assassination

[grim jay]

Icecream?

[normal mist]

I truly don't care about ilvl parses, but they do look high on my parses

[subtle tundra]

I AM CUTTING SIR

[grim jay]

Same

[near valley]

i care about them when my normal parses look shit

[normal mist]

LOL

[grim jay]

Im starving on 2700 kcal rn

[subtle tundra]

idk how much i should be im scared ill overdo it like in the past

[normal mist]

I once was a normal parse enjoyer

Getting rank 30-50

[subtle tundra]

yeah 2.7k is like a light eating day for me...

[grim jay]

Just take a 400kcal deficit for as long as you can

Thats what I do

[subtle tundra]

but my schedule is fucked like i go home after work and then i have gym into university so i dont have time to eat, when should i eaaattttttt

[near valley]

then your old college football knee injury started flaring up

i getchu i getchu

[normal mist]

Nah I just stopped caring

[worthy rose]

holy shit ive discovered the trolling power of outlaw today

floodgate swamp boss with the vines

if you killing spree itll yank your partner all ove the place

[subtle tundra]

had a big ol' sandwich like 400-500 cals
some rice with veggies and chicken breasts
and then whats the game plan... force eat when i get home
then starve until i get home in the evening

meow..................

MEOW.........

[grim jay]

I feel you, I do work and gym on breakfast and a protein shake quite often. Definitely not optimal.

[near valley]

i prefer a forced cut regime

that's when i'm broke and forced to be on a cut

[golden loom]

I think if a nutrion expert heard my food habits they would cry

[grim jay]

Worst shit ive done was eating nothing until 5pm and then eating 2k kcal in one go

[near valley]

i feel attacked

[grim jay]

Then 1k again later

At like 9 pm

[subtle tundra]

i cant say thats wrong cause ive probably done similar things

[near valley]

i eat before i go to sleep

terrible practice

wouldn't recommend

[subtle tundra]

i NEVER go to sleep on an empty stomach

unless it cant be helped

[near valley]

well yeah that's where the problem lies

[subtle tundra]

? why is it a problem

[near valley]

i can't sleep if i feel hungry

[zenith elm]

Someone got a guide on how to parses a lot on heroic bosses?

[near valley]

but also sleeping after eating makes my sleep worse

[golden loom]

I did one year of like 900-1,2k daily calories + cardio to go from 93kg to 76kg, and now I've been maintaining with like beef tortillas and some chicken here and there

[zenith elm]

i did it on first and second boss, cant seem to parses a lot on 3/4/5/6

and 7/8 i'm at 99

[zenith elm]

Really bad calorie deficit btw

even as a girl i'd have said its bad

[near valley]

u just go to lorrgs and copy whatever the top dude did that fight

but ofc rng is rng and sometimes u just don't get the parse ur looking for

[golden loom]

I did eat like 2,5k worth of bernaeis sauce + schnitzel every Friday that year as a cheat meal tho

And no shit it wasnt optimal but it lost the weight

[subtle tundra]

1.2k cals is sometimes just a dinner

[grim jay]

Same

[near valley]

1.2k is a snack

ngl

[grim jay]

Ye like 500 tops is fine ig

[subtle tundra]

i hope my lifts dont go down too much

thats why im scared...

BIG PUSSY

[grim jay]

Mine usually dont

[near valley]

how much u lifting now?

[zenith elm]

Whats your lifts ?

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

i wont answer

[zenith elm]

depends how much is too much

[near valley]

if you blast piana music it can never go down

trust

[zenith elm]

if you lose 10 kg per lift its ok

[golden loom]

I have stepped foot in a gym like 3 times in my life (school trips)

[subtle tundra]

dont wanna go down in weight just reps

[zenith elm]

but if you get like 20/30 kg down on lifts it becomes a bit too much

[grim jay]

Depends on the exercise

[zenith elm]

how many reps on your max ?

[grim jay]

Even

[subtle tundra]

but atleast pull ups wont go down cause thats body weight(they will go up cause it makes a huge differrence)

[zenith elm]

depends, lol

[subtle tundra]

they will i know from the past

[near valley]

idk about depends

it defo does

[grim jay]

@subtle tundra im done with cutting this year if I hit ~93kg.

[subtle tundra]

pull up pr was 8(full stretch) now its 6....

i did go up like 10kgs

(fat fuck)

[zenith elm]

pull up is nothing

[subtle tundra]

it is for me

[zenith elm]

you need to bench a lot, and squat and deadlift

[near valley]

damn i feel attacked

[zenith elm]

all that maters

matters*

[near valley]

if pull up is nothing

[grim jay]

Thats kinda dented

[subtle tundra]

bruh what

[zenith elm]

i'm dented

[subtle tundra]

i dont deadlift and i dont bench

fuck benching

[zenith elm]

Bench is life

[near valley]

i prefer incline benching

[zenith elm]

if you dont bench you dont live bro

[subtle tundra]

i like my dumbbells

[zenith elm]

Incline benching is the AOE Hybrid build in ST target

[grim jay]

I do incline db bench, hacksquats and no deadlifts

[zenith elm]

Flat benching is AOE bleed in AOE

[grim jay]

Deadlifts suck hard

[royal lantern]

guess im dead then

[zenith elm]

Good

[near valley]

even romanian?

[subtle tundra]

hi

[near valley]

lol

[grim jay]

Incline benching is superior for overall growth

[grim jay]

Every single deadlift imo, unless you do them for strength

[zenith elm]

For big booty gain, i'll accept it

[near valley]

i mostly do them to help with my lower back

and legs ofc

[zenith elm]

strength is life

How can i parse

if i cant destroy my keyboard while doing it? uh?

[royal lantern]

we use agility bozo

[near valley]

at 2 meters and like 120kg my legs and back need all the strength they can get while i'm youtful

[grim jay]

Flexion rows are way better for your lower back and for legs deadlifts only really work the hamstrings, which you can target better in other ways aswell

[near valley]

is that different from the rowing machine or the same thing?

