assassination

[worthy rose]

cant u just wait for the dinar

[humble verge]

wait is mind the slow cast

[worthy rose]

and buy it normally

why wait for this week

youre guaranteed it

[humble verge]

nah we are prolly progging him next week

thats what i mean

[worthy rose]

ooh

fingers crossed good luck!

[humble verge]

atleast i hope

didnt get heroic jastor dropped this week tho

was cringe

[worthy rose]

in my dinar loot table im prob taking a heroic jastor and hoc

cant think of anything else a roguewould need from raid

rip me not clearing mythic raidbosses

[spice surge]

Pacemaker is solid

[winged sun]

no u

[hidden bay]

yea will prolly grab pacemaker if i dont happen to get it in next 2 vaults

best passive trinket if fights arent long enough for eye

[humble verge]

gonna unironically grab myth shoulders

2nd dinar ok chill

first jester

jastor

[viscid spear]

[shy heron]

My mw has been saddled with a lfr mr pick me up so after I spend my first dinar I'm just vibing

[spice surge]

Thats not a trinket or a rare item

[thorn thorn]

The Q goes crazy

[worthy rose]

hold up

where does the shoulder token drop in the raid

rik reverb drops shoulder token apaprently

shouldnt u just wait to get the shoulder token drop if youre a raider

only mythic dungeoner shitters like me have to catalyst pieces over

[spice surge]

Well you can get it from vault either way

Tier that is, even if you havent killed the raid bosses that drop them

[full sleet]

So I'm on my 630 rogue, and I'm doing the Nightfall incursions and every time I go into stealth and them get close to a mob, I come out of stealth, is there a talent that would cause that?

[haughty flicker]

last time someone mentioned that it was because they were using a nightfall dagger with some weird effect

[full sleet]

This Dagger?

[spice surge]

Intellect

[polar rampart]

me am dumb

[spice surge]

Did you accidently buy the intellect dagger instead of the agility one

[full sleet]

I didn't see the int on it lol

Thank you

[restive birch]

hey guys, im an OL player trying to understand how sin works, here's a log of a 13 workshop, what am I doing wrong? I feel like I'm doing half the dmg I should be, while still making sure

1. all my bleeds are up on as many targets as possible
2. i ramp bleeds -> dm -> shiv -> kb -> as many envenoms as possible without dropping caus or bleeds
3. i open with ambush
4. i full focus on the prio target, and only swap to spread when I don't have vanish
   I've never really understood why I do/dont do dmg on sin, and I really want sin to be close to my outlaw, but on dummies im doing about 1m less dps. I wanna know what I'm doing wrong so I can fix it. Thanks

(ps, im geared for OL using off pieces from keys for sin)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pFKdQvhZbX9WyVqt?fight=84&type=summary

[haughty flicker]

yup the other guy made the same mistake

punishment for buying an int dagger

[hidden bay]

first split we did (i havent watched where shit drops) we were on stix and i was like "YEEEEEEEES FINALLY AN DAGGER"

it was an int dagger

burried myself

[viscid spear]

Are you the only Rogue?

[hidden bay]

no

[viscid spear]

There hasn't been another Rogue on any of my raid teams on any tier since Ny'alotha

Outlaw Rogue won the Carapace dagger because he wanted to try out Assassination.

This was our first kill, and I needed them too since I was actually Assassination

[barren zenith]

is it worth reappling ruptures on smaller mobs that might only survive like half of the duration of it just for scent of blood to kill a prio target that's still alive?

or do I just rupture one of the for energy and keep envenoming the prio

with hybrid

[hidden bay]

you can rupture snipe targets if they are about to die

[barren zenith]

yeah but it's not worth it for the scent of blood stacks, right?

[hidden bay]

for this you should be under 50% energy

nope

[barren zenith]

got it, tyty

[balmy condor]

playing zeross build in a 13 in diabolical first of all

aside from insane talents, you're just straight up not pressing cds. 9 deathmarks/19kb/38 shiv in 30 minutes isn't gonna work out, especially as you're playing forced induction/dashing/tkk you gotta be pressing shiv and kb way more

and your vanishes are uh

not ideal

as seen here

right at the start you vanish into a dead pack

you got 5 total vanishes for the entire dungeon

kinda crazy

and most of these vanishes aren't even doing anything

[hidden bay]

toxic

[polar rampart]

he's helping

[hidden bay]

you have changed since you got internet issues

[balmy condor]

you get 1 rupture off on this one, the next you use it to get your mark on kujo, then you use it to get your mark on garden boss, and the last one actually looks kinda decent

so 3/5 of your vanish casts basically just end up being a mark application on a boss or pointless

not a great ratio

[viscid spear]

[cerulean walrus]

Whispyr needed this. He needs to clown the Zeross build

[balmy condor]

Zeross build is fine

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

just not for this lmao

also idk how you managed to do it but you're playing a build that's really hard to keep energy up on

and still overcapping an insane amount

but I can't quite figure out where you're getting it all from

[worthy rose]

can someone tell me if nightfall isworth doing

for gear

or anything meaningful

[balmy condor]

it is not

[worthy rose]

i am currently 670 with probably the best gear possible

[restive birch]

I see. Tyvm. For the most part I've been using vanish for rupture spreads, then on bosses just to have it on cd, which looking back on it i literally just didnt press it lmao

[worthy rose]

thanks based whispy

[full sleet]

I didn't buy it, I got it from one of the 3 bags

[restive birch]

I was playing zeroes build for the extra ST cause i hated how i was doing like 1.3k dps per boss

[balmy condor]

I mean why are you vanishing on bosses

if you have your mark you have literally 0 vanish to vanish

[restive birch]

mostly just for ambush mark

[hidden bay]

i used zeross build today in raid

[spice surge]

You already have the mark though

[hidden bay]

10/10

[spice surge]

Like if you already have the mark up or darkest night up

[restive birch]

i should probably track mark tbh LOL

[balmy condor]

oh

I see the problem

[polar rampart]

do you have a class set that like tracks your mark stacks and stuff?

