assassination

[vivid mulch]

It is 338k less dmg yes

[indigo sphinx]

Why take the trade offer of less dam for more effort

[vivid mulch]

Yeah imma just go bleed, but another question

DO i have to stay above 150 energy in st?

For it to be worth it

[burnt juniper]

bleed hasn't been doing me too bad in 16s, but bleed def doesn't feel like it work in places like workshop or theater

overall still ends up being decent, but you go mega slow in ST portions

[vivid mulch]

ye

[indigo sphinx]

Its a small optimization but its good if you can

[burnt juniper]

you do make up for it by decimating aoe portions of the dungeon

but the really hard pain points of those 2 places are more ST oriented

[indigo sphinx]

100% but also depends on your comp tbf

[vivid mulch]

I mean yeah if you have boomkin or arcane they'll do the St work for you xd

[burnt juniper]

my team is me as bleed, ret and enhance

[vivid mulch]

And you blast AOE without using cd's

[brazen sluice]

about signet why not HoC ?

[vivid mulch]

Whereas they have to

[burnt juniper]

so enhance naturally has really good ST

and ret isn't bad either

[vivid mulch]

Isn't enahance ST a bit bad atm?

[burnt juniper]

i might be thinking of his dmg with PI and stuff

yeah sometimes it's mid

[winged sun]

idk gonna ask now

[burnt juniper]

i'm gonna start using the new hybrid build tomorrow and see what happens

[winged sun]

@balmy condor do u need to like pop house of cards exactly on deathmark otherwise it may result in a dps loss since its lower duration?

[vivid mulch]

So you prefer Hybrid over bleed in TOP and Work?

[winged sun]

or does that not matter?

[burnt juniper]

i haven't played with hybrid in a hot minute this season, was just slamming as sub then swapped to bleed

but i can already see hybrid being much better in those 2 places in particular yeah

[vivid mulch]

But not with FI perhaps

[burnt juniper]

sorry i'm a sub main, wtf is FI

[vivid mulch]

KEKW

Forced induction

[burnt juniper]

kill me

HAHA ok gotcha

yeah with that

[indigo sphinx]

If you're doing 12s like

[burnt juniper]

the more ST oriented build

[indigo sphinx]

It doesn't really matter

Just pick for fun

[burnt juniper]

we don't have an acronym for that in the sub channel because you never swap off that talent haha

so nobody ever talks about it

[analog field]

i don't think in 12's dropping bleed makes any sense

[vivid mulch]

Ah fair lmfao

[analog field]

no matter what dungeon

[burnt juniper]

sub literally has 1 talent bulid

everywhere

you swap out 1 talent for M+

done

[vivid mulch]

Isn't this doodoo xd

[clever sparrow]

waiting for about 3 hours to get inv for a brew / psf

is it usual? or they hate me?

[vivid mulch]

Wth?

[clever sparrow]

its like assa is a bad class in these 2

[vivid mulch]

I dont really have trouble with that atm

Luckily

[clever sparrow]

what IO you got :(?

[burnt juniper]

2 things

[vivid mulch]

'

[clever sparrow]

AHHH TOP!!

[vivid mulch]

Yep going for it rn

[clever sparrow]

hopefully my friend carried me for a 13 top

i dont have to do it

[burnt juniper]

1. your priory and cinderbrew are 2 levels lower than your push key level

2. people still try to meta chase at those key levels

[clever sparrow]

trying to make all of them 12 tho 😦

[burnt juniper]

OH queueing for 12

[clever sparrow]

yup

[burnt juniper]

sorry i thought 13

[clever sparrow]

they arent inviting me for 12

its so weird

[burnt juniper]

rogue is hard to put into comps

no bres

no lust

no utility

[vivid mulch]

But shroud B)

[clever sparrow]

meta chaser

[lean plover]

mage has shroud

[clever sparrow]

😦

[clever sparrow]

• BL

[vivid mulch]

not aoe shroud

[lean plover]

+arcane intellect

[clever sparrow]

mass invis

[burnt juniper]

don't need shroud when priest has soothe 😉

[clever sparrow]

instead of mass shield 😄

[lean plover]

yes they do

[burnt juniper]

also a lot of skips right now is done with tanks using meld

[lean plover]

yep

cant disenrage anymore

[burnt juniper]

plus unholy does absurd overall

[lean plover]

its 30 sec cd xddddd

[burnt juniper]

so they're right to want one

[clever sparrow]

my spotify is making me crazy it reduce volume to 1% in dungeon

[burnt juniper]

i have been able to keep up with unholy in some keys though

using bleed

[cyan trellis]

If I'm starting 16s with physical comp (druid, warrior, monk, hunter, rogue) will playing bleed build be significantly better than hybrid? Tried simming but having a hard time

[clever sparrow]

next reset it will get nerf

HOPEFULLY!

[burnt juniper]

it's getting a nerf yeah

[dapper cradle]

What’s the math of that nerf

Yuge?

[burnt juniper]

curious how big an impact it will have

[lean plover]

3%

[burnt juniper]

i heard it depends on rng

[clever sparrow]

25% nerf on Blood beast tho

[burnt juniper]

if you're getting really good blood beast procs the nerf is bigger

[clever sparrow]

imagine on big pulls

all of your dmg

is the rng thing

it spawns

[dapper cradle]

Ret buffs are kinda crazy

[clever sparrow]

it booms

youre on 16mil per sec

from 2 / 3 mil*

[burnt juniper]

kinda glad i'm running with a ret right now 😉

his buffs are my buffs

[dapper cradle]

What’s your comp?

[burnt juniper]

vdh, ret, enhance, rogue

we don't have a healer right now

[dapper cradle]

Based

Chad no caster comp

I kneel

[burnt juniper]

2 of the people are my guildies

it's kinda rough because we tried doing 5 melee comp with like mistweaver

no bueno

it's bad

really bad in some places

REALLY bad

[clever sparrow]

enh chad

love enhance rotation tbh

[burnt juniper]

he's my guildie 🙂

[clever sparrow]

piano 😄

[burnt juniper]

as a rogue you need a pocket shammy

more than any other class

[clever sparrow]

lmao

but why

does assa even need it?

