assassination

[lean plover]

if you are full hp you can feint and it wont kill you

[runic hinge]

yes

[silk sundial]

I'll have to try that. I hate those guys and the void circle guys in the hallway of rookery. Anything that forces melee downtime lol

[humble verge]

actually 12% on mugzee

surely we kill today

consistently hitting p3

[karmic orbit]

new to rogue, which elvui actionbars setting stops it from swapping them when in stealth / out of stealth

[winter vapor]

for stix, holding CD's for 40s ish at start, do you continue to hold a bit to line up KB and full send with other add spawns yes?

[runic hinge]

get rid of elv

[strange tundra]

why

[runic hinge]

uses a bunch of ram and kinda useless with edit mode, just free up 30 frames to not use it

[karmic orbit]

don't have any issues with it tho

[strange tundra]

same plus it looks cool

[topaz hare]

anyone can see a raidbots report right

[golden loom]

default UI bis

[karmic orbit]

how do you stop it from swapping in default ui

[strange tundra]

i have dominos for bars but i hide them all anyway, i use WA for spells

[topaz hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/idB2ZbErmJSgz1zdn3H9Xu

anyone look at this lmk any changes that you brainiacs might see i could do. regular dungeon slice. lmk

[humble verge]

hehe nice.

[fallow canopy]

based

[hidden bay]

i love fatebound on sprocket

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/42?boss=3013&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&heroTree=52 what you gonna do

[strong wigeon]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[coral ibex]

all that just to do less than ds logs

fuck fatebound all my homies hate fatebound

[hidden bay]

#1 in hero tree, its obvious that i am the best fatebound player out there

[coral ibex]

in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[hidden bay]

its true

[late niche]

if CT snapshots does that mean its worth hitting the affix with a boss this week

[golden loom]

its very good to do yeah

[late niche]

ok cool

[golden loom]

5 target CT big dam

[late niche]

thought so wasnt sure if it worked on the affix

(ive been doing it anyways)

[coral ibex]

wow

[coral ibex]

no invite

[humble verge]

sorry

i wanted to post this

not the spotify invite

:<

[hidden bay]

bandit is our bitch

[rotund oak]

Is that ramsham actually ramfam or an impostor?

[tropic jewel]

i know this is a long shot and i guess that its dump to ask but why the actual hell is my envenom avg cast 3,4 and this guy 5,65

this is the first 30 sec of fight

ah wait messed up

[brave comet]

would you apply garrote on ads in OAB in mythic?

[hidden bay]

no

if adds are alive long enough you can rupture and you can also rupture snipe if you are below 50% energy

[brave comet]

do you know the rotation?

[tropic jewel]

is there a problem ?

[humble verge]

[fallow canopy]

Almost there

[cerulean walrus]

Do you want to just post the log

[tropic jewel]

it just mythic trys but that try shoudl be fine

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XD4FKYtAg2QHqzj8?fight=43&type=damage-done&source=21

[hidden bay]

luckiest opener ever

[fallow canopy]

Just proc lmao

[tropic jewel]

any crucial things which im doing wrong ?

[topaz hare]

just did a sim with that fatebound ST is kinda nice, with bleed 1.8m with fatebound 2.3m patchwerk

[hidden bay]

yea but its sadly not reliable

[topaz hare]

aww how so

[humble verge]

not even on top of the meters

[mighty vine]

If you constantly flip coins you miss out on the 6% agi or whatever and your DPS is dead last

[tropic jewel]

what u mean ?

[red schooner]

pretty much the same

[topaz hare]

youre reffering to hand of fate?

[coral ibex]

no

you have to win a 50/50 coin flip in your opener to get your capstone

or get a 1/128 7-streak outside your opener somehow

you also do a lot less damage if you are constantly flipping opposite coins

you do more damage matching coin flips

[frank trench]

What is the trick to doing big dam on Rik and stix

[humble verge]

im just fucking with you :DDDD

[frank trench]

My Rik, stix, and one arm are abhorrent :0

[topaz hare]

hmm yeah that rng on a spec is crazy

one reason why i hate outlaw tbh cuz that roll

[tropic jewel]

i think i found the damage diff myself

[coral ibex]

on rik you need good barrel spawns or a good tank to drag the boss to the adds

on stix you also want lots of the adds to get pulled into the boss

[strange python]

what does this mean in the LE WA

the +1 CP

[coral ibex]

what icon is that

[strange python]

rupture

i singled it out from the rest of the WA pack

[coral ibex]

no idea

how many cp did you cast it with

[strange python]

well im not casting anything at all rn, it actually looks like this while sitting idle

just tryna learn what the +1/2 means

@slate crown

[subtle tundra]

youre getting at least that many CP when using it

[cerulean walrus]

Bone Spike CP

That will be generated

[strange python]

thank you

does this affect rotation

[cerulean walrus]

No

[strange python]

is vanish no longer used in ST? (sorry for the many questions swapping from outlaw)

this spec has so few buttons kinda nice

[cerulean walrus]

Unless you have Imp Garrote or MA

No

[strange python]

heard

[cerulean walrus]

You can use it to reapply DSM if you fuck up or a boss phases or something

[strange python]

also i ran a sim and it didnt use 2 thistle teas during kingsbane only one for the second part of it, is there a reason that it holds? i read the guide and it recommends always pairing shiv and tea

oh wait

i see about the "dry shiv" now

[cerulean walrus]

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-8063209

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/129594743393878017/1012610560124268614/bimplyactvity.gif

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-left-me-broken-speech-bubble-monday-left-me-broken-speech-monday-left-me-broken-monday-cat-speech-bubble-monday-cat-gif-15434776544662263303

[hearty reef]

still no new pin

[cerulean walrus]

Don’t leak Quake’s Amazon order like that wtf

[jovial idol]

Hey guys, what's the go to build for M+?

Is the the bleed build?

