assassination

[haughty flicker]

im gonna be doing the same with enhance

0 research, know literally nothing about the spec

just one button rotation and pray

goal will be pug heroic and not be last on details lmao

[hidden bay]

That’s hilarious

Sounds like an actual fun challenge

[keen spruce]

[burnt juniper]

yeah if you have a sin rogue in your group you try to do as many aoe pulls as possible

skipping 2 minibosses very good for sin

[worthy rose]

thats the exact idea

LOL

i was thinking of kidnapping my firends to do it

but then it defeats the purpose of the cchallenge

coz its less about the one button rotation at that point and just my friends being able to carry my rat sub ass

[worthy rose]

things get crazy when we get bored amirite

[buoyant herald]

Honestly as long as you don’t die I’m sure you won’t be last

Because other people will die and do DF levels of dps

[fluid rain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[weary spear]

anyone have link for zeross build

its just drop 2 garrote talents and ma for ttk, shiv and dashing right? then supercharger instead of WaT

just making sure im not missing something if im not importing

[verbal stirrup]

.

@weary spear

[worthy rose]

bro needed a repair bad

37% durability

[burnt juniper]

wtf i just found chainbleed and mortiz both on my layer in dornogal

[worthy rose]

if a tank posted that to me

id make it my personal mission to knife toss those 3 every time

[quasi hill]

Hey guys, playing bleed build in 11ish dungeons.

I feel my ST damage could improve (sitting at around 1,2-1,3million). Sim says 1,5 million - is this in margin of error, or should I pump more in ST (ilvl 660 and basically no trinkets so far)

Two more short question:

• do I want actively using thistle tea with bleed build to stay above 50% energy or complete ignore it as hybrid

• do I want haste gear with bleed build ?

[hot blade]

Stay above 50% as much as you can, leave thistle on shiv macro
Haste is very good for bleed, but sim yoself

[normal mist]

Are you simming with all raid buffs in m+?

Stay above 50% in ST in m+

Haste good, but sim yourself

[runic hinge]

The sim is also accounting for you having every cd off the start and also probably getting a dm in execute which you might not always do

[quasi hill]

Nah just bloodlust, that's the only thing you can plan for in pug.

[quasi hill]

Okay, will slap my hands more if I found my self envenom spamming and depleting energy in that way

[runic hinge]

The sanguine optimization isn’t worth a ton of dps

[quasi hill]

Do you guys open with ambush, garrote, rupture and then envenom or envenom right after ambush for s'n'd?

[hot blade]

On aoe:
Ambush, Garrote, Rupture, Rupture, Garrote, Shiv, Crimsom Tempest, Mutiliate, Full combo point envenom, maintain/spread

least thats what i do

[quasi hill]

Okay and where do you dm there

[hot blade]

if i am using it on the aoe pack, straight after full combo envenom

[normal mist]

shiv should be used AFTER ct

[hot blade]

fair

[normal mist]

shiv boosts your CT dmg

You want to make sure all your bleeds are applied before shivving

[spring stream]

shivvey 🤙

[hot flicker]

With zeros build why do we not garrote aoe but garrote st? What’s the reasoning is it just time waste aoe?

[normal mist]

You gotta ask Zeross

[indigo sphinx]

The whole build is built around envenom/spatter damage in AoE, but in ST garrote still has value. You could (and possibly should) still press it in AoE on main target for prio damage, but its all feelcraft. Garrote just isn't really doing much for you for AoE damage with that build.

[balmy condor]

I mean

we've never spread garrote in aoe aside from carnage with imp gar

that's not feelcraft

that's just how it works

no imp gar -> gar sucks

[hot flicker]

If it’s spatter damage based I guess you need a big main target to cleave on

[indigo sphinx]

Ye hence why there is no reason to play this build if you aren't doing keys high enough to have a spatter target that needs to die asap that is also going to live long enough for full value over the rest of the pack.

Except for vibes I guess

[hot flicker]

I know this is a hard question to really give an reply but what are we determining as high level like what would you say is about the right level where this build can really start poping

[indigo sphinx]

Like 17s

[balmy condor]

maybe even higher

[indigo sphinx]

Depends a bit on comp as well

[glossy light]

hi guys, how important are assa restealths in keys like 15+? My tank hates to play around stealths and its getting annoying even for me to ask for stealth literally every 3 pulls. I wonder how other rogues feel about it in high keys.

[fringe spear]

Let's say I'm the only dps (double boost)

[hollow saddle]

restealths does nothing

you just int ur team

[balmy condor]

your tank should not be letting you restealth

[glossy light]

good, thats what i was hoping for, thanks, i felt like my restealths bricks me more keys than helps

thanks

[hot flicker]

Just utilise your vanish

[hollow saddle]

What's most important is having a tank pullin stuff in to bosses.

[glossy light]

so basically i just keep quiet while chaining and keep pressing vanish on CD

[ebon olive]

Is there any reason to use Multilate sometimes in AOE? Like a Buff that i use it one time?

[hollow saddle]

apply casustic?

[glossy light]

splatter

[ebon olive]

ty

[hot flicker]

I mean what other use do you have for vanish other then negating very few mechanics

I’d say to just try to save a vanish charge for your death marks so you can get x2 improved garrotes only thing you need to think of

[rotund oak]

hipster

😂

[hollow saddle]

Yeah lets spend, 2 min extra cause the rogue wants higher overall

[balmy condor]

true

except it's not even higher overall

cause the biggest dps you can get it higher uptime on more adds

which is the whole point of chaining

[shut minnow]

Fliping hell assassination seems so overly complicated to play compared to other classes

[balmy condor]

it's really not

[hollow saddle]

Go bleed build and its not

[primal mural]

During darkest night, is it more important to press that max envenom than maintaining any other dot? That's what the guide says, just making sure

[shut minnow]

Bleed but I thought Hybrid was the best?

[balmy condor]

legit every situation regardless of target count is just

1. bleeds
2. cds
3. envenom

and you just rinse repeat that until you die

or the target dies

[red schooner]

Nah bleed is great

[hollow saddle]

i mean it's all comp depended. bleed build can be nr1. play physcomp and get a tank that pulls adds to bosses that are possible. then you pretty much can press crimsontempest only almost and get all 15 done

[solar wyvern]

Was there ever a verdict on shiv in aoe 8+ targets with forced induction? Neutral, loss, gain? Obviously its a prio gain but just in general was curious

Using hybrid +dashing/ lightweight shiv as my reference

[shut minnow]

Ok so whats the diff in the bleed build to Hybrid? I'm guessing it's the free ambushes and aoe shiv's?