[quartz cloak]

This is unfortunately so true.. I got so sick of pugging on my rogue, I get way easier invites on my devastation because of BL alone. And some other group utility that rogue doesn’t really have. At least for pugging it’s really annoying but understandable that every group with 30+ dps applicants picks magic dmg + utility + range

[clever sparrow]

i thought only outlaw needs a pocket shammy

[burnt juniper]

it's pretty big for sin too

for sub it's enormous

like roughly 10%

maybe even more

[clever sparrow]

WTF

[burnt juniper]

sub is bascially unplayable without skyfury

[clever sparrow]

we dont even have anything good for our auto attacks

same for sub

[lean plover]

sht?

[clever sparrow]

atleast outlaw gain Energy

[lean plover]

assa applies more poisons too

[burnt juniper]

sub's entire combo point and energy system revolves around auto attacks

trust it's massive

[clever sparrow]

DAMN

didnt know that

[burnt juniper]

you can actually feel the difference

sin you don't feel it

[clever sparrow]

lol

it kinda look op then

[tough hare]

Sub without skyfury feels like you forgot to take a few key talents

[clever sparrow]

ive forced my shaman friend

to switch DRUID!

[tough hare]

Had me check mid key once

[clever sparrow]

i've been playing outlaw

and i was greedy for versa

MY MASTERY IS WINNING!

road to 105

[burnt juniper]

is that as outlaw??

[clever sparrow]

assa

[lean plover]

hope its assa

[burnt juniper]

oh ok haha

[clever sparrow]

lmao

[lean plover]

4% haste on law

[clever sparrow]

100% mastery outlaw

autoattack machine 😄

[lean plover]

unplayable

[clever sparrow]

outlaw

ruined my neck for assa

[burnt juniper]

make outlaw mastery great again

[clever sparrow]

HASTE MASTERY OUTLAW KING >

im going to play this mop classic

for sub mastery

its fun af

cant wait to ruin pepole day by auto attack

[burnt juniper]

back when outlaw was combat it's mastery was really good

i remember stacking mastery for pvp

[clever sparrow]

wasnt it main gauche?

[burnt juniper]

i think so yeah

[clever sparrow]

its still main gauche tho

they just nerfed it

[burnt juniper]

but it worked differently

[clever sparrow]

like hot hands on enhance shaman

[warm vortex]

Don't wanna be a salty guy

but how fucking stupid do you need to b

to be in a 14

And not know what "Bl" means

[burnt juniper]

you could 100-0 someone in pvp in a kidney shot with red buff and killing spree

[warm vortex]

as a shaman

[burnt juniper]

because your mastery procced like crazy

[lavish wing]

Maybe alliance

[clever sparrow]

alliance?

😄

[warm vortex]

Ok?

[clever sparrow]

they call it heroism

[warm vortex]

But people call it lust either way

[clever sparrow]

^^

[warm vortex]

Yes i know

But it's commonly refered to as bloodlust in my experiance

[lavish wing]

Hero on pull

[warm vortex]

And his response was just
"Sorry was distracted"

[clever sparrow]

WTF 😂

[warm vortex]

despite the tank saying it multiple times

during the pull

[burnt juniper]

it was so long ago so i don't remember the exact specifics

[clever sparrow]

its probably

[burnt juniper]

but yeah combat mastery was once pretty good

[clever sparrow]

mop / cata / wod

[lavish wing]

Maybe forgot he's on bl alt

[warm vortex]

He already did it that dungeon

So he knows he has it

[clever sparrow]

best poison ever invented

[lavish wing]

Happened to be on dk, like oh shit im the cr guy 🤣

[burnt juniper]

oh i think i remember, when you had more mastery the % chance to proc was higher

per attack

on top of doing more dmg

[clever sparrow]

that cata + MOP

i remember that

lol

[warm vortex]

Well

[burnt juniper]

so when you went into killing spree you attacked really, really fast and main gauche procced nonstop

[warm vortex]

If someone says "CR"

You will probably be remembered

Also

[clever sparrow]

lmao

[lavish wing]

I dont read chat

[warm vortex]

He was doing a pull that's a very obv BL pull

Text bubbles appear above your character when you speak

Was this pull

[clever sparrow]

sub mastery was about Slice and dice gives attack speed from your mastery %

[burnt juniper]

yeah i miss that

[clever sparrow]

you just right click pepole

to DEAD

[tough hare]

Good old times waiting for 3min for your mage to get a sheep around kicks, grounds, intervene, and just say "fuck it" internal bleeding KS red spree healer dead go next

[clever sparrow]

i miss 3 spells the most
burst of speed - paralytic poison and Shadow priest surrender to madness

if they ever bring back surrender to madness

[weary spear]

I mean it’s really not that big of a deal happens all the time

[clever sparrow]

BEST FEELING EVER

[weary spear]

Might be language barrier

[burnt juniper]

good times 🙂

[clever sparrow]

pumping boss and you die after boss

[clever sparrow]

wow was better in old times

i miss legion

i kinda scared about legion classic

it will literaly destroy retail

[warm vortex]

Yea but like it's a 14

And he spoke english

and knows what bloodlust is

[clever sparrow]

WHO TF play retail when we have legion classic

[warm vortex]

Because we told him earlier about it

[tough hare]

I just ping the dude's head now until they understand

[mighty gust]

Old content is lame

[clever sparrow]

NAHHH

legion dungeons were shit i agree

[mighty gust]

Tf I wana replay it for

[clever sparrow]

but raids??

NAHH

[normal mist]

And for some, legion was like yesterday

[clever sparrow]

i still play legion on private servers sometimes

keys are living hell

[verbal stirrup]

ur getting gaslit to fuck

if ur doing a 14 and u dont lust after 5 reminders in chat on an obvious lust pull idk

stop playing poker on the other screen or

[warm vortex]

Yea haha

Pugland

[verbal stirrup]

people seriously acting like a shaman in a 14 doesnt know what lust is because they are alliance

i play on an alliance only server for like 10 years now and ive never heard anyone refer to it as heroism ever

[clever sparrow]

not real alliance server

[wintry trout]

i heard it refered by hero , lust mostly

[clever sparrow]

they were horde inside

[warm vortex]

This too yea

[lavish wing]

Maybe it wasnt bl turn on rotation manager

[warm vortex]

TRUE

Bro imagine that

Bl shows up in the rota manager

the equivilant of brann saying

"I'm going all out!"