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[low thicket]

[weary spear]

Bleed or hybrid both go to

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-goes-insane-whose-toes-are-those-monkey-glitch-gif-27073059

[golden loom]

This bandit fella HAS TO STOP PARRYING

[red schooner]

ask him politely

[strange python]

sim still doing weird shit tho, does it always hold at least one charge of thistle tea?

[low thicket]

one arm, max parry stat

[viscid spear]

It's a robot, just hit it

[manic anvil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/artorias-dark-souls-dark-souls-sword-gif-8576502

[topaz hare]

Nice mog

[thorn thorn]

tyty

[jovial idol]

Which one does more overall damage? I don't care if I time the key or not I just wanna look good on the meters

[manic anvil]

can somneone share with me kb dmg weakaura

[strange python]

bleed for lower keys hybrid for higher

you arent going to get value out of Kingsbane in a 3

[cerulean walrus]

You aren’t going to get value out of Kingsbane in a 12

[low thicket]

bleed good for even higher keys

[strange python]

you dont think kingsbane is good even for higher prio mobs in a 12? like priory st on minibosses?

[weary spear]

Bleed best for overall damage. Probably sims the same if played perfect but bleed much easier to play closer to how the robot does it

[spice surge]

Kingsbane is whatever, its not particularly strong rn

[cerulean walrus]

^

[weary spear]

More forgiving if you lose uptime in AOE

[strange python]

i did play ass in S1 so maybe im bias

[winged quail]

The poison build “feels” better to me but it’s hard to deny the bleed damage, singletarget is just so boring

[spice surge]

Amplifying poison is really strong though, makes for some strong envenoms and spatter

[lyric vale]

fk

[weary spear]

It’s boring on all the builds lol

[lyric vale]

what we go for 13th?

[runic hinge]

Kb stinky. Probably gonna be like your 8th highest damage in a key

[weary spear]

Only one I’d say bleed not good for is high cinderbrews for failed batch damage. Caustic wins there

[spice surge]

I'd recommend bleed for pretty much everything below 17s

[lyric vale]

guyso:(

[spice surge]

But its not gonna int your damage if you want to play any of the other variants

[lyric vale]

we go hybrid for +13? or bleed

[vapid jacinth]

Doesn’t hybrid gain value in top as well due to low target counts?

[weary spear]

Pick your fav

[spice surge]

Play whatever you want

Literally

[weary spear]

Bleed feels so good in TOP so idk

[lyric vale]

my friends are flaming my @ss for low st damage but im carry on aoe

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah tell them they’re stupid then

[lyric vale]

idk fk it i like bleed

[cerulean walrus]

Cause no shit

[lyric vale]

heheheheh

[cerulean walrus]

You’re a trash atomizer that’s your job

[lyric vale]

love that

wish had title like that

[cerulean walrus]

And hybrid build ST is fucking whatever anyway so it’s not gonna save you

[lyric vale]

eh

so fuck it

[cerulean walrus]

There you go bud

[weary spear]

Yeah it doesn’t perform any better lol

[lyric vale]

there was build zero intruduced

[cerulean walrus]

That build is useful for approximately 6 people on earth

[weary spear]

Very unforgiving if you lose uptime in AOE because now you don’t even have garottes

[cerulean walrus]

Don’t use his builds

[spice surge]

You just take ST talents

People overthink it

Its just like the other builds except it got more ST talents

It plays the same

[lyric vale]

yeah and key is dark flame

for now i go bleed

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west crown]

the FI build with dashing zero mentioned works well in ToP

[shy sorrel]

Does this look fine for bleed build?

Or should something be above something

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/beaver-бобр-шок-страх-удивление-gif-14735000911025639137

[deft vault]

is there a known bug about renown resetting? im like 99.9% sure i was renown 7 with gallagio and now im renown 1

[silk sundial]

So there was the bug where people could max out their rep. The rolled it back but to get the raid buff again you had delete your galagio hotel card and talk to the quest giver in the hotel again

[deft vault]

i dont have a card so i cant delete it

[main plover]

then u can just accept the rep rewards again inside the raid

[deft vault]

i did last night and im at renown 1

[humble verge]

if we dont kill mugzee tomorrow

were officially washed

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cock-gif-21519482

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/chunk-the-groundhog-chunk-groundhog-staring-staring-into-camera-gif-16517785

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor fix your net for tomorrow

[royal lantern]

question for the smart guy

[spice spire]

Hello Martin

[royal lantern]

if you cum in space, does it push you backwards?

[balmy condor]

Technically yes

Ever so slightly

You probably would notice it

[hidden bay]

😂

[main plover]

how do i sim for no garrote m+ since sims are kinda cooked for it

[hidden bay]

"hey bro we found something (after months) and will fix it (hopefully) but hey! good news; you keep paying the normal price!"

[balmy condor]

You don’t

[main plover]

good thing all secondaries are close to each other i guess

[balmy condor]

Yep

[humble verge]

fak

i have more mp4s to download

[lavish geyser]

how do I play m+ as a non meta spec? I havent played in 3 weeks on this char so im not that high io. I cant get into 14s, and when I try to host I either get ppl with horrible rating, or noone. is it just ggs? cant really get a team, and that also sounds a bit over the top

[hidden bay]

get better

[humble verge]

i dont even bother to push no more

[hidden bay]

do all 12s, who cares bout the rest

[lavish geyser]

well its not even push, its still low pretty low keys imo. and Im just not able to play the game. Got higher rating then my main on a fresh lvl 80 tank in 1 week. -.-

[lusty kraken]

Ever since aug got released the community got giga obsessed with the meta

And would only invite the meta shit

The god comp just ruined everyone’s brain

[lavish geyser]

yeah, idk. just sad that I cant play the game. and just running 13s again isnt fun at all

and tanking isnt as fun as playing rogue

[humble verge]

theres always been a metacomp every tier tho

im pretty sure

atleast since SL imo

prolly bfa

too

[lavish geyser]

kinda looks like a quit the game angle ngl. wait until rogue is meta

[humble verge]

idk it kinda is good

but like, most groups would still rather have boomie mage and dk

you could remove mage for rogue, but then youd need resto

[lavish geyser]

well ýeah, but there is difference between good and meta

[humble verge]

anything can be meta, - you just have to be good at the class/spec

:3

[lavish geyser]

just soo demotevating as well. it would take me a week to get resil on something, just for my tank friend to get it done in 1 day. kik

[lavish geyser]

nah. so youre saying that aug is meta?