[balmy condor]

okay

[hidden bay]

OH MY

[worthy rose]

im fairly sure you dont have to vanish on a single target

[balmy condor]

you're just straight up letting darkest night expire

that might be an issue

[worthy rose]

vanish for bleed build is just to spread your aoe bleed son aoe pulls

[balmy condor]

like you're going full minutes at a time

without a hero talent

[restive birch]

nvm thats cursed af ok

[balmy condor]

might be SLIGHTLY problematic

[restive birch]

just slightly

[polar rampart]

its the new tech

[worthy rose]

yall gonna ruthlessly tear apart my logs if you see them

[restive birch]

is that the reason why my envenom is significantly lower than others?

[balmy condor]

I mean that's the point isn't it

[balmy condor]

probably a big chunk yes

[worthy rose]

how do you look at logs like that?

[restive birch]

comparing cpm and dmg, everyone has like twice the envenoms and I don't understand why cause I feel energy starved outside of super aoe

[worthy rose]

i should actually look back at some of my logs

[polar rampart]

you click the tabs

[worthy rose]

on raiderio?

[balmy condor]

darkest night is 60% envenom damage but also guaranteed crit

[polar rampart]

no, you go to the log on warcraftlogs

[balmy condor]

so not having darkest night envenoms

hurts pretty bad

[waxen oyster]

it also gives energy

[balmy condor]

yeh

[worthy rose]

OH

SO THATS WHY SOMETIMES MY ENVENOMS HIT FOR 7MIL

[cerulean walrus]

Nah he’s playing Dragonflight

[worthy rose]

AND SOMETIMES I AM A SAD BOI WITH 400K ENVENOMS

based whispy has taught me something today

[restive birch]

I see, that also explains being energy starved more than usual

[balmy condor]

like maybe 40-50% of your envenom damage in a dungeon

is darkest night

darkest night

is insane

[cerulean walrus]

DN

[worthy rose]

wait ok

so im on the warcraftlogs page for my charcater

where do i see the dungeon runs

[balmy condor]

Did you log them

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

Logs don’t upload themselves ya know

!wcl

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[worthy rose]

oh

no

i dont log anything

[cerulean walrus]

[worthy rose]

btu then again there must be a way to see the logs of the dungeon coz my firends tell me about my dungeons

ins ome of the discusisons we have

maybe i can look at the logs from my friends logs

[cerulean walrus]

When you look at your dungeons you’ll see either Log or Leaderboard next to the run

[worthy rose]

hold up

[balmy condor]

I mean maybe they log them

Then it would show up on your character

Dungeon logs are miserable to analyze though

So prepare for that

It’s giga aids

[shy heron]

They are

[restive birch]

so use vanish more (to get mark + spread rupture), dump darkest night the second i get it, and just use cds more

and also just play a better build lol

[shy heron]

They kind of exist to be there and say "huh ok"

[worthy rose]

this means im doing doodoo right

LOL

[balmy condor]

Pretty much yes

[restive birch]

kk, tyvm

[worthy rose]

wait this is just a general page

hold up

[balmy condor]

Dungeon parses don’t mean anything, you’d have to open an actual log

[worthy rose]

i clicked the drop down

and i went to mythic season 2

[polar rampart]

switch to damage

[balmy condor]

Even if you switch to damage the parse is entirely pointless

Dungeon parses mean literally jack shit

[worthy rose]

i am lost

i have no idea what im looking at

i dont think these are my stats

its just general stats

[shy heron]

That's because logs aren't automatic and almost no one logs dungeons

So it's going to basically be the exact same data as raider.io

[waxen oyster]

the distribution of my dungeons page is so funny

"Spot the vault filler"

[worthy rose]

oh i see the dungeon logs now

[short pine]

DAMN RIGHT

[worthy rose]

so not all my dungeon runs have been logged

damn

[shy heron]

It me

[short pine]

caps lock

[worthy rose]

i dont even know which spec i was using in this run

[waxen oyster]

same

[short pine]

i have an idea

[worthy rose]

ayy

89% on that priory run

im top 10% maybe

nah im pretty bad

or average

[waxen oyster]

forced induction tech

[balmy condor]

I can’t repeat myself a third time

Doomed

Forget it

[thorn thorn]

Imagine you want some scrambled eggs

[worthy rose]

can you repeat it a third time

jkjk i just want my 3k mount sooner or later

[waxen oyster]

just end bosses around your cds

[worthy rose]

and im done for dungeoning

im like 2950 now

[thorn thorn]

Instead of simply cracking open an egg in the pan and cooking it you instead go outside, slam one into the sidewalk, and try and cook it with a magnifying glass

[worthy rose]

almost there

[thorn thorn]

Thats how useless dungeon parses are

[worthy rose]

then i can just sit around doing 10's to fill vault

[thorn thorn]