On some random trash mobs

[verbal stirrup]

hope the shaman rotation manager doesnt bloodlust when my assa rotation manager is reapplying my poisons

[lavish wing]

i wonder how that one button shit is gonna work for healers

is it also switching targets

[lost wolf]

it just automatically heals the pally in the group

[wintry trout]

i dont think it will , might be dps tank thing only

[mint mica]

In a big M+ pull, is there a certain ballpark number of Ruptures you aim to keep up after the ones from your Indiscriminate Carnage window fall off?

[clever sparrow]

STILL HAVENT GOT BREW / PSF

give rogue a BL

[cyan trellis]

huge sudden demise lol

[winged sun]

yea sudden demise can kill through shields

kinda cool

[midnight mist]

nice

i remember the exact same thing happening on that sv boss

saved a key !

[cyan trellis]

Fun when this happens, not so much when you kill your homies in ToP

[cedar elm]

i am a double shiv sally

[red schooner]

I think they fixed that

Though yeah week 1 breaking that out on unsuspecting guildies was fun

[cyan trellis]

Omg really

I've been telling people I need to lose every time

[red schooner]

I mean i normally just tell people to kill me, cos it takes too long to get rolling and kill the other person

No mark, no bleeds up, as well as not great ST damage anyhow cos sin rogue in m+

[viscid spear]

IT CAN'T END LIKE THIS

[vivid mulch]

Lol

!wa

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[viscid spear]

What do you have equipped?

[vivid mulch]

Guess

Both trinkets are hero track

[lean plover]

hoc

[vivid mulch]

Huh

Its mechano-core

[analog field]

mechano is better than hero signet

[viscid spear]

I hate you for having Pacemaker though

[wintry trout]

wild statment out of context

[vivid mulch]

I dont have pacemaker xd

I just wanted to see the difference

I know they're the same

[viscid spear]

At least it's not a 645 Eye

[vivid mulch]

Actually lemme sim Eye for raid

[viscid spear]

I have Heroic HoC and a 658 Amp

[vivid mulch]

still better than eye and HoC in 5 min ST

I guess the fight has to take 6 - 7 mins?

[spark warren]

!wa

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[viscid spear]

My sims change between 5 min and 8 min fight length.

Again, my Eye is 645 so

[vivid mulch]

This is

6 mins

[warm vortex]

T H O S E W E B S W I L L S U M M O N N E R U B I A N S, D O N ' T S T A N D I N E ' M

[vivid mulch]

I think i didn't have my raid talents picked before lol

[viscid spear]

I feel that, plenty of times I run sims on Tuesdays after I check Vault and forget I'm still in M+ build.

[vivid mulch]

5 min fight

[rustic adder]

Is there anytning besides blind we can do for the affix this week?

[viscid spear]

Be a BElf

Arcane Torrent is an AoE dispel

[vivid mulch]

Minmax your AOE CC's B)

[west smelt]

Fellas I thought sin didn't really care too much about stats, why is it simming 100-200k lower than my sub? Is signet/HoC really that important? (I'm using double passive ATM since it's Sims higher than using the PvP trink I use on sub)

[red schooner]

Id say just don't trust sim numbers alone, sin sims low

[runic hinge]

dont use the sims to compares specs just gear

[west smelt]

Is it because sin has meaningful execute or something?

That's good to know anyway

[spice spire]

No it’s because a lot of classes add optimizations that are unrealistic to gains.
They just see “x apl does more so we send it”

[west smelt]

I did notice I am doing 200k ISH more in real fights (even though I'm getting 50th %iles compared to the 85-90s I was getting on sub)

[spice spire]

It’s akin to a 0.2% gain if you rupture at 12 seconds instead of pandemic but a 0.1% loss if 11

(This is an example and is not real)

[stable cove]

wowhead guide says to fok on 2 target, but with blindside talentedwouldnt it be 3?

[runic hinge]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[stable cove]

ty

[runic hinge]

🙂

[spice spire]

Yep girl math that shit bestie

[rotund oak]

[runic hinge]

[spice spire]

Listen

I was up too late that’s on me

[scarlet wyvern]

which flask do you usually use for Assa?

Alchemical or Mastery

[clever sparrow]

dude whats wrong with this BREW + PSF

i still havent got any key

[viscid spear]

I use the Alchemical.
I like Chaos

[stable cove]

this is prob dumb question but if u have 3 stacks of mark on a target and darkest night up im guessing ur suppose to avoid spending full cp to consume the existing stacks first?

[clever sparrow]

SAME SAME!

[runic hinge]

cant consume stacks with DN up

[stable cove]

rlly? itll stay at 3?

[runic hinge]

yes

[stable cove]

in which tool tip does it describe that

or it doesnt?

[runic hinge]

it doesnt

[stable cove]

ok so if u have proc just send it?

[analog field]

why shouldn't you though ?

[runic hinge]

you always wanna consume darkest night asap

[stable cove]

ok

i thought i could consume the 3 existing stacks first xd cant believe i didnt notice that

tyvm for the heads up lol

[runic hinge]

i am up too early

[spice spire]

Same bestie

Old man squad

[viscid spear]

[cinder steppe]

!haste

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[west smelt]

Now I think about this more I'm not sure it's the culprit since I know for a fact I can hit a dummy for the exact same as SIM with no raid buffs (with raid buffs is a bit different since the spec moves a bit faster)

[red schooner]

Spreading this as gospel

[west smelt]

So I don't think the sub apl has too many degenerate optimizations baked in

[spice spire]

Oh wait

You’re comparing sub and sin

It’s the same philosophy I thought you were going different classes dog

[rotund oak]

sub is pretty str8 forward yeah

not much to do,exhale everything,wait till next time

[west smelt]

Meaningful execute makes sense to me for why sin would under-sim

[spice spire]

I mean it sims with execute

[west smelt]

Oh

[spice spire]

I’m about to spread you pal

[red schooner]

I think Sims take execute into account

[red schooner]

Not again

[indigo sphinx]

It just doesn't account for the absolute goats playing sin

[spice spire]

But they’re a hamster?