[humble verge]

ross is doing 19 keys with arms and resto

and critcake is playing arms with retpal and resto too

aug wont ever be good anymore

[lavish geyser]

yeah but theyre running with teams

[humble verge]

thats the problem

yeah

[lavish geyser]

that is the difference

cant be telling people you need to have a 5 stack to play the gamE XD

[humble verge]

nah nah

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce

[humble verge]

but the people who instantly go for meta

and invite meta

[runic hinge]

[humble verge]

are just insecure imo

they dont believe in other specs

but then also

those meta classes have the utilitiy and certain damage you want somewhere

even wox, whos an outlaw god is now going assa with his team f.exp

[lavish geyser]

I can EASILY sit for 2hrs and not get a single invite or get a key started.

ofc I can take 4 2800s and call it a day, but that sucks

[humble verge]

what key are you doing tho

and what score are you is the question

[lavish geyser]

3060, so not that high. and im just trying to do 14s.

literally signing up for anything. got into a 14 after a combined like 6 hrs of waiting ( over multiple days ofc) and dude didnt pull 2 moles in the start, so we couldnt get enough % to time

[humble verge]

idk, its a game and culture issue icl

people just follow it

even i started coping during s1, deciding to make a dk and also an enha

[fleet pagoda]

that's the best part of pushing keys. if you're searching for 14's for resil, add 13's to the range and hatewatch people relisting their key at a level lower

"oh dang can't believe the meta comp didn't work out bud"

[humble verge]

most people playing meta are ass tho

icl

[fleet pagoda]

exactly

[lavish geyser]

alot of fotm players suck yeah

[humble verge]

thats the issue

[lavish geyser]

but hey theyu get invites

[humble verge]

they quick learn the specs

are ass

but then sometimes get carried

cause one guy in the group is actually a boomie or mage main

[fleet pagoda]

they get their .io up through a battle of attrition that's enabled by fast invites

[radiant sorrel]

Da fuq you mean off meta

are you playing aug

[humble verge]

rogue isnt considered """meta"""

[lavish geyser]

how is rogue meta?

[humble verge]

its up there with all the other goodish specs

mm, ele, enha, ret etc

[lavish geyser]

sure. still no lust or cr

[radiant sorrel]

far from it

[lavish geyser]

so even though its good, ppl wont take

[humble verge]

how come

[radiant sorrel]

well apperantly I am wrong

there are more arms that have done +15 than assrogues

[river vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

[humble verge]

yeah

arms is doing pretty good now

better than last tier

even considering they are capped on cleave and bladestorm

[radiant sorrel]

Was watching wrong thing but there are still more warriors than rogues

[hollow river]

[humble verge]

wait

we are capped to 8 on CT

[hollow river]

it sucks it isn't until June but its better than never

[humble verge]

june is in an month tho

[hollow river]

yes but NOW RIGHT FUCKING NOW is always better

[humble verge]

yeah..

dont expect that with commercial networking issues

atleast not in the US

im glad here that most people having issues, they are mostly fixed within the day

[hollow river]

most issues here get fixed within the day

[humble verge]

apparently not according to whisp

[hollow river]

depends on the issue

[humble verge]

did he not have a full on outage

for like almost a week

[hollow river]

if we have outages or random poor performance

its usually fixed fast

i think what he's experiencing is a more fringe case

[hidden bay]

they compensate you hopefully, right? something something

[humble verge]

compensating with 5 dollars off your next payment

[hollow river]

even my last ISP which was trash

outages would rarely last longer than a couple hours

[lyric vale]

i want that shit tbh its good for rookery and top

[keen spruce]

[indigo ginkgo]

hey people ! so in rik we cant use evasion no more to dodge the first stomp circle ?

[lavish wing]

Yea

[indigo ginkgo]

cloack then ? or neither

[spice surge]

neither

[indigo ginkgo]

crap

thanks

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr gets compensation that he was right

And gets affirmation that the people handling his problem before were idiots

[hidden bay]

makes sense

[static glacier]

anyone have data on dawnthread uptime for gally

debating dropping ascension

[humble verge]

use ascension

[balmy condor]

If only they had just run a tracert literally one time

[humble verge]

100% sure dawnthread on any raidboss is just ass

[static glacier]

thats really really really untrue

[humble verge]

but if youre lacking crit

[static glacier]

you ever looked it up?

actually check ur raidteams logs

[humble verge]

atleast when i tried to use it last tier

[static glacier]

for someone that has dawnthread

[humble verge]

it was ass

[static glacier]

sims actually are very conservative with their uptime default

it does depend on boss but generally id say its competitive with ascension

think about how often ur just full hp for minutes at a time

and that dawnthread doesn't immediately drop

there's a grace period

[near valley]

definitely not

[humble verge]

yeah realize, more than last tier, its more viable atleast

[thorn thorn]

When kingsbane buff

[snow hamlet]

removed

[thorn thorn]

Trust

Im from the future

[hardy rapids]

probably next season, I wouldnt doubt it

[thorn thorn]

Spatter will soon be gone and it will only work on KB

The future is looking good

[hardy rapids]

Is there any way to not make assa an envenom class

every build devolves into envenom spam eventually

[thorn thorn]

No unfortunately

Poison bomb and CT continues to be our aoe

[viscid spear]

[thorn thorn]

Dont shoot the messenger I am simply a visitor from the future

[balmy condor]

not with the current design no

[novel star]

play an old expansion on a private server

otherwise no

[humble verge]

wtf is vueko doing here

[thorn thorn]