[worthy rose]

ezclap

no guild to raid with

[waxen oyster]

dungeon overalls

have druid and shaman buff

else doomed

[worthy rose]

ok can i get u to say it one more time @balmy condor so i can screenshot and send it to my groupchat

based whispy has spoken moment

[gritty laurel]

lol this guy doesn't even have multiple reflectors set up to speed up the sidewalk egg cook time

[worthy rose]

the only reason anyone dungeons is coz the 3k mount

and the vault fills

[thorn thorn]

Ikr, im missing out

[worthy rose]

last season didnt even have a 3k mount

i just did it to fill vault

mount was like what 1600 or 2k

forgot

piss easy stuf

[thorn thorn]

1600 would be a participation trophy

More so than 2k already is

[worthy rose]

it truly is

[waxen oyster]

What is with this season btw

[worthy rose]

ive met asbolutely shitcan vegetables i had to carry through dungeons

[waxen oyster]

with tanks who overpull

and get 1 tapped

[worthy rose]

theres lots of idiot tanks running around

tanks who dont use defensives on tank busters

[thorn thorn]

I really should get 3k but I been lazy af

[worthy rose]

and mak eit a healing mechanic

@thorn thorn same

im sitting at 2950 for a while

[waxen oyster]

whenever i tank i just

hold w

[worthy rose]

when the ilvl boost patch comes

itll be super easy to get 3k

as long as you have two brain cells to rub together

bleed build it with 680 ilvl or some shit

and full send

13s would be piss easy

[gritty laurel]

yeah but then i'd have to play M+ long enough to get 3k and i think i'd rather unsub

[worthy rose]

nah

[thorn thorn]

Im at like

[worthy rose]

you just gotta run 8 13's

[thorn thorn]

2400 something forgor

[runic hinge]

Same

[thorn thorn]

Cba to play this season

[worthy rose]

*4 13's and 4 12's

[thorn thorn]

I havent even gotten all my ports yet

[worthy rose]

this lazy sack

[runic hinge]

I’m at 2820 and just lazy about pushing. Just run 8 10’s and call it

[worthy rose]

il duo with you to get all 10's

if u need

hell even 12's are easy

[thorn thorn]

Nah I dont have issues getting 10s done

The only thing I struggle with is fighting my own laziness

Been playing other stuffs

[worthy rose]

yeah

its finding the right group too

absolute vegetables can make a 10 harder than 14's

but a great team can make a 12/13/14 feel like a 8

[waxen oyster]

There's been some

absolute creatures

in 10s the last few weeks

[worthy rose]

agreed

ive seen 640 ilvl tanks think theyr jesus or something

[runic hinge]

yeah it was me

[worthy rose]

walk into a huge pull and then immediately plank

or some that dont know how to tank bosses with mechanics

motherlode i had a tank who would just not move the boss or put it into the missile barrages and get half the teamkilled

and his duo mage was gassing him up saying he was doing a good job

had to bring out the OCE toxicity after seeing that

shittalked them for like 5min

[waxen oyster]

mage players are like

[worthy rose]

solid 5 min of oce tier shittalking

[waxen oyster]

yeah idk

no

[shy heron]

5 minutes might have been too much

Most only need a solid 45 seconds but I trust your judgment

[waxen oyster]

me when i want to do a cinderbrew for vault

and the tank thinks its smart to pull chewie with 2 hired muscle packs.

Conversely, any tank that thinks doing some convoluted "skip" route.

is smart in a pug

[worthy rose]

💀

if youre trying to do a skip without being a premad eof at least 2-3 in the group of 5

thats brainlet activity

[thorn thorn]

Its me im the vegetable

[worthy rose]

average iq of pugs is in the single digits

[thorn thorn]

Im a key assassin

[worthy rose]

same honestly

[thorn thorn]

I play healer and my super power is its never my key

[worthy rose]

i have my days where i pop off

and i have my days where i rat

on a good day i could be a top 10% rogue

on a bad day im slumming it with the bottom 20%

[thorn thorn]

Love when tanks do this stuff, they take a barrage of hits and die in 0.1s and say "one heal"

Like yea bitch, one heal yourself

[thorn thorn]

5 minutes not enough sometimes

But also

I just dont flame in pugs

[waxen oyster]

most tanks have some self healing

[thorn thorn]

As personal principle, I do not believe in contributing to pug toxicity

[worthy rose]

yall havent experienced true toxicity

[thorn thorn]

If they are being shitty then I just leave

[worthy rose]

until you experience OCE toxicity

[thorn thorn]

Brother I have

[worthy rose]

league of legends OCE server was like THE worst server for toxicity back in the day

when they allowed it to happen

[thorn thorn]

I have seen the OCE players and the Rag players

[worthy rose]

it was the best time ever

[thorn thorn]

Im very serverist now

[worthy rose]

ragnaros?

RAGNAROS?

fuck

dont mention that name to me

EVER

theyr so dogshit i cant

i cant even

i odd

[thorn thorn]

If you OCE or Rag/QT or Azralon sorry you getting auto declined

Sorry not sorry

[worthy rose]

quel thalas too

fuck

those two servers

glad to know they have a reputation outside of my friends groupchat too

[shy heron]

Oce raid time is 5am after I've been drinking all night. I'd like to think I've said some things that barely move the needle

[thorn thorn]

There was a "racist" WA that prevented you from inviting them ever

But blizzard banned it

So now you just have to decline them manually

Feels much more satisfying too

[worthy rose]

LOL

sees rag or qt

instant decline

[thorn thorn]

I do

I stg

Fuck em

[worthy rose]

unless you feel like a farmer that day to grow or carry some vegetables

[thorn thorn]

Azralon too

And barthalas to an extent

No ty

[worthy rose]

is barth bad?

i remember barthilas from back in the day being a hot pvp server

[thorn thorn]

Im on A52 I got enough idiots to deal with

[worthy rose]

like tichondrius/barthilas the peak pvp servers

[waxen oyster]

isnt barth dead nowadays

especially with crossfaction

[thorn thorn]

Barth is dead but some animals still play on it

Not as much as Rag/QT tho

[worthy rose]

wait what he fuck

barthilas is dead now?

it used to be poppin when i played

[waxen oyster]

Is it?