So I'm new lol

[red schooner]

If you check the wowhead guide there's a good writeup on the differences between them

[shut minnow]

Video watching time lol

[old lily]

!sim

!raidbots

[normal mist]

!cantrememberthecommand

[old lily]

is there a specific way to sim the bleed build for m+? or just the normal ST/dungeoncleave sims

[red schooner]

Dungeon slice

[old lily]

i've heard that dungeon slice is a bad way to sim and since haste is better on ST than vers

[winged sun]

Dslice is abit weird

But u could sim dslice

[red schooner]

Varies class to class, some classes/TCS like 5 man patchwerk, we like dslice

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice isn't perfect, but its the most based thing we got

everything else is just kinda stupid

[old lily]

alright thank you 🙂 i'll try to do that, a friend of mine told me to just use the ST one but i guess that was only related to his own class sims then

[balmy condor]

like simming sustained aoe is dumb as shit cause it doesn't factor in dying targets and new mobs spawning, doesn't give restealths, etc

absolutely pointless to sim sustained aoe

and then otherwise it's like

dungeonroute I guess

which has its own issues and is way too niche

some people sim hectic add cleave, which just doesn't make any sense

it's 1 boss and then add waves on top

like ovi'nax or stix or something

so that doesn't work either

[winged sun]

Whispyr i talked to zac abit regarding dungeon routes, he kinda told me it has some issues with certain pulls like 1st boss priory having billions of hp

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean dungeonroute is very early days

it has a lot of issues

[winged sun]

And he kinda told me it was fine if ur gonna sim certain things that dont have such issues

[balmy condor]

and the concept itself is fine, but there's problems with how it tries to do things

[winged sun]

Like dungeons that are straightforward

[balmy condor]

like there's no variance involved in any of the pulls

so it's very easy to fuck cds

like if pull 12 happens at 27:15, it'll ALWAYS happen at EXACTLY 27:15

very easy to fall into weird sim results because of it

[winged sun]

Oh i see

Yeah he kinda told be some of that too, it might have some bright light for the future once it gets optimized for sure

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's part of why I'm rewriting APL tbh

like your aoe sim things can be fixed with a rewrite

[snow quest]

or maybe dslice could be improved instead

[balmy condor]

but I honestly couldn't give a shit about patchwerk aoe

[winged sun]

Possibly, i dont think dslice could have as big of potential though

Dslice does not look good at all but maybe im wrong, we dont have anything better though anyway

[balmy condor]

the thing about "improving dslice" is that you'd need to get everyone to agree over it cause it's a defacto-default fight style

and that's hard

everyone's APL would need to support whatever changes you make

[snow quest]

Yeah it’ll be almost impossible

[balmy condor]

it would still need to be computationally light

like it just sucks

that's kinda the problem droute is running into as well

cause how do you sim a 40 min dungeon but also have variance

can't have the entire world running 6 hour sims

just not viable

[fringe spear]

Personally I feel like dslice tends to lean too aoe heavy and dungeonroute ends up going too far the other way

[balmy condor]

GOOD MEME

high m+ rogues have been bitching about dslice being not enough aoe

I'm gonna fucking kms

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

no one can agree on this shit

[fringe spear]

yea but im right

[winged sun]

Best part is that when its just not good to sim so it ends up not having support at all then you’ll get those 10 target sims that they’ll follow even without looking at the gcd sequence if anything is fucked

[fringe spear]

dungeon sims are just unlucky atm

[winged sun]

Ngl i see 10 targets as a good indicator on certain things

[fringe spear]

For everyone I mean

[winged sun]

But like

U cant look at it as a way of, yea i should play this build

Because it sims better at 10 targets

[balmy condor]

idk I don't see the point of any sustained aoe patchwerk sim except if it's like 5 target and you're hitting a dummy or something

but like 10 target 5 min

good joke

what the fuck are you getting from that

[fringe spear]

But whispyr what about council boss in df s1

[balmy condor]

half your damage is CT and caustic, sustain energy to make sure you can caustic, press cds on cd

holy pog

big information

[winged sun]

True

[balmy condor]

like idk

the more targets you get

the stupider it gets

[winged sun]

i can see that its bad info

But like

In m+ people want to know whats better at high target pulls

[fringe spear]

Real Chads just send whatever feels right

[fresh kelp]

it's a consistent thing. dungeonroute sims have no mechanical info about how dungeons work, they are just 5x mobs with x amount of hp based on key level, repeat repeat. so if you have a boss like 1st boss priory (who based on route has all his captains and 8 billion hp) it's gonna brick. similar thing would happen if you tried to sim dawnbreaker last season, would think you needed to kill rashanan to 0 from 100.

[winged sun]

But ngl if u wanna know that specifically u can test it urself

[fringe spear]

Well you can adjust the hp of specific mobs at least

For rashanan case

[winged sun]

From my experience i only had hybrid do more at higher target pulls than bleed as of peak dps, but we already know that from sims

[fresh kelp]

sure, but there are additional issues beyond that

damage amps are not modeled as far as I know (rookery)

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean as ugly as it sounds (and again, this is why the rewrite cause I genuinely want to help you answer those questions), sims just don't exist for this

at least not at the accuracy you would need to actually get a good answer

[fringe spear]

Technically you could use raid events to make it even more accurate but holy god of Jesus that's awful to set up

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's what I was about to say

what you're looking for zeross

[winged sun]

Lots of different situations at different pulls and different sim durations that may have different set of cooldowns and 10000 other things

[balmy condor]

is simming a SPECIFIC slice of a dungeon

which can be set up

[winged sun]

Yea

[balmy condor]

but the sim needs to be very strong to handle that well

it's like the same problem of "why don't we just sim raid bosses instead of patchwerk"

like oh just sim rik reverb instead of 1t

you totally can set up a fight that is identical to reverb, rng how many barrels are in melee, add in the intermission

but there is no APL on any spec

that is even remotely strong enough to handle that accurately

[winged sun]

True

[balmy condor]

and then you give it something like stix

where CD timing is actually all over the place

and good fucking luck

[fringe spear]

it would cause apl bloat to try to account for literally everything

[winged sun]

is it possible to mess with chatgbt on writing the apl but maybe its early for that right now

[balmy condor]

I almost banned a dipshit for using gpt to write APL

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

it technically maybe kinda works for some very specific things but it's completely unreadable and unmaintainable

[fringe spear]

Just trying to get double on use with variable cd timing is a pita for just dslice + patchwork 1t

[balmy condor]

@spice surge knows cause it literally took us weeks to untangle a Chatgpt spaghetti APL

[fringe spear]

Imagine factoring in damage amps and downtimes

[balmy condor]

it's literally like 5x more work to have chatgpt write the APL and then have people untangle it than it would be to just write it by hand

[static glacier]

In raid build wouldn’t we have minimal apl stress? It’s not like we change much more than fok and rupture sniping?

[winged sun]

I can see that yeah

[static glacier]

Using rik as the example

[fringe spear]

Has any chatgpt apl resulted in any sort of dps gain anyway?

