

[royal lantern]

i TOTALLY never did that

never at all, nope, no, never

[waxen oyster]

we can mass spread rupture

from IC

[spice spire]

You good or?

[coral ibex]

psh yall need to channel your inner spammer and slam that tab button

[lyric vale]

So that means ur doing it hell yeah

[balmy condor]

king I am doing wonderful on this fine tuesday

[restive glade]

shift tab saves my life with this

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story2-pixar-remote-tv-fast-gif-16355249

me finding my mark

[lyric vale]

I was about to say this

Its like a mini game tab tab tab shit tab shift tab shit tab

[waxen oyster]

its not as bad for bleed build tbh

[flint star]

Also mouseover macros

[waxen oyster]

since you're refreshing bleeds more often

anyway

[flint star]

But they can be difficult to use

[lyric vale]

Hmm mouseover good idea

As someone who play heal time to time im use to it

[flint star]

I also have focus garrote/rupture macro

[restive glade]

(never tried mouseover macros) I don’t trust wow targeting to do good with mouseover (even though ton of people use it)

[waxen oyster]

sometimes you got to send a second CT earlier

[flint star]

Helps you with doting target you want to kick

[waxen oyster]

to get some fat demise pops

[flint star]

If this target does not have bleeds

[coral ibex]

bruh this fucking magnet outsims pacemaker even at 678 for both

no WAY

[lyric vale]

May i ask somthing
Do we use CT in single?

[coral ibex]

RELEASE ME FROM 2X ON USE HELL

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/93iLkUh5UqQGqMdBssUj9X

[royal lantern]

just dont use it then??

[waxen oyster]

In bleed you do

[royal lantern]

"out sims"

[balmy condor]

nice raid buffs

[royal lantern]

bro its 0,1%

[restive glade]

bleed yes

[lyric vale]

Okayy

So even tho im bad im outperfoming people in keys damn

[coral ibex]

i am cursed to follow the yellow numbers

[brave stump]

but but

[flint star]

By "outperforming" you mean dealing more overall damage?

[waxen oyster]

i wouldnt use a dinar

[brave stump]

magnet is fun

[royal lantern]

bro, thats a blue number in normal cases lol

[waxen oyster]

arent we the onyl magnet spec

besides dh

[brave stump]

magnet looks like you throw poop at enemy

[lyric vale]

Yeah boss 😆

[lyric vale]

I think

[strange tundra]

Bro what 😭

[lyric vale]

Cuz my friends was double use trinket at start

[flint star]

Well, I play sub and in PSF, for example, I double the damage on paladins, knights and minibosses. But my overall sucks.

[glad holly]

Hey fellow gamers, my RL is looking to setup groups for mugzee and was asking if rogues can Shadowstep out of the jails right before they go up? Is this a thing I am not aware of?

[runic hinge]

No they can't

[glad holly]

I didn't think so, looks like im going void elf

[flint star]

Overall damage is ret pala mentality, We should be better than that

[lyric vale]

I know but after s3 df when i was competing with dh and palas in keys im kinda want to be top in overall

[nimble tartan]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[restive glade]

monke brain isn’t bigger than that personally, bigger dmg mean better player duh

[clever sparrow]

"NO BL BUT MOMMY MILKERS!" this works for me

😄

[autumn frost]

Is a mythic signet of the priory better then a heroic house of cards? I have an option of one with speed. And already have a heroic house of cards. Also instead of that I can get a heroic jasper's diamond. I'm never going to kill mythic one armed or gallywix but i'm already 3k io. So I can get mythic versions of every dungeon trinket.

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

sim

but yes

[balmy condor]

they're equal at equal ilvl

[royal lantern]

damm whisp faster

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not even a sim question

it's literally just

is myth track > hero track

[subtle tundra]

what if he has 0 mastery

[fresh blaze]

but house of cards has more mastry

[balmy condor]

to which the answer is

[autumn frost]

I mean jasper's diamond is the biggest dps gain

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

teaching people to sim their stuff

[autumn frost]

I have simmed it, it's just a matter of what I should grab

since we have the option of picking 3 items

[humble verge]

just dont use the magnet

4Head

stat stick amirite

[timber meadow]

m hoc is marginally better

than m priory

[clever sparrow]

this key is going to be rough

[humble verge]

1k dps

[balmy condor]

then whats the question

[balmy condor]

"marginally better"

so it's not better then

or....