[thorn thorn]

P sure its dead

[worthy rose]

barth and tich were my homeland

[waxen oyster]

It was the oce horde server last i checked

[thorn thorn]

I might be thinking of another one tho

[waxen oyster]

and what was that one guild on it

[shy heron]

I'm here for listing and requiring bare minimum reading comprehension: "note your least favorite vegetable"

[waxen oyster]

ego?

[worthy rose]

probably frost mages

ive so far only met one competent frost mage in my time dungeoning and occasionally raiding

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure alot of the good players from that barth guild

made ethical

[shy heron]

Believe it or not, invited

[waxen oyster]

didnt they

[thorn thorn]

All I know was there was a Barthilas ret paladin I invited in DF S2, ate all of the frontals and shit in HOI, said "gg healer sucks" then left

And now I no longer invite people from that realm

[worthy rose]

frost mages who dont root the wild wallop in dfc are immediaetly kicked

and i restart my resilient 12 key

[waxen oyster]

I know like

the majority of the serious oce raid scene is on frostmourne

so yeah the good players naturally

kind of went there

[thorn thorn]

Frostmourne players get auto declined too

[shy heron]

Cael has a good vibe though

[thorn thorn]

Fuck em

[worthy rose]

yeah frostmourne is where we are all at atm

its the new popping server

pvp has become so difficult now

i cant even

[waxen oyster]

"new"

[worthy rose]

well new to me 🤣

[waxen oyster]

hasnt honestly been oce 1st since like

legion

or earlier

[worthy rose]

i stpped playing in wotlk/cata mang

dont judge

thank god i didnt play in shadowlands

i hate everything from that place with a seething mald

[thorn thorn]

You only missed nathria

[worthy rose]

necrotic wake/theatre of pain/fairly sure il hate the dungeon next season too

fuck

[thorn thorn]

Everything else was either notably mid or just terrible

[worthy rose]

everything about shadowlands is so ass

[thorn thorn]

Like Necrotic

Everybody loved the Necrotic Affix

[waxen oyster]

hey who wants to do plaguefall for the 200th time of the expansion

for phial

[worthy rose]

💀

shadowlands was the death of wow

i dont care what anyone says

[shy heron]

Nah

[worthy rose]

im lokoing at it now and hate it

i cant possibly imagine the players who had to play though it

[shy heron]

BFA

[thorn thorn]

BFA/SL were both the downfall

[worthy rose]

i heard friends talking about titanforging

was that in bfa

[shy heron]

Yes

[worthy rose]

apparently you could do some random shitter content

and get a godmode item titanforged

or you could do some mythic high level prog raid

and get the best drop

but its not titanforged so its dogshit

💀

[thorn thorn]

yep

[shy heron]

The Titanforge memes were good but the system was a hot mess

[worthy rose]

whoever introduced multiple layers of rng into the game on the already rng of the game needs to be shot

whoever the dev was that implemented that

take them out back around the dumpster

and hit em with the shovel

[waxen oyster]

i think titanforging mythic was like

+10 ilvl?

off its natty drop

[thorn thorn]

BFA and SL were both a mess of xpacs and neither inovated in any decent or rememberable

[waxen oyster]

iirc base mythic in ep was 445

[worthy rose]

also is shadowlands the one where they completely retconned arthas

[waxen oyster]

and tf was 455

[worthy rose]

and made him a bitchboy

[hollow river]

tich/sargeras

and some a52

[worthy rose]

apparently lorewise some retcon around there was controversial

[hollow river]

also some QT/Rag players are insane

[worthy rose]

maybe he was the millionth customer that day

and got a sepcial prize

[thorn thorn]

Shadowlands lore was a mess

[shy heron]

Warforge could only go so high. Titanforge went alllllllllll the way

[waxen oyster]

warforge was +5 or +10

[worthy rose]

oh yeah also the gemming situation now in tww s2

its not so bad

i remember back in the wotlk and cata days almost eveyr piec eof gear had a gem socket

and you needed the matching color sockets too

prismatic sockets were a rarity

to use your meta gems you needed like 2 reds or 1 blue or whatever

and gems were expensvie af

[waxen oyster]

actually what was more problematic in bfa

was rng proccing sockets imo

especially with how strong gems were

[worthy rose]

which was the expansion with legendary gems

i distinctly remember at one point there were legendary gems

you had to socket in

[waxen oyster]

mop

[shy heron]

Sidestepping random proc corruptions entirely

[waxen oyster]

the caster lego gem was a mini bloodlust

the melee one was like 1-2% of your damage

[pine orbit]

what is rupture sniping?

[shy heron]

Casting rupture in order to maximize the damage you get from sudden demise

[thorn thorn]

Insanely dumb yea

[shy heron]

I see zeross cooking love you buddy

[winged sun]

[hollow river]

?

i mean good

[winged sun]

Notrickz u are in sin channel!