[zenith elm]

Oh no

is that why i dont parses

[near valley]

oh nvm i see what it is now

[grim jay]

Its more like a version of rows. As long as the machine provides enough RoM you can do flexion rows. You basically just move your upper body differently

[zenith elm]

You need to do stiff legs deadlift, wayyy better for lower back

[grim jay]

Objectively false

Purely for growth

[zenith elm]

Yeah but for stability, growth and strenght

[grim jay]

Deadlifts have like the worst fatigue/growth ratio per involved muscle

[zenith elm]

its goated

and its big glute gains

[near valley]

i'll probs just ask my orthopedist tbh

[grim jay]

If its medical, probably

[grim jay]

I do hipthrusts like a real puss

I mean man

[winged sun]

Yea our funnel is identical sometimes slightly ahead depending on the fight

[grim jay]

And bulgarian split squats

Sometimes, if I dont feel like hacksquats

[winged sun]

Most of the time sin’s funnel is better than arcane except for fights like gorechop

[grim jay]

Why are you interrupting our health and gym conversation with your rogue nonsense

[near valley]

yeah it is

[grim jay]

Smh my head

[winged sun]

Where adds spawn faster than rupture durations

[zenith elm]

HERESY

[near valley]

talking about rogue stuff in the off-topic Sin channel

smh

[subtle tundra]

yeah idk

weird asf

[grim jay]

My doc also specializes in sport med, quite thankful for that

[lean plover]

Sin rogue discussion typicaly happens in sub channel

[grim jay]

Only if they all feel forced to swap again

[subtle tundra]

they talk about us?

jealousy...

they wish they had everything like we do!

[zenith elm]

Health, muscles

calm and relaxation

[winged sun]

@grim jay is creatine good

[near valley]

I like using it

Creatine and pre-workout does wonders

[subtle tundra]

i should get some preworkout for days like this where i have to go to gym and more

[winged sun]

Guys can you keep it low im trying to sleep

[near valley]

[strange tundra]

U need to do cicles

Like 1 month and stop

[grim jay]

For everything, even for gaming

[strange tundra]

Then after 6 months

[grim jay]

Not even kidding

[strange tundra]

And drink lots of water

[grim jay]

Thats bs

[near valley]

Creatine for gaming?

[strange tundra]

Lol what

[near valley]

I understand preworkout

Never heard of creatine for that

[strange tundra]

U don't take it forever, you cycle it

[winged sun]

Stop every 6 months? I never heard of that only for tren

[grim jay]

No you take it forever since ages

[near valley]

Tren cycles holy

[strange tundra]

You are wrong bro

You will destroy your liver

[winged sun]

Hes confused its just tren/roids idk which exactly

[grim jay]

It actually has positive impacts on many things not lifting related

[subtle tundra]

ME ME ME

[grim jay]

Guess everyone is destroying their liver and all the studies are wrong

[near valley]

You can cycle creatine if you so choose but it's defo not needed

[grim jay]

Its even worse

[humble verge]

creatine is what you want, preworkout is placebo :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[strange tundra]

Didn't know that when I started taking it I heard you need to cycle it

[humble verge]

you could just take caffeine pills, if youre doing preworkout for it

[strange tundra]

Forgot the grams and shit

[winged sun]

Preworkout is only needed when u cba going to the gym

Thats how i did it bakc then

Been in the gym for 2 years but i never took tren or whatever

[near valley]

I'd hope not

[humble verge]

most of the ingredients in pre, you need to 3x the recommended amount every day to get any benefit from it

[grim jay]

Nah you wanna take it every day to keep the levels up. Creatine is nothing that destroys your liver or anything, even if you take too much

[winged sun]

Kinda go here and there but not as much

Due to wow

[subtle tundra]

youre losing out

[winged sun]

[subtle tundra]

everyone does

[grim jay]

1500mg caffein

Every day

[strange tundra]

Pretty sure it destroys it if u don't drink enough water

[humble verge]

im talking about the beta alanine and stuff dawg

[winged sun]

Well i dont want to look big

[subtle tundra]

yeah... me neither..

[grim jay]

Nonono you are a caffein addict, I get it

[winged sun]

Just look normal but have some strength

[subtle tundra]

yeah.....

[humble verge]

i wish

ive stopped drinking monsters

[winged sun]

I think u have a way different prespective of going to the gym varas

[humble verge]

i think im gonna sell some CS cases so i can buy some games

[subtle tundra]

no i dont

[grim jay]

Ngl if you dont drink enough water its unhealthy in many ways, but creatine is something your body gets quite something of through meat and everything aswell

[humble verge]

my inventory is worth like 65 euro

[subtle tundra]

its just a hobby

[winged sun]

Idk why ur trying to be sarcastic on not wanting to be big

Because decent amount of people dont rly care

[subtle tundra]

damn you have 0 social cues

[grim jay]

Same. 5-6 times a week

[winged sun]

Varas being weird again gg

[subtle tundra]

you literally cant understand a message

[winged sun]

Nothing new

[subtle tundra]

and misinterpret it

[grim jay]

We are playing wow, noone in here has anything to do with social-whatever

[winged sun]

Ye send random dots

Sure

[subtle tundra]

and instead of trying to understand it, you put it on me

[winged sun]

[near valley]

....

[winged sun]

Nah i understand you totally

[subtle tundra]

yeah fuck off

if youre like this

annoying

[near valley]

I thought u were sleeping zeross

[subtle tundra]

instead of trying to understand you immediately become an asshole

[humble verge]

how long were up for ross

[subtle tundra]

and im the bad person

[humble verge]

you were still doing keys at 4am

[winged sun]

It was 7 am idk im cooked

[near valley]

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-typing-kitten-typing-typing-gif-9421482755570860732

[red schooner]

Same

[strange tundra]

I know that but creatine needs tons more water it drains the water and puts it on muscles

[winged sun]

Im kinda fked if i take creatine

[strange tundra]

U don't drink water?