[humble verge]

like

i simmed hoc and prio

the difference is basically nothing

[autumn frost]

i take the dps downgrade because i can use the loss protection on the jasper's diamond later so i can get speed later

[humble verge]

i would say, if the whole raid ran prio - it would be better than you just running hoc

[autumn frost]

is what I'm asking effectively

[balmy condor]

if we're going to argue about tiny semantics, are you taking the extra party stats into account from priory?

[autumn frost]

yes i am lol

[balmy condor]

not you

[timber meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/checkmate-check-mate-got-em-gif-6408903245572515122

[balmy condor]

do whatever you want

[autumn frost]

since i can use the bad loss protection either way

[humble verge]

nah cause i dont do math

[subtle tundra]

what about the good win protection

[humble verge]

the what now

[subtle tundra]

he said bad loss protection

[timber meadow]

imagine caring about someone else's dps

[balmy condor]

yeah it's funny how that works

we say "lmao other people's damage"

but then bitch about bad tanks

[humble verge]

wait nooj

[timber meadow]

why is dps so low with such high ilevel wtf even accounting for raid buffs

[humble verge]

u got m hoc as well

????

[balmy condor]

weird how that works

[autumn frost]

bad luck protection lol

[humble verge]

no lust

[bronze pike]

i will always complain aboutt hat

[timber meadow]

yeah i mean accounting for no raid bufs

[bronze pike]

unless im tanking

[balmy condor]

1.85 without raid buffs is pretty good

[bronze pike]

then im the best tank in the game

[humble verge]

cause thats how much raid buffs give ya

[timber meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n2TZuNDX7sGrDS42AwVbdgm am i just cracked for my ilevel?

[humble verge]

url not working

[waxen oyster]

Most tanks dont even care about their own damage

[humble verge]

sadge

[winged sun]

those sims are all just this CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZB2mBAAAAAg2WGzgZGjZmZZ2mZmBzYGDmZmNLzMDw2MLjNGzYWaMbLDT2GGWA

[bronze pike]

they should

[waxen oyster]

rogue is poop sim

needs buffs

[winged sun]

its just optimizations for that build and few other tweaks

[balmy condor]

I mean 1.85 no raid buffs is like 2.3 with

[flint star]

Most tanks do not track dps cds and make gigapulls

[bronze pike]

cause thats how you generate threat

[timber meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n2TZuNDX7sGrDS42AwVbdg

[balmy condor]

2.4 is bis

so

idk man lmao

50k more

HES INSANEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[waxen oyster]

do we actually only sim

2.4 in bis

[balmy condor]

yea

[waxen oyster]

so im 35k off

[timber meadow]

50k more with 3 less ilevels

yeah

[waxen oyster]

I have 6 crafted items

wtf is loot this season

[winged sun]

guys are any of the new enchants uncap aoe

[humble verge]

wtf is this embellish

[winged sun]

or are they all target capped

[balmy condor]

I mean you're also simming fatebound and internal bleeding lmao

be so fucking fr man

[sage basin]

that was to remove whatever embellishment was on it before

[humble verge]

prolly not

[restive glade]

when u got de-embellush

[flint star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHI4tRcugME
The guy says hybrid build sims do not work correctly. Is it true?

[timber meadow]

bro

[waxen oyster]

to give your item an extra tooltip

[humble verge]

you can just remove the item tho..?

or am i wrong

wait nvm u cant

[sage basin]

it had one -> recrafted to remove it with powder

[timber meadow]

oh ye he had caustic

that makes sense

[balmy condor]

I mean what kinda comparison is that

literally just max sim dps

[restive glade]

I tism crafted 3 embellishment 675 u have to recraft to remove so u can equip

[timber meadow]

a comparison where i come out ahead obv

[balmy condor]

for some shit you'll never play

[bronze pike]

this isnt whispyr

[strange tundra]

Just do ml and dfc

[balmy condor]

yes and no

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

sims don't work if you're simming some dumb shit

if you're simming dungeonslice and patchwerk it's fine

[flint star]

Like DS?