[red schooner]

It's a bear though

[west smelt]

I'm just confused because I'm playing worse on sin (much lower percentiles) while doing more damage yet simming lower on sin compared to sub

[spice spire]

Wait oh I could have avoided this conversation easily

Assassination in raid is now piss easy. Therefore many can do the basics to do good damage, there’s not a ton of sequencing, nothing crazy.

It’s just burst windows

Maintain bleeds

And envenom

No vanish, no bitches, etc

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Also we partitioned a week ago so you’re not parsing against week one 638s in s1 gear

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[austere flame]

Have we figured out which corruption is gonna be bis

Or it doesn't matter

[west smelt]

So basically, there's super low variance and realistically 50s are ok

[spice spire]

I mean there’s absolutely variance literally the 4p is variance

You can post a log

It does help

[analog field]

is execute calculated in sims ?

[spice spire]

Yes

[analog field]

oh i thought a reason we undersim is this

[spice spire]

Nop

[vivid mulch]

got my 12 TOP

Even tho it took 4 tries kek

Look at that KB dmg tho

[glass grotto]

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[viscid spear]

Floodgate, these drop

[west smelt]

I tried before to start a log thread but apparently that doesn't work in here :)

This was our best mug'zee attempt, I was pretty consistent across the night except for the last pull where I got screwed over with the ice

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/avAbYXfQ4ByJMxDp?fight=12&type=damage-done

[viscid spear]

Second time I've gotten a Warbound version of a BiS trinket

[agile mason]

Probably a braindead question, but for Deathmark, does it only dup the stuff that's on when you apply it, or anything during the duration?

[analog field]

during the duration also

no snapshots

[agile mason]

Cool, thx

[analog field]

only snapshot rogue has is CT based on targets

[cinder hazel]

in ST for bleed build m+, am i supposed to be running out of energy on bosses? Or should i be maintaining 50% energy and just do a "slow" rotation to maintain it

I kind of understand the rotation, but why am i just always out of energy

[viscid spear]

Contemplating just sending the Pacemaker to my Druid

[sudden brook]

Improved garrote too

[sudden brook]

Do this, aim to sit above 50%

[analog field]

yeah you will be out of energy, the goal is to put up your bleeds and refresh them without losing uptime. When you have to refresh bleeds or cast shiv/dm you spam your buttons , when you don't instead of spamming a filler envenom you can auto attack to go above 50%

[sudden brook]

Because that's how the spec works

The spec doesn't have energy in st, it's by design

[cinder hazel]

so in ST, im basically energy starved with bleed stacks up and then auto attack back to 50%

and do it all over again

[sudden brook]

Well more that you want to hover above 150

[spice spire]

Hamster? I hardly know er!

[sudden brook]

Only going below when you have dn up

[cinder hazel]

what's DN?

[sudden brook]

Darkness night

Hero talent enevnom payoff

[cinder hazel]

ah got it

[sudden brook]

Do you spam in shiv for bleed build? Any knowers

[spice spire]

It’s actually deez nuts

[spice spire]

Once all bleeds are up (Ct included)

On cd (while not in shiv)

[sudden brook]

What

[spice spire]

So you have two charges

You don’t double shiv

[plucky canopy]

Yes you do as far as I know

[analog field]

yeah you spam when shiv is on the target, and then go afk after it ends

[plucky canopy]

You mean Spam evenom?

[sudden brook]

Like normally for bleed build u stay above 150, but if you are in shiv, do you care about staying above 150

[spice spire]

Oh no

[sudden brook]

Or do u spam

[spice spire]

You spam

[sudden brook]

That's what I thought

[spice spire]

You’re only pooling like 20% of the time to stay above

When no shiv and no energy or darkest night

No point in not pooling

[viscid spear]

According to sims
5min Patchwerk: HoC(665)/Pace(658)
8min Patchwerk: HoC(665)/EoK(645)

[spice spire]

Yeah that tracks

Eye is very good the longer you go even at a rat ilvl I believe it

[viscid spear]

DUmb Warbound junk

[spice spire]

Warbound eye would be going to a rat

[viscid spear]

Saw Pacemaker and got excited

[analog field]

But what fight is 8 min apart from last 3 bosses in mythic?

[spice spire]

You answered it

[keen spruce]

[humble verge]

multi dollar company

let me see if i can fix this

nvm it got worse

[hollow river]

o.o

[radiant raven]

That's impressive

[restive glade]

!platers

[humble verge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tall atlas]

so this just happened

[restive glade]

ty, ceverion plater fucking impossible to see what my ability on the ad is

[earnest remnant]

LOL

i saw that

[restive glade]

aght aght what u shopping for

[tall atlas]

look

[humble verge]

clipped and shipped

[tall atlas]

i literally just logged in infront of these two

[humble verge]

shouldve been orc rogue and a orc monk with the staff

not immersive enough as belf and troll

[tall atlas]

we are looking for a donni now

bro wtf

im so happy

[restive glade]

tmog check

[tall atlas]

squad inc

SOMEONE DRESSED AS DONNATELLO SHOWED UP

LOL

[lethal lynx]

oh hey I did a key with you

(it did not go well so I won't say which one)

[normal mist]

thats a full set

[restive glade]

super creative 100%

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-14215039757555920220

[viscid spear]

Mog checked

[restive glade]

thats from cata yea?

[normal mist]

thats from a lot of places

[tall atlas]

say

[normal mist]

#1262437829150113855

[lethal lynx]

It was the +12 Cinderbrew that my healer friend shat the bed on during the first boss and we called it

[tall atlas]

we fucking did it

[wintry trout]

watch out for shredder

[normal mist]

human rogue in Aberrus tier inc

[red schooner]

My boy. He's vibing.

[tall atlas]

we are going to do a tmnkey

[viscid spear]

Do you have a Splinter?