[winged sun]

Nah i drink alot alot

With creatine it becomes x2

[near valley]

I drink barely any water

I'm so cooked

[strange tundra]

Just calculate your weight and how many grams u need to take in the cycle (unless u will do it forever) and how much water u need daily based on that
Pretty sure a human can overdose on a lot of water that's why u need a limit

[grim jay]

Thats like 1-2kg mass you put on and just sustain it afterwards. Thats covered in the 400-500ml water you are supposed to drink with it

At 3-5g creatine daily

[near valley]

You'll have to force yourself hard to drink that level of water

[strange tundra]

It's like 4 litres of water daily or some shit

[red schooner]

Why you talking about strength gains rogues need agility

[strange tundra]

On extreme cases I've heard people drink 7nlitres

[subtle tundra]

ok rethought everything. i can still fit my weekly workouts this week if i skip today
i sleep today instead of gym so i can watch barca fully rested(and drink)

much healthier !

[grim jay]

Its really between 400ml and 500ml with creatine and everything else is regulated by your thirst

[frank trench]

So how many ruptures do I want out before CT and do I take creatine before shiv or after shiv and can I mix it with my thistle tea

[subtle tundra]

dry scoop shiv pre-pull

or something

[near valley]

He meant to OD on water

[frank trench]

lol gross

[grim jay]

Ah, thats definitely way more

I used to drink 7 ltr daily

For a few years

[near valley]

Ye it's a lot of water you'd need

[strange tundra]

Yeah I have no idea how much u would need

Chat gpt this shit I guess

[near valley]

It's like 4 liters of water over a couple hrs

Rather than over a day

[grim jay]

It also depends on body mass

[near valley]

But it's dependent on lots of shit

Like if ur sweating and body mass etc.

6-8 is where it becomes a lot more problematic

[grim jay]

I do think recommended overall is 2-3
4 is fine, anything above can potentially be bad

Ye

[glass cedar]

It depends, if you are a 5'7 manlet your requirements are different than an athlete

[subtle tundra]

woah someone is over 6'

[grim jay]

Size shaming!

[glass cedar]

Activity level, size

What kind of activity

[near valley]

I like how it's 5'7 manlet and the opposite to that is just Athlete

[warm mulch]

I might be stupid and not see it, but I'll ask anyway to be sure.
Deathmark only duplicates subsequent applications of bleeds and poisons, not previously existing ones right?

[subtle tundra]

5'7 is optimal size for bodybuilding

maybe less

[glass cedar]

No its not

[subtle tundra]

i am making up information

[near valley]

Idk bro I'm like 2-2.1 meters

Nothing is optimal

Everything is suffering

[grim jay]

The smaller you are the bigger you look

If it comes to muscles

[near valley]

Ah

[glass cedar]

No lol @grim jay

[grim jay]

Yes lol

[near valley]

Thought u were going elsewhere with that

[grim jay]

Most professional bodybuilders are below a certain height

[near valley]

With a name like lordliftsalot I don't think you'd find agreement with each other

[glass cedar]

Most ifbb pros are within like 5'9-6 feet, but the even shorter ones are always disadvantaged on stage because they look so child-like

[grim jay]

Ronnie coleman 5 11, lee priest 5 4, jay cutler 5 9

[glass cedar]

Thats why lee priest lost all the time lol

[near valley]

Big ronnie

[normal mist]

It duplicates ones already on the target as well

[glass cedar]

He looked comically small

[grim jay]

Average Mr olympia winner height is like 5 7

[glass cedar]

https://external-preview.redd.it/BanmFTYWVX5HfPsxd92NH93QTMsrFJVgQuQMIVmU45U.jpg?auto=webp&s=2712c23195af44eda424f8b7ea21da4359b370e0

[normal mist]

Can you guys talk in European numbers

[grim jay]

1.70mtr

[normal mist]

Thank you

I'm 1.69

[hidden bay]

Short King

[normal mist]

Still bigger than my wife

[hidden bay]

bigger or taller

[normal mist]

Bigger

[near valley]

Rearrange that and you get 619

So think about that

[glass cedar]

Samson just won 2024 and hes 5'11

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/legado-del-fantasma-raul-mendoza-rey-mysterio-youre-right-i-support-you-gif-27680187

[warm mulch]

Thanks!

[near valley]

How i think I looked when my mom asked me to help carry groceries in as a kid

[grim jay]

Based

Or when you had to open a jar

Also smaller people always look bigger faster because the same amount of muscle is getting stretched less

[rain coral]

hey guys, if you have been muted by blizzard, is it still possible to do M+ with the browser ?

[royal lantern]

lol, manlet

[normal mist]

Weird question that I do not have an answer to

[rain coral]

oke, was wondering cause, got a mail, that i ve been muted by blizzard so iam not sure, if iam gonna be able to play

[normal mist]

You probably can

[radiant raven]

You can join groups, I believe. You just can't list your own.

Not 100% sure, though. You should probably just open up the LFG and see.

[grim jay]

Iirc you are just fucked

And can do stuff with your guildies

But thats about it

Cant use the tool at all

[humble verge]

dont think so no

ive seen people have this issue

[rain coral]

alright, i well check this out tonight, hopefully something is possible

[grim jay]

Well, your case aside as I dont know the details, I like it being actually punishing

[rain coral]

how comes :D?

[grim jay]

I mean, whats a penalty if not punishing

Would be pretty useless otherwise

[rain coral]

i know

[grim jay]

And there are quite many people that should be forced out of playing with others

[rain coral]

but maybe a way that at least you could play with youre friends

[normal mist]

We don't have friends

[grim jay]

Well you can, as long as you dont need to use the tool

[rain coral]

oke, so raid and dungeon finder wont work

[grim jay]

Ye

You can only have people invite you the old school way

[normal mist]

Oh back to classic are we

[grim jay]

So if you wanna find keys with 1-3 friends, you need them to queue in and tell the leader to invite you

Or let them open a group, find the people needed and invite you afterwards

[novel star]

or don’t get muted

[normal mist]

Kero, were you a bully to deserve such fate?