[thorn thorn]

Ill believe it when I see it in the wild

All of them I see are animals

[winged sun]

Me love you too full homo

[thorn thorn]

They also are just unpleasent to deal with

[hollow river]

getting a little borderline here

[winged sun]

Notrickz when m+ stream?

[hollow river]

but yeah i've boosted with multiple teams from those realms and they were cracked

back in sl

[thorn thorn]

Im not sure what you mean by borderline

I refer to all terrible M+ players as animals

[hollow river]

right

[worthy rose]

how hard is it to get some 13's timed

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/animals-with-captions-good-night-animal-cute-kitten-cute-animal-small-kitten-gif-15945838751403537431

[worthy rose]

might just pay one of u guys to carry me through

[thorn thorn]

According to key levels a bit harder than 12s

[hollow river]

pretty easy if you know the dungeons and how to do dmg/interrupt etc

[worthy rose]

i stg thats exactly what my firends said

when i asked them

and its like damn

captn obvious type answer but the only accruate answer 🤣

[thorn thorn]

All shitposters share a braincell what can I say

It may not be a smart one, but it is shared

[worthy rose]

the hive mind braincell

i swear the hardest part i have is just finding the groups to do it with

[thorn thorn]

Finding a good consistent group is always the hard part

Gotta network, start adding good players you find in your keys

Or convince some good friends to slam their heads against keys with you until morale improves

[worthy rose]

thats what i do tbh

its funnier when i come on my shadow priest

100% a rat

i do like 700k dps and get them to carry me to the finish line LOL

[thorn thorn]

PI bot at that point

[waxen oyster]

alt keys are a special experience

well when pugging

did more damage than a uh dk as veng

in a priory

[thorn thorn]

7-10s are a religious experience on alts

[worthy rose]

yeah

LOL

[thorn thorn]

You transcend to a deeper level of understanding

[waxen oyster]

i also fucked up and had dps loot

[worthy rose]

my whole purpose of being there was to PI my other friends ele sham

[waxen oyster]

no tome for me

got signet

[thorn thorn]

Massive L

[worthy rose]

whats the funniest part is

that one motherlode i ratted yesterday

i got like one or two pieces of gear

i forgot

so i came out mega ahead LOL

[waxen oyster]

my alts are like

barely ratty tbh

bless delves

[thorn thorn]

Delves massive W addition for alts

[waxen oyster]

though enhance i kind of just

astral shift when alot going on

big spooky

[worthy rose]

i think my priest is around 640-650 ilvl now which isnt too bad

but my dps is just straight in the shitter

i was raiding holy last season and was doing fairly good

but no raid groups now this season so its been benched

and unfortunately my shadow dps is nonexistent LOL

[waxen oyster]

especially now that you can force a map every week

[thorn thorn]

Ask Sael how to do dam as shadow

[waxen oyster]

that and the delve trinkets are, really good

[worthy rose]

i think the key here

[waxen oyster]

well some

[worthy rose]

is to just

single button rotation shadow

when the ilvl boost patch comes

[waxen oyster]

if you get a stat proc trinket

[thorn thorn]

Aintnoway

[waxen oyster]

and not one of the damage ones

[thorn thorn]

Some of the delve trinkets are massive winners

Like drink

[waxen oyster]

drink mechanocore

and funhouse for some specs

idk how good candle confidant is in s2

for casters

[thorn thorn]

It was decent in S1 for demo since mastery benefits

[waxen oyster]

if i ever bother to learn ele

good thing the two specs run the same stats

[worthy rose]

whats the likelihood we think that next season for rogues

trinkets again wll be dungeon trinkets

iirc s1 was dungeon trinkets bis

and s2 we are currently with dungeon trinks bis again

prayge s3 will be the same way

dont have to set foot in raid

[thorn thorn]

Depends on the trinkets from next raid

[waxen oyster]

i mean technically

[thorn thorn]

And which dungeons we get

[waxen oyster]

hoc is better than signet

[thorn thorn]

Skardyns was yuge last season

[waxen oyster]

skardyn was just a generic 2min on use

[brave comet]

I am delving into my logs, and i find winning streak kinda sucks. It creates such a massive disparity between envenoms depending in how often it resets

Yuck

[thorn thorn]

RNG

[worthy rose]

only by a tiny bit tho right

[waxen oyster]

yeah paying attention to winning streak

[worthy rose]

hoc is the selfish self buff

[waxen oyster]

is an L

[worthy rose]

signet is the teamwide buff

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure signet is still less

and it wont give you mastery unless the people in your party also have highest mastery

technically if you wanted to hate yourself in s1, egg from ovinaxx was the best passive trinket

[worthy rose]

according ot the bloodmallet sim

[thorn thorn]

[worthy rose]

its like 0.02% worse signet

which is essentially margin of error

its the same at least

realistically

[thorn thorn]

Egg was stinky asf to play

[waxen oyster]

your signet runs the chance of being inted

by your flask

[winged sun]

people are cooked why are there people copying my build in low keys

[waxen oyster]

if your stats are close

[worthy rose]

which flask are you using?

crit flask or alchemi chaos

[waxen oyster]

alchemical obviously

[worthy rose]

💀 i see you like to gamble dangerously

[waxen oyster]

i mean this is if your mastery is close

[winged sun]

Alchemical gives you all stats

In potions

[waxen oyster]

to your other stats

[winged sun]

Which is op

Since we dont rly care about stats all that much

[worthy rose]

i use crit flask coz im poverty af

[thorn thorn]