[west smelt]

If you need different apls for different circumstances it sounds like a meta programming solution like macros which generate an apl for different fights would be sick

[fringe spear]

Its always so bad tweaking feral apl

[balmy condor]

yeah surely, right? Having it hold cooldowns and trinkets for the intermission optimally is already a struggle enough lmao

[fringe spear]

You're actually better off hard coding timers for specific right fights

With whatever you have

[winged sun]

If anything, i agree with the raid builds being the best

Dont think its good to cook too hard

[balmy condor]

I mean technically it has, but it resulted in a bigger gain once a human actually fixed the line and it would've been infinitely less headache had the person actually just said "what if we did X" and TC's investigated

like a normal human

instead of just feeding us some AI slop

[fringe spear]

the good old time>x&time<y

[balmy condor]

and going "look, raidbots green number"

like the whole process was he had a good idea and instead of sharing the good idea, he ran to chatgpt to write the line for him

which is just a pure downgrade

[fringe spear]

yea... surely that's not asking too much...

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm telling you I had the fucking ban message typed out

I was fucking fuming so hard

[fringe spear]

You should've done it

[balmy condor]

but I went on a walk to calm down

[fringe spear]

Sanity buff

[balmy condor]

and decided to be the bigger person

he hasn't shown up since luckily

I'm not strong enough a second time

[fringe spear]

just a matter of time

[winged sun]

I know that chatgbt requires tunings for coding that aren’t related to simming/apl, but that requires you to take some chatgbt courses and make up your own bot that can do certain things but the issue is i dont know how someone could implement raidbots into chatgbt and let it run simulations endlessly

[fringe spear]

someone will do it again

[winged sun]

Could be possible in theory

But

[west smelt]

He's now got a local deepseek setup grinding out different builds. He's going to return even more powerful and hand you an apl that resembles minified JS for a 10% gain

[winged sun]

Its definitely hard to setup

[fringe spear]

They'd have to use simc directly cuz raidbots will rate limit u and ban ur account if u automate too much

[winged sun]

Basically the normal chatgbt would not be capable to do everything

[west smelt]

I mean it's easy enough to run locally with the docker image

[winged sun]

Because it requires knowledge on certain areas

Its abit weird

[fresh kelp]

stupid question, but couldn't you use chatgpt to write a spagheti APL as proof of concept, then update the APL by hand? rather than the idea just being posed to you originally and then trying it by hand in the apl

[fringe spear]

Yea it's not too bad, just a matter of computational costs at that point

[fresh kelp]

in response to the other dude

[balmy condor]

people have been trying to make self-coding APL's for literally a decade at this point, there's always a dumbass or two every year that says they're going to be the one to do it, and then they put in like 30 hours of work and realize it's stupid, way too much effort, impossible to maintain, and no one is interested in actually using the tool

so then they give up until the next dumb schmuck tries

it's literally clockwork at this point

[fringe spear]

There is always the hurdle of, the apl needs to be human replicable too

[winged sun]

I can see that yea

[balmy condor]

as regular as the change of seasons

[balmy condor]

what is the point of this

like genuinely what is the end goal of this

[fringe spear]

Like sure maybe chatsimc can cook up 0.5% dps, but if u can't read what it is doing

Then what is even the point

[balmy condor]

you would get a half-baked APL from chatgpt that is missing 30% of the logic

[fresh kelp]

have an idea for dps gain -> write krangled chatgpt apl to test it -> seems good, pose to TCs

[balmy condor]

you have to spend 3x the time untangling it

[fresh kelp]

if you couldnt write apl on your own

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's a quick way to get TCs to fucking hate you

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

legit if you have an idea for a dps gain, just fucking say it

use your words

like a big boy

this isn't rocket science

[west smelt]

Are you saying you don't hand the TCs the apl, just the prompt/idea?

[fringe spear]

Or learn simc ig it's not too bad to pick up

[fresh kelp]

essentially ya as a filter

[west smelt]

Because I think that's just what whispyr was saying

[fringe spear]

The hard part is the endless trial and error

[balmy condor]

the issue is a chatgpt filter

is literally just more effort

you're making my job harder

[winged sun]

Real

[balmy condor]

and I hate you eternally for being a dumbfuck who thought it would help

[winged sun]

You need to maintain 2 different things

For 1 result

[balmy condor]

that's the pipeline

[winged sun]

Its like writing the apl for the bot to write the apl

For a sim result

[balmy condor]

you have idea -> you say idea -> I go test -> everyone happy

or the alternative

you have idea -> you krangle it with chatgpt -> "erm whispyr idk look at this" -> I get a migraine -> it takes way more time -> I hate you -> you're lucky I don't ban you on the spot

that's the two options

[daring hawk]

oh the good old, "start with gpt and finish the code yourself" topic. Love it. Lots of that happening at work atm

[red schooner]

So we trust the raidbots robot but not chatgpt

[fringe spear]

Yea but how much dps difference is it if you do xyz versus yxz, in the event that you screwed up a to get into that position to begin with?

[red schooner]

Robot discrimination

[west smelt]

Deterministic Vs non deterministic

Llms make shit up

[fringe spear]

do not trust BigSim

They are feeding u lies and deception

[balmy condor]

all of this boils down to just:

bringing chatgpt into sims at any stage of theorycrafting is simply making more work for theorycrafters who are already doing this as a hobby for free. Don't make an already unvalued job more difficult just because you decided to be a smartass with google and you don't understand how anything works. Thanks

[fringe spear]

Honestly if someone just sent me a chatgpt apl with a dps gain on it I'm not deciphering that apl

[red schooner]

So do I when I use inspect element on raidbots results to spread confusion and misinformation

[fringe spear]

They will simply be ignored

Oops forgot to reply

[west smelt]

I honestly don't get the people who say they work faster with constant prompting. I think about how I want to solve a problem, start typing it out, and usually half way through I see a problem with my initial understanding and adjust. If I prompt for an output the time it takes for me to recognise the mistake or the better way to represent the problem is way longer.

[daring hawk]

i sometimes use claude for brainstorming, just throwing ideas at it basically, or for cleaning up my messed up code from time to time, but actual "generation" usually just leads to very halfbaked results. Really depends on the topic though.

[tall atlas]

idk simcraft and wow sim apis is like an art to me, AIs dont really do art with any hearts

so leave it to people with souls

[royal lantern]

reminder that chatgpt and all other "ai" shit is just sending you text with the goal of giving you ANY naswer at all, not a correct answer

its no "ai", its a shity algorithm with a techbro buzzword behind it to sell it better when it barely functiona

[radiant raven]

LLM's suck

[royal lantern]

the "ai" we have cant do math

you know

MATH

the thing computers where invented for

[worldly sail]

wtf i cant do math either... AI is literally just like me fr fr

[royal lantern]

cus its literally just a LLM chatbot that puts words togheter

[scarlet orbit]

We have someone in our guild who teaches Math to finance the time while studying. The pain he gets when some kid brings him some chat gpt answers to his homework where just EVERYTHING is wrong is always so funny.