[novel star]

be a good little gamer

[grim jay]

Thats prevention, not a solution

[novel star]

ye ik :3

i’m just here to be a pest

for fun

[normal mist]

I'll allow it

[grim jay]

Understandable

Hit him where it hurts

[normal mist]

Double or nothing tho

[gritty laurel]

but if he bullied a boomkin it should be allowed

[normal mist]

I won't disagree

[grim jay]

You dont get banned for bullying boomkins

[rain coral]

well my language was for sure not vulgar (its not my style) but probably cause some keys got heated and i said things like "iam out of this kindergarden joke"

[normal mist]

Why do I doubt that was the phrase that got you in troubles

[gritty laurel]

"your honor, all i did was tell the tank to take a remington retirement"

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

Godge, give us a good tier set in 11.2. Make cleave builds great again. Prayge.

[rain coral]

maybe because i left the key and when the other party member whispered me, i told them to learn to play the game and when insulted me i said things like "better delete the game"

[haughty flicker]

"in my defense, it was a druid"

[normal mist]

Any build is a cleave build with caustic

[rain coral]

anyway seems like people are really sensitive these days

anyway i have to live with the consequenze

[normal mist]

Tbf you agreed with terms of service

[rain coral]

y true

[normal mist]

Where in theory you agreed you wouldn't do shit like that

But hey everyone has bad moments that turn into rage homie, it is what it is

We learn and we do better next time

[rain coral]

we are just humans, sometimes we get heated but i never would cross the line andn say something vulgar or harrassing

y ive learned my lesson

✌️

[normal mist]

Yeah no worries, it happens. Hopefully you can play later without much trouble

[rain coral]

hopefully

i hope iam not in some kind of a blacklist or sth

[hexed frost]

DF S3 no CT cleave build was dope though. If we really want to go Envenom: The Game better go with balls to the wall

[rain coral]

and they extra watching me now

[grim jay]

There are none

[haughty flicker]

shadowbanned from m+

gg

[normal mist]

His life was ironically saved

[rain coral]

well there has to be some kind, cause when repeated the penalty gets longer

[normal mist]

True

[spice surge]

I mean thats pretty much what everything besides bleed is now anyway

[viscid spear]

"Was"

[spice surge]

We need a bleed only tierset, no more green eviscerate spec

[red schooner]

Wish granted, the tier set bonus gives exsanguinate

[short comet]

bro

[grim jay]

Nah thats just a history, it doesnt influence any other part

[spice surge]

Im down

[short comet]

pls

[analog topaz]

is there any reason why the Deathstalkers mark debuff cant be applied using garrote rather than ambush?

[grim jay]

Same, exsanguinate was glorious

[grim jay]

Because it was designed that way

[analog topaz]

kinda seems counterintuitive if we're talenting into something like Shrouded suffocation

[red schooner]

Welcome to rogue hero talents

[spice surge]

The 20% dmg from shrouded is always active

Its only the combo points that require stealth

But they work with IC, improved garrote and subterfuge as well

But yes, its silly that its only ambush

[analog topaz]

fair point but what about something like indiscriminate carnage? i get you're given 6 seconds for it aoe spread but it seems odd

[red schooner]

You don't need to ambush every pack at least if you have DN from a previous

[analog topaz]

oh ok thank god i thought i was the only one thinking it was weird how this hero talent worked

[grim jay]

Nah most people just accepted it

Since you will mostly play DN

[red schooner]

If you have DN up you can go straight into garrotted/ruptures, and send a max cp envenom to get the mark rolling again

[grim jay]

And dont need to ambush

[viscid spear]

Bleed spec is now the only good spec in any content

[analog topaz]

makes sense yeah, idk i thought it'd have been better if they at least had it work with blindside or something in order to add extra stacks of deathstalker on the target

[red schooner]

Hell yes

[red schooner]

Our hero talents are a bit... Meh. At least deathstalker is mostly functional

Apart from the mark occasionally disappearing

[spice surge]

Thats the most common suggestion since 1 minute after they revealed it, clearly not something they want

[rain coral]

btw. guys would you recommend human or night elf for rogue playing in pve?

[grim jay]

Never happened to me after the first row of fixes

[red schooner]

Which one do you think looks the coolest?

[grim jay]

In the first weeks

[earnest quiver]

Can u cloak the azerite extractor in ML pulsing damage / ground circles / both ?

[red schooner]

Happened to me a few times this season

[analog topaz]

which ever looks the coolest

[red schooner]

Mostly on boss adds

[viscid spear]

Blah blah blah Shadowmeld grants an extra Vanish if you're quick enough or something yada yada yada

[rain coral]

its not about the look more about the racial benefits

[red schooner]

Slam DN into an add, add dies, oh look, it's gone

[grim jay]

If you are quick enough AND win the timing roulette

[viscid spear]

[red schooner]

It's so minor you don't need to give a shit unless you're playing in the top 0.01% of the player base

[viscid spear]

Play BElf

[grim jay]

Thats supposed to be fixed and never happened to me afterwards

[spice surge]

Orc or maghar

[analog topaz]

caring about racial benefits in wow in the year of 2025

[rain coral]

does shadowmelt works the same like vanish?

[spice surge]

No

[royal lantern]

racials are a meme

[rain coral]

iam being serious

[analog topaz]

we're being serious too lmao

[royal lantern]

im aswell

[spice surge]

It works 0% of the time in boss fights, and works 50% of the time on trashpacks

[red schooner]

So am I

[rain coral]

^^

[royal lantern]

racials ARE a meme

that is the serious answer

[analog topaz]

racial bonus means nothing in the grand scale of the class you're gonna play so pick what looks cool

very simple

[normal mist]

True

He knows

[rain coral]

no, but the extra vanish is i guess not so bad for M+?