I have given you a glimps into the future

[humble verge]

[thorn thorn]

[novel star]

I’m sad and need an active channel to lurk in so i don’t kms

[novel star]

fire

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-goes-insane-whose-toes-are-those-monkey-glitch-gif-27073059

[thorn thorn]

Post reaction gifs

Much better

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312900009515290686/1334120108875841566/image0.gif

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/iamrigbycat-rigbycat-tongue-cat-gif-14700191934530342526

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[static glacier]

this sounds like a dogshit future

for our prospects of being viable

[thorn thorn]

In 2 hours there is a 99% chance that someone will arrive here in Ravenholdt and cause problems

[static glacier]

spatter is the best form of aoe a class can have short of being functional for spread aoe (psychic link)

[thorn thorn]

I dont make the rules buddy im just sharing what happens

[static glacier]

do you remember what sin was like before spatter?

[thorn thorn]

Yes

That is actually my preferred version of the spec

[static glacier]

really?

you liked being garbage any time a fight had adds?

relegated to tunneling boss

and not contributing shit

[near valley]

wasn't that spam CT days?

[static glacier]

nah, u didnt spam ct

[near valley]

but lose like all ur st

i swear there was a time when u spammed CT in aoe

[thorn thorn]

It was using CT and using poison bomb

[static glacier]

im talking mainly raid, in m+ u had old ic and ct for aoe

[static glacier]

we didnt get to take ct

I remember raszageth

i2

u just prayed for poison bomb, is was dogshit

[thorn thorn]

Yep

Just as god intended the spec to be

In its purest form

[royal lantern]

yes, i liekd it more when classes and specs had strenght and weaknesses

but WoW players gonna be WoW players and cry everytime something is not #1 everywhere, so every spec in the game now has 2000000 passive cleave and 40deffensives

[fast wren]

I tried to see if someone asked already but I didn't find an answer. I just swapped to the bleed build for m+ with no kingsbane and was wondering when I should be using shiv is it only with DM or on cd

[static glacier]

keep in mind I used an example of aoe that is relatively undertuned as powerful

im talking design wise how it functions

[static glacier]

the arms race went too far

[royal lantern]

well yeha

[static glacier]

if you can't cleave for free in modern wow ur spec is giga trash

in addition we have fuck all target switching capability

if they made IC cheap to get and accessible for us in exchange for caustic I could see it work out kinda

[wind totem]

Vanish the knockback?

[royal lantern]

like, when rogue was "sub pure st god, assa good for 2targets and sustained dmg, outlaw aoe" it was better overall imo

but now if your spec cant do 80% if its ST dmg also in aoe, its garbage

[static glacier]

but we'd also need to be able to take ic + sudden demise without bricking st

for a spatterless future

[static glacier]

doesn't this just force people off their preferred spec vs now where you can play any rogue spec and it won't matter that much

[near valley]

just the nature of the beast innit

just how the game has evolved

[royal lantern]

again, a spec have a niche is not a bad thing

[thorn thorn]

In modern wow niche is bad

[static glacier]

it is when you feel you can't play ur favourite spec just bc a fight has or doesn't have adds

[royal lantern]

"this spec is better on that Fight" is not a horrible thing

its better then "yeha X is tuned higher so you always play it everywhere"

[near valley]

dmg profile is as much of a niche you'll be getting

[inland escarp]

Imagine saying wow players love to cry, and then proceeding to do exactly that

[static glacier]

specs having fights where they are stronger / weaker is a thing now, what's being suggested is returning to sin in vault days

where you litterally ignored all aoe

[hidden bay]

the only thing i hear is little bitches crying

[static glacier]

sub mut for fok and there u go there's ur aoe

[near valley]

i'm just happy if it's fun to play tbh

and currently that's how it stands

[static glacier]

being unnable to contribute meaningfully bc of your spec design isn't fun man

[royal lantern]

i mean, my Personal opinion for a long time now is that spatter/ct need a nerf and rupture/garrote need a buff so its less "lol passive cleave" and more actually dots doing something

[static glacier]

people REALLY don't remember how it felt

being on boss with the unholy dk

while other specs got to aoe

[thorn thorn]

That is my preferred version of the spec yes

[balmy condor]

real and based herp

[static glacier]

in a tier like this we'd be dead on arrival without spatter

[royal lantern]

i mean, assa didnt really change much since BfA in gameplay

keep bleeds up, pump envenom

[thorn thorn]

Spatter is a strong but incredibly lame way to do cleave

Now we envenom the spec

Lame

gg go next xpac

[royal lantern]

ofc i do?

[static glacier]

I have no faith they can give us interesting aoe short of just tacking this overtuned version of ct onto shit and forgetting about it

[near valley]

fair, i didn't even touch sin till like DF season 3

[thorn thorn]

All rogues at this point just have their own version of spatter

All hope is lost

[balmy condor]

CT is way healthier than spatter I ain't gon lie

[static glacier]

also spatter making you want to line up DN envs with aoe is interesting to a degree

[near valley]

ah yes

[static glacier]

same for kb

[near valley]

the good old outlaw spatter

[royal lantern]

spatter would be healthier if the spec was not the Envenom Spec tbh

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[thorn thorn]

Blade flurry yeppers

[vital flicker]

just take internal bleeding instead of spatter for the lols

[static glacier]

the bigger bleed aoe package with ic / scent of blood is just locked behind too much power bc capstones

[royal lantern]

like, in a world where spatter is some nice decent passive cleave cus not all your dmg is envenom, its a 100% fine talent

but alas, Envenomsination

[thorn thorn]

Yeppers

[royal lantern]

but i also understand why it exists

like, every spec NEEDS passive cleave, cus every spec has passive cleave

[inland escarp]

its not even all your damage with the bleed build

[royal lantern]

if you dont have it, its really fucking bad and left behind

[static glacier]

like I do like our non spatter aoe tools more but it's just not feasible to need vanish to use capstone level aoe talents in raid