[tall atlas]

yes

[hard perch]

Needed a vulpera for Splinter me thinks

[tall atlas]

we tried was too cute

[final hollow]

Any advice i want to switch to Assassination but i currently have 675 sword and 668 fist weapon currently so is switching possible without a major dip in damage / ilvl

current spec is outlaw

[normal mist]

correct

get daggers first

[final hollow]

thats what i thought thanks for the sanity check lol

[gray sleet]

I don't understand this casual addict guy is full stacked on crit mastery yet the sims asks us to put some haste and vers

[normal mist]

He's doing his thing

[final hollow]

thank you sir!

[red schooner]

its almost like characters have different gear and stats and sims can be different character to character depending on content being done

[gray sleet]

And he's playing KB

[normal mist]

probably justified in 17+

[nova aspen]

zeross build

[nova aspen]

crit mastery favors aoe

haste favors single target

[keen spruce]

Your sims say to put on haste vers

His might be different

Also different build different key level

@runic hinge

[runic hinge]

also stats matter pretty little, i could recraft everything and might be +/- 2%

[clever sparrow]

hardest part of resiliance

[mighty rapids]

mythic OAB do you guys hard switch to adds or just cleave off boss

[analog field]

cinder is the hardest by farrr

[clever sparrow]

NAHHH

i've never passed from the first pull

tanks always die

[analog field]

psf is maybe my favorite one from this pool

[foggy mirage]

The hardest is being invited to the final one you need

[analog field]

first pull is hard but bvery nice dungeon

[clever sparrow]

YEP

[analog field]

i have cinder and psf for 14 now

[clever sparrow]

ive been looking for a dungeon since 15PM (server time)

its 20 now..

20:30

actualy

rogue gamplay is fun:
the gampley: ( being in que for 5 hours)

[somber sparrow]

i'm declining you from this conversation

[clever sparrow]

im used to getting declined and rejected

i will ask everysingle girl in street from now

who cares

[somber sparrow]

but really, the solution is rogues should have a lust ability. Perhaps some sort of crystalized powder that energizes everyone.

[clever sparrow]

I WILL BE THE REJECTION IT SELF!

[foggy mirage]

lust shouldn't be class specific just give everyone lust

[somber sparrow]

blue crystal

[clever sparrow]

why not white?

spraying me*h to the air

and everyone gets high

EZ

[somber sparrow]

might get confused with blinding powder

[clever sparrow]

HMMM

[foggy mirage]

since you technically can with drums anyway, it's just expensive for the ones without it built in- shouldn't be this way

[clever sparrow]

thats 10% weaker tho

[foggy mirage]

it shouldn't be

[clever sparrow]

its 1k tho

WHO GOT THE MONEYYYYY

[somber sparrow]

Do you think rogues would get accepted more if we inherently had a lust?

[clever sparrow]

Nope

the problem isnt lust tbh

[foggy mirage]

it would remove searching for a specific class bcs of lust

[clever sparrow]

rogues wont get accepted even tho if we had a lust

we need a buff

look at monk and DH

[foggy mirage]

just promotes more diversity

[clever sparrow]

they dont have lust / raid buff

but they do something for raid

DH 5% magic dmg debuff

or monk physical buff

maybe with something like that

tbh they should delete the shaman buff

that gives you chance to attack another time

its not really a shaman buff tho

(atleast for ele and resto)

rogue could have it

GOOD ENDING

[viscid spear]

[topaz hare]

im seing mostly 14+ hybrid build mostly on raiderio.

[vivid mulch]

Pending

[topaz hare]

would love to see what are peoples opinion on higher keys either bleed or hybrid.

[analog field]

generally until like 16 bleed is the choice in here

[brazen sluice]

i doubt it if u going to ToP

[winged sun]

credits to tobfon for helping me out, Zeross TC arc inc??

[analog field]

for me top14 was really good with bleed

[winged sun]

will keep you guys updated

[analog field]

but surely top feels like a dungeon that you cxan go hybrid a bit earlier

zeross what is your opinion for TOP 15?

[topaz hare]

DFC was miserable for me yesterday

i got it but sheesh

[analog field]

in 14?

[topaz hare]

15

first pack pulls sure, after that meh

[analog field]

in 14 i found a pug and we almost +++ it

first obss is ok for bleed also

[lunar roost]

I recently returned to playing Assa, what stat do I use now? Can you help me? Thank you very much.

[analog field]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[radiant sorrel]

Is there m+ build that uses Iron Wire ?

[errant hawk]

Can someone tell me, what is the reason why people prefer to play hybrid instead of bleeds in high keys?

[vast shuttle]

how does fan of knifes work sometimes it gives more sometimes less

[viscid spear]

Familiarity?

[radiant sorrel]

It is crit based, kinda cringe tbh

[west smelt]

1 cp then one extra with each crit per target

[vast shuttle]

i see

[west smelt]

From seal fate

[west smelt]

Wtb the rotten on sin

[topaz hare]

Clear the Witnesses also generates one with mark

[weary spear]

Anyone in the know if how much of a nerf dk is getting?

[hollow river]

Iirc only a small nerf

A couple percent type deal

[weary spear]

Lame

Buff rogue nerf everyone else 😡

[topaz hare]

so what i want to know so i wont be bothering people here, the higher it goes (key wise), would that be more ST dependent or not. or we always but always absolutely always do dungeon slice. ? if not when do we use patchwerk if ever when doing sims. I want to know what the logic is behind people in here, so i can get a clear path

[hollow river]

1.6% buff in ST
3% nerf in m+

[hollow river]

We always use dslice yes and it depends on what key level we’re talking about

[topaz hare]

15+

[hollow river]

In 15s bleed is still fine afaik

Once you get to like 17+ is when the hybrid type builds get popular

[topaz hare]

thanks trickz

[errant hawk]

thanks, can you explain why hybrid is popular in high keys?

cuz bleeds sims better

[hollow river]

It’s just ST

[royal lantern]

nerf rogue and nerf everyone else aswell

[topaz hare]

I havethis feeling that is just ST

[royal lantern]

just nerf everything

nerf mount cast time

[weary spear]

Bleed ST is great

[topaz hare]

since high keys bosses be having too much health, you want that extra ST on bosses

i would assume, dont take my word for it

[weary spear]

As long as you get a DM at beginning of fight and DM in execute can use it until whatever key you want

[candid jasper]

I was actually about to ask when to go hybrid over bleed, interesting topic!