[viscid spear]

Bring back Arcane Torrent being an AoE silence

[royal lantern]

its no extra vanish

[grim jay]

As eleem said it barely works

[normal mist]

Extra stealth SOMETIMES

[late niche]

Gnome heritage armor > racials

[analog topaz]

its not an extra vanish tho ahahahah

[red schooner]

Rule of thumb: if you're not playing in the top 0.01% content wise, it doesn't matter. Second rule of thumb: If you have to ask about it on the rogue discord, you're probably not in that player group.

[royal lantern]

and its not even big if it would work

[red schooner]

Pick one you like the look of

And chill

[viscid spear]

You basically have to run off to the side away from any hostile mobs and pray it works

[rain coral]

is there a way to forecast the look of your char with a different race?

[mossy sundial]

Maghar orc

macro to dm
????
profit

[royal lantern]

i got 100s as Vulpera, when it was the "worst race"

thats how much of a meme it is

[analog topaz]

forecast the look?

[royal lantern]

wowhead modelviewer i gues

[normal mist]

Check before swapping

[analog topaz]

yeah a modelviewer works

[spice spire]

Batman couldn’t beat this outta me

[rain coral]

i mean to have a preview how the char would look like in a different race

[normal mist]

Just create a new char and use your tmog

[viscid spear]

Sometimes I want to race change my Rogue to Dracthyr

[red schooner]

Nah don't do it

[viscid spear]

The temptation

[grim jay]

Do it, so you can be a human or a belf on the other faction

[analog topaz]

you can just quickly make a character give it a random name and see how hte armor looks, if you like it you make the character again or delete if you dont like it

in WoW you just make your character based on what looks cool, racial bonus has literally no importance outside of cool effects

[grim jay]

Just use that race change toy and skim through the races

[earnest quiver]

Does anybody know how cloak works against azerite extractor in ML. Does it make you immune to the floor circles or does it only affect the pulsing damage with phys dr hero talent cause its physical right

[normal mist]

Aham but I have 2 hearthstone so I'm cooler

[grim jay]

Based

Tho I do like elves

[normal mist]

Me too

Frieren

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[viscid spear]

Blessed by thy Vaults

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-frieren-emuach-flying-kiss-gif-1166051893005797096

[royal lantern]

go and hug some trees or whatever elves are doing

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-if-hate-dwarves-hate-dwarves-dwarves-repost-if-repost-gif-1284158838049689112

[royal lantern]

in the case of wow, causing another apocalypse and getting addicted to something

[grim jay]

Frieren is great

[normal mist]

I really enjoyed it

Esil tho

https://tenor.com/view/esil-radiru-esil-solo-leveling-my-beloved-esil-my-beloved-gif-11316813052447460637

[grim jay]

Its kinda weird if the names are german tho

For germans

[royal lantern]

japan loves german words

its a bit weird everytime, yeha

[grim jay]

Ye like, if they were actual names it would work ig, but "random" words are sometimes wild.

[lime flame]

hi, someone has the trick of trade macro?

[normal mist]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[lime flame]

ty

[normal mist]

You need the WA

[near valley]

I guess it just sounds cooler than English words

Kaiser being like the most commonly used word

[normal mist]

That's the teostra set!

[grim jay]

Its about the pronounciation

Atleast thats what some Producer said

[near valley]

That's also fair

[grim jay]

German seems to fit very well with that japanese pronounciation and added things

[near valley]

Hearing English in subbed anime throws me off a lot

Engrish*

But English dubbed also throws me off so all power to thrm

[royal lantern]

mate, sooo many MH things have german words as names

all gore magala weapons are german words

(and shagaru magala weapons are french iirc)

[normal mist]

That's so cool

[quiet oar]

Just like you

[normal mist]

Thanks

I agree

[cosmic robin]

Starting at which Keystone level would you consider upping some versatility?

[nova aspen]

when u die with feint active from an unavoidable mechanic

[near valley]

If you play elusiveness and you still almost get one-shot by unavoidable shit, it's best to start considering it

[west violet]

Is there some secret tech on last boss of floodgate, giga zap?
https://youtu.be/I7FL9YXGx7U?si=jTyM0Eeid6LUR7dW

Watching Wox, and this zap hits the hunter 2x

Time 30:10

[quiet oar]

The Boss only swaps to the Next "Person" when he applied Giga Zap Dot on the First one

So if the Hunter Turtles, he doesnt get the Debuff and the Boss tries to apply it again and is out of cast time after that

So you negate the Gigazap

[restive elm]

Kingsbane no garrote in that 18 flood is interesting

[royal lantern]

its a +18

with a boomkin

[jolly heath]

I just tried zeross build in +17 and was surprised it works so well

top boss dmg

[nova aspen]

why were u surprised?

[west violet]

Gotcha, so the turtle did it. I was looking and he still had vanish and cloak so I couldn't figure out why

[crimson steppe]

is there any way to deal with chain pulling or am i just asking everyone not to chain

[royal lantern]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[royal lantern]

grow up

it doesnt matter

its good for you

[quiet oar]

I wish i was chained by Tryan and he pulled me to him

[royal lantern]

im on the re-stealth hater arc on my tank rn, legit pulling stuff to stay in combat so those yellow names grow some balls and learn their class

[quiet oar]

As long as you are not the Bad Tanking guy

[coral ibex]

NA up btw

hasn't reset tho

i thought reset was at 7PST

[weary spear]

If no one answered this yet, cloak makes you immune to the ground circles for cloaks entire duration.

[frank trench]

I can tell you it doesn’t work on bombs in mechagon

Those are physical :/

[west violet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[frank trench]

Man I am having a hard time playing poison vs bleed in m+ bleed just seems so much more intuitive.

[weary spear]

Evasion works 👍

[humble verge]

we do love a multi dollar company

i think my client is going chinese maybe

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-wtf-matrix-the-matrix-blink182-gif-11308275628706487257

[humble verge]

this is the whole page btw

[hearty reef]

no garrote build?

the chefs in town?