They missed the "do not play in low keys" disclaimer

As people usually do

[worthy rose]

and i dont like using tempered potions

[waxen oyster]

like if you have high critand your flask goes crit when your pacemaker procs

you do run the chance of your signet giving crit

[winged sun]

Its not just that its infinitely harder to play

[worthy rose]

what is high crit

[thorn thorn]

People wanna be like their favorite streamer what can I say

[waxen oyster]

well enough that flask and pacemaker would make crit your highest stat

[amber brook]

I like that build in roomery

Rookery

[buoyant herald]

pretty sure 80% of the wow playerbase doesn't even know what "context" means when it comes to build following etc

[winged sun]

I feel bad for whispyr

[buoyant herald]

you can't tell them "it's harder"

because thats just a challenge accepted type thing

[winged sun]

Can’t imagine the amount of questions going out there about WHAT BUILD TO PLAY

Like if u have to ask just use the one in wowhead and call it a day

[hollow river]

you should make your r.io message "don't copy my build if you're doing anything below a 17 scrubs"

[thorn thorn]

Its usually the same song and dance for most specs

[amber brook]

Zeroes feeling how whispyr feeling

[bronze pike]

people will ignore that

cause

[thorn thorn]

Streamer makes build for high keys, explains why not to use it and reasons, people use it anyway

Guide writers get questions about it

[winged sun]

I might 👍

[bronze pike]

squish vegan does that :) and people still think his builds are bis and guides are wrong

[hollow river]

it would still be fucking funny

[winged sun]

Maybe not the scrubs part

[sacred schooner]

[thorn thorn]

Do itttttt

It would be amazing

[hollow river]

noobs then?

[thorn thorn]

Noobs is good

[winged sun]

I like scrubs more

[sacred schooner]

like mobs dont live long enough to justify kb, why even bother pick it

[hollow river]

[thorn thorn]

I like scrubs more tho

[thorn thorn]

KB is cool

[rotund oak]

as cool as a corpse,very cool intended

[thorn thorn]

💀

[rotund oak]

💀

[thorn thorn]

Very true

[winged sun]

How much does kb even do on low keys prob nothing rigjt

[thorn thorn]

Excluding bosses very high chance very little

[winged sun]

Bleed you’ll always get full value out of all ur gcds

[worthy rose]

we gotta give zeross the whispyr treatment

[sacred schooner]

nothing cant even use it full duration

and its 13\14

[worthy rose]

i dont think mobs live long enough to really even use kingsbane

in a sub 13 key

[sacred schooner]

even worse below

[worthy rose]

helle ven boss fights on mythics you cant really deathmark twice in a fight

until its like 13-14

[rotund oak]

KB went from a smol nuke button to ''ok,maybe i'll take it,it's prio dmg''

[waxen oyster]

i feel most people

dont know wtf prio damage is

its a streamer buzzword

atp

[rotund oak]

yup

[sacred schooner]

prio as assa

[rotund oak]

its copium yapping

[winged sun]

Prio dmg is only relevant in high keys

Very high keys

[hidden bay]

you where KB slaps? in a fatebound build

[sacred schooner]

that was good :))) very

[hidden bay]

[thorn thorn]

I miss the days of KB being a nuke button

[winged sun]

Same as arcane but only in high keys not lower ones unfortunately

[rotund oak]

gutted like a fish

[thorn thorn]

I will never forget the great nerfening of KB

[winged sun]

Highest burst prio dmg is ele sham

By a mile

Its rly op

[thorn thorn]

Ele is very stronk

[worthy rose]

i miss the days where we only had to worry about hunger for blood

[winged sun]

It can really destroy one mob

Very very hard

[sacred schooner]

our prio is worst against any other class, if you forced to do it, that sounds so sad

[winged sun]

Im not sure what you mean

[sacred schooner]

i mean if kb is on cd, we cant do any "prio" since its all dots

[winged sun]

Sin has the highest prio in the game but only in really high keys

[waxen oyster]

singular focus

kinda cranks

[shy heron]

You should play subtlety because your DPS collapses like a house of cards just like if you had dropped your 3 stack of hfb when you mismanage your cool down

[winged sun]

You cannot notice or see that in lower keys

[winged sun]

And crimson tempest unironically

Snapshot

[waxen oyster]

ye

[rotund oak]

like it alot,imagine tuning it up a bit

maybe like

[worn marsh]

and the fact that you're mashing envenom in aoe

[sacred schooner]

ok, i do only low keys so cant tell 🙂 will just believe you

[rotund oak]

50% something something

[waxen oyster]

wounded quarry better version

technically

[winged sun]

I haven’t played with a havoc since ptr

Cant tell if their prio is as good it could be better

[waxen oyster]

people dont play havoc

unless its aggressively outperforming other specs

i've noticed

[hollow river]

its really good

its just less overall dmg than assa tho so like

not really worth at that point

[waxen oyster]

also meta chasers just jerk off vdh

[hollow river]

yeh

i've been playing a lot of havoc

[winged sun]

Kinda same as arcane, atm ppl are playing arcane because its way easier than assa and its way tankier and has lust

Like if u dont need lust, assa is way better than mage

[hollow river]

if i ever drop the warglaives

[waxen oyster]

veng getting hunt resets

[hollow river]

i may never come back to rogue

[waxen oyster]

works really nice with aldrachi

what azzinoth?