[restive glade]

fellas … for top mythic raid parses - are these rogues just built diff n perfect with 40mg adderall or is it kinda achievable

[humble verge]

they just get lucky - have PI

[strange tundra]

U can buy bl from auction house

[humble verge]

most of the time

[inland dirge]

all of the stimulants in the world couldn't fix me

[restive glade]

fuckin nerds getting pi (guild won’t give me it)

[waxen oyster]

PI helps

[coral ibex]

you know i simmed with caustic right

[waxen oyster]

so does having a raid that doesnt kill your spatter cleav

[coral ibex]

in my cleave build

[humble verge]

also remember, you dont just pool energy in m+

[balmy condor]

silence loser

[humble verge]

cause ya dont wanna waste your tea's outside KB tbf - well depends on the player

[waxen oyster]

kb in m+?

[timber meadow]

yeah i mentioned that earlier

[coral ibex]

do you kiss quake with that mouth?

[humble verge]

nooj

do you have hoc and prio m

[restive glade]

I’m only talking mythic raid, when u say pool energy you mean save it yea?

[coral ibex]

no

i have neither m

[humble verge]

then why are you simming

it

[humble verge]

yeah

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[coral ibex]

because i'm gonna be able to have either of them in 1 week

and i have nothing else to compare bc i cannot get more geared this week

[balmy condor]

you talk mad shit for someone who doesn't sim 1.9 no raid buffs buddy waatch yourself

[timber meadow]

aight that makes more sense https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/th5gHVDB19anoRQhSA2cg1

i was like damn seems low but then yeah noticedhe had caustic

[humble verge]

actually @balmy condor is it really that big of a dps loss if we lose envenom buff in raid encounters

[restive glade]

erm acktually I asked this last week and consensus was (in raid)

“pooling energy is stupid except for 4 second before non mark kb”

[coral ibex]

i'll have you know i sim cleave add and have NO idea what i'm doing

[balmy condor]

as opposed to.......?

[humble verge]

spamming envenoms, having no energy for the next - it runs out just before you can do a new one

[balmy condor]

yes

that is what we do

[humble verge]

wdym

just spam?

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

maybe i am stupid

[balmy condor]

sims do not track the envenom buff in any way currently

[restive glade]

join the club

[humble verge]

ah

well

not that it matters to me but

i usually pool atleast between opener kb and next

cause of not spending that tea

[waxen oyster]

tbh the biggest raid buff we got

was kb can no longer be parried

[humble verge]

ive just gone to terms with that on mugzee currently

yeah but, your envenom and rupture can still be parried

[waxen oyster]

get your dry shiv env parried

[humble verge]

(aware)

[waxen oyster]

time to alt f4

[coral ibex]

i started yelling at my monitor last night because i kept getting my pre-DM envenom parried in my opener on OAB

literally gnawing at the bars of my enclosure

let me out let me out let me out let me out let me out let me out

[humble verge]

HAHA, GET YOUR 3RD KB+DM 2ND SHIV ENVENOM PARRIED AND THEN YOU SEE YOU'RE LITERALLY #14 ON THE METERS

[balmy condor]

this dude is avoiding his tea proc

crazy work

[humble verge]

yeah

😎

rather have 1 tea for kb tho

[balmy condor]

I couldn't imagine giving so much of a shit for 0 dps

[restive glade]

do y’all actually manage teas? I just smash buttons for cds (mark + kb) and fully blow through teas early on then if I somehow consume w/e fuck it we ball

(Shiv + tea macro only shiv I can press)

[waxen oyster]

ngl sometimes you are just 14 on sprocket mid fight

pre execute

[humble verge]

in m+

i dont even know when my teas are up

nor do i care

[waxen oyster]

i mean it doesnt matter at all

[humble verge]

well

[balmy condor]

macro and forget yep

[humble verge]

id say on bosses sure

[buoyant herald]

my teas are in slow release capsules i boof before raid starts

[humble verge]

but its not 0 dps when you miss out on your last shiv charged kb envenom?