I was under the impression bleed was doing great ST too actually

[hollow river]

Sims are one thing, the game is another thing

[errant hawk]

true, but bleeds look like good in ST too

[hollow river]

Something can sim better but that isn’t taking into account the specific route or your comp

[weary spear]

Personally in 16s bleed does more overall and more ST. Especially if you get a lust in execute like on swampface or last boss rookery

[radiant sorrel]

This is the Hubrind build and the one WITHOUT Kings bane is the bleed one yes ?

[polar rampart]

yes bleed is no kb

[analog field]

yeah but the hybrid that zeros play is better st , although it loses subterfuge, it pumps on bosses if that's what's needed in the group

[errant hawk]

thanks for ur replies

[polar rampart]

it does pretty good aoe with big spatters too

[topaz hare]

how does that talent tree look like?

[shy axle]

you take the middle path like raid build and left like the pic above

gar only in st

thats what i read 2 days ago

[hollow river]

you can garrote your main target in aoe iirc

but i haven't done much looking into the build so not 100% sure

[runic hinge]

he said he garrotes if you need energy from it but if the pack has enough ruptures for him to be full he doesnt spread

but he said he does spread with ic

[woeful lantern]

!builds

Barnacles

[errant hawk]

the hybrid build is still 2 shiv ? or only one?

[woeful lantern]

Where can I find the hybrid build vs bleed build and when is each appropriate?

[errant hawk]

You can read just 5min ago

[hollow river]

most people will never need to fuck with the hybrid build

[woeful lantern]

Oh score

[hollow river]

[woeful lantern]

What key level does it become prevalent do you think?

[hollow river]

some 17s, 18s

[woeful lantern]

I'm pretty sure I'm running the hybrid build rn 💀

I've been playing on my rogue about a week

[hollow river]

the bleed build should be on wowhead

[woeful lantern]

So i have no idea what I'm doing honestly

And the bleed build performs better below 17?

[hollow river]

ye

[woeful lantern]

Ty king

[woeful lantern]

I'm gonna show the cooked af build I'm running r

[topaz hare]

I mean unless you running trickster

lol

[woeful lantern]

No lmao

[balmy condor]

Fatebound hybrid surely

-30%

[topaz hare]

🤣

[viscid spear]

[runic hinge]

Me last season in my 10’s

[woeful lantern]

I dont even remember where i got this

[balmy condor]

That’s standard hybrid yeh

Wowhead has that

[woeful lantern]

OKay so I'll see a damage up if i go bleed build since im doing 12-14s?

[balmy condor]

Probably yes

Depends how successfully you’re playing hybrid I guess

Bleed is easier and less dependent on your CDs

So not only is it generally “better” it’s also just less work

So for most it’s just an obvious winner

[desert crest]

Yeah hybrid is only better if the pulls last an enternity right?

[balmy condor]

Not really

[tender cedar]

Hybrid is better for bosses that last forever is I think the value

[balmy condor]

It just depends how much you’re able to leverage kingsbane tbh

[desert crest]

Atleast last i checked hybrid simed slightly better in like 5 min aoe

But i guess bleed also might scale better with bigger pulls so what ends up being better in practice is kinda up in the air

[tender cedar]

5 minute aoe is just not realistic in any m+ scenario that I’m aware of, that’s why we sim dslice to get a hybrid of big pulls and a boss

[shy axle]

It's equal-better in single target and aoe, equal-better prio, worse in low target cleave compared to hybrid. Yes the single target still sucks, that's just how the spec works

regarding bleed/hybrid from the pins

bleed has some nice talents for st (but not only) like blindside and zoldyk

[desert crest]

Yeah I know but it still should show the general trend of hybrid being better if pulls are long enough

Like MA and subterfuge sim really really good in dslice because of short pulls and restealths

[tender cedar]

They sim well because they are good talents for the situations you will actually encounter in m+

[desert crest]

But in a high enough key u get less and less value so u need to look at different pull lengths

[balmy condor]

Sustained patchwerk aoe is not a supported fight style

[desert crest]

ohh really did not know that

i guess it kinda makes sense with all the reapplying bleeds and stuff

the rule set would have to be quite a bit more complex

[balmy condor]

Optimizations for 5min aoe directly clash with optimizations for dungeonslice

Like polar opposites in many cases

[strange tundra]

do we switch from bleed at +15 or nah

damage seems fine

[balmy condor]

And I just couldn’t be fucked to make sure it’s playing properly when some bozo sims 7t 5min like a dumbass

Doesn’t make any logical sense for how the game is played

[tender cedar]

Yea it’s just pointless to know what’s best in a situation you will literally never run into

[desert crest]

No true but like 2 min or 1.5 min 8t might make sense

But might be alot of work for not much reward

[balmy condor]

I mean… not really though

That’s still a pretty insane situation

[pastel roost]

Where do you stay on 7+ target for 2 whole minute wtf ?

[tender cedar]

Exactly lol

[desert crest]

Yeah dosn't really happen no

[balmy condor]

Like I can MAYBE understand 30-45s but if we’re doing that then you can also just sim dungeonslice

[strange tundra]

in m+ u can with chain pulls and 2 vanish

[pastel roost]

Like i would rather 8 target 1 min to simulate a big pull i guess

[strange tundra]

more tha 7+ for 2 minutes

[pastel roost]

7 continuous targer for 2 minute without ever going down ?

[desert crest]

but the point was not really the specfic fight length more so the general concept of pull lengths not all being what we see in dslice

[strange python]

Even then man, mobs just have different hp pools and some die sooner some live long, idk what that kind of sim would ever help

[pastel roost]

even if you add after , the sim is already fucked

[strange python]

But Yknow

[strange tundra]

yes, psf at start for example but depends heavily on tanks route

[strange python]

People always sim weird shit

And come up with some gain

That doesn’t exist in reality

[balmy condor]

I’m working on getting support back for sustained aoe at some point down the line but it’s gonna require a really big overhaul to the entire APL, which also should help improve more advanced things like dungeonroutes and boss vuln phases/immunities

It’s just… a lot of fucking work

[desert crest]

Yeah can imagine it is a nice feature to have tho

[pastel roost]

Even then i don't think it's 120s of fighting, usualy you're left with the miniboss and maybe 2-3 target after 45 sec i think ? but maybe i've not gone high enough

[desert crest]

How long are the pulls in dslice even?