[static glacier]

that or u become ret and keep getting buffs

[thorn thorn]

Real

[static glacier]

ret got buffed and sub wasn't

think about it

[royal lantern]

ret paladin is using divine storm in ST anyway lol

[balmy condor]

Having an AoE Finisher carry your aoe damage:

• makes sense
• easy priority system when adding targets
• shadow wizard money gang we love casting bleeds

Having caustic spatter carry your aoe damage:

• okay jackson pollock ahh bitch whatever you say
• "just do what you were doing on 1 target, but with 10"
• whispyr has to explain that main target shiv doesn't increase spatter damage for the 700th time
• is just legion poison bomb in a trench coat

[vital flicker]

all the bottom specs got buffed except for sub

[royal lantern]

and all their stuff hits multiple targets by default

[balmy condor]

the choice is obvious

rise above

viva la revolution

[static glacier]

this is the damage to bosses metric

ret has to pick between storm and verdict

sub has flurry and still does less boss damage

[thorn thorn]

Thats what I been saying this whole time

Also legion poison bomb in a trench coat goes insanely hard

[royal lantern]

can we eat the rich? (mage)

[wind totem]

if they remove spatter they better give us back Shadow Dance. 2 min cd for mid pull bleeds respreading is not fun

[royal lantern]

fuck no

dance in class tree was one of the biggst mistakes they did

[static glacier]

i think there's a better way to implement ic

[royal lantern]

so stupid

[near valley]

speak for yourself

[static glacier]

than the current version

[vital flicker]

I'd rather have a lower vanish cd than dance again

[near valley]

i loved dance + sepsis gaming

[wind totem]

Well we need something better than vanish to spread bleeds mid fight

[near valley]

right gang?

[thorn thorn]

Sepsis

[wind totem]

Semantics.

[static glacier]

lowkey old ic was kinda goated

[royal lantern]

"old ic" was very strong because it literally had to hard carry all of assa aoe dmg in m+

[static glacier]

old ic with demise would go crazy in raid

[bronze pike]

splatter is lame

its bladeflurry but uncapped end of day

so gg

[royal lantern]

that makes it good

[static glacier]

to be fair flurry is a lot stronger

[royal lantern]

fuck outlaws

[bronze pike]

yes

[vital flicker]

soft capped

[bronze pike]

its good

but its lame

[bronze pike]

same thing

at this point

[thorn thorn]

So true bestie

[royal lantern]

reduce outlaw bf targets

do it cowards

[static glacier]

outside of the mugzee goon cage situation flurry is just better spatter

tuning wise

[bronze pike]

flurry is capped

hard capped

idk why we have like 3 specs

that are stil hardcapped

[static glacier]

yep, but its a hell lot stronger than spatter

lowkey

take away ct and sin aoe is wack

in keys

[bronze pike]

who cares about tuning power

[royal lantern]

ofc bf is a bigger part of outlaws aoe, its literally all its aoe lol

[bronze pike]

design wise, having passive cleave on your st is just

[static glacier]

everyone, litterally

[bronze pike]

poop

[vital flicker]

outlaw stonks went way up after the bugfixes

[static glacier]

want uncapped spread aoe that gives up no st?

[near valley]

imagine having any options

[bronze pike]

70% of rets kit has aoe cleave passive

[near valley]

[static glacier]

ah yes, shadow priest that blaster aoe m+ class 🙂

[bronze pike]

now they only thing they can buffed for st is blade of justice and final verdict

gg

[static glacier]

tuning is what makes stuff matter

[royal lantern]

i mean, ret paladin is the Prime example of "everything wrong with modern Design choices on specs"

[bronze pike]

i agree

[royal lantern]

passive cleave everywhere, 20000deffensives, free utility overload

no downsides

[bronze pike]

over simplified rotation

[static glacier]

tbh there's bigger offenders

for passive cleave than ret

[near valley]

it's the BM for melee players

[royal lantern]

there are

[thorn thorn]

The downside is having to listen to them talk about how good ret is

[bronze pike]

ret was just the first

[royal lantern]

but ret is the most obvious one

[static glacier]

but ye ret has too few weaknesses

[bronze pike]

cause it got the first rework as well

[static glacier]

if ur weakness is no prio dmg when u aoe or limited aoe if u prio dmg

its just like bruh

[bronze pike]

its weakness is mobility but thats not even a weakness

in modern wow

[static glacier]

ret mobility is not bad nowadays

[bronze pike]

i nots

[royal lantern]

BRO THE RET GAMEPLAY IS SO GOOD I LOVE THE RET GAMEPLAY OMG ITS SO GOOD DID I MENTION HOW GOOD IT IS? GIMME A SECOND I HAVE TO POST IN 3SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS HOW GOOD RET PALYS!!!!

[bronze pike]

but compared to other melee

its like

[static glacier]

they juiced up horse with templar

a bunch

[bronze pike]

the "least"

mobile

[thorn thorn]

Or the dread utility talk

That they somehow use zero of

[near valley]

laughs in dk

[bronze pike]

but again people see dk having a horse and go apeshit

dk has better mobility

deaths advance is big

[static glacier]

im fairly certain warlock, priest and non rider dks are less mobile than ret

[near valley]

if u play riders sure

[bronze pike]

not even riders

[royal lantern]

you mean dk, who can ignore 80% of movment mechanics

[bronze pike]

mobility isnt just speed

[thorn thorn]

Priests least mobile

[bronze pike]

who cares about speed

[thorn thorn]

Warlocks second least

Cuz spicy feet is terrible mobility ability

[near valley]

i attribute it as that tbh

[bronze pike]

mobility is how much movement mechanics you can brush off

[static glacier]

dks ignore like 60% of mechanics that need mobility

warlocks have to cast xd

priest is slow, no dashes

and casts

[near valley]

i call what your talking about immobility

[bronze pike]

ya i have a 6 second horse. but i only need 1 second of that horse to gtfo of bad