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-jungle-hunter-jungle-hunter-cloaking-gif-17030076

[near valley]

this is giving me an actual physical reaction though so i'm not looking at this page till this has been moved up

[scenic nacelle]

Might be your GPU big dog

[humble verge]

fixed after going in and logging out :3

[radiant raven]

How is it getting worse

[humble verge]

wdym

D:

: D

[radiant raven]

You've found a really interesting bug haha

[humble verge]

yeah idk

it always happens to me when i start wow

icl

wait let me see if i can recreate it

[coral ibex]

cooked

[humble verge]

ok so, it was fine for like 3 seconds then it turned back into this shit again lmao

[radiant raven]

Wild

Someone spilled soup over them

[humble verge]

im 100% sure its the campsite issue

[split veldt]

when do we get corruptions again?

[humble verge]

not my card

[split veldt]

like 2 weeks?

[humble verge]

2w

[split veldt]

thanks

they drop with the dinar?

[humble verge]

no

dinar next week

[split veldt]

oh shit

nice

[wanton lava]

Nothing like a nice Signet of priorty to greet you when you open vault

[nova aspen]

i've gotten that book 4 weeks in a row

not even kidding

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nocturne quail]

insane

[past bobcat]

Ring is heavy crit maybe decent?

[cosmic robin]

this build is cooked

[spice spire]

If you can immune and you’re hit first you skip both zaps

[humble verge]

if you position yourself out of his range before he casts, ive had it so that he casts twice on the first guy

[hearty reef]

i'd keep it for after myth track extension sims

to replace cyrce

[humble verge]

or what quake said

[nocturne quail]

are we replacing cyrces with the ilvl increase

[humble verge]

[half light]

i got a myth sigil of algari and it sims comparatively equal to myth legs instead of hero legs

[nocturne quail]

yeah i did and it sims higher, but im unsure if im doing it right tbh

[spice spire]

It’s probably still myth legs tho since like in the end you don’t want sigil, right?

Unless you already have hero version of gang trinkets

[half light]

yeah, I also got a hero rik reverb tho

[spice spire]

It’s simming higher for me rn, gonna guess you have jastor Diamond?

[spice spire]

Not Richard reverb trinket (it’s not great)

[half light]

it sims a bit weaker than legs and the other, like 0.2%, but I have myth codex and hero amplifier

[timber meadow]

not sure what to take : /

[half light]

but yeah legs are probably the answer

[near valley]

wax whistle ofc

unless u generally don't know

then don't do that

[timber meadow]

lmao nah i know xD

[spice spire]

Oh that’s a cursed combo dog. Good luck

[spice spire]

Ring is pretty juicy ngl

[nova aspen]

wax whistle is big for outlaw

if ur into that kink

i dont kink shame

[timber meadow]

is it bis?

[half light]

thanks! yeah I think I'm going for legs, it's like the safe bet and we're still at rik reverb in mythic

[nova aspen]

ud have to check the wowhead trinket list i dont recall

[half light]

i wanna get the motorbike for pvp, reminds me of the bfa one

[near valley]

not even

[spice spire]

I’ve been jump scared so much by motorbike while tanking

[frozen glacier]

https://imgur.com/a/bb0Pahw we take those

[upper dock]

why is an assas sim so much slower than a sub sim

[half light]

twice an ass to simulate

[spice spire]

Wdym like the sim takes longer?

[half light]

ass-ass-in simulation

[upper dock]

yes

[spice spire]

Usually means there’s more valid combos for phase 2/3 of the sim

[half light]

i think there's an issue cuz the legs need a catalyst essence and i don't have any lmao

how often do you get them?

[spice spire]

Every other week

If you don’t have it this week, it’ll be next

[nocturne quail]

yeah myth track ring with ilvl increase + heroic jastor is beating it

[spice spire]

Yep that’s just a shit ton of mastery

And eventually we want other things

[half light]

hmmm, should I still take legs then? I'd be able to get the catalyst next week only

[cinder geode]

Im on myth bandit, should I use dinar next week on myth pacemaker or signet or save for a myth house of cards?

Just wondering the difference between mythic signet vs house of cards, they seem identical

[spice surge]

Just natty assa takes longer too, because it has 10000 small piss effects that all needs to be computed. Especially in aoe. If you compare a global of rupture ticks + BP + shadowed BP for sub VS crimson tempest ticks, rupture ticks, garrote ticks, sanguine ticks, poison ticks, poison applications, singular focus, spatter etc

[coral ibex]

do you have hero hoc

[cinder geode]

no

[coral ibex]

do you think you're gonna get the mythic hoc if it drops?

[spice spire]

My argument here is that it’s full fix versus temporary, especially with dinars next week

[spice spire]

Didn’t even think dungeonslice

[cinder geode]

No, but I can get it with dinar after I kill bandit

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

do you think having myth signet will make your bandit kill easier

[cinder geode]

Yeah probably

[coral ibex]

how much of an upgrade would it be

[haughty flicker]

[half light]

that's true, I guess the legs will have more use but it's going to be a delayed effect instead of some upgrade, either way dinars could help for the trinket next

[spice spire]

Nah but the ol yeller rp blizzard did this week probably will

[haughty flicker]

glad i got up early to finish second slot before reset

just to get a second cloak

[cinder geode]

Hero signet to myth signet is a little over 1% dps increase

[spice spire]

[amber brook]

I'll kill for that shoulder

[haughty flicker]

i might genuinely take it just for transmog

[spice spire]

That seems excessive

[coral ibex]

oh you have hero signet

um

whats your other trinket

[amber brook]

i need it for myth tier feels bad

[haughty flicker]

had this saved since start of tier

[haughty flicker]

i just need myth pants but my guild has decided we are never killing stix again

[near valley]

have at it mug, be my guess zee

[haughty flicker]

so my only source is vault lmao

[amber brook]

those shoulders look hella sick

[spice spire]

M+ hello

Third slot would have gotten you there king

[haughty flicker]

third slot wouldve gotten me a third cloak

dont fucking lie to me

[spice spire]

99% of rogues stop pisslow keys before they get their coveted prize

[amber brook]