[vivid mulch]

anyone know why i cant move my target ?

[strange comet]

guyz one question totally out of topic but just for curiosuty , somehow i cant see party members names that way at the dungeon. Any idea how i can make it in the keys that way also?

[normal mist]

try Ctrl-V - V

[royal lantern]

its a LLM that wanta to give you ANY answer

not a correct answer

there is no inteligence behind it

its a shity search algorithm and nothing more

if you ask it a question, it answers with words but doesnt know what the words actually mean, just that this combination of words will be OK as an answer

[scarlet orbit]

Yea i know. In my work i needed to update some Code some Guy wrote obv with some LLM and didnt bother to format or put coments on it.... The hate i had while working hours to fix some slop to just decided fuck it i write it completly new from scratch was enough to get me fired if he would be still there

[radiant raven]

Public facing LLM's are such a plague

[subtle tundra]

the lack of education around LLMs is

[nova kelp]

Sprocket down, I can now obtain my Mythic Aneurysm from OAB

[red schooner]

I pray we down him next week but like, our best pull is 40-something percent

[nova kelp]

I believe

[primal mural]

I believe blizzard doesn't allow us to change friendly nameplates in instances

[nova kelp]

yeah we used to be able to do this, it seems to giga fight us on this now

[quartz snow]

hello fellas 🙂

How do we sim ourself in Raidbots for M+ ?

Dungeon slice ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[red schooner]

Dslice, yup

[quartz snow]

thanks !

[nova kelp]

YARR! D SLICE!

[quartz snow]

hmm it's weird how new ring Crit/mastery would sim less than my Haste/Mastery ring ...

any idea ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rRHN7QWPNAW7zUf86EdPqM

[red schooner]

Secondaries are a lie, just trust the robot

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[humble verge]

vibecoders

[quartz snow]

thanks a lot for those clarification , went back after 1 year break and started back on rogue,

How mcuh dps is considired very good on raidboots for Dslice ?

4m ?

[nova kelp]

I think fairly few would touch 4m on a dslice

[quartz snow]

so 3.75 already good i'd say ?

[normal mist]

It doesnt really matter what you sim in dslice

you use it to compare items

[quartz snow]

true true

[normal mist]

you can sim 4M on Dslice and then do 2M overall in keys

[quartz snow]

even more true xD

[dawn heath]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-club-penguin-club-penguin-dance-skill-issue-gif-24610458

[nova kelp]

I LOVE SKILLSHOES

[radiant raven]

[opaque crypt]

hi im new to assassin rogue just got a question regarding m+ talent build
mosat high rio player are going builds that is diif than the guids say

can some1 explain the diff ?

[balmy condor]

they're going for much higher single target

not necessary for 99.9% of the playerbase

they give up some aoe, it's harder to play, requires having mobs that live a long time

just can't recommend it unless you're doing like 17/18's

[clever sparrow]

rogue is soo beautiful if you play it outlaw

but assassin

daggers

are UGLY

DAGGERS ARE UGLY!

and i dont even know what to do with them

even ghostblades arent that good

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[winged quail]

Cata legendary daggers are bis transmog

[clever sparrow]

on which set?

its not match with any sets tho

i miss Echoing Reprimand

[timber meadow]

I assume everyone here thinks the one button rotation is a good thing for the game?

[spare kayak]

dont assume such things, but also, why do you care? (and why do you think it's bad for the game?)

[echo crystal]

How much extra damage does assa do in the execution window?

[hot flicker]

30% I believe

Just look at the talent

[west smelt]

I had a misonception that top was a sub key rather than a sin key, but I just utterly gapped myself. Even doing way more boss damage through funnel which would be the entire point of playing sub

[spice surge]

Dont think anything is a sub key until it gets buffed

(and then it didnt get buffs so its gg)

Swapping after 2nd boss rookery for last boss is like the only scenario

[indigo sphinx]

Does anyone have a macro for distract to say something after the spell has been cast? So pugs know that the mob isn't going to move.

[hot flicker]

Do /p I will distract

[hollow saddle]

It's actually so freaking tilting, I lose to tank on every boss. honesly, like double rupture and garrot dmg if its only on 1 mob or something

[hot flicker]

Your probably doing something wrong sure in most cases you’ll be lowest dps but behind tank is sus

Keep bleeds up and stay above 50% energy

[hollow saddle]

I dno there is nothing to fuck up, keep bleeds up and envenom if u can

[hot flicker]

Also try to have DM for bosses or it deffo looks sus

[hollow saddle]

just did a rookery,

15

[hot flicker]

This is the play for rookery

[hollow saddle]

like its a joooooke

and on top of doing no ST, it feels awful to press the buttons too x)

[spice surge]

You can give up aoe damage for ST if you want

[winged sun]

💀 @midnight mist outlaw dps spotted

[hot flicker]

I mean you still topped meter in overall

[hollow saddle]

Kinda wanna try outlaw lol, just cooked with mastery

[winged sun]

nah

play this

does double boss dmg

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZB2mBAAAAAg2WGzgZGjZmZZ2mZmBzYGDmZmNLzMDw2MLjNGzYWaMbLDT2GGWA

[winged sun]

of ur dps

[hollow saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/trying-try-im-trying-ball-catch-gif-5139192

[winged sun]

good luck learning it tho it is very hard to play

and presses no garrote in aoe

as there are no garrote talents

[hot flicker]

How does it work?

Just spatter?

[hollow saddle]

Guess you want to be effcient with splattering. like the bleed build, you do few gcd, and u can afk

[winged sun]

no subterfuge, no garrotes in aoe

[hot flicker]

What makes it difficult?

[indigo sphinx]

You can't afk after pressing CT like chad bleed build

[winged sun]

yeah you need to be on constant gcd

never miss any gcds

if you do its a really big loss in aoe

its like outlaw but 1 sec gcd

[hollow saddle]

I guess u can do big dps loss by not being at ur target, which is why i love bleed build, u can dodge swirleys without losing dps

[winged sun]

and full energy 24/7 in aoe

[indigo sphinx]

Its not that FI is harder, it is that bleed is so easy

[winged sun]

dodging swirlies downtime is usually fake

[indigo sphinx]

You are more than likely closer to playing optimally with bleed than you are with FI for the majority of players

[winged sun]

better movement can always give you 100% uptime in such situations

yea ofcourse

[hot flicker]

So basically it’s just rupture CT and spatter?