[waxen oyster]

Just chug 4 white monsters

[humble verge]

[waxen oyster]

before raid

(do not do this)

[balmy condor]

what are you even talking about my guy

[clever sparrow]

thats 15% 😦

[waxen oyster]

I like when im in a pug vault

[humble verge]

idk, feel like if im just spamming, im really close to not having enough energy in 2nd kb window, or any window outside of dm+kb tbf

[waxen oyster]

and im doing 2x the damage of the boomy and mage

yet the priest puts pi on the mage

[balmy condor]

that's why you just pool before kbs?

what are we doin

[restive glade]

gotta slide in priest dms and ask nicely

[humble verge]

yeah i am pooling, but i am also pooling with saving that extra tea tho

idk

[waxen oyster]

i dont care enough tbh

[balmy condor]

but there's no point

[waxen oyster]

my favorite is when i get PI on the rupture global

huge value

[flint star]

10k for pi should work

[balmy condor]

if you pool into kingsbanes

you're done

no more needed

no point

[timber meadow]

hm

[humble verge]

ill post u one of my vods tomorrow

and u can see if u want

[restive glade]

if ur looking to persuade (manipulate) guild to give pi when they’re pi-ing ret pally what’s y’all’s angle

[balmy condor]

I don't want

cause I don't care

[humble verge]

THEN FUCK YOU

: (

[balmy condor]

wasting my time over tea

[clever sparrow]

whats best way to find guild btw?

[balmy condor]

just fucking hit your buttons man

[coral ibex]

ret paladins getting pi bro what

[clever sparrow]

my guild stopped raiding out of nowhere

[coral ibex]

do you have no mages

or warlocks

[clever sparrow]

i kinda like them but they arent raiding 😦 is it being rude to leave the guild?

[coral ibex]

or devokers

[buoyant herald]

no

[coral ibex]

ret pala pi bro jesus christ

where am i

[humble verge]

if you wanna keep on raiding, you quit on them

[coral ibex]

i just got disoriented

[buoyant herald]

guilds are for like minded people to do whatever content together

[humble verge]

like

[restive glade]

if u wanna raid and they don’t just dip, ur paying 15$ a month to not do what u want

[humble verge]

i got poached into a CE guild from doing 5/8 in nerub

[clever sparrow]

it make sense tbh

[brave stump]

What do you wanna do with your guild then? Transmog runs?

Farm mounts together?

I mean you do you

[clever sparrow]

tbh we have 0 contents 😂

maybe 1 key per week

[humble verge]

the question is, which boss did your guild stop raiding on

[clever sparrow]

we were hardstuck on 2nd boss mythic

[timber meadow]

next week is huge for content

[humble verge]

[clever sparrow]

2nd 😄

with 39 wipes

[humble verge]

i thought most people would be stuck on stix by now

[onyx linden]

Got it second try gg

[restive glade]

guild has dps attendance problems for mythic raiding 😔

we’re making prog on rik 😼 they just started m prog 3 weeks ago

[clever sparrow]

damn

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/red-alert-c%26c-tim-curry-trying-not-to-laugh-funny-gif-12411782975325520978

happy for you

[clever sparrow]

i kinda feel like i have to leave but.. should i wait and leave at the start of next season?

is it less rude?

[coral ibex]

if your guild isn't raiding then you aren't being rude leaving

[willow vine]

bro just leave

[coral ibex]

its that simple

[buoyant herald]

"i joined to raid, you're not raiding, ty and goodbye"

[coral ibex]

"sorry guys i wanna keep progressing the tier, gg"
/gquit

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/sov-nft-halcyon-blex-gif-24996628

[brave stump]

Wow players and social skills

[onyx linden]

Flashy ass enchant

[waxen oyster]

Ok what streamer

is suddenly popularizing that again

that wep has existed since df

[clever sparrow]

is it that easy? 😄

[restive glade]

all these cool glowing daggers but have to flex legendary cata rogue daggers

[humble verge]

literally

[clever sparrow]

dude why you guys showing it so easy 😭

my social skills are sht

3 monthes not going out

i guess i have to touch some grass first

[waxen oyster]

I use the mop remix skin

[restive glade]

u got it boss grip it n rip

[waxen oyster]

to match rogue elite from tomb

[willow vine]

even better, just type /gquit and don't even say anything

[brave stump]

Hit vanish

[willow vine]

no social skills needed

[clever sparrow]

THATS RUDE!