Atleast its not triple kujo trink

[spice spire]

Goated vault

[haughty flicker]

sims are actually telling me to just craft pants and cata head lmao

uncapped gildeds next week so might as well i guess

[amber brook]

thank god for uncapped

[cinder geode]

The m+ grind is gonna be pretty nuts next patch

[feral wasp]

!addons

[cinder geode]

You need a little under 30 11s to fully max out your gear

[feral wasp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strange tundra]

pug it

[haughty flicker]

yeah no i'd rather let a yorkshire terrier rip my balls off

[strange tundra]

why so specific

[haughty flicker]

also cant pug mythic anyway

[spice surge]

But it got nerfed

Surely its easy

[strange tundra]

avoiding my question

[spice surge]

[blazing tulip]

got 4 myth rings and some other trash in myth track on my vault. Do we know if we would ideally replace cyrce for 8/8 myth rings next week?

[hidden bay]

delete that char

only trash

[cinder geode]

Yes

You replace cyrces for 6/6 myth rings already

[spice spire]

Not always

[crimson pasture]

surely i take signet

[spice spire]

Literally the only thing that pushes circlet out on my character is a gally ring + decent ring

[haughty flicker]

yes

if signet is in vault you take it

[blazing tulip]

I envy you
https://i.imgur.com/PvWFwna.png

[spice spire]

I’d take cloak in solidarity with bel but I’m different

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[spice spire]

(I already have mythic signet is why)

[normal mist]

What mythic pants do you need? Rogue or another lookalike for other leather class?

[strange tundra]

this is me tommorow

🙏🏿

[haughty flicker]

no i need like any myth track just as an upgrade

[ebon quest]

we don't use KB in M+ these days?

[haughty flicker]

i'd just cata it

[normal mist]

Oh not Tmog wise nvm

Actually

You need HC pants

[spice surge]

You can if you want to, but playing bleed without it is good too

[normal mist]

HC pants are heroic appearance up to 4/6

[spice surge]

Theres a bunch of viable talent setups that are all very very close in m+ right now, id recommend bleed but you can play whatever you want out of those

[strange tundra]

in like high keys u change to that build

17-18 etc

[normal mist]

But at 5/6 they are mythic appearance

@haughty flicker

[haughty flicker]

i know this is weird coming from me but not everything is about transmog

[ebon quest]

i always liked bleed builds, i just wasn't expecting to see KB not utilized

[strange tundra]

if u play sexy belf its all about the transmog

[normal mist]

Fair enough xD

[strange tundra]

its because in high keys u need more ST

[normal mist]

Amen caralho

[haughty flicker]

(i did just take shoulders from vault for transmog instead of a socket for when i craft bracers)

[spice surge]

KB just isnt that strong atm

[ebon quest]

well that's big sad

[normal mist]

Wait sad??

[strange tundra]

why less buttons to press

[spice surge]

Nah fuck kb

Bleed4Life

[strange tundra]

bleed build is so braindead rota

[normal mist]

Fuck KB

[strange tundra]

makes life easy

[spice spire]

BaSed eleem

[willow vine]

bro bleed build has unlimited damage even without cds

[spice spire]

My president fr

[ebon quest]

well i see i'm in the minority here lol

[strange tundra]

mods

[normal mist]

We all are

We're rogues

[spice surge]

Not really, were just loud

[normal mist]

I CAN YELL TOO

[ebon quest]

touche

[spice surge]

But idk im not a fan of big envenom spatter type gameplay, feels like green sub

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[strange tundra]

please calm down

[spice surge]

Would rather it be more about the bleeds

[normal mist]

Sorry

[spice surge]

But it is what it is

[strange tundra]

thank u

[normal mist]

Got excited

[blazing tulip]

yeah... sim is telling me to replace cyrce and use 2 6/6 myth

[willow vine]

bring back shadow dance KB macro fr

[ebon quest]

yeah i get that perspective, bleeds are fun

[normal mist]

You can play hybrid build if you want

[dense anvil]

hybrid4life

[normal mist]

Mods get this person

[blazing tulip]

I like playing rogue feral... bleed i mean bleed

[normal mist]

Same thing

Without the snapshot part

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-reaction-low-tier-god-gif-3069402631519613407

[keen spruce]

[normal mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

Go fish, shmeeps

[keen spruce]

Any puzzle boxers?

[normal mist]

Had it

Hated it

[spice spire]

Puzzle boxer?

[normal mist]

Lives with it

[spice spire]

I hardly know er

It was fine

[keen spruce]

I used it on raz

Otherwise they all rotted in my bank

[inland dirge]

i'm going back to bed

[keen spruce]

Gn king

[spice spire]

Oh yeah shmeeps I got a ganger for you

[spice spire]

GM

and gn

[inland dirge]

fuck work i'm getting fired i'm over it gn forever

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326453594593038417/1362149400754913360/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[keen spruce]

[near valley]

certified ganger this

[spice spire]

I love and hate the homies

[quiet oar]

This is so good

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-mods-ltg-mods-new-jersey-gif-4411202994157078106

[spice spire]

[quiet oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1278654782784933909/bully.gif

Remembers me of this

[rocky sluice]

I'm a multi spec player.. I either take remnant of darkness for outlaw or hands to make my sin stronger in raid/keys 🥲

can't decide homies. probably gloves

[willow vine]

Ditch outlaw fr

[rocky sluice]

D: lol

[spice spire]

I forgot this existed

[prisma carbon]

are we still going to wear circlet after the turbo boost comes into effect?

[coral ibex]

you will answer that with a sim

[crimson pasture]

so if you have a myth signet you just buy jastors next week right?

[spice spire]

If you killed myth gally sure

[spice surge]

Well buying an heroic one is good too

You could buy a pacemaker too

[crimson pasture]

already have myth pacemaker and signet

[haughty flicker]

yeah im definitely just buying hero track jastors unfortunately

sucks that you cant at least upgrade it higher once you kill the mythic boss

but its still by far the best upgrade i can get

[merry tapir]

is it worth to pick this, i have priory + seaforium hero upgraded at 665

[red schooner]

What does the sim say?