[near valley]

[bronze pike]

5 seconds i just look cool

[thorn thorn]

Remove "movement" and it will still be correct

Ams go brrr

[bronze pike]

dk ignoring all razageth

[static glacier]

on the flip side rogue is insane at mobility

[bronze pike]

while im dying pre rework

me and priest

[royal lantern]

its good, but not insane

[bronze pike]

grapple is very nice

[royal lantern]

mage is insane

[bronze pike]

sprint is very nice as outlaw

cause u have 100% uptime of it

mage is giga insane

evoker insane to

[empty quartz]

please. i hate running a marathon as mage

[royal lantern]

he said Rogue mobility

[vital flicker]

grapple > shadowstep

[bronze pike]

when people say rogue mobility they often talk about outlaws

[static glacier]

our sprint is genuinely the gold standard for raw %ms spells (yes there's very few that are better) and step is v good too

[bronze pike]

and ignores sub and sin turtle specs

[static glacier]

outlaw has to be most mobile spec ingame

i can't think of anything that competes

[near valley]

no

well

[royal lantern]

(it should be a choice node)

[bronze pike]

but it doesnt matter

[near valley]

it depends

[bronze pike]

spec arms race in modern wow fucked the game

[rose ore]

I've just made an assassination alt and sprint always impresses me

Pretty nice

[static glacier]

did you know riders charge is better xd

[royal lantern]

rogue mobility

outlaw

bro why bring up a warrior spec all the time

[violet hemlock]

both monk w/ lighter than air and dh seems to compete

[near valley]

remember the good old days of 2 min sprint cd

[vital flicker]

I mean grapple is part of the spec identity, pirates used grappling hooks to assist in boarding ships

[rose ore]

I don't even know what riders charge is

[bronze pike]

everyone is immortal, no one has niches, metas are formed around which specs can cheese the most shit, and does the most damage with little effort, ect ect

[static glacier]

lowkey no idea what that is

[static glacier]

riders of the apocalypse dk sprint spell

[near valley]

double jump off a roll

[near valley]

i guess double dash

[static glacier]

link a clip of it

[royal lantern]

well, the meta is ALWAYS "who is the best at everything"

its just that almost everything is so strong at everything now, that you see the exceptionaly strong things even more

[near valley]

more than jump

[bronze pike]

its silly

remember when rogue was master of control

[static glacier]

45s cd, 2 charges 10s 100% ms with immunity to slows and knockbacks

[near valley]

cba but best i can say is you can do 2 fel rushes after rolling

[rose ore]

Hardest thing for me learning to play melee is the fact you've got to embrace just not hitting the mobs for a while if they're in shit or you're targeted with something

[bronze pike]

basically deaths advance but your fast

woaw

[static glacier]

alright that's pretty good but i still think perma sprint OL with 2x grapple wins

[rose ore]

Shadowstep pretty good at getting straight back into the action

[vital flicker]

I mean Shadowstep would be cool if they didn't do their best to make it terrible at every turn, you get no path available half of the time if you try to do anything cool off a platform, and sometimes it just puts you in the middle of nowhere like on gallywix

[static glacier]

yeah, step is really good imo

ally usage lets you use it as blink]

[royal lantern]

like, unholy DK being gods at huge pulls is not a new thing

but dk being literally immortal with multiple grips (and a semi aoe grip on all specs now) and a group ams and better mobility and execute and endless selfsustain while also having even MORE insane huge pull aoe dmg

is the TWW meta thing

[bronze pike]

yep

[near valley]

remembering step puts you behind the target throws me off a lot

[bronze pike]

the issue is unholy is rng and has cringe spec mechanics

[static glacier]

the amount of free cleave frost dk gets is out of control ngl

[bronze pike]

but wanna know the solution?

you spec swap to frost

and dont deal with non of that sang mechanics

[empty quartz]

ironically UH used to be better at AoE, it's meta now because it's no longer bad on low target count

[bronze pike]

and keep all the perks

[royal lantern]

its funny how broken DK is this expansion

[bronze pike]

key wise anyways

[static glacier]

I swear dk was sleeper op for all of df

[bronze pike]

nah it had clear weaknesses in df

[near valley]

secret?

[vital flicker]

I mean udk only has better mobility if they pick suboptimal hero talents

[bronze pike]

it wasnt immortal like it is now

[bronze pike]

why are we pretending

that deaths advance is bad?

its just slow

but who cares about being slow

if you ignore everything you need mobility for

[static glacier]

muffincookie (dk streamer) is a friend of mine, I watched him stream tank +30 Atal dazar yazma's cast with nothing

that spell absolutely violates

everyone

[bronze pike]

ams

[near valley]

till you take a physical dmg hit

[static glacier]

nah, he facetanked it

and lived

[royal lantern]

it went from "evaporate everything every 3min if you pull 20 enemys and do literally nothing bettwen that" to "kill everything ridicolous fast no matter the target count and are still allright while stuff is on CD now"

[static glacier]

it was ridiculous

[bronze pike]

okay if you cant get out of a physical dam hit thing swirl

with a 40% speed increase

then thats a skill issue

[thorn thorn]

DKs became immortal the moment will of the necropolis was added

It had to be nerfed in pvp because they were literally unkillable with its base value

[near valley]

when ur ripping threat once blood beast proc it do be like that

[bronze pike]

gonna need a vid of that bro

[near valley]

sometimes

[bronze pike]

play with better tanks?