Blind > vanish > sprint?

[waxen oyster]

i should farm darkfuse

with the rep increase

[restive glade]

anyone got some links for inspiration for sets to go with

[waxen oyster]

There's 0 sets those match

[clever sparrow]

daggers are ugly

[waxen oyster]

t8 from ulduar is the closest thing

[clever sparrow]

just give up

[restive glade]

You’re ugly

[clever sparrow]

you cant match any set with daggers

[waxen oyster]

they only look somewhat ok if you have

[brave stump]

Shark head will go hard

[waxen oyster]

wraithchill enchant

[clever sparrow]

am i? sussy~1

if you want to look cool just spec into outlaw

and show-off [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]

[inland dirge]

gotta put sinful flame on these

[strange tundra]

They don't know

[strange tundra]

I don't macro it because I have it on side mouse button and kinda wanna control it

[coral ibex]

there's no point

no gain

[strange tundra]

Where to macro it idk I press it after potion and signet is up

[coral ibex]

just taking attention from other parts of your rotation

with shiv

[strange tundra]

It's kinda automatic to me like I don't think about it that it takes attention since I been doing it for months

But I will try the macro

[weary spear]

In m+ it’s nice saving it for bosses imo

[rotund oak]

fangs were wild back in cata but horrible in terms of tmog

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-sad-sadge-working-on-the-fields-working-hard-gif-11731024323895172836

[rustic zealot]

Hi guys, do u know if (and how) we can get out of mugzee rock jails?

[restive glade]

raider io says
but warcraftlogs says

am i cracked or mediocre (what I expect)

[waxen oyster]

void elf

[rustic zealot]

there's no method without involving a credit card?

[waxen oyster]

Nope

[coral ibex]

beg for a life grip

[royal lantern]

just play normaly

[waxen oyster]

assa going in jails is kind of troll

anyway

[rustic zealot]

Yeah I know but i need some proof to show to my raid leader

[waxen oyster]

called your rl cant read logs

or something

[coral ibex]

assa does more damage cleaving off the boss

but with the nerfs and excessive raid power

[unreal tide]

pull up logs, show add damage while ur outside, if you're not seeing it tell rl your tanks and ppl dropping the cages are trash

[coral ibex]

there's really no reason not to just go in the gaols

and do your assigned job

[unreal tide]

or be boring and do the logical things nooj said

[waxen oyster]

I mean with nerfs the goon also just dies faster.

So even less reason no?

[rustic zealot]

I didn't explain myself well, watching the Dratnos video he says that rogues can get out somehow, like with Shadowstep. Honestly, it sounded like nonsense to me, but I wanted to be sure.

[coral ibex]

bro is talking out his ass

[waxen oyster]

dratnos videos are useless as all hell

[coral ibex]

rogue can't get out

[waxen oyster]

bro spends 80% of his videos

yapping about useless shit

[coral ibex]

if we could just shadowstep out there'd be no discussion

you'd just step out

[waxen oyster]

yeah you can leave one gaol with velf

[fallow canopy]

Maybe he was talking about velf or outlaw grappling hook

[waxen oyster]

dratnos is a prime example of how playing tank for too long rots your brain

the only downside is usually the better fight explainers put out videos later.

So if you get to a boss early you either read logs/watch povs or watch his useless yap session

[coral ibex]

idk other than silken court when have you really needed more than a pov from your spec to figure out a fight

[waxen oyster]

Depends on person obviously

[coral ibex]

and if ur so early there's no povs then ur good enough to figure it out

[waxen oyster]

I hate drat's UI and he drags on about useless info so much.