[hollow saddle]

Yeah but im an old man now. unluck

[winged sun]

ok i dont know how far you guys are into the game, but that build is not for new players at all

you need to be very good and have decent understanding of the spec imo

[indigo sphinx]

Its not even that, its just there is no advantage to playing it until you are doing hard enough keys to where you aren't asking about it 😄

[winged sun]

otherwise its just gonna feel like way worse

[hollow saddle]

i started playing pve last season. So will probably hit a wall soon enough. where i can try ur build. unless i cheese with physcomp = )

[winged sun]

possibly

well there is an advantage of playing it in 14-17 keys

[hot flicker]

Won’t get any better if you don’t try the harder things

[winged sun]

lower than that you wont struggle on bosses so why not bled build

[indigo sphinx]

You won't sturggle on bosses in that range either, other insanity is bricking your keys than what talents you're running 😂

[winged sun]

i mean

u wont brick a key because of my talents

[west smelt]

Maybe I'm just not in high enough keys or something but bleed feels fairly strong in bosses

[winged sun]

ur only gonna brick a key if u deplete it by people dying

[west smelt]

If you have a 2nd target ever

[winged sun]

u cant really deplete 14-17 keys

unless ur route is very bad or u guys wiped or something

[indigo sphinx]

Ye thats what I mean, so it doesn't really matter if you are playing better or worse talents

But playing the easier talents is probably going to reduce you being the cause of the silly deaths, whilst you probably do more dps anyways

[winged sun]

maybe

i am trying to think about the build, i really dont think its good value for most players idk how people would manage to play a outlaw based build that just stays on gcd forever

[tawdry root]

Anyone here use the luxthos pack and have clear the witnesses set to only show the proc when you're in lingering darkness?

[winged sun]

like it feels fast paced in aoe

and every gcd is really important

[humble verge]

wtf, i realized im rich

[vivid mulch]

Hunter is watching football game in my key

Dies to last boss brew xd

[fossil falcon]

Guys, wich dungeon you think its better to go Hybryd over Bleed? Boss based dun like Prio or The Rookery?

[vivid mulch]

I heard motherlode and TOP, but its really only for higher keys, you can still go bleed and be fine

I got told :)

Or maybe it was Workshop over motherlode

[fossil falcon]

Mmmmh ok, so i ll bother only if i get to 17+ XD

[subtle tundra]

watching RM? tell him he is a loser

[viscid spear]

⚽ 🏈 ?

[timber meadow]

done assume such things. i think it's really good for the game

[vivid mulch]

Yes

But you can play hybrid if you wanna

[vivid mulch]

Well i assume football as in not american football

[timber meadow]

does atrophic stack in raid?

[viscid spear]

[vivid mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053037639852380170/1260166045612642324/er.gif

[red schooner]

Nah he's watching live performances of the band, American Football

[dapper cradle]

Never meant

[royal lantern]

just watched a guildmate pug gally on an alt for jesters

it drops

he rolls 100

2 other people roll 100 aswell

he loses

[quartz snow]

hello everyone , just started 48h ago rogue ,

https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pZNrb37kaDzHQ4Ty

Can someone help to on how to improve ? I know i could do better but seems im doing something wrong

[karmic birch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[viscid spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif

[vivid mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1278044097596096632/4x.gif

[humble verge]

bruh

ive been asked to do gally prog next sunday

[coral pivot]

My guild is currently progressing Mugzee mythic and I remembered assa rogue being able to leave the cages, but wasn't sure how. I realised it was on the flying adds, but are there any other ways to escape the cages or do you have to be knocked out?

[humble verge]

starting from 12pm 💀

but ive got my grandpas bday that day and i even told them

[spice surge]

Getting gripped, rescued or void elf

[coral pivot]

Aight, tyvm. Was just making sure I didn't miss something

[sweet plover]

Hi guys question, you only Shiv your kingsbane in ST right? in AOE you are better of just thistle teeing the moment you'd shiv, correct?

[royal lantern]

then say no??

[humble verge]

yeah, im gonna tell em i might jump in after probably

we do raid on sunday but at 1930

[shy creek]

Depends on the build, but you do use shiv in single target as well

Aoe*

[weary spear]

In kingsbane m+ build shiv will just kill your kingsbane target quicker. Doesn’t do AOE, but killing prio mobs are usually important

[sweet plover]

I play hybrid 2x vanish

[vivid mulch]

Yall going bleed or hybrid in workshop

[weary spear]

I like bleed whenever uptime is difficult

First pull, kujo and machinist it feels nice

[worthy fable]

Hey! Is it just me or have they removed the ability to evasion the amp drop on rik?

[spice surge]

Yep they did

[worthy fable]

Okay thought i was tripping, thanks

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor does atrophic stack still?

[static glacier]

on a scale of one to cutey are you cutey? (whats ur fave rogue spec?)

[spice surge]

Sub

Which is why this weeks tuning made me sad

[static glacier]

ye sub coulda used love

[spice surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1368050384333180938/image.png?ex=6818c9f4&is=68177874&hm=f164499b79c8a56e7f578075a20a7c45ed22617badd796a8e86c4954ed00ab32&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1042&height=536

All the specs with a plus next to them got buffs

[static glacier]

probably outside of dance

[spice surge]

[static glacier]

im fairly sure they could 300% backstab and itd be fine

[lean plover]

Gloomblade ds meta then, god no

[royal lantern]

why wold you want a backstab buff

[static glacier]

nah, ur forgetting how much trickster buffs gen dmg

[static glacier]

buffing sub dmg in cds is a very slippery slope

[spice surge]

I mean just aura buff

[static glacier]

its just one of the first things that came to mind to cd independent spells

sub dmg out of cds being healer levels also doesnt feel good

[spice surge]

Id prefer burst but

Right now sub is just a bad version of monks, monks burst roughly the same but do way more outside

[static glacier]

ye true

[royal lantern]

just give sub a 3% aura buff and look how it works out

if its not enough, slap another 2% on it

[static glacier]

so long as the buff isnt making burst omega crazy should be fine, small aura would be good

[spice surge]

Idk, i just find it really strange since they almost always buff whatever is low on the wcl charts (which i assume line up with their internal data fairly well). Like i pictured above

But for some reason they just didnt touch sub

[static glacier]

i think they didnt get over sub seeming decent first weeks

[spice surge]

Idk maybe they thought the bugfixes (that they posted but forgot to apply to sub btw) would be sufficient?

[static glacier]

before people got trinks

[red schooner]

Wait what? Fuck sake blizz

[spice surge]

But even if they applied those thats like a 1% buff to aoe only

[viscid spear]

Blizzard thinks "Sub" is short for "Subpar", not Subtlety.

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats also a bold take when sub is very often the "best" rogue spec for high level prog

[west smelt]

Transmitter fucked us so hard in so many ways

[royal lantern]

it justr got left behind

[spice surge]

Ye and then they buff assa

[royal lantern]

and rogue is a low attention class

so getting left behind kinda sucks harder

[spice surge]

Like the last 4 tiers

(not amirdrassil)

[royal lantern]

was about to say

and wasnt abeerus kinda both specs aswell with a favor towards sub

[spice surge]

So like you end up with people in the top 50 only playing sub on prog, and everyone else only playing assa

[spice surge]

Ye because assa was buffed by a lot

So people swapped

[drifting cloud]

wasnt it by less than this time

unless it was more than 1 buff, I remember 1 right before we started sark

[spice surge]

Think it was 5%

But i could be wrong

[keen spruce]

[spice surge]

But then again, its on brand for BFA nostalgia to have corruptions and having sub be really bad

Maybe next season we get a tier that actually works and doesnt fizzle on sectech 2/3s of the time

[gray sleet]

I was looking at logs and in ST people is not using the FoK proc

[spice surge]

Theyre probably playing vicious venoms

[gray sleet]

So we don't use the proc with vicious venoms?