[static glacier]

ill ask him if he has the clip still

[astral current]

literally could do rank 1 boss dmg HC stix if i could get a PI

[bronze pike]

mobility isnt gonna make threat issues less of a issue

if i rip aggro then im still fucked with horse

[astral current]

devastation nerf when

[royal lantern]

@quiet oar having a Frost DK in his raidgroup that ate 6 or 7 mythic ovinax circles at once without dying with passive DR alone

[bronze pike]

and ill fuck my entire group when i run away

[royal lantern]

[thorn thorn]

Soon™️

[bronze pike]

aug is creeping up

soon

it will appear again

[near valley]

idm if it does

[astral current]

bud maining evoker says that aug is still far behind

[near valley]

i just mind if i'm forced to take one

[thorn thorn]

It was there prior to the buffs to people that can play it but dont let the general pop know that

[bronze pike]

i only listen to sauldur

[thorn thorn]

(It isnt)

Not by much anyway

It will be back

[empty quartz]

it's far more viable in m+ than raid logs suggest

[thorn thorn]

Unfortunately

[worthy rose]

i was having a meme cinderbrew 10 dungeon yesterday and the tank wouldnt let me stealth so i just stopped dpsing out of protest

what was funnier was that there was an augvoker on the team

so me protesting doing no dps was actually hugely impacting LOL

unintentional grief

[bronze pike]

[worthy rose]

augvokers are hilarious

[thorn thorn]

Fuckem

[astral current]

well he wont be able to deal 28m dps on opener as aug as he does on dev

[thorn thorn]

Shoulda played dev

[bronze pike]

oh no

ive now decided i wont let any rogue restealth

[worthy rose]

thats racist

[bronze pike]

so yall can learn that its pointless

[thorn thorn]

Of course not cuz flameshaper Dev is extremely front loaded on its opener

[bronze pike]

ill chain pull

[astral current]

but i hope Jesus will come and grant me the PI by nerfing the shit out of dev

[bronze pike]

at 10%

[vital flicker]

but it feels good

[bronze pike]

press vanish

[thorn thorn]

Somebody show the post/clip of whispyr saying restealths dont matter

[bronze pike]

no real tho, as a vdh i have to be giga aggressive

[empty quartz]

i mean maybe if you know you're chaining, you'd save vanish

[bronze pike]

so odds are im not letting anyone restealth just so im not squishy on pulls

[worthy rose]

i refuse to use vanish

[bronze pike]

and explode

[worthy rose]

coz i need it to roach

incase things go wron

i save at least 1 vanish charge to roach out

i make pirateroach look like an amateur

[vital flicker]

I jsut don't want "chain pulls" that consist of 1 mob into the next pack I want like 4 almost dead mobs going in

[thorn thorn]

You will die with the team or mald, cope, and seethe

[astral current]

literally based M+ player

[near valley]

when people chain pull at 5% mob hp it do be an original sin

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-aizen-underestimate-gif-9919022102066635456

ill pull whole packs into new packs

[worthy rose]

as long as you pull it when the original pack is like 50% hp

and manageable

worth popping a vanish and bleed spread again

but otherwise its just diabolical

lots of tanks need to go back and relearn how to do mythics

[thorn thorn]

I also do it on purpose

Cuz im a bastard

[worthy rose]

supervillain origin stories

[near valley]

i can respect that

[worthy rose]

we all grief in our own ways

[empty quartz]

for most specs, it's infuriating not pulling another pack when mobs are 10% hp

just the way she goes

[near valley]

i can also respect using tricks on my healer and chainpulling myself

in protest

[worthy rose]

shit

i need to learn that

thats more effective than just sitting in the corner

[red schooner]

Got dragged into trying some 15s by guildies, this feels like masochism

Never again

I'm going back to my cosy 10-12 vault keys

[thorn thorn]

Think about the score

[red schooner]

No we spent 2 hours on a resi 15 and I got precisely zero score

[haughty flicker]

[empty quartz]

why

[red schooner]

kept failing the key

[empty quartz]

what was the purpose of no leavering that shit

[red schooner]

we didn't, we just reset

if it fucked up

[empty quartz]

oh right

[red schooner]

but it was like 2 hours in total of attempts

or more

[empty quartz]

priory first area is just annoying

worst dungeon for resi yolo pulling

[red schooner]

It was ML for us

[empty quartz]

what caused you issues in ML

[red schooner]

But yeah take me back to my cosy braindead key range

where i can just kinda brain off

[red schooner]

Dunno they were trying some pull mobs into third boss strat that went to shit, also some issues on third boss with add damage

*second boss

[coral ibex]

you don’t need to do anything big brain to time a 15 ML

prob just some skill issues across the board

it happens

[red schooner]

I mean yeah I've not done a 15 before and then got dragged kicking and screaming into that madness

[empty quartz]

oof, were they just cooking or actually trying to time xd

[red schooner]

I've not done above a 12 man I don't like pushing

[empty quartz]

seems overkill for trying to save time on a 15

[red schooner]

Idk, I just got dragged along for the ride

Only the car was on fire

And there were no snacks

[thorn thorn]

[red schooner]

He said he wanted to practice the add thing, idk the logic behind it entirely

[thorn thorn]

This is called abduction and you should notify the authorities

[red schooner]

I just wanted vault slots man

[pseudo dust]

Does anyone know if zoldyck recipe makes sudden demise proc sooner ?

[viscid spear]

Gin was almost able to actually kill Aizen, if not for the absolute asspull Deus Ex Machina that is the Hōgyoku

[pseudo dust]

Nvm i got my answer

Am happy

[balmy condor]

glad to hear you're happy

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor theres a new strat for bandito, no one else has used it apart from us today

[balmy condor]

please no

[vital flicker]

is there any way blizzard could buff sin rogue's ST in M+ without buffing them in raid or buffing their AoE?

[hidden bay]

same coins but u use BL on pull and just nuke boss

[balmy condor]

wait

that's what we were doing

[oak eagle]

💀

[hidden bay]

there were no kill logs yet with that

cuz you need insane dmg

[balmy condor]

big

[hidden bay]

we push after fourth set of adds

[balmy condor]

okay well

we would be pushing after 5th

overachiever

[hidden bay]

💪

i also got sprocket cloak

[balmy condor]

FAST

SPEED

[hidden bay]

i had 658 hero cloak

huge upgrade

dont have to waste crests

ggwp

[grave osprey]

Sin rogue s tier for m+ next season. Calling it now

[thorny rain]

quick question, running my logs in WoW Analyzer and under Envenom usage it says "Bad Usage Dont need to pandemic Rupture". What does that mean?