[hollow river]

[rotund oak]

MH took me couple of years to drop

[hollow river]

yeah

[rotund oak]

[waxen oyster]

i got both halves in 3 resets

on my rogue

[hollow river]

fk off

[rotund oak]

wild

[hollow river]

i've been doing it on both my DHs for weeks

[waxen oyster]

i use magetower though

better skin

[worthy rose]

wtf

thats illegal

i only manged to get the azzinoth daggers for my knockoff valeera xmog

[hollow river]

the daggers drop constantly

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[worthy rose]

yeah thats what i mean

[waxen oyster]

i was just bored in legion prepatch

[worthy rose]

i only just managed to get dagers which is a common drop but i only just got it

[waxen oyster]

so just went to poke illidan a lil

[worthy rose]

versus how did this guy get the warglaives in 3 resets

fkn illegal i swear

[winged sun]

I have mainhand glaive on a dh and offhand on another dh

But i do have both on my warrior though

Which works i guess

[worthy rose]

do yall think its worth doing the quest for tiriosh and golad

[winged sun]

I got mine in 2 resets on my warrior

[worthy rose]

deathwings daggers

[worthy rose]

i will fkn

[waxen oyster]

yeah i unlocked the warglaive mog like

[worthy rose]

shank u with a rusty spork outside tescos

in the parking lot

[waxen oyster]

the first bt tw

[worthy rose]

thats it im meeting u outside tescos

[waxen oyster]

they're too low res

to use imo

[worthy rose]

cash me ousside how bow dat

[waxen oyster]

magetower is just better

[hollow river]

i like the OG a lot more

[winged sun]

Trueing

[worthy rose]

if you have the green mage tower daggers that kind alook like valeeras daggers i will hate u

[waxen oyster]

the assa magetower skin?

yeah

[worthy rose]

jealous

[winged sun]

@hollow river did u play wow when rogues flexed warglaives+swift spectral tiger in durotar?

[hollow river]

ye

[winged sun]

Those were the prime pvp days

[waxen oyster]

i dont have the old pvp skins

[winged sun]

I loved pvp back then

[waxen oyster]

or red/green enchants

[rotund oak]

deathwing as in fangs of the father?

[winged sun]

I was also rly bad at it though

[rotund oak]

thats deterministic

[hollow river]

i was too young to even try to get them back then

[waxen oyster]

i liked fangs with wraithchill

but the color of the daggers is so hard to match

[rotund oak]

fangs suck as a tmog

[waxen oyster]

unless using t8

[winged sun]

Yeah i didnt have them either

[rotund oak]

but the proc was wild back in the day

fury of the destroyer was mad

[waxen oyster]

25man color of t8

[rotund oak]

silly dmg

[waxen oyster]

is the only mog that matches

imo

[worthy rose]

yeah

tiriosh and golad

[winged sun]

I think dueling died end of cata @hollow river

In mop it was sad kinda

[rotund oak]

yeah those u can start and get anytime u want,its a quest,u farm every reset

[winged sun]

I rly loved pvp in cata and wolk

[worthy rose]

i distinctly remember the fuckin tentacle sword to be way more OP

and cracked

if a warrior had one it was like a perma hamstring slow

[winged sun]

Idk what happened but i feel like panda land ruined the pvp vibes abit

[worthy rose]

same

[rotund oak]

that was gurthalak iirc

[winged sun]

Wod did bring it back though

[hollow river]

wdym

[worthy rose]

yeah thats the one

[winged sun]

Wod was kinda decent

Oh

[worthy rose]

that sword was the bane of my existence in rated bg's

[winged sun]

We did duel in moo

[waxen oyster]

wod is why you can get cc'ed

[winged sun]

Mop*

[waxen oyster]

during killing spree

[winged sun]

Around pvp vendors

[hidden bay]

which ones

[winged sun]

In the walls

[rotund oak]

i did 2.3 playing another man's warrior with heroic gurthalak,it was disgusting

[winged sun]

I remember now

[worthy rose]

the mage tower challenge mode has the dagger base model that looks like valeeras one

[rotund oak]

neve rplayed warrior in my life before

[hidden bay]

brother

[worthy rose]

then if you kill kiljaeden it gives the green color

which looks even closer

[hidden bay]

i have no idea which ones you talking about

[worthy rose]

its not the exact daggers valeera uses

but its as close as you can possibly get

@hidden bay this one is the base for doing the mage tower

[hidden bay]

who doesnt have em

[winged sun]

Those are goooood

[worthy rose]

this is the green version

[hidden bay]

[winged sun]

I use them everyday

[rotund oak]

those are legion stage 2

[worthy rose]

the green version is as close as you can possibly get to valeera

im sad i cant get that skin

ever

rip

[hidden bay]

best daggers?

obviously those

[worthy rose]

if i could get that green skin id racechange to blood elf

[hidden bay]

no questions asked

[worthy rose]

why does that look like its from shadowlands

[hidden bay]

bro

you dont know those???

[winged sun]

U cant?

[rotund oak]

best daggers are from SoD,the red ones

[worthy rose]

mage tower skin not possible to get anymore

[hidden bay]

Fang of the Pit

Mannoroth

[worthy rose]

it was only during legion

[winged sun]

Oh thought u have the baseline

[worthy rose]

and i didnt play in legion

feels cry man

no i dont

[winged sun]

Yeah well

[worthy rose]

i didnt play in legion

best i can do is the azzinoth daggers

[winged sun]

Ngl its nice to have exclusives

Feels better when u have them

[rotund oak]

u also need glorious tyranny enchant

[hollow river]

feels ass when you don't

[winged sun]

Yea

[hidden bay]

[hollow river]

just because you didn't know they existed

[worthy rose]

on the azzinoth daggers?