[strange comet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

dslice is iirc ~5min of combat with different target counts and a ST boss fight

[strange tundra]

after 1st boss u can do that too

in the room

[pastel roost]

But you're not, man i don't think you understand, in that situation you start with many , quickly go to 3-6 mob and maybe relink ? but it's not continuous 7 mob that don't die for 2 whole minute. the whole point of the argument is the relevance of going 8 target 2 min sim. i don't see a situation in M+ where that happen

[balmy condor]

It’s just none of this patch was imaginable in Dragonflight tbh, I rewrote the entire APL from scratch for the amirdrassil rework but I couldn’t have foreseen the fact that we have like 25 m+ builds and people going back to comparing them on very specific fight styles, like I had one guy simming 4t 3min to compare theatre of pain, which as misguided as it is, properly shouldn’t explode, or people simming 5t to test on dummies and shit

Like that just simply wasn’t on my radar because that wasn’t the direction we were going

And if sims are going to get more intelligent, not just about what buttons they’re pressing, but also what they’re fighting

That’s gonna need another full rewrite tbh

[pastel roost]

Man that's sound like a nightmare, hope you can manage :p

[strange tundra]

i will read it in a bit im in a key

[pastel roost]

No worry man, GL, but i see what you're trying to say, it's just that i don't see it that way but meh maybe i'm in the wrong

[balmy condor]

It is a nightmare, but it’s worse than that cause many many many times you’ll find an optimization running 5min aoe, and it’s like +3% on 6-8 target, neutral on 1-5, and you’ll go “oh wow great, that’s just improvement!”

Do the same sim in dungeonslice

And it’s literally -4%

Not 0.4, a full 4%

[desert crest]

The apl can use remaining fight duration tho right?

[pastel roost]

Honestly all of that goes right above my head, I'm just not good with math and just can't fathom haw y'all create that kind of tool for us to use. So i'm just grateful but seeing from the outside i'm already wincing, so i can't imagine for the guys doing it

[balmy condor]

It can yeah

[fringe spear]

a lot of trial and error and a few heads making contact with keyboards

[balmy condor]

It’s less about the sim being able to take fight duration and mob duration into account

Cause it can, and it does

It’s more that like, when you have things living for that long the optimizations are just entirely different

It’s like an entirely different rotation to balance if you have to do sustained aoe without vanish/stealths

[fringe spear]

theres also just the factor of, 'is this really the optimization, or does it result in a gain on this sim for a different reason?' like something showing as a gain because it just so happens to push your cooldowns into a bigger aoe pack

[desert crest]

Yeah okay so it is more so the number of combinations of fight duration and mob count?

That might all need a different apl

[balmy condor]

Multiply by all the talent combos

But yes

[desert crest]

Yeah it is massive

[balmy condor]

And like optimizing all of it for single target isn’t bad, optimizing all of it for sustained aoe isn’t bad, optimizing it for dungeonslice isn’t bad

On their own it’s all fine

But right now the apl is one generalized list for all situations

And that just doesn’t work anymore for what’s being demanded of it

So I need to split it up into sub lists and only trigger X list in dungeonslice for example

[desert crest]

Yeah and then bliz posts a rework or something lul

[topaz hare]

different APL depending on the situation. sheesh

[desert crest]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-cost-little-maneuver-51years-51-gif-24426899

[runic hinge]

I doubt this spec sees much of a rework

[desert crest]

Yeah they will wait until he has finished work on spliting the apl up

[balmy condor]

Well the thing is that splitting it up like that sounds like more effort to maintain

But it’s actually easier at the same time if you think about it

Like if they buff crimson tempest again or nerf caustic or whatever

I don’t need to both with any single target logic

I can focus entirely on aoe lines, and optimize just for those situations that they’re getting called in

[coral ibex]

hmmmm

[balmy condor]

So tweaking each line becomes much quicker

[desert crest]

Yeah true I guess the workload is mostly migrating it over

[balmy condor]

Versus right now if something changes, a change to one or two lines can ripple into everything

So I have to do like extensive cross-testing

Change one line and then double check that it didn’t break on any of the 14 profiles I have saved off

In no less than 9 or 10 fight styles

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

And if it does then it’s back to the drawing board

[vital haven]

you werent kidding

[desert crest]

Ohh well thanks for the info about sustained aoe not being supported

[viscid spear]

Mage sent me to Ancient Dal

[vital haven]

im on the ptr and hekili thingy is just telling me to spam poison knife

[desert crest]

Makes much more sense why i was seeing stuff in sims that did not make sense to me

[coral ibex]

you are days behind

[viscid spear]

Had the Test Pilot cloak, can't put a Glider on it

[vital haven]

ye sorry for not keeping on this disc 24/7

[coral ibex]

you're forgiven

[viscid spear]

Now I'll get it in Vault

[balmy condor]

The logic is inverted, instead of poison knife on targets NOT in melee, the tool thinks it should poison knife on targets in melee

Minor spelling mistake

[vital haven]

gotcha

its not even telling to use a finisher

just span poison knife lol

[strange tundra]

idk to me 7 mob constantly if there are chain pulls doesnt seem so unbelievable, 120 seconds isnt a lot of time

[balmy condor]

That’s also not what sustained aoe sims model

[analog field]

The same 7 targets for 2 minutes is totally unrealistic

[balmy condor]

Chain pulls are an entirely different problem with its own set of logic that needs to be added

[strange tundra]

same 7 target is unrealistic but if u have 2 vanish and there are chain pulls isnt it the same as 7 targets constantly?

[balmy condor]

No

[desert crest]

The dots are on targets

[balmy condor]

There’s nothing dying in sustained aoe sims

[desert crest]

so u need to redo bleeds and shi when chaining

[balmy condor]

They don’t die staggered

[viscid spear]

Would you say I should use HoC/ISP for pretty much anything aside from the last three in LoU?