I just found that out

on 1 target only?

[nova kelp]

I think you CAN?

but like

it's not a GAIN

[shy creek]

Its not optimal to use FoK in pure single target with VV

Even with CTW proc

[flint star]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[royal lantern]

eh, its neutral iirc

[golden loom]

Its neutral in lingering

[shy creek]

Only neutral if you cast FoK during LD

oop

What he said

[static glacier]

highkey

did ret need a 6% st buff

[shy creek]

their raid spec says so

m+ was prob ok as it is

[spice surge]

M+ didnt get much buffs so its fine

Aug getting another 5% means theyll probably do more than sub now

[red schooner]

If that happens then

Hopefully blizz would rectify that asap

[royal lantern]

so what you wanna say is

aug will get more buffs cus its underperforming still

[spice surge]

Unironically thats probably whats gonna happen

[static glacier]

im fairly sure ret has better st than rogue

[spice surge]

Not sure theyll do any more tuning after this though

[royal lantern]

its kinda funny how ret players told everyone that ret is THE WORST ST SPEC IN THE GAME

when like

[spice surge]

Ye on lockenstock theyre doing more

[royal lantern]

...not really?

[spice surge]

But rogue has good pad/cleave

[red schooner]

I mean if a pure DPS spec is lower than the support spec they'd have to fix that, right? RIGHT?

[royal lantern]

mate they let aug do more dmg then devestation for ages lol

[shy creek]

Ret players say literally anything to get more attention to their class

[red schooner]

shit

[spice surge]

Like assa wasnt going to get buffed, and if ST were to get buffed they would almost surely nerf spatter to compensate

Which they probably should do anyway, but hey

[red schooner]

Nerf spatter buff bleeds

[spice surge]

Now all 3 rogue specs end up with the same issues outlaw has had for ages

[red schooner]

Do it

[spice surge]

Ye, idk im not that much of a fan of current raid assa where you literally cant do anything besides sitting and hitting the boss

[red schooner]

Same, feels shit when the current wall on a boss is add damage and it's like, oh okay then

[royal lantern]

all 3 rogue specs?

you mean literally every spec in the game lol

passive cleave is everywhere

dedicated aoe? whats that

just hit target and do 20000000 aoe dmg at the same time

literally everything in the past couple years was pushing all specs in the same direction

extremely strong passive cleave

strong passive deffensives and more active deffensives

CDr and more Burst focus

[runic basin]

hey guys; I always thought that the "Clear the Witnesses" proc was used with Fan of Knives, but when I read the guide, it says that once you have full points in Vicious Venoms, you don't do that anymore — is that correct, or am I misunderstanding it?
Right now, I understand it as: we only use CtW with FoK if we have more than one target?

[keen spruce]

God forbid you have to actually target other mobs to do multi target damage

[royal lantern]

yes, if you play VV you dont uuse the proc anymore on pure ST

VV buffs mutilate, so you wanna use mutilate

[runic basin]

okay nice thank you - and in fights like bandit if i can hit 2 targets i use it?

[golden loom]

yeah

[sonic pagoda]

where is the zeroes st aor mix for things like Top key

[limber lion]

damn

tiktok brainrot doing work

[cerulean walrus]

You can also CtW ST during Lingering Darkness but it really doesn’t matter

[gray sleet]

What's the playstyle with the KB + Supercharged build for M+?

[cerulean walrus]

Can be nice if you’re at 6cp trying to send DN but that just a feels thing

We love feelycrafting

[vapid bolt]

Hey peeps, playing around plater a bit.
Is there a possibility to only enable the color change mod that whispyr uses in his plater profile for sin?

[limber lion]

Yes

Depends what it is that you want

The mythic+ colors? Just copypaste the import code from the Plater Color options

[vapid bolt]

well, i just want to colors to not change when playing sub or outlaw

[limber lion]

The Spatter script? Just copy that

[vapid bolt]

as i won't be caustic splattering anyone there

[limber lion]

Soooooooooo

Why would you need to turn it off if it's not gonna activate anyways?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vapid bolt]

they do for some reason, atleast I believe so

[limber lion]

It shouldn't

[vapid bolt]

nameplates look normal out of combat and change colors as soon as I enter combat

[limber lion]

That's not Spatter

[shy creek]

Sounds odd, could you screenshot an example of both things happening

[vapid bolt]

i think it's shading

after a second look

[limber lion]

That's just mythic+ coloring and you focusing a target

It makes others dimmer, while making the target you're targeting more bright

[vapid bolt]

hmmm

[limber lion]

The text color itself changes, maybe that's a thing of the mob being in combat or something

[vapid bolt]

yea

[limber lion]

But I don't think that's a Whispyr thing

[vapid bolt]

maybe that's whats throwing me off

i will look more into it, but you're right that has nothing to do with splatter

tyvm

[limber lion]

This is what the example looks like for Whispyr's plater in his page

So it's probably just a default Plater setting somewhere

Or then it's that stupid bigwigs addon doing stuff

Because bigwigs is the one that adds the small thingies on the left

[vapid bolt]

WHAT

how does bigwigs have anything to do with that

how am i supposed to know this grrrrr

thank you

[shy creek]

Generally by building out your own UI step by step, you pick up what comes from where

Otherwise it is pretty hard to know

If I ever don't know, I just disable addons until I figure out whree its coming from

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's really stupid

[limber lion]

Well, to be fair, Bigwigs added that feature recently in this expansion

It hasn't been there the past 10 years

[vapid bolt]

it's so rough to aclimate to another plater i must say

[limber lion]

Just all of a sudden they decide to play around with nameplates

even though the addon has nothing to do with nameplates lol

[shy creek]

Yeah its a bit odd

[vapid bolt]

aight, time to dig deeper

thank you guys

[limber lion]

Glgl

[gray sleet]

How do you play with this build? I do so little damage.

[spice surge]

Keep bleeds up, use envenom

[shy creek]

Take a screenshot fo your damage breakdown

[spice surge]

Same as other builds really

Just dont garrote unless its on ST

[gray sleet]

That's all no garrote?

It's a dummy tho

[limber lion]

What content are you playing that build on?

(Don't say Mythic+)

[gray sleet]

M+

14s

[limber lion]

Rip

[keen spruce]

don't play that build in 14s

[gray sleet]

It's the MDI build

[limber lion]

Are you an MDI player?