That its not helpful at all

[short comet]

back in my day dratnos was one of us now look at him

[waxen oyster]

He was

until a tank posted a dratnos route

that was a leave key angle

[grand trail]

very cool week HOF mount and this beauty 😄

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[clever sparrow]

may i ask why ppl have [Arterial Precision]

on raid bosses?

even on single target bosses

[waxen oyster]

There's one boss you dont play arterial for

[clever sparrow]

SHEEEESH

gz

[waxen oyster]

sprocket

[lean plover]

because the difference between ap and ttb is very small in pure st

[clever sparrow]

why we use it on gally tho

[waxen oyster]

adds

[lean plover]

and in adds ap is better

[clever sparrow]

shiv is mostly on cd

and we arent even putting dot on any of them

[waxen oyster]

spatter damage

[clever sparrow]

it says bleed dmg

doesnt matter to spatter

[waxen oyster]

Read what arterial does

[waxen oyster]

Yeah the first part

[clever sparrow]

oh

okay

make sense

[lean plover]

Shiv increases nature dmg tsken

ap makes shiv aoe

so they tske more spatter dmg

[stable cove]

sims tells me taking heroic cards is a damage loss over seaform/signet??

[waxen oyster]

if your signet is myth

[stable cove]

is hero

[analog field]

It was difficult for me too, I joined a guild I thought they would try to do mythic coz last season they were 4/8 but they are like slowly going mythic and all people thinking they are the best players and parsin 20. I finally left but it was really hard

[waxen oyster]

Yeah they kind of sim within margin of error of one another.

At the same track.

[clever sparrow]

same thing happening here

[stable cove]

so then cards isnt rlly hard bis? signet can be just as good?

[runic hinge]

Yes

Signet on myth harder to get

Until whenever the dinar happens

[lusty kraken]

next reset we are getting the dinar right

[waxen oyster]

Well it's bis for sub.

[lusty kraken]

we can just buy mythic signet then

[waxen oyster]

And i guess if you have janky stats where you risk your priory giving not mastery

Like if your priory gives you crit that is very bad.

[coral ibex]

do i bother trying to pug bandit for this ring

prob not

[waxen oyster]

just get a jastor

[coral ibex]

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

okay but

[waxen oyster]

i had one in vault finally

[balmy condor]

consider that I also do that

[grand trail]

crazy sims

[coral ibex]

hero jastor would be a 1.5% upgrade still

[waxen oyster]

after getting it from timewalking 2 weeks ago

[waxen oyster]

yeah but you not making boss guides

[balmy condor]

I'm making guides, boss

[vagrant lagoon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Whispyr's Plater

[sweet plover]

Hi guys, on the double vanish hybrid build, what is your combo mainly ? I do like the normal opener, ambush -> rupture - garrote - > envenom at 7 stacks and I go into cds - > DM -> Shiv -> Kingsbane and Shiv at the last 8 seconds of kingsbane and then I just spam Envenom and I keep garrote and rupture up along the fight

Am i doing anything wrong in the above mentioned in ST?

It feels like i have very little damage compared to any class in 12/13/14 and I run low on energy very fast if the fight is long, and in 12+ the fights are usually longer

[red schooner]

Regardless of build for lower keys, we're not great at single target

[hollow saddle]

Holyfuck Priory was haaaard with only 1 short kick

[red schooner]

Its just how the spec is

Though, have you heard about our lord and saviour bleed build?

[sweet plover]

Yeah but I held like 2mil in ST in a 12 Cinderbrew on last boss, and pretty sure I was supposed to do more.

[rocky zodiac]

On myth Stix, when you align your CDs with the Adds (First CDs around 35-38s ish) and you got chosen to ball this time. Do you pop CDs right after you get out of the ball or do you wait until the next set of adds to align it again?

[red schooner]

We ain't in keys in m+ for our ST boss damage

Trust me

I mean you probably shouldn't trust me on most things but trust me on this

[spice spire]

When you sim in m+ build at with little to no raid buffs

[sweet plover]

I really wanna get the hang of the bleed build and I swapped from sub to assa recently and even though im way better at assa and assa is more fun i have not learnt yet all the optimization for the different builds.

[spice spire]

Like 2-3m what is it

[sweet plover]

Overall damage in a 12 and damage profile.