[merry tapir]

On queue D:

for a quick sim should i use patchwerk 5 tg 5 min, or dungeon slice D:

[red schooner]

depends if your focus is raiding or m+

[merry tapir]

m+

[red schooner]

Dungeonslice

[merry tapir]

tyvm

[cyan surge]

all crit/mastery

[red schooner]

Take the towel, what if your character gets wet?

How are you going to dry yourself off

without a towel

[ebon glen]

I got that ring also on myth track but already have jastor :\ and worked too much this week so barely did any m+

[red schooner]

ask yourself this

[merry tapir]

i prob should just take the SAD, 6k dps upgrade not much worth (considering that i will be looking for a replace on next vaults)

[cyan surge]

I'm thinking of taking the gloves.

[red schooner]

Its also a blue upgrade, so within the margin of error

[merry tapir]

how is that?

[red schooner]

The sim varies a bit each time you run it, because proc rates and other things can have an effect on DPS

But the sim calculates the level of variance

[sonic pagoda]

i took a mythc pacemaker XD in this vault

[short comet]

are mdt routes worth simming for sin or we just dungeonslice gamers?

[red schooner]

We slice normally, though I'm not big enough into M+ pushing to really say if MDT routes give too much of a benefit over slice

There may be some use cases for MDT routes but normally its just, slice

[empty tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hard river]

Sim dps is an average of tens of thousands of pulls

since it cannot do millions of pulls there is some degree of variance on the final result

should be within 0.05%

[merry tapir]

ty! understood

will pick the SAD

[viscid spear]

Whispyr with the ability to see past events?

[spice spire]

Weeb

[viscid spear]

points to name

[coral ibex]

we're cooking

[nova aspen]

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

work harder peon

[inland dirge]

work is da poop

no more

[viscid spear]

Me not that kind of orc

[coral ibex]

i can do that

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoigaming-borzoi-sand-dog-meme-gif-7540556842493661710

[runic hinge]

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/im-ai-with-the-braids-gif-21981598

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-sand-gif-18678879

[balmy condor]

That’s not artificial intelligence, that’s a dog

[coral ibex]

erm that is allen iverson in dog form

[nova aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326453594593038417/1362149400754913360/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[keen spruce]

When’s the last time quake was named quake

In this discord

[nova aspen]

last year

[humble verge]

@balmy condor you might just get bandit this week

[balmy condor]

Like the post malone song

[coral ibex]

precisely

[balmy condor]

Yeah these were announced a couple days ago

[humble verge]

i just saw them now

lolle

[coral ibex]

are you as mad as i am that your guild didn't kill before these nerfs

[inland dirge]

WHEN I STARTED BALLIN I WAS YOOOOOOOOOUNG

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-singing-gif-10847175

[humble verge]

just wanna kill gally before dinars

[coral ibex]

im fairly sure this is gonna be the story for mugzee and gally too

[humble verge]

so on sunday my guild is doing a RWF-esque 8h raid day

wont be able to attend cause of family bday but

will be gigagaming

[ripe rapids]

Would someone be able to look at a log for me and tell me what I am doing wrong?

[drifting cloud]

Sir it was like 16h ago I know you had 1 raid inbetween did it feel like days

[balmy condor]

Was it actually

Wild

I thought they were announced Friday

[drifting cloud]

That was the class tuning

[balmy condor]

Oh

[golden loom]

I just want this bandit fella to die

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[coral ibex]

you and me both bro

so boring pulling the boss over and over waiting for the ranged to figure it out

[spice spire]

You can just post the log

[coral ibex]

our only(!!!!!!!!) p2 pull last night im pretty sure people just stopped hitting the boss entirely at some point

[spice spire]

I’ll thread it or whatever

[winged sun]

Quake

[spice spire]

Zeross

[winged sun]

I slept 4 times today i feel fried

[spice spire]

Why so many times

You only need 3 hours king

That’s peak efficiency

[winged sun]

Idk i was mega tired yesterday we pushed keys till 8 am

Last 1-2 hours were with naowh

Demon runs

He was on ret pala

[spice spire]

Sounds right up your alley

Oh nvm

Ret pushing

[winged sun]

It was just keys with friends

He joined in

[spice spire]

[winged sun]

We tried floodgates rogue with ret it did not work out especially that we didnt have lust too so we forced naowh to pay for the drums

We were like inv = drums

Oh

Quake

Look

I show ok

Brb

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9qxnraWwPjKkmD6VrVJwM

[nova aspen]

i see zeross got his coffee

[winged sun]

Tjoughts?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/njSGEt8kr6fFnVcanqZ7WC

Assa op?

Been busy pushing but thanks to tobfon we found some gains for sin abit

Kinda learning apl abit

Zeross Tc arc inc

[pulsar coral]

ive always wondered if it was worth it to put garrotes and ruptures back up on everything in the middle of a big pull

feel like i spend so many GCDs and by the time im done the pack is dead because everyone else kept just killin'

[runic hinge]

ruptures on 5 for energy and scent garrote just on your main target

[winged sun]

Those changes are mainly to my cooked build quake

[spice spire]

I’m not sure what I’m looking at it looks like you just don’t spread garrotes and keep garrote on main target

Which the first bit is new

Second bit isn’t

[ripe rapids]

What am I doing wrong? I know I do overspend energy which activates my tea. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mf47naZtpKcNwJD2?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=25 My Deathmark macro was broken for the first two fights and I got killed on pull on Bandit so don't look at those fights.

[strange tundra]

nahh

[spice spire]

When it said no garrote I thought it was 0

It’s interesting

[winged sun]

Well

[spice spire]

That’s not a passive aggressive interesting btw

[winged sun]

Its because this build has no improved garrote

[spice spire]

Its actually interesting

[winged sun]

Also shiv is kinda useless at higher target counts (with supercharger)