[balmy condor]

There are no new mobs

[strange tundra]

ye i see what u mean, it would sim more damage anyway with chain pulls than same 7 targets for 2 minutes
because before the first 7 targets die u have bleeds on the new 7 targets with vaniosh and chain pull

[balmy condor]

Yeah unless you’re raiding last 3 mythic, eok doesn’t beat isp

[pastel roost]

Is there a way to simulate a bick pack pull burst ? 10 target 45s/1min ? or is the APL not reliable on that ?

[balmy condor]

I haven’t looked at that, I’d think based on the logic I have memorized that it would just spam bleeds for the most part

[viscid spear]

Same ilvl?

[balmy condor]

So I don’t think it would be all that good

[balmy condor]

Ye

[strange tundra]

i think highest ive done in big pull is like 20-25m

these unh can do like 40m

[weary spear]

It just spams bleeds like Whispyr said

Starts doing more envenom chains towards the end

[viscid spear]

Okay because my ISP is 665 and my EoK is 645

[astral current]

NA being ddosed rn?

[polar rampart]

its possible

but im fine currently

[balmy condor]

Then definitely never eok

[viscid spear]

645 EoK
658 Amp
665 Remnant
665 Pacemaker
665 HoC

Oh yeah, and a 665 Signet

[balmy condor]

Bro collecting all the garbage

Impressive

Stix Bunkjunker for trinkets

[astral current]

what's eok

[balmy condor]

Eye of kezan

[astral current]

oh

[viscid spear]

I don't have the Magnet

[astral current]

well

[balmy condor]

Brother

[weary spear]

wtf

Gonna vendor your dinars

[balmy condor]

Do we just hold onto every purple framed item

Why

[balmy condor]

What compelled you to do this

[coral ibex]

why is +13 ML impossible pug content man wtf

[astral current]

kezan is 658 so gonna get hero track i think

[lethal lynx]

In giga pulls do I just wanna send vanish to apply dots to as many mobs as possible?

🤔

[polar rampart]

i just use a myth signet and a heroic amp

[astral current]

they're there only because im lazy to vendor them

there's like huge void in my backpack that i sell items from

[red schooner]

I hold onto trinkets, JUST IN CASE

[viscid spear]

I still keep things from time to time

[astral current]

and everything near the edges is pretty much sitting there for a long time

[weary spear]

There’s a certain io curve in LFG that if you stay behind, the player pool is atrocious. Also usually the most toxic and blame everyone else

[topaz hare]

peforator is like not on the loot table right

[red schooner]

What if one of the trinkets gets buffed?

[coral ibex]

i still have my 639 skardyn from last season in my bag as a trophy

[topaz hare]

xD

[red schooner]

I NEED TO BE READY

Also some other crap that I should sell but haven't.

[viscid spear]

I also have three bracers, I just haven't simmed them

[astral current]

i think one of my alts got like 20 items from previous seasons so that's just pure laziness

something like seal of diurna

[viscid spear]

Check out my unhinged Warbound bank

[astral current]

main's inv looks like that

fucking small indie company
i get dc right after getting in game

[viscid spear]

That your regular bank?

[astral current]

that's my main char backpack

[topaz hare]

ngl i rarely ever use bank

[astral current]

same

[topaz hare]

its just there part of the game

[astral current]

only to toss gold between toons

and sometimes to save some warbound gear for my warrior hoping that one day RL will let me play it in raid

[astral current]

pretty organized i'd say

[topaz hare]

are we just some poor MF only using rank 2 Tempered potions? lfg i thought i was the only cheapscake

[viscid spear]

I could probably clean this up

[viscid spear]

I'm poor

[topaz hare]

anyone knows if we keeping bfa vision points into this new week?

[astral current]

i got ~200k in bank but saving it for crafts on alts

[topaz hare]

i got like 6k

[stuck knoll]

Rank 2 if I am doing keys (I will press on the first pull and then forget the rest of the dungeon)

[viscid spear]

Coalescing Visions?

[topaz hare]

ya

i got all that

even the whole talent tree unlocked

wondering if we keeping our progress

[viscid spear]

[topaz hare]

the ones used for the horrific visions

[viscid spear]

They'll have a new currency

[topaz hare]

idk if those are it

[viscid spear]

idk

The only currency I see that references Horrific Visions

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[viscid spear]

I have a bunch on alts, so I doubt this is it, and if it is then no way they let us keep it for the new round

[rancid haven]

is there a bug with logging cinderbrew?

did a 13 just now and it logged as trash

[west smelt]

It's just being accurate

[viral sage]

with the bleed build how many dots should you get out before going into spatter spam

[viscid spear]

Also I realized if EoK isn't that great and I have a Myth track ring then I don't have to worry about filling the Raid row of Vault

[rancid haven]

lmao, can it be bug with logging with raider.io tho?

[balmy condor]

I mean you’re keeping it, but you’re not going to be able to use it on the new visions

They never let you use old currency on new additions

Cause what’s the point of that

[topaz hare]

true true, might as well just reset it? whats the point of having them if we cant use it

like season 1 sparks xD

i mean mogs i guess

[viscid spear]

Is there something I could spend it on? I don't remember

[dusky valve]

i know embellishments are very minor, but my sims are saying double focusing lens is a bit better than what i have now. is it more of a sub embellishment? i think most of the people running it on like OAB are just sub swappers for the fight or something

[runic hinge]

how much is a bit

[dusky valve]

not enough to justify swapping but i'm bored and like wasting my gold on recrafts

[runic hinge]

play the game your way

[winged sun]

i cba

can

they

buff sin survivability

for once only

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-king-hide-peek-smile-gif-15802637

[runic hinge]

you can have more leeching poison

[clever sparrow]

should buy PSF boost?

these ppl are not inviting me

😭

[viscid spear]

PSF?

[clever sparrow]

priory of the sacred flame

[viscid spear]

Ah, you seek the Signet

[clever sparrow]

nope

I NEED RESILLLLL

GIV ME MY RESIL 😭

[viscid spear]

[clever sparrow]

i got signet before switching to assa

[viscid spear]

I'll switch your assa

[thorn thorn]

One heal

[clever sparrow]

to what?

[viscid spear]

[clever sparrow]

outlaw?