[thorn thorn]

You refreshed it too early

[thorny rain]

Rupture?

I didnt even use there lol

[humble verge]

if youre top damage on bandit, something is wrong with your raid

[thorn thorn]

If its saying you dont need to pandemic it then my only guess is you refreshed it too early

Post link

[thorny rain]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/cAapr48N2X1qWTYb/33-Heroic+Chrome+King+Gallywix+-+Kill+(7:28)/Axiøm/standard/overview

[humble verge]

wait is that heroic bandit

[thorny rain]

this is heroic gally

[thorn thorn]

Oh I see

[balmy condor]

If it’s got a green check it means your rupture wasn’t in pandemic

[thorn thorn]

Crucial context missing

[humble verge]

nah thinking about herp

[balmy condor]

If it’s got a red check it means your rupture was in pandemic and you could’ve refreshed it instead

[balmy condor]

Mythic

[humble verge]

im digusted

[thorny rain]

hmm so I used rupture too early?

[hidden bay]

just gotta blast the boss

[balmy condor]

It has nothing to do with when you used rupture, that section is tracking when you used envenom

[thorny rain]

yeah

[balmy condor]

It’s just saying you used envenom with rupture in pandemic

[thorny rain]

is that wrong?

[barren zenith]

could anyone help me out with logs for a bit? trying to get better with hybrid as I know it's decently important for +16s and beyond, but I'm struggling to do as well with it when compared to bleed in general. I've noticed I get quite a few envenoms less that other logs I compare to, whilst also having lower avg dmg per cast on bleeds such as CT and garrote and having similar (or less sometimes) number of bleed skill casts, so I can't figure out where I'm fucking up. not sure if it's vanish usage/uptime etc

[thorny rain]

so maybe refresh first?

[balmy condor]

I mean if you can refresh rupture you can refresh rupture

Not really a mistake unless you’re dropping rupture entirely

[thorny rain]

nah my uptime was 99%

[humble verge]

holy difference

[balmy condor]

So then no issue

[thorny rain]

I think I just had some really bad KB usage

[balmy condor]

That’s overall dumbass

Herp posted boss damage

[humble verge]

whats he looking at

ohhhh

alright

ill repost

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s a gally log so 98% chance you just didn’t pad hard enough tbh

[thorny rain]

lol true

[humble verge]

also blasting at the top ig

wait wtf

[balmy condor]

Yeah except his raid is doing nearly 30% more damage

[humble verge]

herp is 500k more dps

???

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

waterfuck

[hidden bay]

[balmy condor]

Did you not read any of what he said

[humble verge]

nah

[thorn thorn]

Get shit on

[balmy condor]

Figures

[humble verge]

i see pic

i post pic

was that the r1 herp

[hidden bay]

na

[humble verge]

o

[hidden bay]

i would prolly need double PI for that

[humble verge]

PI farming

disgusting

[balmy condor]

Sees pic, assumes it’s heroic, then assumes it’s overall, then is confused when he realizes he got shat on

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

whisp

you know im slightly r word

[balmy condor]

not a secret yes

[humble verge]

u wanna know something whisp

[balmy condor]

not really no

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-family-guy-tiktok-funny-clip-tasty-sand-gif-27509497

[humble verge]

ok

[balmy condor]

I already know too much ya know

[humble verge]

then ill leave it at that

[balmy condor]

seen too much

[thorn thorn]

But have you explained why shiv on main doesnt increase spatter damage for the 800th time

[balmy condor]

783

[thorn thorn]

So no

Close tho

17 more

[balmy condor]

getting there

[balmy condor]

I wanna say its improved since I added it to wowhead guide

but I know damn well no ones reading that

[thorn thorn]

Wait theres a wowhead guide for sin

I should read that

[lean plover]

why

[humble verge]

whisp, would you say yes to start raid at 12 pm on a sunday

[lean plover]

ust ask whispyr any question you have

[thorn thorn]

Any question?

Whispyr what are the next winning lottery numbers

[near valley]

i feel saddened that this gives me peace

[coral ibex]

bro is the target audience

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[thorn thorn]

Busted

[humble verge]

my guild wants to gally prog from 12pm and onwards on a sunday

i dont even wake up at 12pm on a sunday

[balmy condor]

Y U C K

[coral ibex]

im playing d&d at that time

[balmy condor]

23 1 83 92 18 36

[humble verge]

atleast ive got an excuse

my grandpas 80yo bday is happening at 2pm, and a lot of people from his family side is showing up

not even sure ill be there for orig raid time guh

[coral ibex]

oh bro my cousin's fish is graduating

cant raid then

sorry

[thorn thorn]

A classic

[worthy rose]

based whispy has spoken

we must get these numbers

[humble verge]

honestly would show up if it wasnt for the bday lol

got nothing going for me on a fucking sunday anyways

[hidden bay]

you just show up what

fuck raiding

[empty vault]

this is gna sound silly (sorry im a noob.. lol) but how do u move ur weakauras around? can u?

[worthy rose]

stack all your weakauras challenge

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

type /wa, select the weakaura you wanna move from the list, and then either click and drag it around on your screen or move it by adjusting the x and y position under display

[empty vault]

thank you! 🙂

[empty vault]

pls dont judge me ;_;

[winged sun]

i didnt even kno weakauras existed at some point

so that cant be worse

[humble verge]

go deplete ur keys dawg

[winged sun]

did

[humble verge]

my man

[winged sun]

tank ate a poop on 2nd boss when we pulled the pack on top and a 19 dfc gone

[humble verge]

next week

[fallow sonnet]

you guys run mindnumbing or crippling for M+?

[spice surge]

Crippling when i need to slow

[humble verge]

started running mind

[worthy rose]

if youve killed mythic boss to unlock the jastor loot table