[rotund oak]

on everything

[worthy rose]

holy that looks good

is that vengeful gladiator

or cruel gladiaotr?

[hollow river]

like i have the new shadowlands mage tower stuff

[rotund oak]

full set on a belf,ill pass

[hidden bay]

rocking this rn tho

[short pine]

GYATT

[worthy rose]

still cant believe you got the og nax skin

[waxen oyster]

I like balance of power

idk

[hollow river]

but the daggers are so sick i woulda played legion just for them if i had any idea they existed

[worthy rose]

thats a flex of your wow wallet ngl

[hidden bay]

just farm it???

[worthy rose]

is this the skin you get from doing 15+ mythic?

[ebon glen]

I wish we could choose to sheath them on our waist or back, not be forced to have them on back.

[rotund oak]

what a gorgeous babe 😍

[worthy rose]

on the kingslayer

[waxen oyster]

whtie tabard is free

[hollow river]

bonescythe? thats ez

[waxen oyster]

yeah one of the balance of power skins

[winged sun]

Best one is feral druid and guardian

[hidden bay]

i farmed bonescythe after i came back into this addon

i stopped playing last 2 addons

[winged sun]

Sad they brought another variant of the guardian druid but that’s understandable

Because they had to give the mage tower some attention when it came back

[worthy rose]

thats just black market auction house right

but you gotta wait and outbid everyoen else

[hidden bay]

no

[worthy rose]

a true flex of the wallet

[hollow river]

no

not anymore

[ebon glen]

You can craft t3 now

[worthy rose]

or is that the wotlk nax skin

[hollow river]

thats how i got it, from the BMAH

[hidden bay]

you can unlock old nax, farm parts etc. get a guy to purify parts bla bla

[hollow river]

i got it all within a month or two

[winged sun]

Same

[worthy rose]

damn thats nuts

[rotund oak]

humans are the most beautiful race period,everyone else is furry coping

[thorn thorn]

Horny jail immediately

[hollow river]

crafting it still costs a lot

like 2-3m

[winged sun]

Ya

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[winged sun]

I have the warrior one looks nice too

Was thinking of crafting the mage one but i dont play mage unfortunately

[hollow river]

here we go again

[rotund oak]

💀

dont wanna

but u have higher chances getting ashes

[hollow river]

AYO

[rotund oak]

the F

[hidden bay]

today is your day

[rotund oak]

bro is vibing

[winged sun]

WOFNEIDNSIDNSWIDJSJW

SHEEEEEESH

I felt it man

[hollow river]

off hand down

[rotund oak]

gz gz

[sacred schooner]

gz

[hollow river]

now i just need the main hand

[sacred schooner]

[hollow river]

then we wait for tbc timewalking

[sacred schooner]

i thought that was second one

[short pine]

do yall just spatter for adds on gally or switch, i prolly should just spatter em right

switching never good

[winged sun]

Brb sleep

Gn chat

[short pine]

goodnight

[winged sun]

[hidden bay]

we are a hit the boss spec

[short pine]

ok so i can blame all the other dps

i just needed validation

i blame everyone else

[sacred schooner]

yes just let ranges do the adds

[worthy rose]

assassination is pretty much a funnel tbh

[sacred schooner]

solved

[worthy rose]

so just focus gally and cleave the adds imo

[hidden bay]

can you rupture adds? yes, if they stay alive for longer than 9 seconds
can you rupture adds if they are low? yes, only use this method of rupture sniping if you are below 50% energy

[buoyant herald]

assassination is possibly the worst target swapping spec in game

[short pine]

good info

fucking

[hidden bay]

maybe its 8 seconds

i cant remember

[short pine]

can’t get aotc it’s taken me 4 days to get into a singular party

mythics is worse i can’t even play the game

how do yall get parties

[buoyant herald]

i see this so often but like...i dunno maybe OCE is different

i have no issue getting into groups, at least no more than i'd expect being a non meta dps

[sacred schooner]

try wme

[strange tundra]

Good morning gamers

[sacred schooner]

ez to get into groups up to 12

[short pine]

i literally applied to groups (9-10 keys as 665) and didn’t get into anything for an hour

[buoyant herald]

oh yeah well that's different

[strange tundra]

😭

[buoyant herald]

but up to 12/13/14 it seems kinda fine

[short pine]

and then put my key up for half an hour and got a 640 tank for a 10 but that’s prolly just my luck

[short pine]

oh my god i keep forgetting this exists

i literally made a tank just so that i can actually play the game

[strange tundra]

I'm trying to do all 15s and it takes 20 years ro find group
I have better luck paying someone for their resi to join

[sacred schooner]

well i'm also having hard times getting into 14s since i didnt time any only all 13s :x everyone looking for udk\amage\balance

[worthy rose]

you guys with resilient keys get paid to join?

[sacred schooner]

and i'm too lazy to make my own grp

[worthy rose]

ayo? what is this

[short pine]

i started playing last season and haven’t even thought of doing anything above a 10

[strange tundra]

Yes some guy paid me 50k for 2 tries of my resi ToP and he had Internet issues so he left after 1st boss 2 tries lol

[short pine]

wtf is a resi

[strange tundra]

Resilient key

[short pine]

yeah what is that

[sacred schooner]

keys that dont decrease

[short pine]

wtf

i’ve never heard of this before

[strange tundra]

If u time all keys 12 they don't deplete

Then all 13