[shy creek]

LOOOOL

He beat me to it

[gray sleet]

Former

But i want to learn how to do it

I don't want a "Don't do it"

[keen spruce]

You do still garrote

[limber lion]

That build is a single target build

[gray sleet]

i wanna have the knowledge

[limber lion]

You will do single target damage

But that's basically it

It's meant for literally prioing whatever done

[spice surge]

Not on aoe no, no point without imp garrote

[limber lion]

You're not gonna beat a good AoE build in AoE ever

with that build

[gray sleet]

Ok

[keen spruce]

[gray sleet]

That's all i wanted to know

[keen spruce]

what a time to be alive

[gray sleet]

That's why they don't go Arcane mage, they go ASSA with this build

[limber lion]

Yeah, your only job is to disable and kill the big boys

[gray sleet]

I just wanted to know that

[limber lion]

I would never play that build personally

Just bleed it out everywhere

Glgl

[keen spruce]

like 17s+

maybe

[gray sleet]

So bleeds is the way to go

[limber lion]

Yes

[keen spruce]

when stuff can actually survive a kingsbane

[limber lion]

Unless you're in a coordinated group with a very particular setup

Yeah

[spice surge]

Realistically you can play whatever you want out of the builds

[limber lion]

Yeah that hasn't really changed the past 4 years

[gray sleet]

My only problem with bleed build is that i energy starve to much on boss fights

[limber lion]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[limber lion]

Easy robot

[spice surge]

Thats assa, bleed actually starves less

Since it has blindside

[gray sleet]

Yeah but before the 35%

[spice surge]

Blindside works above 35%

[limber lion]

Dashing Scoundrel DTB won't do that much

[shy creek]

Idt its that bad, just sometimes you dip below to hit DN and then just wait up

[gray sleet]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[spice surge]

Id recommend bleed, but you can play any of the builds and get a feel for what you like the most

Pretty sure people are still sleeping on iron wire

Like ye it costs a bit of dps, but its completely bonkers

[coral ibex]

there just arent as many dangerous casts this season tho

[spice surge]

Being able to silence mobs for 51 seconds

Is very silly

[west smelt]

It makes for a comfy time gathering casters

[spice surge]

Ontop of it being -15% dmg too

[shy creek]

I think this is the underrated part

Ive noticed ofnrogue that my tanks dont feel like they're getting one shot walking into packs

priory pulls especially

[coral ibex]

i just can't think of a single pull this season where i seriously wish i had iron wire

[analog field]

Priory is a IW dungeon 10000%

[shy creek]

Rookery

[analog field]

it just feels so good

[shy creek]

Maybe just noob pug players, but keepingthose thunderers silence entire time

Really nice

[spice surge]

We pulled 3 and 4 at the same time because i just kept iron wire up

[strange python]

i have enough gilded to craft something, we think neck or should i do weapon or something else?

[shy creek]

Sim it

[coral ibex]

dont need to sim

craft a weapon

done

you dont have a myth track weapon

[spice surge]

One weapon yes

[strange python]

tyty

wait do i rock double crafted or just upgrade my current crafted weapon?

[coral ibex]

just upgrade

[drifting cloud]

upgrade

[strange python]

coool yall the best, ty

[coral ibex]

i guess if you're saving all the CC for some other packs

like on the other side

[spice surge]

?

I mean obviously its doable without, but its just way easier

[coral ibex]

most groups have like 12-15 ways to stop casts including kicks

[spice surge]

But like, theres a reason people like vengeance and boomy

[red schooner]

Bad taste

[coral ibex]

vdh, boomie, cap totem, blind

[red schooner]

Who wants a chicken

FR

[spice surge]

No boomie

[red schooner]

They're chickens they've never damaged the first boss of dark flame in their life

[shy creek]

everytime i see boomkin damage on first boss of dfc i laugh

its the fakest damage of all time

[red schooner]

Huh that boss took a while but the boomkin was blasti- oh

[shy creek]

everytime

[red schooner]

That boss gets pulled star surge vanishes off of their bars

[shy creek]

what abt my overall.

did the boss rlly die if i didnt top overall

[west smelt]

I feel blackjack is similarly underrated honestly

[shy creek]

Is that the one you take that isn't tricks

[west smelt]

Yes

[shy creek]

Idk that one is tricky since its blind specifically

Hard to use it in a meaningful way

[spice surge]

Hard to get good value out of ye

Like blackjack could be baseline baked into blind and it wouldnt be too bad

But if iron wire was baseline it would be absolutely nuked into the ground

[vast shuttle]

worth dropping lightweight shiv for iron wire in pugging?

[spice surge]

I would say so yes

You lose some damage for sure, but you have way more agency in preventing wipes on a lot of pulls

[vapid bolt]

not only that, it seems they've yet to implement a button to disable their nameplate features alltogether?

[limber lion]

Yuuuup you gotta delete some config files to disable it.

Good product.

[vapid bolt]

why do i feel like that's easier to do than to configure every single mob

[strange tundra]

😭

[vapid bolt]

i was about to go full lazy mode and make them all just very small

[runic hinge]

I wish it was baked in and not nuked and Assa was super op

[coral ibex]

me when im baked in

[silk sundial]

How is pacemaker if you desync it from your cd's? I got lucky week 1 with a mythic pacemaker and haven't replaced it since, sims better than H Kezan up to 7 minutes. But let's say you hold your cds on a fight for a set of adds or a mechanic like Stix

[normal mist]

isnt pacemaker passive

[strange tundra]

it is

i just have it equiped and dont even think about it

[silk sundial]

It's passive crit every 60 seconds

[strange tundra]

crits extend it by 15s

[silk sundial]

I never put much thought into it. But say Stix, you either send cds on pull or wait till 38 second mark. Now you don't have the crit buff.

[strange tundra]

i cant speak on that i dont raid

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter much really

[strange tundra]

pacemaker go brrr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/821808130308571137.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[silk sundial]

Probably thinking about it too much

[spice surge]

Ye like the entire effect is worth like 2.5% compared to having nothing

And you get most of the value even if you dont get it during cds

So its

[strange tundra]

i think on dung its 50% uptime iirc

[silk sundial]

Yeah it's stupid uptime.

Kinda funny. I don't have much crit without it, so I simmed pacemaker, signet and kezan. At 7+ minutes pacemaker/kezan sims higher than signet/kezan

[spice surge]

ye all trinkets stinky

[strange tundra]

keep in mind it's not global crit

[silk sundial]

It Sims better but the idea of double passive sounds gross

[viscid spear]

Just today I've been declined from Floodgates because they think I want Pacemaker.

[strange tundra]

lol what

[drifting cloud]

whispyr did some janky sim on stream and it was like -0.8 which is kinda not that small

[viscid spear]

I don't, but they don't know that.
They just see a Agi/Str melee and make assumptions

[strange tundra]

its all the fault of those clickbait youtubers

[viscid spear]

I could put in my note that I don't need it and could trade it, but I don't like groups making assumptions.