Pretty sure I played suboptimal

[coral ibex]

why are you forcing envenom at 7 stacks to start

[sweet plover]

I saw that is the opener, based on Shindings video

before going into CD you send a full combo point envenom

Or did i understand it wrong

[red schooner]

On hybrid, just send a 5+ one

so you have the envenom buff rolling for deathmark and kingsbane

[spice spire]

If this is hybrid you may want to try swapping sb and sd

[red schooner]

Unless you have darkest night

then

[coral ibex]

well im pretty sure he did not say the opener is "ambush - rupture - garrote - 7cp envenom"

[royal lantern]

whos video

and yes, thats wrong

you do 5+ for finishers

unless darkness night is active

[sweet plover]

Oh yeah my bad

[coral ibex]

still not sure why that would be

[spice spire]

Shindig - nice guy pretty good

[coral ibex]

and i dont see where he says that

[sweet plover]

you do the 7 stack thingy only on darkest night

well thats why im asking

[spice spire]

Logic is to maximize time with buff but that’s pretty useless in this scenario

[sweet plover]

Cause I might ahve missed/ missunderstood some things

I only say what i understood

[coral ibex]

the opener graphic shows the correct sequence

and im sure he shows the opener graphic in his video

i watched it

[gusty mirage]

What about the ever elusive taycaloo cat?

[sweet plover]

So besides me saying going for a 7p envenom

is the rest correct?

u dont do crimson tempest in st on hybrid n?

[waxen oyster]

Spatter should be #1 in hybrid

or at least not below env

[spice spire]

Pretty sure it’s not as rare as the suggondese cat

[spice spire]

You do not

[sweet plover]

oh ok so at least i was doing that right

[gusty mirage]

It is. Take a look at my nuts buddy

[sweet plover]

Yeah my damage breakdown is daaawg shit

[spice spire]

Yeah well you can suggondeez nuts buddy

[coral ibex]

apply marks
apply garrote
apply 5+cp rupture
apply 5+cp envenom
cd's

that's your ST opener

[gusty mirage]

It’s alright, you’ll get it. Just takes some reps for you to get comfy

[sweet plover]

and then u jsut hold rupture garrote right?

[coral ibex]

then you refresh them in pandemic

[sweet plover]

also i go like DM - Shiv - Bane and Shiv at last 8 seconds

thats correct n?

[coral ibex]

yes

[sweet plover]

wdym in pandemic

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor today raid?

[coral ibex]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[hidden bay]

what did you get in vault

[balmy condor]

si senor

nothing

2 hero raid slots

[royal lantern]

im still rocking a heroic chest and heroic head piece

cant wait for socket vault again and then craft a chest armor

[sweet plover]

so TLDR refresh them on 6 sec remaining?

[waxen oyster]

My loot rng this tier has been so shit

[balmy condor]

TLDR your weakauras will show you

[coral ibex]

garrote is 5.4s, rupture is 7s

[waxen oyster]

6 crafted items

[balmy condor]

any even semi-popular weakauras will have pandemic glows

[sweet plover]

so refresh those on those threshholds or close to them right?

[balmy condor]

any time between 0 and the threshold

[sweet plover]

I use

the luxthos one

Ah so 0 and the threshold

so in between 0 and 5.4 and 0- 7

ah okok

i thought before 5.4 like 6

got it now

so dont let it fall off

basically

[balmy condor]

yes

[sweet plover]

ah okok

[balmy condor]

pandemic exists so you have a buffer

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

and don't need to refresh your shit at exactly 0.0000001 remaining

[sweet plover]

aaa

makes sense

gives you wiggle room

[balmy condor]

yeh

[sweet plover]

and is there any way around to not be 0 energy on ST on higher keys?

[balmy condor]

no

[sweet plover]

if the fight is like 1.3 min long i am at 0

[balmy condor]

well yes, play outlaw

[sweet plover]

haha

[red schooner]

it just be that way

[sweet plover]

ah ok

so my ST just gonna be dawgshit and i gotta play packs better

to make up for that

[balmy condor]

that's the way it's designed yes

[sweet plover]

ah ok

well im coming from playing sub

and honestly at least assa is fun as fuck

on sub i had no fun