[coral ibex]

why would people care? its not like only one can drop from the box

[viscid spear]

If they want something bad enough they won't invite people that could use it.

[strange tundra]

they wanna maximise their chances

i just bought it for 20k first dungeon i joined

cba farming it

[coral ibex]

[strange tundra]

then got it myth track from vault

[spice surge]

20k, that bro was really downbad

[viscid spear]

I got a Warbound version on one of the kills yesterday, but I kept at it and got a Heroic track on the next run

[strange tundra]

i had like 500k at that time or something

early season

[viscid spear]

I only have 500k now

[spice surge]

Well ye but its like 0.5% ahead of the others already, so that pretty much just makes it equal to the other options

Depends on exact setup too ig

[keen cape]

Hello gamers, can someone help me understand assassination a bit better

Some guides ive seen say apply rupture up to 5 targets, but i'm bleed build. Do i want to apply it to 5-6 targets and start caustic spatter spamming with deathstalker sooner or just try to apply as much rupture as possible in a big pack?

[heady drum]

in bleed build just go ham on the ruptures brother

sudden demise go brrrrrrrrr

[keen cape]

Okay, thank you

[shut minnow]

I'm curious is there a way to spread rupture to multiple targets?

[heady drum]

indiscriminate carnage

bottom row on the right or something

[keen cape]

Yeah from stealth

and like 7-8 seconds after stealth it'll still be spreading

[shut minnow]

So basically it's stealth,ambush, garrote, rupture, deathmark, kingsbane, shiv to multilate and envonom?

[keen cape]

Ambush, garrote, rupture, rupture, garrote in aoe i believe

[shut minnow]

Trying to follow the wowhead guides but seems so complicated lol

[heady drum]

gettin cT up fast is important

[spice surge]

Keep bleeds up

[heady drum]

it does jiga damage

[coral ibex]

you should focus less on specific key presses and be watching to see your CP and bleeds getting spread

[spice surge]

Press envenom into your caustic target

[coral ibex]

i swear new players that think about their rotation like this are just holding themselves back

[keen cape]

CT?

[spice surge]

Crimson tempest

[keen cape]

ah ofc

[spice surge]

Apply your 5 ruptures for scent > apply ct > envenoms into your caustic target or spread more ruptures to targets that dont have it and that matter if youre specced into bleed

[shut minnow]

What about in raid though?

[spice surge]

Hit boss

Unironically

You can rupture one target thats close to you to get energy back when it dies, but if you have energy you'd rather just envenom the boss and cleave

[shut minnow]

Ok cool just seems so energy starved at 645

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[viscid spear]

When asked if he could dismiss his pet so it doesn't pull on skip

[coral ibex]

anyone else watching the cs blast rivals finals rn

[viscid spear]

You see some fun stuff doing dungeons

[vast shuttle]

how does suden demise proc?

[gray sleet]

Who's got the Meld macro?

[vapid fable]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[true tapir]

Does this work or do you still have to step away from packs and it works sometimes?

[spice surge]

Regardless of what macro you use its still sketch and only works sometimes

[foggy rover]

Why does it feel like my sim is fake

[royal lantern]

?

[foggy rover]

I do more damage than my sim

[coral ibex]

sims are an average

i also beat my sim on ST

[foggy rover]

Why does it do that?

[cerulean walrus]

What are you using as a reference?

[coral ibex]

why does it provide an average?

what result would you prefer, the highest possible result after thousands of attempts?

[foggy rover]

For example i do more damage on sprocket ST than my sim in 5 min

[coral ibex]

correct, sims are an average of thousands of runs

[serene mason]

Did blizzard fuck up the fast eat reward ? 😄

[foggy rover]

For example i do more damage on sprocket ST than my sim in 5 min

[coral ibex]

bro are you a bot

[vivid mulch]

Surprised i just did a 98 log on HC sprocket

I really have improved :D

[coral ibex]

you sent the exact same message

after i answered why

[foggy rover]

yeah did he answer?

[coral ibex]

[foggy rover]

I replied to fereran

[coral ibex]

why would they have any better of an answer

[foggy rover]

Idk because he asked a me question and i replied

thats how a conversation works

[royal lantern]

is sprocket a 5min fight for you

[coral ibex]

ok ill go fuck myself

[viscid spear]

[normal mist]

are you counting with the % bonus from the raid?

Because i believe the sims do not calculate that

[viscid spear]

[haughty flicker]

3 cloak slots nice

[viscid spear]

If that means I can get rid of this stupid boost cloak then sure

I want my Glider ability back

[haughty flicker]

oh if you want a cloak then it definitely isnt a cloak

you shouldnt have let them know that

[viscid spear]

There's quite a few things I could use, I just have to hope it's not crap

[cerulean walrus]

Wrathion won’t bless your vault then

L bozo

[cerulean walrus]

Lmao he left the server

[runic hinge]

sim doesnt have 9% buff from raid

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[cerulean walrus]

Bro screaming at ghosts

Into the void it goes

[haughty flicker]

why did he leave lmao

what

[viscid spear]

He's still a member of Fel Hammer, so that explains a lot

[cerulean walrus]

His mental! HIS MENTAL!!!

[viscid spear]

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

beating your sim was a normal thing even without the raid buff

it was an indicator of good play

[gray sleet]

What was the Meld macro? Someone had it here

[runic hinge]

its still like 50/50

[cerulean walrus]

All these goofy nelfs

[gray sleet]

I have this one, is it any better?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[coral ibex]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

mad bc short

[royal lantern]

the only macro a elf should use

is the race change button

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah but I play undead though

WotF goated

Sorry bud I can’t hear you. You drowned.

[neat flame]

out of curiosity, what kind of total % increase in throughput will the turbo boost ilvl bump give us? (assuming BIS current to BIS turbo boost)

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[coral ibex]

probably like 5-8%? isn't 1 ilvl basically = to 1% throughput

[devout jasper]

did evasion work in rik reverb amflications

[coral ibex]

it did, dont think it does anymore

[gray sleet]

It doesn't

[devout jasper]

😦 ty guys

[coral ibex]

got changed this week

[neat flame]

i've wondered about that, but I've never sat down to look at it. if thats true, i assume the curve is exponential for sub current tier ilvl (i.e. leveling) then flattens out to quasi-linear?

[devout jasper]

yea i saw this

[coral ibex]

i wonder if you can vanish it like you can vanish the knockback from the overseers in DFC

[coral ibex]

hmmm i think ill go into a heroic pug and test this out actually

since you should be playing vv for better cleave anyway

vanish should be free

[hidden bay]

@inland dirge

[earnest tendon]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtletly.

[coral ibex]

doesnt work

[silk sundial]

You can vanish the knockback from the overseers in dfc?